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>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: Do you still play your first commander? If not, why did you stop? (Not counting precons, of course)

>>95944535
>>95949133
He's better 1v1 than in a 4 player pod. Cruel is ass in multiplayer

>>95951593
LIS ANAL GAIB

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ
Nothing can ever make me part ways with the king of wheels.

>>95951386 (OP)
>Do you still play your first commander?
no
>If not, why did you stop?
my group never lets my cool demons survive even a single round and I don't want to play colorless shit with him

Single arrives in the mail this Friday, excited to make a deck around her. What am i in for?

>>95951805
>karona
>exciting
oof you're in for a rough time

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ
im honestly not even sure who my first commander was i want to say nemata or laquatus? i dont play either of them anymore either way though just because i got bored of them

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

Also posting goblin sex in this thread, too.

>>95952053
> 30 life
> not 32.451 life starting total

Tell me how I know you've never played a real game of magic in your life.

>>95951386 (OP)
>tq
Hell yeah I do. I held onto him during the $100+ days too, because fuck the faggots who turned this game into a stock market.

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ: Do you still play your first commander? If not, why did you stop? (Not counting precons, of course)

Not anymore. My first deck was a Muzzio artifact fishing deck. It had a pretty decent win rate, in that I was rarely seen as an early game thread so I would just quietly build up a boardstate and as long as I didn't get caught in the crossfire of someone else's spells I would largely get ignored until my tech came online/blightsteel collossus out of nowhere and the rest of the table went "Oh, right. Muzzio."

Its still intact and I could play it whenever, but I've made more decks since then and most of them have proved to just be more interesting to play. Muzzio is good at what he does, but it means churning through my deck for the same handful of cards every time, so it just gets repetitive.

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ: Do you still play your first commander? If not, why did you stop?
Oh, not at all. My first commander was a Grimgrin Zombie Tribal shitpile. I took it apart years ago to make better zombie decks.

>>95951717
Saved to my MtG folder. Thank you for contributing.

>>95952712
*Cumtributing

>>95952765
Jodah players perfectly encapsulated

How would you build him? Let your creativity flow

>>95952793
>How would you build him?
Duel Decks: Vivi Ornitier vs Black Waltz No. 3

>>95952793
Oops, All Cantrips

They should have came out with rules/an expansion for Archenemy: Commander alongside this set.

>>95952793
I think he's be a fun izzet equipment voltron deck

>>95952242
I need to rebuild my Edgar desu. I like Caesar better, but Edgar was still fun and I miss the variety. Gotta dig his cards out of like 3 other flop decks of mine though.

>No Zorn and Thorn card or partner cards
WE GOT FOUR CLOUDS WHAT IS THIS HORSESHIT

>>95952793
I wouldn't build a single card of him, I would toss this FIRE card into the trash. And that's what no one did.

>>95952940
Alphinaud and Alisaie have Partner With each other.
They suck hell though.

>Broodmoth on field
>Play Accursed Marauder
So I do the normal Marauder stuff everyone sac's something, but I can bring what I sac'd back (the Marauder) only for his edict ETB to go off again and make everyone sac two creatures in total?

>>95953008
Nothing seems to be erroneous.

>>95952793
I just stuffed mine in Mairsil since he already has the Quicksilver Elemental I got for a quarter a decade ago, fuck the haters

>>95953104
Would build in a fucking heartbeat holy fuck

>>95952940
Only three Clouds.
Cloud of Darkness is totally unrelated to the FF7 Cloud.

>>95953104
>waifus to make the waifufags happy
>goku to make minorityfags happy
>vehicles to make designteamfags happy
>7 dragon ball chase cards to make whalefags happy

It'd dwarf LOTR and FF. I'd be amazed if Hasbro wasn't begging for the opportunity.

>>95953471
Mono White Cloud
Boros Cloud
Naya Cloud
Najeela Cloud

>>95953514
>Najeela Cloud
Doesn't count

>>95953554
It's not a competition, there are 4 printings of cloud in the set and 0 of Zorn and Thorn, they could have just as easily given them a through the ages printing or just an actual card.

>TQ
I do sometimes but not very often, I built him super retarded and durdly

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ
Captain Sisay is more often the commander of the deck nowadays but Karametra still works well enough.

>>95952793
Pulled him along with the mono versions of Cloud and Sephy at the pre-release. Gave it to a friend who wanted to build him as they only ever build Izzet decks and has done a weird combo of >>95952862 and >>95952921
>Friend doesn’t attack with them all game until we’re the only two at the table left
>Know he has something planned so chuck everything I have in front of it
>Flashes in Embercleave, then casts Mizzix Mastery from the Borne Upon a Wind they’d done earlier in the turn
Credit where it’s due, it’s been at least 9 years since I’ve seen a Mizzix Mastery be played

>>95953499
Doesn’t DB have its own card pretty successful card game now? Hasbro would probably bend over backwards like they did for FF, but I don’t see Toei giving them the IP.

>>95953698
Maybe in Japan, haven't noticed anything big for DBZ over here. FF also had their own game but still let Hasbro in. Given that MTG isn't that popular in Japan and by and large Japanese games aren't that popular outside of Japan it's not a bad strat to let Hasbro have it for a set.

Final Fantasy Andy here.
Sorry for killing your game, people who aren't fans of UB.
But I have a question. Are the commander decks a limited print run? They seem to be sold out almost everywhere for FF, and I'm tight on cash right now. I'd like to buy one, but I'm comfortable waiting if I'll be able to find them in a store reasonably later on.

>>95954076
They’ll get reprints like previous UB crossovers (namely Warhammer 40k and LotR) but they’re usually only sold by Hasbro to retailers, LGS, etc. in their groups of 4 precons and there will always be ones more popular than others so they’ll be harder to find and usually more expensive.

>>95951700
Magar better in that regard?

>>95954091
>They’ll get reprints like previous UB crossovers
Awesome.
>usually more expensive.
Damn
I just want the FFX deck really. Maybe XIV money allowing.
Thanks for the info.

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ
Yeah, occasionally. He's still fun for casual games if a little unimpressive.

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ
No. I wanted to be allowed to actually play instead of just getting hated out immediately, so I switched to Elsha.

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ:
No, turns out casting rat colony over and over gets old fast

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ: Do you still play your first commander?
Original deck was ultra budget (no card over $0.25 other than the commander) and kinda fun to play since it was still functional, but Miirym is so stupidly broken that, even with a $20 pile of draft chaff dragons and blue flicker effects, she gets removal held up for her and ultimately the deck does nothing except kingmake whoever's running the actual strongest deck at the table since no one's got removal left for them. And the shitty budget green ramp can't keep up with the commander tax.

Reworked her into clone tribal because it's funny having 120 Miiryms on the field. Still stupidly strong, still gets hated to the point of making the deck unplayable at most tables, but at least it's conceptually fun.

>>95951593
>Every legendary creature so far is two colors
>Same colors as the reprint shocks.
I guess it's Guilds of Ravnica IN SPAAAAACE.

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ: Do you still play your first commander? If not, why did you stop?
Nah I dismantled it like a decade ago. Hard control/stax, included so many cards that would untap him so I'd tap/untap/tap/untap/tap every turn to lock the entire board down. The win con was "chip damage from my creatures over 10+ turns". This was also back when my friends ran pretty much zero removal, and the random odd card they did play I countered it with one of the like 20 fuckin counterspells the deck had. Everyone hated it

>>95954284
Good. I'm tired of 3+ color commanders. We need more good 2/mono colored.

>>95954344
I am fucking DYING for more monocolored legendaries. I hate how all the 2-3 color legendaries seem to be built for commander first, and regular Magic second

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ
as much as i love Sliver overlord, he got boring fast.
Id just tutor for the crystalline and hivelord every game.
any way to not make it uninteresting and predictable?

>>95954384
Play Starke of Rathe. Or Kurkesh, Onakke ancient.

>>95954384
Final Fantasy had some alright ones. Ardyn, Sephiroth, Y'shtola, Tifa.

>>95951386 (OP)
TQ: I can't quit my wife. No big tricks, no big stax pile, no hard feelings. I am going to pick up a stick and hit you with it; if I hit you-- you lose.

Thanks to Genji Glove I can now actually win games moving first too.

