Hobbying Edition

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>>Previous thread:
>>95851129

>Thread Question:
What are your favorite paints in your paint collection?

>TQ
Drakenhoff Nightshade is the tastiest, Nuln Oil is for nostalgia

>>95857708 (OP)
Nuln oil my beloved

DEPLOY THE GRAFFITI

BROADCAST THE MUMBLE RAP

LOCK THE DOORS BEHIND YOU WHEN YOU LEAVE

TEACH THE CORPSE-WORSHIPERS THE MEANING OF TERROR

>>95857024
>I'm quite partial to the little lord of change.
He's called a Tweek. Him, the book (the Blot), the fish (the Slop), and Lil' Notorious KKK (the Pug) only come in the 2017 Silver Tower board game set. Absurdly rare, which is a shame, because they would make fan-fucking-tastic tutelaries for Thousand Sons.

>TQ
I'm still pretty new to the painting part of the hobby but I like Brass Scorpion for my Necrons. I need to go back and re-do the eyes since my wet palette fucked up and I need to do the rest of the combat patrol, but I'm re-posting my warriors/scarabs from a few threads ago

I caved in and bought it. There's a new NL player in town.

>>95857780
They cute anon

>get an email about how warpsmith is in stock again
>the next minute it's out of stock again
Nice GW

>TQ
Vallejo dark sand
Vallejo ivory
Citadel contrast Lupercal green
Citadel technical Agrelain earth
Army Painter gunmetal

>>95857804
Did you get the newer mould where it's just the torso and the shoulders or did you get the og mould

>>95857807
They probably just did inventory and the resetting of the skus pushed out a restock alert

>>95857708 (OP)
>TQ
GW Hashut Copper
TTC Cursed Blue
AK Golden Olive
AK Blue Grey

>>95857812
OG

Are you guys happy with the companion roster? I don't see how we're going to have Eisenhorn-style investigations on imperial worlds (which feels kind of core to the inquisitor fantasy) if an eldar and a kroot are walking around. Is this going to just be a "we're on the fringes again" type game?
I want my demon hosts and temple assasins fix scratched, man. still feelling ogryn fatigue after darktide too, doesn't feel too inspired

>>95857708 (OP)
Barak-Var Burgundy, Ork Flesh contrast, and Mephiston red.

>>95857820
Will they ever restock it for real?

Done with the second banner. How does it look?

>>95857870
>demon hosts and temple assasins
Those folks tend to work a bit above the pay grade of most DH parties, but I suppose the basic roster is already a cut above what's typical.

>>95857916
It looks so good I’m now awkwardly hard at work.

>>95857916
It looks beautiful anon.

Are the heresy legends units going to be safe for next edition to continue being legends? Or will they eventually just not exist in datasheet form? How about the forge world models?

>>95857916
Fantastic, well done.

>>95857916
man, dust in the eye must be a bitch

>>95857985
It is a good pain.

>>95857870
It's based off of Dark Heresy, and one of the core campaign mechanics is your level overt Inquisitorial power. The RPG directly asks you the question are you going stealth or loud? Are you demanding an audience with the Governor and an Enforcer detail to escort you to the lower hive? Or are you coming into the spaceport disguised and gathering clues through subtlety before making your play?

I assume your party composition will affect that in a minor way.

It's over.

>>95857870
Just be aware this isn't the full roster. Rogue Trader had 5 companions that you could get in the first area. By the second act the recruitable roster goes up to 7 and the game has a total of 14 total companions (though 3 of them are pretty barebones). So there will definitely be more companions than what has been teased so far.

>>95857942
Henry Killenger was more than anyone on that show deserved.

>>95858070
I wouldn't mind so much if the daemons rolled into the chaos cult legions and could be used in certain detachments for CSM... but it's the complete opposite where CSM can use daemons freely as allies and Cult Legions can only use them in a detachment.
For fuck sake, cult legions can't even use the full daemon range of their respective god! I can't use my master of blood in World Eaters.

>>95857708 (OP)
TQ
Ak afv field drab
Ak medium olive green
The reikland fleshshade dark tone lahmian medium marine juice mix
Ttc dwarven iron

>>95857744
>>95857771
Has the new citadel wash reformulations made the shade paints better in the long run?

I had nightmares of edge highlighting

>>95858132
Tell me about it, I just spent like 3 hours edge highlighting a Rhino

>>95858126
I put drakenhoff nightshade on everything I eat
makes my dookie grimdark

>>95857912
Hey shitass, see how the freehand is nice and smooth, no grit, and the colours blend well? That’s how you’re supposed to fucking do it. Get your shit together.
>>95857916

why the aggression

>>95857837
Kino, have fun anon

>>95858159
Show us your golden demon worthy freehands, anon

>>95858159
Nta but you're comparing blanon(the best painter on 40kg with sallyanon(someone whose only recently started really improving). Everyone in the thread has worse freehand than blanon

>>95857916
It looks good. Imo doesn't feel "chaosy" enough but it is fine.

>>95858202

>>95858253
Lamenterfag loves Sallyman, but nice try.

>>95857964
Not sure. They've been fine every other edition but they seem to be more interested in keeping the games separated these days. That said, all of their attempts to downscale model lines have been met with pretty negative reactions with stuff like the deathwatch releasing without a codex lead to them releasing an index for them fairly quickly. I'm not sure if they even know what they want to do with the model lines at this point, it kinda seems like they're just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks rn

Are death guard fun to play? Do they have some depth and variety?

>>95858253
Did you forget you changed the filename lmfao

I like hrud

>>95858253
I wonder if this schizo even has any models

>>95858126
The new nuln oil and agrax are so nice to work with. They behave totally differently to the old formulas and don't coffee stain nearly as bad. I've seen people complain they aren't as dark in the recesses but I think it's more that the area that is darkened seems to be smaller, the new washes don't pile up on themselves and seem to spread more evenly

>>95858253
What is the point of schizo larping when you get every single one of his bits wrong. Lamenterfag has blown up multiple threads just because someone shit on sallyfags models

What is it about this thread that seems to attract schizos and weirdos who obsess over others?
We should all (theoretically) love the hobby and have something ready to post.

>>95858354
>Lamenterfag has blown up multiple threads just because someone shit on sallyfags models
Which is probably one of the main reasons why people still schizopost at him

What's the better melee-oriented army: Space Wolves, Dark Angels, or Nids?

>>95858395
Obviously, but what im saying is if you're going to schizo larp as least play the part convincingly

>>95858406
Objectively? I dunno.
In terms of subjective fun? Nids.
Gaunts, Genestealers, Mawloc, Trygon, Warrior blobs, any of the monsters really, all fun to get into a scrap.

how tasty is nuln oil, it seems pretty expensive per cup

>>95858431
New nuln tastes like poison, old nuln was nectar of the gods

>>95858327
Thanks anon! That pic is also really helpful too.
>inb4 oil or enamel washes
I will autistically stick with acrylics because I plan to get a pet as well.

Can someone explain to me how anti-vehicle/anti-monster works within the confines in the universe? Why are some things better at wounding vehicles than heavy armour infantry?

>>95858384
Nerd hobbies are refuges for weird people with bad social skills. 40kg is a refuge for nerds with such bad social skills that even the other nerds don't want to deal with them

>>95858474
Because the rules are slowly being decoupled from what's supposed to be happening on the battlefield.

>>95858460
Try out ap fanatic soft tone if you like acrylics, it's one of my favorites

>>95858327
Citadels new formulation also dries glossy which I personally don't like.inb4
>just varnish you fag
glossy recesses bother me when I'm painting so I'm not gonna deal with that if I don't have to

>>95858488
So that's why it looks like that, goddamnit.

>>95858078
That episode where he almost turned Rusty into a villain was kino.

>>95858488
I haven't had that issue at all with the new ones, did your pot get really cold by any chance? If had pots of the old nuln gloss up after leaving them in my car overnight during the winter

Here we have what's called a naming convention.
>Aggressor squads comprise Aggressors
>Eliminator squads comprise Eliminators
>Eradicator squads comprise Eradicators
>Hellblaster squads comprise Hellblaster
>Inceptor squads comprise Inceptors
>Incursor squads comprise Incursors
>Intercessor squads comprise Intercessors
>Outrider squads comprise Outriders
>Reiver squads comprise Reivers
BUT SUDDENLY
>Infernus squads comprise Infernus Marines
>Desolation squads comprise Desolation Marines
Makes no sense.

>>95858514
Nope, room temperature and I always shake the living fuck out of them. Happens with all 4 of their new formulation washes I got so I don't think these are all faulty pots or something. Unless I got turbo unlucky of course

>>95858486
I’ve got some ap fanatic washes! Love them especially when mixed with 50/50 wash and speedpaint medium.

I wish someone wasn’t sick so I could be hobbyin’ today instead I’m shitposting from work. :(

>>95858526
Maybe try throwing a couple drops of matte varnish straight into your wash pots

>>95858406
trick question, the answer is Black Templars because even Khorne do shooting better than they do
Helbrecht + Castellan + 5 sword brethren in an impulsor can kill any unit in the game usually, if you really want to make sure it's dead you run them with 10 brethren
enjoy your 39% winrate because you can't play the game but kill stuff gooder

>>95858528
Take the dip pill

>>95858521
Desolators sounds cooler but Infernus doesn't really have a way to make it fit

>>95858549
not gonna do that

>>95858604
Maybe they should just be burners or sumfin

Silicon Valley billionaires take nightly dips into vats of Nuln oil to attain immortality.

>>95858549
I live in an apartment so I can’t really go outside and make a mess and I don’t have a room to really make a mess either.

>>95858549
Does this actually work? What do the results look like?

>be guardsmen
>see this
What do?

>>95857916
Reminds me of old DND art, that's a beholder's eye for sure

>>95858643
looks like you dunked your model in nuln oil but you made a mess

Wife going into early labour right now boys. Here's hoping my boy doesn't grow up to be some faggy Tau player

>>95858521
They still haven't explained what intercessor do to intercess.

Rolled 6, 4, 6, 2, 5, 6 = 29 (6d6)

>>95858651
Let's roll to see, we'll do the guardians and their shuriken catapults first:
2 attacks each, hitting on 3+

I did not wash the model so the paint is like melting/wiping off. I thought the guy who told me to wash it after I complained of the Smell was just talking about getting rid of the smell itself not to protect the paint.

Rolled 1, 4, 1, 4, 3, 1 = 14 (6d6)

>>95858679
All hit, time to wound, on a 3+ because S4

>>95858660
>I better tell /40kg/ about my wife's son's birth asap!
that little ship better come out based or it's -10vp

>>95858683
Also I just stopped here and sprayed varnish hoping to protect some of the paint job, will that help at all?

>>95858643
They look alright. Its just a thicker wash. I think it'd be viable for horde players with nids, necrons, daemons or 8 billion guardsmen. They come out insanely glossy but if you varnish after you're good

>>95858505
>That part where Rusty asks Brock if he's a bad guy
>Brock doesn't say yes but he doesn't say no either.

Rolled 1, 5, 2 = 8 (3d6)

>>95858689
Oof, now saving 3 wounds on a 6+ because -1AP. If any goes through we have our answer if you were a guardsman and saw that: You just die.

>>95858683
>>95858697

Lmfao, you're fucked. They're going to keep peeling and getting worse. You're going to have to strip them, scrub them, and start again

>>95858679
>>95858689
>>95858707
tell me about your accurate wehrmacht camo patterns on your rogal dorns

>>95858715
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

>>95858724
I don't own guard models. Actually, I don't own any Imperium models.

>>95858683
you dun fucked up

Has anyone played boarding actions? GW sells terrain for $200 but it should easily be doable with a 3d printed terrain just the same.

