Thread 96024205

PT: >>96018898

Smug tree edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Gay Bolas
https://e621.net/post/index/1/nicol_bolas

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: If you could unban one card and ban one card, what would you choose?

>>96024205 (OP)
Unban Sylvan Primordial (move to GC)
Ban Rhystic Study

TQ: Unban Shahrazad

>>96024237
>wasting a ban on a card that is easily invalidated

>>96024237
>Spells opponents cast cost 1 more mana.
Huh?

>>96024205 (OP)
>TQ
FREE MY NIGGA LEOVOLD
ban the puzzlebox if it's a dealbreaker to achieve that

>TQ
Unban Tolarian Academy (or Invoke Prejudice)
Ban Glacial Chasm

>>96024205 (OP)
Unban Tinker
Ban Sol Ring

>>96024291
Would Leovold warp cEDH? I legitimately can't see a reason to keep him banned for casual when the Tergrid and Braids argument applies to him.

https://files.catbox.moe/c3dvvu.pdf
Reposting my goblin tokens because the old thread was really fucking dead.

>>96024412
>cEDH
who cares lmao
>>96024383
>ban glacial chasm
learn to run land interaction?

>>96024497
The only reason to have any official ban list is cEDH, for casual people can just rule 0 it.

>>96024383
I can tell you've never had a Field of the Dead or Gaea's Cradle pop up in your meta. Every single color can deal with it.

Always run land hate. Always. Even if it's just Beast Within.

>>96024526
>The only reason to have any official ban list is cEDH
common mistake
that's like saying the only reason to have any official ban list is for vintage
>for casual people can just rule 0 it
rule 0 is for your friends
every random has their own idea of what makes a good edh game and what cards spoil that and when you have people itt unironically afraid of fucking diabolic tutor rule 0 is just untenable when playing with strangers

>>96024205 (OP)
>TQ
Rofello, Llanowar’s Emissary

Two green to play Cabal Coffers from the command zone is good but is right in line with our current mana production cards. It only works with forest cards and it’s very easy to remove.

In the 99 it’s only good if you have Yavimaya on the field or if you’re running mono green. As a commander it’s clearly inferior to Selvala and locks you into mono-green.

https://moxfield.com/decks/bJzcwF-MGEGTXPv4ywAjoA

Anyone here play Duel Commander? Can you guys help me cut cards from this list? I need to remove 3

>>96024412
well he was banned way before bowmasters and given the prelevalence of them, leo would likely be dying fast under wheels. There aren't that many instant speed wheels (even if there is way more flash enablers now) and the issue only really is exemplified with instant-lock like puzzle box that shuts down recovery

>>96024497
>learn to run land interaction?
Always do, it's more that I don't WANNA lmao
It's more that it's one of the few cards whenever I'm deckbuilding that I always have to think about just in case. Demo Field has never let me down, but sometimes I like to not think about it.
>>96024562
You know, I've seen Field of the Dead, but I've actually never seen a real Gaea's Cradle at my LGS now that you mention it. I'm gonna keep an eye out in other games for it now too.
>>96021898
I forgot to reply to this one. Yeah I go through a lot of iterations of what I wanna build, it's pretty taxing
Right now I have a full list for Kolaghan and figure I'll probably build that when money returns to the kingdom.
https://archidekt.com/decks/14304302/screams_from_the_sky

>>96024661
Your mana-base looks non-functional and the deck looks pretty bad.
Some stand-out cuts I guess
>Vexing devil is neither a spell to trigger your commander nor a creature for her to pump
>Connecting the dots being mid card-draw for similar reasons
>Train heist is a little win-more
There's a lot of cards you probably could be running but aren't, I'd look to other Balmor lists if if you can find any, there's probably a good amount of overlap with malcom lists.
>>96024497
>>96024562
I kind of understand the hate for glacial chasm. It's basically just a pubstomp card that only hates on decks that are already shit.

>>96024497
There are 3 cards that specifically Exile lands anon. Not really a good plan

>>96024777
You don't have to exile it, retard. Kill it when you're going for a win.

