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See >>>/co/149549710 >>>/co/149549936 >>>/co/149549976

Nearly everyone the Mexica of the Aztec capital interacted were city-states, kingdoms, or empires, not "tribes". The Mexica also didn't do genocide unless you specific cities being razed as a genocide (and they typically didn't even raze stuff, since...): The main goal in their expansionism was to conquer subjects to pay economic goods as taxes without needing to work for it: A genocided populace can't farm cacao or pan for gold.

And in general, while the Mexica were definitely warmongering conquerors, they were loose with their rule and usually left conquered states to self manage. Cortes got most of the allies he did was because that system left subjects with their own interests and agency, which in turn enabled opportunistic defection: it's not that the Mexica were exceptionally bad or hated (remember EVERYBODY in Mesoamerica did sacrifices, so that's not something they'd be resented for), it's that after Tenochtitlan was struck by smallpox etc, some states felt they had more to gain and less to lose by turning on it to gain/retain their status within the new Spanish/Tlaxcalteca regime they'd help prop up (though Tlaxcala specifically DID hate the Mexica)

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>>213083967
I don't mind if you think the Mexica were evil, if you do so based on an accurate assessment of what they were actually like (EX: see above re: their rule of conquered subjects), but I find it ironic that people post stuff like this when Spanish Conquistadors and Catholic Friars themselves praised Aztec cities (see pic), art, architecture, ethics, systems of law, etc all the time and sometimes explicitly said that much of that was worth preserving and respecting.

See all the quotes I posted across these: >>>/v/716322542 >>>/v/716324741 >>>/v/716325865 >>>/v/716326547 >>>/v/716327371 >>>/v/716328771 >>>/v/716329637 >>>/v/716330829

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>>716292501
Define "weren't that bad"

The Mexica of Tenochtitlan were expansionistic conquerors who made military campaigns a key part of their economic and political authority and masculine ideal. They also sacrificed 100s to 1000s people a year, and they were pretty classist and executed people for relatively minor crimes

But they also weren't a bloodthirsty dystopia: Most people went about their day eating meals with family, working in farms or workshops, visiting markets, and playing/betting on games. You had merchants, artists, diplomats, doctors etc. There was a formal judicial system with courts and judges. There were aqueducts, bathes, and toilets. Nobles valued poetry, public speaking and botanical sciences, and they mostly left the places they conquered to still self-rule

Again, as stated in >>716291573 and >>716289940, even the Spanish repeatedly praised their cities (pic), art, architecture, social order, laws, ethics, and intellect

IMO they're comparable but not exceptionally worse to other expansionistic military empires in history, and/or ones that did a lot of holy wars or religious killings

The mongols aren't my area but based on my high school taught knowledge of them: Both they and the Mexica are kinda similar in they'd both stroll up and go "become our subject and pay up or else" (tho there's subject vs vassal nuances I'm skipping over here for the Mexica) and if you did, you got left alone to mostly self manage, but 1. My impression is the Mexica weren't AS hands off as the Mongols even if they still mostly were and 2. the Mongols afaik almost always razed cities who refused while the Mexica only infrequently did, just invading to then force them to submit but still being hands off after, they actually often had to re-conquer cities multiple times since their loose rule meant a subject could just secede every once in a while until the Mexica put their foot down

>>716293948
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>>149363700
If you want more Mesoamerican suggestions, my friend I mentioned has a big media list here:

https://x.com/Majora__Z/status/1779068465631904240

>>149365164
If you're talking about the owner of Cartoon Universe/who is narrating, that's not who I was talking about there, I meant MajoraZ as linked above who helped her with the video and in turn I also did a bit indirectly

>>149365468
The Inca aren't Mesoamerica: They're an Andean civilization, like Caral, the Chavin, Nazca, Paracas, Moche, Wari, Tiwanku, Sican, Chimu, etc, who are all in Peru and bits of Bolivia and Ecuador. Mesoamerican civilizations like the Aztec, Maya, Olmec, Zapotec, Teotihuacan, Mixtec, Purepecha etc are in Mexico, Guatemala, and Belize, primarily. There's like 4000 kilometers seperating the Aztec and Inca capitals, as much distance between the Aztec capital and Canada, or the West and East US coasts, or London in the UK and Baghdad in Iran.

That said, my favorite Mesoamerican civilizations are Teotihuacanos and Aztec, because Teotihuacan and Tenochtitlan are just really fucking sick cities and I like the architectural style they mostly share a lot (The Aztec actually excavated ruins at Teotihuacan and intentionally made a kind of Teotihuacano revival style in their art and architecture as a result)

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>>149366185
You just need to see good recontructions, for example the Gentling's art of Aztec cityscapes, see pic, which I alluded to in >>149360083