>game has complex moral choices

>>713051769 (OP)
I will never respect a sign that uses a right apostrophe at the start of a quote instead of a left one.

>take two

It's incredible how shitty Undertale looked compared to Deltarune

>>713051906
Curious is the passage of time

>>713051906
is this worth the 5 times increase in development time, though?

>>713051769 (OP)
Taking too many, breaking the bowl, and eating the glass shards was the natural evolution of this scene.
Bravo, Toby, you’ve still got it

>>713051845
You've decided your fate

How long until Deltarune becomes Homestuck 2.0?

>>713051906
It's somewhat intentional according to the art book.

>>713052036
I doubt the art is the one thing that is holding development back

>>713051906
It does pretty significantly improve as the game goes on though

>Makes internet janitors seethe that we're having discussions about videogames on the videogame board.
How does DELTARUNE do it?

Maybe your threads would stop getting deleted if you stopped with the shipping faggotry and posted Ralsei ass

>>713051769 (OP)
>take 1
>lick it
>don't like it
>put it back
>take a different one

>>713051906
and Deltarune still looks shitty. imagine when Toby and his team learn how to do high quality pixel art

>>713052128
Homestuck’s worst parts plus Psycholonials are still better than Deltarune’s best because I can at least believe they were made insincerely

>>713052340
the titan looked pretty good

>>713052316
Is that really what you want?

Man quit all whackin' me with a hockey stick and shit, I just wanna help out with whatever cosmic conspiracy theory you're trying to pull off here. I didn't do nothin'. Gimme a keyboard to possess so I can chat, your gay goat brother's out of town and the internet's down anyways, put that MSN Messenger to good use.

Kris is male coded.

Best scene in Deltarune so far, thank you Toby

>>713052128
The structure of Deltarune makes this much less likely to happen. Since each "update" is in set-in-stone chapters and there are only 7 it's pretty obvious Toby at least knows where he's going. The story has already gotten more serious with Chapter 4 and the closest things to "fandom" memes were in the beginning and end of that chapter with amogus and Mike
Toby had time to let that autism affect him in between not only the chapters of Deltarune but also the space between Undertale and Deltarune, and it's been good so far

>>713052128
>morph from the simple coming of age story
it was never that to begin with

>>713052413
Why is it so difficult to find someone who will step on me but be normal about it?

>>713052316
Do you accept Ralsei tummy as an alternative payment method?

>>713052441

>>713052529
>Throws cup on the ground
So why does Kris dislike Alphys? We didn't tell them to do that

>>713052128
Never considering that the story itself has been done for over 10 years

>>713052651
Yes you did, the soul was inside him at that point

>>713052529
It's what she deserves and she knows it.

>>713052651
Why shouldn't Kris dislike Alphys? She is a miserable loser with zero redeeming qualities.

>>713052651
>4 Alphys, 1 Undyne
>all kill themselves if Undyne dies
She's working with Gaster alongside three other alternate versions of herself. Kris is pissed at her because 1. they know that she's responsible for putting the SOUL in them or 2. the SOUL knows that she's responsible for taking them from their own body and putting them in Kris.

>>713052765
We told him to drink it but not to spitefully throw the cup on the ground in front of her, that was all him

>>713052651
He doesn't dislike her, he's just asserting dominance

>>713051769 (OP)

>>713051769 (OP)
>takes the whole bowl, kicks over the stand, and rips down the plants on the wall

>>713052651
have to keep up a facade of public dislike to keep their sexual relationship from ever being found out by the town

>>713052812
nah, it's all you, you deliberately chose to tease Alphys

>>713052904
you forgot
>drowns in the ankle-high adjacent stream

>official Toby Fox YT channel deletes playlist of Deltarune covers and remixes, one of the videos included "Friend In Me" from Toy Story
>Friend found in Ch3 as an enemy in ERAM fight and smiles in the vending machine
>Seam's "lost smile"
>Friend constantly lurking in the darkest places of the dark world for split seconds at a time
>Seam's view of the world grew "dark, yet darker"
>cut Ch3 quiz talks about Asgore's favorite cowboy show, which was canceled
>Toby teasing that a cowboy segment was canceled in the post ch2 newsletters
>Asgore's black shard
>"The field of Pink and Gold is burned in an inferno of jealousy"
>Friend has pink and gold eyes
>IMAGE_FRIEND is still at large
THE DOTS, THEY'RE THERE
I JUST NEED TO CONNECT THEM

>>713052651
He knows Alphys was responsible for shoving his original soul into Dess to create the Knight, and is opening dark fountains in a desperate attempt to try and catch Dess so she can be brought back to normal and Kris can get his original soul back.

>>713053043
>official Toby Fox YT channel deletes playlist
?

>>713053043
Asgore is friend
I will not be taking questions

>>713053043
It's pretty simple, anon. FRIEND is literally inside (You). Its filenames match up with the ones Gaster used to create the in-universe game client you're using to connect to Kris. FRIEND is also about to help Asgore next chapter.

>>713052413
Yes it's really my only reason for still caring about this game
>>713052605
Certainly

>>713053043
kek he's fucking with us

>>713052316
I don't fuckin know what or why behind the Jannies reasons

>>713052950
If Kris can interpret our command to keep the Church closet door closed, not open his mouth when speaking his mind, or cough when we're a dick to Ralsei he could've easily refrained from doing something we didn't even tell him to, so that was his own doing

>>713053043
And as for how Seam fits into all this...

>>713053158
He had a playlist of "Deltarune remixes" or something like that which had covers and remixes of DR tracks and then You've got a friend in me was in there for some reason, it's gone now

>>713052340
he really should hire competent pixel artists

>>713053265
This. Either Kris or the SOUL had a reason to be mad at Alphys that they're only willing to let out in petty ways.

>>713051769 (OP)

>>713053278
He's on Asriel's wallpaper and seems to be prophecy-aware.
I don't remember anything else about him.

>>713051906
If you take a look at the concept art, a lot of stuff was thrown out for looking too good. As an example this enemy was cut and replaced with lesser dog because it "looked to good".

>>713053363
soul soulless

>>713053363
these all SUCK. especially mk

>>713052529
damn, thats based

>>713052118
What show is this?

>>713053475
>replaced with lesser dog
what a save

>>713051769 (OP)
In real life, take a piece of candy. In video games, take all the candy and wear the bowl like a helmet as I run off cock in-hand to rape the first monster I see FUCK YOU TOBY FOX I'M HERE TO HAVE FUN WITH MY VIDEOGAMES

>>713052576
>Since each "update" is in set-in-stone chapters and there are only 7 it's pretty obvious Toby at least knows where he's going
Hussie supposedly "knew where he was going" too
+Toby Fox himself said that he's the kind of person who changes his plans at the last minute.

>>713053363
Spamton's hair is supposed to be gelled stiff, right side is anticanon

>>713053363
absolutely soulless

>>713053363
Dude blob shadows lmao

>>713052651
kris is a dick and alphys is a pushover

>>713053583
The difference is that Toby isn't a fucking hack

>>713052651
Everyone hates Alphys

>>713053665
open blob show shadow

>>713053043
>>713053210
>>713053245
>* What's wrong with you, making people think MIKE is a CAT!?
>* I swear, you people see PINK and YELLOW and think, oh, a FRIEND!!
>* Being a friend doesn't make you them YOURS! Those teeth, they BITE!
The point is people are overthinking it by trying to make FRIEND into more than it is.

Friend is what it says right there in the filename. IMAGE_FRIEND. An imaginary friend. It's a smile in the dark, a friendly face to keep you company.
It was likely created by Dess to cope with her mad loneliness after being in the Dark for years. Her own little friend just there to keep an eye on her.
It being present in all the secret boss stuff is because all that stuff is being set up by Dess while she acts as the Knight. She's aiming for the REAL Freedom after all this shit has messed up her mind. Her FRIENDS just keep an eye on us as we do it for her.

>>713053278
Seam may well have belonged to Dess before. Asriel literally has a drawing of him included in his background
>* HAHAHA!!! WHAT IS THIS COMPUTER WALLPAPER???
>* What AGE did you and your brother draw this at!?
>* Glad we didn't go to THIS Cyber World! Haha, what the hell?
>* Hey, and in the corner, that's that cat thing from Castle Town!
>* You know, the shop thing! The... cat... the stitch thing! Whatever.
But the color scheme of Seam doesn't fit Asriel. It DOES fit Dess' purple aesthetics though. And what do you know is in her pile of stuff?
>* Violent comic books, paintballs, a cracked hockey mask, FRAYED YARN AND BUTTONS,

>>713053363
spamton is already perfect

>>713052651
She's his teacher, I've had classmates bring dildos to class hiding them under the teacher's desk to get her fired. Kids are spiteful motherfuckers.

>>713051845
YOUR TAKING TOO

>>713053381
what a little faggot

>>713053363
I unironically prefer Toby's shitty art to stuff made by competent artists. Its interesting and unique. Most modern pixel art all looks the same and has no character.

>>713053583
>Hussie supposedly "knew where he was going" too
Deltarune/Undertale is so good specifically because Toby was there to take notes on what NOT to do from Hussie

>>713052481
no

>>713053763
LMAO

>>713053363
this monster kid looks very punchable

>>713053210
are you talking about SURVEY_PROGRAM?

>>713053583
There's a difference in workflow between the two where Hussie starts with absolutely fucking amazing concepts and settings and then has no idea where to actually go with them when he decides it's time to continue them (read: he probably did genuinely have a definite end-date and ending in mind with Homestuck when he said "2014" during the Kickstarter, had no idea how to keep going with it and abandoned all plans of Homestuck being "practice" for some even bigger and better idea when he started shilling out and going on mega-hiatuses), where Toby has an amazing ending in mind and a general setting but he has literally no idea how his story is supposed to actually go and the 80% between the start and finish is fluff he has to make up along the way

>>713052651
Alphys just fucking sucks as a teacher, there's a reason why 7/9 of her students a essentially special ed
Kris has a 100% sleep rate during her classes it's THAT bad.

>>713053690
>ms paint art
>entire script in a single txt file
I'm glad to see my dev process is the same as Toby's.

Does anyone know if there is an Undertale mod that unlocks all FUN events at the same time?
I found a couple but they either weren't clear about what exactly they did or seemed like they added a bunch of fanfic shit on top.
I just want a friend to have a replaythrough with all the fun events before he starts Deltarune. Adding console-exclusive shit is fine though.
yes i reposted this from the other thread

>>713052128
There isn't much commenting about the fandom in the actual structure of Deltarune, just side jokes. The fact that ch3-4 proved a ton of theories wrong just comes from the fact that these theories were very stupid to begin with.

Never seen a more "reddit" game than this. The dialogue is actual reddit snark you see in threads about twitter screenshots.

>>713053453
First, let's define the structure of the game:
>layer 0: reality, where you are
>layer 1: the DEVICE, which is how you're connecting to Deltarune. It's what handles saving and loading the game, too
>layer 2: light world
>layer 3: dark world
etc etc
Seam is the ONLY character in the entire game aside from Gaster who remembers shit between saves. You don't get anything like Undyne having deja vu upon seeing you in Deltarune, because saving and loading is happening on a higher level of reality than anyone else has access to, aside from you and Gaster.
Except Seam somehow REMEMBERS. Seam remembers that you've beaten the secret bosses in previous saves, somehow. This means that Seam ALSO has access to that higher level of reality... except he shouldn't, because his file naming scheme is wrong. In-game assets use standard lowercase naming conventions, but the stuff Gaster made for you all uses capital letters and look like PLACE_CONTACT for a location (in this case the Gonermaker screen itself), PROCESS_LOGO, AUDIO_ANOTHERHIM.ogg etc etc. Everything on Layer 1 uses this naming scheme, everything on layer 2 and below does not.
But there is one entity with Gaster's naming scheme who is also in-universe: IMAGE_FRIEND/DEVICE_FRIEND. Since they come from Layer 1, FRIEND would have access to your save data while also existing in-game. This means that Seam, who has a yellow button eye, will probably open his other to reveal it's pink and show you a wide fuckin' grin because it's been FRIEND wearing the hand puppet the whole time.