This is my Omo list. General plan is get a shit ton of lands and mana from all the additional lands per turn, then use Ashaya, Braulios, Greensleeves, Lumra or Hydra Broodmaster for big shit.
Trying to not lean too heavy into things that only work when Omo is on the board, like the Spawning Kraken, Elvish Archdruid and Scion of Oona but have Maskwood Nexus as a backup.
Also have Reshape The Earch and Gates as an alternative WinCon.

>>95954384
Im having fun with Shadow. He's like Yuriko-lite but I can use the fun artifacts like Spine of Ish Sah or Ugin's Nexus.

>>95954586
>any way to not make it uninteresting and predictable?
Have every single sliver in Magic, separated out of the deck. Shuffle that pile, deal out a number of slivers equal to the creature slots in the deck. No matter what you're dealt, that's what you play with that game night

>>95954586
Use Hivelord as the commander, unironically.
>but it'll get exiled
You'd be surprised how much indestructible still fucks people up.

>>95951805
>all the goad auras
>bloodthirsty blade
>slot in Alexios, Slicer, Kain, and maybe Tahngarth for redundancy
>Pramikon and Windborn Muse effects for good measure.

>>95954677
Can confirm, the moment indestructible hits the field is the moment my swords to plowshares goes to the bottom of my library.

>>95954591
Kurkesh is fucking great I've never seen another pilot at my LGS.

>>95951805
Everyone being completely sick of her the turn cycle or two after she comes down. But I'm sure you're aware of that.

Alright Im gonna build her. Give me your funniest suggestions for creatures to copy. Im gonna omit the extra combat creatures. But Dong Zhuo is going in for sure. Probably Mindclaw shaman too

>>95954738
Not something they want to block, but, if they do, you can end up doming someone else to turn off lifegain.
Blasphemous Act is also a funny card.

>>95954738
>Doesn't say non-token
I detect potential shenanigans with large creatures, such as:
>Pathrazer of Ulamog
>Angrath's Marauders
>Borderland Behemoth
>Molten Primordial

>>95954756
>shenanigans with large creatures
>mentions an Eldrazi
>it isn't It That Betrays
Come on, anon

>>95954788
I just prefer Pathrazer because it's cheap, and sending three copies of it at someone takes them out of the game just as well as three copies of It That Betrays.
If you're willing to spend the cash (or proxy it) then by all means.

>>95954586
>any way to not make it uninteresting and predictable?

No. Tutors fundamentally destroy what makes Commander interesting by making your deck far more consistent. The only way to make them more "interesting" is to intentionally pull suboptimal choices and at that point why bother playing a tutor in the first place?

>>95954815
I feel like some commanders and decks struggle without the ability to search some answers and pieces.

Searching for a game winning loop is boring, but getting lands or artifacts or creatures on the field that let you execute your gameplan after removal or counters or just fast enough to compete with other decks at the table is helpful.

Who's the most fun Rakdos commander?

>go to magiccon
>holy shit this is fun
>everyone is chill
>fun games of commander all day
>today, go to lgs
>2 guys playing precon
>kk, lets go down a level
>3rd guy is playing pantlaza, proceeds to shit out gishath, finale of devastation, ghalta, drops his whole hand, draws 7
>hes super excited
>give him shit
>precon player board wipes
>says nothing and leaves after

>>95954823
Then they should put in more finishers or build the deck properly with more synergy and long term value building cards instead of creating greed piles.

>>95954633
For a long time I thought it was a dude with a pumpkin helmet until I read the creature type

What's a good deck box to show off my commander? Want something good but like sub-30 bucks. Dice holder optional.

>>95954833
Depends what your definition of fun is. I like Juri because it's a time bomb that players really start sweating over if they don't have exile or -1/-1 effects

>>95954888
gamegenic squire plus

Why is krenko so fun? It's not even the most expensive deck I've built. But for some reason the flexibility of going wide for combat or burning the table out. Turbo card draw with skullclamp feels right.

The situation with these Final Fantasy cards is just frustrating. I've been setting money aside since the beginning of the year so i could really splurge on FF when it came out, i love the series and i knew i would want to make multiple decks. But the prices are just ridiculous, and they're not getting any better. I have money, but i just can't bring myself to spend THIS much on it. I'm someone who loves collecting things, i don't proxy simply because i find it cool to own the cards, but at this rate bizarrely enough i'll end up proxying the set that actually means the most to me, because the prices are just absurd

>>95954867
Some players just can't help themselves. Even against people just trying to play precons.

>>95954954
Same dude. I've heard from people who know Canadians that pricing is only an American issue cause Japan refused to ship the magic cards here cause of tariffs. Meaning Canada and Mexico got twice as much as us.

>>95954983
Well i'm Brazilian and shit's really bad down here too, so i don't know. Fucking Vivi is going for 90USD down here, its absurd

>>95954809
>If you're willing to spend the cash
What are you--
Oh, god damn it, it happened again, didn't it? A card that I picked up for $2 has changed price.

>>95954998
Yeah it seems to be hovering around $10 - $12 now, which ain't crazy money but still.

>>95954998
I played a lot of EDH back in RTR, and Cyclonic Rift was everywhere for like $4. Everyone had one, especially the new players.
It's still surreal to me that it's now a big boy tryhard nofun moneybags card that we're all supposed to be upset about.

Fake or real, what do you think?

>>95955006
The curse of having been playing this game since Onslaught block, I suppose. Sometimes, I shell out for expensive cards for my friends or give them things from my collection for free, just because I've been playing for so much longer and have a weirdly unfair advantage because of it. Really kicked it a few years back when I suggested Mox Opal for a friend's artifact deck, still thinking of it as an $8 card at most.

>>95954879
I'm sorry I must be misunderstanding you; I think you're trying to suggest that tutors should be replaced with draw engines and color appropriate goodstuff. I have to be misunderstanding you because that would be way too stupid to honestly believe.

>>95955019
>poison counters
>"A category-Phi substance"
I'm going to call real because a faker would be a bit more conservative about that kind of implication.

heh

>>95955019
Pretty fucking good fake if it is, I even recognise some of the art from the previews.
Now the question is does the poster want to try showing off all the cards instead of this haphazard pile?

Any personal predictions on final fantasy prices?? I'm hoping the reprints crash play booster box prices in the next few months.

>>95955055
That's what I'm counting on.
I have negative interest in the Spiderman set beyond it being a fresh set of jangling keys for the finance nerds to gush over and hopefully dump FF for cheap.

>>95955055
Scalpers are going to buy out the reprint stock, too. Price memory is a thing.

>>95955066
Final Fantasy is standard legal though. There's no way scalpers will buy out the set for 3 years.

>>95954882
>For a long time I thought it was a dude with a pumpkin helmet
this is wotc's art direction for a long time now, to have female characters drawn like men, you'll be surrpised at just how many there are right now
maybe in fifty years or so a new unglued set will look at this period of mtg history and shake its head as to how much of a fall from grace it is, we deserve a better class of gestapo

>>95951907
>>95954722
nta but I've been debating building her and all the other "double crossers" that opponents gain control of like Sleeper Agent/Xantcha/Kain/etc. Is she really that hated?

>>95954936
Making a shit ton of creatures tingles the brain. I get the same feeling dropping like 20+ fucking saprolings out with Shroofus

>>95955019
>poison counters
lmao you fucking W H A T

When are the FF reprints gonna happen? I've heard that it will happen in 1-2 months but is this true?

>>95955038
Hopefully there's decent generators, cuz my Shao Jun deck is salivating at the idea of it

>>95955133
Jeskai Infect let's go!

>>95955144
b-but I already built mono-white infect. I feel like that's the funnier color to have it anyway

>>95955144
>have a legendary called kilo
>will also have a legendary called miles
what did wotc mean by this?

I can't decide if I should make my FF focused aristocrat deck Mardu Terra, Orzhov Squall, or mono black Sephiroth.

>>95955152
take a wild guess

who is the angel that lost her mind during the eldritch moon/innistrad shit and sent everyone into full on purge the unclean mode?

>>95955105
Yes. Without question. Holy fuck I have never seen the energy go sour in a play group faster than when someone drops one of those on the board. Do it anyway if you want, just know if players get a chance they'll probably target you first.

>>95955019
So what's warped going to be? New form of Suspend?

>>95955038
Of course it's in simic. Damn it.

>>95955600
Might have more in common with Foretell or plot.

