The three qualities women find most important in men are safety, kindness, and financial security / stability. This is obviously for dating, but the ratio of women who are looking to hookup to men is way less than 1 to 10. If you look like chad, having 8/10+ looks as a man in the eyes of women, but you're a broke loser financially, most women are not going to be interested in you, period. Even if you're a strong and kind man with the personality women love, you are wholly lacking in the third most important characteristic women desire in a man, which is financial security, which is literally just money.

I have personally seen one beta male be successful with women seemingly only due to his wealth. There's no way he offers the other two things. He's unattractive to begin with, and he's a bit of a psycho, so that cancels out safety and kindness. He just has a rich daddy. He started being sexually successful in his teens, at least late teens, so it's possible it's not purely due to gold diggers.

Broke loser or low income chad could also have some success with women, but middle class women and wealthier are going to run away from him, unless they're old and ugly and want something like a trophy husband, but those women are super rare to begin with. Broke loser or low income chad will only see success with broke loser or low income women.

my bf and i are both upper middle class, it does feel more natural interacting with someone from my same socioeconomic background. being with a guy richer or poorer than me would make me feel bad for different reasons. we're also the same age. i think that's ideal.

>>81798765 (OP)
Didnt read, sorry yukari.
>scruffs your floofy hair

didnt read but trvthnvke

>>81798765 (OP)
Yeah but it makes sense. If a guy is broke with no future prospect, or his only prospect is low income; it's like why would I want to build my life with a loser?
Think of it like a fat woman, you may think she's ugly, but she's unattractive for more reasons than that. It shows she cannot control her desires in moderation, that she doesn't care for taking care of her health, etc.
Same with men who are bums. If you're a bum, more often than not you're going to be someone who is lazy, underachieving, never grew up or matured. It shows who you are as a person if you aren't doing something with your life.
Not only that, women have to pick someone to trust their life and future family with. This has to be a man who can provide financial stability for her and her kids.
You wouldn't want to pick an incompetent woman who can't clean, cook, or do a single thing to take care of another person to raise your future family with, right? You'd want a woman who would provide for your family. It's no different for a woman wanting a man who will provide for her family

>>81798797
I can see myself becoming wealthier in the future, getting a six figure income, but this will be 6 or more years in the future, and only 6 if I get lucky. I turned 25 last month. By the time I get this 6 figure income, I will not be wealthy. Wealth takes years to build up.

I would feel more comfortable dating a lower class girl, since we would have shared experiences and similar ways of thinking from growing up. The only issue is lower class girls tend to be less educated and less sophisticated, while upper class girls tend to be the most educated and more sophisticated. This isn't always true, though. I would prefer a girl who's lived her whole life in a low income setting, but it would be nice to have a smart girlfriend, especially if I wanted to start a family with her. She would likely have better genes and do a better job raising the children. I wouldn't want a girl whom I would view as having been a spoiled rich kid all her life.

>>81798949
you're operating on biases rather than real people. and 6 figs is not wealthy, that is middle class.

>>81798765 (OP)
I made 125k last year. I work in medicine, in a decade I'll be earning 250-300k.
I can't get a gf :(

Women want more than just financial security, safety, and kindness. They want a guy that passes the appearance barrier as well, which I don't.