>>713053735
Anon this thing has been stalking us since Undertale. Also IMAGE_FRIEND is the sprite, it'd probably be more accurate to call it DEVICE_FRIEND.

Holy shit I forgot

>>713053210
Alright, I figured it out: assuming the Roaring Knight is Dess, than the Black Knife was her knife. Asgore doesn't have a piece of it because he fought the Knight or whatever, he had it because it was the only lead he had to figuring out where the fuck Dess went off to. He'll barge into the festival with his schizo conspiracy board and try to redpill Toriel on what he thinks really happened, but then she'll absolutely lose it, letting loose all the anger she's obviously been bubbling up every time they met. Utterly discouraged, Asgore will sulk and go back to his shop, where a Dark World is already lying in wait for him. Kris and Susie will go to check on him, and then that's how they get into the Dark World.

>>713054164
Where do you think they got it from?

>>713053735
>edited the transflag out
Um. Yuck.

>>713054164
* @713054164 blows out his candles...
* But nobody came.

>>713053965
Yep.

>>713054195
>layer 3: dark world
layer 4: a game show inside the dark world (a facsimilly of reality)
layer 5: a video game inside the game show

>Ramb mentions Kris and Noelle (i assume) playing make believe as Queen and King with a laptop when they were kids
>this is why Queen and King know each other, probably also why they have those roles
that's a neat way to connect characters from completely different fountains
chapter 3 is definitively an acquired taste

>>713054061
Good for pacing, bad for Kris' future (which is bleak regardless)

>>713054134
The theories were mostly people assuming everything was going to go exactly like ch2 for some reason
>every chapter will have a superboss that wants Kris' soul! ignore how Jevil didn't give a fuck about it

>>713054195
sorry but she was referring to mettaton

>>713053043
>>713053278
It's Seam's insides, he's a puppet
He's as dejected as Kris is, he resigned to the ending
The FRIEND inside him reflects you, the shadow following along the journey that's always just out of reach, and that FRIEND has potential to lead you on different paths of good or bad

>>713054212
Buble

>>713054195
>Anon this thing has been stalking us since Undertale.
Yeah, and "The place where it Rained" has heavy hints of Undertale being after the events of Deltarune on a universal scale.

>Also IMAGE_FRIEND is the sprite, it'd probably be more accurate to call it DEVICE_FRIEND.
The sprite is what everyone always talks about it. Either way, the important part is that it's a "friend" and it seems to be primarily about the face seeing how it can show up on those lucky blockades.
It being Dess' personal toy/Friend brought to life could make perfect sense in at least the scope of Deltarune itself.

>>713054293
It's definitely Noelle.
It's why she tries so hard to make Noelle happy.

>>713053475
I think it's less that it looks "too good" and more that it looks too realistic and not cartoony enough for Undertale's style.

>>713053735
Can't wait for Dess to be revealed to be a total bitch and a bad person
How will people outside of here cope?

>>713045964
>also toby

>>713053363
Toby did hire competent artists, it's just that he wants them to draw stuff in his style, which is insanely crude and lacks detail/animation

>>713054464
She was a rebellious punk rock lover that wasn't above beating people and setting things on fire.

She certainly wasn't GOOD, but I don't think she was outright evil or anything.
At least not before. Now that she's been alone in the dark for years, she's probably lost her mind a bit and is more "evil" the same way Flowey got.

>>713054476
This man is based

>>713052118
>gif
for christ's sake, going for the head would have solved so many issues

>>713054212
>Queen: It Means Titties
>Watercooler: boobie
I don't get it

>>713054476
Oh come on that's pretty progressive for 2000s standards, if anything this proves that To-
>it'd be like me saying "oh jeez this game just started riding the underground railroad down to negrotown pretty fast," I SHOULD PROBABLY SAY THAT SECOND ONE INSTEAD.
Jesus Christ, Toby

>>713054420
>Either way, the important part is that it's a "friend"
I'll quote the same lines you quoted here;
>* What's wrong with you, making people think MIKE is a CAT!?
>* I swear, you people see PINK and YELLOW and think, oh, a FRIEND!!
>* Being a friend doesn't make you them YOURS! Those teeth, they BITE!
There's a good chance this thing is more like a virus than a friend. Something that wrote itself into the game and gave itself the name FRIEND to decieve you, because it knew you'd be looking for it in the game files. Also the thing came out of Cat Petterz 2, it's Noelle's creature, not Dess's. https://deltarune.com/egg/
This is how we REALLY know it's not a "friend," because it's the thing about Cat Petterz 2 is that all the pets are made up of circles. The pointed tail of hell belongs to FRIEND, and it's what lured Kris, Asriel, Noelle and Dess into the shelter on that fateful night. The poor children.

>>713054476
WHY THE FUCK IS HIS GAMES FULL OF GAY SHIT THEN

>>713054293
It's really interesting that there was apparently a time when King was to Kris as Queen is to Noelle
Huge potential there if Toby (or even like fanart/fanfic creators) ever want to give King actual characterization

>>713053763
nice

>>713054464
That image always makes me giggle because I imagine he just got that text and went into a blind rage

>>713054195
>Kris enters bunker in video game
>friend becomes corporeal and can damage Kris
It seems the bunker is very dark.
Also what the fuck is up with that game?

>>713054164
still better than any 4chan game made, oh wait 4chan only makes VNslop

>>713054772
Did King act like he knew Kris in any way?

>>713054359
The pointed tail led them into hell
Is it also able to lead them to H E A V E N?

>>713054476
>anon discovers that people change as they age

>>713054772
I think Tenna was Kris's equivelent of Queen. King doesn't even address Kris by name.

>>713054728
But the fact that it was sent to Noelle of all people could instead point to it being Dess' still.
The original egg sent to her ended up leaving due to happiness. Dess was reaching out to her back then and was happy she got to see her sister again.
THe Mike's line is more about the Friend not being YOUR Friend. It's not, it's Dess'.

All the stuff going beyond the actual game into meta pieces and Gaster shit I think is taking it all too far like the Mike bit was making fun of. I think Friend is just meant to be what it says on the tin, a Friend. But it's a Friend of Dess, not us necessarily.

>>713054905
Speaking of which, does Seam say anything if you just dump a bunch of Shadow Crystals on him at once?

>>713052128
I'd expect Toby had the story fully outlined before he even started development, so I trust the dog. He's definitely not above adding little winks and nods to the fanbase (Ralsei clicking the gun ads in Chapter 2, "chuffed by that dart" in 3, canon Gir-elle in 4) but I see nothing in those later chapters that makes me think he substantially is shifting course.

>>713054884
>oh wait 4chan only makes VNslo-ACK
https://made-by-agdg.vercel.app/
Also Toby used to post here

>>713054984
Bros, why can't I have a Kris to puppet IRL?

>>713054908
If anything this just shows he never changed. Which is based

>>713054979
>canon Gir-elle in 4
wait what? did i miss this?

>>713054884
There's Morgan's Skate Club.

>>713054830
At first I thought it was telling you what Kris had done behind your back, but with the FRIEND rabbithole I've fallen down lately has convinced me otherwise. The thing that really gets me here is
>Ramb is working for a thing that's been following us since Undertale
>"But if I know Kris, and boy do I know Kris... that's not what YOU want, innit?"
>"Freedom. That's what YOU want, chum, freedom!"
>"Well, if I can go hush-hush for a minute here..."
>"Kris, luv. THAT'S what we got backstage."
>"The ORIGINAL game. Where YOU decide what to do."
>"YOU decide what to do" in the "original game"
>but the only choice is to kill everyone you know and love
You know what that sounds like to me? Undertale's Genocide route.

>>713052481
Sueie is trans coded

>>713054908
This just shows that he's been the same ever since tho

>>713054979
I remember Toby saying in 2020 when he made the first update on his site reaching out to game developers to help him with Deltarune that he'd:
>Outlined the story
>Made all the leitmotifs he needed
>Made a "first pass" of all the dialogue
The dude's had the story planned since 2020. Trvst the dog!

>>713055041
it's one of her wallpapers on her computer

>>713055137
also, ramb says the game is about freedom, but it's not: once you pick up the controller, you can't back out, even though you can in every other optional minigame screen. the only way to leave is to commit genocide

>>713055137
fits seamlessly with how hard spamton correlated freedom with unrepentant violence too, outright referring to freedom as violence and warning it would cause nothing but misery in snowgrave route and having thorn rings for sale to facilitate that

will probably tie into gerson saying "write ya own fukkin story" and recontextualize and flip the book on what "freedom" is supposed to mean; so far, everyone has correlated it with violence or even subjugation in some way

>>713054958
Anon it hatched out of one of the quantum uncertainty eggs the Forgotten Man behind the tree gives you. The page that leads you to the story about Noelle's egg is literally just the man in the tree: https://deltarune.com/man/

>>713054908
Honestly I know Toby regards the Halloween Hack as embarrassing, and it's certainly clumsy and amateurish especially compared to his later work, but you can really see a lot of its DNA in UT/DR. He was a smart kid!

>>713055162
>planned since 2020
off by about 10 years
>>713053690

Why didn't you push him?

>>713054884
no, 4chan also makes masterpieces like Cuckold Simulator

>>713055354
>>713055362
Nothing good is going to come out of following the pointed tail. If you follow the tale that's already written - let the prophecy happen - then you'll have a bittersweet ending but otherwise be fine. If you don't, however...all hell will literally break loose, and the thing that's doing it is IN YOUR SAVE SYSTEM so you can't undo it.

>>713055137
Imagine if ch7 the game switch command activates and also injects something deep into Undertale in Genocide route. Like it makes a file at a certain point before snapping you back into Deltarune

>>713055004
>Also Toby used to post here
/v/ told me that Undertale was a tumblr game though?

>>713054508
he added a lot more animation and unique sprites in chapters 3+4, i think that's his concession.

>>713054767
All of the fags(literal) on starmen talked "ironically" like that about it, with the sole exception of the two sparklefur lesbians publicly airing their breakup drama.

...so what if the whole point of opening the dark worlds is for the Roaring Knight to be able to grind Lv ahead of us, which is why they are already so strong?

>>713055532
that makes a lot of sense...

>>713055515
>listening to /v/ after 2016

https://youtu.be/OZlFhg6wAIc?si=lDZK5Pq_0KGy8Gp3

>>713055346
Sans did nothing wrong

>>713055525
don't forget the epic 3d tenna cutscene

>>713053381
what a based chad

>>713055364
BUT IT ALL FITS, DON'T YOU SEE?

Spamton's element is inexplicably shared by "cats". "Cat/Puppet" seem to be paired elements for some reason.
But, if Friend is Dess' imaginary ideal based on Seam, it makes perfect sense!
>Dess is the one that was calling Spamton and giving him advice
>Her advice led to how he looks now
>He started wearing Gold and Pink glasses and became more similar to a cat
>She was telling him to be more like Friend/Seam, who she sees as a great shopkeeper (hence that being his role now)
>That's why his element is related to cats
IT ALL MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE NOW.