>>95955600
Foil card payoff.

>>95955024
>trade one of my copies Annointed Processesion with a friend
>he is my buddy so ofc i dont ask for insane value, keep it "market price" of around 9€, what i payed for it back in the day
>he quits
>he sells it for 2025 big bucks

i mean, is he really in the wrong here? would just have been nice if he had asked if i needed it back or something. He didnt even ask anyone in the playgroup if someone wanted to buy something from him

>>95955829
No, I traded a Juzam Djinn for a set of Bolts back in the day but I'm not going over to my buddy decades later to get my money back.

>>95955850
wasnt even decades, just a few months. besides, would you ask your friends first if you quit and wanted to sell your collection?

>>95955019
Fake, or not fake, the spaceship mechanic looks like ass and are sure to be a dud no one actually want to play around just like charge counters.

how are slivers nowadays? lost the 'that guy" throne to eldrazi and safer to play or am i still better off running sub-5c non sliver to throw off and hope there is enough of them in the colors to justify playing it?

>>95954882
I actually thought that too.
>>95955089
Every time I hear about how WotC quite literally hates their old cards, especially ones based on real myth or history like Mirage, I just get actually angry. The fact that these people are the ones in charge is so genuinely infuriating, and it makes me wonder if we will ever be rid of them or this mentality.
No I'm not Rudy, but I do love the aesthetic of mirage. Arabian Fantasy has always been amazing when done well.

>>95956085
>I'm not Rudy
Post arms.

>>95956143
Sure, why?

>>95956176
My stepsister is an expert in hairy arms and she told me that these are Rudy's. You're not fooling anyone here.

>playgroup compains that Sorin Soul Sisters is too strong
Should I switch to Minwu?

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ
Yes and it's still my main one, but I might change it soon. He's too mana heavy for the meta nowadays, so I might just put him in the 99 and put a leaner commander so I can cast it more.

>>95956480
Build a weaker deck and your playgroup will stop whining for a day. Teach your playgroup to counter your decks and they'll stop whining for the rest of your life.

>>95955281
there are probably going to be a lot of Sephiroth aristocrats decks that all look 99% the same and everyone hates playing against

What decks are you working on right now, /edhg/?

TQ: I pull it out once every full moon or so because it tends to slow the game down.
Powered the deck down after many complaints but that just ended up with everyone hating the deck me included. So I just upgraded it to full degeneracy again and use it to play arch enemy once in a while.
Still my favorite deck.
On another note, they really powercrept carddraw. I recall having to jump through hoops to draw cards in colorless. Now I get shit like Palanthir and The One Ring with theur only limiting factor being how much Im willing to spend on cardboard.

>>95956554
since there's two threads, it's 2 posts
>build Boros Knights
>feel confident
>decide to try Mardu again (I miss black in the colors)
>Put Celes back in the command zone
>aim for lower power
>put in a bunch of terrible knights with +1/+1 counter synergies
>drop my Phy Altar and Roaming Throne to save for stronger decks
>trying to fit a knight into every spot possible (draw, removal, counters, etc)
>relaxing and cutting cards before bedtime
https://archidekt.com/decks/14082626/rune_knights
any suggestions? curious what knights I may have missed, or cards that are worse than I think they are. Only at 112 so it should be easy to chop it down to size and start building.

>TQ
Riku of Two Reflections just sorta fell off for me, not really sure when. Really liked making copies of Keldon Warlord.

Reminder precon players should not be respected

>>95955019
This all looks like fucking trash. Therefore it haa to be real.

>>95956744
Hey, everyone has got to start somewhere. You just don't expect them to do well.

>I just got a Tidus precon
>Undecided if I should make Tidus, Yuna or Ms Bumbleflower
I have most pieces for all decks I just dont know which one is more fun

>>95956554
I've been digging through my bulk for Shantotto. I don't think I can build her strong enough to hold up at my group's power level on the budget I want, but I'm pretty much only making the deck because her name is fun to say.

>>95952942
Based

>>95956804
How is Ms Bumbleflower supposed to play? She seems popular though I've never seen anyone run her myself.

>>95956804
Counter blitz is great give it a few test pilots and watch your board turn to 10/10+ in 3 turns. Also has a lot of room for upgrades looking for more counters and types of counters

>>95956818
group hug that then beats people to death with a giant flying commander

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ
For me it was Jhoira and yeah, I don't really play her anymore. I still have the deck but I find other things more exciting now

>>95956478
>>95956631
>another swordbro deck over 100 cards
When I die I want you to lower me into my grave so you can let me down one last time

>>95951386 (OP)
>Do you still play your first commander? If not, why did you stop?
My first commander was Admiral Beckett Brass. I still use her in the 99 but she got replaced by Admiral Brass Unsinkable back in Ixalan.

>friend challenged me to build kino
>most effective strategies are MLD to force people to eat your bananas
>as well as Mycosynth Lattice and artifact mass removal for one-sided board wipes
what a retarded commander, but kinda funny

>>95957243
>fill your deck with land destruction and artifact combo faggotry
>have no room for monkeys
>buff a shitty 2/2 only
>they still won't use the bananas unless they are in red or green because without lands they can only pay for generic costs
Considering this build would essentially invalidate half the text on the card itself does not seem the most effective at all I think you just have edhg brainworms

>>95957276
>artifact combo faggotry
your have a commander that produces artifacts and profits if enemy artifacts are put into their graveyards. that alone is warrants an artifact focus.
>they still won't use the bananas
if they don't eat their bananas, there are enough options to get rid of them
>buff a shitty 2/2 only
>this build would essentially invalidate half the text on the card
the only text this build "invalidates" is that it doesn't put counters on other monkeys but himself, because it is a voltron strategy, while the other 37 lines on the card are still "valid".

>>95955018
The average estrogen per player count has skyrocketed since RTR.

>>95954867
To be fair playing precons is faggot shit in a format about deckbuilding

>>95956818
>Ms Bumbleflower supposed to play?
You say you are grouphug. Then you do anything but grouphug. Counters, voltron, hydras, control, you name it, except grouphug.

>>95957405
>>95957243
He seems a lot stronger to me if you just never make bananas and make signet players miserable.

>>95955018
>It's still surreal to me that it's now a big boy tryhard nofun moneybags card that we're all supposed to be upset about.
when the average casual actively wants to overcommit to the board just to kill people one at a time at a snail's pace instead of comboing out (it's more "fun" that way they claim) cyclonic rift becomes an allstar in screwing up those plans, hence the salt

>>95957503
sadly my group barely plays artifacts. could probably work with gifting treasures and gold too, but is likely more risky.

>>95955018
Realistically I think Cyclonic Rift is one of the most efficient and ubiquitous answers in the game. But I also think that if WotC isn't going to nut up and actually BAN the fucking card instead of some gay bracket half-measure, it's fair game.

>>95957583
cyclonic rift is banned in bracket 2 (basically edh standard) and allowed in bracket 3 (basically edh modern)

>>95955597
Okay pretend like I'm not retarded, I legitimately don't know. *Why* is she so hated? Seems like all she does is speed the game up and let everyone have a temporary anthem for their turn. Is it purely because it allows, for example, Krenko decks to get even stupider? I see nothing immediately wrong, it's not like she introduces some massive stax effect or anything dumb like that

>>95957617
So long as the baseline of bracket 2 is precon-level it is the short bus of EDH. Brackets are soft bannings when hard bannings would simply improve the format. But the game gets gayer and gayer because people would rather listen to content creators promoting "vibes-based" gameplay instead of playing a fucking card game.

>>95957648
She's not hated. Your average commander player has never seen Karona resolve in his life. This anon just has a weird grudge against a weak, obscure card.

>opponent attacks with jumbo cactuar
>no trample, no haste
>declare no blocks
>deflecting palm
>my opponents face

>>95957673
>Brackets are soft bannings
brackets are in practice formats, regardless of what casuals might think otherwise
>But the game gets gayer and gayer because people would rather listen to content creators promoting "vibes-based" gameplay instead of playing a fucking card game.
viewing games from channels like commander clash are actually the worst in teaching you about magic, mainly because magic is actually a bad spectator game and youtubers actively make "unrealistic" decklists and game states for the sake of a better viewing experience

Is there a good way to build a Venat deck?
I really want to have her as a commander, but the problem is that 'legendary tribal' in mono white doesn't seem to give a lot of good synergy. You want to play a bunch of legendaries, but those legendaries don't have anything in common besides BEING legendary, so there's not a lot of common synergy to work with.

