Thread 149826368

Tour de France (2.UWT)
Stage 13 (ITT)
Loudenvielle - Peyragudes
10.9km

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first for poGOD

>>149826368 (OP)
>pogwinslol

and to think that he barely beat virenque time

ASO more dope to remco and jonas NOW you french retards

CREATE A DECENT STORY

How will UAE respond?

what does /cyc/ think of Lorena Wiebes allowing me to modify her saddle to my liking?

Are they using a TT bike tomorrow or just the normal?

waiting so long for the dust to settle got Sandstorm on repeat

>Trine arrives saturday on tourmalet
>Takes over the radio
>"Uhmm.... sweetie... I've got two children and a bunch of kitchen cabinets that needs assembling up here"
>Vingegaard in yellow with 2 minutes to Pog as he rockets up to the top

>>149826420
normal of course

FISHBOY IS HOOKED, GUTTED, SKINNED AND FILLETED.

>>149826420
both

>>149826423
kek

>>149826420
They change bikes at km 2.9

>>149826411
>Get in that hole you filthy animal!

>>149826445
I could see roglic doing something so retarded

>"The whole stage was very tense, very difficult. The speed was almost 100 km/h on the flats and your legs were already suffering. If you weren't mentally prepared for that start, it wasn't easy. Visma went with an optimistic pace to the first climb. I saw that Matteo Jorgensen was in trouble, I saw that he wasn't having a great day, then I switched in my head, one less, I had to focus only on Jonas," Pogačar told RTV Slovenia at the Hautacam summit after the sweet victory.

next stage will be like

>I had to focus only on myself
KEK

>>149826420
Pog is gonna ride on a tricycle

>Jonas is better than ever says Visma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFcLyDb6niA&ab_channel=Crowbcat

>Over 2k posts in last thread.
We are so back

Pogacar takes the polkadots from the French kid. I do not think that was intentional, but a sad and undesired side effect.

Waar Maarten?

>Il reste le meilleur des autres - Grischa Niermann
what a weak cope. looks like they finally accepted that they need to fight against Lipowitz for 2nd place.

The animes taught me the good guys always win so I'm a little confused as to why Vingegaard didn't win today.

>>149826420
pog needs a TT bike because of how fast he will be going up the hill

>>149826482
Vismoids have been villains all along

>>149826482
because Pogacar is the good guy

>>149826477
Waar Maarten?

>>149826465
not bad not bad...HOWEVER

>>149826368 (OP)
>Best mountain climber is also the best time trialist
Many such cases.

Are there any anons who actually remember seeing Riis' Hautacam live? I was only 6.

>>149826503
>open up bert, your state-sponsored uzbeki rouleur long-mommy gf is here

>>149826066
>30 seconds to hair

>previous thread over 2000 replies
good stage eh

>>149826540
About 1000 posts of seethe, rightfully so.

KWAB
KWAB
KWAB

>>149826458
actually Pogi will be riding a unicycle

/CYC/ CHAMPIONSHIP 2025
TOUR DE FRANCE
stage 12

>>149826474
he'll win all 3 jerseys

Slovakian scum

>>149826474
If he went for it on Labatmale instead of sending Wright he would have the jersey

>>149826581
But Peter Sagan retired years ago?

Uhmm visma sisters what’s the tactic

the absolute state of dopage
I wouldnt be so salty if he just stayed in his lane
but he has to be an absolute faggot and ruin classics as well

>>149826596
A good post

>>149826532
i only remember seeinh that this old bald guy went fast uphill and stole ulle his win. i was also 6

Coquard making the time limit by 5 minutes

absolute kinography
i hope he annihilates every race like merckx did

Still no French stage win

Let's be honest, Visma and Jorgenson in particular caused all this with their annoying tactics during week 1.
Without that, Pogi would have probably attacked halfway up the climb, maybe taken a minute or a little less, and kept things alive.
Visma is at fault here.

>"I be smokin' di 'erb and poundin' di Urska"
>"she be squealin' like a lil pig raaastafari maaan"

Pogi is only 50 points behind Milan i hope he also gets the green jersey in Paris

>>149826593
The tactic is working, they really tired Pogacar out today. 2 more weeks and the tables will turn

>>149826619
me too since there is nobody more insufferable than the crybabies.
Imagine not calling Pog vs Grug "ruining the classics"

>>149826638
the third week will be insane

first time in years but now his flag is gone (Schizobbc)

>>149826643
The classics were boring af except san remo

Young fertile bucks awaiting the Parisian finale to meet the renowned BBC jocky Urska

>>149826656
No they weren't
>inb4 muh ardennes
They were always boring

>>149826656
roubaix was great and MSR was one of the best races ever so that alone is enough

It wasn't even close to PEAK performance from Pogacar.

Around 6.7W/kg for 35 minutes and a few seconds.

Reminder that Vingegaard is 1 minute slower than his time in 2022.
He is in his best form ever? When continue lying because absolute pathetic.

>>149826686
wait till tmrw

@Grok generate an image of Urska being ploughed by a platoon of young fertile bucks in the ventoux lighthouse

>>149826677
>>149826671
Yes they were
Roubaix was not exiting.

>>149826686
>He is in his best form ever?
He is. He's just racing clean now is all.

So visma had been tearing it up the first week because vingegaard handles load better than pogacar, but then on hautacam vingegaard was isolated, a. Yates still there, and narvaez did an unbelievable leadout. Imagine if almeida was still in the race.

What did visma lease a bike mean by this?

surely the nerds can do better estimates when they have actual numbers from a bunch of riders

>>149826707
What does teammates being there matter or not when Vingegaard was wheelsucking the entire time? Who cares if Pogacar's teammate wins the stage, he should've just stuck on his wheel.

>>149826707
>discussing tactics
At this point it's clear tactics were irrelevant all along. What exactly would Ameida or Kuss offered?

>>149826368 (OP)
0 suspense for this stage. What's even the point of this TT

Valle d'Aosta stage cancelled, I still didn't watched knowing how it will end

I spent my time making this

>>149826707
Narvaez is an incredible get for UAE. Perfect launchpad for Pogi, he can practically gap Vingegaard before Pogi even goes

So we need to talk about the rise of Lipowitz and thereby German nationalism. It is problematic

>>149826465
All me :)

>>149826740
yes, it basically means pogi doesn't have to get the gap himself

>>149826745
Wir sind wieder wer!

>>149826740
Clear MVP when it comes to domestiques. There were some races earlier in the season where I thought he underperformed, but rn he's incredible.

>>149826686
This retard did it on the Y1RS

>>149826745
WIR SIND WIEDER EINMARSCHIERT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpA61K6X1WA

>>149826745
Wir sind Tour de France

We've witnessed levels of dopism that is unheard of today

>>149826745
I said he has far more GT potential than Remco and I was hounded down in this very general. He has more consistency and he's still improving, a lot. Remco peaked at a young age, he gets no better.

>>149826656
rvv was good you retard

I think vingegaard can close the gap to pogacar next year, he just needs to train harder, race more and go on more altitude camps

>Lipowitz is an ex-biathlete
God save us the day Norway's sports program decides to focus on cycling

>>149826792
This was nothing compared to Wout in 2022

Lol, forgot that its 3 fucking stages with monster climbing.

Who is gonna blow up on stage 14?
I don't see Remco recovering from the TT tomorrow enough to not be dropped from the podest.

It's between Lipowitz and Onley for the 3rd spot maybe even more, Vingegaard does not look good and might explode on stage 14.

>>149826823
and get a divorce

>>149826792
Beille or Isola 2024 were better performances. Jonas should have been better

>>149826830
today was Remgod’s bad day inshallah

>fish 6.3 w/kg
Top kek, almeida would have put 1 minute on this fraud. He might be sick, the whole team was shit

>>149826830
As much as Jonas looks shit compared to Pogi, he's still a monster at recovering, so I expect him to easily solidify his 2nd place in the next 2 days.

>>149826830
Pissma said they only care about 1st place. Vingegaard will risk it all.

Jorgi one of the biggest kwab of the decade

Assuming Pogacar DNS tomorrow, this would be the GC timegaps
1. Vingegaard
2. Remco +1:14
3. Lipowitz +2:03
4. Vauquelin +2:09
5. Onley +2:34
6. Roglic +3:59
7. Johannessen +4:14
8. Gall +5:50
9. Jorgenson +8:41
10. Healy +9:48

>>149826899
If Suisse is anything to go by, Vauquelin might lose a few spots tomorrow.

