Previously:
>>95834439I MAKE NEW RAT Edition
>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025
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>TQ:What Commander would you make 1/1 Offspring tokens with?
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>>95844173 (OP)>What Commander would you make 1/1 Offspring tokens with?I M A G I N E
>>95844173 (OP)>What Commander would you make 1/1 Offspring tokens with?Ghoulcaller Gisa
What the fuck does Dimir even do other than Mill and combo?
>>95844249You can pose this exact question with each other color identity and their given stereotypes
>>95844239I can't tell who this is, anon.
>>95844249surveil and clone?
>>95844249dimir can be a kindly lord
>>95844265>he doesn't knowWarden, transmograntize this man.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>95844249Anything black can win with life drain
Mono blue's traditional non-combo wincon is flying creatures or overcosted Leviathan beaters after controlling the board but that just doesn't work in the commander climate of winning with "when you do thing each opponent loses 2 life"
>>95844249zombies and (gay) lovecraftian horrors
>>95844500god damn. Would fuck.
both of them
>>95844249Cheat bombs into play
>>95844173 (OP)>What Commander would you make 1/1 Offspring tokens with?every legendary human anime girl in mtg is my wife
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>>95844173 (OP)>What Commander would you make 1/1 Offspring tokens with?There is only one logical answer to such a question
>>95844639Her and Krenko were the first ones I thought of. Probably the strongest choice
>want to use Gilraen Dรบnedain Protector for my princesses and unicorns deck
>can't stomach playing cards with coastal urbanite autism art
>decide I'll just make a proxy with some lightening
>realize after I'm done that lightening just made the boon features even more noticeable and immersion breaking
I can't stop laughing. Guess I'll just use different art instead.
>>95844696I am sorry you have mental problems
Since we're on the subject, I'm getting tired of DEI angels. We desperately need more hot blonde bimbo hoversluts.
>>95844731Yes, female ones though. Male angels have been creeping in slowly and there's a lot of "female" ones now intentionally drawn to be androgynous with shit like bald heads.
There's plenty of tribes to ply that nonsense to. Can we have one proud and untouched coomer race?
Funny how asking for sexy female angels again can still get pushback when we have a vampire itt with a chiseled six pack laid bare for everyone to see
>>95844836They still exist
>>95844765is this the only good Venture card
>>95844840>They still existSerra Avenger showing her tummy was a long time ago
>>95844836I also want sexy female vampires but they were co-opted as female coombait by pearl rubbers like Anne Rice decades ago, so them being made to appeal to quirk chunguses and rainbow boys at least has pre-Magic pop culture precedent and doesn't feel as forced as making elves fat with beards and bulldyke angels.
The funniest thing about Wizards intentionally sinking their own sales by fighting against der coomer is that they have worked with so many artists who could deliver top shelf goods if they just let them cook. Pic related got about 60 cards under their belt for wizards, and the art for the cards they got ranged from okay to pretty good, but if you check out their Patreon or artstation it's dangerously based with goonbait. They obviously like drawing it and they're really good at doing so but wizards apparently just doesn't want money bad enough to appeal to the kind of males who are currently throwing literal billions of dollars at vtubers and ethots and gacha games because pp. I'm willing to bet they made more from private commissions than they get from WOTC. It's just baffling to me that WOTC doesn't want a slice of that pie.
>>95844836>last booba vampire was 4 years ago
>>95844903>It's just baffling to me that WOTC doesn't want a slice of that pie.Given their obvious inclination towards UB now, it's really not that surprising. Magic can't afford to be edgy or goonery the way it once was anymore, simply because that's not profitable to stakeholders, and dangerous to hasbro's image as a family friendly company. Goonbait likely wouldn't even sell more product either, it'd just raise the price of the goonery cards.
>>95844946don't worry she has a dick you can suck on as well
shill me your favorite tall +1 counter commanders
bonus points if he works on a budget
>>95844965Ygra, eater of all is a beeg kitty and very cute you should give her some pets and maybe feed half your creatures to her, as a treat
>>95844935Nah. People dump thousands chasing goonbait in other games. This wouldn't be any different.
>>95844958boobadickandballsa
>>95844965I built her as lifegain.dek with a splash of reanimate
>>95844836His anatomy is trash so it's fine.
>>95844974I always wanted to understand why Ygra is so expensive. What's the secret?
>>95844967shorties that grow tall with time can come too
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Anyone have any advice on what to look for in a card binder? Or are there no differences between them?
>Offer deckbuilding advice to a player one time
>He's now just sending me unfocused EDHrec piles asking for cuts
>Just taking out the objectively horrible cards would probably put him below 100
>Condensing it to one goal instead of two or three would probably take it below 60
>Don't have the energy to fix his decks when he's doing shit like running Fling with no targets in grixis
Is there a polite way to tell this guy he's being a fucking moron and needs to focus down his decks beyond random cards he thinks might sometimes produce value, BEFORE asking me for free deckbuilding advice?
Jesus christ I suddenly understand why every content creator charges for this stuff. Just looking at these lists is so draining and the fix is always "Pick one focus instead of five. Cut the random goodstuff bombs that cost 8 mana. Add protection/removal/draw. Stop running 25 lands."
>that one piรง that keeps seething the entire game because you removed their T1 Sol Ring
I can't play Kotis anymore, there are some people that really, REALLY can not handle their cards getting stolen
>>95845150>ask content creator fur cuts&includes>they add the same 10 cards to each deck because of their playgroup bubble and utter lack of self awarenesswhy would someone do, let alone pay, for that?
>>95845182Probably because it still unironically improves their deck when I see people doing dumb shit like running Blood Money in every deck thinking "But I could get 40 treasures in one turn!!!" then what actually ends up happening is they die before they can cast it.
So it's a mix of the player being too dumb to realize they're not actually getting advice from someone not phoning it in, and the fact that the deck is so bad that this phoned in advice still improved it anyway.
>>95845182The world is full of idiots
>>95845178why do these kind of unfunny 'white blob' webcomics always feel the need to include so much unnecessary and redundant text?
>>95843148>>95843224these. brackets are based because "they are totally not banned guise" so I can still sell them at full price even tho they are not allowed to be played
>Brackets are super epic and are gonna fix the game, guise!
>Brackets: brought to you by the people who designed Dockside Extortionist, Hullbreacher Golos, Nadu and heaps of other untested garbage to come!
>>95845150Easiest one is:
>"What do you want to do when you sit down to play this deck?"Ask him if he's even looked at his own deck.
Literally just start pointing to cards and ask:
>"What does this do? In the context of your deck? What cards synergize directly with it? What turn does it do that effect at it's earliest? How consistent is getting it off?"Don't need to really listen to any words he's saying either if you can't be assed, just listen if he's scrambling for an answer, or has actually thought about it.
And try:
>"Have you goldfished or tested this deck?">"Assuming nothing at all happens, do you have a threatening boardstate and or hand by turn [depends on whatever bracket or powerlevel you play]?"99% he can't answer jackshit. First part is making him admit that. Naturally, don't shittalk him for admitting that. Deckbuilding can be pretty overwhelming for noobs since most cards just seem pretty functional.
Then you can ask things like:
>"What boardstate do you want to achieve by turn 6-7? Name the actual cards, both in hand and on board">"What's the perfect opening hand for you?">"Goldfish your deck 10 times. Compile how your hand and board look at turn 7. Are you hitting all 7 lands? If not, how many out of 7? From which turn do you start missing them?"And when he still can't answer the first two:
>"Why the FUCK did you make this deck if you clearly don't care? WHY did you pick the commander? WHY did you put ANY of the cards in the 99? If you can't answer any of these, you should simply abandon the deck"In the case he CAN answer that he picked Pantlaza because he wants to play dinos and turn them sideways, you can start from the top again. Eventually, he'll break from the cycle if he's committed.
I probably did not word this in an ideal manner. But this helped me tune my own decks and helping me teach my noob friends how to deckbuild.
Best of luck anon.
>>95845150>>95845280isn't this supposed to be the casual tabletop kitchen format tho
>friend complains about power level of my bracket 2 decks
>rebuild one deck using draft chaff
>think it's still ok
>lose every game on commander night
>friend calls later and apologizes
it must have been a real shitty deck to make him feel that bad about it
>>95845280>"What do you want to do when you sit down to play this deck?"hot him, but I have built and tested over a hundred decks by now, and I keep running into the same trap of building a commander because I think he sounds cool, only to realize on the 3rd-5th iteration of the deck that it plays completely different from what I expected.
I think I can count the decks who did exactly what I expected from them on one hand.
>>95845299I think my funniest one was building Don Andres and it turned into Coastal Piracy tribal.
>>95845299a good example of this is white gandalf
>just stack double ETB effects>maybe some classics like myr battlesphere>can also make heavy use of flicker and recursion for even more ETB triggers>realize that mono white and artifact ETB triggers are really meh>realize the only reliable way to win is fishing for infinite combos or else even precons will fuck you up
Brackets totally fixed "every deck is a 7" towards "every deck is bracket 2"
>>95845286Yeah it is, but I don't see how that's relevant for this. Anon's got a friend who shows them a pile of cards and asks to make cuts, while seemingly? not making their own effort to cut down to 100 and make a playable deck. Can make a casual tabletop kitchen deck all the same. Still got to adhere to the 100 card deck rule though.
>>95845299That's part of the natural deckbuilding process I reckon. Not at 100 myself probably, but I know your feelings well enough. Been there done that. I've gotten better at recognizing it, but I still regularly fall into that trap too. The simple problem is that there's usually essential info about your deck you can only glean from playing it.
>Made Ojer Axonil spellslinger since I never went through actually making a spellslinger deck in paper, assumed I'd be throwing 10-20 damage nukes every now and then>Turns out in paper that it always becomes 1-hit-K.O. combos>Friend made Massacre Girl removal tribal and added one 3-card infinite as a "backup">Every game he played with the deck ended up revolving around him finding the infinite by drawing his entire deckFunnily enough, the first ever deck I brewed, Xenagos, played exactly how I intended to brew him. Difficult to imagine getting sidetracked while building the benchmark huge creature go sideways commander, to be fair.
>>95845266on the contrary. they first just copied the npcrec salt list and then threw their hands in the air and gave the wheel to the community to start voicing which cards should be added
Is there a way to build this guy that isn't cEDH turn 2 win shit? There seems to be an insufficient amount of towns to try and go that route. Gates?
>>95844173 (OP)RAT
PUSSY
Also I'm pissed what they did to my girl Freya, while a red mana dork for equipment is interesting, I wanted something MUCH cooler for her
>>95845346you would have to try a bit to make it cEDH.
what maeks you interested in this Simic 5 Color Slopper in the first place, if not towns and shit?
>>95845396I mean the towns thing interested me at first but there isn't enough support for that to be an actual thing
>>95845395Take solace that this card will be played in every single equipment deck for the next ten years.
>>95845395I tossed her in my Sephiroth deck
She seems useful in the 99. Boring as shit if you try to make her a commander though
Whats your favorite tool/tech/trick in rakdos?
>>9584534623 different towns is not enough for you? Iโm building that one for my next commander with towns with the quest of finding the 5 crystals in the deckโฆ
>>95845444The amount of towns is fine (24 if you use planar nexus)
The amount of pay offs for it is...uh...Just Minstrel and I guess traverse the town. There are only like 5 support cards for it. They made enough towns but forgot enough support
What commander is closest to a Temur Ascendancy on legs
>>95845164One of my cards got literally stolen. As in, the guy took the fucker home with him.
Also, MtG players are greasy. Get your sticky paws away from my cards.
>>95845487This little nigger
>>95845346I'd build him gates. 8 mana for a worse overrun seems bad
what's cool is that you could hve a manabase with the shittiest taplands known to man and it would still be functional
Got suckered into playing a local cedh event with a friend on a borrowed deck, and holy shit this format is dogwater anons
>People malding because they're in the "wrong seat for my deck"
>The greasiest motherfuckers you've ever seen
>Constant angle shooting
>Its turn 1, guy in seat 4 is already asking for an intentional draw and flashing his hand w/ counterspells
>"Can we restart?" after their draw engine gets countered
>"I deserve to win so here's my reason why" as they're whining on a rant about it
>Catch a guy just tutoring at random to put a card on top
>whatthefuck.jpg
>"Oh I cast enlightened tutor during all this arguing and no one responded so I'm tutoring from it"
>Call a judge and tell them what happened
>"Sorry anon but there's no proof he didn't declare his spell so play on as normal"
>All this over a fucking $50 store credit prize for 1st and boosters for 2nd/3rd/4th
What a fucking mess of a "format" I'd rather pour hot lead down my urethra that deal with that again
>>95845628I don't believe this happened
>>95845453But anon we gotta include a bajillion legendary creatures from Final Fantasy IX! Think of all the legendary creatures!