>>81798899
>it's like why would I want to build my life with a loser?
Women who have money still only want men who make more than them, but theoretically, she could live with and start a family with a low income man with no built up wealth. It's just that women are programmed to want the men to be more financially successful than them. And it's about wealth. This requirement is already met by unemployed trust fund kids.
>Think of it like a fat woman, you may think she's ugly, but she's unattractive for more reasons than that. It shows she cannot control her desires in moderation, that she doesn't care for taking care of her health, etc.
Absolutely. Broke chad is attractive, but he might be poor due to something like mental illness. (Personally, I have OCD, and I can see myself getting 8/10 looks in the near future while still struggling with income.) People in general don't want to date someone with a mental illness, even though it's doable in most cases, but mental illness (NOT lack of intelligence) can often result in someone fundamentally not being able to get a middle or high income job unless they get lucky, even if they have more than enough intelligence and education for such a job.
>You wouldn't want to pick an incompetent woman who can't clean, cook, or do a single thing to take care of another person to raise your future family with, right?
There are men who do this. They are the sole earner in the household, and they do all the housework and cooking. Now, if they reproduce with such a woman, she will hopefully be putting in some work to take care of the children so the father won't go crazy, but even then, tons of men don't care. As long as she's sweet to them, they'll marry and reproduce with a bum. Some men, very depressingly, will even do it only for sex / sexual opportunity with her body, even if she's a witch.
>You'd want a woman who would provide for your family.
It is expected of the man to do this.

uueeeggghjhh depressing.

>>81798797
damn, you two actually made it. may you two have an everlasting relationship.

>>81799128
thanks, anon. i wish you a good bf too

>>81799037
>I made 125k last year. I work in medicine, in a decade I'll be earning 250-300k.
>I can't get a gf :(
How old are you, anon?
>Women want more than just financial security, safety, and kindness. They want a guy that passes the appearance barrier as well, which I don't.
Well, apparently, safety, kindness, and financial security / stability are the three most important characteristics women want in a man, but most of them are fundamentally not going to like you if you look like an ogre. Women also get the ick if you weird them out or give them the wrong vibes or display incompetence or whatever. Women still want a somewhat masculine man, that is, a man who is strong, but I believe too much masculinity can scare them away.

>>81798765 (OP)
If he has a rich daddy his success in teens was still due to money. He was able to afford things that many couldn't.

>>81799170
>How old are you, anon?
31
>Well, apparently, safety, kindness, and financial security / stability are the three most important characteristics women want in a man, but most of them are fundamentally not going to like you if you look like an ogre. Women also get the ick if you weird them out or give them the wrong vibes or display incompetence or whatever. Women still want a somewhat masculine man, that is, a man who is strong, but I believe too much masculinity can scare them away.
So rich, but not ugly. You can't give them the ick. You can't show weakness. Be masculine, but not too masculine.
It's a wonder anyone has a girlfriend at all.
I think all it comes down to is how handsome you are. The more handsome you are, the more you are perceived as masculine, the more you are perceived as competent, the more you are perceived to be safe and kind.

>>81798765 (OP)
the way you name your files is funny but i get why you do it it's just super autistic

>>81799226
you're not rich though, unless you live in turkey where 300k goes far. that's a middle class lifestyle

>>81799234
Yeah, that's fair. There's a difference between being comfortably middle class and having mansions.

>>81798994
>you're operating on biases rather than real people.
I fundamentally hate rich people. I could see myself dating a rich girl, assuming she wouldn't care that I'm poor, but she would have to be all over me for some reason, like obsessed with me. That would actually feel pretty nice. She could be a bit crazy, as long as she's super sweet to me. The quality of life change would be greatly appreciated. Rich people tend to be super careful when it comes to dating and marriage, though, unless they're retarded trust fund kids.
>and 6 figs is not wealthy, that is middle class.
You are absolutely correct. At what point are you actually upper middle class? When you make more than $150,000 or $200,000? Class has to do with wealth, though, so you could be making $60,000 a year and be upper middle class in your 20s due to having inherited $3,000,000 or so.

>>81799226
>The more handsome you are, the more you are perceived as masculine
Men with very masculine faces are rated as less attractive to women, possibly because they look intimidating. If you have a hyper masculine face, you look a bit like a wild beast who can't be sweet.
>the more you are perceived as competent, the more you are perceived to be safe and kind.
Women care more about non-physical characteristics than men do, but a lot of the way you look can reflect your mental health, personality, and financial success. Men are hyper visual, while women are very or mostly visual.