Before the crash I said Pog would go early and gain almost 2 minutes. Fish should've been a minute faster, bad performance by him, and Pog's rashes + Y1 probably cost 30-40 sec, and there we are. I'm such a genius.

>>149826686
Tomorrow his will go full gas

Is that Colnago Y1Rs really that bad?
Any proofs?

Too lazy to check but I guess Pogacar is already the rider with the most mountain stage wins in the TdF by a mile

>>149826937
With a proper leadout he would have gone faster too

>>149826558
Hm. Wish Healy didn't collapse like that

>>149826950
It's not, the test autist say its'"uncofortable", whatever that means.

>UCI puts One Cycling 'on notice' in letter warning teams and organisers they could lose their licences
rekt

Seems like fish really did exchange w/kg on mountains for explosivity, which obviously is and insane decision to make for the tour.

Pog using Y1 on this stage, I don't even know anymore. Dude has looked so much worse on it than V4/V5 and I think just talking from Cipressa onwards he could've dropped MVP with it. Now clearly, Y1 has to save a shitload of watts on the flat to ever use it for a stage like this, but still, seems really strange. He'll be using V5 for maybe 2-3 stages I guess.

>>149826973
It's also heavy

>>149826975
why?

Dude am i fucking retarded or what, wasn't skjelly in the front group all the way up? And then on the decend he just fucking vanished

I kept looking out for when the Pog/Ving group would over take him but it just never happend

>>149826981
>Seems like fish really did exchange w/kg on mountains for explosivity, which obviously is and insane decision to make for the tour.
That's what I thought when I read his trainer's interview before the Tour. They really think explosivity matters for TdF GC or something

>>149826981
that's just retarded twitter bullshit
Vingegaards Hautacam time today is exactly the same as it was in 2022 to the second.
Pog on the other hand...

>>149826457
he really doesnt like jorgenson kek

Arkea win the team classification for the stage

>>149826962
You mean longer one to the climb? Then I agree, I actually felt that Narvaez doing such an apocalyptic leadout (even dropping fish) and then Pog going cost him for the 2nd half, I think Lipo was almost as fast in the last 5-6k. In contrast at PdB, perfect leadout from Visma and then he absolutely pulverized everyone the last 5k.

>>149827006
He was like 30s slower than 2022 and it was a harder stage back then

>>149827026
Yeah. With Almeida and Yates in good shape and Pog attacking at like 7k to go he would have beaten the record easily

>>149827033
Wasn't it like 33C today tho? Not sure where to fin out temperature in 2022.

Visma should have gone with kooij instead of vingegaard

It would be cool if Jonas and poogacar just got deleted and then we'd have actual racing from Lipowitz Onley Vakaulin Remco etc.

>>149827002
He is shit and so are trek. Shite team, shite brand.

>>149827059
Just watch the giro lad

>>149827026
i hate to hype german riders because they all turned out to be gc suckers the last times but if he had not stuck with rogbitch a finish with Jonas would have been possible

>>149827059
rather watch the goat

Bought a French cheese from Netto to celebrate Lipogoat

>>149826745
FRANKREICH WIR KOMMEN!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6qHovGCP9uU&pp=

>>149827033
On the other hand he had wout doing a monster lead out

>>149827026
desu i doubt he gave everything, there is a TT tomorrow

>>149827078
Yeah? You reckon poogacar and vingegaard won't turn up next year? LMAO. Poogacar knows he can win all 3 GT's if he wants, and if vingegaard goes for the giro then he will too.

GT's are ruined for this generation.

>>149827088
You watch cape shit and use a macbook too?

>>149827059
if we didn't have jonas and pogi, we'd get even more slurping, since no one would be able to pull out so every shitter would just slurp it.

At least we'll get to watch grug smash his skull in the classics and worlds for a couple more years.

>>149827093
Catchy tune desu

>>149827059
Just for you, GC without Pogacar and Vingegaard:
1. Evenopoel
2. Lipowitz +0:49
3. Vauquelin +0:55
4. Onley +1:20
5. Roglic +2:45
6. Johannessen +2:59
7. Gall +4:36
8. Jorgenson +7:27
9. Healy +8:34
10. Rodríguez +13:11

>>149827082
He's probably beat fish to the line with optimal pacing. Podium should be confirmed at this point, maybe even 2nd if fish keeps on cracking more and more.

>>149827119
Lipowitz, Onley and Uijtdebroeks aren't slurpers.

>>149827109
Pogacar will continue skipping Giro from now on and try to win MSR and Roubaix.

>>149827109
Good thing we can just enjoy classics and monuments
oh wait
he has to ruin those too

Where did the Danes go?

>>149827127
France would go insane

>>149827143
to kill themselves by committing soduku with a tire lever

>>149827052
Tarbes is as close as I could get it, which says high of 32. So cooler than today.

>>149827127
That actually looks really kino

>>149827147
They need to set up a route with 100 time trial kilometres for Big Kev.

Jorgenson and vingegaard both seemed to be below their usual level today

>>149827166
In Jorgenson's case it was a bit more than "seemed". By far the most disappointing performance of the day. As soon as Kuss was dropping him, I knew Visma's day would be a disaster.

>>149827188
Visma did an Ineos today killed their own team on first climb

used the post hautacam adrenaline for some fakkin watts on the flat, had to dodge a lot of retards thoughever

eating this bad boy

>>149827127
>France VS Belgium with a German wildcard
this is what they took from you

I got stung by a wasp on my ride today, I was just cycling along and felt a pinch on the bottom of my left thigh, and I saw a wasp had hitched on and was giving it the ol' stinger right through my bibshorts. What the fuck was his problem?

UnoX stage and a top 10 on GC is bonkers for the team. They might even do a top 5 if things stay this way.

>>149827258
Imagine if we win the Tour

No way in hell we saw a clean performance today. How does he stay at peak fitness all year?

>>149827258
Happy for my german brothers hope florian starts winning UWT races

>>149827283
We know the riders are doping, but they do not do it so brazenly as we see with him. Staying in their lane by not winning classics, tours and being in prime fitness end of year too is decency. Fans don't want to see the same rider win everything the same way. Other teams need to win races too to keep big sponsors in the sport.

This will destroy the sport if it continues like this.

>>149827283
I think it was clean in the legal way that is

>>149827304
>This will destroy the sport if it continues like this
Just two more weeks and the sport is destroyed bro for real this time

>>149827292
Schumiescqe way to die tbqh especially after making it back alive from space (maybe fake)

>>149827292
Nothing of value was los

>>149827292
>Baumgartner stürzte in den Pool der Camping-Anlage Le Mimose, wo er auf eine Frau fiel. Sie wurde bei dem Vorfall verletzt und musste medizinisch behandelt werden. Laut ersten Medienberichten erlitt Baumgartner schon in der Luft einen Herzstillstand.
kek imagine you randomly chill in the pool and get hit by a celebrity falling dead out of the sky

>>149827273
just lots of go-karting training

Where was Wout today?

>>149827366
UnoX are probably one of the cleanest teams in the peloton

>>149827369
Did he even finish?

Remco really dropped on the first climb of the Tour kek. He will probably be better in the next mountain stages

>>149827368
lol

I fear the mountain TT is only going to be exciting for the last 10 riders.

>>149827353
This is why I'm never doing paragliding when I'm in the mountains even though it looks so much fun

>>149827368
all according to plan. Don Jhonny calls the shots at UAE

>>149826981
>>149826973
>>149826950
>>149826770
Vingegaard was on the S5 too (I assume he was on the R5 in 2022) but that has been much more proven in the mountains…

>>149827304
Well we know for sure that the great satan will not be stopped by the appeal of his doping destroying the sport permanently. He is scorched earth tactics sponsored by bloody oil money. Peak soulless. How does a team like this even have a fan base? The country doesnt give a shit about cycling. Who the hell actually cheers for them?

Know what I haven't seen in a long time? A comfy, rainy, 5 hour mountain stage with a strong breakaway and basically no chance of the GC group catching them.

