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>>95873953>HH 3.0 Leaks<slash>folder<slash>h6UWVBQT#0HcYrSCiXG-dfmYV5aSplQ
>New Edition Soonโขhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>New to The Horus Heresy? Hereโs Everything Youโll Need to Get Startedhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics
>HH1 Black Books<slash>folder<slash>h6UWVBQT#0HcYrSCiXG-dfmYV5aSplQ<slash>folder<slash>Vq1UBZzR
>HH2 Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>h6UWVBQT#0HcYrSCiXG-dfmYV5aSplQ<slash>folder<slash>tr82FJIT
>Miscellaneous Extras (Visions and Old Rules)<slash>folder<slash>h6UWVBQT#0HcYrSCiXG-dfmYV5aSplQ<slash>folder<slash>Vz9kkLrY
ใAdeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialisใ
>Adeptus Titanicus Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>h6UWVBQT#0HcYrSCiXG-dfmYV5aSplQ<slash>folder<slash>52sU2DrI
>Legions Imperialis Rules and Supplements<slash>folder<slash>h6UWVBQT#0HcYrSCiXG-dfmYV5aSplQ<slash>folder<slash>tukkWDhQ
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm
>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics
Thread Question:
Are you guys actually enjoying yourselves with this or should you really need to cut it out of your life?
>TQ
I probably should cut it out. I donโt even have a whole army painted, I just like to shit post here and shit stir in Aos most of the time. The later is more fun.
>>95880513 (OP)>tqi find myself smiling often in my hobbywork and the painting and imbuing of animation into poses of static models intimately cross-pollenates with my other creative doings
besides that it has given an excellent basis against which to learn all about proonting and that's hugely empowering and instructive and will be further elaborated upon with other doings
feels good man
>>95880513 (OP)>Thread Question:>Are you guys actually enjoying yourselves with this or should you really need to cut it out of your life?I do not play HH but I love tabletop wargaming and enjoy it on the regular. Or did. Gaming buddy had his hours change and we've not played in four weeks now. It is dire enough that I was looking at hitting up the LGS to play 40k/AoS/ToW/HH with randoms to get my fix.
>>95880056It sounds like a winner to me. The batreps really made it sound like 3-4e 40k which was my start in the hobby. Less people trying to WAAC and more fun battles being waged. I also noticed a surprising lack of named characters being in the game. I had expected a Primarch in every army - similar to how 10e 40k seems to be these days, but mostly I think a lot of the characters I have seen are just heroes/leaders with player made names and titles. Very cool stuff all in all.
>>95880225Good to know, thank you Anon. HH honestly reminds me of the OPR/Grimdark Future community. Less people trying to play competitive meta and more people just wanting to play what looks cool and making stories. Which is something I love.
>>95880372Thank you, I am going to look further into HH for sure. I regret not being able to get one of the old starter boxes now.
>>95880513 (OP)TQ: Bold of you to assume I get any enjoyment out of life, anon.
I do this to distract myself from the malaise I feel day to day in life, and even so I'm looking at picking up a new hobby to help with that. I kind of want to learn how to sew so I can actually create something without having too much space dedicated, but I don't know where to start, so for now I stick to painting toy soldiers to occupy my bored mind.
>>95880513 (OP)>Are you guys actually enjoying yourselves with this or should you really need to cut it out of your life?I'm on the fence but currently leaning towards cutting the game from my life. The game and setting are getting more and more flanderized as time progresses. Sure, I can do models without games, but I only have so much bandwidth as I grow older.
>>95880513 (OP)>TQ This game is my only positive in person social interaction outside of work, I think cutting out would be unhealthier.
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>>95880606There's no escape
MEGA anon here, account I used to host the folder got murked. Gotta make a new one and re-host, should be done after I get home from work tomorrow. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>>95880513 (OP)Painting has turned into a major chore. I need to play more often.
>>95880613Thanks, Anon.
Maybe let it cool for a week or two to keep the po-po off your back. We could drop a gofile on request if people desperately need something.
>>95880557For the most part, I don't think the primarchs are great force multipliers, they're just the best beat sticks in the game. In my experience people are very particular about primarchs showing up only for lore accurate battles, with big events even having a sign up sheet to make sure only one of any particular primarch is at the event. They cost a lot of points too, so you kind of get locked in to building your list around delivering them to melee, where in 2.0 they risk getting tied up in a challenge. I much prefer spending my points on more tanks
>>95880621Yeah I'm kind of thinking the same thing. I assume the constant takedowns are due to
>increased thread traffic>GW being more paranoid due to leaks>new edition brinigng increased scrutiny in generalMight be worthwhile to let it hang for a bit and let the heat die down. Unless people are in desperate need for content.
>>95880648With the rules changing soon I can't imagine people really needing to clamber for 2.0's rules and probably anyone here can drop a link for a Black Book. Just kick your feet up for a bit or you're gonna have to do this all again in a week.
>>95880648If there is a compiled PDF, I'd like that before you pack it up so I don't have to keep scrolling through pictures. I'm also unsure if I have all the leaked pages.
Regardless, the absolute faggots who keep reporting should be aware that you don't get any rewards for bootlicking the soulless billion dollar company.
>>95880613MEGA Anon have you got the novels/audiobooks, and when you choose to bring the MEGA back online could you please add them in there?
>>95880648probably a mix of the three
>>95880665I don't have any auidobooks or even really novels on my PC, sorry. I do however have it on good authority that one of the warhammer generals on one of the NSFW boards has a big repo of them. That's all I'll say.
>>95880661To be honest I'm not sure I have all the leaked pages at this point, I kind of stopped grabbing them since the leaker was posting while I was at work a few times.
Regardless I think I'll take this as an opportunity to do this whole thing properly, and set up several new burner accounts and pre-stage everything so I can more quickly swap things out if and when it gets taken down again. For now though, I think I'll wait a week minimum since either the 40kg trolls reporting the repo or GW itself probably has a pretty low attention span.
>>95880690>that picjesus christ I don't think I've ever been able to visualize someone so vividly out of an avatar image before. Thanks for all your hard work, MegAnon, we're so grateful.
>>95880696Nah it's all good on my end man. Realistically, nuking the burner account I use is about the worst they can do to me, God bless those mad bastards in NZ that made that site. It's just an annoyance and introduces chaos into the thread since the OP will have to keep changing out the links.
Hopefully GW will forget about this place after a while, personally I think the leaks originating from here is what pissed them off.
>>95880613Who seriously patrols this forum and reports this to GW? Does GW legitimately sit in these threads and scours for this shit? Iโm genuinely curious. We are barely a blip on the radar, unless Iโm missing something?
Can someone explain to me custodes toxic sense of superiority. I understand it in 40k since it's their cope and hatred for space marines because they failed their only job of keeping emps alive, but before the siege and even the heresy most custods have juszt been wrtitten to aloof cunts, with the few exceptions.
>>95880742Sure. Someone might make a report to be a dick so they can feel some molecule of pleasure. Some guy might get a chip on his shoulder over nothing and take it out on someone else.
4chan isn't as obscure as we'd like it to think, especially when it's been proven how much this place can act as advertisement for its population.
>>95880665NTA but I found them on 1337x, tonnes of novels (not many audiobooks though)
>>95880749Custodes are the closest thing Emps has to "friends" (well, after Malcador), they saw what Emps did to the Thudner Warriors. and they Know SM are the same kind of disposable tools who will be used and thrown away after the conquering is done
>>95880749They hate the marines whom they see as incompetent and destructive for their beloved lord's great plan, and they also killed all the thunder warriors for not much different reasons. Hell a lot of the custodes during the heresy were probably there when the thunder warriors were killed off.
>>95880756>Emperor we have conqured the known galaxy, vanquished chaos and purge the space marines and primarchs>Why are you saying face the wall?
>>95880613Considering they most likely got interested in 3.0 leaks you can just put 3.0 photos on imgur or gofile without account and put this on top as 3.0, and remade old mega with 1.0, 2.0 and titanicus/ligma.
When GW nuked /40kg/ mega I just uploaded all 10th ed codexes I could find to gofile and somehow it's still active and in OP despite being 1,5 year old.
And remaking imgur or gofile link is easy and require no account.
>>95880742I'm really not sure. Personally I think it's just trolls from 40kg or whatever. The first takedown was issued before leakeranon started doing his thing, so that was not what started it. Probably just a product of the increased traffic in the thread and the new edition. Also like
>>95880754 said don't think we're sitting in some hidden corner of the internet anymore, /tg/ might be one of the slower, smaller boards but 4chan is still well-known and /tg/ in particular is basically a containment board for 40k anyways.
My personal conspiracy theory is that it's the guy who sperg'd out over the spelling of Legions Imperialis doing it, since the first time it got takedown'd was like, less than a day after I changed the spelling of the MEGA folder to fuck with him.
>>95880776Sounds interesting. Haven't looked into it but I'll check it out in the meantime. Might use it as an emergency backup I can throw in the thread if needed, or maybe more if I like it. Will check back tomorrow.
>>95880749Well to put it bluntly they are superior to marines, straight up. It's not toxic sense of superiority, they know they are superior.