>>713054890
No, he doesn't seem to recognize them. But he's been abandoned for years, the games they played were a long time ago.
Queen on the other hand still had a connection to Noelle and the other kids in town because she was connected to the library's network, even if they didn't really "play" with her anymore. That's why King is motivated by bitter resentment while Queen genuinely wants to help the Lightners.

>>713054923
>Queen on her side, King on your side, Tenna in back... Oh, it was chaos, CHAOS!
Chapter 3 also connects Kris to cards in other ways, like the "Flying Aces." It seems like they liked card games because they could cheat at them, while we know Noelle has been online from a young age (explains a lot about how she's characterized now), the Spamton Sweepstakes shows that she was already blogging when she was young enough that Dess helped her type her posts.
Tenna obviously had an important place in Kris's house, but it would be hard to actually "play" with the television. There's also a lot of vague metaphorical allusions to how Tenna gradually "won" and made the house his domain as Kris and everyone else grew up and stopped playing pretend so much and spent more time in front of the TV.

>>713053381
I hate kids so goddamn much

>>713055362
Don't forget the clown either
The only thing he can think to do once you open the door to his "little freedom" is play a killing game

>>713055532
I feel like more darkners would be complaining about the knight in that case.

>>713055494
Don't worry, the game is running in unprivileged mode, FRIEND can't do shit
>inb4 chapter 7 is bundled with a novel 0 day privilege escalation and rootkits your PC

>>713054508
he mentioned in the anniversary stream that he was originally planning deltarune to have a chrono-trigger-esque detailed style, but eventually cancelled it in favor of something that he would be able to exert more influence over.

>>713055532
Honestly? I think there really are two Roaring Knights - Kris and Dess. Kris was a fake Roaring Knight, but since they were the one who'd been opening all the Fountains up until this point they're the Knight that everyone's been talking about. However, they were opening Fountains because they'd attract the REAL Roaring Knight, Dess, who has no choice but to enter Dark Worlds and plant the Shadow Crystal within. Kris opened the Dark World in their house and told Tenna to stall for as long as possible because they wanted to find Dess.

>>713055702
he's talking about the titan and its spawns that you can kill

So what would happen if you stabbed a person while trying to make a dark fountain? What about doing that inside a dark world? Would it turn that person into a titan?

Cat/Puppet is because Spamton POZZED noelle's copy of cat petterz

>>713051769 (OP)

>>713055782
Wouldn't the darkners mention a titan appearing?

>Actual intelligent and insightful discussion about the themes of a video game on /v/ in TYOL 2025
UT/DR threads are the only fucking reason I still come to this place.

>>713055745
>Kris was a fake Roaring Knight, but since they were the one who'd been opening all the Fountains up until this point they're the Knight that everyone's been talking about.
the other roaring knight(dess) opened up the cyber fountain. the closet text confirms it, with them both being
>a large person could fit inside

>>713055578
best thing these new chapters have given us
its canon in my mind

who's the OG artist behind this?

>>713055745
It's impossible for Kris to have created the computer lab (didn't get created until after Noelle and Berdly entered) or church (didn't get created until Kris et al. were in the manor) fountains.
I think the person opening the fountains (including the school, but obviously not including the ones we see Kris and Susie open) is a different person from the Knight we see in the dark world, but I don't think it's Kris.

>>713055837
But why target Noelle specifically? Why did ALL the glitched stuff go right towards her?
Cause it was directed by Dess. She was reaching out to Noelle through the games. Though other fantasies.

>>713055632
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OX5Ji9kfEKZvXnzGfnHuxO4tdsQH9eSaXqiJnp1GK-0/edit?tab=t.0
I'm just gonna throw you this as a lifeline to let you drag yourself out of the schizo hole you've found yourself in. I know from experience that it's really dark down there, so I hope you can dig your way out.

seems almost done

>>713055364
Are we sure those eggs in Noelle's story aren't Pipis? They get called eggs a few times and treated like them.

>>713055863
kris has only visibly visited 4/5 dark world so far. who knows how many dark fountains the knight opened up out of view purely to grind. unless you go to said dark worlds, I doubt the darkners (aside from maybe ralsei) are going to know about it.

>>713055863
unless they've been literally spawn killing them somehow?... idk

>>713055162
yeah but he also said this

>>713055494
this makes a lot of sense, actually. i know a lot of people think doing weird route will be a requirement for the hypothetical best ending, but this is the same developer who tainted your pacifist run if you ever did genocide, and weird route is a lot more emotionally fucked up then genocide was. i fully expect there to be horrible irreversible consequences for going too far down that road
>THE FORBIDDEN PATH BEGAN WITH ICE MAGIC

>>713055362
Freedom is choice. If your only choice is to be peaceful, then that isn't a choice, you're being forced to be peaceful. So the only real choice you can make is to break the game to enable violence.

How did Susie not make the connection that Kris may have made the fountain in his house
I mean does she think that the Knight broke in, made a fountain, left, and then came back at the perfect moment to shank Tenna?

>>713055952
There's different reasons. She was given an EGG by the man. A virtual one, that just ran away.
The other reason is because she kept opening Spamton's spam emails like a retard, which is why she even got the code for Pipis to begin with.
She also kept actively chasing after glitches, exploits, mods, etc

>>713055974
that last queen better be Queen

>>713055979
Yeah there's a different story where Noelle gets a pipis. https://deltarune.com/bluecircle/

>>713054634
Wait until this anon realizes that, in entertainment media like anime, that realism, pacing, and rule-of-cool dictate fight choreography much more than being an optimal tactitard.

>>713056097
it is but for some reason the dude changed his mind and instead of Lancer for the last J hes just slapping everything in?

>Berdly and Susie both have axes in the Dark World
What does it mean?

>>713055157
not really

>>713056071
susie isn't exactly the brightest
tenna also kept her and ralsei distracted, as per kris' orders
if i had to guess what susie's thoughts were, it would that the knight stayed hidden until toriel was out of the gatcha ball before swooping in
the knight trying to nab her in the light world probably didn't even cross her mind

>>713056145
don't know why I put realism in there, ignore that part

>>713055974
very nice, this for balatro?

>>713056167
retarded
how can you make the jack of spades someone other than "Dark Jack Lancer"

>>713056071
>notices that Kris is always carrying a knife around
>doesn't connect the dots
Susie is a special needs child

Final prophesy? Kris and his dad DP Carol while Noelle sits in the cuck chair.

>>713056185
halbird, not axe

>>713056185
the final panel of the prophecy is
>SUSIE MUST DATE BERDLY

>>713055494
>The tale which must be followed
>The UNDERtale

>>713053551
Naruto

>>713055578
Trust the plan
>Gerson is incredibly powerful and wise
>Dunks on a TITAN and Roaring Knight is nowhere to be seen near him for good reason
>Asgore is the KING
>THE HEART will burn his garden to purify his soul of any doubt and he will fight alongside us to end the Knight once and for all
>Dark Asgore is the schizoboss of act 5 (there will be 2 ASGORES)

>>713056005
Ralsei should know about other open fountains if he isn't lying about his ability to detect them. but even if he can't, how many places in town could the knight be hiding dark fountains in? We go to most areas in the town ourself.

>>713055710
>>713056053
>tfw every game on linux has its own sandboxed filesystem
YOU CAN'T HURT ME TOBY

>>713056053
According to a map hidden in the Jackenstein fight (with the items and exit from the stage added in) there's seemingly a way to escape the prophecy entirely in chapter 3 somewhere...but since the stage requires you to get the key THEN get to the exit, it'll probably require you to get the shelter passcodes from Kris somehow then swap to Susie in chapter 3 and run into the shelter before Kris can stop you.
I don't think Kris is keeping the passcodes from you because they're hiding something in there. I think they're SCARED of what's in there, and with damn good reason.

>>713056167
that looks so bad compared to the rest lol it's like he just gave up

>>713056225
yeah, seems like a soon to be released mod
>>713056261
dunno that was the plan initially but he went full retard

TOTAL
ENBIE
DEATH

>>713051845
You are the scum of the earth.

>>713056359
>t. Knight

>>713055953
That thing's even more of a schizo hole though. It tries to bring in all this stuff from Undertale when we barely know the connections between the two yet.

I'm going off of what's in the game itself.
>In the game, Friend shows up in the schizo boss stuff.
>It has similarities to Seam.
>Asriel knew Seam, but Seam doesn't fit Asriel's vibe.
>Seam does fit with Dess' vibe though
>Dess has frayed yarn and buttons in her pile of violent things.
>Dess was alone in the dark for years
>Friend seems to primarily be a disembodied face that can appear on things in the Dark
Friend being something Dess made up in her desperation based on her old toy is just too fitting here. And from that, other parts fall into place
>Dess sent all the glitched game stuff to Noelle to try and reach out to her back before she went mad and became the Knight
>Dess eventually became the Knight (possibly with Gaster's help)
>The Knight set up the schizo boss stuff while also playing her role in the Prophecy
>The Friends are present cause she left them there to keep watch of things
>Dess fucked up Jevils mind out of jealousy that Seam was friends with him
>Spamton is how he is because Dess' advice to be a good salesman was to be like Friend/Seam
>ERAM summons Friends because ERAM is Dess messing with Kris the same way she tried to sincerely reach out to Noelle before
>Dess doesn't mess with Gerson at all cause she knows better

If you REALLY wanna bring in the demon shit, you could say it hoped into all this by taking a form Dess would want to see, similar to Seam. But the point is that the Friends serving Dess as a coping mechanism is just too fucking perfect of an idea here.

>>713051769 (OP)
Speaking of morals, is Spamton the outright evilest character that can become our ally (evidenced by being able to change between normal and Dealmaker forms) between games? Everyone in Undertale is some flavor of bumbling/incompetent and comedic, King increasingly becomes a gag character in his cage, and Queen and Tenna aren't really malicious, but Spamton is basically carrying the Deltarune equivalent of the One Ring in his pocket and fully expected you to use it to fuck shit up so he could make off like a bandit

>>713055951
>didn't get created until after Noelle and Berdly entered
You say that, but they could have just as easily fallen into it like Susie and Kris did, then got dumped in the seats when the dark world closed, like Kris and Susie were on the floor in the spare classroom when its dark world closed.

>>713056298
>Muffet: "Sorry, they must have meant a DIFFERENT human in a striped shirt."

>>713056186
you can take a nigga outa the hood but you can't take the hood out of a nigga, you know it's true

>>713054908
>complains about the lack of "non-stereotypical homosexual characters in media"
>proceeds to make the Royal Guards in his next game
what did toby mean by this?

I want Kris to top Asriel

>>713056119
can I get a link to the egg story?

>Titan theme is "GUARDIAN"
>KNIGHT summons it and runs off
>Fun Gang slays it
What the fuck is it guarding? They're using the protag and his friends, aren't they?

>Deltatraveler 1 is completely fine, has a cool zero soul Flowey fight with good music
>Absolutely shit the fucking bed everywhere else
Potential squandered.

>>713056683
It's guarding the Knight so it can make its exit.

>>713056068
same shit applies in reverse, if your only other choice is to gaslight gatekeep girlboss as in the mantle game, that's not really freedom either

>>713051906
Art doesn't make a game. Minecraft is one of the most popular games right now and it looks like arse.

>>713056701
ITS A COUPLE OF RETARDS SHITTY FANFICTION WHY ARE YOU STILL THINKING ABOUT IT

>>713056470
Where did he even get that thing?

>>713055346
This one always cracks me up

>>713056531
Stereotypes are there for a reason.

>>713056683
It's Gaster stopping anything from escaping the experiment. Deltarune WILL be a closed box where nothing enters or leaves.

>>713056670
Click the tree on the man page, or just replace "man" with "egg."