The closest thing to a plan I have been able to come up with is to lean into white's equipment enablers and basically just have the plan of teching up whoever the best fighting legendary I have on the field is. But this feels like a weak plan.

If all else fails, I might resort to just having an Ardbert, Warrior of Darkness deck instead which is still legendary matters but has a stronger payoff to using it, and have Venat as one of the 99. But I figured I would check here and see if there is a version of a Venat deck that actually works.

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ
>Sheoldred the apocalypse
I got real tired of saying "draw tax, take 2" what felt like every thirty seconds

>>95957718
And of course I forgot my image.

>>95957718
>>95957806
Two things here.

1. You haven't yet used the flurbenfactor - your deck will ultimately be: cast spell, draw card. I know you want to play around her 7, but it's unlikely you'll do it reliably.
2. Should you want to do it because of basedness, you'll want to do a legendaries matters deck obviously.

Can I get some advice on my Golbez list? I'm honestly not sure if the recursion stuff is necessary.
https://archidekt.com/decks/14048916/golbez_artifacts

>>95957854
>you'll want to do a legendaries matters deck obviously

Okay, but how do you do that WELL in mono white? You've got things like heroes podium and flowering of the white tree, but that means your deck is very reliant on a small number of enablers that turn your deck from a bunch of cards that don't synergize or interact with each other in any meaningful way into one where "at least they have bonuses".

The card draw is fine, but it still feels like I'd get my clock cleaned by any proper deck with a real synergy it is building from.

>>95956554
>Wick the whorled mind, fling deck
>My millionth attempt at powered down Rowan Scion of War
>Narci Saga aristocrats with upgrades from FF
>Magar of the strings
>Dimir clones, commander still undecided
>Baylen, trying to make it feel like playing a game of Armello
>Delver Teval
>Trying to find a poison commander i like in abzan or sultai
>Eriette deck i just realised i haven't finalised in what feels like a year
I'm probably forgetting one or two decks, but yeah it's a never ending cycle of brewing.

>>95957683
Right that's what I figured

>Vivi out turn 1
le sigh

>>95957952
Rowan is so goddamn boring. I've seen her so many times at my LGS. It's just a kill-on-sight commander that wins with an infinite number of cards.

>>95957983
Alright, I'll bite: How? What impossible T1 combo brings him out?

>>95958010
>land petal exile simian cast vivi
Im sure there are more ways but doesn't seem very impossible

>>95956554
Finally stopped being lazy and did final edits on the next 10 decks. I'll revisit them if something weird and crazy comes out in the next 1-2 years but these should be good to go

>>95958025
>petal
oh goddammit I keep forgetting this fuckin thing exists. Every time my brain just goes "oh yeah jeweled lotus, right?"

>>95958002
100% agree the usual storm Rowan is like watching paint dry.
That's half the reason i'm making a powered down version. Her discount applies to everything not just instants and sorceries, there's gotta be something more interesting you can do with that.
I'm just a sucker for any character or archetype in games that lets me bleed myself in exchange for power.

>>95957806
speaking of this particular flip card I have a question since I put her in ratadrabik
if I make a copy of her front side, can I even activate the tap ability to exile a nonland? I know she can't transform as a token but does that prevent the activation, resolution or do I get to exile but she just doesn't flip
also if I copy the flip side, do I get the front side as clones copy the front side I believe. or is the copying ability different and can copy the flip side
couldn't find this easily so I thought asking here

>>95958052
making a powered down rowan won't save you from being focused down though short of showing everyone your entire decklist
if you want to bleed through your commander in a bracket 2 power level you can always run greven predator captain

>>95958056
oh nvm I found out they changed the rules in MOM and tokens can actually transform now. I thought it was that the token would only "remember" the side which it is copying and nothing of the other side

>>95958080
Yeah she'll get targeted, like any ramping commander should, i'm okay with that and will build with that in mind. I only play with my dedicated pod though, so i'm surrounded by reasonable people.
>Brackets
>Greven
why are you gay

>>95958109
ooh shit. to add to my research, double faced cards cannot be flipped say with ixidor. could be worth considering as a one sided "wipe" once a critical mass of dfc creatures exist

>>95956554
Heartless Hidetsugu race to zero

>>95958138
mah nigga

>>95958122
>why are you gay
well with that kind of spergout i can see why you only play with your "reasonable" pod lmao

>>95958138
why does no-one talk about giving this higga infect?

>>95958172
because he hurts you as well, and nobody likes a draw.

>>95956554
Y'shtola Night's Blessed, mana rock tribal.
Unwinding Clock to untap mana rocks on other people's turns. Flash enablers to cast spells on other people's turns. Curiosity effects to give me card draw on either damage done or life gain.

The goal is to just always be drawing cards and drop mana rocks, dealing damage and gaining life every time I do so, and the mana rocks themselves enable me to cast MORE mana rocks the next time things untap. If I am lucky enough to draw unwinding clock and a flash enabler, I can play mana rocks on other people's turns. This also triggers her first card draw ability as long as I can do it twice or more.

Its basically Purpheros in esper colors, with lifegain. The deck won't be JUST mana rocks, there will be creatures that help make the engine pack more punch or benefit from life gain (Karlov turns into a fast recharging repeatable removal, etc) and removal or protection spells will also be included as long as they cost 3 mana. But the goal is still to shove a copy of every mana rock I can get my hands on in there, and have that be as big of a chunk of the deck as I can manage.

>>95958172
You lose too unless you've got Treasonous Ogre or something that can prevent damage like Glacial Chasm. I do run Exoskeleton though because lifegain decks can still be obnoxious.

When is my "next end step"?
Is it the current turn or the turn after?

>>95957459
>>95954955
>players getting into the hobby
>inherently non-competitive, social format
>autistically competitive

>>95958335
Current turn has an end step, which is the first one you hit. So, unless you have a bunch of mana left over after playing him, you won't realistically be able to cast anything on the turn you put him down, except maybe a land drop. It will just turn into damage.

But on turns where you attack with him, you'll be able to cast from exiled cards on your second main phase. But ONLY the ones you exiled that turn, not previous turns.

>>95958411
>>95958338
Do you at least see my confusion

>>95958421
no, because words have meanings and those are different words

>>95958421
One time sorceries are worded like that yes
Dragonhawk has a triggered ability so it has to be worded differently
They both work the same way

>>95958186
>>95958313
but planned draw is my favorite wincon

>>95958435
They absolutely do not work the same way. Dragonhawk says UNTIL YOUR NEXT END STEP, the other says UNTIL THE END OF YOUR TURN. Thrill cards can be played during your end step if the possibility presented itself. Don't try to say what's what when you yourself dont understand the game.

>>95958435
no they dont you fucking retard.

end of your NEXT turn -> next turn's endstep
next endstep -> this one, unless it's skipped via a time stop like ability

>>95958435
to be clearer had reckless impulse been worded "until end of turn" then you lose the cards at the end of the current turn just like dragonhawk, but since it says "until end of next turn", and your turn had already passed (because turns start basically at untap), then you keep the cards for another round

>>95958435
>They both work the same way
The "very next end step that happens" is not the same as "the end of your next turn"

I have a question about Vivi as mainly a Yugioh player who has a decent amount of Magic knowledge. When Vivi's text box says, "Activate only on your turn and only once per turn," I am assuming that is a hard once per turn, correct? I have no interest in the card, but interested in a deeper understanding of the rules of Magic.

Post the three most commonly played decks of your favorite person to play against.
>Obeka (original)
>Gev
>Brenard

>>95958472
What do you mean "a hard once per turn"

>>95958472
yeah it's a "hard" once per turn
what do you imagine a "soft" once per turn would look like?

>>95958472
you can flicker him (cause him to leave the battlefield and return somehow) to reset it, but outside of that, yes, hard once per turn.

>>95958504
NTA, but how are people able to use the effect multiple times a turn via Agatha's Soul Cauldron?

>>95958501
>>95958503
In Yugioh, we have "hard" and "soft" once per turn. For example, in Yugioh, say Vivi was a card. At the start of the effect it would read, "Once per turn." This would be considered "soft," because say you had played another Vivi or got it to leave the board and come back, you could use the effect once again because the game treats it as a new copy. A "hard" once per turn explicitly states at the end of the effect, "You can only use the effect of Vivi once per turn," and the game state remembers that a Vivi has triggered once this turn.