>>95845656I do, CEDH players get absolutely deranged when there are prizes on the line
>>95845628 this accurately describes every cedh player I've met
>>95845628>arguing on other peoples turns>being mad that YOU prefered to argue with these greaseballs instead of paying attention.he is the based on in this situation, you should keep playing with him
>>95845656I wish I was kidding anon I really do, but I even left out the more egregious parts like a guy complaining to the TO that someone was "metagaming him" because they extripated his LED in response to an underworld breach
>>95845628>Constant angle shootingYeah welcome to cedh lol
>>95845664I dunno, only cEDH tournament I went to people were chill save for one at my table that was visibly upset at me fucking up, only to win anyway:
>playing against tymna/thrasios. apparently there were like 4 of them that night>playing my fastest and best deck I had as a casual player at the time: chatterfang combo>manage to drain and aggro kill 2 of the 3 opponents, cEDH players barely run creatures and don't usually block>have vampiric and demonic tutor in hand, know that the other player will win next turn with a graveyard combo>fuck up and tutor leyline of the void to the top of my deck at sorcery speed>realize it and say "aw shit, guess I'll have to do it again and grab the card I put on top with demonic tutor">opponent scoops because all he can do is pass and die on my turn>hear later that I got lucky because I had the backup tutor
>>95845628>"Can we restart?" after their draw engine gets counteredThis is always the most baffling part to me, can you imagine asking for a restart in a modern tournament or even at standard fmn? You'd be laughed out of the building.
Competitive magic sucks in part because the best way to get a win is to get your opponent dq'd.
Magic is a complex game and most pro players grind in MTG, so they might miss or shortcut something and then a shrewd opponent calls a judge at every opportunity. It's toxic AF.
How balanced are the off-the-shelf commander decks?
I got the FF catgirl one but I'm confused about the number of basic lands in it.
Are those enough or does it need some tinkering?
>>95845628Duel commander is the only form of EDH that's even close to being a good competitive format and it's still bad.
I've got two questions, hopefully somebody can help me with at least one:
- Is using The Master of Keys with Rooms any fun? I like the synergy between giving enchantments escape combined with the room that makes creature tokens when cards leave my graveyard. If anybody here has built him with Rooms, how fun is it? Not so much concerned about power level, more so whether you find that play style to be fun?
-What's the better way to build Megatron? An Aristocrats-style deck where I'm mostly concerned with bleeding my opponents for as much damage as I can, leaning into his top face's ability to generate mana based on how much life my opponents have lost? Or by stacking my deck with lots of huge artifacts and ways to cheat them out, to get the most out of his bottom face's ability of sacrificing artifacts to deal lots of damage to my opponent's creatures?
>TQ
Savra, my beloved, my beautiful. Let us make tons of 1/1 black/green creature tokens we can then sacrifice to tear our enemies' boards apart creature by creature.
>>95845785Play something yourself to determine if it's fun desu
>>95845443>nobody ever removes her>"ah cute skeletons">"ah shit that's a lot of skeletons">"ANON STOP"
>>95845800List? What's the background?
>>95845628>>95845705what are some examples of cedh angle shooting?
>t. new to the format
>>95845800i always think that tiny skull on her head is her actual hat
>>95845814like in that anons example, where one used the opportunity of the table arguing to just cast his shit and claim no one responded, even though obviously something else had to be discussed first (another case of angle shooting of course)
>>95845809iron throne background
just fill the deck with 20+ aristocrat effects for artifacts and tokens, up to 10 token engines, a bunch of token and treasure spells, a bunch of sac outlets (warren soultrader is by far the best one), a bit support like Harmonic Prodigy, some theft interaction (Tentative Connection!)
strategy: early aggro with tokens (that you turn into skeletons) and keeping the life of everyone balanced, then build up a bunch of aristocrats, reach critical mass (usually 3-5 individual aristocrat effects) and sac everything to kill the table. on a <$100 budget, it reaches that state pretty consistently around t6-7.
>>95844173 (OP)>TQI'd tap that, but can't say she'll produce any tokens.
>>9584576737 lands are ok. the issue are the filter lands that don't produce mana unless you have another in play and the check lands, the latter requires more basics in your deck to be optimal.
also ha ing a commander that triggers off life lost (even your own) and include only one pain land is retarded. put all three in there
>>958458004/1 menace is good enough. was trying to build her boros a while ago
>>95845831honestly given the last sorta 6 months or so 'talk to death' meta i can barely blame the guy
he was probably screaming I CAST E TUTOR ANY RESPONSES?
and 3 faggots were going LOOK I REVEAL MY HAND, I HAVE NO ACTION, JUST COUNTERS - DRAW? DRAW? DRAW? DRAW? DRAW?
i honestly enjoy cEDH in theory, and used to try to defend it here as i like the stack interaction and sort of 'freedom' from rule 0 power discussions it can bring but jesus christ, post bans the rhystic midrange meta and talk/politics meta made it so crushingly shit
>>95845487For the haste effect, mostly. Cascade gets you kind of close to the card draw effect.
>>95846022The format trades "freedom" from rule 0 with a horrible playerbase (yes even worse than regular edh or MTG) and with an unfun meta
>>95845212This is such a sad post
>>95845286>casual means I can never ever ever improve and never ever think about the game
>>95845320What? Flood the board with tokens, buff them, swing. Remove your opponents stuff and swing. If the only way you can win is through infinites the failure is yours.
>>95846113it honestly felt like i was back in /v/.
>words words wordsThey treat reading like its a problem.
>>95845346This garbage would never see cedh play and its definitely not winning games early what the fuck are you on about
>>95845757This isnt a thing
>>95846131I tried, it never worked out for me. Comes in way too late.
>>95845757It happens, but these players get beat up in the parking lot after the tournament.
>>95846133It's not that reading is a problem, it's that you can kill your own joke by being too redundant. Example:
>I attack with iron man>I block with pikachu>then I tap a pokeball and discard selena gomez>in response, I destroy iron man>I reanimate iron man with grimace shake.>I target iron man with sabrina carpenter's activated ability>ummmm, what are you guys playing? All I see are pop-culture references!!>well duh! It's MTG, of course>don't you know Magic when you see it??>I don't know... the MTG I remember didn't use to have all these things...>what do you mean? This is Magic The Gathering!>yeah, can't you see this rizzo planeswalker?>yeah, check out this luke skywalker too!>ugh... that's what I mean when I say this doesn't look like MTGAnd you could go on.
>>95845628Did they tell you that spot removal is bad and >5cmc commanders are bad in casual edh?
>>95845767Counter blitz is fun and does its game plan well, it also has some intricate timed interactions with pulling counters at the right time specifically with sagas, letting you keep them on the field longer and proliferating them for double effect when you can
They can definitely be made better with a few card tweaks but out of the box it works and is complex enough to be engaging
>>95846021Do you mean "not good enough"?
So now that people have had time to brew, what legendaries from the FF set turned out to be the best commanders? I know Vivi is absurd, but who else?
There are some that look like they have interesting gimmicks for a commander, like Zenos, but I've heard that he doesn't actually make for a good deck because he simply draws too much hate for his gimmick to matter.
>>95845800>token deck>can't run doublerssuffering
>>95846283I don't know if its good or not, but a colorless Ultima deck seems quite strong. Both because the commander acts as a mana doubler, making dropping big eldrazi and overcosted artifacts easy, and blighting enemy lands to fuck with their color access. Which won't be very effective against a monocolor deck, but a 2 or 3 color deck where you specifically target their multicolor lands or whatever color they have the least of could be really painful.
>yfw when you are a red/white deck on turn 7 and the only white mana you have on your board is from an any-color mana rock, everything else is mountains and wastes
With the removal of the reference/link to the Commander Rules Committee from the Comprehensive Rules during the update for the Final Fantasy release, there is no longer anything whatsoever* that disallows you from Wishing cards into your game.
(*aside from the usual "no copies, keep within identity" rule)
Wishes now work
Lessons now work
Karn now works
>>95845628your points basically boil down to
>casual players that have never played competitive magic in their lives suddenly play decks with real muscle and thus don't know how to behave with it, like most of humanity would when given an ounce of actual power>cedh has many similarities with poker (angle shooting, seating being important) and should be approached accordinglyin theory there is no reason why cedh cannot work when poker can - it all boils down to judges actively monitoring the table - but at the same time too many people want to win without having the proper etiquette or social iq (go figure this hobby is full of autists) so the solution really is a return to public shaming again
>>95846357Edh still doesn't have a sideboard so wishes still do nothing
>>95846374Limiting your wishes to your sideboard is only an additional rule in tournament games. In casual games, you can wish from among your entire personal collection.
>>95844731These are your angels now and they are brave and stunning queens
>>95845346I don't think you realize the c in cEDH stands for "competitive", not "casual".
>>95846272nah, punching people with 4/1s that must be blocked by at least 2 creatures is good enough for bracket 2/3
>>95844731You know, thinking about it... where did the idea of blonde white angels specifically come from? Given where the religion is from, shouldn't angels by default look like middle eastern people?
>>95845757you can say this with literally any sport, that the best way to win them is to abuse the rules, that's why you see flopping in basketball, people still play them though and for good reason
methinks you just shouldn't play in any kind of competition of any sort beyond your kitchen table, it's not a good place for you lol
>>95846392that is depending on your table. I say it allows you to get a previously exiled face up card back to your hand like pic related
>>95846530yours is not a top 8 post for sure lol
>>95846357i get your point but gavin once again needs to do his job, stop watching doctor who, and actually say this publicly in the mothership
>>95846191>comes in way to lateWhat does?
>>95846220comic strips usually have only two dialogues per box yes, but is the fact that there were three in the first box enough to have triggered your autism?
>>95846357>>95846374>>95846392https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28o%3Aoutside+OR+o%3Alearn%29+-%22You+Find+the+Villains%27+Lair%22+-%22Sovereign%27s+Realm%22&order=color
Here's all the cards that now have full functionality in Commander.
Well... except for Legion Angel. You need to encounter a specific scenario for it.
>903.11. If a player is allowed to bring a card from outside the game into a Commander game, that player canโt bring a card into the game this way if it has the same name as a card that player had in their starting deck, if it has the same name as a card that the player owns in the current game, or if any color in its color identity isnโt in the color identity of the playerโs commander.So, you'd need SOMEONE ELSE to have a Legion Angel on the table for some goddamn reason, AND you'd need to at least be playing white, AND you'd need to own a Legion Angel card but not have it in your deck, AND you'd need to find a way to either steal their Legion Angel in a way that blinks it onto your side, or make a token copy of it on your side. THEN you could grab your own Legion Angel and bring it into the game.
>>95846357Wrong. They stated when they took over things that are changing will be explicitly stated. Wishes weren't allowed, they haven't explicitly stated they are now, so nothing has changed.
>>95844173 (OP)>TQI'm not a furry but
>>95846359Bro unironically said social IQ lmao
>>95845159>Run an artifact deck>Opp plays artifact hate>Doesn't understand why I'm focusing him, hitting him not 10+ a turn.
>>95846425You are so unbelievably fucking stupid it hurts. It comes from the fact that whiteness/light is associated with purity/the divine. Which every culture has always known
>>95846610concession accepted
>>95846530I can count on one hand the amount of times an MTG game has been won off a dq
>>95846626Concession to what? You didnt make any arguments anon, you just stated a bunch of your beliefs. Fuck sakes zoomies have destroyed this board
>>95846637Good thing gandalf is not needed to spam etbs and take off, he just makes it more effective. You're a bad player. Gandalf is a ridiculous card.
>>95846643i literally stated cedh should be handled more like poker you dumb motherfucker, what the hell is wrong with you?
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She'll be desperate enough someday with her GF away.
>>95846650>I literally STATEDExactly, stated, didnt argue. So what is the concession for dipshit
>>95846661No.
>>95845628I'm so happy I dodged the cEDH bullet thanks to DC getting introduced to MTGO. Don't get me wrong, the format is far from perfect and it has its own problems but 1v1 competitive is what I want from this game, I don't think multiplayer and competitive should mix.
>>95846664>nothen it's not true
the existence of my official, centrally located document supersedes the nonexistence of yours
>>95846664>why can't cedh work when poker can>therefore cedh should be more like pokerkekw there really is something wrong with you, sad!