Has anyone else played Ghave? Is it stupid to rely on having him out and how many non token generators and sac outlet effects should I have? My deck is pretty loaded with rares that have to do with +1/+1 counters or multiply +1/+1 countrrs or just are undying creatures to cheese it.

>>96024583
There is literally no official mtg banlist you are aware right? Every format has their own...

Ovika, my cute autistic wife!

>>96024786
Better hope they have zero responses and youre the only person in this scenario with interaction lol. You do have to exile it because its too easy to recur

>>96024816
why do we even have banlists for standard and modern when they're just pale imitations of true competitive gaming, vintage?
it's funny that people are perfectly fine with such a notion but god forbid wotc says that gaea's cradle is too strong for bracket 2

I wish I could sleep next to Thalia. Just feeling her warmth and her body curling up against mine. Just feeling her lips alighting on my cheek and neck from time to time. It hurts that she will never desire me. No woman does. I've been on dates and kissed girls but none of them wanted it. They just did it to be nice. Then they never called me again. It hurts but none of it hurts as much as Thalia's rejection. I know it is ridiculous to expect to be worthy of her when she is so perfect, so beautiful, so kind, so virtuous. I could never give her anything. Soon I'll be unemployed with severe erectile dysfunction and weak and ugly. At least I'm not fat that's the only good thing about me. I have nothing to offer Thalia, or any woman for that matter. I wish i could forget she ever existed. I was happy as a NEET incel before her.

>>96024820
>its too easy to recur
>completely ignored me saying that you should destroy it when you're going to kill the player
you're a retard x 2

>>96024840
Only good post ITT so far

>>96024843
I did not ignore that at all its simply an asinine response. Some things need to be dealt with before your attempted alpha strike but you very clearly do not play the game anon so you wouldn't know that

>>96024864
>y-you dont play the game
>you have to deal with them not taking damage before you want to deal damage
why? are you stupid? who cares if Glacial Chasm sits there if you aren't explicitly trying to damage them yet? Do you just whirlwind slam your removal the moment you get it? Do YOU play the game, anon?

>>96024820
>Better hope they have zero responses
baffling response from you ngl
the responses a lands player would even consider running would be things like heroic intervention so it doesn't mattter if it's destroy or exile lmao if they have it they have it so just run some land hate man

>>96024817
Needs coomette version

>>96024817
>7 mana
What's the point when commanders get removed immediately?

>>96024889
>if you aren't trying to damage them
If there is ever a round where you aren't trying to damage your opponents you're a dogshit player or no games. Stop larping its painfully obvious

>>96024943
Holy shit it's retarded. You don't have to have an opinion on everything when you don't know what you're talking about.

>>96024914
This is somehow even dumber than the post i replied to congratulations
>just run land hate
Every deck i have is minimum 20 pieces of interaction. Usually at least 3-4 can hit lands. That does not prevent permanents from being poorly designed

>>96024950
All you've done is screeching retard while having the most basic and low IQ takes imaginable. Just save removal for pha strike is so dumb to suggest as the chasm prevents you from getting there to begin with. So at that point you are juat sitting around playing godawful draw-go magic until you *hopefully* get into your Christmas land scenario to do so. All the while no one tries to impede you of course!

Mabel is so cute. Too bad mice are terrible

>>96024943
>If there is ever a round where you aren't trying to damage your opponents you're a dogshit player or no games.
i like opponents that perma goad themselves lol
>>96024953
>That does not prevent permanents from being poorly designed
how new? artifacts have been broken since 1993 and lands are op in non-cedh games, damn who knew some card types are better than others
for someone that says "no games" you inadvertently self-report kek

>>96024964
I really wanted to build this but it's fucking awful

>>96024943
How low is your pod's IQ?

>>96024969
>perma goad
Weird response to me having 7 creatures that can attack and swinging 2-4 of them
>random projection about being new
Okay?

>>96024961
>I whirlwind slam my removal nonstop no you're a nogames
Lmao

>>96024961
So are you admitting you don't save removal for when it's tactically beneficial? That isn't the own you think it is. I'm ignoring the rest of that retarded monologue because it's irrelevant when you still have no idea what you're talking about.