>>81799259
social classes don't typically go by individual incomes, they go by the family unit, or HHI. upper middle class families typically have at least 1 working parent unless they're old enough to be retired, and their HHI tends to be in the range of 500k-1.5mil/yr. beyond that point, lifestyle can be sustainably different, but true upper class is in mid-8 to 9 figure net worth territory where the family unit are investors and only work a career for leisure and fulfillment, if at all.

>>81799330
What does HHI stand for?

>>81799356
household income. which is obscured for true upper class, because their money doesn't come from wages. it is held in ownership of investments and businesses.

>>81799118
>Women who have money still only want men who make more than them
Yeah I make way more money than my boyfriend, but I still want him to get a job and make an income I'd consider ideal for our future family. Once I have kids, it's not ideal for me to continue working and have someone else do all the nurturing, due to the impact of separation on both the child and mother.
Those women could be in the same boat, or wanting someone to help maintain their luxurious life style.

>mental illness can often result in someone fundamentally not being able to get a middle or high income job
I mean you said it right there, people in general don't want to date someone with mental illness. Like I get that it sucks you have OCD, but if you can't provide for your family more than living in a trailer park, then it's like tough break man. You can either do all you can to thug mental illness out or you can't.

>There are men who do this. tons of men don't care. As long as she's sweet to them
Yes, foolish and desperate men and women exist; but I thought we were talking about the majorities, not exceptions?

>It is expected of the man to do this.
Just as it is expected of women to do this. If you spend a lot of time online, you may see women being poor wives, but in the real world, such behavior is shamed upon. Though responsibilities of wives are being lessened due to it being very common for the woman to work as well.


But let me understand your point. Are you saying women are evil, selfish, or shallow for wanting a man to provide? or perhaps that you think a greed for money is some primal instinct in women?

>>81799401
>due to the impact of separation on both the child and mother.
I'm not sure about this. It might have some mental impact, but your boyfriend could do all the nurturing. I grew up in a household where the woman was very antisocial and abusive, verbally, emotionally, and physically. I essentially grew up to not like girls and women. I even didn't like female animals.
>You can either do all you can to thug mental illness out or you can't.
Is thug the right word here? I've made incremental improvements over the years (I turned 25 last month.), but I'm still virtually unemployed and even carless. Getting a driver license is my next big goal that I hope to achieve within the next three months to be realistic. The insomnia I have that is caused by OCD has essentially screwed me over since I graduated from online high school when I was 17. This has also greatly improved, but I still can't maintain any sort of schedule because of it, so I can't work any A time to B time job. I was surprisingly good at tech related stuff and I even knew a bit of programming in my late teens, and I was ambitiously studying for CompTIA and Cisco tech certificates, but I realized I wouldn't be able to get a job with these, anyway. I studied computer science at college for a couple semesters after this. Covid really screwed me over mentally, but I plan on going back to college for mechanical engineering this year, hoping to get a job that would work with my insomnia. I still need to make some changes so that I could actually study properly for it, but I already have a lot of this general STEM knowledge. I even self taught math through calc 2 during covid in just a couple months, going through all the problems in the text book, but then burned out. It's super hard to make changes when you've got OCD. You really don't want to go outside of your comfort zone.
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>>81799401
>Are you saying women are evil, selfish, or shallow for wanting a man to provide?
No. It is instinct. Women can be sweet, but you must meet certain requirements for them to even consider you or want to stay with you, and these requirements can be very difficult for a lot of men to achieve and maintain, like guys like me with OCD.
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>>81799564
men with OCD can't be good partners. your misfortune isn't women's burden to bear and no one will sacrifice a happy future to struggle with you

>>81799590
C'mon girl, you don't speak for all of womankind. He can find a woman.

>>81799636
he can dupe a likewise mentally ill woman into dating him while on his best behavior, yes. will it last? no.

>>81799118
How old art thou?

>>81799651
Yes, there are mentally ill women and plenty of them.

>>81799694
and that mentally ill woman will inevitably leave him when she has to deal with the reality of his illness beyond a quirky meme label of a guy she talks to sometimes, if he doesn't leave her first when she doesn't behave how he wants her to.