>>95958504
Well, in Yugioh, that would be considered soft actually, because you could in theory use it again. Hard once per turns have no way to get around them.

>>95958523
because it's not a blanket restriction for the ability in specific, it's a restriction on the specific creature that has the ability. It's the same principle as flickering it. The Vivi that comes back is a "new" Vivi that hasn't activated the ability yet, so it can do so even if the previous Vivi already activated it.

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ: Do you still play your first commander? If not, why did you stop?
Of course. After seeing how ridiculously overvalued these cards became of course I held onto Ghoulcaller Gisa, she quickly became my magic-waifu next to Sheoldred
>(Not counting precons, of course)
Oh, that one even moreso. I made a proxy for the first time just for it. At first it was a printing of Obama as Zedruu the Greathearted. But of course I soon realized Zedruu fucking sucks ass and hoping to one day Cast Bronze Bombshell with Infinite Reflections on the battlefield is a stupid pipedream to desperately hold onto so when Trump got elected I changed it to Ruhan of the Fomori voltron and never went back.

>>95958535
ah there's nothing "hard" in mtg if that's the case, because there are always exceptions and card text will always override basic fundamentals of the game, like picrel

>>95958335
Current turn end step, it would say end step of your next turn if it stayed up

>>95958523
In Magic, when a card leaves the game and comes back, in the game's eye, it's a brand new object. It's how people get around Exhaust abilities too: flicker and it's a "brand new card" so you can do it again

>>95958523
>Agatha's Soul Cauldron
every creature with a counter, has that activated ability. Read the card replacing the text vivi with "this card"

> Add X mana in any combination of U and/or R, where X is THIS CARD's power. Activate only during your turn and only once each turn.

So you can activate each card separately.
>>95958535
technically the game state does know you activated vivi. You cant activate the card again on your turn.

The game also has rules where a card leaving and re-entering the zone counts as a new object.

>>95958535
In that case Vivi is "soft"

>>95958535
hard once per turns are super rare in mtg. I think there are only a couple and I can't even remember what those are and if they really were "hard" either. so no that one is not

>>95958549
I don't think you read the question.
>>95958536
This anon did.

>>95958564
>I don't think you read the question.
sure didn't, thought that card was a random flicker effect and assumed like a dumbass

>>95958472
Hard once per turns do not exist in MTG, at most you get once per duel/game effects. If you can flicker a creature from the grave or from the battlefield then you always earn your reward for it because it's always considered a separate entity even if it says "when CARDNAME does X, once per turn". Not asked for but kind of important: missing the timing literally does not exist in MTG, you should really appreciate that. I tried to get into Yugioh really hard once and got very discouraged every fucking time I found out my combo/hate card doesn't work just because I'm not in a certain part of the stack. Fuck Yugioh and fuck Black Horn of Heaven. Chaining is so fucking inferior to the stack it drives me nuts.

>>95958591
You can't hold priority in YGO so it's literally only your own fault if you can't chain at the right time.

>>95951386 (OP)
Mine was a heavily modified PreCon, and I took it apart after a year. It didn't work. While I thought it over, I built a couple other decks. Then SOI came out, and Olivia, Mobilized for War intrigued me. So I took the remnants of the Jeleva deck and built a RB Madness Vampire Tribal deck. I still have it, though it's very casual on the power scale and Anje eventually took the helm.

I don't build many decks anymore. I have to get really excited about a card to start thinking about building. I have 8 decks of varying power and levels of cruelty.

>>95958591
Just don't use cards that say "when", anon.

>TQ
I do indeed still play my first commander.
His 99's been ship of Theseus'd but they're still the same goblins that came outta the precon box a decade ago.

>>95958599
No fuck you, it's not about priority, if multiple effects happen at once then it literally gets around the conditions for Black Horn of Heaven and cucks you out of a counter when your opponent special summons certain monsters. Fuck Yugioh and fuck anyone that enjoys playing decks that revolve around a single archetype because that's practically the ONLY kind of deck you're allowed to play nowadays in your baby cookie cutter game.

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ
naturally

she's gotten a bit of a glow-up since coming out of the precon box, though

>>95958546
That makes sense, that was going to be my next question, I know that card text can overwrite the rules in Magic and am familiar with Platnium Angel.

>>95958553
I should be a little bit more thorough in my response, just because this is regarding rules text. Obviously, the game has some form of memory, or there would be nothing stopping you from activating Vivi again and again without blinking/playing another. You being able to activate it once again without doing any of the aformentioned steps is obvious. I knew that new copies of cards are considered new game objects, however I didn't know if say a Vivi that was flickered was considered a Vivi or a new Vivi if that makes sense, just because I have not seen many MtG cards with such percise wording. Normally such an ability would be a tap effect, so tapping the permenant would be its once per turn barring the ability to untap. That is why I was questioning if stating "Activate .... and only once per turn," applied to the player or the permenant itself. The discrepency comes from the fact that in Yugioh itself, the "You can activate the effect of X once per turn," applies to all copies of the card, regardless if that newly summoned one was a seperate game piece.

>>95958591
Missing the timing hasn't been relevant since... 2014? Since Fire and Ice Hand. The only other cards I can think of with a missing the timing since is Paleo, but that is only because that would allow you to resummong your entire grave to the activation of a single card.

>>95958666
No he has a point if he's talking about Black Horn of Heaven. On the surface it looks like a pretty much catch-all for anyone spamming special summons but it's so incredibly easy to miss the timing on that because of how most special summons work that it basically makes the card useless.

Magic needs HOPT effects.
YGO got it right.

>>95958721
They would just use that as an excuse to print even more stupidly ridiculous shit than Screaming Nemesis.

>>95951386 (OP)
>TQ
Xenagod stays ever build not only for when i don't want to think, but also when introducing new people in the lgs since its simple and fairly effective at the powerlevel we play at

>>95958645
Unironically a massive skill issue given how many special summons MUST be spell speed 1 even if you insist on using Black Horn of Heaven because you're a Timmy that can't pay the LP for Solemn and is sleeving up a trap card as your "time strategy"
>O-Only one strategy!
Still playing Dragon Link baby. Won't find that shit in Standard with the current state of aggro decks being better than all the removal. Nosewater would never dare print a card like SPoly or Evenly Matched to answer the spiraling power level of threats.

>>95958676
>Black Horn of Heaven
I didn't say he didn't have a point. I am just saying, the game has been designed in such a way for over the last decade that cards really don't miss timing anymore. Black Horn of Heaven just happens to be a bad card, its one card, move on. Its ironically better then it was when he is describing it just because there are more inherent summons in Yugioh with Links/Xyz/Synchro then it was in 2006/2014.

>>95958591
Also, on a technicallity, missing the timing do occur with end the turn effects, no?

>>95958637
>Shattergang
Based
>UBslop
gross

>TQ
No I don't play her anymore because the deck is way to autopiloty. I was only doing sealed until one of my friends asked if I ever played commander and I built the best deck I could out of what I had (mostly Shrines and Planeswalkers). I still have the deck I built directly after.

>>95958645
>a single archetype
I topped a regional and bubbled one with True Draco Zoodiac and Kaiju Zoo, there are plenty of times that you can mix and match archtypes together in the game. Even right now people are playing different varients of Ryzel/Misturugi. This meta is literally one of the best example of how that statement is wrong.

>>95958812
Kefka is my favorite and I have an unhealthy clown obsession, you do the math anon

>>95958851
I did do the math anon, the sum, mean and all the factors were
>gross

>>95958851
I do not get the appeal of clown girls. Is it a zoomer thing?

>>95958899
No I'm 28 and want to make clussy honk.
It was probably Harley Quinn honestly. Or Harley from Chrono Cross

>>95958899
truth bomb
All girls all clowns

>>95952530
protip: nowhere on grimgrin does it say you have to play zombie tribal

Do you run infinites in your deck or a combo that ends the game on the spot

>>95951386 (OP)
Oh yeah, you fucking bet I still play him.