>>96024978
>doesn't know that aggro that doesn't have vigilance also needs to hold back sometimes to prevent crackbacks from a different opponent
with a shallow understanding of the game like yours no wonder glacial chasm stops you lol

>>96024978
>dude I always have 7 creatures
Lmao
>I'm not goaded I just attack nonstop and cant let a turn go by with 1-2 points of chip damage
Goated Goaded retarded

Sex with rats?
No, okay. I'll see myself out.

>>96024754
What's so terrible about the manabase or the deck itself if I may ask

>>96025125
>that flavor text
very ironic, as there's nothing cute in mtg UW

>>96024964
Maybe if Bloomburrow was a proper 3-set block we'd have enough viable Mice for a fun deck.

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96024999
I do? Do you understand thst incremental damage wins games in the real world anon?
>>96024979
No?
>>96025021
See first reply. Incremental damage is a core part of tempo and just how the vast majority of games are won

Its a very nogames morning

>>96025048
This but goblins

>>96025196
it's a very scrub games morning today as incremental damage pales in comparison to infinite combos, which btw bypasses the glacial chasm you're so afraid of

>>96025069
Basic count is reasonable if you're trying to do the blue moon thing(you're not), but you need fetches and more duals. You'll miss on just Balmor mana a lot of the time and even when you draw both colors, when so many of your spells are 1 cmc drawing too many red lands and blue spells or vice versa will lose you games.
Your threats and interaction are both just kind of underwhelming and there are a lot of baffling exclusions like Daze or Flame of Andor.

>>96024964
It's odd that. It seemed like mice were being set up for being the face tribe of the set but by the end it seemed like we got more usable rats out of the set.

>>96025207
Depends entirely on the infinite combo there numbnuts

>>96025048
That's not a rat, that's a human with props and bad dentistry. It's not good enough unless you're at least halfway on the furry anthropomorphism scale. I know effort is foreign to AI bros, but come on

>>96025241
glacial chasm fails to something as slow and telegraphed as sanguine-exquisite, never mind faster ones
and i'm not even getting into "i win combos" yet, that'll really blow your mind you scrub

>>96025148
>3-set block
God I miss that shit. Even if we had two set blocks that would be something. Now they treat the commander decks like a shitty second block and call it a day

>>96025245
Finally, some hot rat girls. You got a gallery for the full arts?

>>96024421
Is that Vanripper art?

>>96025199
>>96025048
This has nothing to do with mtg, please kill yourselves

>>96025259
I gotchu brotha
https://files.catbox.moe/082hn4.zip

>>96024205 (OP)
>unban
my boy
>ban
sol ring

>>96025258
The old blocks helped mechanics actually mesh together. Block, core, extra fun thing like Planechase, block. That's how it should still be. What the fuck was that 'Dragonstorm' story they mentioned that was Bloomburron, Aetherdrift, and Dragonstorm when none of them were linked together at all thematically or narratively?

Is pic related a fun commander? I'm thinking of making pirate theft tribal but worried it will be jank people hate playing against.

>>96024205 (OP)
>TQ: If you could unban one card and ban one card, what would you choose?
Unban Primetime. Ban Rhystic Study.

>>96025258
3 set block system was so dimes. They could also tell coherent stories this way.

>>96025287
Thanks bro. I really dig the variety of these.

>>96024928
If she doesn't get immediately removed, you win. But then again, if she does you lose. Its a great deck if you like gambling

>>96025376
Fun is subjective. If you play that at the LGS you're gonna run into the turbo autists that rage when other people touch their cards

>>96025376
>Worried people hate playing against
>theft
Sorry anon but you're already screwed from the get. Theft, right next to mill, is one the most hated archetypes you could play.

>>96025376
You've already fucked up by mentioning theft in these threads. We got some turbo spergs that will act like touching their cards is equivalent to sodomising their favourite MCU funkopop

>>96025409
>Theft, right next to mill, is one the most hated archetypes you could play.
This just makes me feel way better about my Kediss/Falthis threaten tribal deck. I WILL take your commander and I WILL punch you in the face with it

>>96025419
That's what appeals to me about it the most- triggering spergs and noobs while beating them in the head with their own favorite creatures.