>>95846643>gandalf is not needed to spam etbs and take offyeah he is sadly. everyone just anticipates him for instant removal, and then you are not gonna cast him again for the rest of the game, being stuck with a meh etb durdleshit deck.
>>95846678No actually you being uninformed and refusing to inform yourself isn't a strong position. It was stated very clearly nothing changes except what is stated. Wishes are still not allowed
>>95846683...where's the argument? Do you know what an argument is anon? You are aware it is not simply making statements rights?
>>95846685Your bad. My gandalfs winrate is 80%
>>95846695>It was stated very clearlywhere
>>95846695don't look now but all you're saying is that i'm wrong just cuz without giving any reason why cedh shouldn't be treated more like poker lmao
I double my Cactuar's power with Xenagod. Take 20,000?
>>95846771sir you already tried this last thread
>>95846695>My gandalfs winrate is 80%that means your opponents are bad, not that gandalf is good.
>>95846621That sounds like retroactive justification at work. You know that christianity didn't *start* in Europe during the renaissance, right?
>>95846771I block with my Gandalf since it has no trample!
>>95846835>universes within slopEEEWWW
>>95846812You know christianity isn't the only religion with an "angel" type being and they are all white with the exception of Hinduism which made their devas dark blue.
Sounds like you dont have a clue what you're talking about anon
>>95846989Adding to this anon: if the religion you reference is from europe you get no points, because the whole point is whether or not such beings look like the culture that created them or what white people projected onto it after the fact. Like how paintings of Jesus showed him as dark skinned and with jewish features from the 3rd century up to about the 15th century, after which renaissance artists shifted to making him lighter skinned and blue eyed to be more palatable to the europeans comissioning the paintings.
>>95846989Not going to continue off topic discussion anon. Do 5 minutes of research yourself.
>>95846425angels evolved from bird worship. bird worship was common in ancient religions, the most common symbol of this is the winged disc symbol (google it if you want to know more). in medieval Christianity, the symbol evolved into cherubs, which were then taken by the Americans and made sexy. most notable about cherubs and modern angels is that they always have golden (not blonde) hair.
the colour white being linked to purity is probably found in most cultures because of clothing. I just know about Europe - clean white clothing reflects the sun and makes you stand out, but at the same time, you see every stain on it and it's hard to keep clean, so wearing white was a sign of elegance (festive dresses) or status (priests, nobility).
>>95847053>>95846989Okay I wasn't going to but we have some very bad actors in here
Amesha spentas (given colored robes in art but described in the text as dazzlingly bright), fravashi. Heck even in south America, their cosmologies have blindingly white creator deities and his helpers too, look up the mapuches or Pillan who is described as shining like fire and has a headdress of white and black feathers.
None of these are from European sources. Heck in Hinduism white is associated with wisdom knowledge etc (divine qualities) and caste systems worldwide reflect this (all of which predates colonization)
>>95844186They could have made Saprolink official, but they chickened out. Sickening.
WOTC has given (You) free reign to design your own SLD! What's the theme of it, what cards are in it, and what bonus cards are you sliding in?
>>95847053weird, I looked up what you were talking about, and 4th century jesus looks exactly like those modern depictions of him
>>95847096every single staple card ever released, including stuff like black lotus, 100% legal and playable in all formats, 0,5cent PER CARD (singles orders possible) reprinted on demand every month
>>95847098He has always been portrayed as Hellenic, and fairer than His regional holy land hebrew/persian contemporaries.
>>95847071You are conflating white (caucasian) and literally glowing. Nobody looks at a fire and says "Ah, yes. This burning log is blonde haired and blue eyed."
>>95847145Probably because all contemporary description of him supports that :) why would he look middle eastern? He has God's genetic code. And we know what levantines looked like, we have Syrians
>>95847149>white is CaucasianUm.... no. Im not conflating anything I just happen to actually have a religious education, sorry. Dazzling bright = white. Like lamb = white pure = white. This is consistent across all religions. You are free to provide any counterpoint anon.
>>95847153>why would he look middle eastern? >He has God's genetic codeNever has a post made me wish to leave the general. thanks anon.
>>95847162>levantine mother>divine father>ermmmmmm he would look like someone from the region!!!Why anon?
>>95847145>he is depicted brown and Jewish during 3th-15th century>yeah well but also all depictions are wrongmake up your mind
Should I buy the $200 cart of regular cards or the $200 cart of Final Fantasy preorders?
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>>95847206then relax, if verbosity in itself makes things unfunny then picrel wouldn't have popped off
>>95847096FFIX but good. It's FFIX characters but good cards instead of shit cards.
Anyone else think the anime non foils look kind of bad? I wish they would have done a background or something. Itโs just so plain with the solid colors.
>falling for the foil meme
>>95847328The entire set looks really bad, slowly more and more people will admit the cards aren't very good and the art is either bad or only good cause its literally screenshots of non mtg art
>>95847328I actually like the background. I hated the similar ones from MH3 since most of the static profle art there felt too akin to an NFT like the bored apes. Including the number for the associated game is a nice detail for the FF ones.
Speaking of which, could Tifa be a fun commander? Or does she look too linear?
>>95847316I already explained why "words words words" wasn't the problem itself, but whatever man
>>95847096Avacyn and her harem as drawn by Terese Nielsen. Print to order. Bonus card is Sorin, Lord of Innistrad.
>>95847407ironically that jericho skit was funny precisely because he was so redundant, but ok man take care lol
>>95846220>>95847407>>95845178None of these posts are even remotely similar. It was fine, you "fixed" it then you misrepresented what it was in an incredibly exaggerated manner to "help" your position.
>>95847396Aesthetically it looks better than Dr. Who or Fallout, but worse than LotR or 40k, so it could be worse. Excluding special treatments for a fair comparison.
>>95847435>>95847445okay, here's another example of unnecessarily stating obvious things in the last panel
>>95847328It's really only the summon alt arts and Amano's work on the bonus sheet I like. Most of the legendary creature alt arts look like shit. Vivi, Sephiroth, and the Buster Sword alt arts are some exceptions
>>95847488not every cardboardcrack joke will be a brilliant display of wit i agree
>>95844239>>95844907>>95844998>>95845916>>95846605Based.
>>95845159>have a 1/1 tiny fucker out very early>swing at someone first because you have to swing it at SOMEONE >player in question carries a grudge all gamesigh
>>95845346Play Gates + Maze's End + also Omo, Queen of Vesuva to make all lands Towns or Gates!
>>95847396>its literally screenshots of non mtg artIt's literally screenshots of incredible final fantasy art. These cards will be some of the most cherished going forward. You lost.
Remember the time when idiots were bitching about the Transformers cards being "just screenshots from the cartoon" when
a) it was all new art
b) had characters that didn't even exist when the cartoon was airing
>>95847567Yeah edea Kramer is going to go down in history as the most beautiful t posed model rip of all time. Lmao that card is so fucking ugly itโs sad. Worst part itโs the exact art they used for other card games
Game screens are lazy and low quality
>>95847399>TifaI was thinking about how Iโd build her. Sheโs basically just a kill spell in the command zone. You wait until you have haste, you pump her, and knock someone out. Like mono green infect type deal, but with ramp? Iโm not sure itโd be that good or that fun. I think you could definitely save up enough resources to kill one person, but then youโd just durdle while you build up resources to kill someone else. Maybe thereโs a more fun way but I canโt see it.
>>95847619>I was thinking about how Iโd build her.lol
lmao
>>95847617It's kino nostalgia posting it's ok if you don't like final fantasy
This art looks cool but I have no fucking idea what it's supposed to be. And I say this as someone who's played a number of FF games (but not 13).
>>95847665it's ok anon nobody knew what was going on with ff13 despite squenix making so many entries about it
>friend buys new cards, asks me what to take out,
>tell him to take out x y z for interaction and that his new stuff he bought actually is really bad and he shouldn't use it (4 costs 1 mana creating dork for example)
>Ignores my advice, complains that he can't do to stop everyone else's board or protect his own
I'm going to go insane.
>>95847665It's a dungeon and the corpse of a summon
>>95847702Let the bro play his seinfeld cards what the fuck is your problem
>>95847702The problem is he wants to have fun with the cards he bought, and you're trying to make his deck meta/competitive. And then he has to deal with playing his fun/casual deck against whatever powered up bullshit you guys brought to the table
>>95846425Because every person who ever beheld a white woman was overwhelmed by their beauty.
The idea that beauty standards are a social construct and can therefore be deconstructed is an utter lie championed by ugly people.
Blonde women visiting Egypt or India will literally be mobbed by native men just trying to touch her hair (among other things)
>>95847743>>95847750This. There are many other MTG formats more suitable for competitive tryhards.
>>95847755To add to this, I recall a passage from a book on historical Andalusia. The Muslims kept detailed trade invoices on sex slaves trafficked through Spain. The most sought after and expensive slaves were blonde haired blue eyed white girls, the least expensive were Africans. This was over 1,000 years ago. A really fascinating piece of anthropological history!
>>95847665The Vestige was a structure left on Cocoon by Pulse during the war between the two of them, it contains a Fal'Cie that was planned to be used to make L'Cie out of cocoon citizens in order for the ultimate plan of the bad guys to come about.
In that image, the Vestige is being transported to the Hanging Edge, which is the staging ground for what is known as the Purge, in which people who have been deemed to be tainted by Pulse are to be removed from Cocoon.
>>95847096Homestuck
Just to farm as much confusion and hatred out of people as humanly possible
>>95847750He shouldn't loudly declare his deck is a 4, and the be surprised he can't keep up with 4s if he wants to "just have fun"
>>95846425unironically, I want more cards that look middle eastern without comical exaggeration of noses and skin tone.
just long faces, long (not necessarily hooked) noses and curly dark features, while being relatively pale.
>>95847781holy FUCK i would love and hate this
>>95847488Setup and punchline are different anon. This is explaining the punchline, not setting it up.
>>958475671. No they aren't.
2. Entirely irrelevant and changes nothing about my statement, the art in the set sucks EXCEPT when its screenshot of a gay game
>>95847096Warhammer but fantasy
>>95847702Not every deck does better with more interaction. Sometimes reinforcing your gameplan is better than trying and failing to stop the opponent's. This isn't cEDH where every spell requires a senate hearing on who at the table has interaction and should be forced to spend it. Unless it's a control deck most of the built by numbers youtuber recommendation decks should be playing less removal and more ways to win. Also Fogs. Fogs overperform in casual.
>>95847777>There are many other MTG formats more suitable for competitive tryhardsthere used to be but then FIRE design happened, not a surprise numbers are down there and that commander is now the face of mtg
>>95847053Do you actually believe this or are you a bath faith actor
>>95847840I'm beginning to see that maybe I wasn't clear enough with what I said about the first strip, but the (biggest) problem I saw was that last "umm what are you playing? Mtg, duh! Can't you see we're playing MTG?" part. The same way this second strip also explains the punchline in the last panel, as you pointed out.
reminder: precon vs precon is the last bastion of fun magic. watching some absolute faggot play out his 15 minute non deterministic combo โkillโ is awful. at least cedh you know youโre dead.
>>95847922Im just having fun youre plenty clear pal haha
>friend backed out of magic con
>tickets arrive today
How the fuck do I offload these?
>>95847939Precons aren't even magic my guy you're just a bad deckbuilder and this let's you play without having to get good
>>95847096>Game of Thrones Secret Lair>Art based on book description not the show>Dragon/Knight theme>Rakdos>Bonus cards based on the more Lovecraftian elements GRRM addedI'll take my yearly salary now wotc pleas and thank you
>>95847939oh yeah the ones with infinites are super legit and not at all cringe
>>95847949Unironically try the paymoneywubby subreddit.
You will likely make a sale quickly as those autists want to go and see him
>>95847988>Art based on book description not the showSo they're all black?
>>95847944oh okay, fair enough
>>95848029I get the joke but I was talking more about castles/locations/dragons where budget was more the constraint or where they went full retard like having 3 different versions of the Eyrie
>>95847096Fromsoft games crossover. Equipment and legendaries from Dark Souls, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring, including a Curse of Undeath mechanic on various monsters that automatically return themselves to the battlefield from your graveyard on your upkeep, but whenever they do mill you for their power + their toughness. Legendaries based on bosses flip to show phase change differences, like a Lady Maria where you have to pay 6 life to flip her into a more dangerous version of herself. So on and so forth.