>>95858696
Gotta keep the homies updated

>>95858660
Be a good father anon. Some of my fondest memories was playing chess with my dad. Maybe you can do that with 40k.

>>95858747
Never got a chance to play it, but it looked fun. Always thought a zone mortalis style table would be a blast to play on

>>95858726
>>95858715
just a heads up if those are prints, do not use superclean to strip it. it dissolves print resin. i imagine iso would too if you left it in there long enough to dissolve the paint

>>95858787
ok ty

>>95858660
Good luck and congrats anon. You should bring a few rare warhammer bits and press them into his soft spot and see if you can make him a living greenstuff press mould for bits

>>95858673
It's when you cess in between something

>>95858787
Superclean also messes with greenstuff if you were ever curious about that, turns it into gelatinous slime that never dries. Iso should be fine for print resin though, that's what you use to wash prints out of the printer

>>95858828
> that's what you use to wash prints out of the printer

yeah...because it dissolves resin lol. it loosens and dissolves the excess resin from the printing process, and you typically only wash it in there for 30 sec-1min. if you did a paint strip soak for any prolonged period im pretty sure it would just eat the rest of the resin, or at least eat away the surface detail.

i would definitely test that on some spare resin bits before you commit

>>95858848
I was under the impression that it only dissolved uncured resin. I'm not a printer fag but I'd never heard of anyone "overrinsing" their prints before

>>95858747
I played a boarding action crusade, it was fun but it's poorly balanced

Has anyone played with the new challenger cards yet? In my experience this shit is totally busted. In a close game one player being spooned up to 12 free vp or 4 free OP strats is insane. 6VP down? How the fuck is that a comeback mechanic? It's free VP. Pressure and early scoring armies are totally in shambles. These cards are stinky as fuck.

>>95857708 (OP)
>Dante gets the black rage
>keeps it together for centuries
>starts believing he is the real sanguinius
>finally killed in battle, somehow
>turns into the real sanguinius, combing the souls of every black rage marine into one
>he's back
>Dante gets shoved into a dread naught just because lol

>>95858922
Think the narrative battleplans will always suffer from being pretty fun but unbalanced. They seem like they're more so intended to act as a fun storytelling game than a balanced tournament thing

>>95858937
They should put Dante in a dreadnought and then make it a dual kit for librarian dreads

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

Can you ever really beat the Tyranids?

>>95859016
it will still be worse than the already available 100's of 3D prints options leagues ahead what GW can sculpt.

Competitive play? No thanks!
>Sets up epic cool scenic planet bowling bowl terrain
L ruins? Not on my watch... We don't use that SOULLESS garbage on my table
>Plonks down entire army randomly in dawn of war deployment
Objective play? I don't think so, that shit is for TRYHARDS!
>Rolls 800 dice as entire army shoots directly into enemy's deployment zone
Haha woah! Fucking EPIC WARHAMMER DUDE! FOR THE EMPEROR!
>Game ends top of turn 2 as one side is completely tabled
The emperor... Protects... Another game saved from comp cucked garbage ..

First test painting of BDSM elf - Dark Creed coven.

reminder that if you are a fat fuck to lose weight or kill yourself.

>>95859082
Got a thumbs-up from me, anon. Looks pretty grim.

>>95859095
what if I'm underweight

>>95859113
Post boypussy

>>95858747
I play it and I like it.
Only infantry approach is nice.

>>95858785
>>95859169
I found this terrain set, looks decent as well. I should ask in the LGS's chat to see if anyone's interested. I found a decent .stl set for $15, and another $20 of PLA to print them. What terrain do you guys use for it? And what's the table size, apparently its made of "zone" tiles but what's the size of them? I might get a suitable mat for it as well.
https://www.myminifactory.com/campaigns/space-wreck-3d-printable-boarding-actions-terrain-set-1710
>>95858922
Was it due to boarding actions being unbalanced or the addition of crusade stuff that made it unbalanced?

>>95858627
Burninators

>>95859246
are there any armies with dragon-like units.. i like dragons

Oh shit here he comes.

>>95859217
it was boarding action itself, we had a few guard players and guard units in boarding action are just so weak that they would get tabled in 2 turns pretty consistently. Some of the missions were also really fucked up, I can't remember the name but there was one that is basically just unwinnable if you go first. We ended up having fun despite that stuff, but I think it definitely would've been better if boarding action had its own point values and rules instead of having to price stuff for matched play.

Crusade itself is also unbalanced, but in a different way that is a bit more tolerable.

>>95859043
You know you can make terrain that isn't L shaped right? Hills, forests etc.
You don't need to make an extreme strawman.

>>95859350
This better be a samefag because I'd rather not believe that someone was retarded enough to take a bait this obvious

Post photoshops of your models.

>>95857916
I aspire to be this good one day, but I doubt it will ever happen

>>95859016
Dark eldar more like fart smelldar lmaooo

>bought all the cheap tyranid units
>now i need to shell out for zoanthropes, lictors and biovores

my wallet weeps

>>95859375
Wga’s the damned is probably the going to have high shipping for me so I’ll probably have my wallet screwed when it arrives.

>>95859369

>>95859404
what are those dreadnoughts doing in australia?

>>95859411
Warp storm interference... please understand

Is the Warp more like the Afterlife, the Dreamlands or the Collective Collective Unconscious of all sapient life?

18-24" range---->12" range
30-36" range---->24" range
40-48" range---->30" range
60+" range------->36" range

does this fix the games terrain issue? does the game need a range crunch?

i've played more than a few tabletop wargames, and 40k is the only one where almost every unit can tickle each others deployment zones right from turn 1 deployment. seems like this, possibly alongside a damage crunch, would help alleviate the need for 15 L shapes on every table.

>>95859373

So…Tau. Are they still unusable in the current rules?

>>95859369
That’s actually really amazing work.

>>95857926
I believe they said that the system has very little to do with the game, but perhaps the spirit of climbing the ranks of the inquisition will be similar in spirit. I'd be more interested in the higher-level stuff though.
>>95858037
>Or are you coming into the spaceport disguised and gathering clues through subtlety before making your play?
>I assume your party composition will affect that in a minor way.
Yeah it's basically unheard of for videogames to provide such different experiences based on choice of approach, so while I really hope you can go for the infiltration-style and that depending on our companiosn your playstyle will differ widely, it's a lot more likely that those flashy companions represent the forced playstyle that will be central which is the de facto loud one; you announce your presence and you bring with you weird exotic creatures that people just have to roll with it because of your authority. Not really what I want out of an inquisitor experience, but I hope I'm wrong. Always wanted the Mass effect inquisitor game, and this is basically it, but what I pictured was again more posterboy Eisenhorn in style, the guy who did James Bond shit like creeping along rooftops in a noble's mansion and tracking heretical rogue traders incognito on the streets during an imperial guard parade, not bringing eldar with him to some fringe system tradepost which is the only place I can see them fit. I dunno, I shouldn't judge too much ahead of time, just cautious with this one.
>>95858071
Cool, that's good to hear. Perhaps those I mentioned might be late-game companions for when you're a higher inquisitorial rank and can requisition those guys.

chaos isn't scary or mysterious anymore, they're just come off as dumb and utterly knowable. i blame wh fantasy.

>>95859470
Terrain needs to be destructible for it to be “fixed” as the game punishes wargamers for trying to play thematically.

>>95859767
Why did they drop the destructible terrain rules anyway in the first place years and years ago? Nothing felt quite as good as shoving a vindicator through a door and blowing shit up.

>>95859782
No idea anon.
Probably because waacfaggery.

>>95859737
It's the Abaddon chaos undivided shit that's ruining it. when they go solo and devastate entire systems on their own. Anons have recommended Fehervari books as good depictions of chaos, haven't read it myself though.

>>95859782
>Why did they drop the destructible terrain rules
Because those rules were fun. The player base did not want fun, they wanted balance and unpainted battlesuits that sit at the back of the board all game.
Member when you could move terrain with psychic powers?

What are he and the Lion gonna talk about?

>>95859502
you can use any army anon

>>95859891
Except Imperial Agents

>>95857870
Why is the entire crew xenos and abhumans except for one single guy

>>95859470
This is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever read.

You realize guns can actually shoot like 400 meters without issue, right? And that translates to 200" in 40k scale?

>>95859881
>What are he and the Lion gonna talk about?
I imagine the Lion is going to give him a power wedgy and take his sword back.

>>95859460
All three to an extent. Mostly the third one.

>>95857810
miniscape ahh post

>>95859879
What caused this shift to catering to balance that has removed the fun from games?

>>95859881
Whether or not traps are gay

>>95859915
oh okay, so you're not just the typical internet autistic, you're like actual real life autistic where you dont understand abstraction and non literal ideas?

im sorry, i didnt mean to offend

>>95859627
I think you are right that it will focus on a loud playstyle. Only time will tell, though. This is my favorite RPG of all time though so I have to be careful not to overhype myself to much. I never in a thousand years thought I would see a vidya adaptation of FFG stuff. Much less BOTH Rogue Trader and Dark Heresy.

And maybe one day... Deathwatch?

>>95860003
>uhmmmm bro just like shut your brain off bro, literally its just an abstraction if we utterly kill all immersion and believability in the game completely by making the already absurdly short weapon ranges even shorter, just make 40k resemble fucking laser tag instead of a real sci-fi war bro
Kill yourself dumb bitch

>>95859996
But who is Diogenes?

>>95859996
Liking traps or femboys is a sign of repressed pedophilia. Get some help.

>>95860049
why doesnt your railgun shoot across the parking lot outside of the gaming club then?

if a 400m shot gun is supposed to shoot 200", surely a railgun or a battle cannon could shoot into the next county over.

you reek of tau faggotry

>>95860072
I don't play Tau retard, I play melee armies, but you're a fag.

>>95859980
I think it is just the rise of more competitive focus by the playerbase in general. People didn't like arguing about templates, so that went the way of the dodo. People felt bad that they couldn't pierce heavy armour, so the old toughness had to go. People also didn't like their tanks having a 1/6 chance on glance to be instantly destroyed, so that went as well etc. Instead of either sucking it up or play with the mindset of "Whatever happens, happens", people wanted to so thoroughly win that anything that meant they couldn't would be taken out. This kept spiraling and spiraling until we come to 10th which has both made everything so simple that the gameplay is disconnected from the fluff but also so complex that each variant of a weapon needs to have exceptions or their own special statline, instead of every bolter acting like a bolter.

>>95857916
Impressive, very nice.

>>95860096
>i play melee armies

okay so you're autistic and enjoy taking it up the ass. what you do on your time is none of my business but thats hardly on topic for 40k

>>95859369

FOR TITAN

https://youtu.be/23hW53m3raA

Blue Orkz player has FINALLY been revealed. I love women in warhammer!!!

>>95860103
The playerbase got an influx of competitive cardgame and ASSFAGGOTS players, which ruined it

>>95860203
As someone who hates and actively avoids Youtube as a platform, I have watched a half dozen 40k in 40 minutes episodes and enjoyed them. My girlfriend loves the channel and it is a good way to get some wargaming jonesing dealt with, when you lack the time to get a game in personally. The crew seem to enjoy gaming, even if they are all fucking fatasses and some of them ham it up way too much for the camera.

>>95860203
I mean, that's pretty much how I expect an Ork player to look desu. Not every woman can be a 10, at least she has good taste in armies.

>>95860244
>>95860234
I was being a bit cheeky, its a fun game and her army is well painted.

>>95860203
That ear mutilation does not do her any favors.

>>95860258
All is good Anon. I mostly wanted to express my surprise at 40k in 40 minutes being a surprisingly fun thing to watch. I expected nothing when I started but was pleasantly surprised.