>>81799651
You have a boyfriend, right? Then fuck off, normalfag

>>81799715
hostility towards anyone who doesn't put up with your bad behavior is another reason you will remain alone

>>81799732
Ok? You're still not welcome, go suck a dick

>>81799746
if throwing tantrums doesn't work, why do you still do it?

>>81798765 (OP)
>tfw have good and stable income (union) and can't even get a date

>>81799651
>>81799694
>he can dupe a likewise mentally ill woman into dating him
One of my current plants is to work really hard to self improve, hopefully earning an income of around $80,000 by the time I'm in my early 30s (I'm 25, and it could take even longer than this. OCD sucks.), and getting a loser girlfriend. My idea would be that she's a druggie, even if she's just a pot smoker, and that she would have some form of mental illness (substance use disorder is technically a mental illness itself). She would also have to be from a poor background. She could still be cute and hot while being like this. I would just want someone who would be sweet to me and interested in reproducing with me. Still, the fucked up thing is that I would have to, relative to my perspective with OCD, massively self improve to make this an even somewhat realistic scenario.
>>81799661
>How old art thou?
I turned 25 last month.
>>81799712
>if he doesn't leave her first when she doesn't behave how he wants her to.
One of the rough things is that my intelligent and understanding dad is the only person I know of whom I can live with without going insane due to not doing anything that irritates my OCD. I've gotten much better over the years, but I'm still pretty fucked. Hypothetically, a woman who would live with me would need to be somewhat intelligent to begin with to know what she shouldn't do in the household to irritate me to an unusual degree. She would have to never wake me up when I'm sleeping, including not cooking or even warming up anything when I'm sleeping, and I'm sleeping at random hours due to the insomnia caused by my OCD. I really doubt I would even be able to sleep in the same room as her. She could easily irritate me to an unusual degree with household things that would perplex most people why someone would get so upset over, and this would make a lot of women run away. She would possibly have to have low self esteem or be obsessed with me to want to stay with me.

>>81798765 (OP)
That's their criteria for simps to use

>>81799758
You're ruining the board and you know this

>>81799767
Post more gup images

>>81799767
there is a woman like that on crystal cafe who has been posting about her OCD husband for years. she was obsessed with having a nippon man candy and was willing to overlook his flaws, even when he became abusive. years later and she's still stuck in the same loop of leaving and then coming back (due to a combination of being trapped in a foreign country with low wages, low self-esteem, and longing for a time before he got much worse) when he threatens to kill himself or says he will change, then goes exactly back to how he is, because he can't change. if you want to abuse some woman into staying with you, you can try. but she will leave eventually, and you will be remembered as her abusive crazy ex. trying to talk any woman into following your OCD rules sounds insane to an outside observer. i really don't think anyone will put up with that unless they are too poor to leave you without being homeless and are also possibly disabled and unable to work their way out of it as the woman i described. and no, a woman in that situation will not be cute or hot if she is medically disabled.

>>81799767
Get a non-committal girlfriend and visit her place? I know it's hard to get but seems like the only option for you.

>>81799861
>i really don't think anyone will put up with that unless they are too poor to leave you without being homeless
I wouldn't want to abuse any woman, and that would make me feel horrible, since I would feel so ashamed and guilty. (OCD is known for lots of shame, and lots of guilt can follow.) My idea would be that the girl would be mentally ill herself, which I would put up with while financially helping her out and letting her stay at my nice place, but she would also need to be from a poor family. The thing that really sucks for me is that this scenario would require me to have built up some wealth somehow, which is very difficult to do when you have OCD. I haven't even been able to get a job so far, and I turned 25 last month. It's not an issue of filling out job applications, I just can't follow a schedule. I can't work an A time to B time job, and this is almost every job, especially jobs that don't require you to have a lot of skill and education. I plan on getting a driver license within the next three months and going back to college this year for mechanical engineering. I don't have to attend all the classes to get decent grades and pass. I could read the text book, watch tons of videos, and get help from AI, along with tutors I can meet any time I want when the AI can't help me.
>trying to talk any woman into following your OCD rules sounds insane to an outside observer.
Are you a woman yourself? I've been thinking about this morbidly obese (on the lower end, but still medically morbidly obese) woman I met in late 2022 who was likely in her late 40s. She was really interested in me, and told me she has a really nice place out in the country where we could hang out and shoot guns together. For around the past couple years, I've been thinking that such a woman would be the only surefire thing that could save me. Even if I wouldn't really love her, I could play the role of her boyfriend and live in her house and have her take care of me financially.