>>149827368
Considering that Yates didn't even get to pull on the Hautacam, I believe it

Fish went from almost dying to producing his climbing peak in 2024, including a top-5 all time climb at PdB. Now a year later this, a shadow of himself with basically optimal preparation. CO2 ban taking an effect?

why is the time trial so short? 11km only

>>149827435
did you look at the stage

>>149827408
> How does a team like this even have a fan base?
I notice a lot of their fans are soys and pundits who want to see le records being broken xDD. Then I see retards ITT who say he's "exciting" because he attacks. Sure I guess he does, into a 12km solo and wins by 3 minutes. Predictable, opposite of exciting. A lot of meds love him because it's a med team. Even riders and teams in the peloton are cucking to UAE and sucking up to them. All so tiresome.

It is the same people who love PSG or Barcelona or support Mercedes or Redbull too.

Remkings enemies are everywhere in the peloton quietly supporting the false GOAT

>>149827378
39 minutes behind

BRING BACK TTT YOU FRENCH FUCK

>>149827457
that would fuck over shitty teams even more and then you niggers would complain that's only to help uae and visma

Imagine mfw Pogi catches Jonas tomorrow.

Turns out Hautacam was indeed a nothingburger, just as expected

>>149827457
Next year

>>149827448
I liked Pogacar back when he got dumpstered by Vingegaard two years in a row and I still like him now.

Does anyone know if there's still a way to see strava interactions? I saw some movistar pros in the black forest today, I would like to see who they were

>>149827416
and a dutch gc contender crashing into a snow wall

>>149827448
wdym being a red bull fan in 2025 is pain

Jonas will never be in yellow ever again

>>149827427
Harder to be on the top of your game when you have a wife breaking your balls whenever you need to go do your job

>>149827408
Ill tell you who are UAE fans. Italian dentist couple on s-works, both reeking of cologne on the climb

She should do it here

>>149827448
Peak 2022 Jonas would have gathered all his lieutenants, made them carry him up the mountain to 3 km where he would have gone for the attack and won.

Jonas is and always was a slurper. Different styles, unfortunately that shit is so unlikable, just like Froome and his goonsquad.

Me trying to understand the numbers
The first one looks like 17:53:14 but can't be since the Calzolari time seem 17:46:44 an Santhià seem 17:48:14

>>149827596
What a witch

>>149827619
no godlike wva = no party

>>149826506
alt /cyc/ aka bert had 500 posts today, so you can add those.

Every single person on this list, bar Pogacar and Vingegaard, is a confirmed doper. You can enjoy the spectacle, but if you unironically believe they're clean you have brain worms.

>>149827886
how doped was newton then

>>149827886
fuck off with the strawmans, everybody knows they dope we just don't care. they all dope, pogi is still the best simple as

>>149827886
Ulle war sauber

>>149827886
I have no mouth and I must squeak

>>149827923
Nice deflection yourself, idiot. The name and date sticks out like a sore thumb.

it's rather easy to understand why pogi is completely clean. today's stage was very hot, 38 degrees in the valley. pogi of 2022 would have been burnt to a crisp and totally collapsed, but he's fine in the heat today. it's clear he was totally untrained for heat adaptation under bald fraud and he has been doing heat training well under sola. this alone accounts for 5-7% of raw performance and even more in the heat.
this is about half of his raw improvement from 2021-22 level. the rest can be accounted for by peloton-wide improvements to fueling and more intensity training.
EPO doping mainly increase hematocrit level and not PV which is the main benefit from heat adaptation. we can identify the heat resistance improvement to heat training alone.

Bruyneel on Vive le Velo tonight
first episode I might watch this season

>>149827886
Leblanc is French, thus clean.

>>149827991
Not him but we've been saying this for years. If you can't enjoy doppers performing you should stop watching sport, simple as

>>149828055
Same could be said about Wellens heat training changed him

>>149827448
as an elite(tm) performer in my own field i like it when the best athletes actually win. can't be rooting for losers that's weak victim mentality

>national sport is cycling
>is irrelevant in cycling
what did lelgumes mean by this?

Dog with a hat smoking a cigar

>>149826981
it's mainly from le laterne rouge 5head strategery of constant attacking for no gain and tiring themselves out. jorgensen basically got exposed and showed he has not recovered from the constant useless efforts.

>>149828110
how many tour etappes france won this year mon ami?

>>149827886
Indurain is not a confirmed doper

>>149828110
at some point Belgium will join Switzerland, France and Italy and become a has been nation in cycling living off the glory of long gone days. it's just a matter of time.

Let's go Pogi. Let's go!
*CLAP* *CLAP*

>>149828162
;)

>>149828218
Man the Paris olympics were the best olympics since forever!

>>149828110
you sure about that?

>>149827952
They will be back tomorrow, non stop shitposting

>>149827619
because without mutagenic dopage, you actually need to not ride like a fucking retard

>>149828678
>during an ITT stage
what's there to shitpost about besides bike choices?

>>149828218
special powers unlocked on Arab Lands

>LONG WAY TO PARIS
>TOUR IS STILL YOUNG
>JUST A FEW BAD DAYS NOTHING SPECIAL
>ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN
>WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS TOMORROW
>TOMORROW'S A NEW DAY
>YOU NEVER KNOW WHATS GONNA HAPPEN
>STILL A LONG WAY TO PARIS PAL
>ALL DAYS CAN'T BE GOOD DAYS, YOU KNOW?
>WE'RE ONLY IN THE SECOND WEEK
>LOTS MORE TOUR DE FRANCE TO GO
>YOU JUST NEVER KNOW WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN
>TEAM HAS PLANS FOR THE NEXT STAGES
>TOMORROW IS A DIFFERENT DAY
>PARIS IS STILL FAR AWAY
>WELL, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS

>>149828694
Shitposters don't care

>>149827886
I don't care if they dope, it matters if I personally think they ride ok. Tadej, little nonchalant Balkan kid just riding along, ok. Fish boy, little autistic weirdo with mommy issues that wheelsucks, not ok. Pantani, little troubled mentalist that went full gas, based. Armstrong, psychopathic castrated mentalist who had his serfs drag him up the mountains, bad.

>>149828766
They don't call it Copenhagen for nothing

>>149828804
This

>>149828804
Ah right, only meds and slavs like you can dope?

>>149828870
Only entertaining riders are allowed to dope

Doping is about decency. It's meant to be an arms race. Showing up to everything, winning everything in the same fashion whilst playing the cutesy quirk chungus is not correct doping.

Lower the doses poogacar. At least make it believable, or close. Sure win by 5 minutes, but actually put on a show. Zero decency. It's shit like this that got people caught. His performances have now become very unbelievable. That's the issue here, not doping itself but how you do it.

>>149828870
I'm Dutch, but indeed, every Italian can dope, papididoopee just do-ah Di EPO with a spaghetti on the Stelvio

What was the last "decently" won TDF?

F1 drivers, cyclists, football players, tenissers, fucking cricket faggots. Everyone dopes. At the top level they're all assholes that will do anything to win, else you wouldn't be at the top in the first place. It's logical that they'll always try to get an edge in some way, inlcuding pharmaceutical.
I doubt they still dope epo till their blood stops flowing like the 90s though. But yeah, you still need to put in the work, the dedication, the ambition, the talent, the lifestyle.. no amount of dope will get you anywhere if you're not truly living for it. So in the end, the best wins either way.

>>149828985
Evans

Went on a ride, 7th or 8th of the year I guess. Legs felt good finally, blew off the rust from past year of no proper riding. Diabolical ftp probably about 230w or something but that'll easily be 260w end of month once my blood volume is higher and I've got a few more hours in.

Female cyclist while looked like barbie on a bike swung out of a junction into my path when I was going 50kph, the gives me the little waves whilst half in the way. I thought I'd get rosenbert'd for a moment by barbie.

The addictive feeling of red lining the body, gasping for air, pushing to almost collapse on the final climb. Cozy zone.

>>149828996
was JUST about to say this, 2011

>>149828985
Grug Lemondade :^)

Guaranteed guys who didn't dope:
>pinot
Gesink

that's pretty much it

>>149829043
I hate this guy

>>149828985
Hinault

I might start doping as an experiment to get back to shape. Clenbuterol to strip my muscle and fat, epo micro dose to support training and testosterone 3 month cycle to drastically improve strength which I lack currently.

All easily accessible. Would be interesting to see how potent it is for performance. EPO particularly I'm interested about, the other two are fairly predictable result wise.

patellar tendonitis bros hurts to pedal

>>149828996
>>149829007
fair enough

>>149828992
Ulle war sauber though

.

>>149829056
Wiggins, Froome, Thomas. And no, TUE's and ibuprofen are not dope. Yes, athletes can have asthma. In terms of hard stuff like EPO they were squeaky clean.