>>95958721
As an infernity player, fuck you I like magic not having HOPT
Launcher to 3 when

>tq
I only took apart the deck recently since I haven't had a group to actually play her with, since my old locals closed and now I can only play with randoms and people walk away if they see her
But she's still my favorite commander and my first, when my friends get more used to magic il rebuild her again

>>95958978
both

>>95958978
only in one if I need my big boy pants. otherwise I exclusively play undeterministic wincons and midrange grind decks

>>95958978
I don't know why, but to me infinites dont feel very satisfying to pull off.
I'm generally fine with a combo though

>>95958978
>infinites
cringe and gay. Will never touch
>ends the game on the spot
I'm okay with other people running the "you win the game" cards, but I don't run them. I do have several "player loses the game" cards like Vraska the Unseen that I'll utilize to close out games, but I'll never use them to knock the first player out. Making someone sit there with nothing to do for the next 30-60 minutes sounds lame as hell

>>95958978
I don't mind big combos or vomiting mana into an X spell to close out the game, but I took me low-to-ground infinites out of my mill deck entirely because infinite loops aren't very satisfying.

I'd rather put The Water Crystal, Trepanation Blade and Mindskinner down to have my wife close a game with "mill 64 cards" than put down Pemmins and Paradise Mantle and say "mill until you have no cards". There's no variance or interest in execution for the infinite, it's just Exodia drawn in crayon.

is this... based?

>>95959216
Extremely strong effect that should win you the game after, even if a boardwipe drops. Problem is you need 9 mana to make it happen, though I guess there are some cost reducers that can make that less painful.

5-Color, Temur, Izzet, Gruul, or Mono-Red dragons?

>>95959280
Im assuming you mean dragons in which colour, in which case I vote Temur Dragons shits sick

>>95959280
Gruul, duh

>>95959280
I'm personally thinking of cutting Ureni down to just Mono-Red so I can run a bunch of nonbasic hate with Winter Moon, Blood Moon, Ruination, etc and running a bunch of mono-ramp like Extraplanar Lens, Gauntlet of Power, begging someone for a Gauntlet of Might would be based, and the cool mono-red mana rocks like Carnelian Orb of Dragonkind, Orb of Dragonkind, Dragon's Hoard, Dragonstorm Globe, Ruby Medallion, etc. (Snow-covered basics)
Give that a try.

>>95959408
>land hate
>locking yourself into bracket 4

>>95959216
mythos of illuna is even better if the colors allow

>>95959216
https://archidekt.com/decks/13429111/kefka_max

updated my kefka deck

>>95959444
>braids / harmonic prodigy
>show and tell, erratic explosion
>tempt with mayhem / radiate
>world gorger/animate dead combo
>choice of damnations
>Gogo / descent into avernus

Can't wait to see what black cards we'll get in AtlA.

>>95959114
I have sanguine bond/exquisite blood in my vampire life gain deck, but I feel like it's also the most obvious combo so people should try to be aware if they see one part because 10 mana and 2 cards while also needing something to gain or drain feels easily counter able, it's mostly the check if everyone's awake

>>95958978
>Hatpatra + Blowfly Infestation + Obelisk Spider/All Will Be One
>Nest of Scarabs/Flourishing Defenses + Blowfly Infestation + Obelisk Spider/All Will Be One
>Yawgmoth + Hapatra + Obelisk Spider/Blood Artist

Bonus non table kill combos
>Everlasting Torment + All Will Be One
>Devoted Druid + Quillspike
>Nest of Scarabs/Flourishing Defenses + Blowfly Infestation + Scorpion God

>>95959172
Honestly I wanted to find more weird combos for Emet Selch but it's mostly infinite turns stuff, I do like the mesmeric orb with basalt monolith to have infinite mill if I need it

>>95959548
Can you build Hapatra without infinites? Youd have to go so far out of your way and not include obvious -1/-1 support to do so. I think my list was like 80 bucks for her and just packed

>>95958978
Yes. I WILL kill you with Forgeborn Oread triggers.

>>95959530
my friend runs it too, while also complaining about my arixmethes infinite mana combo. I make sure to always kill him first.

>>95959577
I don't think so, -1/-1 counters go infinite at the drop of a hat.

>>95959615
I like it because it's super telegraphed, but also I like having both in the deck by themselves, and it's on theme

>last 10 games
>play a spell on turn 1, turn 2, and turn 3
>game is over or basically over by turn 4
>not playing against combo or full CEDH fast mana
>just one mother fucker always gets his perfectly optimized fast degenerate start that shits out 8 permanents by turn 3
>sol ring start in 8 of my last 10 games
>deeply unenjoyable
I feel like the players have truly optimized the fun out of EDH. Too many sweatys trying too hard to win, and the free mulligan is absolute cancer.
Also ban Sol Ring

>>95959630
>not playing against combo or full CEDH fast mana
>just one mother fucker always gets his perfectly optimized fast degenerate start that shits out 8 permanents by turn 3
elaborate
>inb4 voja

>>95958926
>No I'm 28
Ok zoomer

>>95959630
>I feel like the players have truly optimized the fun out of EDH
It's the end-stage of every single card/board game. Humans are, by nature, highly competitive and want the best of the best. Dominion used to be fun and casual with my friends and then everyone started researching actual strategies and now it's whoever can pull off the most meta shit first wins

>>95959684
Bro I had a game boy color and my first set was OG Mirrodin, fuck outta here calling me a zoomer

>>95959630
lol ya zoomers and streamers are absolute faggots. all they build are these fucking budget linear combo decks and think because their deck was less than a hundred bucks or whatever its so fun. they all have 30 cards of redundant turn 3 combos with zero interaction so its not even a real game. its just watching fags collect their combo pieces.

>>95959731
If you were born in 1997, you are a zoomer. Doesn't matter when you started playing MTG.

>>95959731
hey, that's second time I've seen Daria mentioned today, which is not much but weird that it happened twice

don't (You) just hate it when nerds not only just use this general as a soapbox they also conveniently don't tell (You) what cards their opponents oppress them with and what shit cards they play in response?

>>95959771
>>95959714
(you)(you)(you) wow so wise. thanks for your insight.
>>reddit

>>95958899
crazy girls have the rep of being freaks and they wear revealing/tight outfits
it's a penis thing

>>95959771
every time I see this stupid tired asian posted it's always attached to a stupid post

>>95959798
clown girls*

>>95959785
>mad about losing in a casual format
>vents like a woman
>doesn't elaborate when people try to help
>only wants others to suck his dick in agreement
of all the things to get angry about it's about a cardgame that has spongebob in it

>>95959763
96 fag
>>95959770
Have one more Jane

>>95951386 (OP)
>tezzeret is colorless and flies a spaceship
hat set confirmed

>>95959814
Close enough, zoom zoom.

>>95959626
>I'm just gonna play this super telegraphed combo at a table where nobody runs combos, because I'm a special little guy and-
>ah, looks like I'm the first player to get ganged up on and killed again...
>I'm just gonna play this super telegraphed combo at a table where everyone runs combos and-
>ah, I lost to an actual good combo again...
when will lifegain babbies finally learn?

>>95959831
It's actually a glorified trampoline

>>95959847
Okay boomer

>>95959813
you’re a dumb faggot. go find a cool hobby if you’re so cool.

>>95959866
your card is worse, furry zoomer

Anyone building?

>>95959865
meaning he can't fly, just jump good?

Give me some ADHD commanders that let me play on my opponents' turns.

>>95959523
black legendaries will be
>Zuko (forma de top knot)
>Azula
>Ozai
>Jet
>Sozin
>Hama
>Long Feng
>Yangchen
>maybe Mai

>>95959967
>firebenders
>anything other than monored or red/[color]
Yeah uh no.

>>95959884
I might. His playstyle is very similar to Izzet Sarkhan without the retarded "only the creature you played" clause.

>>95959979
Ozai and Azula could both easily be monoblack

but I have a feeling Avatar is going to be a very multicolored set

>>95958535
People whine at hard once per turns because magic strategies often abuse them.

Karlach was not pricy at all until people realized "Oh shit I only need one extra combat to close it out". People also bitched about abilities tied to expend from Bloomburrow.

>>95959871
>there were no cards in Aetherdrift with 'zoom' in the name
How'd they fuck up a set so bad damn

>>95959523
The four precons will be named:
>Wonders of the air nation
>Strength of the earth nation
>Resourcefulness of the water nation
>Horrors of the fire nation

>>95959983
I like the effect but I worry about the lack of colors and also his CMC is a little pricey. With that being said I think he's a really cool addition to the red copy archetype

>people are more hyped for fucking avatar than spiderman
It's really over for marvel, isn't it?