>>713056701
I know right? I could stomach the Earthbound shit, but the instant Kris told everyone about the SOUL in part 3 I just bailed, despite liking how Underfell plays.

>>713056396
Total femboy death!

>>713056797
Because the Flowey fight music keeps showing up in my recommended and I like it and what happened after pisses me off

>>713056730
Nah, you can't fool me

>>713056701
What are you saying? This shit is unfiltered KINO

>>713056847
>erases and colors in the titan to FORCE the face
cringe

>>713056732
So Mantle isn't free either, but we know that Snowgrave specifically is free, its a choice.

Are you ready?

>>713056914
It's just to make it easier to see what it is. Once you start seeing it on the normal face, you'll never unsee it.

>>713056890
>what if MURDER and the BLOOD
Fan made shit is so fucking bad, it's been 10 years since Undertale and nothing worthwhile other than that 1 off fight was worth a damn

>>713056270
In her defence, she had a fuckton of other things on her mind when Kris whipped out the knife for her to make the second church world.
She might ask him about it in chapter 5.

why do i even try to understand this retarded game's lore
what the fuck is a friend dude

>>713056854
I mean, besides that simple answer, maybe there's something that the Titans are guarding. Ralsei makes it seem like these creatures are just pure forces of destruction, born from people's innate fear of the dark. But if they're GUARDIANs, then what do these creatures have to hide?

What the fuck is Deltatraveler?

>>713056701
Deltatraveler shit the bed the moment Toriel showed up and started the shitty fanfic "omg kris is le chara???" bullshit. It had one good scene at the very beginning (which was a twitter gag before it became the start of the game) and that's it.

>>713056965
Doesn't Gaster have one scar running on the bottom of one of his eyes and another scar running from the top of his other eye? I'm sorry to say it, but this shit's incredibly forced.

>>713056986
ts!underswap is genuinely good. forgive them the name.

>>713057035
Titan Spawn look like fetuses
The Titan is a "guardian"

>>713056986
Undertale yellow and Undertale red

>>713056470
>>713056809
No idea if this will become a future plot point but worth nothing that he has at LEAST 2 ThornRings

>>713053763
kek

>>713057115
the guy behind undertale red actually works on deltarune now. he makes bullet patterns.

>>713057023
Genuinely don't worry about it. Most of the stuff we can figure about FRIEND is esoteric knowledge that doesn't directly connect to are substantially change what we know about the story.

>>713057158
Are you serious? Thats actually great to know glad he made it

>>713056847
>the egg did nothing except make strange sounds
You know Pipis also does nothing except occasionally make a weird sound if you have one in your inventory. Even if the egg and pipis are separate entities, there might still be some connection here. Maybe the Pipi is Spamton's poor imitation of an egg.

>Kris eats a whole apple (including its core) during the weird route
>Susie ate half an apple (including its core) during the_n3w3st_g1rl_g1rl
What's up with those two and apples...

>>713057135
WHO IS GIVING HIM THESE RINGS I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY ONE

>>713056470
>Thorn Ring is The One Ring
How the FUCK did I not draw this connection yet with The Lord of the Hammer?!
>>713057135
Yeah he says you should have bought 2, maybe it's replay shenanigans with timelines

>all the fan art portrays Toriel as the abject monster that she is when the artguments that lead too the break up start happening
>majority of toriel fags are so desperate too color they're mom they want too fuck as innocent they try too say Asgore is a literal patriarchal white supremacist
why are these fags like this

>>713057158
I bet he was behind the knight delayed sword attack

>>713057135
wouldn't this mean you could hypothetically make the twisted sword and let noelle keep her ring?

>>713056914
That's just to illustrate it to those who don't see it. I saw it too before the edit.

>>713057186
I want to have sex with Noelle

>>713055974
I'm not really seeing the themes
>the heroes
>the schizophrenics
>the tvfags
>the irrelevant
?

>>713057023
It's the thing that Spamton was talking to that made him a BIG SHOT, a kind of Schroedinger's Cheshire cat-thing that brings fortune in money and love that Noelle hatched out of an egg the Tree Man gave her. It's called FRIEND because that's what it's called in the game files when it pops up ominously out of nowhere, we don't know what its real name is. We first saw it in the basement where you fight Spamton NEO during Chapter 2, see pic, and a bunch of stuff from the extra materials on Noelle's blog. Then we got a LOT more information in 3/4.

>>713057194
its the only case of fan ascendancy i know of in utdr. probably the strongest case for playing it is it sold toby on the dev.

>>713057115
>>713057158
Yeah Undertale Red is the one that I was referencing
It was cool, guy earned the position

>>713057135
I mean, the Thorn ring is just a literal thorn, if somehow a rose made it to the library and was thorn apart there should be a lot of them there

>>713057023
a spooky smiley face that shows up for a split second in the mansion basement in ch2
it's called 'image_friend' in the files and shows up here and there in a couple other places in ch3 & 4, most notably in the cutscene where ralsei is explaining what dark worlds are
it has pink and yellow eyes, which is noteworthy because that colour pair keeps showing up with strange objects and characters who've gone insane

>>713057112
Oh, well that explains it. Thanks!

>>713056470
so far yes, but theres no telling how evil something like Ralsei or Noelle might become, or how different Kris ends up compared to (you)

>>713057035
Maybe they're a barrier meant to keep people from going to far into the dark. Sort of like how some games will put super powerful enemies in the out of bounds areas to kill any player that wanders too far.

Tenna Merchant https://files.catbox.moe/xi7d6u.png

>>713057263
>far left retards in far left echo chambers are retarded and have political lenses on for everything
waow dood, really man?

>>713057289
>It's the thing that Spamton was talking to that made him a BIG SHOT
100% conjecture btw, this guy is talking out of his ass

>>713053210
Toby had some fucking gall to end chapter 2 with this thing's face only for him to not reveal basically anything about it in the following 2 chapters years later

>>713057135
you can actually get two thorn rings with the overflow glitch if you do snowgrave after
you can also get two eggs if you do normal route, and still have the ring
iirc toby didn't patch it for 'speedrunning purposes', but i think it might be more important than that

>>713057427
its a good theory

>>713052128
Deltarune has not strayed from it's course and it's been in development for 10 years straight.

It's actually impressive that it didn't go meta. This was a completely reasonable prediction and Toby bucked expectations yet again.

>>713057427

>>713057289
i dont think its at all confirmed that the 'friend' smile and whoever called him on the phone are the same person
specially considering the phone is said to be garbage noise (note 17/gasterman)

>>713057086
A shitty fangame with really high production value. The art, music, and game design are good, but its ruined by comically bad writing.

>>713057417
Based

>>713057456
It was Tenna's face, dummy

>>713057263
Make Asgore gay then suddenly they change their tune

>>713057417
what's he trying to sell me?

>>713057427
Considering Spamton straight up confirms his face looks like that because of his encounter with FRIEND that makes it at least clear the one corrupting Spamton was FRIEND.

>>713053363
>2 frame bounce
>2 frame bounce at horrendous framerate
Garbage. Actual Garbage. Chrono Trigger did bouncing correctly.

Do you think there will ever be another chapter like 2 and 3?
4 takes this very different turn where its more about the mission and the plot, rather than some escapism world with some ridiculous silly ruler, made me wonder if all future chapters would be more like that

>>713057249
>How the FUCK did I not draw this connection yet with The Lord of the Hammer?!
Fuck, neither did I.

>>713057520
Ah okay

>>713057536
oh yeah I misremembered

>>713057582
Chapter 4 did have a ruler, the twist was that he was benevolent.

>>713057582
I think Chapter 5's shaping up to be a silly chapter.

>>713057561
I kinda like these superimposed over real life ones

>>713053381
This is when you put a tripwire or weight sensor tied to the outer door to automatically lock him in.

How hard is this game compared to undertale's genocide route? I remember not being able to beat sans years ago and i don't want to buy a game just to be stuck at a boss fight because i'm too much of a casual.

>>713057464
>Toby makes glitches canon
Would be kino

>>713053363
Soul/soulless

>>713057582
Chapter 5 is when shit hits the fan so not very likely, maybe if you're lucky it'll be the very last silly adventure

>>713057561
>Toriel Activly prays for Asgore in the church
>fans think asgore is a KREEP for actively perusing toriel and NEEDS TOO LEAVE THE POOR INDEPENDENT WAMAN ALONE

do fans really even play this game

>>713057647
my advice is to close /v/ and never post here again you disgusting shitter dog

>>713057628
why do you think that?

>>713057627
nah, gerson wasn't the ruler. he was just chilling.

You know what else is pink and yellow?

>>713057647
there is a fight many people believe to be at least on par with Sans at around the halfway point of deltarune so good luck lol

>>713056145
it's not a terribly insightful critique, but MHA is very guilty of it, because the rest of the setting has been plastered on top of the most basic SUPERHERO SCHOOL premise
you don't need to be batman or knuckleduster to fuck up most capes with a sneak attack, and nobody just uses guns

>>713057628
Not for Weird route. Not after "Thank you."

>>713057562
I thought Spamton was trying to emulate Swatch at that time.

>>713057678
i did not mean too make this a reply too the other post i am sorry

I just want to see Asgore be happy.
He lost his job, his family and hes in indebted servitude to this world's hillary clinton, most of the fanbase shits on him.
Just cut him a break already.

>>713057158
A few of the Knight's attacks are just harder versions of Red's attacks.

>>713057714
The watercooler?

>>713057693
okay, well, you're an idiot what else is there to say?
chapter 4 did have a silly ruler. sorry that it went over your head

>>713057647
its doable outside of one boss who you'll probably struggle with. sans is very hard and i couldn't beat him either but i got my shit together for the one in this game.

My eyes hurt.

>>713057556
a narrative

>>713057086
Another fangame that fell victim to not understanding Gaster's character

>>713057739
Swatch thinks so but Spamton mentions [communion] with [inelligible laughter]

>>713057678
You are supposed to pray even for people you hate and/or think are a bad person.

>>713057752
what, you mean jackenstein? miss mizzle? jack was a nervous outcast, miss mizzle was just a miniboss without much presence in the chapter. there's no 'ruler'

"The Knight" is knowledgeable of Dark Worlds and extremely powerful within them. They are not feral. They are, in some sense, a Lightner— Chapter 3's ending and Gerson's testimony seem to confirm this. They're familiar with Kris and, likely, the Shelter code-holders in Hometown. They had some form of access to the Shelter at the end of Chapter 3. They likely collected Undyne for a "police sacrifice." They were strong enough to carry her from Kris' house to the Shelter faster than Susie could run there.
Is "the Knight" one person? A group of people? Do they keep their Dark World appearance in the Light World as the Black Shard from their sword seems to? Do they keep their abilities in the Light World? Is their armor a sort of power suit that anyone can wear? They're implied to be able to remove it in Chapter 4 despite its strange, fluid form.
What the hell is this character going to do?

>>713057562
Where does he say this?

>>713056683
i literally just had this thought and was about to post this the instant i opened this thread and saw this post
why the FUCK are you in my head

>>713057158
What are the chances of seeing Red in Deltarune at all?

>>713057790
fun fight
beat him second try after not fighting him in years on the simulator

>>713057689
Asgore's the main boss of the Chapter. It's probably going to be a more character-focused Chapter and deal with the strained relationship between Kris and Asgore and figuring out Asgore's role in all this, similar to how Tenna fleshed out Kris's home life.

>>713057726
I imagine that Chapter 5 won't be plot-heavy normally, but you and Noelle will be able to fuck things up so badly that the events of Chapter 5 just won't come to pass.

>>713057876
Jack is on a really weird spot as ruler because of Gerson's existence.