>>95845280>"What boardstate do you want to achieve by turn 6-7? Name the actual cards, both in hand and on board"Isn't this almost impossible to do with 99 card singleton? How do people make their decks this consistent?
>>95847988not inclusive enough! if grrm were alive today tyrion lannister would be an indian trans addicted to black bussy. magic as gavin intended.
>>95847096Unironically Yu-Gi-Oh. Unfortunately most of the cards would be Dimir since they're all dark magic. Since it's a Secret Lair I'd probably have to focus on Duel Monsters, so probably DM, BE, RE, and Relinquished since they're the most recognizable. And then some reskins of staples as Yugioh staples, like a Solemn Judgement Counterspell. If I got to print an original card, it'd be Pot of Greed, 0 drop artifact with tap, sac, draw 2.
>>95848163Did you know that yugioh was based off of mtg?
>>95848163i want yugioh only because it'll force wotc to admit that all their pandering to blacks is shit and that all they needed to do was add anime
>>95848197Yes, Summoned Skull is the reason why I include a Lord of the Pit in my black decks as a pet card.
>>95848201Lmao you're not wrong
>>95847096Shakespeare. Partner Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth, Hamlet, Titus Andronicus, Oberon, Lear and his daughters, Prospero.
Historical figures. The historical cards from ass creed were the only interesting thing about the set. Specifically give me some legendary conquerors. Hannibal, Charlamagne, Ghengis Khan, Nobunaga, Alexander and sheit.
>>95848127why is he frowning in that image
>>95847988the fact GoT was ruined (past season 3-4) will forever haunt my interest in darker fantasy settings. what might have been. alas...
>>95847939>Play precon VS precon>Tidus wins on turn 3 with an infinite
>>95848114Redundancies in key effects if present, tutors if not and they are indeed pivotal. Lots of draw and interaction.
>>95848114Its he's not asking for the cards that will be on the board, just "whats the interaction you want to use to win the game?"
Once you know what your specific endgame is, you can include cards that enable that, help you dig for the pieces, act as potential alternatives, synergize with one or more of your pieces so that if you only have half your combo you can still get some value out of it while waiting for the other half, etc.
If you don't know what your goal is, you can't tell if you are getting closer to it or not.
>>95848381I didn't put it in the best way.
>>95848381 put it better.
>>95847988I wish people would shut up about GoT UB/SL. People only talk about it because the Soifessor has been trying to call it for literal years
Slow thread. Nearly at bump limit anyway.
Post songs that describe the current state of Magic.
I'll go first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX8szNPgrEs
>>95848424The absolute hubris.....
>player 3 play one of those stally aids commander
>tell p2 i will open the way, kill him before the turtles and becomes untouchable
>clear the board, i used all my resources but game will end quick with p3 out of the game
>p2 goes all in on me
>p2 can't out p3 and spends 2 hours and looses anyway
i hate how some niggers do thing "for fun" and up loosing making everything miserable
>>95848717Hey at least your death was quick. Did you hop to another pod or sit there an mald for 2 hours?
>>95848717>looses>and up loosingESLs should be banned from posting.
Golgari Mutant Aristocrats? Viable?
>>95848717>stally aids commanderWhat the fuck are you talking about?
>>95845016Big cat. Also shenanigans.
>>95848727i swapped to a side pauper table
>>95848768go cry about tariff or something fattie
Worth cutting a counterspell for this if the deck gets a lot of use out of cheap flyers?
Already got Spiketail Hatchling.
>>95848865>Golgari>Aristocrats>Viable?Yes obviously, moron.
>>95848768is there anything else you got to do but to complan about minor spelling mistakes?
lOOser
>>95844249Play tasha wild ride and yoink broken shit
Edric players, help me out:
What do your early turns look like? What's does a good opening hand look like?
Do you play your ramp on the early turns or do you focus on getting cheap flyers out first? Is it better to dump creatures onto the board in the first two turns then draw off of them with Edric on turn 3, or is it better to get Edric out quickly?
And if you wanna share your lists too, that would be cool.
>>95846283Y'shtola in Commander is terrific, Cloud is god tier for equipment decks, Choco for Birdemic, Kefka has the potential to displace Nekusar (or synergize with him), and Ardyn is what the demon deck degens have been frothing at the mouth for. As for the underrated legendaries, I've gotten my ass handed to me multiple times by Lightning and Hope. Lightning with Lizard Blades, Buster Sword, or even Brotherhood Regalia is honestly disgusting, and that's not even including potential degen combos either that I have yet to see.
As for Hope: fuck him. He's in practically every mill deck I've seen thus far and this fucker is AIDS.
>>95846480>I say it allows you to get a previously exiled face up card back to your hand like pic relatedWishes did that when they were originally printed, but then they errata'd all "remove from the game" cards into "exile" cards and for some reason didn't errata "outside the game" to "outside the game or in exile".
>>95849070>Worth cutting a counterspell for this if the deck gets a lot of use out of cheap flyers?yes
>>95849243Its a shame I don't give a shit about FF13 and I have too many other commanders I want to build first, because Lightning does look like an excellent commander. Give her double strike, and it basically turns any burn spell on your second main phase into blasting the flesh right off your opponent's bones.
Lightning Bolt for 12. Lava Axe for 20. And so on.
>>95849085>plays UBSlop>Is a complete dipshitWhy are you riling yourself up?
>>95844173 (OP)>TQMommy of Machines.
>>95844173 (OP)>TQI'll purposely act as if I was illiterate and ignore the "Commander" part of the question.
>>95845395Really could have given her a way to produce more mana later on, considering the limitation.
>>95845628that's just playing with random LGS greaseballs in general
>player lets the pod know they have bullshit in their hand and advises everyone to kill them before they win next turn
I love playing with fun havers
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>>95844173 (OP)Grist, my beloved
>>95849243>Y'shtola in Commander is terrificThe funniest build I have seen for her yet involves creating an engine where you basically just draw through your deck in an ever-escalating wave specifically looking for 3 cost mana rocks to put down on the field to fuel casting more mana rocks, dealing damage and gaining life, both of which cause you to draw more cards, giving you more mana rocks, etc.
>>95849447It's great. I let my friends know what I'm about to do as soon as the spell hits the stack, or give them fair advice if they're flinging removal my way. And if you do it with strangers they'll just assume you're trying to trick them, so it's a double win
>>95848201>all they needed to do was add animeThey know this by now. Neon Dynasty sold extremely well, people chased the Jumpstart anime cards like crack, the city styles SLD is one of the most popular ones ever, they added anime alts to the Wilds of Eldraine and Ravnica Remastered packs, and Final Fantasy is putting up better numbers than LotR already. Wotc is tasting the anime money for the first time and it tastes good. I expect more.
mailday
https://youtu.be/iSGO--JdAUA
I've got a timing question, in regards to Hex Parasite, and my commander Skullbriar:
If someone decides to be an asshole and kill Skull by using -1 counters, is there ever a moment between re-casting and the state-based-action of him dying that Hex Parasite can remove the negative counters? I'd assume I would need something in the middle, a trigger effect, to create the timing to activate.
>>95849497>specifically looking for 3 cost mana rocks to put down on the field to fuel casting more mana rocks...huh. That's pretty clever. I might have to steal this idea
>>95849511The people who grew up with niche anime in the 90s are now in the prime spending period for stuff like MTG, and anyone younger than that has never even known anime as anything OTHER than normal. These days, anime is on netflix like any other programming. And if you are the sort of person who plays MTG, you like anime and fantasy. How many nerds are going to foreswear anime to get their fantasy and scifi fix with its the one medium that churns those genres out reliably?
>>95849570>using wrong art to purposely trick people into thinking it's a different card when they glance the battlefield across the tablethe art is there for a reason
>>95846771No, I don't think I will.
>>95849571No, Skullbriar will immediately die, before triggers even hit the stack. You either need a static effect giving him more toughness, or a way to move him to hand/library (which will clear counters on him because they're hidden zones).
>>95849571SBAs are automatic and no one can respond to them/stop them/do anything about them. Your commander would be soft-locked. The only way out of it is if Skullbriar gets bounced to hand while it's on the stack, but since that's a blue thing you'd have to have a reallll friendly blue player that actually runs that card (which is exceedingly rare, desu senpai). The only way to prevent this is to get rid of your commander before the -1/-1s can resolve (sac, destroy target creature, etc)
>>95849447>try to explain to LGS neckbeard why he has to kill me>pretends he can't hear me and swings at girl next to him>turns his big fat head to me and winks while girl goes down>win 2 booster packs>neckbeard faces serious jail time because the girl later died in the hospital
>>95849717>>95849726so there's no chance to respond if I have an ETB trigger, like if I had a Beast Whisperer trying to force me to draw a card on SB entering?
Just trying to be sure, so I can be prepared for the miniscule chance that someone runs a Black Sun or something.
>>95849715>my entire playgroup is combat damage based with a bit of burn here and thereI'll take two
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>>95849715that's just a tyranid
>>95849746You can't respond to SBAs, period. Once your commander dies from the -1/-1s, he's done for. You'd need to respond to the -1/-1s and do something to prevent them from ever happening in the first place (or buff your commander's toughness like the other anon said and THEN remove with Hex Parasite)
>>95849753Aw fuck, ya know I always forget that thing exists. Good call, mate. And it can be searched for since he's in green
>>95849753aight, thanks for clearing that up. I already run some kill spells, I'll up my number and add in some sac outlets as well.
It's meant to be a budget (under $75) deck, so nothing too crazy, unfortunately.
Which FF precon is the best out of the box?
>>9584977910 is the most powerful, 6 is the most consistent, 7 is the swingiest, and 14 just needs so much work.
>>95847619Don't bother trying to build her anon you clearly have no idea what you're doing if you can't even figure out how to pilot a mono green 2 mana landfall commander.
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>>95849778These are both less than 50 cents.
Good free sac outlets in rakdos colors?
>>95849773You can also just let Skullbriar hit the yard and then recur it to hand. Green and black have tons of ways to do that.
>>95849814Already had Road, since it's a good way to re-use the Counter creatures that you discard (Titanoth Rex), but Campfire seems great for being so little opportunity cost.
>>95849817>1 โ 60 of 236 cards where the color identity โค BR and the text includes โsacrifice a creatureโ and itโs legal in CommanderI ain't searching through this for you so here's the generic answer: "altars"
>>95849827Yeah that's a good point. I've never played reanimate so the idea never comes to mind
>>95849497>looking for 3 cost mana rocks to put down on the field to fuel casting more mana rocks, dealing damage and gaining life, both of which cause you to draw more cards, giving you more mana rocks, etc.This is so stupid but so funny there's no way this is gonna work more than once. I hate how much I need to build this stupid fuckin idea
>>95849817Altars, Carrion Feeder, Bloodthrone Vampire immediately comes to mind.
>>95849817Whats the commander?
>>95849869my guess is Juri of the Revue, since he cares about sacrificing, and is as Rakdos as they come.
>>95849497I tried to build her "fairly" as a card draw/pinger deck and found her extremely boring. The mana rock tribal sounds pretty funny. I might give it a whirl but probably not. Y'shtola is powerful as shit but I think I just hate Do Thing Draw Card commanders.
Would this count as MLD even though no one would allow it to blow up shit unless they literally die from it
>>95849922yes, because the card says "destroy all lands". It doesn't matter that it can be prevented, or that it's essentially just a White burn spell.
>see swordfag being a fag last thread
>look at the commander
>Tawnos
>lets you exile any creature or artifact from your graveyard for 4 to make a token that's also an artifact
Isn't this just Hashaton but without the 4/4 limitation and for 1 more mana? And you don't have to discard the card but just get it into your graveyard at any time? Esper has 0 issues with making artifact tokens like Treasures and Clues so it just screams "put in every broken hatebear/staxpiece you can" like Jin-Gitaxias
>>95849922>anyone can pay to protect any landI like wording like this on old cards
>>95849965The FFXV villain is also "grab something broken from the graveyard" but it's expensive and monocolor so dare I say a fair splashy play
>>95849991>I like wording like this on old cardsThere's a ton of "any player may activate this ability" stuff on older cards. Makes me wish they never stopped making those cards
>>95849922>>95849939cleansing is legal just like annihilator and torment of hailfire is legal
>>95849711hmm what did anon mean by this
>>95849965Sorcery speed limits it, but it is a better card in other facets. Hashaton also doesn't exile the card in question, so you can recur it and repeat. Granted, Tawnos lets you copy it if you feel like it too with his first ability.