>>81799942
>Get a non-committal girlfriend and visit her place?
What do you mean by this?
>I know it's hard to get but seems like the only option for you.
Thank you for being understanding.

>>81800023
yes, i'm >>81798797. i think you have a better chance with medication and therapy to change how you deal with the world then finding a woman undesirable enough to be with you. even obese and unattractive women won't want to live that sort of life on eggshells. and if she's independent, i don't think she'd want to support you endlessly while you enforce these rules on her. short term you might get away with it, but i don't see why you would aim for that rather than focusing on overcoming your own issues to a manageable degree.

>>81799544
>It might have some mental impact
It definitely has an impact on the mental well-well being the development of the child.
My boyfriend wanted to study for a job that isn't profitable. That, it made me want to pursue a job that is high earning; so he can study what he wants and be happy. Life goes on, he ends up realizing he doesn't wish to continue on in that field. I do enough research and realize what a big deal it is for the child to have the mother be present in early development. So I plan on working until 29-31, and starting a family then (or earlier if we both agree on it) and in the meantime over the next few years, I want him to figure out what career he wishes to pursue, and to work towards it.

>I've made incremental improvements
Then yeah you are thugging it out, good job man, if you aren't already, you should be proud of yourself. If you've got potential to make good income, then you should be fine. That's the mark as a good provider, so a good life partner.

>Women can be sweet, but you must meet certain requirements
Idk man I feel like that could be said about anyone, not just women. I've had depression all my life, my boyfriend was understanding until I started being more involved in his life, like staying at his place for a few days at a time. He saw I was incapable of taking care of myself, I couldn't manage to cook, to clean, to leave the bed, to take care of myself, to do anything at all; his understanding ran thin. He said I can either get ahold of my mental illness, or he's leaving because as much as he loves me, he can't have a future with someone who is incapable of even taking care of herself. It was a requirement for him, he saw someone who couldn't provide.
I thugged it out, I got a grip of my life and my issues.

It's pretty universal to have requirements, especially ones that relate to what you provide in a relationship. And it's a pretty universal struggle that these requirements are difficult to achieve and maintain.

>>81800046
>i think you have a better chance with medication and therapy
I already take several prescription drugs for sleep. I also plan on trying antidepressants for OCD. I recently learned that the dose they give for people with OCD is several times higher than what is given to people with depression. I've watched a few videos, and I will try working with my obsessions and compulsions by myself. I've gradually gotten better over the years, but the insomnia is never going away, even if it gets better in some aspects.
>>81800143
>That, it made me want to pursue a job that is high earning; so he can study what he wants and be happy.
Kek. I would feel ashamed as a man, but it would be really nice to have a girlfriend who is essentially the provider. I would just feel guilty doing some bs where I do what I want while I try to make my girlfriend or wife go out of her comfort zone to do something to start earning a higher income. I could do housework, like cleaning and organizing, DIY repairs, laundry, cooking (my dad is a chef), and so on, but this isn't really much.
>So I plan on working until 29-31, and starting a family then (or earlier if we both agree on it) and in the meantime over the next few years, I want him to figure out what career he wishes to pursue, and to work towards it.
How old are you two?
>Then yeah you are thugging it out, good job man, if you aren't already, you should be proud of yourself. If you've got potential to make good income, then you should be fine. That's the mark as a good provider, so a good life partner.
Thank you so much.
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>>81798765 (OP)
>What does JMM mean?
>Justice Matters Most
>If you want to be a friend to the womancartel you better change it to MMM
>Money Matters Most