>>95860234
The voice over guy gets a little too excited.
But honestly I prefer them over hearing Steve and Matt at MWG.

>>95860203
anyone know how to get the green skin and blue armour to look so vibrant?

>>95860276
because hes a fat ork player, they are by far the most enthusiastic players

>>95860234
Agreed, but I wish the only Admech player, I'm forgetting his name, wasn't so flat in his delivery.

>>95860284
Its a brighter green than most warhammer orkz, maybe look up recipes for warcraft style orcs? Its almost spot on that color. Might also be a gloss prime and not a matte prime.

Do hiveworld women really look like this? Can't be that bad desu.

>>95859082
I love Covens anon, can you go into details about your Coven, like for instance what is it they do or are most attracted to? I’m working, at a snail with cerebral palsy pace, at making my own, and it’s going to be based on Necromancy, though I came close to just putting the Coven in Aelindrach, as surprisingly, there is some lore friendly reasons for them existing there.

>>95857916
Nice eye

>>95860314
soft belly...
perfect for resting your head on.

>>95859369
Don’t have any, just some tasteful posed shots from a while back. My opponent didn’t have much painted tonight so I didn’t make a new one, haven’t thought to ask my opponent to do own in a while, the “busy” lgs in my area just had the cardboard cut out high efficiency terrain.

>>95860333
You can probably do some work with this one and make a cool forge world like picture.

>>95860333
Who invited the Australtramarines

>>95860276
Yeah, the fat chaos ginger and the VA dude get a bit too into it, but at least it feels organicly spergy.
>>95860294
The bald dude? Yeah, he's really flat toned. Shows feel like friends just playing 40k as opposed to big, pre-planned spectacles though.

Post models
iv started painting chad lords, they arent perfect since iv gotten so used to painting death guard in a particular style for like a year and a half but ill get there

>>95860377
>Who invited the Australtramarines
Yeah nah. Sorry, mate. We hit a roo on the way over. Dropped my Vegemite sanga on the controls.

>>95860394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLUpWayWGtA&t=492s
Nah, Tak the asian guy. He plays well but I think he needs to read a voice over book or take a class or something. He just sounds so uninterested for a show that is friends playing 40k.

>>95860428
Oh yeah, him. I watched a couple of the Admech batreps since I have a small force from 8E. His voice is oddly monotone even when he gets laughing. I'll sound weird, but I find the amateur aspect of the crew to be appealing. Tried watching batreps before for 40k and other games and the amount of people doing orchestrated batreps with over the top shit turned me off from watching more. Tabletop is good times with the lads, not a youtuber social spectacle.

What army is the “human male fighter” of warhammer 40k?

>>95860488
Space Marines, obviously. The more vanilla the better, so Ultramarines.

>>95860491
>>95860488
Space marines are literally humans, all male, and all warriors.

>>95860559
>space marines are humans
Thats debatable, they’re technically more than human

>>95860587
Space Marines remaining ontologicallly human is the whole point of their creation process being just hormones, surgeries and implantation instead of genetic alteration. It was important for the Emperor to maintain marine connection to humanity instead of creating a separate dedicated warrior subspecies.
Marines cannot exist without humans.

>>95860559
Space marines are abominations, they pervert the human body and soul. Also it renders them into eunuchs. So pretty much they are the uber tran.

>>95859980
Mostly money reasons (more below) plus these

>>95860103
>people wanted to so thoroughly win that anything that meant they couldn't would be taken out

>>95860205
>The playerbase got an influx of competitive cardgame and ASSFAGGOTS players, which ruined it

Basically, no one would buy a vehicle since there was a 1/6 chance it wouldn't be worth putting on the table. So naturally they got buffed and removed from starter sets. Now you need to buy them separate.

Weapon options are removed or changed just in case the unit stayed physically the same size, you can't use old or secondhand models because "illegal weapon loadout".

When new thing isn't broken it's on a new base size and or primaris re-sized, because you can't use secondhand or existing models for new thing, you have to buy new.

(Newest) thing is always broken, to make sure that tournament players are buying new thing instead of buying them secondhand online. Their buyout hype drives fomo "sold out" bullshit which means casuals jump on it too.

Reminder that the votann army was so broken that it was banned from a tournament BEFORE the codex was released, based on leaks. As a result, the new overpowered army with no existing secondhand market, instead of a giant tournament presence that printed money, was ignored. It was dead on arrival. GW tried to "rebalance" the codex (always the plan in preparation for whatever the new thing would be after, I think it was jetbike spam) and GW nerfed a bunch of votan shit to try and get them unbanned, but by then the tournament players had moved on. No one cared. So the faction is now dead and abandoned with barely a full release.

Catering to balance means very little variance or unpredictability. No random tables, no lucky shots, no pile of ones ruining your streak (reroll those). Balance means a statistically average dice game where you need a new army every six months because new thing better, the way you need to buy a new magic deck every expansion.

I wish kroot were broken…

>>95860587
>>95860675
They're altered, but they have the DNA, heritage, and mind of a human so they're still humans.

>>95860688
>no pile of ones ruining your streak (reroll those).
I saw a quote from someone who does a lot of analysis of DOTA 2 e-sports that resonated with me:
>Pro players don't like randomness, they want a controlled environment that they can solve
Which echoes quite true for 40k. They promised less re-rolls but that isn't a thing, there are more of them because re-rolls are something that you can mathematically control. It's why a lot of the meta this edition has been "get a powerful effect (Lethals, Dev wounds) and a re-roll and re-roll until you get those effects pop off". For fuck sake, I've seen more than once people re-rolling their successes just because they weren't the powerful effect. That's insanity to me.
It has also extended to other parts of the game design as well. No longer are rules justified with a short blurb on what they do (Go back to the older codecies, most weapons that had descriptions usually had a description on why the rule worked they did like webbers or stinger pistols), but instead they are controlled environments that players can use. Strategy Cards (Random card drawn at the start of the game that can be played to turn the tide of battle) to Stratagems (Controlled effects that use a new resource to spend), templates for blast got replaced with a reliable, totally within control "blast" keyword.
It's really interesting how making it more fun as a "game" takes out part of the fun of the game being a representation of an actual 40k battle.

>>95860702
>I wish kroot were broken…
The stormsurge and riptide, despite being seventh (?) edition additions, are still so bitterly remembered as i-win buttons that the tau army remains memed and hated to this day.

Like the eldar, they will never be a broken army again, the best they can hope for is mid.

>>95860422
Kek

>>95857708 (OP)
(GW) Kantor Blue, Khorne Red, Ushabti Bone
(PA) Bold Pyrole Red, Dark Plum, Burgundy, Bronze

>>95860745
>Like the eldar, they will never be a broken army again
bitch what the fuck are you talking about
eldar were spanking everyone at the beginning of this edition and inevitably will again

>>95860736
TBF, if you are wounding on 6s it's always worth it to fish for lethals. Which is not uncommon at all.

>>95860772
Yeah but that's not really the point I'm getting at. It's no longer taking it in stride that your hits are hits, misses are misses and critical hits are critical hits. Feels like a massive "nuh-uh" even when compared to re-rolling just failures.

>>95860745
Eldar will pop up as a problem child again in due time. Any range with a massive number of unit options is almost always going to end up with one or two that are busted from some unforeseen interaction or GW just not crunching the numbers properly. And she don't you understand balance for Eldar way less than I do for something like orks or tyranids or Marines.

>>95860736
>It has also extended to other parts of the game design as well.
>It's really interesting how making it more fun as a "game" takes out part of the fun of the game being a representation of an actual 40k battle.

I think the two biggest mistakes were both gear related. No more customizing "your dudes", particularly commanders, with various wargear combos (now everyone takes the auto-include special character with preselected gear to eliminate any random "flavour" combos, ensuring controlled presets), and of course no points for wargear (who the fuck thought this would ever be balanced). Even that choice killed customization and thus "fun". Am I going to bring a ton of dudes with shit gear or less dudes with outrageously expensive gear? Both armies are stupid and not optimized, but both are gonna be memorable. Not anymore. I'm bringing statistically average pre-made army as selected by the latest tournament list, based on what armies most recently got a new codex.

The irony is after 30 years, putting primarchs on the table makes individual games less memorable, not more.

>>95860780
Not that anon, I see what you're saying but it gives you freedom to get greedy and pay the cost when the dice gods betray you.
I've had plenty of games where I go to fish for 6s by rerolling all non-6 rolls and end up with fewer overall hits than I had before. And maybe one or two more 6s.
That's just the nature of dice games. I would have been safer just rerolling misses, but I had the choice to and I got punished for my greed.

>>95860798
This is why I've given up on 40k and am sticking with 30k.
Though HH3.0 is no longer the containment game for grogs like me to pretend we're playing Oldhammer.
I have mixed feelings on the leaked rules but will always give them a try.

>>95860819
Enjoy 30k for all of 10 minutes

>>95860819
What's wrong with the new rules?
I was always turned off of HH by the higher points games and resin.

>>95860808
I wouldn't mind so much if that type of re-rolling were on thematically appropriate armies like Tzeentch CSM because twisting fate yadda yadda. It's boterhsome for me that this type of gambit is even in present with armies that from top down don't take chances, they are tactically minded and will have their strategy be their path to victory.
That's more or less the crux of my point: Mechanics no longer serve to make the army feel like a living breathing army within a world, it's to give them mechanics to win games. Re-rolling successes for the chance of more critical hits at the expense of more failures sounds like a great mechanic for armies that live and breathe off gambling with fate. Same with certain other mechanics.

>>95860823
The biggest offender I think from the leaked rules is the new FoC. It's a mess but it more or less means if you want to take a category of units (Heavy Support, Elites etc.), you have to take a new HQ to basically be that "detachment's" leader.

>>95860836
Wait, this is bad?
That sounds based.

Yall got the tsons codex?

>>95860827
Okay this is just fucking stupid. If you don't think the rule fits your army's theme, then don't fish for sixes and only reroll the misses. That fucking simple.
Just dont go pissing and shitting yourself that other players have choices to reroll misses or attempt to fish for sixes.

>>95860861
Anon, why are you saying this that I blame players for GW making this a norm? Players do what players do, GW are ultimately the arbiters of the rules and I always found the game more fascinating when the rules were tied more thematically to what the army represents more than straight up archetypes that have to be filled to make an army viable.
Why did you get so mad so quickly over that? I'm just putting forward what I enjoy more about the game and kind of things I like(d) about it. You can disagree, that's fine, just don't be a whiny faggot about it.

>>95860843
Well you might as well check out the other leaked rules in /hhg/ then, it's different I'll say that much.

Man the generals fucking dead. At least he isn’t here.

>>95860823
The new Force org chart is pushing the HeroHammer angle with needing lots of centurions to "unlock" additional detachments for other roles.
And the new Challenge system seems fun and fluffy, but also seems easily broken by WAACfaggots being WAACfaggots. Sadly, they're creeping in from 40k as 10th drags on.
Other than that, some reservations about special rules but I still have to try it to see how everything interacts before I say it's particularly good or bad.

I'm a huge fan of the AdMech designs and lore, but am not keen on the idea of playing another horde army (I play Skaven in AoS). Have they always been like that, or have they been more elite before? Mainly I really enjoy the techpriest designs, but I do also enjoy the Skitarii rangers.

>>95860887
You're the one that's crying that a rule isn't "fluffy" enough for you.
Go fuck off back to some oldhammer shithole where you can pretend GW ever wrote fluffy rules.

>>95860745
>Like the eldar, they will never be a broken army again
Eldar have been broken in literally every single edition of warhammer.
Every single edition, from 2nd to now (and maybe in rogue trader too idk).

>>95860897
I don't need much, something like pic related would tickle my fascination.
I would enjoy a dialogue with you, I do like hearing the other side of the fence regarding this issue, because it might help me understand why things have ended up the way they are.