>>95849965>making retrospective posts about namefagsNGMI
>>95846283Terra and Celes are great. The former being that she enables combos in Mardu better than the others, and Celes being a combo piece/CA in one package.
Is this guy fun? Wanted to build someone casual from the set.
>>95850292>stop talking about edhno
>>95850306>is this thing that came out just this weekend fun?>this thing that only copies other effects, so has no interesting value on itโs ownYour brain on slop
>>95850427you know you could've made the exact same post without mentioning swordfag at all, right?
Playing Yuriko in brawl and I don't see what makes it so good desu.
>>95850306if you come up with a deck full of fun activated or triggered abilities (did someone say Roaming Throne?) you're gonna have a good time with him!
>>95850440gosh anon it's almost like Brawl is a fake half-baked format that poorly emulates Commander because the Arena devs are incompetent
>>95849104I just think if you spell like a 7 year old, English language forums aren't for you.
>>95850306Broken cedhslop
>>95850478what's he copying in CEDH, Thoracle triggers?
>>95850306In magical christmas land where you're allowed to untap with blue braids you can play more blightsteels and portal to phyrexias for 2 mana each
>>95850490He's just infinite combotime YAWN
>>95850506Are you medically retarded?
>>95846283Tidus probably does classic bant +1/+1 counters and proliferate very well. In the colours ideal for ramping, drawing, and protecting. Brewing all-in on other kinds of counters has been super fun, even if they're most likely not beating raw +1/+1 counters.
>>95850438Only one making this about him now is you, would you like to discuss Tawnos with me?
>>95850515What infinite combos
>>95850525Are phase change abilities neither triggered nor activated? Then what are they? If they aren't they can't be stifled?
>>95850430Well it copies an ability multiple times which is pretty unique, casting explosive vegetation+ off of fetchlands is pretty cool and can get you the mana to copy things 4 or 5 times.
I don't know what you'd actually want to copy that many times though. Can get a bunch of strip mines off urza's cave and then copy the abilities on strip mine I guess. Could play a bunch of planeswalkers since they seem alright with him.
>>95850515>>95850478Just don't play combos?
>>95850528I've been testing Tidus and I'm very on the fence about him. His ability is great but you need other creatures with evasion to get it going since he comes with none of his own. You can easily end up in awkward game states where you're just awkwardly smashing into a chump blocker with Tidus himself if you've got no other creatures. Pic related has been my Bant counters deck of choice for awhile and I always miss the flample in the CZ when I'm playing Tidus.
There is ONE cool FF legendary. Sorry fanboys real unbiased hours right now.
>>95850580>mfw she didn't even get a card
>>95850586total rosterfag death
>>95850558No one is arguing uniqueness. iโm calling out the faggotry that you clearly just need ideas for the slop, and I will not be partaking in helping you.
I really thought other factors would be the decline of this general, but UB seems to be the biggest contributor.
how ""fair"" of a combo commander do people consider mairsil? I want to run stupid jank nobody's heard of before.
>>95850576I've only gotten in one game with Tidus thus far and the base precon at that. Like you say, the evasion is essential. I was on the fence about the 2mv enchant that exiles and makes a spirit, but it proved invaluable for getting in hits. Cards like Kodama of the West and Herald of Secret Streams are auto includes. I've looked over all creatures that give flying counters and wasn't too impressed.
I did immediately include Falco Spara and then looked over the precon it's from. Might finally be a deck I can use Parallax Wave in for funky shenanigans
>>95850636Talking about deck ideas is now the decline of the general.
>>95850661Falco Spara is not in the Brokers precon, heโs from the set like the other family heads, however the precon IS good for upgrading Tidus from what Iโve heard.
>>95850661Ledger Shredder and Cloudfin Raptor have been my top performers for racking up counters and hits for him so far. I've been considering pic related since I'm finding you want literally anything that gives itself a counter and has evasion that you can play before Tidus to get the ball rolling.
Im on the lookout for more fun, casual focused control commanders in any combination of WUB colors. I tried playing Tivit and Ketramoss, but theyโre so good that I just get nuclear bombed from my side of the table. I wanna turn down the power a bit more
>>95850849take the mollusk pill
>>95850862Oh god this is triggering my internal combo playerโฆ imagine this with cantrips and tempest techniqueโฆ Iโll swing in my islands for fucking 50
And white has catch up land ramp too!
>ppl enjoying the set
I'm jelly
>>95850885just looked up tempest technique, and it made me realize something
WotC really just said "fuck it" to the Storm Scale, didn't they? The mechanic so broken it had an entire rating system named after it, that wouldn't be brought back, and here we are with what feels like a new Storm card every single set. Like, we have a Planeswalker that literally gives you an emblem so everything has storm.
Like, MaRo's last statement about it was that its still a "10 on the scale, won't be in a premiere set", yet its been printed into Standard and made even easier with support
>>95845395At least she got a card.
>>95850910>WotC really just said "fuck it" to the Storm Scale, didn't they?They even print references mocking it.
>>95850910Should have called it the dredge scale honestly. Wotc seems way more afraid of doing anything with dredge than storm.
>>95850910It's still a so-so card, you need a creature without summoning sickness or a fling to do anything with it, that's two cards more than other storm spells that just win.
It's slightly better than the previous mono white storm creature buff because you keep it at end of turn
>>95850910I mean, still itโs a secret storm win because you stack your deck with cantrips and then all of a sudden you have a wide board where your lands are fucking creatures lmao
And of course azorious is the mass untap colors
>21 cards where the illustration contains โff5โ
>143 cards where the illustration contains โff14โ
It's all so tiresome.
>>95850958yeah, I'm not saying its a good card. It just made me look into recent Storm mechanic printings, and realize that the Storm Scale meant fuck all.
It was one thing when we got Thousand Year Storm, since it was basically unplayable and entirely on-flavor. But now we have stuff like Ral, Crackling Wit to just cantrip into 10 Loyalty, and now you have permanent Storm.
why didn't ff have a black aragorn situation
>>95845395>Freya Crescent >2RW>Lancer - When Freya enters, she deals 2 damage to target opponent and you gain 2 life.>Jump - At the beginning of combat on your turn you may exile Freya. If you do, return her to the battlefield under your control at the beginning of the next combat phase. She gains haste and can't be blocked until end of turn.>4/4
>>95850987squeenix has more money -and actual fans in wotc apparently- than the tolkien estate does.
>>95850677Getting retard level inferences is a symptom of the decline, care for another try?
>>95850987because FF fans would literally burn down WotC headquarters for fucking with their IP.
>youtube's 17th most annoying socialist complains about capitalism for thirteen minutes
>>95850987Tolkien Estate didn't give a shit about the property or its legacy.
Squeenix does.
They still tried to force it onto as many nonlegendary humans/tokens as possible though.
>>95850987because you don't understand how licenses work
>>95851027This one looks especially fucked up with the lighting.
>>95850987Square Enix actually gives a shit about their intellectual property
>>95851038To be fair this is a hot chick
>>95851038ok white hair, they're going for the viera look. why not go all the way and give her bunny ears? she looks like she has a mineral deficiency and is going prematurely grey
>>95849497I had thought about doing it like that because โoops all mana rocksโ was hilarious Iโm just too dumb to think about the cards to make it work. My current build is all multi-draw payoff with a slight bit of mill (which I donโt expect to win with)
>>95851025>popular Secret Lair fucks up every time>Youtubers complain about it every time>line up to buy the next one>every>single>time
I'm literally having a meltie over how our game is getting enriched by other franchises while ours is not allowed to rape theirs. I just want to treat them just like how they have treated me and ruin their fun with Jace raping other games
it's not fair
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>>95851060Yeah. Not ugly at all. Few to no apeoidic features. Basically just dark-skinned.
In person, depending on the lighting in the room, the shadows make her face look really dark though. To the point that she looks like a blackface parody.
>>95851070because she's ostensibly from FF1 where there are no Viera
>>95850987FF is a game where you can actually see what the characters look like, even god's biggest retard can turn on FF7 see Tifa is a pretty white girl.
LotR is a book where the characters are described to you. Even if it's stated in plain english in the book Eowyn is a pretty white girl it's not something you can physically see which leaves a loophole open to companies like wotc to get squirrelly and race bend everybody for brownie points and outrage bait.
>>95850987Because the characters in the book are described but never shown in a visual medium. How they look is up to interpretation. Even the Peter Jackson movies are a *version* of the characters, largely accurate but by no means holy.
For final fantasy characters, we know *exactly* what they look like. There is absolutely zero ambiguity as to how Cloud Strife looks, or Golbez. If you race swapped any of them or even just changed too much of their costume, it would be simply indefensible.
He's not wrong, tho. UB will be the death of magic. If not literally then spiritually. One day soon you will sit down in a pod facing off against SpongeBob, Barney and Zuko and you'll be the weird one playing some "Urza" guy no one at the table has ever heard of before.
>>95851086What, not a fan of Super Magic Bros? You don't like Sephiroth having control over the One Ring while he beats Songebob to death with Negan's baseball bat?
>>95850542How are you copying creatures?
>>95851109brother man that's already happened
>Aragorn vs. Sephiroth vs. The Celestial Toymaker vs. that one weirdo still playing Kaalia
>>95851116I assume he meant getting more Braids triggers to drop more horrifying high-cost abominations, not literally getting multiple Blightsteels
>>95851109>and you'll be the weird one playing some "Urza" guy no one at the table has ever heard of beforeNote how to you, "Magic" is one of the oldest characters in the franchise who has been dead and buried and mostly entirely irrelevant for a decade, outside of a set they made referencing old stories.
Are the funny animals not magic enough for you? There are some stuffed toys from duskmourn that fit the magic aesthetic, aren't there? They're much more recent than Urza. Wouldn't they be a better example of the magic aesthetic?
>>95851142Urza just got multiple cards a few years ago, and both of them are very popular high-powered commanders
>>95851109My commander is little red riding hood. The magic aesthetic is dogshit bro
>>95851110not being able to unfuck mtg is literally making me the jonkler. you want universes beyond? make ALL franchises one multiverse, individuality be damned
>>95851169Did ruby replace radha imo?
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>>95851160Yeah, for Brothers War, a set made for stories that were written over 15 years ago.
>both of them are very popular high-powered commandersYeah and Ms. Bumbleflower is more popular than either of them. That should make her a more deserving example of Magic's setting, no?
>Call me a dyke, one more time." how angry would this make people as a flavor text on a card
>>95851124Then he should have said that lmao
>>95851184Radha's cooler.
Susan might honestly be the best of the 2-mana dork commanders just because you can put yourself into naya or temur and get an engine or payoff into the command zone.
Played any games recently?
>>95850987FF was already gonna be popular enough where it didn't need a controversy to garner interest. Mind you LOTR was popular too, but with the additional controversy against conservatives it even garnered a lot of interest from people who don't even play or know of the game.
>>95851234Go back to reddint
>>95851197I don't know if I would consider bumbleflower stronger than Blue Urza
>>95851244I'm just talking popularity. If we're talking pure strength then the most iconic mtg cards are... some partner pairs with maybe a line of flavour text being their entire lore.
>>95851142Urza is one of the oldest and most iconic characters in Magic, and features prominently in the lore and a few of the books. With multiple blocks of card sets based around him, his actions and their repercussions. And honestly, the 'funny animals' would have been a significantly better direction for Magic to follow than UB slop.
>>95851169eldraine is the correct way of making UB. most people liked the setting too. these both are because it's very close to how old sets like arabian nights were where they take something and make a bootleg version of it. truly peak soul
>>95851025Yes this fucking hobby happens to attract lefty bastards like this guy and ross merriam, unfortunate truth but it is what it is
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>>95844846Nah I play this as my commander pisses some people off when I start storming
>>95851249>I'm just talking popularityStill Urza, seen play in a lot more than just commander and has his name attached to tons of great cards. This is a dumb argument.
>>95851254>And honestly, the 'funny animals' would have been a significantly better direction for Magic to follow than UB slopThis is how I know you don't actually have thoughts or opinions. You don't actually care what the magic aesthetic is or how ridiculous the aesthetic is stretched: If it says magic on the booster pack, you'll gobble it up without a second (or first) thought. Magic could be sponge monsters fighting eachother with spatulas at the bottom of the ocean and so long as it didn't say SPONGEBOB in bright yellow letters, you'd have no qualms.
>>95844846>>95851269I feel like venture and dungeons would be more popular if they were actually good or fun.
I want to like the concept.
>>95851025I watched one of his videos awhile, he had such absolute dogshit opinions I only make it half-way through.