>>713057876
it's GERSON NIGGA
He is just like queen and tenna

>>713055162
https://deltarune.com/update-092020/

>>713055420
Toby did not have a rough draft of the ENTIRE script of the game prepared in 2012. Not even close.
Toby had his fever dream showing him "the ending of a game" he became inspired to create in mid-2011. That was only the start of Deltarune's conceptualization, and he took inspiration from many other things he was working on and seeing at the time (Homestuck, Kanotyne's Card Kingdom designs) and in the years since (Undertale).
Toby kept thinking about Deltarune while working on Undertale but work didn't begin on it properly until some time after Undertale's release, and Chapter 1's development only laid the foundation for the rest of the game as Toby realized he was in over his head and if it was just him and Temmie and a few others trying to do this the game would never come out.
The project was basically rebooted (almost literally since they seriously considered switching from GameMaker) when the actual Detlarune development team was brought together, and Toby spent a lot of that time between 2018-2020 working out how the rest of the game would actually go. Even then, we know that some significant changes have happened - we know that Queen was originally going to be a more serious villain before she became more comedic, Spamton NEO was born out of plans for a more proper Mettaton NEO fight that didn't originally involve him, and while Tenna was probably always meant to be some kind of foil to Spamton some aspects of that definitely got played up in light of Spamton's runaway popularity; in particular the entire "Mike" character was seemingly invented in response to fans running away with the idea after Chapter 2.

TL;DR Deltarune has been in development in some form for almost 15 years, it has changed a lot over that time and is still not set in stone even now.

I choose to believe Dess is the Knight because the main villain of the game being some old bitch isn't appealing to me

>>713056470
thanks for making me feel like a retard for not seeing that obvious connection
kino toby

>>713057561
Absolutely vile pairing

>>713057951
but he isn't a ruler. none of the other darkners are even aware of his existence. he has no ties to the realm. he's basically a wandering shopkeep.

>>713055162
>>Made a "first pass" of all the dialogue
ok man if you fell for that one I have an extended warranty to offer you
kek

>>713057427
>>713057495
It's conjecture, but it's backed by evidence.
>Tenna wanted the secret of how Spamton became a big shot
>Spamton seemingly stiffed him, but this was the moment his partner left which ended with him destitute
>Maneki-neko, the little coin cat things with the moving arms, give different kinds of luck - pink is luck in love, gold is luck in money.
>Spamton's pink and yellow glasses increase how much money you get, as well as something else...?
>Two Spamton Network sweepstakes events: Spamton VALUE (yellow) and Spamton LOVE (pink)
>Tenna made a room for Mike
>It's got a pink and yellow lock, and is filled with Cat Petterz stuff
>which is where FRIEND came from
>FRIEND is inside the Mike room

>>713057582
No, and I don't like that fact.

>>713051906
Well Undertale has roots as a mod Toby was making for Mother/Earthbound from memory. It used RPG Maker 2000 at some point, later gamemaker. It's surprising it looks that good at all.

Delta is definitely doing engine things, but I'm not sure what. It uses an updated gamemaker engine, but I'm pretty sure it's tweaked to do things Undertale's engine couldn't.

TOTAL
TWINK
DEATH

>>713057951
Gerson wasn't even in the main fountain area which was in the main chapel hall, he was in the outer dark world and based in Alvin's office which is a side room.

>>713057582
Chapter 3 was a trip and definitely the best (gameplay and humour-wise) one so far. Tenna is the best.

>>713057970
the ONLY thing that is set in stone is the ending, that is the main reason toby even started working on the game, because he had some fever dream about it.

>>713058063
not even a barafag but I would immediately kneel if toby revealed this to be his design

>>713057427
>>713057482
Why are they peeping each other like that?

>>713057980
>Dess
>some old bitch
Anon?

>>713057876
It was clearly the fire extinguisher.

>>713055817
>So what would happen if you stabbed a person while trying to make a dark fountain?
Nothing. You need to pierce the Earth (the ground). The darkness is explicitly (metaphorically) beneath the Light World.

>>713052651
Susie also greatly dislikes her and avoids her home.
Hmmm...

Child abuse?

>>713057647
So far none of the Sans tier fights have been mandatory, but they main fights are already getting to the point that they're harder than Asgore, and the game is only halfway through.

>>713057582
I think chapter 5 will be less heavy than 4 on the normal route, it'll be weird route where it gets fucked.

>>713058112
Carol is the old bitch.

>>713058004
>none of the other darkners are even aware of his existence
you're using headcanon to disagree with me now? really? and a particularly stupid headcanon too, because half the darkners chill out in his study and a bunch of the others reference it in dialogue

>>713058112
Anon, he meant Carol.

>>713058105
>not even a barafag
you are.

>>713057582
I have the theory that chapter 5 will be the last traditional chapter, and it will be the "end" of the timeline

>>713058112
I'm saying it would suck if it's Carol and not Dess

>>713058105
It's more likely than you think

>>713051845
Subhuman behavior. Get outta here.

>>713058109
same energy

>>713057724
>MHA
is that what that gif is from?

>>713058142
>>713058157
>>713058163
Shit, sorry, forgot how to read for a second there.

>>713057980
Dess is the Knight but Carol will also be the main villain because Kris and the Knight are trying to mess with her plans.

>>713056914
these theories are Pissing me off
im the original titan

>>713058109
Diagonal sprites are the most powerful in the world

>>713057582
The silly tone got cleaved in three at the end of chapter three. Its PLOT o' clock now

>>713058148
be real man. he's not their goddamn 'ruler.' jackenstein goes to his study. i think some of the others briefly mention him. this is in no way analogous to the way the previous darkners talked about tenna, queen, and king, as dominating rulers determining everything about their lives.

>>713058236
that's acceptable

>>713057860
whuh

>>713057263
>it's another episode of "anon makes up people to get mad at"

>>713058105
His mom and dad are huge, so he will probably look like when he is older.
But for a college freshman, he is probably super lanky

>>713052651
Christ just look at her

>>713058034
>yellow and pink lucky cats give money and love
>money and love
>and love
>LOVE
Oh fuck this is why FRIEND wants you to kill people, it's bringing you LOVE, not love.

>>713058294
>>713057860
this sentiment frightens and confuses the american evangelical mind

>>713058315
LOVE may not necessarily mean the same thing this time around, I don't think he's going to repeat that theme

>>713052651
he did it because it was funny you fucken autist hahahaha

>>713058301
it was on tumblr, anon. I know the bar is so fucking low on tumblr that its on the ground but you find all kind of retarded niggers on there

>>713057842
>not understanding Gaster's character
how can you say that when we know literally nothing about gaster

>>713057882
Why does it drool and slink around like a corpse though? I think its like Kris is when he's without his soul. Sort of a shambling mess with poor motor control.

>>713058315
>LOVE FINDS ITS WAY TO THE GIRL.
This is why I think the part Susie broke was along the lines of "THE GIRL MUST DESTROY HER LOVE" and it's why Toby had Susie break it before we could see it because everyone would know what the deal is.

>>713058373
The game FRIEND had you play was just you killing people to level up and nothing else.

>Kris on masterminding on Neutral route

>>713057860
cs lewis talks about this

>>713056470
>what if the One Ring was sold by a greasy used car salesman
hysterical concept

>>713058294
It's true. Just look up Luke 6:27–28.

>>713056683
It's defending the TRUE DARK
>Darkness said to be grown underneath the earth
>Fountains are made when you stab the earth
>Fountains release the Darkness into the world of the light, creating Temporary Dark Worlds
>When you make a Fountain inside one of these Temporary Darkworlds, you open a direct link to the Underworld
>The Titan guards the gate to the Underworld
>However, Fun Gang seals the fountain, closing the gate and returning the Titan to the Underworld
Carol and Friends are using the Dark World in the Bunker to try to gain entrance to the Underworld for whatever reason. Likely has to do with why they've fucked with Gaster's Vessel Plan.

>>713058428
>Vs Kris when we make him do Snowgrave

>>713058396
trust me. they misunderstood gaster's character. if it's possible to do it, they did it.

>>713058389
>i deliberately logged onto a website full of people that i do not like and now i am mad. how could this be happening to me?!

>>713058428
>Kris
>Mastermind
They're just a puppet of Carol kek

>>713053043
Oh no, is Disney being fucking gay?
He's had DRM issues with HIS OWN published content at times. I don't even know how he managed to do that.
Put it this way, Megalovania is censored on most twitch streams and I doubt Toby wanted that. It's an absurd situation and I don't know what's going on legally, but it reeks of lawyers. Kinda scary.
This is the thing, this game got MASSIVE and then the vultures probably tried to get pieces of that pie. That's my guess.

>>713058396
to be fair including Gaster at all is a complete misunderstanding

he should never appear as anything more than a deeply embedded background mystery, and he shouldn't even be close to properly explained

>>713058516
i actually love tumblr quite a bit especially for the fact that I grew up on there. its the toriel dick riders that i hate

>>713058373
Fun fact, the Thorn Ring leaves your HP at exactly 55. In roman numbers, 55 = LV

>>713058389
as opposed to an intellectual place such as /v/?

>>713053043
i love how this guy does rantsona poses

>>713058105
Of course you would kneel if you were infront of this Asriel,you slut

>>713058526
We don't know that yet, but we do know he's manipulating and masterminding Susie and Ralsei

>>713058591
no no no no I know everyone heres retarded too.

>>713052128
surprised there's so much cocksucking responses
it is prudent to remember how creative successes often come from "throwing shit at the wall" and "complete coincidence that wasn't intended by developers" approaches, so "trusting the plan" is wrong fundamentally
i'd say the biggest homestuck-inherited issue is the terrible episodic pace, all due to the fact that toby didn't have the guts to commit to the "chapter 1 is the demo, and i don't wanna spend 7 years on one project" part
i've seen far too many projects on the internet lose momentum as creators lost interest themselves, and deltarune's trajectory is not too good i must admit

>>713058294
did you miss the whole "love your enemies" part of the bible?

>>713058396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLkRBhDJu2c
I'd say they completely misunderstood even the little bit we know about Gaster.

>>713058580
>>713058591
no hes right you can't complain about finding overly defensive feminists on tumblr, thats like complaining about incels on /v/ or complaining about moderation on reddit. shits retarded.

>>713058586
Isn't that just a happy coincidence? I think the ThornRing drains the HP of whoever wears it until it's a certain proportion of the max HP.

>>713058669
considering you get the Thorn ring after getting rid of everyone, I doubt thats a coincidence that the Thorn ring's effect would place the health exactly at 55.

>>713058658
oh my fucking god

>>713058653
im not religious, anon. I was never raised too be Christian or catholic

>>713058658
>AIEEEE GASTER-SAMA PLEASE DON'T PUT YOUR FRIEND INSIDE MEEEE

Reminder that Gaster's characterization so far has been a schizo in love with the player yume-style.

>>713058424
Yeah, but they're not real, just like Darkners
If we actually have someone level in the Light World through murder, I'll eat my shoe(metaphorically)
>>713058470
If it's the Underworld, they're probably trying to save Dess
It would make sense that she fell into the deepest pits of it and was trapped, reflecting the Unused dialogue that's datamined in every chapter
>>713058586
>>713058669
ThornRing depletes health to 1/3rd, it's really just a coincidence since that's her health

>>713057582
No considering that it's not entirely unreasonable to believe that Asgore will either die during Chapter 5 or be affected in a way too meaningful to go back to silly antics

anyone have the link to that mod which gives the borders on pc

>>713058273
>copies are monochrome
bros

>>713058649
To be fair, I don't think Toby could've predicted getting debilitating wrist problems to the point where he had to rely on dual trackballs and voice commands in order to do literally anything.

