When it comes to short term dating / hooking up, men typically have to settle for whatever they can get. If you want casual sex with 5/10+ women on a somewhat regular basis, you pretty much have to be an 8/10+, possibly 7/10 if you're lucky, chad. It's the opposite for dating / long term dating. Women typically have to settle for what they can get, while men try to get the best woman they can get. So ideally, the man and the woman get their looksmatch, ignoring things like one partner potentially having a disgustingly large amount of money.

For short term dating / hooking up, looks is pretty much all that matters. As a man, you'll work towards maximizing your looks, getting lean and jacked. For dating / long term dating, not being mentally ill and having money matter way more. The neurotypical man with a lot of wealth is going to have way more success here, and the broke and mentally ill man is going to have the least. Both short term and long term dating are unfair, but I believe it's easier for men to improve on their looks to achieve 7/10+ looks than it is to drastically improve on mental illness and become wealthy. It's easier for the average man to improve his short term dating success than it is for the average man to improve his long term dating success.

Chad pretty much always gets all the girls, but tons of women will be unavailable to you for long term dating if you're poor, and tons of women will break up with you if they don't want to put up with your mental illness. Success in long term dating is almost necessary for reproduction, unless you knock up a crazy or low-IQ girl.

>>81876155 (OP)
yeah men dont have a timer on them and most normal dudes arent desperate for female attention. if hes not willing to show you his family youre just a casual fuck to him

>>81876184
>yeah men dont have a timer on them
Around the age of 45 or 50, most women start preferring men who are younger than them. For casual sex, women don't really hit the wall until 45, but the same appears true for men. I'm a 25-year-old dude, and I'd still fuck a few women in their 50s. When I was younger, like middle school and high school, I was disgusted at the thought of having sex with women in their 40s or older. I still found a few women in their 30s to be hot, though. For long term dating, especially when considering reproduction, women do lose a lot more SMV with age relative to men. I actually have a preference for older women. I've been an incel all this time, but I would love to have a girlfriend in her 30s.

>>81876283
this implies men are only fucking women their own age lmao. Most young chicks are into older men than them. a 40 year old guy could easily date a 20 or 30 year old girl a 50 year old could date a 30 or 40 easily as well

>>81876310
>Most young chicks are into older men than them.
I have OCD, and I'm a loser financially. I receive NEETbucks, but I can't hold a job, other than occasionally helping my dad at his job (He doesn't work every day.), and the NEETbucks totals to around $1250 per month, so this is very income, which is kryptonite for any long term dating with most women. I have insomnia caused by OCD that keeps me from being able to hold any schedule. I can't work a 9 to 5 or any A time to B time job, which is pretty much every job that doesn't require you to have any special skills and most jobs that do.

I've had one anon on here tell me that he had a younger woman, I believe college-aged, essentially simping for him to be her boyfriend. She was very obese, so I'm guessing she thought she would need to pay to have a better looking boyfriend. She was paying for dates and buying him things.

I've been learning how to cook from my dad who's a chef. (I work with him in the kitchen.) I could offer a woman to do all the house chores, including cooking, and essentially offer her myself for sex. (This sounds super fucked up, and I'm certain it will turn off a lot of women, so I would never mention it irl with a woman, but I'm pretty sure women find value in the body of a man.)

My dad is a boomer, and I financially depend on him, but there is no money in my immediate family (I have distant family in Poland, but I'm based in the US.), and aside from potentially living at my mom's (Likely without my own room or privacy, and my OCD would go nuts.), I'm really fucked if something happened to my dad.
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>>81876310
>>81876798
My long term plan is to improve my looks until I'm a 7 or 8/10. (All I really need to do is lose around 60 pounds of fat. I'm already jacked and on steroids. I'm relatively close to achieving this goal. I'll likely get there in a year or year and a half, and I turned 25 last month. I'm 5'11, and I hope this doesn't really harm my SMV.) Once I get good looks, I'll look for a wealthier woman who has a place to stay. She does NOT have to be rich. I just need financial security. She could be making around $60,000. I would be bringing home my NEETbucks, which is around $15,000. I would literally be a bum, but I would still be contributing financially a little bit. For a large discrepancy in earning, I figure I would need to look for a woman who's between a 3 to 5/10. I would probably be lucky if I found a 6/10 who would be interested in me in my low income state.

Also, I'm really ashamed of all this, and I feel as though having these ideas is really messed up. I've essentially lived as a parasite to my dad since I was 17, and I feel really guilty about this. I hope I would be offering the woman enough in everything else for her to be happy.

Let me know if you think this idea is unrealistic. For my OCD and insomnia ass, this actually seems more realistic than my other plan, which is to go back to college to study engineering to get a degree that would likely offer me a flexible job that would allow me to get around my insomnia. (I've done plenty of DIY projects and studied a lot of STEM, especially math, on my own, so I would actually have fun studying engineering.) The problem with this is that there's no guarantee I would find such a job, and I would have to send out so many job applications, and in the job interview, I would have to tell the interviewer that I require this level of flexibility. Oddly enough, I find actually studying for and getting the degree much easier by comparison. I feel like the actual job would be more stressful.
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>>81876798
>>81877021
I would love some input from fembots. Is my idea stupid? I turned 25 last month, and I've been an incel all this time, and I have low self esteem. I feel like I can't be successful with women, yet I see and hear of plenty of cases of even below average men being successful with women.