>>95851169>hey wotc aince you're in the fortnite business anyways give this one a card, hell you can skin her to this one, the libs will love it
>>95851269I was pondering a kethis list and there's a precon but the only cards I'd want from it are the commander and the angel. Sad!
>>95851025>bri'ish accentImmediately made a 360 turn and walked away.
>>95851279BLB is the correct way of making UB because it's very close to how old sets like arabian nights were where they take something familiar and make a bootleg magic version of it. truly peak soul
>>95851279I've always hated bloomburrow because not only was it lowkey for furries it also had fucking canada as a set symbol
magic's aesthetic has been shit since 08
>>95851305Sponge Wars would be a bootleg magic version of Spongebob and you'd be okay with that, too. It's not actually about the aesthetic, you're just dogmatically against any crossover material. And that's fine. That's a valid opinion to have. It's just not an opinion of taste.
>>95851280acererak is fun when you stack panharmonicon effects and can complete dumgeons with one cast
Magic's aesthetic is shit and will continue to be shit until they bring back blocks.
New planes are entirely pointless because we visit them for what, a week? while they write a few blogposts about wickerfolk and the hoothoot tribes of owlfolk and then the set's over. There's no story to tell. There are no characters to meet. The worlds are glorified trampolines where we planeswalk to them and immediately bounce off towards the next plane.
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>>95851346Monkey paw curls.
1 year of OTJ.
>>95851346>implying we are getting anything between "Return to"s and "Squibbly Jim and the Jerk Off Boys Come to Magic!" One day closer to nonUB Commander happening.
>>95851349At least then they'd have the time to flesh it out into an actual world with an actual story and maybe a few actual characters and events.
They could explain why the queen is sitting by a train wearing a cowboy hat AND they could explore the ramifications of that.
>>95851279>noooo! you have to like ub slop or you have no thoughts!!!2!!!1!The average UB slop defender. UB is utter shit, it is not Magic and I'd take 100 Duskmornes over another fornite reskinned SpongeBob or sellout Deadpool crossover. You and the other UB apologists are the cancer killing Magic.
>>95851349OTJ as a standalone world with its own lore would be cool. Kellan and Loot the cowboy is shit.
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>>95851346You WILL be hype for Edge of Eternities. You WILL buy the product
>>95851326yes. Jace going to an underwater plane to meet with a green sponge creature would be exactly what magic is all about. just like going to saudi arabia, japan, greece or the myriad of other wacky planes that always existed in mtg
>>95851346It's all part of the same process.
>>95851354I would support this. I unironically think Wizards saying that there was no appetite for it in their focus groups is a deliberate psyop to try and make people feel like outsiders for wanting formats without UB.
I know players at my LGS who have been in the hobby for decades who have dropped out of draft and pre-releases for the first time ever because it's all UB slop.
>>95851362>you have to like ub slop or you have no thoughtsYou can like or dislike things independently of whether they're UB or not.
I like Lord of the Rings and think it fits the magic setting.
I dislike Wacky Races and don't think it fits the magic setting, even when they print a legally distinct version of it.
I'm saying you (or the other anon if you're nta) doesn't actually have an opinion on these things, and simply divides what they like and dislike into "is ub" and "isn't ub".
If you're openly willing to accept Bloomburrow because it's not UB but you'd be against Redwall because it is UB, that's not a matter of taste. It's dogma.
>>95851369It's so fucking sad that this is the only real "Magic" set from April until February of next fucking year.
>>95851349>Implying that would be a bad thing, since then it wouldn't be a hat set really if they spent an entire year's worth of sets there building the world.
>>95851390arena is getting some half assed digital only in universe version of the spiderman set
>>95851399Blocks were gay and full of hats too.
>>95851390All this UB shit is Hasbro's fault
Damn company has made itself worthless without mtg that's why they're milking it so aggressively
>>95851369https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rZlsad_hNQ
>>95851389You're being a disengenous fag because of course you are.
Talking animals as a fantasy concept goes well beyond Redwall for one thing, and if somehow it had been a Redwall UB it would have completely recontexualized the set.
There is nothing dogmatic about wanting a card game that does not sell ad-space on its fucking cards.
See
>>95851389UB is just another step in a process of Wizards getting lazier because retards like you have said there is no line they can cross that will stop you spending thousands of dollars a year on cardboard. In fact, if they reach up your ass with a UB dildo and tickle your g-spot you might even cum an entire month's income on whatever shit they print
>>95851346>The worlds are glorified trampolinesIs this the new "hat set"
>>95851417This desu. Blocks were just slower. If you didn't like the hat set? Guess what we were stuck with it for a whole year. Imagine a fucking year of aetherdrift
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>>95851422>STOP COINING WORDS THAT MAKE FUN OF THE THINGS I LIKE!!!Reminder, these are hats.
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>>95851432That's... Not what I said at all. Are you alright anon? I make fun of these "hat sets" too
>>95851432Are those capenna cards?
The only capenna cards i know are shard triomes
>>95851432Now I want to see a new middle-eastern set where all the female characters (and xim/xams) wear burqas
>>95851369Only thing that'll get me hype is more rad counter support. Radiation happens in space, they can make it work
>>95851452sorry bro. just like how Lycanthropy is apparently entirely linked to Innistrad, Radiation will be tied to ONLY Fallout.
>>95851452Wastes are in standard therefore you WILL like colorless space creatures
>>95851462the vampire wedding set and the werewolf whatever that was set felt so half assed for innistrad that plane deserves better
>>95851462I fucking know bro, but it's not stopping me from huffing MAD amounts of hopium. I just want this Mothman deck I'm brewing to not be like 50+% proliferate effects. If there's no rad counter stuff in EoE then I'll have to scrap the decklist
Radiation, hamsters, and eldrazi
>>95851465wastes have become too good it barely feels like a downside with shit like ugin, baphomet, and eldrazi
>>95851469it really does. After our initial visit, they've done nothing but do it dirty. Dumping ground for Emrakul and what was left of the Eldrazi bullshit, then we get some great WW support that *doesnt fucking work with the other sets*. Just fucking retcon Day/Night already.
>>95851471I'm just waiting to see how they make yet ANOTHER mechanic for WWs that makes them unplayable with the previous prints.
>>95851487Magic would be 10000% better if they made functional errata to consolidate mechanics.
>>95851476>born 2021That hamster is almost certainly dead by now.
>>95851493Agreed.
I'd also like to see errata to change wording to fix 60/EDH discrepancies, namely the bullshit that is Serra Ascendant. Just change it to be "10 more life than your starting" and it is functionally unchanged in 60 formats, and doesn't mean some poor bastard is eating so fucking much damage from T2 onward
>>95851443It is and we had a prolonged tardfight over whether it was a hat set.
It was.
>>95851487>>95851493Wotc should errata ante to just exile cards and not have them be for keeps
I want to laugh seeing contract from below reach the exosphere
>>95851506what the fuck is a "hat set"?
>>95851506Hat set is a meme just like glorified trampoline
>>95851432I'd fuck the shit out of that Elspeth
>>95851513World/planet of hats
Look it up on tv tropes i'm on my phone lol
>>95851513Something that the hat-schizo keeps repeating ad nauseum
>>95851419I can't remember the name of it but all this comes from ONE case in US law that says a company has a fiduciary duty to make its shareholders money.
So a company can never stick to a set of principles or make certain actions off limits if it can sell out and make a quick buck.
If that decision was overruled and the case law flowing from it ignored, companies would actually be able to say "no we want a specific environment for our game and that includes not selling ad-space"
>>95851389I veiw UB as the ultimate abandonment of effort, they are just using another already existing property instead of expanding Magics universe and lore. I also dislike Duskmorne and Wacky Races because they are both very low effort sets. This low or completely lacking effort is a prevailing theme common in modern Magic design philosophies. But low effort is still preferable to no effort. My issues with UB is exactly that. Not that they lack a good aesthetic. It's a foreign IP brought in, literally and definitively not Magic even if it 'fits' the aesthetic. I'd rather have universes within because at least then there's a chance things will get better. UB can only ever progress the problem. Magic is being replaced piecemeal and you're OK with it because you like the aesthetic.
>>95851527Right and i've always maintained that entertainment companies are long term better off private rather than public
>>95851412I keep telling people this is the perfect excuse to proxy any good cards from the set. You're being provided a free proxy template for every card in the set. You can't get that in paper. Anything I like from that set will be coming out of a printer.
>>95851496say it ain't so...
>>95851513>>95851525Don't listen to this retard, it's well-accepted in the community and even the Soifessor says it all the fucking time.
A hat set is a set where characters we know from other MtG planes go to a new plane that is themed entirely around something in movies or pop culture, and rather than creating new characters or writing compelling lore for how existing characters have become involved in this plane and its customs, characters mostly (and often quite literally) put on a hat as a hollow nod to the theme.
Queen Marchesa putting on a cowboy hat and joining a bunch of outlaws for a heist? Hat set.
Leader of the fucking Dimir guild becoming putting on a fedora and becoming a detective? Hat set.
By this definition, Streets of New Capenna was absolutely a fucking hat set. Sucks to be this guy
>>95851514I would add that hat sets will often add magical elements to something that is not typically magical, and that's often a redflag
>no this isn't a motor vehicle, it's a MAGIC car! And this is a MAGIC sony walkman! And these are MAGIC space ships that shoot MAGIC laser beams!!!!
>>95851532>I also dislike Duskmorne and Wacky Races because they are both very low effort sets.When another company's IP and reputation is at stake, where do you think Wizards puts their resources?
The reason in-universe sets have gotten worse is because of UB. It's why it makes my blood fucking boil when paypiggies say shit like
>woah this UB set is so much better than any original set we've had in years!!!!! if this is what UB is gonna be, then sign me up!!!!!Of course it is you fucking slime-mold, they took all the fucking resources and put them into UB because they have obligations to the licensor that don't exist with their own intellectual property.
>>95851565>A hat set is a set where characters we know from other MtG planes go to a new plane that is themed entirely around something in movies or pop cultureBy your definition every set post like... Lorywn is a hat set
>>95851584>who are you quoting?
Mark my words the spiderman set is going to be so ass, its a relatively small set with no commander precons red flags
>>95851587who went to lorwyn?
>>95849965You know I hadn't even considered for a second how he could be built very similarly to Hashaton but instead of discard outlets only, any form of self-mill. I was gonna use like Elesh Norn as a second Panharmonicon and just grind out Clues, Treasures, Thopters, etc. Then just make copies of stuff like Angel of the Ruins after cycling it, Riptide Gearhulk, etc. Honestly though, the reason I tossed hashaton in the long run was because he was just a pile of value-cards with no real theme.
>>95851594the avengers
https://gatherer.wizards.com/search?instanceType=eq~Planeswalker&setName=eq~Lorwyn~LRW
>>95851587No because folklore is already a fucking concept and existing characters did not wear the Lorwyn hat.
As much as you want to be a contrarian faggot and be all like
>nah uh I said everyfing a hat set so now you can't use that word!!!!!The line is pretty fucking clear. If the "theme" of the set came from something in the last 100 years, particularly if it was popularised primarily or exclusively by movies, it's a fucking hat set. It's not complicated.
Stop trying to muddy the waters just because you like hat sets.
>>95851601Rest in peace Garruk
>>95851584Can't stop the hat-schizo
Is there any way to get a card back that your opponent exiled (ex; farewell)
Finally got my new list put together.
Any recommendations?
https://archidekt.com/decks/13642192/flashtrash_gordon
>>95851594>>95851602I said POST lorywn you fucking retard
>>95851617Karn Great Creator
>>95851602>because folklore is already a fucking conceptLmao look at th goal post moving
>>95851621How tf is alara a hat set?
While nothing is 100% original you can't deny strixhaven being the harry potter set
>>95851621This would still be wrong and you know it.
>>95851602>Stop trying to muddy the waters just because you like hat sets.To be clear I don't like "hat sets".
I do dislike the term "hat set" though
Nice try
>>95851617You just pull the exiled card from eternity, easy
>>95851637Alara is the first hat set because literally everyone wears the "hat" of a shard, and then changes hats during conflux
Also before someone goes
>But who visited alara?It was bolas
>>95851636Tell me who wore the "folklore hat" on Lorwyn you shit-stirring faggot
>>95851649I see
Then alpha is the first hat set because it wears the alpha hat
>>95851666It's hat sets all the way down
>>95851637A clear distinction for a hat set is if only some colors are wearing a hat or every color is wearing the same hat
>>95851671So in alaras case, each shard is a different hat
>>95851637He's just being a retard. His entire mental state comes down to
>boy I sure fucking hate terms being coined and nomenclature I do not personally approve of. If only I could deliberately misinterpret what everyone clearly means and act obtuse in the hopes of making convincing them that the term is actually meaningless or not fit for purpose, then they'd stop using it! Oh wait- I can!!!!