>>95860653
Dude he literally killed the thunder warriors because they werent human, and replaced them we even less human versions that he also planned to off when they were no longer convenient.

The goal was always baseline humans with eldar level psychic power, not roid eunuchs who engage in eugenics. The ARENT ontologically human is kind of a core theme of the entire series of 40k, especially Primaris because Cawl added the AutismTM gene and as we all now autists aren't human.

>>95860688
>the way you need to buy a new magic deck every expansion.
thankfully its not that bad. You absolutely can still play casual 40k with your fluffy army. Unlike magic, I think it might genuinely be impossible to find people to play your casual pile of your favorite cards type of magic game. And I think magic might actually be more expensive to play in the long term.

>>95860890
They've always been Skitter-reliant. They were elite in 8th when their big kastelan robots were fucking bonkers broken.
You can still lean into fewer, more elite units with Kastelans and Kataphron and tanks like the Ironstrider. But sadly 40k AdMech has so many fewer elite robot choices than 30k AdMech.

>>95860910
At least it isn't Yugioh where the name of the game is combo autism and keeping up with new archetypes.

>>95860904
Because you're fucking stupid that's why.
Eat shit, get ass cancer and die.

>>95860920
Why the bitterness? Who shat in your nuln oil today?

>>95860910
Magic's most popular format is all about casual piles.

>>95860917
Yu-gi-oh is better. Proud sky striker main here, and yes I do in fact play marines.

>>95860906
He gave the thunder warriors a proper, fighting death. A death they deserved.
What would you have done? Dishonor them with peaceful retirement? Or make them fight alongside astartes as inferior, deteriorating wrecks until they are slowly wittled down to nothing?
No, they have carried out the duties asked of them and have earned the right to go out like the warriors they are.

>>95860910
>magic, I think it might genuinely be impossible to find people to play your casual pile of your favorite cards type of magic game.
It exists, its called Commander.
Yes there are sweaty tryhard faggots who build broken combo decks but the vast majority of commander players are a casual low-power bunch.
It just doesn't help that Wizards keeps power creeping newer cards.

Having your favourite army become meta is such a double edged sword:
Pros
>Good rules, sometimes translates into fun rules
>Get to see way more conversions and paint jobs just because of an uptick in new players
Cons
>Everyone immediately assumes you are a WAACfag
>Can't fucking find models anywhere.

>>95860906
I was under the impression he killed the Thunder Warriors because they were unstable barbarians that required constant maintenance as opposed to the much more reliable Astartes. His ultimate intentions with the Primarchs and the Astartes after the Crusade were unclear, but it wouldn’t make much sense for Big E to liquidate them anytime soon, since you also need to hold the galaxy and basically nothing is known as to when the psychic awakening would happen.

Realized that once the Imperial Knights come out it’ll be all Space Marine releases for the foreseeable future with a Space Dorf intermission. And that’s assuming they’re not just gonna stick Space Dorfs at the end so Space Marines go uninterrupted.

>>95860947
This is why I have so many armies across AoS and 40k. It took me years to get a hold of some of the tyranid monsters.

>>95860422
>Yeah nah
I thought we were the only ones who did this

>>95860934
>>95860928
I forgot about Commander. Yea, true. But not 60 card standard magic. There its all Standard or Modern or whatever they replaced Extended with and everyone drops 500 bucks on the meta deck and top 8s are usually 6 of the same deck in every tournament. Yuck.

>>95861018
As an australian, I thought we were the only that did it as well.
At least we still hold the title for one of the best ambiguous answers of "just down the road" which could mean the next house over or the next town.

>>95860997
Primaris helmets are worse than the angwy mawheeen helmets.

>>95861030
okay lil guy

>>95861030
I'm partial to Iron, what is /40kg/'s ranking of armour marks?
(Not pictured X because this pic was made before them)

>>95861037
2 3 7 and 10 are my favorites

>>95860962
>but it wouldn’t make much sense for Big E to liquidate them anytime soon,
He made sure to make it law that Astartes and Primarchs couldn't hold any positions in government, only the military structure. Horus knew that he planned to disappear them once the galaxy was won and it was part of his motivation to rebel. Marines constantly muse about what comes after the war. Guilliman fully thought he would retire and give up all power.

>>95861037
8
7
10
everything else

>>95861037
They all look the same

>>95860947
>Everyone immediately assumes you are a WAACfag
If you have a fully painted army to a decent standard, you will rarely get accused of this. It's only shitters with greytide that people have a problem with. It couldn't be any more obvious that they're just on the bandwagon.

>>95861037
6 > 3 > 7 > X > 2 > 8 > 1 > 4 > 5

>>95861037
I like the womble marines

>>95861029
>just down the road
We use "round the bend" the exact same way in my area of ontario

>>95860904
Man, the Haemonculus Covens Codex Supplement was S+ tier. I miss the fun.

>>95861037
2 and 3 are my favorites
7 4 and 10 are second favorites
6 and 8 are third
1 and 5 in dead last

>>95861037
I get that pic predates pic relateds mould by like 20 years but it's crazy how different the plastics are from that art

>>95861085
art is closer to the original sculpts anyways

How does renegade CSM who are not super into worshiping chaos and mostly just want to fight enemies they consider worthy and lead armies, sound to you Anons? They have a large militia/army of former chapter serfs (represented by cultists) and their primary objective is testing their own martial prowess and overall ability against enemies. Some have fallen to Khornate worship due to this and others are veering into Tzeentchian beliefs because of their love of planning for battle and outmaneuvering, but most are just marines who realized that they were going to me made an example of by a batshit Inquisitor and went rogue.Minimum of Daemon engines and more of a traditional CSM/Havocs/Raptors/Termies/Cultists/Tanks army.

>>95861098
this is nearly half the renegade warbands, chaos does not care if you worship it, your actions serve them all the same

>>95861074
Remember the old Haemonculi who couldn't be wounded by anything except anything S6 and above, turning it into insta-kills as well?

>Like necrons design wise
>Buy 1k of crons via the christmas box & cp
>Months pass
>Rules and inability to figure out what I want next make my interest sputter out and die
>mfw selling them
I gave myself the excuse that I'm making room but I know the truth. Robot zombies don't spark joy

>>95861098
sounds like every other warband, fedora tipping atheists

>>95861098
That's basically how I'm making my Black Legion. They see giving up their bodies and minds to rapant mutation and possession as submission to entities that by rights they should be masters of, not servants to.

>>95861109
Sorry, old grotesques, my mind spluttered.

>>95861098
Shouldnt really matter what it sounds like to me anon, I'm not going to be building and painting them, you are. Does that stuff sound fun to you anon?

>>95861098
Not really an out there idea. Plenty of warbands don't fall into overt chaos worship, though that rarely stops the corruption.

>>95860897
>where you can pretend GW ever wrote fluffy rules
Fucking newfag actually thinks old editions weren't fluffier than the shit dumpster fire that is 10th, jesus christ the level of retarded on you zoomers this days is getting out of hand

Had an idea for a night lord warband. The Pumpkin Kings. Jackle Lanterns and bright orange and purple armor and they yell BOO and reap the Imperium of its Candied Treats.

>>95861153
Based
>>95861098
Cringe, can be cringekino if you lean into the chuuni aspect, but boring cringe if you take it too seriously

>>95861098
Gonna be weird when you paint all that trim but state they are totally not chaos worshippers.

>>95861153
Whatever you do don't add a single molecule of teal pigment onto it... It's the unspoken rule of the Night Lords...

>>95861098
You'll have to buy marines with minimal chaotic influence on them to make this more possible. The basic chaos marine model is designed with the idea that they've lurked in the eye of terror for thousands of years, hence every bit of their armor has evil faces or is trimmed to the extreme.

>>95861037
6 7 8

How does he get through doorways?

>>95861206
Do you bring a tank indoors? Or a jeep?

>>95861037
In the order of decreasing preference.
7 is the best because the aquila on the chest and the frowny helmet are excellent design elements.
1 because shades are rad and the fluff of TW is excellent.
2 and 3 because it's a perfect marriage of industrial PPE vibes, medieval armor and old timey diving suits.
5 and 6
4 because it's basically mk6 but with a dumber face
8 because it's basically uncircumcised mk7

>>95861118
Where you the one posting about buying back in January? I vaguely remember telling someone whos first 40k purchase around that time was like 400USD in Necrons he should start with a single box instead of going all in and realizing he hates painting.

Well, you aren't the first to get filtered. You won't be the last.

>>95861228
>8 because it's basically uncircumcised mk7
8 is great I love the collar.

So... Devastator squad of 4 Multi-Meltas or Eradicator Squad...

I'm thinking Devastators... Too cost efficient for 8 shots compared to 7 shots with rerolls.

>>95861224
>Space Hulk but with Land Raider squadrons

I love my army
I love my models
I love my paint job
I love my army lists
I love my tanks
I love meeting new people through hobbies
I love all the videogames
I love my wife (Retributor with the mask)

luv 40k.
Simple as.

>>95861206
how do you

>>95861153
Sick, do it.

>>95861206
The banner pole is like an umbrella shade

>>95861153
what if instead of purple a nice teal to compliment them

Do you lads prefer the proportions of the new Cadians vs the old ones?
I've noticed that Reptilian Overlords is adapting to the new proportions with his new Master Regiments Template guardsmen, and Victoriaminiatures is updating her analogue catalogue with digital redone models of her works in the new proportions.

How do you lads feel about this?

>>95861367
I couldn't care less

>>95859217
>What terrain do you guys use for it?
GW plastic
>And what's the table size, apparently its made of "zone" tiles but what's the size of them?
121.5cm x 70.03cm
or barbarian scale 48inches x 28inches

>>95861368
Not a guard player I take it?
That's fine.
I'm just looking at the third party market and I'm seeing change to keep the third party minis going from the "classic" heroic scale to the "new GW" heroic scale. Not sure if those are the terms used to differentiate the previous Cadian proportions with the new ones. I think they're still heroic scaled.

>>95861367
I have a bigger problem with their redesign (knee pads, helmets, collar, lasgun). At the very least the bodies are male, unlike the 50/50 split in the new Chaos cultists. Kasrkin look absolutely fucked though.

>>95861367
Don't really care either way. If I had a guard army I probably would have been pissed that my old stuff is suddenly out of scale with the new kits. Also 3rd party guard sculpts mostly use the old proportions, so that's a pain point as well.

>>95861367
I wasn't a super fan of the first plastic cadian proportions but sticking around for so long made them grow on me and they were compatible with tons of stuff. The new ones I don't care for for different reasons. They're kinda weird in that they're not like the "hero scale" first plastic cadians, but they're not really "true scale" proportions either. It's weird uncanny valley middle ground where they're kinda lankier with small heads that look odd. I have some other complaints too but not really related to proportions.

I liked Victoria Miniatures' Arcadian designs and how they're inspired by the old metal cadians a lot, but I bought a female squad to try and the actual resin cast quality was not very good so I didn't end up buying any more. If she updates those with STLs I'll definitely be tempted to try printing them myself.

>>95861419
>If she updates those with STLs I'll definitely be tempted to try printing them myself.
>https://www.instagram.com/p/CyFF8hSr-Pl/
This was a while ago. The files were probably utilized for her project warhorse a while back.

>>95860688
>Reminder that the votann army was so broken that it was banned from a tournament BEFORE the codex was released, based on leaks.
Compared to what I've witnessed from Ynnari and other armies, I assume that Eldar players and WAACfags are more angry their armies aren't overpowered given it's a new army. Because they can be gigantic hypocrites about this.

>>95861399
I will never get that attitude. The range should remain forever ugly, because they were ugly when you bought them due to the limitations of technology?