>>149829076
Remember when this was the premise for the movie Icarus, and the result was that after a year of systemic doping was that he did worse at the race than he did clean?

>>149829063
Calm down Laurent

>>149829096
Biggest euro cope ever lmao

>>149829114
I remember watching that, seemed like a total basedfest.

we doped him wrong as a joke

>>149829102
lmao

>>149829102
>Bri'sh riders stretching the rules: GOOD
>Continental riders doing the same: CRINGE
you're boring and predictable

>>149828985
there’s no winning TDF decently

>>149829222
Walkowiak

>>149828985
2020 ROGLIC

>>149828985
lemond

>>149829300
lol

>>149829222
nu uh. Ulle war sauber!

>>149829165
? Gilbert had TUE's, that's also fine

>>149828985
2025 pogacar

>>149829255
>won

>>149829360
Ulle won fair and square on Krombacher, a daily pack of West and E's (just on weekend and rest day)

We should have a cyc discord debate

>>149829390
hehe
yes

>>149826368 (OP)
>Loudenvielle
>Loudervielle
That's some Luigi and Waluigi shit

>>149829390
>a daily pack of West*
*99 cigs in 9min

>>149829391
meh

Loudenvielle has 348 inhabitants and they still get the Tour as a start or arrival town every year

>>149829380
hm?

1(!) scoop of ice cream costs 1,60 € (!!) here

>>149829043
>>149829300
I'm inclined to agree

>>149828985
Fignon

If they have aura, they can dope
Merckx - De Kannibaal
Pantani - Il Pirata
Ullrich - Der Kaiser
Armstrong - Le Boss
Cancellara - Spartacus
Contador - El Pistolero
Meanwhile
pogichud - urska simpcuck fake nice guy
fishboy - zero personality squarehead also simpcuck
memkek eunuch evenekwabel - simpcuck castrated bitch
wva - lol

>>149829502
It's a comferble Pyrenees village that probably has all the right infrastructure.

think im gonna watch IRONMAN (2008)

>>149829568
Where does sir Clive stand?

>>149829568
yes

>>149829644
Clive's downhill attack certainly makes him a character. The whole aura of team sky in fact.

think im gonna go to SLEEP

>>149829695
It is kinda impressive, yes, and bold, how they lied to our faces. Laughed even. And got away with it.
WIGGINS got ruined because he has a traces of backbone, descended into madness and alcoholism.
But Froome, Walter Pulse with his e-bike, the marginal gains, the rounder wheels ...

>>149826482
not good enough, obviously

>>149829761
DELETE

You guy was trying to hype yourselves up as if Jonas had any chance against Modern Merckx

>>149829568
doping your bike doesn't count as dopage.

>>149829866
And we'll do it all again next year

>>149829866
No, only danes did this.

>>149829568
Contador had the aura of sweltering dog poo in the sun

Should start my ADHD meds very soon which means amphetamines are added to the doping stack as well.

.

>>149829761
Wout Poels did nothing wrong he just accidentally made 3 times the normal amount of watts for roughly 2 seconds due to a "perfect storm" of wet road and uphill friction and the strategic tyre swap minutes before this video, plus the distorted helicopter perspective exaggerates what actually happened, and he actually didn't even control the motor in his frame but a French fan activated it with his WiFi jammer from E.Leclerc.

>>149829866
The next THÉVENET will save us.

>>149829917
El Cacalero

It's possible that Pogacar is clean and the most gifted and hard working, and able to suffer the most guy (though he just doesn't look like a goblin doing so) of all the cyclists ever, and that talent and workrate propels him to consistently be so dominant

>>149830023
Lets just leave it like that...

>>149830023
He wants it more

Vauquelin will go from Arkea to Ineos. Unironically a downgrade

>>149830023
The thing is that Pogacar has at least 20% more soul than any other cyclist. You never see stats take that into account

>>149830212
think some anon said it best

you can dope if you have aura

Menchov was the peak auraless dopeur

>>149829391
> Discord

>>149829524
Nice, just paid 2,50€ in Bruges. And my wife claimed it was the best icecream place of the region and it just tasted like supermarket crap.
Very dissapointed.

>>149830335
Haha yeah cycling debate with a side of sissy hypno am I right?

Cycling recently has been watching and following closely with excitement and optimism and then mid way through losing all hope and no longer watching the stage gossip channels or even watching the whole race. Won't watch any mountain stage from now but I'll check if there's a break away that will make it. Tour is done, more of the same. Vuelta is going to be shit too.

It's deflating

>>149830364
No you're not. I'm from the time of teamspeak and LAN parties. I watched pantani winning on the prestigeous Madonna di Campiglio live. I ride frame shifters because other stuff is too modern for me. Go away with your tranny discord nonsens.

so what are we looking at left, meme tt tomorrow, kino on tourmalet, rest day, couple of slurpers and a few more mountains week 3?

>>149830245
With aura, you can do anything you want

>>149830358
My brother, where did you go, the da Vinci or the Australian? Both those places are average. If you have the transport, the best ice cream parlor in all of Brugge is this guy called Alexamer, in de Rijselsestraat. I get my ice cream there, it's fantastic. His straciatella is to die for

>Remco went from wanting to fight Pogacar and Vingegaard for the Tour victory to battling Vauquelin and Lipowitz for the white jersey
Honestly sad

>>149830443
>teamspeak
Indian scammer detected

>>149830444
Matje losing green by 1 point

>>149830477
It was Da Vinci and it was a fucking shitshow. No lines, yelling kids, just chaos. As a certified autist I waited at the other side of the road till my wife got back from that hell pit and it wasn't even worth it.
I will remember Alex for the next time I'm in Bruges, thanks.

>>149830550
That's not really true, he came into this Tour for a podium finish, he's kind of condemned himself to that being the highest achievable from the start (but dreaming of more)

>>149830428
lmao cry more.

>>149829866
never thought jonas had a chance. i'm just excited for pogi domination

Pog catches Vingo tomorrow

How many more stages can pogi win before everyone starts calling him greedy? 2 or 3?

>>149830982
If that happens I will never watch cycling again (only ciclismo)

They shouldn't have waited yesterday lol

>>149830982
If vingegaard can corner the way he did in that combloux the time trial the tour isn't over yet

All the training, dedication, living like a monk, leaving his sweet wife. While seeing his rival have fun in the classics, he's on a mountain just training. Everything for 3 weeks in a year, to have a chance to be the best in one thing.
After some time loss, the team is on edge already, putting all their hope in you. Finally it's your terrain, you fire yourself up, you know which part you're gonna try to attack him.
Youre 500 meters into the ascend, your whole team dropped and that Slovene pushes his pedals a few times and you die.

What did Jonas mean by this?

>>149826745
hmm?

>>149831365
Training for the Tour since October btw
All of that to be worse than last year. Reminds me of Lance vs Ullrich times

So in summary, vingegaard has:

- gotten worse at climbing, losing 2 minutes on the hautacam and slower than his previous effort
- gotten worse at ITT, losing over a minute to pogacar

+ gotten better at punchy sprints, still clearly losing to pogacar but managing to stay in his wheel

What is blud doing :skull emoji:

>>149831427
Imagine Jonas crashing out like Ullrich.

>>149831365
Maybe the basque country crash permanently damaged him; the same way Evenepoel was permanently worsened after his Lombardia crash?

>>149831442
Crodie needs to retire already

>>149829761
Froome's data was hacked and leaked and his Ventoux watts was a massive 5.7 w/kg for 40 min

The average speeds in this era total and on climbs was SO much lower
They were typically 10% slower than the EPO days on climbs
now Pogacar is 10% FASTER on many climbs than the EPO days

>>149831442
At this point he should just build more muslce to get even more explosive so he can actually win a puncher stage here and there.
Just give up on GC.

>>149831365
thinking about putting the wrong screws on his kitchen drawer handles and how eventually they'll not only come loose, but ruin the drill hole in doing so, meaning you need different screws altogether, but then they won't fit in the handles anymore, because they're in this shitty unusable size (Trine wanted those), and now you have to get new handles altogether, but then they probably won't match with the drawers anymore because these were some very idiosyncratic drawers and handles, so maybe just fucking redo the whole thing altogether... Better ask Trine...

>>149831495
But he said himself that he did his best number ever the tour after the crash.