Also they are Emperor's personal legion, his personal bodyguards. Custodes are first gene-engineered warriors created by Emperor and each is custom made, unlike mass produced astartes or even lower quality produced thunder warriors.
Also any time there was problem within Imperium it was caused by marines or primarch.
>>95880777More likely as 3.0 leaked some GW supervisor wanted his underlings to take action so they had to act like they were doing something. In between editions who gives a fuck if the rules are floating in the web but when they're still supposed to be secret and everything now people gotta pretend they care.
>>95880782Oh and I forgot, found some more titanicus terminals, some new and I think 1 or 2 old but updated with additional weapon cards.
gofile.io/d/P0AZKw
>>95880805You're a real one. Thanks.
>>95880805Thank you, my dude
>>95880777Are you changing the files so the checksum is different? Once you get popped if you just upload the same thing over again it is so easy to detect and remove it.
>I should start playing HH
>The Iron Warriors a cool!
>No, actually the Mechanicum!
>I mean AL
>I mean Imperial Fists
>I mean Solar Auxilia
>I meam Dark Angels
>I mean WE
How the fuck do you pick?
>>95880897Just think of reasons why they're lame, and the one that you struggle most with you go with that.
>>95880897What colors do you WANT to paint.
IF might be cool (they're not but they might be) but painting yellow is a pain if you're not ready for it. Meanwhile AL might not be as cool as terminators with shields and spears but painting metallic teal is pretty bitchin'.
>>95880897"This one looks coolest."
Harder if you like the look of DA, IH or RG tacs the most, I guess.
>>95880920>>95880926It's a case of
>IW scheme isb baller, and just look at those Tyrants!>But IF have all the Templar stuff, and awesome characters...>Mechanicum robots are amazing! A shame the game is marine-centric...>I love Veletaris! But I'mnot gping to paint 200 of them...>Heresy DA colors are great... and so are thw winged helmets...>Oh but look ar Exodus! And look at Sevatar!So on and so forth.
>>95880950Just pick one. The one that sings to you the most. Paint a model.
If you decide you don't like it repaint it in one of the others.
I thought I wanted to do a UM army because I like the look, but didn't like it when I painted it, so moth balled it. Now they're inductii for my AL..
>>95880950Through praveians and Forge Lords you can get mech bots in a marine army easy. Overlords let you pack some lasrifle auxilia in so it's not like you'll never have a reason to paint those guys up.
If you can't decide on a legion build a list and think of which legion it fits the most. It's not like you're ever going to stop.
>>95880791>Also any time there was problem within Imperium it was caused by marines or primarchSuch is the cost of being cooler
>>95880513 (OP)>Are you guys actually enjoying yourselves with this or should you really need to cut it out of your life?I was at the event in the OP, it was pretty fun. I hate getting in arguments with people online about the game; there's a lot of people who have the "trying to win the game is badwrongfun" attitude, and it makes discussions about balance almost impossible.
early mockup of a saturnine with two guns!
>>95881007That's a mockery alright
>>95880897I wish I knew enough about 30k to justify a mixed world eater/ thousand son army.
>>95881016Simple Anon, your justification is "because I want to"
Also it's funny how TS are more down with WE than they are with SW and DG.
>>95880987I didn't get around to building it before the end of 2.0, but I had a list drawn up for IW that was nearly 1/4 robots.
>>95881016They're both traitor legions so it takes very little justification to having them fight together
>>95881037Anon I will literally abandon 4chan, my models, my hobby, get my shit together and get a girlfriend and a mortgage before I encourage someone to play and paint Iron Warriors.
Play Alpha Legion or Dark Angels, you dullard.
>>95881046>Spray Leadbelcher>Cover in nuln oilI hate them too but they are honestly the easiest to paint
>>95881056The leadbelcher spray is ass and comes out more grey than metallic. Just black/iron warrior basecoat with a flatbrush and then nuln+leadbelcher drybrush and learn how to do chevrons.
still playing with the ERA placement and the right balance of 'busy' but this thicc boi is almost done
>>95881072That's absolutely not true.
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>>95881080The large flat plates on the sides feel like the obvious spots. Roof not so much, unless you're expecting... mortar fire?
>>95881088good call, I'll try that. Wanna put some smoke launchers on the sides too
Fellblades can get 2 pintle mounted weapons. It would be cool to make a mount over some of the stowage and turret next to the commander's hatch and put a heavy bolter tarantula on top like a remote weapons station.
>>95881085nta, but bro what are you on about? Ive never had an issue with the leadbelcher spray and it NEVER came out looking like it was just gray.
>>95881046Good news, my main army is Alphas.
>>95881103I've never had it come out grey, but I've given up on LB spray because I never have anything stick to it properly.
>>95881080absolutely nucking futs
which legion will it belong to?
maybe bearers judging by the boi with horns in the back?
>>95881107Another successful AL psyop
>>95880513 (OP)I find painting miniatures a very pleasant activity and I enjoy looking at the results of my labour. I'll reserve judgement for the 3rd edition once I've actually played it.
>>95881128thanks dude. its totally off brand, but I'm doing spooky traitor scars. have bunch of old models intended for an IW project. this is the only way they'll ever get paint
>>95881112Are you trying to spray in like 100% humidity? I did all my Legions Imperialis DarkMech spiders with it and it worked fine.
>>95881230Are those Kruleboy bits?
>>95881252lol yep. lotta WS guys go full weeb but mine are more like heavy metal barbarians
>>95881277Kruleboyz are a good move for WS, can't wait to see these fully painted.
>TQ
It is one of the good things in life: ebbs and flows, but tends to settle in a comfortable place after GW moves on other projects.
>>95881230oh my goodness that's absolutely wicked, love it to death
and those are some d o t e d boys holy shit pewter jump rigs? excellent
oh man i see a corpse grinder bit in there too i butchered that kit to fuck with my eater shits and made scouts out of them
it can be worked around surely and your dudes are so gloriously faultless in part because of them, but how do you reckon bigass topknots work with regards to jump pack intakes that are ostensibly sort of going to draw them in?
super duper fibres that can play in and around the grilles without issue couple with a space marine's monstrous physiology and armour making them essentially no hinderance?
it's something i came up against in doing some of my guys but opted for sticking with static horns on the pertinent models even though a few are able to rock jetpacks with bigass capes alongside
edna weeps, i laugh <3
>>95880897IDK, roll for dubs in here and see what you get. Or put the ones you want in a lottery and see what you get. If you're disappointed, you didn't want that one.
Or pick a Legion & Allies.
>>95881230honestly this just proves what annoys me with so many "loyalist traitor" armies. it seems like almost every project where someone converts a loyalist army, they are usually able to add to the aesthetic of the army generally well with these being basically techno barbarians. When people reverse traitor legions into loyalists, they only ever remove traits from the army, ie night lords with the flayed skin and skulls removed. It's lame, especially when you pass it off as a big challenge or something. Come on, make them do something cool instead of being darker bog standard marines
>>95881426>night lords with the flayed skin and skulls removed.That's more of a problem with the concept of Loyalist night lords being pants on head retarded. The only thing worse is Loyalist word bearers.
>>95881426as a friend of mine says 'loyalists are boring'
Traitor Ultramarines but they're based on Roman populists such as Cataline.
>>95881476What would be their reason to be traitors? Ultramarines were led decently by one of the primarchs who wasn't a psychotic manchild.
>>95881443Nah thereโs plenty of room for loyal nl especially with how many would be mad at Konrad for randomly exterminating nostramo. Theres multiple nl in the books that are/ would be loyalists. The issue is making them darker ultramarines
>>95881491>Guilliman being pants on head retarded throughout most of the heresy>Having some world being generally fucked over by how ultramar is run>Randomly chaos corrupted>terran born like 99% of the traitors in loyal legionsTake your pick
>>95880897Play shattered legions
>:)
>>95881244Nope, done it in the middle of summer, 40c day and it's the same.
The spray itself comes out perfectly, it's just putting anything on top of it. Tried with multiple different cans of it, too.
>>95881518Have you tried colorforge sprays?
>>95881545Will approve here. I use their sanguine red during floridas current wet and hot season for wb. Great sprays, no issue with mine
>>95881491traitor is relative to the imperium and does not have to be chaos aligned. imperium secundus is traitorous in a way, the 2nd edition rulebook specifically calls out the UM traitor WL trait as feeling their loyalty should be more to their own worlds instead of the imperium as a whole.
Newfag lurker here
I played 5e most back in the day, was my start and 1e KT a couple times recently. 10e 40k seems gay as shit. I borrowed a 3e codex to play with a coworker soon, rules feels like home but i wanna expand to play more for all this fuckin work ive done and Heresy seems better barring no Xenos to kill
My questions:1) are people big fags about not having Legion colors? My Dudes are a BA successor chapter so Im playing by their rules
2) are they fags about modern units? I was going by Rule of Cool for making them so i got mostly Beakies, but some classic 90s Marines with a couple nuhammer sized guys (a captain, jump chaplain and the BT Castellan)
3) are Rhinos a thing? Read conflicting stuff so far
4) whatโs the average points for games? 2k?