The old Cadians are stumpy troglodytes, they look like fetal alcohol prison rapists. I thought they were the sickest thing in the world when they came out, but time marches on.

>>95860688
>>95860910
I am now reminded of the new Final Fantasy Magic the Gathering cards. I am now reminded that Yugioh did Final Fantasy better. I am now reminded how glad I am that Tekken is dying because fuck FFXVI.

>>95860688
Tourneyfags never boycotted Votann, that's just a fake rumour. The tournament in which they were forbidden was a tournament that didn't allow any army until the codex got the first faq as a principle. It had nothing to do with votann.

Besides, you mean those highly selective tourneyfags which didn't boycott any previous, even worse overpowered shit, yet somehow came out of the woodwork for this time? Not the regular player or anyone remotely consistent or sane?

>>95861367
New chaos guardsmen are the best.
This goes for design too, looking at you new guard kneepads

>>95860321
I am not so original, I went with Codex coven. Dark Creed specialises in terror and fear, the non physical strikes.
For my Kabalites, I chosen Obsidian Rose, they have great color and nice lore being weapons crafters.
And for my ladies Cult of the Red Grief - speed freaks.
Every part of my army will have a different color scheme. Still need to find something for marcenaries l.

>>95861492
Traitor guard my beloved.

I refuse to believe this many retards are mindbroken over some kneepads

>>95861464
I am now reminded of the best Chaos.

>>95861480
ignerent lyer

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/xjgtng/votann_banned_in_germany/

Just because your rank, inbred local in Armpit, Ohio didn't ban them doesn't mean there wasn't a wide wave of preemptive banning considerations.

>>95861464
>I am now reminded how glad I am that Tekken is dying because fuck FFXVI
calm down barry, FF15 was never good and never will be
and nomura will always be inferior to yoshiP

>>95861502
>germany
I do not acknowledge the existence of nations who exist to lose.

>>95861506
>barry
>FF15
Thawne, Barry isn't here. It's only natural to hate Naruto.

Man I want to ruin Europe

>>95861492
kneepad autism might just be more insufferable than armor mark autism

>>95861464
Fuck Tekken.

>>95861523
In a few centuries, you'd give away everything. And that's a good thing.

>>95861480
Nid waacniggers were afraid of anything dethroning them so they vastly exaggerated how bad the codex was to get the codex nerfed on arrival. They were never actually banned from tournaments since they were emergency nerfed before one could happen
>>95861502
>b-but germany!
that's how they always ran things, they didn't allow codexes pre-FAQ, it had nothing to do with the Votann codex specifically being overpowered. The community failed the Votann by falling for the hype of people with rules envy. We never even got to see results from pre-nerf votann, the best we ever got was "I did a test game with 3D printed proxies, trust me bro!" Votann were never going to be at nids/harlies level yet because of the community reaction they've been nerfed into the gutter.

>>95860688
Germany already will disallow codexes until they get faq's and the model line is actually available.
Outside markets saw they did it to Votann, and flipped shit despite it being a common practice over there.

>>95861519
>barry
>ff15
he's literally the only person on the planet to rabidly defend it
or make delusional comments like tekken 8 dying

>>95861464
Tekken dying was inevitable with their devs making GW look competent at balance.

>>95861502
>Edit: Added source
>Edit: removed source, since owner set video to private. Information is still avaiable on Target Priority Discord.
I don't trust these people.

>>95861550
>make delusional comments like tekken 8 dying
It was dying.

>>95861550
>the entire tekken general is barry
The Flash is too good at samefagging.

>>95861554
More like hateful. They were asked for something then gave the exact opposite even fully promising they'd give what fans wanted.

>>95861561
>It was me Barry, I was the one who got Games Workshop executives playing Destiny 2. That's why the League of Votann is a direct rip-off of Destiny!

>>95861464
tekken cannot die no matter how bad it is
tekken players are the worst beaten wifes out there, they get shit on by bamco and always come back for more. this is a 40k general and they make the average 40k player look mentally healthy
there is no real competition for 3D fighting games, SC is dead and the new VF isn't out
people who play 3D fighters tend to play them exclusively

>>95857708 (OP)
>What are your favorite paints in your paint collection?
The tasty ones.

Space marine brothers… do i have an adequate composition somewhere in here to play 1k point games? I’ve bought whatever boxes i thought look cool and have learned some just kinda suck in game. Also have an impulsor yet to be built.

>>95861574
God I wish soulcalibur didn't get so fucked over

>>95861563
>gave every character insane plus on block 50/50s, buffing frame data, and broken new moves in the latest big patch which they desperately tried emergency patching out
>Bryan's new unreactable wallsplatting hatchet kick
>Kazuya's new tracking move he can do out of wavedash which covers a weakness he has had for the past 25 years.
>destroyed defensive play even further when the entire playerbase was begging for more defense
It's a very strange situation to be on a thread for a Games Workshop property and feel grateful that Namco aren't in charge of 40k. Because they'd find a way to make this radically different tabletop game even worse than GW could every do.

>>95861499
The funniest thing is the you can scrape the new kneepads with a hobby knife super easily

>>95861499
Knees or vents?

>>95861538
I'm torn. There is a German in that thread saying much the same thing, that they often do things that way. But there are also people from the UK, Spain, Poland, Canada, etc. saying they are also contemplating doing the same thing.

So there was gonna be a de facto ban from multiple disparate TO's, even if that ban partially originated in misinformation about Germany's commitment to and reasons for the ban. There were other non-TO sources chattering about the Votann being OP (Goonhammer article linked in that thread).

Under no circumstances was it a single German tournament ban that got everyone's feathers ruffled.

>chang sent my 10 rubrics only 24h after payment
kinda sus

What do you think psykers dream about?

>>95861620
Tyranids.

>>95861564
I wish I could have fans like Bungie's. They eat the worst shits they take and have all this retroactive false nostalgia about their franchise. So many bad decisions which they weren't very sure about the fans still loved even if they are obstacles to new players. I could do the worst decisions knowing they're bad decisions and the fans would die on that hill even when I've long fled with their money.

>>95861620
smelly sororitas pits

>>95861561
Barry also made tons of accounts to write these reviews too.

>>95861620
According to the lore, it's a psyker's dreams that power a gellar field and keep the vessel within a bubble of reality. Do what you will with that information.

>>95860276
Honestly that's what makes it fun, I don't want to play with a bunch of joyless drips. I don't care if my opponent or commentator is an overanimated fag if they're enjoying it. I just hate that the Necrons guy is kind of really boring to watch since I love necrons, and he plays lame lists (I am a canoptek court fag)

Sorry, I feel like I'm having a stroke, who the fuck is barry you schizoid gits

>>95861686
Barry Allen is The Flash.

>>95861677
That leads to a lot of questions because didn't humanity spread across the galaxy before psykers started popping up?

>>95861677
Gay faggot retcon bullshit nulore. Disregarded.

>>95861561
It was me, Barry! I counter-ritualposted the Fart Smelldar for 365 straight days! Do you remember when you opened that recently bought paintbottle and it was all dry? It was me, Barry! I sent sent it hundreds of years into the future so it would age in the perfect shape for you to think it was still fresh!

I'm surprised that the new CK codex turned out fine I thought it didn't look good on paper.

How to buff Recon Element (IG stealth detachment)
>Full Catachan range refresh

Ork bros are we still having fun?

>>95861734
I'm always having fun

WIP deathskulls

>>95861734
When are we not?

>>95858549
>>95858617
>>95858699
>>95858643
out of all hobby prodcuts, I'm most curious to try dip cause it seems like a meme April fools' day product like the Citadel War-ter. Duncan made a tutorial wher he uses it for a beast snagga. I'd definitely try it on something like ardboyz or squigs or plaguebearers just to see if it works firsthand.

Unfortunately it's not cheap for a big ass tub and if it doesn't work out too well then I feel bad throwing out such a big expensive product.


>>95858660
Congrats and here's to a healthy child but what if they come out a non-verbal autistic IW player with waaaaay too many hazard stripes?

or how about an Obese NEET with aspergers that turns into a Patrician-tier painter, but mixes shit into his paints to "bless his models with Nurgle's favor" like that one greentext story

>>95861767
how did you paint that skin? I've been trying to paint darker ork skin to give my kill team some variety but it's tricky and I'm not confident enough to build such a dark color into a bright highlight

I think pic rel is Luftwaffe green from Nu-VMC

>>95858660
Hope your child is neurotypical, anon. I really do.

>>95861734

>>95861795
What's the most neurotypical army to play?

>>95861804
Take a wild fucking guess.

>>95861793
Deathworld forest
Athonian camoshade
Deathworld forest layer on raised areas
Then layers of DW forest/elysian green mix, elysian green, elysian green/ogryn camo mix and finally ogryn camo

>>95861796
I guess clown goblins are legal after all...

>>95861812
Oh, and lower lips and gums are ogryn camo, carroburg crimson and then small touches of ogryn camo

>>95861808
Orks?

>>95861822
Space Marines anon obviously come the fuck on.

>>95861812
>>95861820
thanks. did you prime black? I p much always use biel tan green to shade my orks cause I don't have any other green shade and agrax is too dark/brown. How is athonian camoshade vs biel tan green in your experience and do you know any alternatives to the chunky and expensive citadel line?

>>95861837
I've seen this ork in just about every thread for a while now

>>95861822
Here’s the spectrum from normie to total autist:
Normie tier:
Space Marines (Ultramarines)
Orks
Necrons
Chaos Space Marines (non cult legion)

Somewhat spergy:
Knights but no forge world
Death guard
Thousand Sons
Emperors children
Grey knights
Blood Angels
Dark Angels
Nids

Fairly Spergy:
Black Templars
Space wolves
Imperial agents
Dark Eldar
Knights but with forgeworld

Hypersperg:
World Eaters
Votann
Daemons
Imperial guard
Admech


Unwashed giga autismo:
Eldar
Tau
GSC
Sisters
Custodes

>>95861812
That sounds like so much fucking around for painting boyz

>>95861841
cause it's my most recent and at the top of my files. here have the first

>>95861837
Yeah it's primed black.
Athonian camoshade is green but with a brownish, muddy tone. I prefer it because Biel tan green is a lot more vibrant and I'm going for something a bit murky and worn looking. The pic you posted looks like pure green so not sure athonian camo would look good over this kind of base colour.
Dunno of alternatives. Tried the Vallejo equivalent to agrax and didn't like it at all. But frankly one pot of citadel shade will last you enough to paint plenty of orks.

>>95861843
Where are
>CSM (traitor guard)
On this?

>>95861845
The mixes are probably unnecessary desu but I'm not changing a recipe that works for me.

>>95861847
You don't have to attach an image to every post. There was a guy that was reposting same images every thread, ask him how that went

>>95861022
>But not 60 card standard magic
that's mostly because of the far higher variance when you have 30,659 game pieces compared to the mere <1k in Warhammer 40k which means players in common areas rally around sanctioned formats to prevent feelbad blowouts but you absolutely can play what is usually called kitchen table magic you just generally need to have friends or speak to someone. That said, sealed and draft kinda fulfil the spiritual role of kitchen table magic for most people

>>95861855
Falls under guard

>>95857708 (OP)
dr0pb0x
/scl/fo/cpu86qe6h63nkzabu8kx1/AHIgqV76OXA7DrqvHMhkgpI?rlkey=4q0cdgkqufpog3kfl4cwvqltx&st=ortv6qe8&dl=0

>>95861858
It attracts more attention. Like words that are highlighted in a textbook vs regular text. Why not attach an image? It's stuff that I made and I'm proud to show off.

>>95861853
>>95861853
thank you. I will try it out this weekend when I go to the hobby store

>>95861863
I'm not touching that with a fifty foot pole whatever it is.

