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>atheists always involve religion
You have no idea what atheism is. It's OK, most "atheists" think it means denying the existence of God when it's the rejection of theism and its zealots.
>coherent moral framework
"Because sky daddy said so" isn't a moral framework. If you don't think altruism can exist outside of fear induced worship of a vindictive, schizo, omnipotent yet testy sacrificial moon God then talking about Locke's basic bitch maximums or Aristotle's eudaimonia is going to be lost on you.