I LIKE YOU, KRIS, DON'T COME TO THE FESTIVAL TOMORROW

THEY'LL ALL SEE

>>713058373
"You've been making [[hyperlink blocked]]" implies that the hyperlink blocked is LOVE and that makes LOVE a double entendre for sex and level of violence. Which lines up perfectly with the rest of the weird route thematically. I think it is the same LOVE as in Undertale.

>>713058658
who would debase themselves by working for these writers. working for free, to make THIS SCRIPT into something playable. what a fucking tragedy.

I just hope we can fuck with Kris life and make it more horrible for chapter 5 that little shit ain't surviving chapter 7 sane

>>713058102
>the ONLY thing that is set in stone is the ending
With uh everything about The Prophecy in Chapter 4, the existence of the Weird Route, and even the game's marketing questioning "one ending...?" I really don't know about that
I mean how many layers of metanarrative are we on? Wasn't the whole reason Gaster invited us to this world to "MAKE A NEW FUTURE"?
Is this a game about how a game can only have one ending, or a game about how people want a different ending than what the author wants? I wonder, I wonder

What's that place at the very start of the game? Where if you use the phone you get gaster noise.

>>713053210
There is definately:
>Kris
>The SOUL
>You the player

As three separate entities now. I don't know what's going on by separating the soul from the player now. But it's definitely clear that Kris is rejecting your control over him. He doesn't want to cooperate. It used to feel like a bit of a gag, but now it's definitely the core of the game and will probably drive the plot from here on.

Toby was already asking similar meta questions with Undertale (mainly Sans and Asriel pointing it out), but this one is almost trying to get the MC Kris/Soul to react directly to the player as a character. It's very curious. The idea of what you want and what the character you play actually wants being in conflict is very disturbing. People love to torment their character... now I'm kinda perturbed from that.

>>713058784
>If we actually have someone level in the Light World through murder, I'll eat my shoe(metaphorically)
Chapter 5 is the Field of Pink and Gold, where Asgore is going to go nuts and probably drag the entire festival into the Dark World. The cat is going to offer Asgore Toriel's LOVE. He's going to get it by killing her.

>>713058850
I am on board with this, but it can also be interpreted as [Choices] since none of yours matter at all so far

>>713056470
>>713058449
>spamton is the gollum of deltarune, and will be the one to end friend for good

Asgore should just fuck off at this point I was fucking dying of cringe during the bush scene and in the Holiday mansion

>>713058834
https://gamejolt.com/games/nxrune/629072

>>713058904
>Third entity shitter
stopped reading this

>>713058904
>I don't know what's going on by separating the soul from the player now.
I've said it before, but the SOUL is almost certainly Frisk. It explains their knowledge of Undertale perfectly, they lived through it...and it also explains why they're so happy to go along with whatever the fuck we want.

>>713058931
Just when I thought things couldn't get worse than the eggs husband scene, they somehow do
It's like I'm watching a car crash in slow motion.

>>713058658
lmfao
ive never played a fangame but this is how i imagine they all are

>>713058408
>poor motor control
Anon this doesn't properly describe Kris or the Knight. Kris snipes us with chocolate syrup and the Knight's attacks are calculated. Now, the Knight may not be entirely self-directed; it could become drooling and beastly when not under someone else's influence. As for Kris at this point I think their weird posture is partly a silly way to hide their face from us

>>713057678
>>713057860
Toriel might not love Asgore anymore but she still resents Carol for turning him into her emasculated manservant and enabling him to stay fixated on Dess's case (and by extension, the idea that he can fix his family) instead of getting back on his feet and moving on with his life
She doesn't want to see him like that, she definitely doesn't want their children to see him like that

>the soul is frisk

>>713058931
don't worry, he'll only get more pathetic as the game goes on. and it'll be his own fault.

>>713058950
thanks

>>713058658
why does the fucking channel that uploaded this have so many subs. why is there an audience for this shit. has it really gotten that bad?

>>713058658
Was this the fangame that had Dess implying Gaster is a pedo?

>>713059027
>it could become drooling and beastly when not under someone else's influence.
That was it crying, not drooling. The Shadow Crystals are made from its tears.

>>713058890
using the phone anywhere in the dark world makes gaster noise

>>713058985
What if the SOUL is just US and that explains our knowledge of Undertale because we played it?

>>713059041
Nah, Carol seems to also want him to fucking get his shit together going by the "PLEASE STOP GIVING AWAY FLOWERS YOU RETARD" note she left in his shop

>>713058904
the soul is clearly just our projection unto the game
it has no will of its own because we are it for the purpose of the game, it's our connection to it

>>713058470
If this is true, I've got a feeling we're going to see them enter the Underworld and close the door behind them, only for us to use the "True Dark" Fountain that makes up Castle town to follow, aren't we?

>>713052651
I can't find it, but imagine I posted that fanart where Kris is telling Alphys "Please stop talking about how hot my parents are"

>>713058904
Joke's on Toby, I love games where I'm only in indirect control of the game's characters and would prefer Kris and I reach an agreement where I just give him basic suggestions instead of micromanaging his entire life.

>>713059074
Because he's one of the top Undertale speedrunners, he didn't make that shit he just played it.

https://youtu.be/8BUKHLVCJio?t=29

>>713058413
there's no way it doesn't involve one of the main 3 dying. susie wouldn't get so mad about it if she didn't know who it was

the order she says "you wouldn't let that happen in" suggests ralsei to me, idk what vibe others got from it.

>>713059084
I was replaying the video game after completing chapter 4 to see if i missed anything and i guess i forgot that
Still, what is that place?

Does Toby like Ghost in the Shell?
Because I'm now getting a similar vibe with the concept of "player controlled character" here.
The game went from a silly gag spin off to something "a little more serious" somehow for me with ch 4.

>>713059041
anon Im going to be very real with you most fans (especially on /v/) is just going too read your interpretation, which is very flattering too Toriels relationship too asgore in this game which is seemingly extremely negative and bitter. too be that Toriel hates Carol for helping Asgore out

>>713059094
Can't be, timeline doesn't fit. SOUL was there way before we were. At the very least, before Susie transferred into class. The SOUL has to be their own person, just like literally every other SOUL we've ever seen in this series.

trying to theorize between the soul and the player versus frisk frustrates me to no end because the divide between frisk and (You) is vague as fuck in undertale to begin with

>>713059102
she's definitely not helping by making him a maid sqautter, though

>>713059143
>top Undertale speedrunners
why would you speedrun a game that's 90% diaogue skipping sounds miserable and pathetic

>>713057643
What you do is put a dog turd at the very bottom o the bowl so no one else notices except the little shit that pours everything into his backpack and gets a lawn cigar

Where's the Freedom Motif in Chapter 3?

>>713059102
>not even the scariest retard wrangler in town can get him under control
Shit's so fucking grim.

>>713058743
Well the entire point of the religion is to love and offer forgiveness and repentance to everyone. Even the with the worst sinners, you're supposed to want them to repent and return to the light of the lord, not to see them suffer.

That's Jesus's dying breaths were spent begging for mercy for his executioners. And his most loyal followers were originally ardent enemies of Christianity.

>>713059156
Could be cool

>>713059192
at the beginning of chapter 1? it's the wastes, just an empty area filled with dust, probably just a dusty part of the floor IRL.

>>713059094
Nah the SOUL is definitely it's own character entity now. You control it, but it controls Kris.
Kris and the SOUL distinguish each other to the point where the SOUL is no longer your mere input and is even moving beyond a mere avatar for you.

>>713059143
they*

>>713059235
Do you want him to be fully homeless instead?

>>713059238
Because you can use the punch card glitch to skip cutscenes and fights, as well as teleport to the other side of rooms you're entering.

Fingers in his ass
Fingers in his ass
Kanye West likes fingers in his ass
Fingers in his ass
Fingers in his ass
Kanye West likes big fingers in his ass

>>713058997
They're not all like that. A lot of them are, but some are actually good. Like Red and UTY (not to be confused with Red and Yellow, which is bad).

>>713059121
No, the SOUL does things that you cannot control at times. It's definitely it's own character. It feels like how Kris used to feel for me.

>>713058109
>one in the light, one in the dark; the last time they met as friends

>>713059161
it might be something far more extreme destroying and recreating the world
it would track with how susie often says she wishes the gang could be together like they are forever

>>713059292
he has a whole ass flower shop that he's too incompetently nice to manage, drill his ass into that instead

>>713059102
She's subsidizing his business and is also his landlord, she doesn't want him to give away flowers because it's costing her money

>>713059206
>Toriels relationship too asgore in this game which is seemingly extremely negative and bitter
Asgore has given her clearly unwanted flowers flowers three times in three days, twice in humiliating public displays where he was clearly waiting for her and the third through proxy of their child who he does not have custody of. If she was "extremely" negative and bitter about it she wouldn't be politely excusing herself from these situations, she would have a restraining order.

>>713059080
For what it's worth, the files call it drooling iirc

>>713059326
Dess heard this right before she died

>>713054476
>BLM
eww

>>713059326
Komaeda-kun...

>>713059284
>>713059227
>retards
we take control of kris' soul and we are outside the game. the timeline does not have to make sense. we as the player are outside of the games timelines entirely and can play either game first and know either game first
>MUH FRISK NEEDS TO BE IN THE GAAAME!

The thorn ring works IRL btw. Pain induces endorphin release, which inhibits anxiety.

The soul is simply treating Noelle's neurotic personality.

>>713059346
>the SOUL does things that you cannot control at times.
like what? actually don't bother replying because you'll just point out game abstractions

>mfw "You were used up"

>>713059326
this literally ruined the original song for me because i can no longer listen to it without singing these lyrics in my head

>>713058874
>Is this a game about how a game can only have one ending, or a game about how people want a different ending than what the author wants?
is there a difference between the two?

>>713053363
>metaton is square
>has a circular shadow
Huh???

>>713059391
i still don't think this would make her have such a violent reaction if it didn't involve someone she already cares about getting hurt

faggots on twitter are getting mad over this mod and begging for the gamebanana page to get remove lol

look at this fucking brat smirk
needs correction big time

>>713059492
i can only remember up to "yes pinky" and "till the butthole goes numb"

>>713059403
anon you forget that the average ... idk even know what too call them. blueskumbltwitard still thinks Toriel fucking hates asgore too extreme degree and handwaves Sans "befriending her" as his attempt too save her from the constant public harrasments.

>>713059541
>UGH, WHAT IS THIS LIGGER DOING?

>>713057726
Chapter 2 was a silly chapter too
and then the blizzard hit

>>713058874
by now i have a feeling toby's fever dream was all about breaking a prophecy, not fulfilling it

>>713055842
Mommy?

>>713059541
I want her to molest me

>>713059563
anons are also guilty of that, some actually think it's plausible she burns down asgore's store

>>713053551
bnha

>>713059538
>people are getting mad because of a ragebait mod
shocking!

>>713059639
>its rage bait bc I don’t like it!!!!
ok retard

>>713059538
holy kek

>>713059326
ASGORE DREEMURR LIKES
BONERS IN HIS WIFE

>>713059463
No I mean the timeline DOES NOT FIT. The SOUL cannot just be an avatar for us. We've been inside Deltarune for three days, the SOUL has been inside Kris for at least a few months and maybe up to a few years. Susie knows Kris decently well since she initially focused her bullying on them. Noelle describes how Kris is with the SOUL in control as acting strange, but Susie has never known Kris as anything else. If the SOUL was just a player avatar, then Kris's behaviour would have only changed on the day that we first entered the Dark World with Susie.