>>81800143
>>81800337
>He saw I was incapable of taking care of myself, I couldn't manage to cook, to clean, to leave the bed, to take care of myself, to do anything at all
You're like this, but you can handle a job, and you earn more than your boyfriend? Does your boyfriend even have a job? I, too, am typically very depressed and often have issues doing these things. Acquiring discipline over the years, especially the last year and a half, has helped immensely.
>He saw I was incapable of taking care of myself
>his understanding ran thin. He said I can either get ahold of my mental illness, or he's leaving because as much as he loves me, he can't have a future with someone who is incapable of even taking care of herself.
If you're the one bringing home income, then I would absolutely do whatever it takes to make you happy at home. I would do my best to be as sweet and caring as possible at home and do all the housework and cook really good food for you.

I live with my boomer dad in the US, and although I have distant family in Poland, I'm pretty much stuck here, and if something happens to my dad, I have nowhere to go. I do receive NEETbucks, but I have been unsuccessful in getting any Section 8 voucher, and the wait period is three years. If he passed, I would need somewhere else to stay, since I wouldn't be able to pay rent and pay for my food. Moving in with a woman who would make enough for the two of us would be ideal.
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This is why I love having a well paid job. Even though I am an older guy it's easy to find zoomer girls who will be happy to be my sugar baby. Why wouldn't they be, they get fun luxury and gifts in exchange for their company.

>>81800143
>>81800337
>He saw I was incapable of taking care of myself, I couldn't manage to cook, to clean, to leave the bed, to take care of myself, to do anything at all
You're like this, but you can handle a job, and you earn more than your boyfriend? Does your boyfriend even have a job? I, too, am typically very depressed and often have issues doing these things. Acquiring discipline over the years, especially the last year and a half, has helped immensely. Discipline is pretty much the only solution when you've got OCD. Therapy surrounding OCD is centered around getting the person more disciplined.
>He saw I was incapable of taking care of myself
>his understanding ran thin. He said I can either get ahold of my mental illness, or he's leaving because as much as he loves me, he can't have a future with someone who is incapable of even taking care of herself.
If you're the one bringing home income, then I would absolutely do whatever it takes to make you happy at home. I would do my best to be as sweet and caring as possible at home and do all the housework and cook really good food for you.

I live with my boomer dad in the US, and although I have distant family in Poland, I'm pretty much stuck here, and if something happens to my dad, I have nowhere to go. I do receive NEETbucks, but I have been unsuccessful in getting any Section 8 voucher, and the wait period is three years. If he passed, I would need somewhere else to stay, since I wouldn't be able to pay rent and pay for my food. Moving in with a woman who would make enough for the two of us would be ideal.
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>>81798765 (OP)
>but the ratio of women who are looking to hookup to men is way less than 1 to 10.
in favour of those who want to hook up?
because why TF else are more than 9 out of 10 single early 20's chicks on dating apps not virgins, but instead have a large (5+) bodycount and constantly hop from one chad to the next?
Hookup culture isn't about people SAYING they wanna hook up, (though that too) but people actually hooking up. And while probably even the majority of women CLAIM they want a true romantic long term relationship like in their booktok dark-romance novels, in the end they still go to clubs or bars or ""traveling"" / ""backpacking"" or do other normie activities to get pumped and dumped by chad. (and then cry on social media that all men are assholes after throwing back on the first date without hesitation just a while ago)
Oh and btw, if you ever read that a girl likes "solo traveling" in a dating app bio, you can just mentally replace that with "I wanna try all kinds of exotic cocks around the world ;)" its ALWAYS like that.

Rookie mistake, you have to look at what women do, not listen to what they say.