>>149831518
Every GC rider should give up and race like it's 21 single day classics. Anyone caught racing for GC other than poogacar gets 5kg penalty. Poogacar stage wins don't count.

>>149831512
the EPO era was pretty shit so this is not a surprise. they were hugely reliant on EPO and allowed many self sabotaging myths to persist, leading to the froome era starve yourself behavior. very behind on training and nutrition compared to triathlon etc.

>>149831495
it's none of that. jonas' apparent loss of form is a combination of TRINE whining so he was not able to train as much and their retarded tactics that tired themselves out. turns out pogacar has superior recovery if he was not going into the red while dehydrated like a retard every stage. now visma has opted into racing like retards instead. it would be surprising if the gap isn't large.

This is first Tour in a while that feels like a Froome/Lance Tour where there's just one guy that seems to prepare properly and all the others are just frauds in one way or another

>>149830023
No way is anyone at the top of any professional sport clean. Doping gives 10% performance advantage and there is no way any individual is 10% ahead of the worlds best athletes who are doping.

mou said pogi is clean
Why shouldn't I believe him?
>>149831365
It's the looksmaxxer virgin vs chad meme

:-)

>>149831691
just look at all the doped up donkeys in portugal that get caught. they are shit conti jobber even with all the dope.

I am so sick of this retard
Fucking vibe killer slovenian autist

>>149831712
Pro sport at top levels is just who is best at doping and not getting caught for it since its so much of a performance advantage.

>>149831787
Uh huh, what about IQ are top scientist and memory freaks also doping?

>>149831814
Probably, Esports had a massive adderall problem so it would make sense anyone doing anything for money would look for every advantage possible, and if they didnt, theyd lose out to someone who was.

>>149831829
I doubt they 8 year old attending harvard is doping. He is just a freak

just finished watching the stage
Poggi looked angry, on a mission
good, fuck all crybabies

>>149831814
I mean, they do in chess, a bunch of scientist fags are taking all sorts of stuff to boost concentration and stuff. Business people are all on coke. F1 pilots were in the fuentes case.
It's everywhere

>>149831787
They are shockingly talented people to start with that's no doubt. You couldn't dope an amateur into a WT rider unless they respond extremely well. Even then it's a serious push, and they'd be lucky to run bottles at a shitter race.

Obviously they're talented. Poogacar would win tours without such obscene measures. They've taken it too far at this point and it's landis tier brazen doping. It's taking the piss to use Pidcock's words. Absolutely taking the piss.

>>149831860
>try to make him mad so he does something stupid
>succeed in making him so mad that he goes thermonuclear

>>149831814
Erdos was one of the top mathematician of the 20th century, who was used Ritalin and Benzedrine. When his friend bet him to quit using them for a month, Erdos accepted and then won, but said:
>You've showed me I'm not an addict. But I didn't get any work done. I'd get up in the morning and stare at a blank piece of paper. I'd have no ideas, just like an ordinary person. You've set mathematics back a month.

>>149831868
Thing is in every sport there are usualy one or two individuals throughout it's history that were a league above others.
I doubt there is some secret cabal giving chosen seemingly random people secret concoctions that make them superior to others.

>>149831885
Kek. Brain chemistry is wild. Even though someone's got potential they're just retarded an useless because adhd. Antipsychotics removed any thought or passion but made me 'normal'. Dopamine really is the spirit molecule. I'll look into him.

>>149831814
yes but it won't raise your level that much. retards will be retards

>>149831904
The chinese are the proof. state sponsored doping no doubt on all the best stuff and they're useless at most sports. particularly endurance stuff

>>149831885
Fair, but that guy was already insanely smart. And idk how mathematics competitions work but I imagine there are banned substances and if there aren't everyone is on ritalin so it's meaningless to call it out.

Mathematicians dope a ton. That dwarf fortress guy smoked meth at uni. Stims are needed for high levels maths.

unironically where the fuck is wout

If stims were banned in a math competition but everyone took them because they could hide it but one guy took the piss and was very blatant about it, no one can say anything about it because they're all on stims too. The he decides to win every science competition and even art competitions too. That guy sound a bit of a cunt. If everyone else follows, an enormous scandal wi) ll eventually ensue so they don't. It's like signing up for secret santa and then not sending a gift despite receiving yours.

>>149831981
He's enjoying the fruits of his lifetime contract

>>149832000
if everyone took them why would one guy win everything

it's over for the big guy. in his 30s now

Decided to ride outside instead of my much-hyped and awaited Hautacam ride on Zwift (weather was clearer than expected).

34 degrees out and humid. I literally felt the power being sapped away (not that I have any power to begin with).

>>149829063
The mental picture of him on his Chesterfield frantically calling the Gendarmes trying to have Froome arrested for motor doping is beyond hilarious to me

What jonas should do is get really fat and try and win paris roubaix and milan san remo before pogacar

>>149832027
Because not everyone responds the same, especially in a niche sport. Sure, if this is a super widespread sport with enough people it's hard to have someone stand out, but in a small pond there will every now and then come someone way better than anyone else.

>>149832027
it's a good question that no one can provide a great answer aside from "super responder"

>>149831904
No, EVERYONE at the top levels is doping, some just respond better to it than others or have access to take more stuff than everyone else. Those people are the anomalies that you see in sports.

>>149831875
Yeah 100%,basically some people are using so much shit that its risking making the whole show look illegitimate. Its the same with weightlifting where they have to change the bodyweight categories to scrub the world records so people dont realise the lifts theyre seeing now are 20% less than those seen 10 years ago when everyone was juiced to fuck. Pogi is risking an actual crackdown on the sport and the fallout could be massive. You dont need to make it this blatant to win safely.

>>149832191
But then you have examples like Gretzky who clearly wasn't doping (unless he was somehow doping his hockey IQ). Sure cycling is different, with raw power being the primary factor, but there are examples of the 0.0000001% human and the niche sport factor would enhance the possibility of one standing out like you said

>Tomorrow will be the only 6th stage I'll be able to watch live this year

Working in the dying embers of national bureaucracy fucking sucks dude I miss my flexibility

Even Armstrong calls Pogi a "super human" .....

squeaker bros it's not looking good

>>149832278
I watched his podcast episode today and he started self inserting into pogacar
>I was exactly the same

>>149832294
lol yeah

>>149832294
I thought that was a good comment (he really has those).

Basically said, as a GC leader, having your opponent's team do all the work the entire stage feeds right into your hands

>>149832251
It's possible that he's just that good, it's also possible he's that good AND doping. It's just that doping is more common than people think, not just cycling, but high level sports in general. Cycling is the most scared sport in regards to doping. No one cares that literally everyone is doping in the NFL, NBA, soccer, etc

>>149832478
The only sport that's comparable to cycling in being so touchy about it is weightlifting, but nobody cares about weightlifting.

>>149832000
competition math is not that serious. it measures a certain type of skill mathematicians call cleverness but this does not indicate research potential. basically being fast at easy problems that require recall and application of a small set of rules. USAMO camp participant here so i know what's up with this

The Pogacar of the early era, Girardengowinslol
Poor guys had to race on bombed roads

Here’s what I have to accept:

-Jonas will not be able to challenge Pogacar anymore.

-Wout is never coming back

-Primoz is never coming back

-Alaphilipe is never coming back

-Bernal is never coming back.

-The ad-free world feed on Peacock is never coming back.

The way in which this sport has become a metaphor for the decline of our own broken bodies is too painful to bear at times. I can never be a fan of Pogacar because he has come to symbolize the loss of many good things I once had. He has come to symbolize the fact that no matter how hard we try, we will never win at life. Death will find us and defeat us in the end. His victories can only remind us of our own inevitable losses.

I think me and cycling need to take a break for a while. I’m gonna need some time to be alone with my own thoughts.

>>149832827
Gabriel Carroll and Reid Barton are good examples of those who competitionmaxxed but never seemed to distinguish themselves in mathematical research. They're distinct skills, as you say

MAXIMUM respect to Groenewegen, Coquard, etc. for finishing within the time cut so that they can continue to fight for 10th place in the forthcoming sprints

>Heßmann tests positive
>Van Hooydonck has a heart attack at age 27
>Suddenly team Visma can't win shit

Curious, ain't it. Them boys got spooked. When Baroncini gets caught and one of the Oliveira's have a stroke it will finally be Red Bull's turn. Lipowitz bros we are next in line

>>149832885
seems like a skill issue on your part to evaluate riders and teams. bernal for example overrated and never that good.

in terms of raising the level of the sport with dosage level tech, visma is far more important and fit for the villain role. without pogi they'll be another sky level lab experiment.
pogi with his cyclismo and talent has used the enemy's weapons to rescue light and goodness in cycling. you should actually love pogi if you were not delusional and ignorant.