Pictured are my done guys. About 40 some Tac with Sgts, one melta. 6 Death Company, termie Chaplain, Castellan as Techmarine. I also got 10 more Tactical, a boxnaught, a Rhino and Deathwing Knights Iโm ripping all the DA stuff off. Might get some Scouts to round out. My goal was to make an entire 1st company, non-codex so not a straight 100
>>95881443>traitor night lords being pants on head retardedLoyalist doesn't mean they're good guys, it just means they ended up on the other side of the war. Loyalist night lords would totally keep the flayed skins and skulls.
>>95881491Their motivation would be to carve out a kingdom of their own, since the ultramarines are politicians at heart. Either because your guy believes he can run a more utopian society than the emperor, or because he believes Horus would let him rule with an iron fist.
>>95881426The best inversions for either traitors or loyalists aren't about adding or subtracting, but about playing up certain aspects of the legion's existing character. Part of the reason why loyalists turning bad can be so interesting is because your answer for why they did it can lead to so many different armies, like maybe your Raven Guard were consumed by hatred after the massacre and Khorne took them as his own. For the traitors turned loyalist though, we pretty much already know what they'd be like since it'll likely be the same as pre-heresy. It's not a question of adding or taking away, it's just that one has more freedom.
>>95881572Yeah, most people prefer their games of Horus Heresy to be set in the Horus Heresy, so they want the armies to be period-appropriate. That said, you and your coworker could easily use the rules to represent any space marine on space marine wars.
>>958815721. if you're not bothering to paint your army in the legion you're playing them as, why should anyone bother playing you?
2. if you're bothered to play heresy units, why should anyone bother playing you?
3. yes
4. 3k is the standard
additional tip, throw all that trash in the bin and get proper heresy minis
>>95881496I was literally going to hop in here to ask about loyalist night lords. My idea is more that they focus on justice and have them be Judge Jury and Executioner and just extremely upset in general. They don't like how a bunch of criminals are being recruited into their ranks, but they also don't like how Curze handled the situation. I was going to say they probably avoid the drop site, but in truth they probably go under the same reasons the rest of the legion went, but once the killing begins they find it disgusting because by all means they should be in their element out numbering and overwhelming their enemies, but they don't agree with the situation. There is no justice, so they do what any true night lord would do: flee. It's not like the traitor fleets would turn their guns on them, and they could simply lie and claim to be chasing prey.
>>95881491Pride and ambition.
There's a traitor UM warlord trait that explicitly says that there were Ultramarines who left the imperium because they wanted more power.
Guilliman himself tried to establish his own imperium.
>>95881572>1 your colors are fine since youโre using red. Various companies in heresy use different heraldry and have some color variation though you donโt see stuff like blue blood angels. They absolutely would hang you from the rafters for using primaris though(indomidus terminators donโt really count here since itโs just an upscale of the old kit and not an armor variant of the og)>2 people care more about armor mks than unit types from 40K. As long as those characters arenโt in mkx armor, theyโre just consuls in artificer armor. All armor mks were available throughout the heresy outside of mk7 which is the 40K firstborn tactical marine kit. Mk7 only really was around for the siege of terra>3 rhinos are a thing in heresy. Easy cheap extra mobility for characters or support squads>4 depends on your group but generally 1k is iffy, 2k is fine, 3k is the sweet spot for most games. Some units are limited in armies, meaning you literally canโt use them unless your army has a minimum of exactly 2k points in it. No 1999 points
>>95880513 (OP)>TQheresy for me has always been just a side project to tinker with after reading one of the books. I read A Thousand Sons so got BoP and chinkcast Osiron and Castellax to paint up. Then it was Vnegeful Spirit so I did AoD up in SoH colours. Read Fulgrim after and got a small IH collection and now I've read Betrayer I'm going to do Saturnine up as WE. The rules have always been secondary and frankly have always been shit, 7th ed was hardly a benchmark of quality after all. I'll try the 3.0 ruleset out but I'm mostly here for Mk2 and upscaled cata.
>>95881491You could have a group that defected during Imperium Secundus either believing Guilliman is in the wrong or the Emperor is already dead
>>95881618General idea is fine but the whole โnl are cowardsโ thing is a meme that comes from 40K warbands of nl being generally smaller. Theyโre not gonna run at an enemy and die when they have an entire tactical doctrine thatโs more effective
>>95881505terrans were loyalists pretty much by default retard, literally the only time they weren't is in the RG because Corax was so shit they remembered their time with Horus fondly.
>>95881639I know they're not really cowards. That's just how everyone sees them because they would rather retreat to find a better angle than stand and fight.
>>95881654lots of dark angel traitors were terran born retard, go back to 40k you tourist
>>95881677DA treachery has literally nothing to do with Horus or even the HH other than Lion being away, hows the early onset dementia treating you?
>>95881696nice goalpost moving tourist, you claimed "literally" the only time terrans weren't loyalists was with the RG, you are wrong.
and claiming astelan and his terran born marines turned traitor because the lion "was away" just shows you don't know shit about the heresy.
>>95881710Terrans were typically loyalist, coming from the homeworld and fighting with the emperor does that to you, retard.
Does anyone have a pdf or epub of Era of Ruin?
>>95881572Strip your models and throw your primaris bits in the trash where they belong.
>>95881735you can be a traitor and still loyal to the emperor and i have literally given you an example of that.
read some lore and fuck off back to 40k
>>95881735>>95881835Who ever posts models first wins this gay argument
>>95881845heres some traitor terrans
>>95881443loyalist word bearers could be cool, boys in grey and gold stubbornly fighting both sides in the name of the God-Emperor
>>95881863>primaris>2 year old imageanon, you're not helping your case
>>9588151840c is too hot. You shouldn't be spraying it above 25c. Also, shake it well before using it.
>>95881835>you can be a traitor and still loyal to the emperorHH as a distinct game setting was a mistake.
>>95881873>40c is too hotnot that anon, but sometimes you can't help the weather.
It doesn't matter the temp or humidity when you spray, so long as you've shaken it enough, don't spray in direct sunlight, and use flicking motions so that you don't spray too think you'll be golden.
I was taught that method and have never run intop any problems, even with old GW white spray.
>>95881884I live in California and if I spray when it's too hot out it'll dry on the way to the model and create this rough texture that sucks to paint. Paint when its too cold and it drips off and doesn't cover correctly. The tolerances are a bit wider than they say on the can, though, especially on the high end. But shaking is essential. Warming the can up helps too.
>>95880513 (OP)>TQYes
Will finish regular praetor today as well
>>95881901you can spray with the nozzle only 5 inches away from the model if it is very hot out, just keep the can moving side to side and do quick passes. Same if you heat the can up.
>>95881901What said
>>95881944 is the most important tip for spraying, don't tlinger and let the paint clog up, just quick 0.5 sec spray passes.
if you getting that chalky texture makes sure you shaking the shit out of you paint always spraying in the shade so the paint doesn't dry mid way to the model.
The link seems to be down, can anyone upload the Adeptus Titanicus rulebook? Both 1.0 and 1.1 if possible.
>>95880513 (OP)yo most of your HH links are down
>>95881046Good news, my main army is Alphas.
>>95882161MegaAnon addressed that in this thread.
He got James'd.
>>95880749First child syndrome.
Hope I didn't go overboard with the sponging
>>95882224reminds me I need to test my WE scheme, I plan on makeup spongeing white over a pic related primer, and also doing the blue the same.
working on 25 tacticals and 10 dark furies currently.
Been great to see many XIX bros in recent threads
>>95882251forgor the pic, what a dumbass
>>95882203Maybe Mega anon should leave the megas down for a while until after the new edition is out, and GW has calmed down again.
>>95880897you paint /yourdudes/ so you can be whatever you want.
New edition I'm planning a coalition of White Scars and Space Wolves with a big lean into the spiritual aspect of them. Stormseer and his Dark Sons of Death form the wind, Caster of Runes with the Deathsworn pack form the ice on the ground. The idea is a watch pack were sent pre Nikea to a Brotherhood to check out the weathermakers and report back. Both psykers know what the other is and neither really trusts the other, but they respect that the other is polite enough to pretend they're just shamans to everyone else.
They weren't at Prospero or Chondax, they don't know who is lying, they can't contact either legion and they both fear that their legions will be on opposite sides of the conflict. They may end up as Blackshields by the end
>>95881230Stoner Doom White Scars guy! You've got some of the most inspirational legion conversions out there chief, keep up the good work
I've got some saturnine prints that I want to put to use but I'm not sure I can make the scale work compared to the new retard-huge ones. Think a tall base and some back banners will work or are they way off?
>>95882505I didn't think it was possible but this somehow looks worse than that one that other retarded anon keeps posting.
>>95882505full dipey uh oh
>>95881572All of that depends on the area/group you play with. The group I play with has some brokies in it, we don't really care if they bring some primaris marines to represent heresy marines.
>TQ
Absolutely. The Horus Heresy has given me the best tabletop gaming experiences out of all the others. I've been playing tabletop wargames for 21 years now and the Heresy years have been the best.