>>95861843
I feel like daemons needs to be split on god/be'lakor alignment.

>>95861875
you leik codices, kid?

>>95861875
It's dolphin porn. Again...

>>95861863
I can fap to this.

>>95861098
I personally prefer them, but that's because I dislike chaos aesthetically. I'd probably just loyalist marine models though since all the CSM models are all clearly evil and infected with satan juice.
I do wonder if/how Forge Worlds check if a space marine can restock and replenish if they were to visit a system given how awfully inaccurate and delayed imperial management is usually depicted as.

>>95861843
>normie with a bit of sperg
yeah alright

>>95861843
>normie and hypersperg

This list is shit if it's this inconsistent

>>95861843
>tfw interested in/collecting Necrons/Votann/Tau and my original intro to the hobby was Eldar
>would probably do Blood Angels if a box had half marines or IG(Vostroyan) if I knew a place to get good 3rd parties
I AM THE AUTISM SPECTRUM

>>95861843
>somewhat spergy + hypersperg

>>95861863
Half of the .pdf files are index versions...

>>95861822
Space marines.

>>95861939
That just means you’re retarded

>>95861962
Lololol get keylogged

>>95861949
>Necrons/Votann/Tau
I haven't seen a more Destiny combination. I will kneel.

>>95862005
I literally don't know what you mean by this, but I'm probably considered a schizophrenic necron player by normal standards since I hate a bunch of the current range, I'm tau racist and want Kroot genocide and I basically grabbed Votann because it's the first time I can get in on the floor of a faction and this specific blade effect.

I hope they get more units with the Mnemosyne shotgun gloves

>>95862067
>since I hate a bunch of the current range
the discussion about exposed pilots must be the necron equivalent of the one about guns-in-hands for nids.

>>95861176
heh

I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna pay 30 dollars for a TS codex code.

>>95861098
>How does renegade CSM who are not super into worshiping chaos and mostly just want to fight enemies they consider worthy and lead armies, sound to you Anons?
Cringe, they're renegades, they get corrupted, they suck demon cock.

If you don't want that stay loyal and keep sucking imperial cock instead.

>>95862073
Since we're in autosage I might as well be autistic. I dislike the new damaged warriors, I hate the Skorpekh Destroyers, Hexmark Destroyers, Doomstalker, Wraiths and Ophydian Destroyers. They're all too 'round' or something, but I hate most of them. Lychguard not assembled with the shield is a mistake. Flayed ones are lame as fuck and shouldn't exist. Ooooh the robot wants to be flesh again, spooooky. Void Dragon was a lame expansion of the C'tan but the model is cool, and the Szarekh model is ass aside from the cool floating shields. Necron Immortals are the peak of Necron design and while I am still coming to terms with the lore retcon of the crons to establish dynasties and marketable characters, Deciever and Nightbringer not getting new models is criminal.
regarding your point, I do not understand why they made the new Night Scythe. At lot of stuff in the Necrons are weird, Tesla Carbines are ugly and don't feel Necron, the tech feels too mundane and like something Guardsmen or Admech should be using.

I'm thinking about making a Tzeentch aligned CSM warband based around the aesthetic of frenzy in elden ring, so lots of yellow, goat shaped daemons and stuff. I don't know how I'd do the base marines, just yellow would be boring imo.

>>95862117
Doing a God aligned CSM warband is much more fun than going with the cult army so good call senpai

>>95862117
>I don't know how I'd do the base marines, just yellow would be boring imo.
yellow with black accents, while kind of basic, could look pretty cool

>>95862117
I'd say do a blended red/orange for most of their armour and try get the fingerprint pattern on them somehow and save the bright yellows for the eyes.
Unfortunately, all the enemies that use Frenzy are typically in dull yellow robes (Midra/Cultists) or there's stuff like the witches. And Shabiri in the Ronin stuff is just normal greys/browns and the same goes for the fingerprint armour you can get.
I don't remember Vyke having much of a design aside from Invader Red.
If you wanted to, you could paint each marine in different warband liveries and then add a Yellow effect their their eyes (maybe have it streak down the helmet to the chest or get some effects/greenstuff to make it more pronounced).

>>95862117
There are a few pre-existing Tzeentch warbands that have good lore and even used to have their own rules.

>>95862106
A lot of words to say you are gay.

Random thought but I think terminators should be able to carry eviscerators. It just makes to much sense to me and they're basically just oversized chainswords anyways, so why not?

>>95862191
>so why not?
terminators are poorly designed clumsy fridges that can't be posed holding a sword with two hands.

>>95862117
Give them mutations inspired by the flamers of tzeentch, and paint flames on them like legion of the damned

Put brimstone horrors on some of the bases

How easily can I do a combined death guard + traitor guard force? The common aesthetic elements would be lots of gasmasks and industrial horror and they'd all be equipped for prolonged sieges

Pic for inspiration, not my own work

>>95862221
In lore Death Guard have mortal regiments called Sceptic Infantry. During Index you could just run them as cultists which made sense. Now you’re forced to run them as poxwalkers or get shafted because GW doesn’t want chaos to have any fun.

>>95862226
Am I better off just running marines as CSM then?

>>95862198
It's the only picture I could find of a terminator with an eviscerator, they could totally hold one with only one hand.

>>95861717
>admech above GK
>GK in D-tier
what

>>95862232
so you want them to wield chainswords? because an eviscerator wielded one handed is going to look as just a "puny" chainsword and not much else.

>>95862181
Which part are you disagreeing with homo, explain if you can be bothered taking my cock outta your mouth

>>95862005
I can see
>Necrons => Vex
>Votann => Cabal
But what's Tau? Awoken? Covenant?

>>95862226
Will we ever get a Nurgle shit spewer vehicle?

>>95862250
Eviscerator are bigger clunky chainswords and they have a power field like a chain fist but the extra components make it so a regular marine has to weild them two handed. They're basically just a poor mans power sword. The pic you posted could totally work as an eviscerator.

>>95862272
dude

>>95862291
also the classic

I guess they could add one sprue of options to the plagueburst crawler and allow it to swap the mortar and dozer blades for a cauldron with spewing cannon, or for a transport compartment and a demonic opening.

>>95862306
All chaos tanks should be redone to have optional armor plates that show they're possessed

Primed, painted and washed the dread yesterday.

So have the Death Guard been nerfed yet?

>>95862327
most of these just look retarded

>>95862089
I'm surprised they don't do that desu. Do the data cards come with a code? They should given the fuckin things are out of date within a month

>>95862346
>nerfing anything in power armour

lol
lmao

>>95861434
why is he sad? ;_;

(shit pic but you get the idea)
Finally got my magna rack from battlefoam
On the right is my DIY ikea kvissle in a sewing machine bag.
Needless to say, the new product feels immensely more convenient to use and carry, as well as sturdier and lighter.

>>95862455
Yeah they should sell cards with codes on them for sure but they're probably too stupid to consider the option.

>>95862546

>>95862551
Draigo left a note.

>>95862555

>>95862241
admech is not super terrible in the sense that it can win games it just does it in the most absolutely boring way possible and the army doesn't fit its fantasy whatsoever

>>95862555
>Leave a note
>Leave the codex
Draigo is a deadbeat

>>95862574
It's still mind boggling to me that the army buffs come from the battleline tech thralls and NOT from the Tech priests.
Like, who writes a fucking codex like that and doesn't see that as a massively incorrect way to organize it?

Anyone have any experience using Tamiya paints for miniatures?

>>95862546
>Skullmother
Is she hot?

>>95862679
she gives some bloody awesome heads to khorne.

>>95861788
It absolutely is a thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRzmEtuufTw

Ancient stuff tho. But it works.

>>95862546
>"tracing his possible actions brings tears of blood to my eyes and a fever to my mind"
>"Angrong belongs to Khorne. I wonder if that was ever not the case"
>"Even allowing this purified thrall to lay down my words about the Red Angel is an exercise in pain"


Is this the type of shit secondaries take literally and gets spread like a rumor until it's unrecognizable? Like a game of 40k lore telephone?


Is
>"um actually just THINKING about Angron makes grey knight's bleed"

going to become the new

>"Hey guys I'm new to 40k and if Orks can make cars faster by painting it red then why don't they make themselves invincible by thinking they are"

Idk maybe I'm just overthinking it and I'm autistic...

>>95861697
Chaos was always present in the Warp, but they weren’t ascendent to the point of being ubiquitous with it until Slaneesh was born. Also who knows, maybe DaoT Humanity had anti-Chaos tech without knowing it.

Can you ever really beat the Tyranids?

>>95862844
Or new fluff is a bunch of poorly thought out hack bullshit that tries to both have the cake of all the events that have happened in the past, and eat their cake of rewriting everything to adhere to their vision of things.

>>95862861
>old good new bad
Fuck off mate.

>>95862877
>reading comprehension: 0

>>95862344
That was quick, is that an old metal kit?

The worst thing about thousand sons, Is that the moment they try to embrace change, they just end up being a worse nurgle.

>>95862861
Why not just go post in the /groghammer/ thread with all the other disaffected grumpy old farts that are annoyed that the lore made some progression?

>>95862970
Rewriting things while keeping all the effects of the previous actions is not progression, it's just bad writing. If they want to rewrite things, then rewrite them fully and change the effects as well. Just rewriting Chaos as an eldritch horror from beyond the dawn of time and also keeping all the events progressing normally like it wasn't looming in the Warp the whole time (just being extra nice and not really interfering with things until their "birth") leads to just having to excuse everything with "somehow Palpatine returned with a million Death Stars" levels of handwaving. If you're fine with that, go on right ahead, but don't get mad when people ask actual questions that previously had answer.

>>95862995
>when people ask actual questions that previously had answer
chaos not making sense temporally has always been a thing

>>95863022
>newfags drinking the kool-aid rather than actually reading shit
Pathetic.

>prime black
>drybrush thunderhawk blue
>light drybrush fenrisian grey

That's all I'm ever going to do when it comes to painting and highlighting black

Does anyone here have a Genestealer they painted? I'll cover the whole body in carapace using a dark purple then I'll highlight it with magenta and pink. I'd like to see how someone might have highlighted theirs, for I'm leaning towards following this >>95863028 approach as I'm lazy.

>>95862546
>Khorne is called skullmother by the chaos xenos Gleb
First time khorne has had a female deity/goddess of war depiction. Now Slaanesh is not the only chaos god that has a dual gender presentation

>>95863028
No dark reaper? No incubi darkness? that's p much all I do for black when I rarely paint it

>>95863028
switch thunderhawk blue for stegadon scale green and you got BL anons recipe

>>95863075
I am like 99% sure Khorne has been portrayed as female at some point in AoS as well.
I went looking, and yep, one of his aspects there has been the "Brass Belladonna".

>>95863104
Fascinating, thanks for looking that up anon. Have Tzeentch or Nurgle had female presentations? Tzeentch has a lot of moon imagery in his symbols and daemons which in a lot of different mytholoiges has a female connatations, Aztec, Greek, Roman, chinese, ancient Egypt etc

>>95861697
>didn't humanity spread across the galaxy before psykers started popping up?
Yes, in pre 3rd edition lore during this time, humanity spread across the galaxy using advanced technology, artificial intelligence, warp drives, and tech based Astronomicon-like devices. Psykers were not common or even present in notable numbers at this stage.
Warp travel was relatively stable and passable due to the warp being less turbulent, and human navigators (in the psychic sense) were not a factor in space travel, the AI's could handle it no bother. Gellar fields (called reality bubbles in RT if I recall correctly) existed and were again tech based and didnt require the current era's level of Tech-Psyker fuckery to function, possibly due to the stable state of the warp in this time, and also probably because humanity wasnt a bunch a bumbling tech-illiterate retards.