>>713054908
>proceeds to create extremely stereotypical gay characters

Toby is a fucking moron

>>713059027
I think they've got the hellsing vampire thing going on, where they can alternate from shambling zombie to super fast ninja on the turn of a dime. It probably takes a lot of effort to do, so their natural relaxed stance is that shambling zombie one.

>>713059563
I feel people are projecting Undertale Toriel (who utterly hates Asgore for murdering several children out of cowardice) into this one. Toriel has been unbelievably patient with the fucker by this point, I would have told him to kill himself by the bush scene

>>713053043
>"The field of Pink and Gold is burned in an inferno of jealousy"
It took me too long to realize the Pink and Yellow, because it was "Gold".

>>713059683
>We've been inside Deltarune for three days, the SOUL has been inside Kris for at least a few months and maybe up to a few years
okay? but we're in full control of the soul. we control it, it has no sentience. we are controlling kris by controlling their soul. we are outside the timeline of the games. we have not been in the game for three days, the game in our world has existed for months. we are not bound by their ingame time.

>>713059698
Maybe ripping out their SOUL just really fucking hurts, and it takes a while for them to recover from the pain?

>>713059080
I think its both. Its eye is also a mouth.

Everyone thinks we are going to switch to Susie as the protag later, but I think it will be Dess.

>>713059635
i mean True. idk if this dicotomy is just emblematic of /v/'s and tumtwittersky's politial leaning though and not being able too read inbetween the lines of the characters relationships trying too find the good and bad in both of them.

>>713055842
She's definitely going to become the Snow Queen.

>>713059538
does anyone manage to snag the mod, I actually want this

>>713059683
>This retard is so desperate for a third entity he's saying that if time doesn't line up IRL with deltarune's time in-game that means we can't be the soul
Autism

>>713059763
>findher.ogg
>she finds (You) first

>>713059541
>You can't beat us in the Light World, can you?! That's... why you keep running, isn't it?
>kfw

>>713059683
Not to dogpile but there's no evidence that the Soul has been present before the game starts.

>>713059578

>>713059763
how about all of them?
Susie for regular, Dess for Twisted, Noelle for Snowgrave

>>713059660
no, it's ragebait because nobody genuinely thinks that their experience will be improved by using this mod and it's obvious that the author of the mod made it purely to "own the libs". (in fact, /v/ told me that the they/them pronouns are just to allow the player to self-insert, so why is a mod even needed? :^) )

>>713059747
If the SOUL has no sentience, who's been controlling Kris for the entire school year when we weren't there? If you can give me a satisfactory answer to that I'll gladly concede this.

>>713056963
what's with the getter robo ralsei posts?

>>713059683
Who's to say we're the first soul Kris has had
Carol has a whole house of heart shaped objects anon
The kid seems pretty adept at handling us, unless the soul starts flexing its muscles like in snowgrave

>>713059683
>If the SOUL was just a player avatar, then Kris's behaviour would have only changed on the day that we first entered the Dark World with Susie.
This is exactly what Noelle and Toriel and other people close to Kris and around town noted in Chapter 1 and 2. Kris is acting unusual. Kris seems unwell.
Even in the screenshot you posted, Noelle is saying "recently." She's not talking about how they changed years ago when they stopped being friends, she's talking about this week.

>>713059763
this would explain the raise up your bat lyrics actually
>Come follow me into the dark
>With your heart as the ark
>Which shall shine you the way
>Because I'm with you in the dark
>With your heart as my mark
>Which shall guide you the way, through the waves
the SOUL is an ark (she needs it to escape the dark world) and her mark (it's gonna be inside her)

>>713059864
Ore no stando da [ BUDD DWYER ]

>>713059912
Kris. Duh.

>>713059912
Kris has been controlling Kris. Susie simply doesn't interact with them enough to know the difference.
>they spoke to her one time
Not enough.

>>713059683
>the SOUL has been inside Kris for at least a few months and maybe up to a few years
recently can mean 3-4 days too

>>713059780
That mod only goes up to chapter 2. I think it hasn't been updated for chapters 3&4 yet.

>>713059914
Three. as in he gets the least amount of screen time outside of fanfair

>>713059241
ORIGINAL PRANKSTER

>>713059874
my experience would be improved by this mod because the usage of they/them pronouns for kris comes off as stilted and redundant :^)

My bet: The player will control other players like the SOUL does for Kris to defeat the SOUL.

The Knight is a nelo angelo armor puppeting Dess

>>713059791
>Dess gets to have steamy sex with Undyne

>>713059515
thats just how shadows work

>>713059965
saw this one while lurking on gamebanana, it goes up to the newest chapter
https://gamebanana.com/mods/601192
enjoy /v/

>>713059912
Noelle is the one that know Kris the most, and the moment she saw Kris in the hospital in chapter 1, she knew something was wrong

>Kris' final theme samples of 'Only a Lad' by Oingo Boingo
This would be the funniest shit.

>>713057292
>its the only case of fan ascendancy i know of in utdr.
Thank god

>>713059238
Speedrunners are incredibly, no, stupendously autistic
There's a reason the whole scene is trooned out now

>Dad walks in
>son what the sam hell faggoty ass game are you playing?

how do you save yourself before facing the assbeating of a life time

>>713060171
I say it's porn

>>713059639
>ragebait mod
But the character only uses they/them pronouns because its intentionally ambiguous for self inserting purposes. Why would it matter if someone wants to change it to be specifically male/female if thats how they self insert or see the character?

People are acting like you can only use they/them for LGBT people

>>713060171
I simply wouldn't be in that situation.

>>713059864
Holy shit man lmfao

>>713059683
Kris has a save file at the start of deltarune, and it only gets overwritten when (you) make a save. If the soul were already in control prior to (you) arriving, then it would have its own save file.

>>713060171
If you aren't strong enough to beat your dad in a fight then he still owns you and you have to listen to him. If you're stronger, just tell him to fuck off.

>>713059538
Holy shit last time I saw the mod it was 8 comments now it's 64 people are really balding over it

>>713060103
Yeah it stopped being about playing good speedrunning game around when covid happened. A lot of older runners are getting a bit tired of these autistic fucks that do shit like that.

>>713059463
Kris has been taking out his Soul long before we're forced into his body, somethings definitely been going on before the game starts.

>>713060212
but you have too, anon

>>713060171
both my cousin and dad told me the game was weird because of the pixel graphics

>>713060103
how can you be a sizable youtuber and also autistic enough to be a top undertale speedrunner? the two seem mutually contradictory

>>713052529
I happened to just make the juice combination myself so it's my juice you bitch get your own

>>713060171
Let him take a crack at it and watch him get filtered

>>713060171
pull up my snowgrave save file

>>713060286
your cousins and dad are right anon. im sorry that this is the first taste of reality you've tasted in seven years

>>713059749
Kris still does the zombie thing even after your outside of his body for a while, and nearly keels over after he puts you back in after the dess guitar fight.

>>713059990
>post picture of getter team in hopes of getting a deltarune edit
> almost immediately get one
Damn I'm good.
That said, I hope we can bring the fun gang together by the end to face the roaring. Susie and Ralsei seem ready to fight, so I do hope Kris will overcome whatever his issue is and join the trio in the final fight.

>>713060206
The non-binary crowd fucked it up. The point of Kris' pronouns is so you can identify them as whichever gender you want them to be. It's the exact opposite of the intended purpose. By forcing people to make them see Kris as non-binary, they're pushing their own idenity on to other people.

>>713060248
>Already downloaded the mod
I will reupload this mod when asked and nobody can stop me.

>>713060249
When it was just a few here and there it was like "yeah autists whatever I get it" but it warped the entire scene to be all looney, was crazy to watch happen over time
>>713060297
Youtubers are not normal and 95% of the time not good people
There's something off about literally every single one I swear

>>713060262
Whats wrong with gif???? Its better then mp4.

>>713060358
>SON WHAT ARE YOU DOING TOO THAT POOR GIRL IM BEATING YOUR ASS FOR PLAYING THIS PERVERTED ASS CHINK GAME

>>713060370
>The point of Kris' pronouns is so you can identify them as whichever gender you want them to be
literally not true. kris has a defined identity that is separate from anything (you) might think they actually are. this has been extensively demonstrated for four fucking chapters already how can you still hold onto the self-insert shit

>>713060171
>it's okay dad, I get to rape a girl in the next chapter

>>713060415
at least I'm not called a faggot anymore
so its still my win

>>713060367
Im a deltarune and getter fag, anon. you bet your candy ass I have a edit of that scene with the fuck gang

>>713059838
She probably can kick their asses if she can smash a tube tv to pieces.

>>713060171
Take a page from Dess and beat him up with a baseball bat (I don't own a wiffle ball bat)

>>713060390
>Youtubers are not normal and 95% of the time not good people
yeah sure but like, they have to at least be entertaining to people and not stupendous autists, right?

The Mantle Siblings

>>713060206
>>713060370
>entire point of the character is that they aren't (You)
>actually you're supposed to self-insert as them
This is seven-year-old bait but you guys realize how stupid this makes you sound, right?

>>713059156
>Asgore goes full head down and overpowers the Knight enough to rip it's helmet off
>Loses because he's too shocked at seeing who it is

>>713060206
>Kris is a self-insert
Please play the game.

If Kris didn't use these pronouns people ingame wouldn't use them. They would call him or her him or her, simple as. They don't do that, so they're not using either of these pronouns

>>713060519
I'll only take left, I need total bratty energy.

>>713060461
>>713060487
>IM BEATING YOUR PERVERTED ASS, SON. HOPE YOUR READY FOR THE WHOOPING OF A LIFE TIME

Kris is a MAN

you got a friend in me

>>713060509
lol

>>713060584

>>713060248
>there's more comments than downloads
Damn

>>713058273
>This world is pissing me off

>>713060206
Secondary/Tertiary moment

>>713060509
Sometimes stupendous autism can be entertaining

>>713060592
Niggy wtf is this gif

>>713060556
Non-Binary isn't even a real gender, so which gender is the character to you? Is it a male non-binary, or a female non-binary?
How do you imagine the character?

The developer leaves this ambiguous on purpose so you can go with whatever interpretation seems right for (you), this isn't the first game to do this either.

The idea that non-binary is its own special specific gender is kind of retarded.

>>713060171
We've watched the Kaiketsu Zorori movie together as a family, he wouldn't care about me playing Deltarune.

>>713060606
Built for mini Kris.

>>713060491

>>713060632
FASTER

>>713060661
What is their official gender then? If its not intentionally ambiguous, is Kris a boy or a girl?

>>713060496
>no followthrough
>that form in general
Surprised his little boy wrists didn't explode.

>>713060596
>I only wear it for the stat bonuses
What stat bonuses/buffs would the Mew Mew costume provide?

What Mechs/Mecha would the Deltarune cast pilot

>>713059929
There's two points of behavior change: When the SOUL entered them and when WE entered them. We control what Kris does, but the SOUL controls how Kris talks and acts, which is why you get this:
>* Everything that came out of their mouth, sounded... odd.
>* Like it was like on speaker or something.

>* Sounds like normal Kris to me.

>* Well... It wasn't. Something was weird.

>* I think Kris's just weird, period.
Susie hasn't noticed Kris's speech patterns change, while Noelle has. In fact it's a very specific description, "like on speaker," which Susie recognizes as being normal. What Noelle and Toriel have noticed is that Kris has become more outgoing - they're talking to people a lot more, including people they don't typically interact with or go out of their way to avoid...like Noelle.

>>713059964
Susie has been in school for longer than three days.

