>>722893885
>Kris Is Two Niggas
Nobody knows this except Ralsei and Carol and it probably didn't happen until recently, and you and Kris are still not the same person, anyone could address Kris individually. This is not a serious explanation.
>plus his whole thing about wanting to be a monster and not a human
Most monsters are boys or girls and Kris was raised by Toriel as her own child, there's no reason they couldn't have been Asriel's brother or sister.
The simple answer is that Toby wants as many people as possible to be able to identify with Kris, just like Frisk and Chara. Unlike with Undertale writing around their identity was impossible, so he just faced it head-on and it works out.
>>722894417
>So a character needs to either have your gender or no gender at all for you to relate to them
You have not had the life experiences of a 16-year-old tumblr lesbian and would not relate to them. Those girls who play this game can relate to Kris, because Kris is not explicitly a boy and therefore their experiences and relationships are not viewed as gendered experiences. Many young men on here relate to Kris's relationships with Susie and Noelle (and Ralsei) in ways that they would not if Kris were a girl and those relationships were explicitly lesbian ones (as others perceive them to be). We relate other people's experiences to our own and view them through our own lens, seeing what we know and want to see, that's how people work.
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>>719058556
It's not about "being stereotypical." A relationship is not "heteronormative" just because it could be described as involving a feminine person and masculine person. Susie hypothetically being a butch lesbian in a relationship with Noelle is not "heteronormative."
"Heteronormative" in this context means that heterosexual norms - traditional gender roles and heterosexual relationships - are being actively enforced on the people involved. The label is being applied to Kris and Noelle in the Weird Route specifically because how the "romance" in that route is playing out, as a result of (You) and possibly Carol's meddling to push Kris and Noelle into something they clearly weren't comfortable with.
This is not a "your ship is too woke/based" competition, it's basic literary analysis, no sane person is criticizing you for how you want to smash your virtual dolls together or thinks Toby Fox has done something wrong here by writing this very good story.
>>719058660
I don't think it's much of a problem for a they/them character to clearly lean one way or another. Every person was born and raised a boy or girl. Kris is still androgynous enough that people who want to interpret them as a girl can do that, it's just more fanfiction-y than getting deep into stuff like "Kris's deepest childhood memories are locked away in a place called "MANCOUNTRY""
It's not about "being stereotypical." A relationship is not "heteronormative" just because it could be described as involving a feminine person and masculine person. Susie hypothetically being a butch lesbian in a relationship with Noelle is not "heteronormative."
"Heteronormative" in this context means that heterosexual norms - traditional gender roles and heterosexual relationships - are being actively enforced on the people involved. The label is being applied to Kris and Noelle in the Weird Route specifically because how the "romance" in that route is playing out, as a result of (You) and possibly Carol's meddling to push Kris and Noelle into something they clearly weren't comfortable with.
This is not a "your ship is too woke/based" competition, it's basic literary analysis, no sane person is criticizing you for how you want to smash your virtual dolls together or thinks Toby Fox has done something wrong here by writing this very good story.
>>719058660
I don't think it's much of a problem for a they/them character to clearly lean one way or another. Every person was born and raised a boy or girl. Kris is still androgynous enough that people who want to interpret them as a girl can do that, it's just more fanfiction-y than getting deep into stuff like "Kris's deepest childhood memories are locked away in a place called "MANCOUNTRY""
>>713061371
There's a significant subculture of lesbian/"yuri" Kris/Noelle and Kris/Susie stuff, which reinforces my point about "identifying" with Kris and viewing their experiences with your own lens. Many of those people would not be attached to Kris's romances through the lens of male attraction. Not as many people would identify with Kris if they were explicitly a male (or female) (or something else) and had those associated experiences they couldn't as easily relate to.
There's a significant subculture of lesbian/"yuri" Kris/Noelle and Kris/Susie stuff, which reinforces my point about "identifying" with Kris and viewing their experiences with your own lens. Many of those people would not be attached to Kris's romances through the lens of male attraction. Not as many people would identify with Kris if they were explicitly a male (or female) (or something else) and had those associated experiences they couldn't as easily relate to.