>>95960057
I hope they both crash and burn and take Wizards with them

>>95960059
Wizards definitely overpaid Disney for Marvel. With how sets work, they had to have paid well in advance, meaning during Marvel's heyday.

>>95960029
Also
>Spellslinger/flying/token monks
>Counters, life gain
>Draw cards, equipment
>Vehicles/burn

>>95960057
>>95960081
It went well with the secret lairs, but like the secret lairs they will be overhyped and have some very broken effects but no one plays them because all the collectors/investors got to them first, so no one will play the good cards outside of a few autistic whales.

>>95960057
Avatar has a relatively clear map to fit into magic's existing system. Spiderman does not and frankly everybody is sick to death of marvel. I have yet to see one of these SLD whale marvel commanders in the wild at my LGS.

>>95960104
The secret lairs went well because of the mechanics and limited supply. If you want to play Deadpool, there is no pack you can open them in. You HAVE to buy the Deadpool secret lair.

These will be standard-legal packs. If you want a card, it'll be readily available. For cheap, in almost all instances.

>>95960107
>Avatar has a relatively clear map to fit into magic's existing system
>trying to crowbar four elements into five colors
yeah sure

>>95960109
>If you want a card, it'll be readily available. For cheap, in almost all instances.
Maybe as singles, not in those overpriced packs. Like most of the final fantasy the packs will be so overpriced compared to what you get in those packs no sane person want to buy a box, at most people buy it for draft. Same with AssAssCreed, no one really cared and their packs was so overpriced.

>>95960112
There's enough one episode bad guys, generic soldiers, and spirit mumbo jumbo to fill out black.

>>95960084
>white/blue (those fucking bird colors)
>Green/white
>Blue/white
>Red/black

>>95959979
Firebenders will be red branching into black or white depending on how evil they are.
Maybe Grixis Azula because blue flames.

>>95959979
Lightning bending Azula def red/black.
Betting on a blightning with her on it

>>95958926
>28

If you can't remember 9/11 or a time without internet you're a zoomer

>>95960150
>Grixis Azula
Ewwwww

>>95960160
I remember 9/11.
Was in kindergarten the teachers turned off the lights, went and talked in the hall, then my mom came and picked me up and I was happy school let out early.
Yep. That was 9/11.

>>95960168
Search your feelings, you know Wizards never misses a chance to shill 3 color legendaries.

If they shrink Jin's boobs I'm not buying.

>>95960181
ESPECIALLY with popular characters.

>>95959979
If colors actually meant anything then fire nation would 100% be black+white with no red, but colors don't actually mean anything anymore so they're going to be red because its symbol is a fireball.

>>95960209
That was exactly my thought process. Like how the DnD White Dragon is monowhite.

>>95960209
>Orzhov strat. Firenation Aristocrat
I couldn't get more harder for that

>>95960209
>Mardu firenation
...I am not a fan and I don't want more 3 color precons, but it would kinda fit.

Which way, Wizards

>>95960277
your favorite set of all time does not align with this btw

>>95960168
grixis is the designated bad guy color, every big bad of every IP is fated to be grixis
>i practice ethical pubstomping using grixis

>>95960339
Huh, I expected more desu

>>95960349
if every ff had its own set every one of them would be grixis

>>95960339
I want to like grixis, but every deck I make with those colors feels off to play for me.

>>95960417
grixis inherits mono black's tendency to be uncreatively strong - just play the staples, kill things, then win - blue and red pretty much just support black with counterspells and artifact removal

>>95960436
Isn't this kind of a problem for all the shards though? They're just the central color with minor aspects of the two allied ones supporting it?

>>95958762
You literally missed the point. Missing the timing should be a thing at all that shit is gay as hell just like all Yuigoh players.

>>95960441
>They're just the central color with minor aspects of the two allied ones supporting it?
sometimes it's the two color pairing that dominates, sometimes the dominant color really does get so many options with the added colors
for example bant and temur play just like simic, only "better"
sultai meanwhile plays a lot more like a black deck would, because black
esper plays much differently than mono blue
naya doesn't work like mono green - more like "better" gruul and a lot more interesting than selesnya (imo the most boring pairing)

Rate my deck? It wins about 1-in-4 games.
https://archidekt.com/decks/14097289/of_profits_and_tariffs

We need 5 more colors

Purple
-> specializes in planeswalkers, drawing cards and playing foils for reduced costs

Brown
-> specializes in using activated abilities from the graveyard, and drawing from the bottom of the deck, cycling

Orange
-> specializes in turning instants and sorceries into spells and blocking with your opponents lands, also grants bonuses to full art cards

Teal
-> draws cards from the middle of the decks, disallows the use chairs or sitting, manual dexterity cards and removal

Doritos Locos
-> specializes in eating cards for bonus effects, using corn syrup and annihilating mountain dew tokens.

Why do faggots say that you should only win 25% of your games? If you get paired against drooling retards, of course you're going to have a better winrate.

>>95960662
>specializes in eating cards for bonus effects, using corn syrup and annihilating mountain dew tokens.
Like ante, but instead of "winning" the cards you have to eat them. I would like to eat all the collectorfags/whalefags expensive cards

>>95960670
I think my winrate for >>95960652 would be higher if I didn't play it like a retarded villain like I didn't want to win until there were no other outcomes than that.

>>95960662
I've got 5 more colors for you:
>Face-down
>Snow
>Devoid
>Junk (You may only cast or activate abilities of a card type with this mana)
>Spellshaper (Reveal/Discard a cardtype from your hand to pay for this mana cost)

So you can only cast one of the instant or sorceries exiled with this every time a lore counter is added to it and you have to cast it the moment it gets added, right?

>>95960812
Yes

>>95959523
Um aschually black does not mean evil incel

>>95960972
Name me the last magic villain that didn't have black in their color identity.

>>95961074
I'm honestly thinking about building this, there's a ton of stuff that comes into play already "modified"

>>95961074
I can't wait to play this edgelord in my Marath deck.

>>95957718
>>95957933
Consider that having access to easy card draw in the command zone is very valuable, and the "drawback" of having to play Legendry's isn't really a drawback at all, your options of how you want to build her are pretty broad due to the openness of her "drawback"
I would personally build her as an aggressive beatdown type of deck with stax as a flood valve (Think Thalia or Boromir for example)

>>95961214
>>95957933
>>95957718
Also keep in mind her ability is any legendary spell, not just legendary creatures or even legendary permanents.

thoughts on this card?

>>95960277
Blue all the way, winning by making smart decisions feels better than just throwing the sink at someone.
>>95960310
This post made me realize how hard choosing a favorite set is, in 10 minutes I changed my mind all between
>Theros
>New Phyrexia
>Dominaria
>Urza's Saga
Saying Final Fantasy feels like cheating since I am just biased in favor of the IP

>>95961327
i think 6cmc is too much even for the one in a hundred times you get to use every option

>>95961005
elesh norn

>>95961005
The Trostani.

>>95961327
I like it in Kalamax but that is because I like copying big ass spells

>>95961327
It's overcosted for the use most -esp. precon- players would be using it for, but it's fine. I cut mine from my yshtola deck because the narrower use of a specific counterspell was worth only needing to hold up 2 mana instead of 6.

>>95961005
you're kidding, right? elesh norn, EOE tezzeret, trostani, sephiroth

>>95961005
konda
memnarc
elesh
tezzeret
baral
eldrazi
that one simic leader guy i forget the name of
im probably forgetting more as well

>>95961327
It's a cool card. Can be decent if you're running a deck that can afford to leave 6 mana up or have cost reducers (Hinata is a good example).
Otherwise>>95961340

>>95961005
The settings in universe flagship villains are colorless.

>>95961327
Unplayable at 6 mana. 2 of its abilities require you sitting on 6 mana hoping your enemy plays something worth using it on, the token probably won't win you the game, if you're sitting on 6 mana your opponent probably won't give a shit if you return something to their hand, and at that point in the game drawing a card is nigh worthless.