>>95880897Mechanicum because:
>Paint hardly any models, or lots of models, your choice >models big>make deranged conversions>le big robot>give them the clamps
>>95880897You get unique units and HQs from everything you like and keep basic units as generic ones, so you can always change based on your mood
>>95881572A lot of meme answers but it will be a mixed bag. Many play for the historical aspect. Im sure there are players willing to play an physically old army for the nostalgia of it and call it a scouring era force. But I would bet most want an accurate experience.
Rhinos are popular.
The Primaris minis aren't going to fly anywhere, sorry Anon. Maybe the Castellan because it's just a scaled up old art boy.
>>95880897With the new FOC you can just do all of them, apparently
So go for it
>>95881426>Removing skulls and flayed skins from NL to make them loyalistThat's retarded,they had that since the beginning of the legion
I have a loyalist Word Bearers band and I found it be sufficient if I gave them great crusade colours and covered the demon symbols with scrolls and I think the result is fine, as that's what Great Crusade WB did look like
>>95882718how'd you make his belt with the flame instead of the demon skull? looks cool
>>95882718>loyalist word bearers
>>95882743It's actually a set for WB Tartaros from Damsa, he's underground now but you can find his files in one of the telegram groups
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/cdhwm3am/saturnine-terminators-kit-focus/
Details on the saturnine kits. No right-hand fists, no other weapons.
>>95881882your birth was a mistake.
astelan was a traitor to the imperium but still loyal to the emperor and felt the lion betrayed him.
not my fault you're retarded
>>95882775I hate to say it but I kinda dig the big axe the variant praetor has. The default model looks like a sigmarine, but that big guilottine looking thing has me at half mast.
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>>95882775how the fuck do those plasma cannons have barrage
they don't look they can incline more than 5 degrees
>>95882795Sure, and I like a few of the heads. There's very few kits with no go parts whatsoever.
I'd be more excited about 3d modellers getting downscaled versions of that axe for PA/TDA more than the praetor itself.
>>95882802They look like little versions of what the thanatar has. Maybe the marine leans backwards?
>>95882775>praetor's tactical rock is optionalthat's neat.
>>95882805>and I like a few of the headsThe xylon looking one is neat.
I wonder if you can assemble the kit without the retarded shoulder-pads, maybe find an alternative.
Why wasnt this the model they used to show off the praetor, looks so much better.
>>95882758Is there a problem?
>>95882775>No right-hand fists>and six disruption fists
>>95882775Saturnine feel kinda shockingly barebones for some reason. No chainfists or other forms of heavy weapons like volkite or autocannons? The praetor gets a choice of....One must take plasma blaster and a choice between a big axe or a big hammer? Maybe they're just keeping their lips sealed and the libers will have more weapon variants that will come out later or something but just feels very underwhelming.
>>95882828In a box of six, yes. Do the maths.
>>95882775unless I missed it aren't there only 4 disintegrators on these sprues, unless the weapon sprue is doubled.
>>95882829>One must take plasma blaster and a choice between a big axe or a big hammer?Its possible this is just "whats in the box", but you can take normal equipment that just isnt modeled (you have to convert). But being locked to a plasma blaster is weird, makes this like the first marine model with just no option for bolt weaponry.
>>95882822Hell yeah. He will add nicely to my Terran XIXth.
>>95882802Barrage on anything other than dedicate artillery is a mistake.
>>95882838I assume that's not all the sprues, only 4 shoulder pads there for instance
>>95882826>long nails>cait hair everywhere>place is a fucking messbro, no wonder you attempt to play loyalist word bearers
>>95882826And my Contemptor
I might draw some more sigils on him, but I am not sure,I kind of like the clean look
>>95880897It helps to be a straight male who is capable of making a choice and sticking with it. Nu males, fags, trannys have an issue doing this.
>>95882838My guess is that there's 2 on that sprue, and you get three of each. Count the shoulders, that sprue make 2 of the 6 dudes.
>>95882848Where exactly do you see cat hair
>>95882775>Barrage plasma weapons>You bitched about Fulmentarus>Now get ready for the same thing but on T6 3W models with probably 50% more range
>>95882863Difference is they didn't have models to sell for Fulmentarii
>>95882848Why don't you post your models and workspace then?
>>95882775Why the fuck do they like couch padding so much?
>>95882775>GW wiping sweat from their brow>"Good thing leakeranon didn't post the saturnine sprues, we wouldn't have content this week."
>>95882852>>95882846ah yeah weapons in two halves, but still presumably that means the separate retail box will come with 6 unless they halve a sprue.
>>95882822Saturnine looks much better with a loincloth
>>95882775>>95882877>GW retard designer 1: Oh no! People are guaranteed to think the chest eagles look like shit. What do we do about it?>GW retard designer 2: Separate them into different bits so it's harder to fill them off
>>95882630That's some nice looking armies!
>>95882877Salamanders are artisans
If it was Iron Hands making them,it would like a brick with guns,both inside and outside.
>>95882822>No double melee options for regular saturnine terminators.Skipping the new box
0 fucks
They also look fucking stupid.
>>95882899Victorian furniture is not the style of Salamanders
>>95882899As any true weapon should look.
>>95882887>Praetor doesn't have an Eagle>No options for different chest piece for regularsWhy
>>95882886also why the fuck did they never add the shoulder tassles in bottom left, here's hoping people sell the empty praetor sprues off and you can pick these up for every model.
>>95882901I dont mind no double melee, especially since their role does seem to be "the shooty terminators", but it IS a bit weird that there isnt a melee variant. Maybe not even double melee, imagine if they had two handed axes and hammers like the praetor.
>>95882905You've never been on Nocturne,you don't know that!
>squad size 3-6
5 man squad autists rejoice
>>95882925For the low low price of 450 points.
>>95882775>Tanks and dreadnoughts bewareI'm sorry, what?
The base disintegrator is S4. What the fuck do you mean tanks and dreadnoughts beware?
>>95882940We don't have stats on the bigger ones, I guess.
>>95882886They look retarded without a belt
They did the same thing with aggressors in 40k and fixed it later on other units
You'd think they would have learnt their lesson
>Plasma artillery fire raining down from a marching brick of Saturnine termies
>Firing line of heavy support marines direct-firing plasma cannons into the enemy
Which is more kino bros
>>958829402 shots S6 AP2 D3 armorbane
>>95882802Why is a non-line-of-sight artillery style weapon + close combat weapon the default? This is schizo
>>95882915Victorian cushions are too flammable for Nocturne
>>95882953Unless the heavy version has double the strength, which would be really stupid, I don't see them being a threat to either desu
>>95882964Aschually they're made from drake leather and thus resistant to fire.
>>95882940Bigger ones might be S7 or whatever.
>>95882961Seems believable. Maybe not Ap2 though if the regular variant is just AP3, maybe Ap3 breaching 5+ or whatever.
>>95882775>squads of 3I hate 40k, I hate 40k, I hate 40k
>>95882940It would not surprise me at all if disintegrators are actually S7 and the prior article was just the intern being retarded as usual.
The S4 numbers were absolutely abysmal
Barely better than a bolter against other marines and definitely not something you can use against saturnine with T6, dreads or vehicles
If they are actually S7 it'd make a lot more sense as a single shot weapon with the overcharge disadvantage
>>95882980> Thallax> Old command squads> BikesThe fuck is your problem schizo
>>95882974>withering hail of high-Strength shots with amazing AP. S8 and AP2 at least
>>95882775>Particle shrederWe are using Necron guns in heresy now?
>>95882980Don't let 40k live in your head rent-free you schizo.
>>95882961>>95882974>>95882998Honestly what if it's something like S5 AP3 D2 with Ordnance (S)
>>95883018Ordnance was the one that doubled the stat right
>>95883012there are lore tidbits and fan canons that mechanicum fucked with necron tech mistaking it for STCs
>>95883018I think a rule that double the S of the weapon by just not moving is fucking retarded
So that's probably it
What do you guys think decurions will do now that tanks can natively react?
I think they'll turn whatever tank they're on into a command slot along with maybe a BS bonus
>>95883067They could always react, what are you on about?
They still have the defensive weapon restriction
>>95882775They look a little better when the paintjob isn't shit
but still butt ugly
>>95883080> When the paint job isn't shitPic unrelated? That's fucking embarrassing
>>95883080>Miss-matched sizes and spacing of all rivets across the padsAnd I thought I hated these enough already
>>95883073Tanks can now react with alll weapons natively
>>95883173I like it. Could use the shoulder-pads being a bit smaller imo but theres a vibe there.
>>95882822Shouldn't Iron Halo imply regular saturnine only have 5++?
>>95882957>>Firing line of heavy support marines direct-firing plasma cannons into the enemyBy a mile.
>>95883135Defensive weapons are still a thing
>>95882986Reminder thatvtgey are going down to squads of 2
>>95883187Idk man, guess we will see tomorrow.
Worth noting that its not like tartaros praetors get iron haloes.
>>95883187In the box rules leaker anon showed they have a 4++, tho those are not exactly reliable
>>95883187I'm 99% certain there's a Cataphractii with an iron halo. They should though
>>95883202>>95883206>>95883207That makes it even more confusing...
