i dont understand this lets treat it as an equation oki
>femcels claiming guys only want quick sex and sexual pleasure instead of pure love/affection
>men here explictly saying wanting to seek out women to marry and fall in love with
well what is going on if x+y = 2 and x stands for 1 male wanting pure relationship and y 1 female wanting pure relationship why is it not 2

>>81610916 (OP)
The women are right and the men are lying. but they don't know they're lying, they think they're telling the truth.
You can tell the incels only care about sex because it's literally their identity. The core premise to their identity is their lack of sex and how other people aren't letting them have sex.

Incels are just angry and using the nice guy routine as a means to lure women into letting them smash. There you go, the entire thing is explained in a way that a 12 year old could comprehend.

>>81610954
are you sure anon?
the men here also say they want a long term relationship to seek out so where is the proof it is the men lying

>>81610916 (OP)
I've seen a good number of guys here say they just want sex but even apart from that

Many of the people in the incel community (male and female) have romanticized sex to be worth far more than it is. While it is true that a good intimate relationship will almost inevitably lead to sex these men and women have made sex in and of itself the goal rather than the relationship. These are lonely people who without realizing it will use other lonely people to fill a void within themselves and project their wants onto another person without truly seeing the other person for whom they are or working for the other party's fulfillment and actualization.

This is the main reason that the depressed autistic loner subculture has so many failed relationships in it. A lot of women can see this happening without being able to put words to it while a lot of guys can project this without realizing it and whilst still thinking that what they want is "true love" which leads to friction between the sexes.

>>81610916 (OP)
lol
lmao
autism

>>81610977
well said, anon
>hurt people hurt people

>>81610916 (OP)
It's because x is 0.5, y is 0.2, and the overlap between the men who want pure relationship and the men the 0.2 women would want a pure relationship with is not 100%.

>>81610916 (OP)
Fembots leave as soon as things get serious. I even proposed to one.

>>81610968
Did you not read what I said? Incels main identity is their lack of sex, which means the thing they care about is sex.
They aren't involuntary-lack-of-having-a-familyers, or anything like that.

No, they're involuntary celibates. Having sex would solve their problems. This is what THEY themselves say. Who are they mad at? They're mad at Chad, who has sex freely. Who are they jealous of? Chad for having sex freely.
They're not jealous of the Ben who got an average woman and has 2 kids.
Nope.

It's all about sex. Sex and sex only. Not family. That's a lie. A lie they tell women so they'll let them have sex. Then tehy won't be incels anymore and they can ditch that uggo because now they can go fuck stacylite.

>>81610977
even if 70% of guys here say they just want quick sex
30% of here want a long term relationship
and the 30% here would still be greater than the amount of women here who would also want a long term relationship meaning there should only be surplus of male but there are stil women here who cry about it
>>81611008
yep i thought so
>>81611022
and once again, where are you getting this information from??

>>81610998
Skindeed. It's one of the reasons I've avoided relationships since my divorce. I can't trust myself not to use someone else to fulfill my needs and project an image onto them that isn't them.

Life is Hell

>>81611036
>and once again, where are you getting this information from??
Where am I getting the information that self proclaimed incels identify as incels? What are you even asking?
I get it from the incels. you know, when they identify as incels.
Where am I getting the information that incels are butt mad about Chad?
FROM THE INCELS. THAT'S THE FOUNDATION OF THE BLACK PILL.

Like, what? Use your brain. Or your eyes.

>>81611071
as I said, the incels here want a foundation and not sex, they want a gf they can talk to and build emotional depth with and have intimacy with
I'm not gonna argue with someone who sounds sooo bitter and angry, it is silly

>>81611036
No where just shit they made up because they read what incelsnsay and take it to hard instead of what true channers actually think.

Forget about their words look at their actions if incels wanted sex so damn bad they can just get a prostitute it isn't hard. Hell many on here have before.

But most incels won't. Because why? They want getting sex entails. Sex is a finality a reward. But no one is rewarding you with sex unless you attract someone first. Until you show off something that makes the other person want to have sex with you. And most if not all incells cannot do this. But in true reductive fashion like everyone on this god damned website people will reduce everything down to base simple arguments. But when you look at what people actually do it's a different story.