>>81800337
>I would just feel guilty doing some bs
It wasn't bs, it was something in the historical field. Important stuff, but not lucrative. But I get what you mean, it's if you were in that situation. It just gives me reason in life if I'm useful, it's what helps me from feeling suicidal. If I can provide for the one I love so he doesn't have to stress over it and be unable to afford things he wants in life, I can think of no greater reason to stay alive.
>How old are you two?
22, we're a few months apart
>you can handle a job
I couldn't handle a job back then, I could barely manage to attend uni; I had to drop out of a lot of courses due to depressive episodes where I just wouldn't leave the house.
>you earn more than your boyfriend?
I'm in an entry level position for my field, but it makes far more than any job he could get at this time.
>Does your boyfriend even have a job?
Somewhat, he works for family. It was recently that he realized he didn't want to pursue his field anymore, so he's kind of at a standstill for what to do in life.
>Discipline is pretty much the only solution
I'd say it applies to a lot of mental illnesses. I can have good discipline when it comes to things relating to my boyfriend, but when it's helping myself, that's where I struggle. If I don't have to get out of bed for anything relating to him, I find it near impossible to get out of bed, or do anything for that matter. It's just something I've got to slowly chip away at, becoming disciplined for myself.
>If you're the one bringing home income
I wasn't at the time, we were both in uni, living at our parent's home; so his reaction was more than understandable.
>distant family in Poland
It's wild you say that because he's from there

I don't have much I can say other than to keep working at getting a job. Woman or not, you're going to need to take care of yourself one day. I wish you all the luck

>>81800533
>22, we're a few months apart
Well, you're living on your own with him, right? I'm 25, and I've hopelessly been living with my dad since I was 17. We've moved a total of four times since then. I feel like a child for having gone this long without having gotten a driver license, a job (other than having helped my dad his new job a few times), or even a girlfriend, and I feel terrible because of it. So much of my life just lost like that.

I've made several frustrated attempts at finding a way to make money, but I haven't been able to find anything. Since I was a teen, I've been recommended to learn something related to programming, but I never really pursued this, figuring it would take a massive effort to learn, and I remember getting pissed on stack overflow whenever my questions were removed. I have learned a lot of programming, linux, and general tech stuff, both software and hardware, though. Remember, I can't get any normal job due to my insomnia caused by OCD. At least I've had NEETbucks since 21.

I'm not a virgin, but that's only because I very regrettably had sex with an escort on my 18th birthday, and she was likely in her late 40s, morbidly obese, and just ugly. I had sex with another much more attractive escort the next day, though. She was skinny, and her pussy was tight, but I only had sex with her for around five minutes. This was seven years ago. I did make out with a 24-year-old woman when I was 15, though, and I've had several girls show interest in me in high school, including one really hot athlete girl, and even a couple women randomly at the gym recently. I never asked out any of those girls in high school due to retarded anxiety OCD justifications, like if something went wrong with the relationship, being around them at school would be awkward, and because I couldn't have a girlfriend due to not having a car, even though there were a few places within walking distance I could've asked them out to, but I thought it would be awkward.

>>81800459
>but instead have a large (5+) bodycount and constantly hop from one chad to the next?
It is statistically proven that women both lose their virginities at a younger age and have much larger body counts at any given age than their male counterparts. Over 2/3rds of young men are single while less than 1/3rd of young women are single.

There are around 10 times as many men who use dating / hookup apps than women. It's very easy for women to get chad cock via those dating apps. This is why I believe it's easier to get women irl than through one of those apps if you're not chad. Men are hypervisual, while women are just very or mostly visual, but on those apps, women are hypervisual.