>>95883187you are mixing up refractor fields and iron halos my boy
>>95883212it isn't an iron halo, there sorted.
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>>95883217never mind i misread your post
>>95883080Wouldn't this be the equivalent of latrine duty for White Scars? "Plod allong at a snail's pace while firing artillery"
>>95883173Such an improvement.
>>95883234Anon they have HSS and shit. Besides, those guys can teleport.
>>95883244Is there anything faster than teleporting right to where you need to be?
>WS saturnine teleports behind you>Nothing personell, traitor
>>95883245>they have HSS and shitYeah like he said, latrine duty
>>95883234Yes. This guy has fucked up severely at some point or is a supreme good samaritan in the legion
>>95883202Tartaros Praetors should have Iron Haloes though. In 7E 40k, Cataphractii's natural 4++ would overlap with iron halo's own 4++ and grant rerollable 1s 4++. It was fluffy
>>95883253Teleporting is the opposite of moving fast
You do it to not have to move fast
>>95883253>splats you with D3 disruption fist (confirmed unit wide btw)
>>95883272>getting into the thick of action in 0.01 of a second is the opposite of moving fast
>>95883274Point blank plasma volley as you charge in with your fist
>>95883274I wonder what the particle shredder will be, but I'm otherwise fine with disruptor fists being D3 power fists.
They key is they aren't +5 pts upgrades to regular power fists.
>>95882849Cool head.
Where did you get it from?
>>95883245Just because they have them, doesn't mean they enjoy being part of one
Besides, why is everyone forgetting about Spatha Attack Bike? Or Kyzagan or Sky Hunters, White scars do have heavy weapon options that are fast
>>95883198Yes but so far only on the intercept reaction, not the Return fire or Overwatch (I also suspect tanks will treat defensive weapons as volley weapons)
So I doubt that it's going to be the only utility on decurions
>>95883312During the Great Crusade/HH the WS still received recruits from other astartes training facilities besides Chogoris. Those marines often had much less issue with not moving fast, and carrying a big gun.
TLDR: just because most WS love going fast doesn't mean all WS do.
>>95883332#NotAllWhiteScars
>>95883274>S7 I1enjoy being cunted by chainsword blobs I guess
>>95883206strongly suspect they're going to have ranged 4++ and worse for melee just because the naming of the shield type is different - otherwise they'd just be Cata by a different name with improved stats
>>95882998ID is gone, S8 doesn't mean anything; you use special rules to make them more dangerous to vehicles, and D to make them more dangerous to infantry
>>95883274Okay, so you have Ws4 dudes with what, 3 attacks each, in a unit of 3, with what will almost always functionally be a power fist? Damn, how scary.
>>95883274I feel like the fists are there to fight Dreads (if you can hit), Vehicles or other saturnine, as opposed to anything else
>>95883363They're heavily armoured with a ton of wounds, and by the look of things can deep strike
>>95883356>otherwise they'd just be Cata by a different name with improved statsEverything is a cata with different stats anon
They only have the invulnerable in common
>>95882980"Squads of Saturnine Terminators can be anything from three to six models in size"
These guys are going to be immune to overcharge or some bullshit like that, aren't they?
I hope with the Flamer improvements hand flamers can be 5pts each so I can put them on these two centurions I'm building without going insane over the 1 missing point.
>>95882826On the one hand, fuck the Catholic molester-legion, on the other hand, you probably upset Lorgar and Erebus by existing so...
Anyone have the leaked statline for the saturnine terminators from the easy to build kit? I dont remember some details.
>>95883402Sure, but they seem to be bad in melee. Or I guess more accurately "I expect them to lose in melee engagements with other terminator units".
>>95883462Three wounds, T5, I think a 4++,, WS and BS 4.
I think the strength from the weapon was integrated into the profile, because they were like S5 or S6 and the Praetor stats were only S4
>>958834023W base, 6W for the Praetor
reading the WarCom article and the "ninth moon" thing has me stumped
they can't mean Titan - it's the largest moon and was the first discovered so is "ninth" by no measure; the ninth moon discovered (and ninth in size) was Phoebe but that would mean it's a female Mechanicum enclave eat shit losers Phoebe is an irregular rock (like Deimos!), the ninth (imaginary, as it turned out) moon of Saturn discovered was Chiron, but aside from being entirely imaginary, Chiron is named after a brony who was good at medicine
I know there's a reference and it's fucking maddening figuring it out
>>95883466What the fuck is up with sergeants being the same statline as normal legionairs?
Are veteran sgts going to be a buyable upgrade or something?
Paying for a power weapon for a 1A model seems kinda retarded
I am really looking forward to putting my centurions on the table as saturnine proxies, all I need now is 30k rules for my Skittles.
>>95883466never noticed before but the Saturnine Praetor is S4 and the Satties are S5
>>95883476Keep in mind that those are the greatly simplified profiles only meant to be used for quick introduction games with the new starter box. Like they don't even got the new leadership, cool, intelligence stats and so on, which we know for sure are part of the full rules.
>>95883476Its the quick play stats
>>95883476>What the fuck is up with sergeants being the same statline as normal legionairs?We know they arent from articles. I think this is just for quickstart rules.
>>95883476these are the quick-play profiles; the unit equipment is listed underneath each statline
>>95883488>>95883490>>95883492They are 1A in the full profile of the article. But they already have +1Ld so they are half way there to a veteran
Man I'm in the whack situation where I actually have way more HQs planned than I need, my entire planned army for 2.0 fits within 3 aux detachments and an apex detachment. All I need is the saturnine praetor, the box Centurion, and the terminator Librarian I already bought
>>95881595>>95881624Thanks for the replies, canโt add the others. Bout what I expected from here a half of kinda โfuck you and your nu marinesโ to other half โdepends on the people you play withโ. Figured that was the case and fair points all around.
I asked about color cause my guys are actually orange, not red-my camera just sucks.
Got no problem with Heresy Marines and itโs 2/3s of my army. Bayonet Bolters n all. The only other makeup is mk7s with only 2 true primies, cause Castellan doesnโt deserve that tag heโs just a big boy. Those are shame on me once, shame on GW the other cause they stopped putting โPrimarisโ on the title so I had no idea till I pulled it out. Iโm more a narrative loser than gaming so I had no plan to make it army viable till recently. Hell, thereโs no edition where I would be allowed to use my Death Company as is-theyโre Veteran Vanguards done up, half lightnin clawโd. Figured Iโd have to keep them out anyway, both narratively and points wise.
Good to know Rhinos are ok and 3k doesnโt sound bad at all. Cheers.
Ps these new termies look like complete ass. Same aesthetic sense as the 40k Centurion. Itโs jarringly infantile, especially since the rest of that box is mk3 gritty grills guys. I hope for all you long time players the rules donโt suck, because that thing sends out all the same red flags the Primaris did. Think Iโll be grabbing the dusty Age of Darkness box at my local store insteadโฆ.
>>95883572>More a narrative loser than gaming You mean narrative winner, good chunk of people who gave up on 40k, like myself, is because of all the competitive niggery that is modern 40k, don't be one bit ashamed.
As for colours,you use an orange that is very close to red and then you also have black, could have fooled me if you tried to say they're just generic BA,they mostly use bright red + black with gold ornaments
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Can't decide if i want to use Mk6 or wait for Mk2 to build some effrit with someone help me
I think I'm going to start an Iron Hands army with this new set and just start fresh. I'll see what leftover nu-shit I have to spare from my other army that has been rotting, such as my Spartan, and then go from there. Even with the taco tax, uncle Chang shouldn't be too bad to help fill in some gaps.
>>95883594AL stole early blueprints for Mk 6 and had been producing and using it before the HH even started. Some of the headhunter models have a helmet similar to Mk 6
>>95883594mkVI seems more obvious
>>95880513 (OP)>TQ I am currently painting kakaphoni
of course i am not enjoying myself
Im trusting the process hard here
So what kind of squad exactly would you even put a Saturnine praetor in? 5โ movement and Iโm assuming with no ability to run makes it a bit of a hard sell to lump with power armoured or tartaros units and even cataphractii are movement 6โ. Thereโs no way that plasma blaster is as long ranged as the other saturnine weapons, and those termieโs are only WS4. Are we gonna get some kind of Saturnine Command squad or is he just gonna get slapped with cataphractii and theyโll all have to walk at his speed
>>95883356>ID is goneAnd? "high-strength" implies that the strength value, which is numerical, is high. 1-7 aren't high.
>>95883683I feel stupid for asking cause Iโve seen that pic multiple times now and never once did I even connect the dots or infer anything from it
>>95883679>that animation
>>95881080>Ursh pattern extra armour
>>95883701>PM drone having the gall to call someone else a faggotSomething something stones in a glass house
>>95883701This is /tg/, so yeah everyone here is.
>>95882775Still no pictures of the fucking back of them fucksake GW.
>>95883679Id wager Saturnine have native deepstrike so I'll put mine with some Deliverers. The unit itself is going to my TS.
>>95883728If Deliverers survive!
>>95883727You've got the sprues now rotate the apple
>>95882911You'd spend less money getting some blustuff/oyumaru, making a pressmold, and stamping out your own copies with GS.