>>95851662Jace, Garruk, Liliana
>>95851683if alara is a hat set then ravnica is a hat set
>>95851683Original lore is not a hat and this was already made clear to you.
Cowboy movies are a hat.
Mob movies are a hat.
Sci-fi movies are a hat.
Death race movies are a hat.
You understand this, you pretend not to.
>>95851602This also makes shadow over innistrad a hat set for the record since jace was wearing an innistrad themed overcoat. and ixalan for pirate vraska and jace
>>95851684Woah slow down hat-schizo, and remind yourself that I never actually said any of that and it's all in your head
Maybe you should go outside
>>95851689No, they WENT to Lorwyn, they did not wear any folklore hats. Again, this was already clear from the definition given to you.
>>95851690But ravnica IS a hat set
>>95851694Folklore is not "original lore" it's just as fantastic as cowboys and aliens
>>95851696Yes, exactly
>>95851696Ixalan abso-fucking-lutely is a hat set.
>>95851702>teeheehee I didn't STATE my intentions so you have no way of knowing what they are!!!!Doesn't work like that faggot. Either you know this isn't true or you're so autistic you think it is. Sad either way!
>>95851717I'm actually convinced you have schizophrenia
>>95851599Playing commanders like Tawnos or Hashaton without a theme but at the highest possible power just means checking out as many high powered shit cards as possible. They will all look the same but you will also know that playing those decks is pointless without going ham, so to speak. If you lose, you'll know you could've just done better, which will suck.
>>95851717> I didn't STATE my intentions so you have no way of knowing what they areI mean... This but unironically yes. You played yourself
>>95851714Folklore is just a type of storytelling. You know with every fibre of your being that fantasy concepts that have existed for thousands of years are not the same as non-fantasy concepts that were popularized in the last century almost exclusively by film and tv.
Go be a fat faggot in literally any other thread instead of thinking you're some genius shitposter for posting lies because you're mad about a term being used in this community
>>95851642>I do dislike the term "hat set" thoughwhy?
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Let's be honest, he is /ourguy/
>>95851738Because things being beyond his control triggers his 'tism and he didn't personally approve this term. Now we all get to suffer for it
>>95851742I have no idea who this is
>>95851745It's the man whose mustache is 2 capybaras kissing. Someone made a meme about that and it went viral and he became a minor e-celeb
>>95851752who names their child Post
>>95851733See this is exactly why your argument is so disingenuous though
>Folklore is just a type of storytelling. You know with every fibre of your being that fantasy concepts that have existed for thousands of years are not the same as non-fantasy concepts that were popularized in the last century almost exclusively by film and tvI can say this about literally anything, without your "thousands of years" hyperbole of course
>Space opera is just a type of storytelling. You know with every fibre of your being that space exploration concepts that have existed for hundreds of years are not the same as non-space concepts that were popularized in the last century almost exclusively by film and tv>Cowboy is just a type of storytelling. You know with every fibre of your being that lone ronin concepts that have existed for hundreds of years are not the same as non-western concepts that were popularized in the last century almost exclusively by film and tv>Mystery novel is just a type of storytelling. You know with every fibre of your being that true crine concepts that have existed for hundreds of years are not the same as non-detective concepts that were popularized in the last century almost exclusively by film and tv
>>95851758>Space Opera>hundreds of yearsDo you mean.. 50 years?
god, I fucking regret asking what a hat set was. can yall just shut the fuck up and go back to arguing over how fucking bad a card is or some shit?
>>95851757Rich, apparently.
>>95851758You're being a faggot on purpose and I don't know why you think anyone would reply to you seriously anymore.
Lucky for you there'll be a new thread soon and you can try again without overplaying your hand
>>95851738It's meaningless meme/cringe zoomer speak and it doesn't truly identify the problems that have happened with magic, magic set design, etc. In my opinion of course.
>>95851743Answering for other people is schizo behavior. For once though I'm not in your head.
Bloomburrow is real and good magic.
>>95851773All you have is ad hom and you can't even be bothered to define your own ideas correctly
>>95851778>because <buzzwords>thrilling
>>95851790Hat set is a buzzword
>>95851797I'll buzz your word
>>95851780Bloomburrow is the best set in the last few years
>>95851797no, it's shorthand for a particular style of MTG aesthetic and flavor design
>>95851798I'll word your buzz
>>95851802This, but he's going to sit here seething about it anyway.
>>95851808>This, but he's going to sit here seething about it anywaySo I'll repeat, once again, I'm not in your head bro lmao. You really need some help
>>95851197>Yeah and Ms. Bumbleflower is more popular than either of themIndividually only by like what, 1000 decks? together, Urza as a character is top 5 in terms of commanders.
Innistrad is a (tricorn) hat set
>>95851921>Innistrad-styled Stoneforge inexplicably appears in OTJ
Ixalan is a hat (bicorn) set
Aetherdrift is a (racing) hat set
>>95851921Innistrad was the first hat set, so yes.
>>95851984Woah we got an expert here
>>95852004It was the first set explicitly designed to invoke cinema rather than folklore, specifically horror films. For me that's the real dividing line.
Arabian nights was the first hat set
Am I understanding the sequence of events correctly with Repay In Kind and Delve Teval
>I say "I am casting Repay In Kind"
>I pay the costs
>I lose 7 life from Teval
>it goes on the stack
>Repay In Kind resolves (assuming no counter)
>everyone's life total is set the lowest (probably mine after I domed myself for 7)
>>95852011No, Arabian Nights was the first UB set, and only because it invoked some actual irl stuff and not just the folklore of Arabian Nights.
>>95852019Are ub sets not hat sets?
>>95852024No, because Jace isn't going to the mythical plane of New York City to do whatever it is that Jace does and getting his Phyrexian tentacles mistook for Doc Ock by Spider-Man. If Spider-Man was a hat set, then Jace would planeswalk to the Port Authority and buy a "I <3 NY" t-shirt and that would be the card "Jace, Touring Planeswalker" or some shit.
>>95852010Gothic horror was a type of novel for almost two centuries before cinema even existed.
The first is widely considered to be The Castle of Otranto in 1764.
Even Mary Shelley's Frankenstein was 1818. The stereotype of the aristocratic vampire was started by The Vampyre in 1819.
Gothic novels were actually such a meme that even Jane Austen wrote a story about a girl whose fascination with them was intended as an example of her childishness and naivity.
In fact the trope was around for so long that books such as Dracula (1897) and The Turn of the Screw (1898) were considered a revival of the genre.
Would you care to try a better shitpost, sir?
>>95852024no, UBs are a tour of a completely isolated ""plane"" that nobody goes in or out of. it's a snapshot of something else. when it's over, there's no remaining trace of it. in thunder junction and aetherdrift, a bunch of previously seen characters explicitly got up, went there, and did cowboy/racing things.
>>95852068And we got fucking WotCeechu as a permanent feature.
>>95852055It's crazy that you think this is an own when novels were the pop culture of their time, just as cinema is now. Hat sets are only invoking a setting or genre, even when they're done well which I think is generally true of Innistrad. Also how fucking dare you invoke slop auteur Jane Austen in defense of hat sets, trying to cover shit with more shit.
>>95852068>a bunch of previously seen characters explicitly got up, went there and did [things]Right so this is why hat sets started after Planeswalker were introduced
>>95852092no, because the Planeswalkers didn't start playing dress-up until Shadows Over Innistrad
>>95852089>crazy that you think this is an own when novels were the pop culture of their timeHoly shit dude lmao
>>95852092No, wotc just kinda ran out of steam after the 2000s, I always assumed a bunch of design and lore people got laid off during the recession. Oldwalkers did a fuckton of planeswalking and they didn't have this problem because planes were just used interchangeably with places to visit.
>>95852089>Hat sets are only invoking a setting or genreNo, hat sets invoke the way particular genres are depicted in cinema. You even acknowledge this when you tried to argue that Innistrad is based on cinematic depictions of gothic horror rather than just what's in the fucking books that those films faithfully adapted.
You can argue it for Double Feature, by all means. But trying to argue it for original Innistrad just isn't true and you know it.
It's also why Amonkhet and Theros hit different. While Ancient Egypt and Ancient Greece have been featured in movies, there's nothing in the set that is explicitly derived from films that wasn't also just in the source material.
If Wizards printed those sets today, they'd likely make sly references to Disney's Hercules or Ancient Aliens with or without license.
A hat set is a matter of intent. It marks the point at which WotC went from drawing inspiration from fiction to just slapping movie references on a card and calling it a day.
>>95851169Is she mexican?
>>95852110>If Wizards printed those sets today, they'd likely make sly references to Disney's Hercules or Ancient Aliens with or without license.They referenced tons of stuff in theros and probably amonkhet too but I missed that block
>>95852116Yeah looks like some kind of Injun.
Amazing how respectful depictions of cultural stories only applies to the browns isn't it?
We can't have shaman as a creature type, but we can print black norse gods.
>>95852126What do you think the image you posted is a fucking reference to???
>>95852110Amonkhet might not reference ancient aliens in a card but the storyline basically places Bolas as an ancient alien warping the entire plane around worship of him. Definitely a hat set.
>>95852092the ones everyone complains about have tons of non-walkers.
>>95852158What compels you to shitpost? Genuinely curious. Is it seriously that you like actual hat sets? Or that you just don't like the term and are determined to undermine its use? I want to understand you.
>>95852163I think we just differ on what constitutes a hat set. But we've done a lot of chatting about me and almost none about you. So what do you think constitutes a hat set?
>>95852135Little Red Riding Bean
>>95852163I thought it was a little funny.
>>95852172I don't think we do. I'm genuinely convinced you're misinterpreting it deliberately, my only question is why.
>So what do you think constitutes a hat set?Already explained, and you've spent the last few hours pretending not to understand it.
>>95851565>A hat set is a set where characters we know from other MtG planes go to a new plane that is themed entirely around something in movies or pop culture, and rather than creating new characters or writing compelling lore for how existing characters have become involved in this plane and its customs, characters mostly (and often quite literally) put on a hat as a hollow nod to the theme.I would add that hat sets will often add magical elements to something that is not typically magical, and that's often a redflag
>>95851602>The line is pretty fucking clear. If the "theme" of the set came from something in the last 100 years, particularly if it was popularised primarily or exclusively by movies, it's a fucking hat set. It's not complicated.>>95852055>Gothic horror was a type of novel for almost two centuries before cinema even existed.>>95852110>No, hat sets invoke the way particular genres are depicted in cinema. You even acknowledge this when you tried to argue that Innistrad is based on cinematic depictions of gothic horror rather than just what's in the fucking books that those films faithfully adapted.>>95852110>It's also why Amonkhet and Theros hit different. While Ancient Egypt and Ancient Greece have been featured in movies, there's nothing in the set that is explicitly derived from films that wasn't also just in the source material.>If Wizards printed those sets today, they'd likely make sly references to Disney's Hercules or Ancient Aliens with or without license.>A hat set is a matter of intent. It marks the point at which WotC went from drawing inspiration from fiction to just slapping movie references on a card and calling it a day.
>>95852198>Already explained, and you've spent the last few hours pretending not to understand it.I can't have spent the last few hours not understanding it because my first post was this
>>95851984
>>95852217You have no reason to trust me, save that I have zero reason to try and save face on an anonymous Ugandan knuckledusting BBS by pretending to be someone else. In any case, even if I agreed that Innistrad wasn't a hat set when it came out, they kinda blew that fig leaf away in the 2021 release.
>>95852244>You have no reason to trust me, save that I have zero reason to try and save faceIf you were the guy who has been relentlessly sperging out about the fact other people say "hat set" it would be in your interest to try and keep me on the hook and saying you are in fact someone completely different saying the same bullshit as the guy earlier, who therefore needs to hear all the arguments again, would be one way to attempt that.
>>95852261Maybe, but if that's the case...why am I succeeding? Only one of us has control over your actions, anon. Also to back up my point about what WOTC thinks Innistrad is: "horror monsters from classic horror films are menacing humanity" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CY37FWjqsE&t=265s
if a set is based on something that's not in the public domain, it's a hat set
>>95852274I have nothing else to be doing right now than posting on 4chan. That does not mean I have to entertain the world you're attempting to create
>3 years agoGee I wonder if that was after some sort of change at Wizards...? Some sort of...laziness in which they...they put...hats, on the planeswalkers. Blast it, if only there were a name for such a set. A hat set?