>>95863125
>Have Tzeentch or Nurgle had female presentations?
None that I know of, but I hardly have an encyclopedic knowledge of warhammer lore. It's not like it would be difficult to give either of them feminine representation either. Tzeentch, as you said, easily fits into a moon theme and moon goddesses are common, and the moon itself is constantly in a shifting state so no trouble having a tribe or planet worshipping the moon, making it female and having it be an aspect of Tzeentch. Nurgle is probably even easier, literally a deity of life, death and fertility, I'd say he's in the minority among those because he is pretty much exclusively depicted as male. Even in warhammer most life-related deities are female (Shallya, Isha, Alarielle, Ariel, etc)

>>95863136
>in pre 3rd edition lore
>using advanced technology, artificial intelligence
>tech based Astronomicon-like devices
>human navigators (in the psychic sense) were not a factor in space travel, the AI's could handle it no bother.
I do not remember coming across any of this. A lot of it wounds like what they're writing now.

>>95863092
Yeah but he actually highlights edges and blends them together , I'm just a lazy fuck and will drybrush everything in sight.

>>95863083
But anon that's more effort. I do have those paints but at that point I'll be drybrushing 4 different colours and I don't know of it will look much better, unless you mean just use dark reaper and incubi darkness by themselves. If say I tried all 4, do you just do a heavy drybrush of reaper and darkness followed by a light drybrush of the other two?

>>95863173
Well, I'm an old fart and I actively played in 2nd, 3rd and 4th edition before taking a long long break from the game, and only coming back in the tail end of 9th, and that's the lore I remember.
>>95863173
>tech based Astronomicon-like devices
Codex Imperialis (1993):
“incredibly sophisticated and reliable warp drives... capable of traveling immense distances... aided by devices that maintained warp routes, acting like lighthouses and communicated vast distances instantly.”
They werent as powerful as the astronomicon but were available and spread out across the galaxy as humanity expanded to provide local navigation and routes to the next beacon.

Hmm, hold on you know what I could do? Let me get PDF's of all the 1st, 2nd and 3rd edition books and load them all into Google NotebookLM so you can query it for exact answers if you want. It'll take it a few hours to OCR all the text mind you but its extremely powerful once its up and running and it will only give answers pertaining to what it has been loaded with.

>>95862995
Seems like a (You) problem anon. It seems perfectly coherent that with how powerful the Eldar were before Slaneesh that Chaos would be kept in check until Slaneesh was born and drove the Eldar to near extinction.

>tfw still have the 3rd & 4th edition rulebook sitting in a cupboard at my folks house

Are they worth reading? I don't remember reading any of the lore when I was a kid, just got it for the rules

>>95863173
>>human navigators (in the psychic sense) were not a factor in space travel, the AI's could handle it no bother.
This just falls back on the warp being more stable before the birth of Slaanesh, so the same routes could be used over and over again with reliability, you didn't need a navigator to route you around warp storms and currents taking you off course. Even if you did end up off course you could just get the ships computer to find the nearest warp beacons and plot a route back to wherever you were supposed to go.

>>95863229
>communicated
I typoed that, it should be "communicating".

>>95863229
>“incredibly sophisticated and reliable warp drives... capable of traveling immense distances... aided by devices that maintained warp routes, acting like lighthouses and communicated vast distances instantly.”
What page is that on?

>>95863238
>until Slaneesh was born
The same Slaanesh who had always existed?

trust the plan

>>95863296
yes, the same slaanesh who's both male, female, hermaphroditic and looking like anything at the same time.

Threads dead as fuck. Is everyone over in the hh general

>>95863382
So, because Slaanesh who has no physical body, can appear in different forms, it makes perfect sense that they've both always existed, but at the same time never bothered to kill the Eldar gods and consume their souls until, one day, they just decided to punch a hole in reality and start doing that with a hard-on? Truly some top drawer writing.

>>95863404
get a life loser

>>95863415
>bothered
>decided
not how chaos works, read more

>>95863456
>t. nuslop
How compelling of an argument.

>>95862995
>Just rewriting Chaos as an eldritch horror from beyond the dawn of time and also keeping all the events progressing normally like it wasn't looming in the Warp the whole time
The way the causality of the warp is played is consistent. Each chaos god has a defined birth, before those births the gods did not exist(at least not fully formed), but after the births the gods always existed, this changes things retroactively. Slaanesh did in fact not exist until the Eldar birthed them, and the warp was relatively quiet during that era. Now that Slaanesh exists they are able to influence the past though, and you'll get the story where slaanesh daemons could be locked up in a vault from the war in heaven. Causality in the immaterial hasn't changed, history is still history and the chaos gods can't change the facts as they are while at the same time we see bits of their influence in the past slip through, like peering into alternate histories.

>>95861843
>Eldar
>Tau
>GSC
>Sisters
>Custodes

Eldar, Sisters and Custodes are all super normies armies. Tons of normies getting into the game start with sisters and Custodes is the cheapest army and attracts lots of people that way.

>>95863404
always happens when the thread is nearing page 8, everyone is just waiting for the new one

>>95863404
You could ask a question or post a batrep or something.

>>95863075
Slaanesh still has 0 female titles from Chaos.
Khorne is the only one worshiped under a female form

>>95863415
They're not your anime characters in some crossover fanfiction meant to show who would win in a fight.

They're eldritch monsters beyond space and time formed from the schizophrenic magical echoes of innumerable living beings in a plane of unreality.
They don't behave or think linearly or coherently, it's not called chaos for nothing, they're contradictory on purpose.

>>95861464
Are you ready for the new GAMES WORKSHOPTM crossover with the WALKINGDEADTM variant limited time FOMO poxwalker box?

>>95863519
>she who thirsts

>>95863497
>gods have not always existed
>until existed
>after which they've always existed
>but had no effect in the past
>except when they did
How much Rick & Morty do I need to watch to reach the IQ level there this makes perfect sense and isn't just complete nonsense pushed by a bunch of hacks?

Are we due for a new bread

>>95863523
>They're not your anime characters in some crossover fanfiction meant to show who would win in a fight.
Nobody's been asking that so you can take that strawman and shove it.

>>95863488
That's not new in the slightest, read realm of chaos.

>>95863535
>the chaos gods didn't always exist they have defined births
>once they were born due to the warp not having a sense of causality they are now able to influence the material world at any point
This isn't really complicated I'd imagine most would be able to understand the basic idea that the materium has causality while the warp does not.

>>95863535
its because you are autistic, not low IQ. I'm sure you are plenty intelligent. However, things either are or aren't in your worldview. It's binary, black and white. For neurotypical people, things being in a state of flux or being two contradictory things at the same time is possible. For most people, saying what you posted exists because the warp is an extradimensional space that borders both the past and the future is enough. It even makes sense with babies first understanding of general theory of relativity. You can chalk up the wierdness of it to the inherent power and mystery of the warp, where anything is possible. Being autistic, you can't imagine ANYTHING being is possible because the warp has to follow RULES. Rules, of course, being whatever things you happen to have read and any contradictions are resolved with the sources you prefer resulting in your own personal headcannon in how the warp works.

>>95863551
It only looks like a strawman to you because you missed the point: you can't ask why slaanesh didn't kill the eldar gods before it did as if it's somehow a plot hole because you assume it's logical for slaanesh to do so, your assumption of what's logical for slaanesh is not going to be sound because the chaos gods don't think logically like normal beings, they won't behave like you want them to behave in a scenario where you want to unleash everything they possibly could.

>>95863535
It's not difficult to understand, anon, chaos IS nonsensical.

>>95863526
Unlike wotc, GW has VERY strong IPs. Magic is being infested by crossovers because there's no real setting or story to usurp, no one cares about the jacetice league and the dragon pride parade or whatever the fuck is going right now in mtg's actual story, and slapping art on cards is easy as fuck. It's not like they actually base any of the rules on the crossover things they represent, it's all just stuff that could just as easily have been in-universe.
GW, on the other hand, is basically built on people's love for warhammer, and casting new models is a much more involved process than printing cardboard. While I can absolutely see GW making models from other IPs (hell, that's what MESBG is, and it's great), I don't think they're in any hurry to dilute their warhammer brand.

>>95863634
And really they don't need too, they have a ton of warhammer nostalgia they can milk, a lot easier and cost them nothing. Hell HH has essentially just been that. They can go a long while by milking random shit from RT or WHFB and their fanbase will eat it up even if they weren't around for those things.

>>95863676
The fact that they can sell 20 year old WFB kits at almost the same price as their new releases and retards still buy them really speaks volumes

>>95863296
Time isnt linear in the warp.

should I drop my models into straight isopropil or should I water it down a bit first?

Dead thread
Dead game

>>95863580
>being two contradictory things at the same time is possible
Orwell was right, we're fucked

>>95863822
Im here don't worry

>>95863827
Orwell was autistic

>>95863834
Probably not wrong

>>95863821
It should be as concentrated as possible, do not add any water.

>>95863821
Sulfuric acid would be best

Just ordered my new Combat Patrol from Tehran, hope it makes it here safely.

The gunpla/knight comparison will hang over GW's head until they go kaput.

>>95863860
people will keep buying knights regardless

>>95863634
Good point, LOTR actually saved the company once upon a time.

>>95863535
What don't you understand about time and causality in the warp being non-linear anon?

Sanguinius will return as a female, mark my words.

>>95858474
At least with beast snaggas, it's because they're more excited to fight da biguns

>>95863580
Why are all canon Eldar relationships with Dark Aeldari? Even just between Eldar and not involving Humans. Like I don't think we've ever even seen two Craftworlders or Crosairs talk about having been mates together before, even though children obviously exist on occasion.

>tfw about to order a checkers stencil for an airbrush as I'm too lazy to attempt to get good at painting checkers

Think I've hit rock bottom, lads

>>95863932
Its not a canon relationship and probably because Eldar are walking the Paths which naturally makes them extremely racist and prudish.

Most dark eldar a human will meet are roughly the same age as humans and much less racist though obviously far more evil. Dark Eldar warbands are filled out by vatborn children they make in large groups and come out as adults already and are taught to serve the warband. They tend to have pretty low self esteem by being shit on all the time by Deldar society, and their society is very cosmopolitan with tons of aliens living in, working and trading in Commoragh.

>>95863960
At that point it's just easier to 3d print pauldrons.

>>95863901
Curze*

>>95863932
>Guilliman and Yvraine fanwank faggotry from tumblrite tourist invaders
>canon
Literally kill yourself

>>95860203
She was less obnoxious than some of their other regulars. Which is more of an indictment of the channel than a vindication for her

>>95864035
Human/Eldar hybrids are coming and there is nothing we can do about it.

>>95863901
Trannies are losing the culture war bad, in a few more years everyone will look back on this time period with collective disbelief that it ever got as bad as it did and will quietly pretend they never supported all that "female space marine" and "moar diversity in gaming" cringe.

>>95864050
Well duh lol

>>95864035
projection

>>95864047
I don't even care if they bring back human/eldar hybrids, but tourists who don't know any 40k lore at all that just show up and start doing fan art of Guilliman and Yvraine because they saw other fan art based on other fan art and "omg they look so cute, what is this like D&D in space?" is so fucking obnoxious.

>>95864046
She was totally fine to play with by nerd standards. I would play against her with no reservations. If anything the fa/tg/uy she played against kept knocking over and breaking terrain. Like... constantly. I've never seen anything like that before.

>>95864050
That won't un-suicide frozen flame anon unfortunately

>>95864062
get filtered

>>95864116
good riddance

>>95864122
How dare you say that about an anon who gave up on his hobby over a tweet that had no consequences whatsoever?!