>>95883051>"""""""""""""""""""""""""mistaking"""""""""""""""""""""""""
>>95883473Maybe it's an Expanse reference? Been a while since I saw it(I really tried to read the books but the prose is dire) but IIRC Phoebe is where the goo first gets found and there's a secret science base there that eventually gets blown up to stop the Martian Navy from landing troops and finding out the truth.
>>95883701>>95883679>not linking the animation
>>95883051Worst fluff retcon in GW history frankly, completely ruins the whole thematic core of the faction if they're just
>lul ancient aliens mindraped them into doing itinstead of a commentary on the human urge to explain and categorise being just as likely to turn to dogmatism and blind belief as it is to scientific enquiry, especially in extreme situations, if we're not careful about it.
>Squads of Saturnine Terminators can be anything from three to six models in size
woops i have twenty of them now
enough for a deranged level of skew at least and the extra two can be the start of a command squad presuming they'll exist
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/mv2za3uy/saturnine-armour-the-lore/
So functionally identical to other patterns saturnine, somehow is you vs guy she tells you not to worry about.
It's bigger than other terminators, tougher than other terminators, have bigger guns than other terminators and it required Vulkan to work his ass off to even get it into production.
Jesus christ, all other armours are sidegrades Cataphractii that was distinct from other since day one had 4++ but wasn't able to run, while tartaros "the best one" was just indomitus that allowed sweeping because slightly more mobile, terminators were simlar height as marines because it was same dude with just heavier armour.
God I hate saturnine.
>>95883808>What do you mean DAoT humans learned new technologies from aliens and incorporated them into their own? Surely DAoT humans were as puritanical and dogmatic about the technology as the fanatics of the post-collapse Martian priesthood.Eldar laser technology is described as very similar to Imperial one, just more sophisticated.
>>95883871>tartaros "the best one" was just indomitus that allowed sweeping because slightly more mobileAnd even that was added in 1.0. In 6e and 7e rules both Indomitus and Tartaros (and Saturnine) fell into "Terminator Armour" category with only Cataphractii having its own rules.
>>95883890More like king garbage pffft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gpiq_DNWGo
Remember,if you don't like Saturnine or the dread,you can just not buy/use them
>>95883964Please, King Garbage was my father. Call me Asmongold.
They should make something for marines thatโs a middle ground for the average marine and a satruine.
>>95883996That's called a terminator Bill
>>95883979That's not enough. I don't want other people to use them either
>>95883736They will with how popular exemplary battle units are and 30k still being a collection based game. Also considering new units not having dedicated kits like the command and control instructing you to poach rapier crew, and official pics of saturnine praetors converted to a command squad, I'm not worried. If anything many of these units would be very easy to transfer over.
>>95884023I will be fielding a full squad of 6 saturnine terminators with two twin heavy disintegrators each for my Dark Angels, and there is nothing you can do to stop me.
>>95884032I'll be doing the same just in squads of 5 because my autism demands all foot soldiers be deployed in multiples of such
>>95884035Just swap the shoulders and guns.
>>95884047Hopefully there's saturnine centurions to enable just that
>>95882453awww shucks, appreciate you man. 3.0 looks groggy as fuck, and since grog rhymes with prog, I'm hitting that chogorian peyote again
>>95883996They should make something for custodes that is between saturnine and a dreadnought.
>>95883871they are ugly but i don't hate them as much as before because the article imply they are exosuits since marines have to "pilot" it.
>>95884035each one of these things I take gives me 2 free detachments?
>>95884146Do you think the marine's head sits inside the helmet, or is it just a head-shaped camera?
>>95884035Funny to think about how these were made in the transitional era before Primaris
>>95884035>Olympia-pattern Saturnine armour
>>95884146Between the GK babycarrier, 40k cunturions, those retarded SoB exosuits, and the primarshit titanfall rip-off, Saturnine is the best looking exo-suit GW has made yet. Which wasn't a high bar to clear, lol.
So, the current article confirmed Saturnine is an exo suit (you can see the leg pistons)...but they don't tell us where the actual marine legs sit inside the frame
>>95884032>two twin heavy disintegratorsOh shit watch out he's bringing the S4โS5 guns!
>>95884146Problem is this isn't saturnine exo suit but saturnine terminator armour.
They wanted 30k version of centurions but had no balls to make new stuff so they made pretend terminators.
i watched dredd with my little brother i'm so fckn giddy.
it is the ultimate arbites movie bar none
>>95884407Somewhere around here.
>>95884443I'm leaning towards it being a "pilot is curled up inside the torso" situation. Then again, they mention the pilots need to have a high cybertheurgy(sp?) resistance, so maybae it means they amputate all their limbs and replace them with USB ports
What are the chances my new army(Militia) gets squatted before I can even finish building it anons? Be honest.
>>95884496Probably none. Not even the new armor marks for marines make it so you can't use your old models. They still have resin upgrades for old units.
>>95884496100%
Just start making it as SA with Penal Cohort like I did.
>>95884496Almost guaranteed, fellow militia bro. RIP. Such is life in the militia.
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>>95884480I'm leaning towards someone at GW saw the original concept and said to make it bigger, like with the Dreadknight.
>>95882258What grey is that? They look good
>>95884554Wow you just fixed one of big problems with saturnine armour.
>>95884210That trim is the same color as the bolter barrel so I'm thinking it's silver not white.
>>95884210Look at Magnus' tiny hands
Has outer circle totally shat his pants and burned his army already? If so was it a good watch?
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>thanatar-cavas loses barrage on the plasma mortar because quite frankly, that shit was overpowered, especially with plasma wave
>lol lets give it to the saturnine terminators though
thanatar better have barrage again or I swear to fucking god
>>95884407>>95884443>>95884480the legs are ball-jointed at the hips as models but either the head is way lower down than the exterior helmet or there's nothing in the legs; they couldn't fit internally and perform even this modest pose if the head is where the helmet is; likewise the arms can't include the arms of the pilot if the head is where the helmet is, but just as the fingers of a space marine can't possibly be inside the fingers of a terminator's power fist, that doesn't really mean much
I think what's being missed in these discussions is that Terminators of all types are tactical dreadnought armour - these guys are mini-dreadnoughts who just happen to be further down the dreadnought route than most terminators
with 40k Centurions we know where the legs are really positioned and that it's a step-in mecha upgrade to power armour, but necessarily the pilot's arms aren't inside the Centurion suit's arms and may be simply folded in front of him like a genie; but Centurion legs also have a huge fire-trap when they bend their knees for walking (implied on most but visible on one of them), and the angles are not quite right for Fatties to be able to fit an unbroken leg in to have the pilot's knees at the suit's hips, particularly considering the range of motion necessary to raise the suit's thighs under those conditions
they're Silent Running it guys
>>95884407Nope, it said that terminator suits were based on exo suit tech.
>>95884662We use ball joints in real life suits.
>>95884554Nah, the limbs are clearly supposed to be artificial. His arm would have to be inside the plasma gun
>>95884662>the legs are ball-jointed at the hips
If you kept the helmet out and replaced it with an AI dome it would probably look better.
>>95884727The arms are also connected to the torso much lower. All fixable details.
>>95884701article said that marines have to pilot it.
>>95884718That man is clearly a quadruple amputee and/or curled inside the chest
what do (You) suppose the initialmost saturnine template was actually designed towards the ends of?
is this the pattern in particular that had its basis in live plasma reactor maintenance, given that as best i understand the wording around indomitus suits in the legacies PDF pretty explicitly much says they're a product of the heresy?
>>95884853I think the original designs were 90% of what we have here, Vulkan just figured out how to mass produce them. Probably through new alloys, maybe some reshapedcomponents for ease of manufacture.
As for their purpose, I imagine these are the true tactical dreads. Meaning big fuckoff mechsuit without needing a readily available cripple. "Normal" termies are much closer to heavy boarding suits than actual dreads
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>>95884853Nobody fucking knows, not even the people writing this shit.
>>95884701Exo-suits mixed with power armor.
>>95884853Probably for plasma reactors. In built teleporting makes sense to go inside active reactors. Needing to open an access door must require time and safety protocols. Bypassing then while the reactor is live would affect any sort of stasis field. If you can teleport in you access the deeper parts and perform ongoing or emergency maintenance on the fly.
>>95885011>marines had terminator armour before MkII>in a time when interstellar travel was nigh impossible, there was enough exo-suits designed for interstellar travel around to weaponize on Terra
>>95885038Don't think it's ever said to be a live reactor, just that there's high pressure (and probably still heat and other hazards) inside the reactors even when shut down. And we have ways of getting inside active nuclear reactors without having to open up the whole thing, so a hatch into a plasma reactor doesn't seem out of the question either.
>>95884659That's not how it works, militia and thralls lost access to fearless but blackshields can do that shit army-wide.
>>95885058>retard forgot about the entire 20k years of interstellar travel before 30k that necessitated exo suits
>>95885058STCs from the DAoT. Power Armor alone uses dozens of STC patterns, it's not unreasonable Mars had Exo Suit STCs that were combined with power armor STCs to make Saturnine Terminator suits.