>>95852283They would say that Ixalan is public domain. South America, the Conquistadors, dinosaurs, all public domain. The Indiana Jones and Jurassic Park references though?
>>95852288Dawg I don't care about you using the term hat set, our mutual problem is that you assert that Innistrad's not a hat set but wotc's own words says they think Innistrad's core is 'movie monsters terrorizing humans', which any reasonable person could have told you from having played Innistrad block. Am I the sucker here and you're the sperg?
can we talk about literally anything else
>>95852261You're the only one sperging here hat-schizo
>>95852313>enough about swordbro>what do you guys think about swordbro
>>95852304>you assert that Innistrad's not a hat set but wotc's own words says they think Innistrad's core is 'movie monsters terrorizing humansYeah that's because the people working at Wizards now are not the people who worked at Wizards when Innistrad first released and either a) they have a mistaken idea of why the set was popular to begin with or b) as part of their marketing they have deliberately been told to talk about movies to make sets sound more relatable.
There may even be a secret c) option where they think Innistrad was popular because people like movies and thats why they leaned hard into multiple fucking years of printing sets based on movies.
I don't think you can possibly be so stupid that you think what Wizards of 2021 says and does is the same as what Wizards of 2011 thought and did.
Universes Beyond: The United States Armed Forces
>F-22, King of the Skies
>2RWU
>Legendary Artifact - Vehicle
>Flying, Haste, Deathtouch
>When F-22 enters, create a 1/1 white Pilot token with haste and "T: Target Vehicle becomes a creature until end of turn."
>When F-22 attacks, destroy target creature.
>When F-22 becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, it phases out until the beginning of your next upkeep.
>4/4
Might have to proxy gates. I hate paying for lands
>>95851582No, it's not because of UB, it's because there's 6 sets a year now. Twice as many sets means half as much time polishing a set per release. They just choose to allocate more of those resources to UB because they want to take advantage of the marketing bonus they bought, but even without UB there would still be as many shitty sets released.
How the hell do you search for lands that are actually your color identity on scryfall
>>95852428ci:esper t:land
>>95852438How did you know I was in esper, Glowie?
Hey ChatGPT, what's a hat set?
>>95852444Because you're a man of integrity, like me.
>A "world of hats" is a storytelling trope where a fictional world is defined by distinct, often exaggerated cultural or occupational traits assigned to different groups, regions, or factions, much like each group wears a metaphorical "hat" that defines them. Itโs commonly used in science fiction, fantasy, or role-playing games to simplify world-building, giving each culture or planet a single, easily recognizable identityโlike a planet of warriors, a city of merchants, or a tribe of scholars. The term originates from TV Tropes and critiques the tendency to reduce complex societies to one-dimensional characteristics for narrative convenience.
>For example, in Star Trek, Klingons are the "warrior race" and Ferengi are the "greedy merchants." While this can make settings memorable and easy to grasp, it risks oversimplifying cultures and reinforcing stereotypes. The trope is often discussed in the context of tabletop RPGs like Dungeons & Dragons or video games where factions need quick, distinct identities for gameplay or plot purposes.
thanks grok, i knew elon made you right
>>95852428>>95852438You're going to have to do a tapped/untapped filter on top of that unless you want to scroll through 40+ cards that are completely fucking unplayable.
Unironically, I will just go to EDHREC and look at the lands for my colors (regardless of commander) and ignore anything that says it always enters tapped. Much faster.
>>95852428commander:rwb t:land f:c
Replace rwb with your colors
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>>95852466>The trope is often discussed in the context of tabletop RPGs like Dungeons & DragonsIsn't it just?
>>95852466This actually confirms that Alara.ead the first hat set
>>95852466>For example, in Star Trek, Klingons and Ferengiit's literally named for episodes in TOS where they go to a planet and the whole planet is "earth but all cowboys" or "all mafia"
that's it, I'm linking tvtropes.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlanetOfHats
>Definition:
>"Hat set" is a fan-coined term used critically to describe sets that:
>Rely heavily on movie tropes or pop culture genres (e.g. Westerns, noir, action heist films),
>Often feature established Magic characters literally or metaphorically "putting on a hat" to match the theme,
>Prioritize theme-driven, trope-heavy design over worldbuilding or deeper lore,
>Sometimes force non-magical items (guns, cars, cassette players) into the set via magical contrivance,
>Reflect a shift away from the slower, deeper storytelling of multi-set blocks toward rapid, surface-level thematic churn.
>Origin:
>Emerged from frustration with modern set design, especially after blocks were cut (~2018).
>Seen as a symptom of WotCโs increased production cadence, diminished narrative depth, and marketing-driven tropification of set identity.
>Examples:
Murders at Karlov Manor โ Ravnica turned into a noir detective story.
>Outlaws of Thunder Junction โ A Western film pastiche, complete with hats, heists, and guns (all "magical").
>March of the Machine characters showing up across disparate genres with little in-world logic.
>Not: Theros or Eldraine when based primarily on myth or folklore rather than media tropes.
>What It's Not:
>Itโs not simply a return to an old plane.
>Itโs not just a set with a strong genre identity.
>Itโs specifically tied to a sense of creative dilution or branding-over-worldbuilding.
Spicy take calling MotM a hat set, but I'll take it.
>>95852509Who are you quoting and why is it so wrong
>>95852533Shut the fuck up Elon, shouldn't you be on your knees giving Trump the sloppy special so you can have your job back?
>>95852543anon you know elon was leaving that position anyways, right
>>95852543What the fuck are you talking about it asked you a question you politibrain
>>95852568Christ it was a joke about someone approving of grok's summary. The implication being that Elon himself posted that and would be mad at a different AI giving an explanation he didn't like.
Calm down. You're gonna be fine.
using ai is one thing. using grok is beyond cringe
>>95852610@grok Explain this post
>>95852626This post was made on the website 4chan on the /tg/ board. 4chan was a website that existed from 2003 until 2025 when it was officially taken offline by King George.
>>95852635Ain't that the truth? Online Safety Act is quite possibly the most insane law in the western world, and it passed with overwhelming support from both sides.
Not really sure what I'm going to do when I unironically need to use a VPN to access this site. Won't be able to fucking post- so I suppose I might be more productive.
IMO hat sets are when there isn't anything in the set except for the "hat" as it were. Noting in OTJ had "lore" or worldbuilding other than cowboys and crime. There was a little bit about the desert and living cactuses, but otherwise there didn't feel like an actual "world" involved, just themed set pieces, same with Murders and Aetherdrift.
The first kaladesh set felt like it was showing a world that had a focus on aether and craftsmanship, tinkering and castes. Not everyone was focused on racing, even though it was obviously a large focus of the culture
Return to Ravnica was my first proper set and immediately you had a feel for all of the different guilds, but also what life in and around those guilds was like. Importantly you also had cards that were not directly involved with the guilds themselves but simply existed in Ravnica.
It may seem superficial, but those are the bits that make the planes feel "real" and the loss of that depth might not be immediately apparent, but it makes those expansions feel shallow. If we were given a mini-set or a smaller second release to feel those out a bit more they'd probably by much better recieved but with a single release these sets feel half-baked cash grabs that shouldn't exist.
This can be felt mechanically with keywords that aren't ever going to come up again, under what world are "collect evidence" or "cases" or things like Max speed going to come up again? That means the 40 odd Max speed cards (spread across the colour wheel as well) functionally are a dead mechanic.
Crimes and Exhaust are better but in the case of crimes it's such a specific flavour there that it makes it hard to insert into other MTG sets when compared with something like Magecraft, or things like flashback
>>95852729>under what world are "collect evidence" or "cases" or things like Max speed going to come up again?wotc will surely reuse them in a UB that fits, bonus points they don't have to think of creating new things like rad counters
>>95852729What you're essentially describing is hat sets you like and hat sets you don't like though.
Duskmourn had plenty of lore. I actually loved the shit with Marina Vendrell and Valgavoth. I'm not entirely opposed to an entire plane being taken over by a haunted house, but the problem is that realistically it was just a vehicle for 80s horror movie references. Why are there cheerleaders? Why are there sony walkmans? Why are there hockey sticks and baseball bats? Because it's an 80s movie reference.
I don't think the world as it existed was very believable or sustainable, but there absolutely fucking were people who did, and I argued with them. I don't see why anyone would continue to live and have children in a literal nightmare world where most supplies magically spawn inside a haunted house that is trying to eat you. The extend to which people are able to live normal lives in that world was hotly debated with some people arguing that Valgavoth left large areas untouched and the people there would live fairly normally but we just wouldn't see that on cards. I don't know how convincing that explanation is, but it's what people said.
This is why definitions that keep closer to things that can be objective, such as the prevalence of the trope/genre before the age of cinema, and the number and extent of overt movie references, whether existing characters literally dress up like it's a Halloween party- are all better flags for what a hat set is
What about the glorified trampolines
Is it just me who thinks endling feels a lot worse than the others?
>>95852837Undying is pretty easy to go infinite with.
>>95852782I don't think Duskmorne is an exception to what I've described, I'd fully call it a hat set in large part because there is nothing else other than "horror movie". As others have pointed out I think giving it an Eldraine treatment of "you and I both know this is a baseball bat, but it's actually a toy that doubles as weapon because in the murder plane you have to keep those on hand at all times" would have made the set feel more full and avoided the walkman issue.
I agree that things like the movie references and existing characters putting on the stupid fucking hats are stronger markers of a hat set, but I would say the aspects I highlighted are bits of flavour and worldbuilding that underlie what makes a hat set feel bad.
Theros and Amonkhet could easily be construed as "Magic but Greek/Egypt" but there is both the conflict of the story and the world that it takes place in and that latter half feels realized in a way that the hat sets fail to properly encapsulate
- We know what Ravnica is like, so where did all these fucking detectives come from?
-The frontier is an expansion from somewhere, where are these people coming from, are they ranchers or farmers, what is equipping them, what the fuck is this cactus going to steal or get paid with as a mercenary?
I made a budget kellan mono red deck. I'll post it in a bit.
>>95852901I think Duskmourne doesn't quite hit hat-set territory only on the grounds that it isn't a 'theme park' set. You had recurring characters go to duskmourne, but they weren't just there to 'ride the rides' and get stuff out of the gift shop. There was plausible reasons for them to go and the set was not just following them doing wacky themed stuff.
Whether the stuff in it was all thematically good is another question: Where duskmourne was at its best I think was starting from some vague psuedo-80s through the lens of what it would be like trying to survive haunted-house world over years and years following that. So the fashion being what it was, and tape-decks and baseball bats were all fine-- it just grated when card design forgot that degree of separation.
Really Acrobatic Cheerleader is the only card that was egregious enough to me to actually be an annoyance. Young woman doing a backflip away from monsters in a fucking modern cheerleader fit (not even period accurate) with flavortext hee-hee-hoo-hooing about how much harder gymnastics are than living in literal spooky-death-world.
Anyways, the point is that while hat sets tend to have poorly thought out set themes, misfiring set themes are not proof of being a hat set. New Capenna for example may or may not be a hat set, but that's separate from whether or not they blew the cops and robbers prohibition set by freaking the fuck out and erasing cops from existence.
What are you grabbing? Other than elf bussy
>>95853033>Cops are controversial so we can't include them in capenna>Let's make everyone a literal criminal instead Woketards truly are on another level
>>95852837>thornlingcome on Kev, get with the program
>>95852837This was a cycle??? I only knew of Pemmin's Aura
>>95853111morphling was the original and was super strong at the time.
I guess I grabbed the wrong art for torchling, it was from planar chaos, so it was a reference to morphling.
thornling was from conflux and probably was when they actually started making it a "cycle"
but then they made aetherling in maze's end and psyched everyone out. then brightling and endling came out fairly quickly.
"cycle" is usually within a single set, we only have fan names for this sort of thing. it's also not a true cycle, as thornling and brightling are mythics and they merged the flowstone-like abilities into one for the last two.
>>95852901I actually love this card and the cactus guys in general. Had OTJ been an actual set we could have had the bad guys clear cutting and attempting to terraform the plane while the gay WotC approved politics crew tried to stop them while allying with the cactus people and other semi-intelligent creatures on the plane. There was so much potential in a frontier "everyone is here" set but they fucked it up by making it nothing but a hat set without teeth.
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