For me I actually got a relationship I've had sex once only one tike ever and I don't complain about it anymore. Hell I don't even seek it out or care. I don't even chase after women because working thay hard for a few moments of thrusting is worthless. But waybill worth more is forming a lasting relationship that doesn't end in 3 months over stupid bullshit. When you find the real incels that are happy it's this. They found a partner and they are getting sex.

Now look at those that have to pay for sex. Are they happy? No most of them aren't. So clearly it isn't the fucking sex. It's everything that proceeds sex shows you are worth even receiving it

>>81610954
Yep, this. I had a Christian friend swear he'd wait for marriage and he was already deep into no fap (but struggling so multiple day 1's lol). Anyway he gets a girl and I find out recently they broke up. She says he was literally pulling off her pants while she was saying no, and she had multiple moments where he tried to force himself onto her, despite the whole "muh marriage shit." Believe what people do, and remember what they say. That way you can catch the lie and realize how evil some people really are.

>>81611071
incels aren't the foundation of the BP it was actually TFL black guys on YT that started it
>inb4 tfl and incels are the same
no they aren't they have different talking points and beliefs, nowadays i guess there's some overlap but the point still stands

>>81611092
That's what they say they want, yes. But it's a lie. I've already been over this. They have lied to themselves, and to everyone else in a weak attempt to get what they want.
If they wanted a girlfriend and emotional connections, why is their identity based solely around sex? Or, are you unable to comprehend how this undermines the very point you're trying to make?

Also, don't project your own anger onto me, thank you politely.

>>81611134
Where is the proof their identity is based solely around sex? incel identity is based on having no girlfriend or emotional connection with women. Prove it is a lie, prove everything you are saying, but you cannot. I am not the angry one, I am not insulting people.

>>81611158
Even if 70% of incels only want sex and 30% of incels want pure relationship, there is still significantly bigger margin in incels than femcels (1-10 ratio)
So if we had 100 incels and 10 femcels and 70 want sex and 30 want pure love there would still be surplus, and it's not even accounting for femcels that may also just want sex too, you cannot generalize incels

>>81610916 (OP)
women only want the top 10% of men. The bottom 90% of men literally don't exist to them. They're ghosts, they're not people, they don't count.

So "all men" are just "all men I want to sleep with".

However, the top 10% are fine sleeping with ~80% of women, most 9s will fuck 3s if they're kinky enough and will do enough for them and ask nothing in return. So, that's all they want, just sex and favors and offering nothing. Women are happy to do that because they want to sleep with the top 10%.

So, the bottom 90% of men want women to marry, and they can't find it, because 90% of women are sleeping with the top 10% of men, who are only using them for sex.

>>81611134
Because women are only capable of giving genuine love and affection to Chads and they never reject sex from them. From a man's perspective if women give you sex it means they love you and desire you.

>>81611198
so like the pareto principle sorta
but this makes sense

>>81611036
>70% of guys here say they just want quick sex
>30% of here want a long term relationship
>and the 30% here would still be greater than the amount of women here who would also want a long term relationship
1) You're ignoring what I said after the quick sex part

2) Imagine I tell you that there is a door in front of you. Behind this door is a 70% chance that some big sweaty redneck named Cletus was going to rape you until you couldn't walk any more.

BUT there is a 30% chance that a pgirl whom you have no idea what they look like or what part of the world they are from or what their personality quirks or mannerisms are might want to go on a date with you.

Would you open that door?

>>81611249
you forgot to add the part where the door has a window so you are able to tell who is there
I don't wanna argue anymore, this anon >>81611198 helped explain everything I needed to know

>>81611290
You have a massive confirmation bias in that you wish to believe that all women are bad and THAT'S why you can't get laid rather than understanding that the world isn't just scary and unfair to you, but to everyone.

Do shallow, useless women exist? Yes. But meeting some random fuck on 4chan and trying to start a life with him is stupid and any woman with a triple digit IQ will recognize that.