>>95885090The article today said "reactor leaks" so the exo suit side of things was likely a self contained hazardous environment suit they slapped armour plates on top of.
>>95885345>retard thinks Terra maintained now useless suits for interstellar travel for thousands of years during the Age of Strife>>95885362STCs were for colonies that has no access to the industrial base and knowledge of the core worlds. Why would there be STCs on Mars and Terra?
>>95885395Holy fucking shit anon, are you new or just a complete and utter fucking retard? Where do you think a lot of STCs were made? Never heard of the countless expeditions into ancient vaults beneath the martian surface in an effort to recover STCs, with one of the most famous techno-archaeologists venturing there being Arkan Land? Or are you trolling?
>>95885038It made ever more sense if you consider that OG marines rarely used drop ships because it was for pesants and marines mostly just teleported everywhere, including from monastery to ships and from ships to combat.
Later teleportarium got fluff that it's dangerous to use etc.
Imagine being downgraded from teleporting anywhere to having one way ticket to ground in form of drop pod.
>>95885395>why would Mars and Terra have STCsDid you think where those STCs originally came from? Why would you not keep back ups to make your copies from to give to your colonies?
>>95885414No, I'm pretty sure he's just that fucking stupid.
>>95885414Point is, why would all technology from Mars and Terra be limited to just STCs, rather than all the wealth of knowledge that they had? The technology on Terra and Mars was not built using an STC, the STC a wikipedia of human knowledge given to colonists venturing out with limited resources while the true wealth of knowledge if housed at the core worlds. You don't eat MREs at home where you have a kitchen and stores to buy food from.
>>95882775>no chest without the eagle>sons of horus and night lords will have the fucking imperialis on their saturnines
>>95885090>live reactorI'm not saying to has to be, just that teleporting in while on makes sense if needed.
>>95885485well the emprah has a load of shit like that locked up in his basement and the mechanicum has a load of shit locked up in their basement, half of it is daemonically possessed, half of what's left is skynet and the the last quarter is all the shit you see on the tabletop
>>95885320Thralls lost fearless because they have 12 cool now,so you need at the very least Fear 1 to bring it to 11 and then they have to roll a 12. They effectively have fearless
>>95885516Aquila. Imperialis is the winged skull.
>>95885540that's a lion quote not a girlyman quote
>>95883401That doesn't mean shit, in LI you can only run tactical marines in groups of 20+.
>>95885485>You don't eat MREs at home where you have a kitchen and stores to buy food from.do you just not have youtube in your country
>>95885516>He can't differentiate between saturnine eagle and Imperial Eagle
>>95885548>guilliman>stealing other people's ideasPerish the thought!
>>95884659Barrage continues to be a mistake outside artillery emplacements.
Was barrage in the leaks? Is it just indirect?
>>95885058custodes already had power armors, article says those suits were tested on the final battles of the Sol System and mark II is supposed to be put in production after the main planets from Sol were conquered.
Now that i think about it what did the first marines used in Luna and the rest of the planes? Thunder armor? some kind nameless power armor.
>>95884718>>95884737mm-hmm
now imagine your head is where his head is and your knee is in the suit's hip, and try to bend your knee the way his hip is bending
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>>95885540>>95885516It's the Saturnine Aquila specifically. Different meaning.
>>95885570Early variants of Mk II were used, as Mk I Thunder armour had no void capability.
>Vulkan sought to unlock Saturnineโs secrets to enable full-scale production of this vaunted armour. Where no-one else had succeeded, the master artificer triumphed โ and by his hand, the secrets of manufacturing his masterwork was provided to his brother Primarchs. Unbeknownst to him, however, Horusโs betrayal was already in motion, and it is a tragic fact that the first major deployment of Saturnine armour was on the black sands of Isstvan V, in the battle that shattered the Salamanders.
Weird how I never noticed all the Saturnine at the Dropsite.
>>95884554That happened with the Dreadnight? That's retarded. The Dreadnight is retarded.
>>95885584Yeah strange how this potent weapon of war whise value would surely have started several conflicts was never mentioned in BL's overextended slopfest of a book series
>>95885537Thralls lost fearless in 2.0 anon. They certainly didn't have anything close to it after they lost it and in one of the militia or daemon article they wrote it was because hordes of fearless blobs weren't fun for anyone involved, then after that blackshields came out and had one of their oaths giving fearless to every marine.
>>95885584>>95885591Is this your first time experiencing GW doing retcon or something?
They retconned what MK5 was twice already in the past 10 years
>>95885599>They certainly didn't have anything close to it after they lost it and in one of the militia or daemon article they wrote it was because hordes of fearless blobs weren't fun for anyone involvedThat's not true. It's just pissbaby Astartes players who were like "Waaah he tarpitted my dreadnought that shouldn't be allowed it should be illegal to outplay me by having basic game knowledge."
>>95885599Thought you were talking about 3.0 change. Oops
>>95885591>>95885584Same thing happened with 40k Centurions and their tiny flyer. Just got shoehorned in.
>>95885604Enough of this shit. HH is a marines vs. marines game, 2000 points of other factions shouldn't be competitive with 2000 points of Astartes, the whole point is they're super-soldiers. Where in the books do non-Astartes beat Astartes?
>>95885570>custodes already had power armorsAnd TW and Marines had MkI power armour.
>article says those suits were tested on the final battles of the Sol System and mark II is supposed to be put in production after the main planets from Sol were conquered.It says that they were put into service during the later Unification Wars and the official timeline still says that with the end of the Unification Wars, the Emperor had control of Terra with the treaty of Olympus Mons being after that. And some 60 years after that, the Crusade began with Sol under the Emperor's control. So go figure.
>Now that i think about it what did the first marines used in Luna and the rest of the planes? Thunder armor? some kind nameless power armor.Considering the MkI is more just a a cuirass with arms, maybe you can fit it over a space suit? Or Luna just had (enough of) an atmosphere to fight without a void suit.
>>95885601There's a difference between something existing that gets changed (mk5/mk6) and something new that gets called the super-duper weapon that practically defined the Heresy.
>inb4 but Saturnine is referenced in FW/2.0!Saturnine in FW rules was identical to Indomitus, not some weird devastator termie.
>>95885626Yeah where all the humans died and the Imperial Fists outlasted the Iron Warriors? Good job.
>>95885624>put into service during the later Unification WarsThe article context makes it pretty obvious that this means "the unification of the solar system", and not the unification of earth. They were discovered by some shady cult on fucking saturn anon.
>>95885627I hardly think Saturnine armour was something that defined Heresy
>>95885604That's the reason warcom had. I never took R.A. and barely had problems with the other players considering thralls were the only thing scoring in my army but I know they were pretty hard to shift and have heard the stories of the things tying up and killing certain primarchs.
>>95885620Martian Civil war
>>95885620>Where in the books do non-Astartes beat Astartes?every time the emperor's favoured children show up
>>95885564>>95885576Question is, do your troops know the difference before opening fire on what they suspect to be loyalist scum or ignore traitors they mistaken for friendlies?
>>95885627>n that practically defined the Heresy.Anon what makes you think nu-saturnine defined the heresy? You may as well say the kratos tank defined the heresy, because they fulfill essentially the same role.
Theyre a powerful top of the line piece of gear which is rare due to production difficulties and which will subsequently be made lost technology during the war due to said difficulties. Vulcan made a couple crates of suits, gave them out to people and then he proceeded to get curbstomped at istvann and they stopped making more.
>>95885658Isn't that what legion colours are for?
>>95885620>thinking 2000pts of marines should be objectively better than 2000pts of any other armyimagine missing the point of a point system this hard
>>95885570MkII - there's at least one War Hound (Betrayal p93) equipped with it during the Cerberus Suppression, which was a void/zone mortalis engagement; the page notes that the XIIth were among the first to be fully equipped with MkII; there's an IF on p66 of Extermination whose armour bears significant heraldry from the Unification Wars (and was potentially issued toward the end). But the XIIth didn't participate in the Luna engagement while the VIIth did, and they're described on p81 of Betrayal as "clad in suit-sealed armour"
so to answer your question, at least as early as 703.M30, there was MkII
>>95885672>IW encountering UM on the battlefieldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nouLQZCXW4A
>>95885697I can't believe this meme already existed this early...
>>95885712I'm surprised there isn't a term for one guy in a piece of artwork looking back at the viewer.
>>95885576Yeah, if we go with the normal aquila looking to the past and future the Saturnine one only looks to the future. It'd explain why there was some issue between Mars and the people sent to Saturn.
>>95885742The more things change, the more they stay the same it seems. Top kek.
>>95885669Like I just dot get it, they literally state that this shit proved so difficult to manufacture that it would have been entirely forgotten if not for vulcan finding a way to make it remotely usable right before the war broke out. And on top of being the terminator equivalent of those US stealth bombers this shit requires very specialized pilots. How is this some major new element which would have defined the war? Rather than just yet another rare superweapon the imperium will expend its entire stockpile of during the rebellion (like volkite weapons, phosphex, sicarans, the kratos tank, leviathans, deredeos and so on)?
Haven't been keeping up with the previews, do we know anything about the big dread?