>>149833113
I'm just ctrl+c ctrl+v'ing comments from slash r slash peloton

>>149832478
everyone wants to find an edge but they are afraid of doping controls. it just so happens that there's a lot of unregulated space to find an edge. they even advertise this stuff to consoomers for money after aurafarming.

>>149833193
Just know what you are doing or just don't answer the door if you think you messed up until it clears

Should I make Sauerbraten soon?

>Vintage Pogacar leaves Vingegaard shattered in first mountain test
what did they mean by "vintage"?

Newfag why is Jonas the fish guy?

>>149833673
Because he prefers racing in wet conditions

everytime i think the resident schizophrenics of this general are bad I go and check on the clinic
>Sooner or later, everyone will long for the Sky era. My words were prophetic.

>>149833673
because of his fishy past

>>149829237
what mental breakdown looks like

>>149833673
He was in pro soccer development but never grew big enough physically for contact sports; but someone realized he had legendary cardio potential and sent him to cycling; then they made him work in a fish processing plant all the hours he didn’t spend training in order to teach him discipline and humility

my god, the whole ass article about some dude's socks choice

Im watching yesterday's stage... bros I kneel...

>>149834255
he committed a crime against fashion.

>>149834255
disgusting

>>149834344
least revolting vismoid knee

A more comprehensive list of Hautacam climbing times.

good morning pogibros

>>149834401
>'25 Lipo faster then '22 Pogacar
waow

Pogi needs to do aura dance that kid did on the boat

>>149834316
>>149834370
history will not be kind to longass white socks

Jonas having some fun

>>149834255
To be fair those socks really suck, and I ride in black shoes

The real real mountains haven't started yet Jonas will win on the Alps

>>149834728
his time will come

Lipowitz will finish ahead of Jonas. Next year he will be the favourite next to Pogacar and Jonas will be going for stage wins.

>>149830553
quirky chungus.webm

Manifesting a Wout stage win today

Lipo is the real deal

>>149832994
>>Van Hooydonck has a heart attack at age 27
he got pfizered

>>149834751
I think it'll be 2 years before he takes a podium, but he could honestly win it depending on how he and other riders like Seixass and Vauqelin develop.

/cyc/ can apologise to me for being mean when I said lipowitz will be a better GT rider then remco

>>149834785
German talents don't have such a long shelf life. It's now or never.

Is there actually some truth to the Lanterne Rouge guy having a say in Visma tactics? If so, he'd be partly responsible in Visma cooking fish to a crisp, kinda based.

Finally first day working from home this week
please tell me we have a good stage today

>>149834828
yes but I don't think its public knowledge to what extend - he said he produces recap videos specifically for their team, with strategic insides - if he is included in future strategies is unkown

>>149834832
I like mountain time trials this late in the GT. Sprinters thus start before the GC contenders, giving the latter the oopurtunity to overtake them. In contrast with today when Pogacar and Vingegaard rode alone.

>>149834832
uphill ITT it will be brutally boring until climax

I knew there had to be a logical explanation. Evenepoelbros we're back next year after a proper winter

>>149834888
Bora offered the same excuses for their future rider

>Hand-made Rice Krispies Treats are being churned out every morning by team soigneurs and traded around the carb-crazed peloton like they’re edible Bitcoin.
>“Everyone has Rice Krispies snacks at the moment,” team Lotto staffer Bieke Cornelle told Velo. “They’re the most popular bar in the peloton!”
>In fact, these Rice Krispies bars are the one “real food” remaining in a nutrition plan built on scientifically concocted super-fuels.
>“The only real food we use are Rice Krispie Bars. They give a high glycemic index, low fiber option,” Red Bull-Bora-Hansgrohe nutritionist Will Girling said.
>“They also give a texture and flavor difference that provides variety over the three weeks of a Tour. They’re the new rice cake!”
>Like Girling says, the rice cakes that fed the Chris Froome era are out.
>These mushy piles of sushi rice and fats have been upgraded for a leaner, meaner alternative for the high-carb era.
>Ingredients: 50g butter/coconut oil, 300g marshmallows, 200g Rice Krispies
>Rough Nutritional Info Per Square: (15 squares) Calories ~ 150kcal, Carbohydrates ~ 30g, Protein ~ 2g, Fat ~ 3g

>Still, teammate Ilan Van Wilder had a rather remarkable explanation for Evenepoel 's early drop . "A lot of riders blew themselves up trying to match Visma-Lease a Bike's pace. And Visma itself too. Because the way they race, you simply can't keep it up all the way to Paris. Sorry to break it to you, but those guys smelled blood because Tadej had crashed and pulled out all the stops. And they got caught in the cold," he told Het Nieuwsblad.
Visma sisters, our answer?

>>149834941
it's always the funnies shit in cycling when team tries to kill the competition with their pace and then ends up killing themselves and their leader

>>149834927
>Rice Krispies
what is it and how can I buy that in Austria

>>149834941
SOQ chads have been firing shots whole tour, at restday conference there were simillar stabs.

>>149834977
rice biscuits just get the cheap ones there’s also more expensive ones that cater to women trying to lose weight

>>149829512
>59 seconds between first and second
this Tour it's going to be 15 minutes

>>149834988
these ones?

Looking forward to Jonas not riding the TDF anymore
Giro and Vuelta farming from now on

>>149835049
Dude is a puncher now, send him to liege and lombardia

>>149835062
Send him to Ronde

>>149834828
'advisory role'. he has no say in race day-to-day tactics

>>149834961
To be fair, it seems they've killed everyone else too, besides Pogacar, who was the man they wanted to kill. Oh, and Roglic who killed himself

>>149832851
nice, should try the part at the end someday, hope the roads are still there

>>149834941
It was worth the try, you gotta strike it while it's hot. Their one big mistake was not to go full gas because Matteo was dropping. He's never going to make it, you need to commit to the plan as long as fishboy is feeling it. That allowed UAE to have everyone they wanted in the descent, the valley and the start of hautacam

>>149834988
>>149835040
rice krispies are like taking those rice biscuits and smashing them up into something like corn flake cereal, then mixing them with melted marshmallows and butter, spreading them into a rectange and allowing them to cool so they harden into a solid block

in the US you can buy rice krispies cereal which is just puffed rice. you can probably get it in one of your bio health food stores you austrians love so much

>>149835049
giro was more entertaining than this
total domination is neat from like an athletics standpoint but not from an entertainment perspective

>>149835220
Giro will end up being the best GT year and it’s not even close

>>149834961
Yeah, it was kinda funny, but fishboy won time vs everybody else. So it still worked out fine I'd say. And now ROG will DNS anytime too rather than expose his precious golden nose 1s to the wind for Lipo

>>149835206
I struggle to believe euros don't have rice crispies. The mainstay in breakfast cereals.

>>149835237
at least in the netherlands, breakfast cereals aren't really a thing. I think in the albert heijn by my house it's just corn flakes or muesli

>>149835232
I wonder how Roglic is grappling mentally with being sold the story he was going to be competing with Evenepoel, Vingegaard, and Pogacar to just end up being a middle of the pack player

>>149834961
Agree its a nice aspect or cycling dynamic and tactics

>>149835237
Only seen the Kellog's version here. Although the off brand rice crispies with chocolate are somehow allowed, but I guess price cartels are just weird like that

>>149835232
I don't think putting 13s on lipo is a sign of good strategy

>>149835252
He doesn't give a fuck about anything anymore, my dear Touristbert

>>149835270
lipo would have overtaken him if he didn't try to keep roglic with him for 5km

>>149835275
tapentadol is hell of a drug

>>149834961
This always happened to Landa

>>149835275
>>149835284
did he crash yesterday, or?

>>149834961
Ineos say’s hello

>>149835232
Roglic has NO IDEA who Lipowitz is

>>149835206
>you can probably get it in one of your bio health food stores you austrians love so much
just ordered 5 bags from a online reformgeschäft

>>149831427
yeah but Ulle diddnt give a fuck 50% of the year. He just wanted to eat nutella and drink beer

>>149835332
is this not what we all want
I only do long distance cycling because I like being able to eat whatever I want

>>149835332
don't forget the ciggies

>>149831442
seems like Visma psyoped themselves into thinking Jonas had the better recovery just because Pogi diddnt feed in one hot stage 3 years ago. So they made him train his punch and decided to make the first ten days ultra hard to fight against one of the best current classic riders with a 60kg one trick pony mountain midget.