>>713059951
https://deltarune.com/the_n3w3st_g1rl_g1rl/
>So, that new girl I keep talking about?
>She really, really, REALLY hates Kris.
>And you know what's weird? Literally ONLY Kris seems oblivious to this. Or, no. Are they oblivious? They're literally getting bullied! Do they just... not care? Then again, who knows what Kris is thinking. I just don't get why they don't tell their mom.
Susie was focusing pretty hard on Kris. She knew them well enough that when she says "talks like a speaker and acts like a robot? Yep that's normal Kris" I'm very strongly inclined to believe she knows what she's talking about. She's been constantly interacting with the kid ever since she arrived at school.

Noelle also found it weird how oblivious Kris seemed to the whole thing, indicating that this is around the point where Noelle started noticing Kris acting different - significantly before we took control.

>>713060496
He limp wristed the shit out of that swing like a bitch, no form
I wonder how many people permanently fucked themselves up by breathing in the remains of these things

>>713060673
>Non-Binary isn't even a real gender
cool, that's your opinion, clearly toby fox thinks differently.

>>713059912
I think the real point of contention here should be the birdcage, the bloodstain and that Toriel doesn't question either. Was Kris practicing removing his soul before (you) took control of it? Is that his blood? He hasn't bled when removing the soul in the game plot. Is Toriel unequipped to handle Kris haha yes of course she is

>>713060726
Neither.
>but that's not a thing-
It is in this case. They're not a boy nor a girl. Simple as.

>>713060594
need

>>713060594
Anon, those are SEXUALLY INDETERMINATE nipples

>>713060835
And the bathroom.

THE KNIGHT IS NOT DESS ITS PAPYRUS
>stated to be incredibly strong in undertale
>gullible and seeks admiration from authority figures like Asgore and the royal guard in Undertale. This could translate to him being manipulated by the mayor to do the dirty work of being the knight
>The knife staircase move resembles a move sans has.
>Pic related could not be possible for someone like dess or Carol to do. They would have to delete their torso. Papyrus could have shifted a few bones around and done this just fine
>The knight never breaks the soul just like how Papyrus doesn't destroy your soul in undertale
>The knight's body armor looks like Papyrus's battle body.
>The helmet could just be an insignia of his alliance to the holiday family
>Carol has been working on the festival all week and thus couldn't have been the knight.
>Dess is probably dead or stuck in a dark world. Either way, she's in no condition to be the knight.
THE KNIGHT IS A PAPYRUS THAT GOT MANIPULATED TO HIS IS GREAT POTENTIAL FOR EVIL. HE'S THE GUY THAT DOES THE DIRTY WORK AND WILL SERVE AS THE SCAPE GOAT IF THE PLAN GOES TO SHIT

>>713060814
>>713060840
Zoomers are kind of retarded

>>713060704

>>713058230
Yes

Kris actually has one (1) breast on the left side. It's huge. The other side is flat.

>frisk isn't gendered so people can say they're whatever they think they are according to Toby
>by the end of the game Frisk goes off on their own and lives "their own life" according to flowey implying that they're their own person and you're not actually self inserting
>try to do this for kris
>trannies lose their minds

>>713060779
im not getting replies will i..

>>713060794
Or, the sane non-retarded opinion: it's a videogame and we had to watch the story unfold and control the character at some point. Only Toby Fox is to blame for the metafaggotry and breaking your retard's minds.

>>713060727
>>713060796
He swing may be weak, but tubes still are really hard. That thing probably has an inch of solid glass on the front.

>>713060903
wow it's almost as if they're completely different characters with completely different situations

>>713060912
Thank you for your concession.

>>713060835
given that toriel use to take out a book called 'how to care for humans' numerous times during kris' childhood it can be easily presumed that toriel has no idea what she's doing with kris
i don't even know why that would even be necessary, surely raising a human child would be more or less the same as a monster child in deltarune's universe, right?

>>713060903
NOOOOOOOO NON-BINARY IS A REAL GENDER AND YOU NEED TO RESPECT THAT THEY ARE OFFICIALLY GENDERLESS AND YOU NEED TO RESPECT THAT THE CHARACTER IS TRANSGENDER BUT ALSO HAS NO GENDER!

>>713060745
Cuteness up
Health up

>>713060496
Tenna is pretty fragile, I think Kris CHECK points that out

>>713060519
Siblings?? You don't know that!! For all we know the Sky Mantle could just be the Shadow Mantle after being corrected

>>713060909
Sorry anon, you chose a bad moment to ask.

Kris and Carol are working together, but is Asgore in on it? Is Carol keeping Kris in the dark about Asgore or is he just doing his own thing? Does she know and just let's him do as he pleases because she knows he can't do shit, or blames him for something? Is Asgore going to figure something out and open a Dark World, or will he be present when one is opened? What was the Knight trying to do to Toriel? Were they actually interrupted? If Carol and Asgore were at the Holiday house, did Alven open the Fountain? Rasiel makes it pretty clear Gerson should only exist if the Dark World was made by someone with a strong connection to him.
Assuming no delays I have to wait up to 18 months...

>>713060673
if you believe that gender (i.e. something different than someone's sex) is a thing then there's literally nothing weird about also believing that some people see themselves as something different than male or female.

>>713060903
remember toby originally planned to release only chapter 1 as the demo and the rest of the game would come all out at once, and toby actually went out of his way to not assign any pronoums to kris (the prison scene where susie says she can't hear them is referring to both ralsei and kris)
the original plan was a repeat of UT where people self insert their pronoums and that would slowly be dissolved over the course of the game, but that didn't work out once toby split the game into multiple chapters over the course of 10+ years

>>713060887
cute creature

Look like the twitfags are here
MIKE, PULL UP THE DEATH STATISTICS PERCENTAGE OF TRANNIES

>>713061012
Okay, but identifying as something doesn't change your sex, just the way you express yourself. Non-Binary isn't some magical third option. Even if someone is non-binary they were either a boy or a girl before deciding that they want to identify as neither.

>>713060998
But 2 is better than 1

>>713060779
Shin Getter since team of 3 needed and powered by a mysterious source with it's own will. Fits thematically. Individually, Susie would pilot a Super robo type like Mazinkaiser, Kris an Eva, and Ralsei one of the escanflowe mechs.
>>713060909
Threads almost done anyways

>>713060978
Anon, even in this world there are plenty of caregiving books for parents.

I miss chapter 5 anons how long will this insanity be for?

>>713060206
just remember that the people trying to convince you of their insanity literally look like an ugly freak and lead empty lives
you are not going to reason with living failures

>>713061009
if asgore's in on it i think it's more incidentally than purposefully, though his possession of a black shard and his status as a king in the dark world is very very very very interesting

The fact that the English language has "they" as a singular and plural pronoun, plus "you" as a singular and plural pronoun too is fucking retarded.

>They fucked while they watched, you wonder why they would get you anally pregnant
Utter insanity

All self-insertfags would have to do to instantly get a 10x stronger argument is say "The player is supposed to identify with Kris"
This is an actually sound argument of "Toby wants to make Kris's experiences more open to interpretation and be made applicable to the player regardless of their gender, helping players to understand them better and empathize with them more." Which is very different from "The player is supposed to view Kris as an extension of themself," something which directly contradicts the game where Kris is very much their own character.
They won't do this though because they just want to ragebait and derail the thread with culture war faggotry

>>713061039
anon if the suicide statistics were real the deltarune fanbase wouldnt exist

>>713060978
Kris literally is of a different species, what, you expected her to just automatically know how to deal with them? Parenting is hard.

>>713061012
Whats the point of being "non-binary" unless you are reinforcing outdated gendernorms and stereotypes by implying that you aren't either because you don't act the way that gender is "supposed" to act?
The idea that "non-binary" is something real implies that people that identify as other genders need to behave a certain way and thats kinda regressive and shitty

>>713061115
who's your vote for the secret attractive person where's waldo?
for me, it's whiteboard. beneath all the retarded tattoos she has a cute face.

>>713060954
Waiting for your argument or retort because it looks like your conceding and relying on your emotion over reason

>>713060671
Reminds me of my childhood... only I gave it back too.

>>713061175
The Japanese part would

>>713056581
>tfw you're stuck doing BORING College classes in some janky ass metropolis (probably full of hum*ns) instead of doing cool small town mystery adventures with your lil bro and your childhood friends
must be fucking boring to have everyone in the campus ask if he shits magic dust or if he has a goat dick every single day

I literally do not care.

>>713061184
If you can be whatever you want, you might simply not feel like a woman or a man independently of the way you act. Nothing contradictory here.

>>713061152
It was fine before zoomers started acting like it was some special snowflake gender thing and not just a vague catch all for talking about anyone.
>>Hey why isn't Bill here?
>Oh they ran to the store real quick
>Oh he ran to the store real quick
Both are perfectly fine and make sense, but zoomers see this and think "WOAH BILL IS TRANS????"

I'm too lazy to reply to 10+ people, but I just want to remind some of you that the very first thing that happens in Ch1 is someone asking "Are we connected?" and then the Soul appears.

>>713059841
The bird cage and the blood stain on the floor. Unless he had a pet bird he slaughtered before the game started he's been ripping that shit out before we downloaded this game.

>>713061189
all of them look like they'd ruin my life even if I only hooked up with them. they're all fucked up. I can't pick man.
voting whiteboard with you I guess.

I think we should go back to low effort doe rape shitposts instead of low effort gender wars.

I think Kris is a man. If he exists for self-insert purposes, I dont see the issue with simply calling him he or she, neither seems wrong and its better than they.

>>713060903
>frisk isn't gendered so people can say they're whatever they think they are according to Toby
he literally never said this

Is /vg/ truly even worse and more retarded then here? I struggle to imagine how that's possible

>>713060851
Getting some Kaname vibes here.

>>713061174
Kris isn't a self-insert. He's just meant to be ambiguous. I prefer to think of him as male though. There are enough lesbians in the game.

>>713061152
Yes English has words that mean different things in different contexts, welcome to your 5th grade English class or most other languages in the world that are 10x more context-based than English is

i dont care what anyone says Kris is a man and has a sweet sweet pussy for spamton too fuck and penetrate

>>713060779
This one is kinda easy since a few of them already have mechs. The fuck squad get the thrash machine, Queen gets Giga Queen, Spamton gets Neo.

If I had to pick something from anime, Kris gets eva 01 because it fits thematically. Susie gets one of the dino zords from power rangers. Spamton gets Big Duo since he's very similar to Schwarzwald and that other guy that piloted it.

>>713061096
if it was just a 'how to care for your child' book there would be no issue, toriel would just seem somewhat eccentric for wanting a book on how to raise her child properly, it's the racial aspect of it that's strange

>another thread ruined by /pol/tards who cannot stop thinking about trannies

>>713061298
you sweet summer retard

>>713060903
>frisk and kris are totally the same dude!
frisk is a non-character compared to kris
this is a disingenuous argument

>>713061297
I'm pretty sure I've read toby say that the fallen human's gender and name is wahtever is yours
but that is referring to chara, not frisk

>>713061174
I wonder how many people actually see Kris as a girl. Almost all fanart is just either male or male leaning androgynous designs with any female clothing looking more like cross dressing.

>>713061231
How do you "feel" like a man or a woman when neither of these things mean anything concrete?
What the fuck does "Feeling like a man today" mean? What does "feeling like a woman" mean?
This seems very reductive, as if you are bound by your gender to act or think a certain way and you aren't still an individual regardless of your gender. Men and Women have a wide range of personality types and behaviours that have a lot of crossover, and the idea that you are the wrong gender or not your gender because you have a different vibe one morning is kind of retarded and insulting. Why do zoomers act like this?