>>95885781Theyre fucking massive and have big guns. Also a centurion with a combi-melta is enough to take one out in a fight going by the trailer.
If you want more details, wait till the end of the week
>>95885781It's big, and is programmed to rape traitors
>>95885781they're too big I don't like them
why are leviathans called leviathans when there was a bigger dread this whole time
i never even liked leviathans desu
were lascannon predators simply stumbled upon again in the context of 40k whereas they were present outright during the heresy?
>>95885808Bigness asides, they also kind of just steal the leviathans "thing".
The leviathan is the big heavy dread, slow, tanky, big guns. Whats the saturnine going to do different? Movement 4? Toughness 9?
>>95885814Old lore no, new lore yes.
>>95885814Whatever bullshit GW likes to pull out of their ass to justify making their toys.
>>95885639Read Rise of the Dark Mechanicum. The only reason they traitors stood a chance was because there was Alpha Legion already on Mars. Even then, the Imperial Fists raided them and succeeded in their mission (to secure Mk VII power armor and personnel like Arkhan Land.). I don't play LIgma but there's lore youtubers who summarize it, you can get it there.
>>95885584So you are telling me there was this super secret super terminator armour, that despite being super old and dating back to earliest days of crusade was only issued when heresy started?
Wow it's like if GW suddenly made super secret titan that was bigger than other titans but also was super secret that nobody knew about until heresy started and it was turned against imperial and traitor forces.
If such things existed I'm sure it would be handy during Rangada.
>>95885656Well obviously, since Custodes are to Space Marines as Space Marines are to normal humans. That's the army I play anyway.
>>95885680The point system is only useful if it represents the narrative. The narrative is going to be marines triumphing over other armies; have you read the books, secondary?
>>95885814They retconned them in for second edition.
When the annihilator came out the story was that the Space Wolves Long Fangs randomly stuck their lascannons on top of a predator to defeat the Iron Warriors and then the tech priests looked at it and went "hey this was actually always allowed".
In HH they just added them.
>>95885829>that despite being super old and dating back to earliest days of crusade was only issued when heresy started?No, the saturnine armor saw use long before that, it was just phased out because it was impractical as standard equipment.
>While Saturnine Terminators saw extensive action in the early battles of the Great Crusade, it was so difficult to manufacture that it was quickly supplanted by other patterns. This likely would have been the end of the story for Saturnine armour, were it not for Vulkan, Primarch of the XVIII Legion. Vulkan simply found a way to make some more
>Vulkan sought to unlock Saturnineโs secrets to enable full-scale production of this vaunted armour. Where no-one else had succeeded, the master artificer triumphed โ and by his hand, the secrets of manufacturing his masterwork was provided to his brother Primarchs.
>>95885863We need more SW tank conversions.
>>95885814So you see space wolves, first founding chapter one of those that alongside second founding still have equipment from crusade, direct records, traditions dating back to crusade and in case of wolves venerable dreadnought who was alive and remembers crusade and heresy, somehow didn't have lascannon predator, well none of them had, so while space wolves needed anti tank firepower they duck taped lascannons to predator tank, it was effective so they started doing it factory and not with duck tape, other chapters liked this new idea and soon followed by producing their own lascannon predators. Mechanicus wasn't happy because there was no lascannon predator in registry, they had some super obscure superheavy tanks they no longer could produce, some one off vehicles but not predator with autocannon swapped for lascannon and were super salty that wollves did unsantioned field modification that was not following sacred guidelines. After some centuries some magos finally found evidence that maybe possibly dark age of technology predator STC had possibility to mount lascannons, so Mechanicus dropped the issue.
Now it turns out that marines extensivly used lascannon predators during great crusade and horus heresy, it was easy solution really, just take common predator tank and mount lascannon on it, but somehow technology such as this was lost technology after heresy despite marines still having lascannons and predator tanks unlike fellblades, sicarian, volkites etc that requires specialised manufacturing instead of kitbashing 2 compatible things.
>>95885829It wasn't super secret. The Legions just had largely stopped using it because it was available in too few numbers and thus not useful to them when other more easily mass produced versions were more available. Vulcan apparently backwards engineered the tech though and figured out how to mass produce it and gifted a bunch to all the legions because he was being a bro, then the Heresy happened.
Like sure it's being crammed in a bit having it handed out right before the Heresy starts but it fits into the setting just fine honestly.
>>95885905I miss when lascannons were secondary weapons on tanks, main weapons for transports, and modifications when nothing better was available (like LR Annihilators being used when Vanquisher cannons couldn't be sourced).
>>95882775>Super rare valuable armour piloted bt equally valuable best of the best elite vets>Both of its weapons canexplode and destroy the armour and kill the marineSurely a heavy bolter or a Lascanon would be better
>>95885969Considering the article talks about reactor leaks, if anyone can survive plasma overheating it's probably someone in a Terminator suit.
I don't care for the models, but I will be putting him in charge of a despoiler squad because it amuses me.
>>95885969>AP3>AP4 breaching 4+:^)
>>95885963Why would a lascannon NOT be the main armament of a tank, it's like one of the premier anti-tank weapons of the setting.
>but muh space wolves...Don't care. Retarded fluff and a logical retcon. If we can have predators armed with conversion beamers and shit as their main armament then why not a lascannon? Especially since Las weaponry is generally one of the most reliable and widespread classes of weapon in the setting. And don't tell me it's a 'secondary weapon' or some shit.
>>95886006>DominatusHmmmmmmm...
>>95886006Sculpt a butcher's apron on that lad and you've got an amazing character
>>95886025Best paired with his second-in-command, "Submissivus"
got any good heavy weapons stls recommandations anons ?
>>95886010I'm not talking about rules, fluff wise a weapon blowing up will damage the armour and likely kill the marine, doubly so because the marine has his hands inside the guns
>>95886019>If we can have predators armed with conversion beamers and shit as their main armament then why not a lascannon?Because you have the conversion beamer. And Neutron laser. And battle cannons and vanquisher cannons for Russes and Malcadors. I'm sure you can out a 30mm Bushmaster into an Abrams, but why?
>>95885963If we are talking about marines then lascannon wasn't secondary tank weapon but primary one.
Heaviest weapon mounted on marine tanks was either heavy 2 s7 ap4 autocannon or heavy 1 s9 ap2 lascannon.
>>95886019>it's like one of the premier anti-tank weapons of the settingIt's infantry weapon that is used by power armoured warriors while hold in hands, or by 2 guardsmen from tripod just like heavy stubber. Not something that you would consider main weapon of tank
>>95886068>lascannon wasn't secondary tank weapon but primary one.As a "modifications when nothing better was available".
Leaker anon plz come back
>>95886084Other option was autocannon, even worse than lascannon because it was only single barrel instead of twin linked.
>>95885611at least those examples and saturnine has minimum lore and fluff, unlike most 40k stuff past 8th edition.
>>95886100>rapid fire tank cannon>vs.>two shoulder fired anti-tank guns
>>95886006Is that a character or do they have a fuck ton of customization
>>95886145They have a ton of customization. You can have axe or hammer (two heads), you can have tactical rock or just walking forward, and also some gubbins around the torso can be changed
>>95886134BEHOLD rapid fire tank cannon on tripod carried and used by 2 guardsmen
>heavy 2 s7 ap4 (no blast)
>>95882822>>95882841>holes on the axe bladeIs that some fucking shotgun axe?
>>95886182...You know what? It might be? Could also be for fire like your pic, or maybe they're tiny rocket engines to pull the axe out of whatever it's stuck on
>>95886190>Could also be for fire like your picThat fire is the muzzle flash of a shotgun cartridge detonated in the cylinder behind the blade (and vented around the shaft inside the 3D printed blade).
>>95886114Centurions and Storm Talons did not exist until GW made the kits. At least Saturnine armor has existed in the lore for decades.
>>95886006I fucking hate this. It can't swing that axe. It can barely raise its arm to swing and the axe's pole is gonna get in the way of the ground. What's it gonna do push the blade into someone like a knuckleduster?
>>95886203Where do the pellets go? And why does it look like there's a rubber band holding the mechanism together?
>>95886218https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_luBh6eFANU
>Where do the pellets go?It's a blank.
>And why does it look like there's a rubber band holding the mechanism together?It's the firing pin spring.
>>95886190>spin to win axe Finally, the kind of goofy shit I play this game for
>>95886223I wonder what would happen if you hit a living thing with it. All that pressure straight into the wound probably ends up being warcrime-tier
>>95886444If someone can successfully run around a battlefield busting people up with a shotgun axe, I think he should be allowed to do so. Who's going to stop him? Everyone who tried is dead.
>>95886453the guy with the ERA shield obviously
>>95886461What if the axe blast is stronger than the ERA blast?
>>95886475nonsense. the shield is bigger therefore can fit bigger explosives
I will take 5 centurions and God help me I will find a way to fill 15 troop slots
>>95883080so even GW can't paint white with their own paint.
>>95883173oh god, I didn't realize at first... People at GW are drunk.
Sometimes I really hope they read the feedback here, instead of that brainwashed community area they have built.
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>>95883476The Force Org chart allows a prime slot to upgrade to Vets which increases stats or take a Master Sarge