>>81798765 (OP)
Correct but all the things you mentioned are for marriage not dating I am 21 broke as fuck with like $2k in savings uni student and I have picked up tons of women/gf at uni psych ward random places only thing that matters for dating is social skills and the usual dating shit

But yeah for marriage and LTRs it's more complicated because y'know...they want to be able to envision a future with you. You can still get into a relationship while broke af and keep them hostage for years since love is strong but yeah it will be tough

>>81801126
>I am 21 broke as fuck with like $2k in savings uni student and I have picked up tons of women/gf at uni psych ward random places
This is too much for me. Had I not regrettably had sex with a couple escorts one day after each other after turning 18, I would still be a virgin today at 25. The older you get, the faster time flies by, and it really shocks you. Even if I got laid, I would still feel terrible for all those sexless years. My self esteem is forever damaged by this fact. I did get to make out with a 24-year-old woman when I was 15, though, and I am grateful for this experience. I really wish I lost my virginity to her. Also, what do you mean by psych ward? Were you picking up crazy girls or were you picking up the girls working / studying there?

>>81798765 (OP)

This is true for women 30+, but most women in their prime go for looks. Money helps but if you're fat and don't look good, you can be rich and they won't care.

>>81799226

Wait till you're making 350k, that will actually impress women. 125k isn't rich enough if you don't have other qualities.

>>81798765 (OP)
I worked as streamer/youtuber and had real RICH men court me. Dropping like 10 000$ on me in a week for my attention. Asking to fly me out and shit like that.

Never cared because I was dating my soulmate. He didn't have a job at the time but supported me.

>>81798765 (OP)
I agree, but how much money you have doesn't even matter, because women only look at the surface-level. You have to look rich, not necessarily be rich. I'm richer than most people my age in my country but that's through spending discipline, which means I don't appear rich, as I don't waste money on useless asesthetic stuff.
I know dudes who makes the same money as me but they're in massive debt and live paycheck-to-paycheck. Still, if you only look at the cars they drive, the clothes they wear, their watches and their iPhones...you'd think they're clearly richer than me.
I dunno but I prefer to actually be rich and invest my way into retiring early, not look rich while wondering if my paycheck is going to be enough to pay my bills.

>>81799233
hi anon
i should really watch madoka magica

>>81800032
Like a woman that doesn't want to live with you.

>>81802953
So I would just be visiting her place instead of moving in with her? I could have a woman come over to my place and move stuff around and touch whatever she wants. Problems arise around sleep. That's when shit not being the way I want has the potential to bother me. I also wouldn't want her to wake me up.

>>81802997
Yea, like have day dates and live separate.

>>81801234
>Even if I got laid, I would still feel terrible for all those sexless years.
Have you ever considered getting therapy for this? Like you will never be able to fuck 20 year olds in your prime trust me though its a fucking pain and overrated since they are still mentally children and annoying as fuck at that age. But yeah you probably just blabbed out loud the core of your insecurity, you gotta fix that before you can be happy or resign yourself to getting a gold digging Ukrainian or Filipino wife.
>Were you picking up crazy girls or were you picking up the girls working / studying there?
The former obviously since its a serious fucking crime for women there to consort with the men there though I did have some convos with them but if I ever asked for their number I would probably get in serious fucking trouble but if I did it every single time for like all of the 100 nurses I saw in those 2 weeks on rotation I might get one or two especially if I cooked up a crazy excuse...the nurse working the psych ward are just as mentally ill as the patients lol they are fucking traumatized probably the worst job ever shit pay too only people who work there are people who have a self-esteem hole and want to contribute to society and prove to themselves and shieeeet I remember reading that nurses at mental health institutions or as prison guards/army have a x3 rate of diagnosed BPD than normal people makes sense since a girl I met there that I talk to is a Veterinarian they gravitate towards these selfless nursing caring jobs if a girl tells you she's a paramedic/ER nurse/psych ward nurse run the fuck away unless you love crazy chicks they are really good in bed I hear...

>>81803109
Alright. I'm getting a bit excited. I've decided I'm going to go on another massive cut to lose around 60 pounds of fat, and I hope my chances will increase. I've already had one cute girl approach me in the gym in the past couple months, but I was being dumb and didn't get her number. I didn't realize that she came up with some stupid excuse to talk to me, trying to tell me I'm hurting my back from the way I'm sitting on a machine. I've never had a girlfriend before, and I turned 25 last month.