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7/20/2025, 7:40:37 PM
>>24567541
>Kek
Sorry
>Cioran accomplished what he desired
But what if one does not know what he wants? I am not really a social guy and that was always this way. Cioran didn't cause that. I already studying CS and a company pays me enough. So I don't have any goal or something. As much as I would like having some goal I could work to, because I know that having a goal makes one far more happier and feeling accomplished, I just can't find it. Stoicism would offer this but their virtues and ethics just don't really seem logical to me. As much as I could despise him (I don't) I couldn't argue against him. Just because some truth seems sad it just doesn't make it untrue. So I can't follow some virtue because I don't believe in said virtue.
>Pleasure is not the goal
As I said somewhere in this thread, I think that having a net happiness during the lifetime is pretty optimal. Thus pleasure is good if it doesn't cause my dopamine to get fucked and results in me being unhappy for like 2 days. Being reasonably pleased is nice and Cioran does that in a pretty solid way for me. But I know that working won't be a pleasure any time soon because I can't believe in the stoic virtues (as said above)
>Cioran creating problem selling solution
I wouldn't say that Cioran is causing any problem with making life seem pointless. I have read Ligotti, Mainländer, Selim Güre, etc before. They made it pretty clear that life has no goal etc. And Ciorans "solution" is the one that convinced me the most. Somehow believing in some rational order (logos) and soft determinism just doesn't seem logical to me.
>Please do
Will do
>Kek
Sorry
>Cioran accomplished what he desired
But what if one does not know what he wants? I am not really a social guy and that was always this way. Cioran didn't cause that. I already studying CS and a company pays me enough. So I don't have any goal or something. As much as I would like having some goal I could work to, because I know that having a goal makes one far more happier and feeling accomplished, I just can't find it. Stoicism would offer this but their virtues and ethics just don't really seem logical to me. As much as I could despise him (I don't) I couldn't argue against him. Just because some truth seems sad it just doesn't make it untrue. So I can't follow some virtue because I don't believe in said virtue.
>Pleasure is not the goal
As I said somewhere in this thread, I think that having a net happiness during the lifetime is pretty optimal. Thus pleasure is good if it doesn't cause my dopamine to get fucked and results in me being unhappy for like 2 days. Being reasonably pleased is nice and Cioran does that in a pretty solid way for me. But I know that working won't be a pleasure any time soon because I can't believe in the stoic virtues (as said above)
>Cioran creating problem selling solution
I wouldn't say that Cioran is causing any problem with making life seem pointless. I have read Ligotti, Mainländer, Selim Güre, etc before. They made it pretty clear that life has no goal etc. And Ciorans "solution" is the one that convinced me the most. Somehow believing in some rational order (logos) and soft determinism just doesn't seem logical to me.
>Please do
Will do
6/17/2025, 5:06:58 PM
>>24473506
I don't have an IQ of 140 you can't hear my 140IQ counter. But I can tell you my maybe 60IQ counter.
Its been kinda a long time since I have read Camus so I might have forgotten some shit he told.
But Yeah Sisyphussy suffers in a repeated notion, as do we. I don't like going to work all day and Sisyphus won't like rolling his stone uphill. But thats about the only overlap. Sisyphus gotta do that stuff for a long time. How the fuck should he think "Hell yeah now I like rolling my ball up this hill". I just can't see it. We humans won't live forever, so we have something we more or less look forward to. And we can end our life everyday. We can just think like yeah I don't want to roll my stone now I take drugs everyday and when I postponed my suffering enough and now it is inevitable, I just kill myself.
Camus for me just told everybody that life is meaningless and there won't be any and whatnot. But he somehow wants to be that tragic hero that sees truths and meaning where there is non. So how does true consciousness of the absurd don't destroy every imagination of happiness?
The moment where I knew that I am going to start hating him was, when I read his Speeches and shit. Where he somehow tells people to have hope and gets all politcal and shit. He wasn't even antinatalist.
I don't have an IQ of 140 you can't hear my 140IQ counter. But I can tell you my maybe 60IQ counter.
Its been kinda a long time since I have read Camus so I might have forgotten some shit he told.
But Yeah Sisyphussy suffers in a repeated notion, as do we. I don't like going to work all day and Sisyphus won't like rolling his stone uphill. But thats about the only overlap. Sisyphus gotta do that stuff for a long time. How the fuck should he think "Hell yeah now I like rolling my ball up this hill". I just can't see it. We humans won't live forever, so we have something we more or less look forward to. And we can end our life everyday. We can just think like yeah I don't want to roll my stone now I take drugs everyday and when I postponed my suffering enough and now it is inevitable, I just kill myself.
Camus for me just told everybody that life is meaningless and there won't be any and whatnot. But he somehow wants to be that tragic hero that sees truths and meaning where there is non. So how does true consciousness of the absurd don't destroy every imagination of happiness?
The moment where I knew that I am going to start hating him was, when I read his Speeches and shit. Where he somehow tells people to have hope and gets all politcal and shit. He wasn't even antinatalist.
6/15/2025, 8:06:47 PM
>>24466445
These "life-changing" books from random dudes that just tell people to be "happy". And lifes meaning is just work the job you want. And manifest your happiness.
These books 40 year olds read and then give you "life advise" with opinions that aren't grounded on literally anything. If you ask how "speaking to the universe" even makes any sense and how the "thinker" behind the "system" got to this conclusion they won't even understand that you need to build an actual thought-system based on truths nh shit.
People who read these books are probably far happier than I am and it makes me sad that I switched from self-help slop to philosophy and actual literature. I hope I will fall for this "just speak to the universe and the universe will give you what you want " in the future.
These "life-changing" books from random dudes that just tell people to be "happy". And lifes meaning is just work the job you want. And manifest your happiness.
These books 40 year olds read and then give you "life advise" with opinions that aren't grounded on literally anything. If you ask how "speaking to the universe" even makes any sense and how the "thinker" behind the "system" got to this conclusion they won't even understand that you need to build an actual thought-system based on truths nh shit.
People who read these books are probably far happier than I am and it makes me sad that I switched from self-help slop to philosophy and actual literature. I hope I will fall for this "just speak to the universe and the universe will give you what you want " in the future.
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