>>149834927
I'd hate to be a pro-rider, consuming all that high carb sugar slop

>>149835320
Jonas is OUT of TDF!!!

>>149831648
i read a few years ago in the clinic that Lance had somewhat shitty natural values in one important metric (might have been V02 max or 02 transportation) and therefore profited a lot more from Epo than some of his enemies who had more natural talent

>>149834941
>>149834961
Crashing this box of matches with no survivors

>>149835371
Cavendish was almost thrown out of british cycling program because his VO2 max was too low

>>149835306
Kel, but he's about to find out soon enough and then he'll go "prepare for the la vuelta" instead

>>149834941
Straight facts. I would love to be on the Jumbo team bus after the race. Arrogant pricks got spanked.

>>149835351
I don't think Jonas' worsened climbing is due to different training, I just don't think he's back at his 21-23 level yet in general, and I don't believe he ever will be. What other tactic COULD Visma employ to beat Pogi, except for attempting to wear down the peloton. You have to realise, that they're not necessarily trying to wear down Pogi, but his team mates as well. Isolating him is honestly the best tactic imo, and Visma has a better team overall now that Almeida is out. Of course, it doesn't matter if Pogi can just win with solo attacks every stage, but if that's the case, Jonas could've never won regardless of training and tactics

>>149835416
also felt like they were way better at actually utilizing the team back in that era.

kuss and wout played a much more prominent role protecting and leading before, where the hell are they now?

visma unironically seem to suffer from the fact that their riders are all TOO decent (Yates former GC rider, Sepp carried to his vuelta win, Wout wanting stages). Nobody seems to rally around jonas, they all just want to do their own thing on the team

>>149835270
He's still 2mins down from fishboy. It was fine, you won't know if pog is hurt if you don't try. Their one mistake was to wait for Jorgenson. I still fucking hate those idiots, but in a way this pretty much secures fishboy the podium

plumbo pissma

>>149835379
and yet he survived those mountains time and time again

>>149823339
>Cursed Coquard Fractures Finger in Freak Feed Bag Incident
>narrowly survives time cut after bizarre injury in latest twist to his rough and tumble Tour de France.
>Frenchman broke his finger snatching a feedbag bloated with water bottles on Thursday’s stage up to Hautacam.
>Coquard was then forced to drop out of the early breakaway for an awful-looking damage assessment from race medics before he spent hours being chased by the “broom wagon.”
>“I took the bag and I was immediately in a lot of pain,” Coquard told reporters waiting for him at the top of the HC summit. “When I looked at my hand, I saw that my finger was twisted.
>“When I stopped with the doctors, I didn’t know what was happening. I made the decision to set off again, but it was a long ordeal,” Coquard said Thursday.
>“I had to do 90 kilometers on my own.”
>He was just five minutes in front of the time cut.
>“The hardest part was on the descents,” Coquard said. “I couldn’t brake with my right hand, so I had to use only the rear brake.”
>Team Cofidis said Thursday night it was working on a quick fix for Coquard’s fractured finger.
>“Bryan will be fitted with a splint, and an orthopedist will travel to find a solution to adapt his position on the bike during the time trial,” Cofidis wrote Thursday in a media statement.
>One small consolation for Coquard in his cursed Tour de France?
>His endeavors were recognized by Emmanuel Macron at the finish line Thursday. The French president had parachuted to the Pyrénées for a VIP appearance at Le Tour.
>“At least you’re smiling. Bravo, you’re courageous,” Macron said to Coquard. “I’m crossing my fingers for you – no bad play on words intended!”

>>149835416
I don't think they ever believed they could drop him. they just wanted to create splits or make him do something stupid by creating chaos. In the end they are ones who were stupid.
They should have done absolutely nothing and saved the team for the mountains. Trine was right after all.

>>149835416
>and Visma has a better team overall now that Almeida is out
both wellens and narvaez were better in the deep final yesterday

>>149835263
You mean Coco pops? It's basically candy for breakfast but british and american breakfast cereals are great. Sugar puffs the best by far. Puffed wheat glazed in sugar syrup. I don't eat cereal because I'm not 12 but good memories. Coco pops make the milk chocolatey.

>>149835416
Jonas in 2024 had his best numbers. I think he's worse this year, yes. But pog was just out of this world last year, and he's probably not going to show his full potential now that he's pretty much won it.

>>149835435
Visma need fresh blood, Kuss, WvA, even Yates are past their prime if we're honest. Jorgenson had a shit day but is kind of unproven on a GT level anyway.
UAE is starting to hit the same issue with A. Yates, Soler, Majka.

>>149835483
Honestly yeah we should apologize to Trine both Yates and Wout breaks were stupid and useless and they weren’t present when it actually mattered

>>149835490
Narvaez is pas normal tbqh

>>149835480
lmao. cursed team

>>149835500
Yates literally just won the Giro

>>149834961
Telekom Alpe d'Huez 2001

>>149835531
This smells like they have a traitor in the team

>>149835535
and now he's too tired for the Tour

>>149835535
yeah but he's been shit this Tour, barely won the stage against Arensman despite wheelsucking all day, now getting easily dropped without even doing a pull on the front

>>149835500
UAE has del toro (albeit retarded) and ayuso (albeit retarded)

>>149835535
Doesn't mean he isnt past his prime. He won not because of legs but tactical retardation from UAE aka rich movistar. He looks shite at this tour, just about beating arensman to a stage. He was 1 and a half minutes behind a Del Taco at the giro coming into the final important stage. Its not good enough.

>>149835554
They really need to find a brain doping drug. Cycling could really benefit from this as a whole

Why are there no downhill ITT?

>>149835483
How would Jonas beat Pogi with fresh legs AND with the entire UAE team fresh as well? I don't see it, you have to eliminate the assistants and force him to do work. If there is a crack in the tactic, it is that Jonas has been comitting to sprints/pulling in the peloton. They should be comfortable giving up a lead to Pogi, if the tactic is to wear him down. Also his TT was abysmal, which is really what has made the tactic an issue. If he'd TT'd decently, I think Jonas had a shot of winning still. As of now, 2nd is not even secured despite the comparatively weak competition. That's the issue. If Visma ride to win, they risk losing the podium entirely. Obviously Visma could ride easy and take second without a sweat, but why would they want that.

>>149835490
I'll admit to that, but no one knew how good Wellens would be before the tour had startes, at which point the tactic had already been decided upon.

>>149835569
it's not Safe(R)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jod-lKd_-c

can wait for le zigzague kino later

If Jumbo are getting Vauquelin that is a big positive for them, though Id wish the top riders didnt go to one of two teams. Onley will be moving youd think too but where, I wonder. I cant see Ineos because a lot of british riders have a grudge against british cycling establishment, though ineos is less involved with british cycling now.

Onley to UAE would be a curse on his career. Onley needs to either stay where he is or some team like Bora of Bahrain.

>>149835569
There used to be

>>149835591
They should bring them back. Maybe then Pidcock will have a chance of another stage

>>149835580
why would Onley have a grudge against british cycling?

>11km

this shit is gonna be over by 3 today

>>149835496
Exactly, that's why I think you should take out his assistants and try to isolate him. How do you win a boxing match against someone who has 40 pounds on you? Easy. You bring 5 other guys.

>>149835571
>How would Jonas beat Pogi with fresh legs AND with the entire UAE team fresh as well
If both teams had entered the mountains fresh it would be Kuss, Yates, Jorgenson vs Yates because Sivakov was ill and Almeida crashed out. All other domestiques should be dropped easily if they are fresh and set a high pace

>>149835620
>smartest Dane

>>149835622
you try that in the mountains not on week 1 sprint stages

I think the point of visma was mainly to drop narvaez before the climb start. The full on leadout where pogi doesn't have to drop Jonas himself and then slowly rides away is deadly for them

>>149835550
That face kek

>>149835616
A lot of brits were shunned in recent years from British cycling development routes, Ben Healy the biggest example who changes nationality because of it. British cycling is an extremely cliquey organisation who favour certain personalities types over pure talent so it leaves riders scorned because they never got a chance despite being stronger than their peers.