>>95859043
How can you say you 100% comp try hard free if you're still using a long range full shooting army?

I'm sorry anon this is just too tryhard for me. I'm out.

>>95864050
>unironic culture war post
games?

>HH has squatted the tank piercing tables in favour of flat damage against HP
Shrimplified not shrimple

>>95859043
Use woods. Woods are good. Everyone should make woods.

>>95864138
Unless he was planning to leave the hobby anyway and just used femstodes as an excuse he's a complete and utter retard

>>95864176
I don't play HH so I don't care.

The lore is rapidly going into the ass. It seems like the porn is one of the few redeeming factors of recent lore.
In the end, it could be far worse.
You could be Destiny.

>>95864188
Literally who gives a fuck about lore lmao just paint miniatures you like and(optionally) play the game, faggot

>>95864188
People jack off to 40k porn? It's all off model balloontits tau

>>95864188
The streamer?

>>95864188
40k lore was never good.

Reading an old codex and these dudes are growing on me. Would a pair of Combat Patrols give me the basis of a playable army?

>>95864216
No, the game (more specifically 2).
Thank the Emperor that we didn't see Eisenhorn or someone get Saint-14ed into a homo and suck a dick on camera (like the other Destiny).

>>95864244
Never played that shit it looked a bad Halo x Warframe wannabe since day 1

>>95864244
Fuck off destinyfag

>>95864169
Unfortunately 10th is such a bad edition there isn't much to talk about in terms of the game itself. Maybe if more people started drumming up interest for older editions. I'm cautiously eyeing the new Horus Heresy rules as the basis for homebrewing xenos codexes though.

>>95864234
I think the berserks kind of suck and I always see their vehicles when I see them on the able, I never noticed how fucking cool the grav bikes looked though. I really like how they look.

>>95864230
You don't know any lore that doesn't include Primaris.

>>95864321
You own no models fakegrog

>pay X for a second-hand mini online
>find it listed at X-10 the very next day
Does it ever happen to you? I'm really triggered

>>95864234
>>95864320
Berserks are a premium unit and taken often in meta lists. Yes, besides the Kahl, 2 combat patrols are a good basis for an army.
We are getting a codex in the near future though so what is the basis for a good army then might change.

>>95864321
>>95864331
why are you people like this

>>95864281
People talk about 10th all the time here, and even more in other parts of the internet. People post batreps fairly often as well. The reason people don't talk about it more is 2/3 of this board are mentally ill losers with no friends who never play games and therefore have no real opinion on the game. They comfortably talk about how the game is woke and bad with their sub 5 games of 10th total and haven't played a single game of warhammer in 2 years. The final 1/3 is an ever rotating cadre of newfriends who never fully paint their armies and never get past the half painted/assembled game of combat patrol and the few regular posters who keep the thread alive with decent posts and batreps like Sallyfag or goblin green khorne demons anon.

I assume even decalmutant gets more games in than these people.

>>95864320
>>95864336
Thanks lads. Might grab a box or two and see how I like them in that case.

>>95864339
>people
it's one guy arguing with himself

>>95864367
he was complaining last thread the thread was too slow and said threads dead ITT so now hes going back to shitstirring instead of just accepting a nice slow pace thread when people only talk when they have a decent contribution to make

>>95864348
I don't talk about the game at all because I'm only into the hobby side of things. At least I don't shit up the thread, right?
>2/3 of this board are mentally ill losers with no friends
well fuck

>>95864348
Nta but I play this game weekly. I don't really care for it but sometimes throwing dice is better than not throwing dice.

>>95864389
>This board
You mean this site

>>95864281
It's very hard to take a lot of the takes on game balance in this thread seriously because the constant complaints of how "you get tabled by turn 3" shows that everyone here is really, really bad and does not get the basics of the game

>>95864396
You can get tabled that easily if you don't take certain units in certain armies. If you don't like nundams you have a really bad time in Sisters for instance. Internal balance is super fucked this edition because they kind of delivered on their "less lethal" promise for everything except combos. A unit doesn't really do anything unless it has a combo this edition.

Okay since the thread is slow I'll try this:

Can we have a reasonable, non-shitpost, non-aggressive discussion about the pros and cons of Primaris and Firstborn designs? Like just genuinely breaking down in good faith what people like and dislike about each of them and which they prefer.

For example, I think one of the things the new Primaris models fail to capture is the "industrial" aesthetic on some of the older model - their smooth panels and plating misses out on that brutalism of exposed cabling, pipes, and vents that the older minis had which helped them feel more like gothic dieselpunk and less like iphone-era space men.

>>95864430
That's a lot more on the offensive side of things, but there's clearly a very big defensive lack of knowledge here where people think they deploy out in the open and die turn 1, or fail to utilize LoS and get punished for it

>>95864441
Well you can play cagey and keep all your units safe-ish until turn 5 but then you don't score anything. That's the problem I've been having with the fists detachment; I can remove key things but I just can't remove enough to score in the second half.

>>95864430
Its pretty hard to be tabled unless you deploy very very badly. I would say deployment is just extremely important this edition which is something weaker players always struggle with. Weaker players tend to really underestimate how important scouting/infiltrating units are. The only thing that really let people hit stuff over the whole game is long range indirect and it got nerfed multiple times, which is a good thing for those casual players.

Not sure how you are getting tabled as sisters when we have stuff like 3 man arco squads to take the heat on objectives and rhinos are 75 points. If you play a 2k game you should have quite a bit of stuff on the table OR very tough and good vehicles like the castigator.

>>95864435
>Can we have a reasonable, non-shitpost, non-aggressive discussion
>about the pros and cons of Primaris and Firstborn

>>95864435
Primaris Pros:
Better proportions
More variety in kits
Can properly convey the roles of their units outside of just wargear thanks to the very different profiles of all 4 armour classes
Vehicles are way more modular which grants better value per purchase (Like the Gladiator kit being 3 variants + Impulsor in one, but a vindicator only had bits for a vindicator + rhino)
Because of the profiles being less squat, you can fit a lot more bling on units and it looks far more natural instead of squished (i.e. BGV vs old terminators)
Cons:
Less dynamic posing
More of a 'clean' design
There are a bunch of stinkers
Replaces iconic firstborn designs
The stinkers are REALLY bad (Desolators, Aggressors) whenever they fuck up .

>>95864430
If you have trouble getting tabled I'd ask for more terrain at your locals

>>95864477
>Aggressors
Aggressors really grew on me, not sure why. But it sucks because the bolter version sucks ass and thats the version I built because I think they are way cooler.

where is he? he could snap robute in two

>>95864493
There are Gravis captain Aggressors that I actually really like the look of, I think it's mainly the power fists being too wide causing it to look way too top heavy and the bad monopose

>>95864435
I fail to really think of any part of Primaris that I actually like. I think it's because they were so unnecessary, they replaced something that I liked and have to do so much more than just look average to justify replacing something, and they fail to do that. If all the knowledge of what a space marine looked like before Primaris was deleted from my memory, I think they'd look fine. I don't like MkX helmets because they look squished and the earflaps look like they're wearing a weird ushanka. I don't like their breastplate having a raised section right under the aquilla because it breaks the clean lines of the plate and adds unnecessary clutter, same with the small vents on the bottom of the plate. I miss the triplex cables underneath the plate. I don't like the vambraces because they have weird buttons you have to paint that have no discernable function. I don't like the tassets on the belt because they look too floppy and they're hard to paint underneath. I don't like the weird ridged undersuit, looks too much like they're made of old bike tires, compared to the corrugated joints of older armor it looks bloated and diseased. I don't like the raised sections on the greaves either because it makes the thighs look too skinny. I don't like the ridged poleyn, it breaks the line going from the top of the knee to the bottom of the foot. I don't like the whole schynbald arrangement with the balled joints, those remind me of pimples and I just want to pop them. I don't know why marines went from having enclosed greaves to just having a schynbald in the front; I thought Intercessors were supposed to be generalist; up armored fronts make more sense for MkIII armor since it was both a stopgap and used for boarding actions where flanking was less likely. I think they deepened the toe too much on the sabotons too; it makes them look like they dropped a safe on their toes. I don't like the power backs either, the peak and ball look bloated again.

>>95864511
I'm really partial to this model myself.

>>95864517
Dios mio, much texto grande autismo

>>95864550
you have adhd and a low iq

>>95864471
I'm just starting my sisters out but I don't have many arco squads and I have no castigators. My armor comprises of a rhino, an Immolator, and an Exorcist. Most of my army is actually the jump pack sisters, I have somewhere around 30 of those. They can do things but they don't put out great damage. Again though, this goes back to bad internal balance. Yeah sisters can do ok if you have these units, but if you don't then it's a lot harder.
Sisters is a smart man's army though so I don't feel too bad about not doing well with them.
When I was getting tabled iirc it was turn four or five though, but it was just a lot of putting a zephyrim blob into something, not killing it, and then welp that's whole load blown for the game. Actually by the time I put the exorcist in, I wasn't even getting "tabled", but the exorcist was so far out of being able to do anything it might as well have not been there.

>>95864517
I agree with this post pretty much. And I think it rings true because the people who started post Primaris tend to not really be bothered by Primaris designs or actively prefer them. I think Mk 7 and Mk 8 armor genuinely looks better and the nostalgia element is a strong one. Having nostalgia for a classic design isn't really a bad thing. But I also understand that it is a matter of taste.

By far, imo, the worst part of Primaris design is the guns. The guns are all overdesigned garbage that look AI generated. Just pointless ridges or shapes with no connection to an actual weapon. Absolutely random and pointless lines and silhouettes where everything has to be a LEGALLY DISTINCT PRIMARIS version of an existing imperial weapon. BIGGER, MORE TUBES, MORE LINES, MORE WIERD POINTLESS SHAPES! ITS BETTER!!!!!!! I hate it.

>>95864561
He's a ritual poster. He responds like this in almost every thread and Ive been ITT for like 2 years. He replies to army lists a lot as well with mucho texto as well.

>>95864550
You don't have to read it, I just wanted to show that I had actual design problems with Primaris other than "they're new"

>>95864564
True, I've never played anyone who played a skew army of jump sisters. They are really fragile and don't have great damage output. I think the Jump Canoness makes up a significant part of their damage output if one is included. That should be kitbashable with stuff you have on hand.

>>95864561
You have no models and no bitches

>>95864614
I have the canoness, I got her from that battle force.

>>95864596
Off model coomer art needs a containment thread

>>95864636
You heard the man! Post all coomer kitbashes you know of! big boobied tau battle suits, big boobied knights, naked eldar, post it all now! Do NOT keep anon waiting

Question;
can officers attached to a platoon - give orders to their own platoon they're attached to?

>>95864636

>>95864681
Yes

>>95864706
tranny

>>95861098
Any Chaos Marine not into Chaos is cringe and gay.

>>95864727
So you would use regular traitors rules with the loyalist codex?

>>95861098
You’ve just described the Black Legion and Red Corsairs

>>95864435
Pros:
>Got me off 40k.
>Actually made me feel proud for being a nogames.
>Gave birth to the "primemyass" meme
>Gave gulliman poetic justice for being the weasel he was in the hh.
>Zoomer memes
>Resized normal marines
Cons
>Re Dominates the market with more space Marines that nobody asked for
>Made me realize that the marine favoritism is eternal.
>Annoyed anyone who wasn't new to the hobby
>Gave rise to political marketing and all it's horrors
>Killed my dog.
>Took a cool eldar plotline and raped it in front of me.

All in all I can say I'm not appreciative

>>95864745
your dog deserved to die desu.

Next crime scene
>>95864777
>>95864777
>>95864777

>>95860890
They're kind of like karskin/scions where they sit between guardsmen and space marines.