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7/24/2025, 2:14:04 AM
7/18/2025, 10:18:25 PM
>>64000695
It’s hard to imagine Apollo’s 1969 lunar landing happening on schedule without the former Peenemünde engineers brought to the U.S. under Operation Paperclip—here’s why:
1. **Saturn V Development**
* Wernher von Braun’s team of \~120–130 German engineers at Redstone Arsenal formed the nucleus of what became NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center and led the design of the Saturn V rocket.
* Saturn V—still the most powerful rocket ever flown—was a quantum leap over anything the pre-Paperclip U.S. rocketry community had built.
2. **Domestic Expertise in 1945**
* The U.S. had organizations like NACA (predecessor to NASA), Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and private firms (e.g. Aerojet, Thiokol) working on liquid- and solid-fuel designs.
* However, before 1945 they were focused on cruise missiles, turbojets, and short-range rockets—nowhere near the megawatt cryogenic engines and massive staging required for lunar missions.
3. **Likely Outcome Without Them**
* **Technically possible**: American engineers could surely have reinvented much of von Braun’s work given enough time and resources.
* **But…**: U.S. rocketry would almost certainly have been delayed by **at least 5–10 years**—missing Kennedy’s “before the decade is out” directive and likely ceding the Moon to the Soviets.
4. **Bottom Line**
* The German scientists didn’t do it all, but they **enabled** the U.S. to leap from V-2–derived test rockets in the late ’40s to flight-proven Saturn V boosters by the mid-’60s.
* Without them, a lunar landing was still within reach eventually—but almost certainly **not by July 1969**, and almost certainly at a much higher cost in time, money, and experimental failures.
It’s hard to imagine Apollo’s 1969 lunar landing happening on schedule without the former Peenemünde engineers brought to the U.S. under Operation Paperclip—here’s why:
1. **Saturn V Development**
* Wernher von Braun’s team of \~120–130 German engineers at Redstone Arsenal formed the nucleus of what became NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center and led the design of the Saturn V rocket.
* Saturn V—still the most powerful rocket ever flown—was a quantum leap over anything the pre-Paperclip U.S. rocketry community had built.
2. **Domestic Expertise in 1945**
* The U.S. had organizations like NACA (predecessor to NASA), Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and private firms (e.g. Aerojet, Thiokol) working on liquid- and solid-fuel designs.
* However, before 1945 they were focused on cruise missiles, turbojets, and short-range rockets—nowhere near the megawatt cryogenic engines and massive staging required for lunar missions.
3. **Likely Outcome Without Them**
* **Technically possible**: American engineers could surely have reinvented much of von Braun’s work given enough time and resources.
* **But…**: U.S. rocketry would almost certainly have been delayed by **at least 5–10 years**—missing Kennedy’s “before the decade is out” directive and likely ceding the Moon to the Soviets.
4. **Bottom Line**
* The German scientists didn’t do it all, but they **enabled** the U.S. to leap from V-2–derived test rockets in the late ’40s to flight-proven Saturn V boosters by the mid-’60s.
* Without them, a lunar landing was still within reach eventually—but almost certainly **not by July 1969**, and almost certainly at a much higher cost in time, money, and experimental failures.
7/17/2025, 11:44:56 AM
7/14/2025, 5:13:21 PM
>>63983192
Donkeys
Donkeys
7/14/2025, 12:55:56 AM
>>63980510
same reason some american boomers buy overpriced american trash cars instesd of Superior German cars.
same reason some american boomers buy overpriced american trash cars instesd of Superior German cars.
7/13/2025, 6:51:12 PM
>>17836988
King Tiger 314 destroyed 39 Soviet tanks (T-34 & IS2) in a last stand during the battle for Berlin, on April 30th. It was later disabled by a German mine.
King Tiger 314 destroyed 39 Soviet tanks (T-34 & IS2) in a last stand during the battle for Berlin, on April 30th. It was later disabled by a German mine.
7/11/2025, 12:01:25 PM
7/11/2025, 1:12:21 AM
Panzers on a line
Form the Wehrmacht's spine
Lethal grand design
Ad victoriam, ex machina
Non sibi sed patriae
Ad victoriam, ex machina
Non sibi sed patriae
The Wehrmacht closing in
Adversor et admorsus
The Boar against the Eagle
They are the panzer elite, born to compete, never retreat
Living or dead, always ahead, fed by your dread
In their own track
Came the wolfpack
Gleaves led the convoy into the hornet's nest
Two thousand men, and fifty thousand tonnes of steel
Set the course for the Atlantic with the allies on their heel
Firepower, firefight
Battlestations, keep the targets steady in sight
Form the Wehrmacht's spine
Lethal grand design
Ad victoriam, ex machina
Non sibi sed patriae
Ad victoriam, ex machina
Non sibi sed patriae
The Wehrmacht closing in
Adversor et admorsus
The Boar against the Eagle
They are the panzer elite, born to compete, never retreat
Living or dead, always ahead, fed by your dread
In their own track
Came the wolfpack
Gleaves led the convoy into the hornet's nest
Two thousand men, and fifty thousand tonnes of steel
Set the course for the Atlantic with the allies on their heel
Firepower, firefight
Battlestations, keep the targets steady in sight
7/10/2025, 8:51:24 PM
7/8/2025, 8:50:24 PM
7/6/2025, 11:56:55 AM
7/5/2025, 4:26:08 PM
>>63935638
>German engines were shit and the prussians looted british ones
>The fookker design was shit it was the engine
You can pick one and only one and make it make sense expecialy when The red baron said it was the best he ever flew.
>German engines were shit and the prussians looted british ones
>The fookker design was shit it was the engine
You can pick one and only one and make it make sense expecialy when The red baron said it was the best he ever flew.
7/2/2025, 10:35:26 PM
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