No, there is no window. If I wanted to I could spoof an email right now and make a fake Discord with a voice changer to dupe you out of your address so that I could come and fucking eat you. And you would fall for it too because you're lonely and desperate.

>>81611158
>Where is the proof their identity is based solely around sex?
What does incel mean?
>incel identity is based on
Having sex withheld from them. Incel means involuntary celibate. Which means they tried to have sex, but were refused by the other party.
Why is their identity centered around sex? Why do you refuse to acknowledge this point? Why do you try and obfuscate what incelism really stands for? Why do you try and hide the fact that the vast majority of incels really only care about sex, and they use the same exact strategy that Chad uses in promising to be there for her forever. But as soon as they get what they want, they bounce.
>I am not insulting people.
I didn't insult anyone. I merely said that incels are lying to themselves and to everyone else.

Are there some incels who genuinely only want a relationship? Most likely. But they are the minority. The vast minority. The majority of incels only care about sex. Or else they wouldn't self identify as incels. Because they wouldn't care about their own lack of sex.
This doesn't even take into account the incels who've had a gf and still not had sex.

>>81610954
It is quite literally the opposite
The incels want love while the femcels are only after guys that turn them on.

>>81611477
>It's actually the wiminz fault they're the bad ones!
nice mommy issue projection anonski
Child of a single mother much?

>>81611615
>It's always men's fault no matter what even if it was the woman doing the act.
How you know someone is from a single mother without even telling.

>>81610916 (OP)
Femcels arent real. Case closed

>>81611220
historically, the human genome shows that ~10-15% of men get to reproduce, while 80-85% of women reproduce.

>>81611290
Happy to help.

It's not women's fault. Evolution has forced them to always aim for the highest male for genetics. They are the reason why humanity has survived, because they cruelly would exclude the bottom % of men, and men would constantly compete for them. Humanity leveled up over time because only the top 10% of men kept reproducing over and over.

>>81611832
>They are the reason why humanity has survived, because they cruelly would exclude the bottom % of men, and men would constantly compete for them. Humanity leveled up over time because only the top 10% of men kept reproducing over and over
Redpill cuckolds actually believe this btw

>>81611844
I literally have six children and a pretty wife you fucking idiot

>>81610916 (OP)
>femcels: lie about what they want to appear socially/morally purist while secretly craving chad thundercock
>me an ugly NEET volcel: I just want to be left alone can you fucking normies stop projecting?

>>81611852
Then why are you on /r9k/?

>>81611852
What does that changes ?

>>81611852
>My personal experiences told on an image board is all the evidence you need incel. Listen to what I have to say.
shoopdy doopy

I regret skimming through this thread, some of the dumbest takes you could imagine on relationships.
Sex is part of a healthy relationship, a sexless relationship is a called a friendship, this is not up for debate.

>>81610916 (OP)
It's because I want a wife but girls here don't want me because I'm overweight and in my 30s and I can't financially support a lifestyle where they don't have to work a little too.

>>81611639
Except I didn't say it's exclusively men. I simply said incels are habitual self deceivers.

>>81611959
Abstaining from sex until marriage was the norm for a very long time until contraception, and it is still the norm among many religious communities. A courtship relationship is sexless but not platonic. Friendship is platonic, and nowadays, not always sexless.

>>81612040
>Abstaining from sex until marriage
Not hard when you marry at 16

>>81610916 (OP)
Moids outnumber foids on here, the foids who genuinely want a relationship with an incel and/or can make things work get snatched up quickly, leaving only those women who get drunk on attention and have no real interest in pursuing a relationship with a loser.

>>81612020
A lot of this doesn't stem from nothing. A lot of us have had some kind of negative experience/experiences at one point or another. Whether incels live in delulu land or not so do a shit ton of women and that isn't debatable.

>>81612080
Except they don't pursue anything. They take the orbiter egirl woe is me route to farm attention. They don't need a relationship nor want one. They just want free not strings attached attention even if it's from a bunch of losers.