British cycling development was very linked to track and their road riders would often be heavily influenced by their track team. It worked for the golden generation of Wiggins, Thomas, Rowe etc. They have olympic programs for youths too, so when I was racing as a youth I remember lads would show up in fancy kit but they weren't really that fast on the road. But they were the ones getting road opportunities at that age.

I don't know how it is now, I see a lot more brits going straight onto the continent into a dev team which IMO is actually brilliant, but I still think having a 'national' world tour team to nurture your nations talent in an environment they're more used to ie british staff and pros who can nurture them, then that'd produce better riders.

I don't know Onley's situation, I know he was supported by the Rayner fund which supports british riders racing on the continent as a charity. I don't think there's as much 'grudge' from riders this generation because generally people seem to WANT to go straight to europe and don't care for british cycling. But some still do, like Healy. I think it's more of a disconnect than grudge I guess. I'd want to race for a british team if I was a WT rider but that's just me.

>>149835620
Danish humor

>>149835639
> 7
Maybe for the last hour

>>149835682
interesting info. all things considered, Onley to Ineos seems like a logical transfer if Onley has no hard feelings. Ineos is starving for GC talents and would grab him fast.

>>149835715
>Onley to Ineos seems like a logical transfer
also in ideal replacement for Slippy G as the resident chute merchant

>>149835754
the collector got too many samples from Onley, so he's kinda chute proofed at this point

>>149835636
But the idea is to make sure UAE didn't enter the mountains with good legs, so obviously you can't wait until the mountain stages

>>149835715
>Ineos
They're getting vauquelin

>>149835775
but he's linked with Visma

>>149835623
But then Pogi wouldn't be isolated which is the entire point of the tactic. Besides, your idea requires predicting that Almeida would crash out

>>149835770
UAE didn’t take the bait however many times they just let go on these hard stages meanwhile Matteo had to go all in hard to keep the gc threat alive

I remember lads (me included) would actively travel to races where the likes of Askey was racing just to race him lmao. 3hr drive each way, good times. But the races where the olympic riders showed up no one gave a fuck, I can't even name one that I remember who made it big, though I don't follow track. A lot of the strong riders from my age generation went to europe bar maybe Vernon obviously who's a better trackie. Knight, Askey, Healy, Fred Wright I think too. Not sure if Ben Turner did track but I know he was involved a lot in the national team because he was blisteringly quick. Pidcock just won everything. Same with Askey, NC's would be collected by each of them because they were never in the same age group.

Regret not racing in belgium with my friend, he raced Remco a few times in some nationals. Good times.

>>149835715
That would be really great to see. It's uncertain Jim will keep ineos as a sponsor for years to come so maybe Britian will have no WT team or sponsors. I think Ineos getting a clear out is good. Thomas retiring is brilliant, a whole new eco-system seems to be needed. New exciting riders. Carlito is a major disappointment, Arensman seems to be a liablity too. Bernal is just a C tier rider in this current peloton.

This roster is shite, 6 british riders, one retiring and one should retire. No national identity from any nation. Mix match all various nations I think is catastrophe for teams. They'll have more french which will be interesting. Need to really angle for the French + Anglo alliance here.

>>149835787
Armirail is, French rumors have been putting vauquelin at ineos for a while now

>>149835799
Agreed, UAE have been spectacular this tour. I think they've realised that depending on Pogi's ability alone is an unsustainable tactic, even though Pogi has only been improving lately.

>>149835787
I made that up Rusbert. Because it made squeakers seethe uncontrollably and that is funny

>>149835835
Also pogi could have won 2 more stages but they didn't even try

>>149835806
watching Ineos collapsing from a juggernaut of cycling to their current state has been fascinating, not gonna lie. I still remember dumbass discussions how there should be pay limit because they dominated too much.

>>149835806
Isn't "until" with one L. Nice professional website there

>>149835849
On which stages do you think UAE have not been trying? In my eyes, they've been riding very cynically

>>149835851
They were the concept, UAE are the real deal. Buying colnago is genuinely hilarious. It's like redbull f1 team HQ was next to UK Trek HQ. Trek refused to move when redbull wanted to expand. SO redbull bought the holding company that ran the building Trek HQ was leasing and just kicked them out lmfao.

Not long until the peloton begins colluding against UAE I think because their next generation is disgustingly over powered.

>>149835878
Stage 6 and stage 10

>>149835878
Stage 6, 10 and 11 they let the break go or he would have won

Imagine living in Loudenvielle

I'm still wondering why they chose Y1Rs instead of V5Rs for yesterday stage

>>149835972
me too. It doesnt make any sense

>>149835972
Because they were climbing at 30km/h when pog got launched

>>149835979
Eurosport commentators mentioned that yesterday. But personally, this metric is too dependent on the WC parcours. If the UCI choses a flat WC to pad Sagan's palmares, the climbers are at a distinct disadvange to achieve this.

>>149835179
this, but roglic actually started off dead already

The quality of the top 10 is much worse than last year. Overall the level was higher in 2024

>>149836099
Lipowitz Onley and Vauqelin will all age very well in future retrospect

Has it ever been more over for the Bee Hive? :’(

>>149835897
>>149835919
Ah sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you meant that UAE had won stages without trying to

Tour of R*ssia has a rest day

>>149836175
is it only russians and other CIS participating

>>149836197
Spaniard Matvei TOKAREV is attending

Visma satellite tactic today

>>149835480
I thought euros front braked with the left hand

>>149836231
we do, I am confused as well

>>149836157
2nd in the le tour is not an insignificant result, but I hope they finally put fishboy to farm some hilly one days and / or giro/vuelta. That would be better for everyone, including the quality of the other gts

>>149836175
It's gonna be a BLAST :D

>>149836482
*Oblast

>>149835187
Yeah sure still there, this one

Stage 3

Santhià broke the fork and replaced it with wood + barbwire, we need this kind of racing in modern days

>>149836545
>oscar egg

Is Lipowitz OUR guy?

>>149836563
ofc not

>>149836578
he beats vinegar tday btw

>>149834941
stop running your strategy through retarded youtubers lmao

>>149836563
who?

>>149836563
Yeah, he’s a good kid

>>149836563
reddit tier

>>149836617
best burger comment in a while

>>149836563
Ja

what Remco did yesterday showed growth

>>149835351
this is correct. they had the wrong theory about pogi recovery ability and based everything on that, ignoring recent and more salient evidence to the contrary. past uae incompetence baited visma into bad strategy.

>>149836558
We suspect it's a fake rider, was common practice already back in the days
Like look at this, rider is from Cavaglià, surname is Santhià like the near town, fake rider

>>149836662
had to try something innit

Why are you still making these threads ?
Don't you know the TdF ended yesterday ?>>149825875
You can move back to your lives now.

>>149836563
btw OURGUY is obviously TRINE

Reminder that Pogacar is only 26 years old

>>149836666
Can't wait for the tourists to move on, so we can get back to regular /cyc/ posting.

>>149836666
This. I'm only here for tdf femme goon webms

>>149836666
>go be a woman somewhere else

imagine a japanese person saying roel van sintmaartensdijk's name. row ran sintumartensrick

>>149836666
Paris is nog steeds ver michel

Orla is too brightly colored compared to the rest of the panel

>>149836712
gooning is life

>cycling shitcoin commercial
I hate this gay reality

>>149836726
Roeru ban sintumarutensuriku

if i was a pakistan protestor i would dive tackle mike woods at some point on this climb

>>149836730
I have found myself transfixed by her dress

>>149836712
It's coming in my town, ville arrivée, I might go take a look at it and post pics if I can.

>>149836726
Jsports broadcast doesn't start until 14:00 sadly

>>149836726
you ought to her how a 'toids Japanese sounds to the native ear

>>149836752
isn't dijk pronounced like dyke? should be daiku then

>>149836741
Legit looks like a scam ad

why did they single out Ploop?

>>149836730
let her be a woman

>>149836813
of course. I'm saying the rest should be in hawaiian shirts or something

>>149836805
top 10'd last TT and reasonably good uphill not like there's anything but frauds in the first hour or so starters.

>>149836791
I was following his attempted transliteration.

>>149836805
Tree times ITT champion of his cuntry would be my guess

>>149836821
I wish men could also wear whimsical patterns and not be bullied for it

>Injuries often manifests two days after a fall
>Day after you blow up you are often much stronger