It's a trap card. Of you're in a position to actually get the full value out of it you've either already won or already lost. It'd be a solid Spree card where you pay 2 and add an additional mana for each mode but sitting on 6 mana is in hopes to use this card is horrid. When I had it in my deck it never helped me when I drew it and I never wanted to draw it. 6 mana and higher should be reserved exclusively for cards that actively bring the game to a close.

>>95961327
I'd rather run Three Steps Ahead.

I'm overwhelmed by the amount of cool commanders introduced in Final Fantasy, I don't know what to build. Give me recommendations please

>>95961629
Lightning Army of One seems like a strong commander option. Damage doubler on a commander thats a strong 3 mana fighter with a bunch of keywords is no joke.

>>95961629
Tell us what playstyles you like or what deck types you haven't built yet. Otherwise go through this and pick one at random.

https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28type%3Acreature+type%3Alegendary%29+%28game%3Apaper%29+%28set%3Afin+OR+set%3Afic%29&unique=cards&as=grid&order=cmc&dir=

(Also jfc I didn't realize there were 164 in FF. Wizards needs to chill the fuck out).

>>95960191
Wedges are a mistake

>>95960191
Agreed. 3 color Commanders should exclusively be allied. Enemy colors should never have gone past dual. And WURBG shouldn't exist.

But the design of this game has been a sloppy mess right from the start and a reboot wouldn't help because the design team are genuinely stupid. Stringent color restrictions would have made this game so much more interesting. I wish other nerd companies weren't such incompetent retards and could actually build a viable Commander rival instead of hyper focusing on competitive formats that nobody but troons and neckbeards even play anymore.

>>95961705
'04-05 was Kamigawa-OG Ravnica yeah?

>>95961705
My favorite playstyle is aggro. I love Xenagos for example

>>95961747
Maybe Tifa then?

>>95953698
In the west? No. No one plays that shit and they literally rebooted it and invalidated everyones cards recently.

>>95956554
DROPPIN BOATS ON THEIR ASS BITCH

>>95961879
The terror of bracket 2...

>>95959967
I think Ko will be Dimir (could just be a Lazav alter). And maybe the library owl as Orzhov. The bloodbending old lady is probably gonna be dimir too.

Can someone post the list of extremely unique commanders? I never saved it and it was like mono blue auras and stuff like that.

>>95961747
Mono green Tifa.

>>95961879
These seem like auto includes. Also all the treasures are gonna go great with Firebreathing effects

>>95961890
>brackets
fuck brackets

>>95961948
You pretty much want all power/damage doublers since double strike won't work and it isn't great to attach equipment for an extra 2 power or whatever when the thing dies after it attacks. You want haste, creatures large enough to crew, and damage/power doubling.

>>95962009
mulligan until you get assault suti

>>95962015
but our pod only gives one free mull

>>95962054
1 mountain
1 assault suit
and a dream

>>95961951
holy seethe

>>95962256
Put down the bottle.

What's the rest of the deck?

>>95962272
Sounds like a you job i dont know what the deck is at all

>>95962272
https://edhrec.com/commanders/the-wandering-minstrel
slop for the slop god

>>95962411
doppelgang makes X copies of X permanents, you make a copy of a card that returns doppelgang from your graveyard and enough lands to play doppelgang again, deserts can do damage when they enter, minstrel makes them come into play untapped

>>95955019
>lander token is a wayfarer's bauble effect
god I hope it's real and that it comes in good common cards

>>95962266
projection?

>try to build a lifelink deck without soul sister effects or lifedrain and instead go for +1 counter payoffs
>it sucks because all my shit gets removed before it has a serious impact
I'm sure I'm doing it wrong, +1 counter lifelink can't be that bad. maybe less removal and more protection.

>>95955019
>close encounter
Heh that's cute

>>95962256
chill zoom zoom

>>95962272
Amulet, Spelunking, Lotus Cobra, 9 gates, Squandered Resources, aftermath Nissa, tutors.

>>95962963
>Squandered Resources
costs more than the list I ended up with

>>95962557
play oloro
you have access to white and blue
if you cant stop people removing your board with access to counterspells and whites phase/indestructible/hexproof effects then nothing can

are you currently in selesnya?
Heroic intervention, flawless maneuverer, clever concealment, eerie interlude, teferi's protection, galadriel's dismissal, guardian of faith, talon gates of madara, boromoir warden of the tower, reprieve, legolas' quick reflexes, tyvars stand, blacksmith's skill, eerie interlude, selfless spirit

>>95962557
Why not just run Minwu Soul Sister? Your board gets stupid big.

Looking at taking Ureni apart for Mono-Red Dragons (Temur Dragons isn't anyone's favorite, who'd have guessed? lmao)
Kinda caught between these three.
>Lathliss
Obviously every dragon becomes a payoff in making a 5/5 Dragon token and she has blanket Firebreathing
>Dragonhawk
Provides burn, impulse draw, and is the lowest cmc of the bunch
>Herigast
Dude it's an Eldrazi Dragon that makes all of my dragons rip their way out of other dragons lmao
Anyone with experience with mono-red tribal Dragons? I figure there has to be an artifact subtheme since most mono-red ramp is either one-time rituals or a lot of artifacts (Gauntlet of Might, Gauntlet of Power, Ruby Medallion, Extraplanar Lens, Throne of Eldraine, etc).

>>95963058
I have a Ganax deck based on dragons and treasures.

>>95963105
What's it like? Do you use a background? I assume something like Guild Artisan

>>95963109
Yes. There's a lot of dragon or red cards that work well with treasures or artifacts so the deck pretty much builds itself. I could just add a color but I like having an easy/cheap mana base.

>>95962988
>are you currently in selesnya?
yeah
I tried to not use too many expensive cards, but my table's power level seems to be increasing and that teferi's protection is looking better every day
>>95963001
I mostly wanted to make lifelink work, the plan was to attack big and then get big counters. I actually have an orzhov cleric deck which is actually pretty funny thanks to some of the tribal support it has.

>>95963125
That's exactly why I'm not adding a color, despite several Gruul or Izzet options, or even keeping Ureni, a cheap and easily ramped up manabase appeals to me. Any particular all-stars I should be aware of? I'm thinking of going with Dragonhawk for the low CMC and built in draw/burn pressure. Twinflame Tyrant, Dragon Tempest, Scourge of Valkas, and Terror of the Peaks feel like it gives me a lot of options to just rip people down.
Do you run REB or Pyroblast?

>>95963058
Dragon's Approach + Thrumming Stone
there I solved your archetype

>>95963139
REB, Pyro, and Tibalt's Trickery because I like fucking with people. Cavern-Hoard and Goldspan are obivous staples, and I like the red flip lands from Caverns of Ixalan. Blast furnace hellkite is mono red Atarka, Patron of the Arts is also a cutie. Magda gets you your best cards so she's like the second commander in the deck. Inspiring Statuary is MVP.

>>95963128
The biggest life into conters work in instances instead of amount like Pridemates, so Soul Sisters is perfect for it.
Either way, protection>removal in counters decks since you need to build up. I'd rather have a Flare of Fortitude in my hand than a Farewell most of the time.

>>95963227
makes sense. I've been going at it the wrong way all along.

>>95963310
It also kind of depends on your playgroup. Mine is pretty board wipe heavy, for example. Which means I play more shit like Clever Concealment.

>>95962557
Run Lathiel nigga you get like 100 power on the board in like two turns and you get the best protection spells in the game

>win almost every game I play
>dont even use game changers half the time

https://moxfield.com/decks/G7l_yHNEs0SLF74AALnYaA

this deck for example beat a bunch of 4s using non-stop game changers, mana drain, jeska's will. last night 2 players got salty and refused to play with me again.

>extract turn 1 remove kozilek from gitrog deck
>making a few deep sea krakens on turn 4
>getting focused so I bribery archon of ojer tak and ocelot pride out of ceasar deck
>they board wipe
>gitrog player seethes when I flash out time spiral when he casts dread return
>clone legion kefka player + season of weaving to bounce non-tokens
>narsets reversal ruinous ultimatum (without mana rocks he cant cast it again)
>denying wind all of kefka's combos out of his deck
>get 4 copies of shadow of the second sun on me, can now infinitely suspend time warp
>(it's turn 13)

new thread

>>95963549
>>95963549
>>95963549

How would you build around this guy?

Is there any way to make him good (like low-mid bracket 4) with the restrictions he has?