>>96025376
the command zone used Don Andres for an episode, seemed pretty fun. you should check the vid, or at least the deck list, out if you're interested in building him.
that said, I think he's the kind of commander people dislike playing against, since you not only take their cards but keep them on the battlefield under your control.
another commander I would aesthetically/thematically like to build that I "can't".

>>96025261
Just AI emulating it.

>>96025376
uh oh prepare for the antitheft schizo to troll and shitpost for the next fucking 12 hours

>>96025376
>Unban Primetime
It's not happening without 25 lands being added to the GC list (which should probably happen anyway)

>>96025376
He can be pretty oppressive, but I prefer pic related since he has a theft engine built directly into him.

>>96025446
>(which should probably happen anyway)
Should've fucking happened when the GC list was created. There's a ton of bullshit ass lands the game would be much better without

>>96025435
All of the commanders that appeal to me most are the ones people like playing against the least.

>>96025434
>>96025419
Best part of playing theft isn't hitting people with their creatures, it's hastily scooping up other people's cards with yours at the end of game and going home with a couple extra shocklands.
Anyway Don Andres sucks, he doesn't do anything.

>killed all 3 other players at the table while at 1 life yesterday
What a fun game that was.

>>96025476
I like Don Andres because he's a conquistador and very unPC to wokefags

>>96025505
Same, but in a different way

>>96025419
Do most players not just grab whatever cards you want whenever you want to read them? If someone is so dirty that you don't want them to touch your cards you shouldn't be playing with them.

>>96025376
nah, the vast majority of theft cards suck ass

>>96025510
>designed by wotc
>approved by wotc
>printed by wotc
>yeah this card is super based for being antiwoke
go outside

>>96024205 (OP)
Bey bros. Been out of the game for the past 13-14 years. I found my old decks and realized a bunch of cards I used are now banned. I've got a pic related deck I want to tweak. Need a Rofellos replacement.

I also heard there is a website you can enter your deck in and it gives it a power rating 1-5, or breack/tier.

>>96025512
I don't disagree, I'm just conveying what the reaction has often been when theft got brought up

>>96025512
I have not run into anyone yet who just grabs cards, everyone asks me to read the card or asks to see the card.

What are some cards that make you feel like this?

>>96025510
>portraying the conquistadors as comedically evil vampires is unpc and triggers the libs

>>96024205 (OP)
>Unban
Leovold
>Ban
Island

>>96025568
I remember when they swept the popularity stuff back for the original Ixalan releases but WOTC had the natives win the race for the Immortal Sun anyways.

>>96025574
There were popularity polls?

>>96025574
they're an awesome concept that works well for everyone regardless of if you like or dislike vamps and dislike or like the real life conquistadors

If I made this a creature, then flipped it, would it stay a creature? No, right? Seems obvious but sometimes there are weird rules with this shit.

>>96025574
But Gay Bolas won the race.

>>96025589
Flipped it how? As in "turn it upside down, it becomes a 2/2 colorless creature" from a spell/ability?

>>96025589
It's effect exiles it first as part of being flipped. It would lose any effects that were effecting it once it's exiled and wouldn't come back with them.

>>96025589
No because it is exiled and then returned as the back side.
>>96025606
The rules text is right there.

>>96025568
Just seeing a Conquistador helmet triggers woketards, even though Cortez and his men never wore helmets like that.
>>96025580
Yes, there was a popularity poll of different factions in Ixalan block. Vampire Conquistadors won by a landslide, then WotC got mad and changed the results

>>96025620
>The rules text is right there.
Okay dipshit you wanna explain it better, then? "Made this a creature" how? Target artifact becomes a creature? Activating its craft? Enchanting it to become a creature? If you're going to ask an unclear question, you should expect a bad answer

What do you guys think would be a good deck combination for two headed commander?

two all out sliver decks?
a hard control deck and a combo deck?
two poison/proliferate decks?

>>96025651
Two lads at my local are going double krenko for the hell of it.
Poison/prolif would work very well though yeah

a buddy of mine gave me these last night and said i had to build a praetor deck as my next deck

>>96025446
>>96025459
name those 25 lands

>>96025704
Islands x25

>>96025699
Tell him to go fuck himself and he can't tell you what to do

>>96025651
Xyris and Nekusar

thanks to the anons who gave me tips on how to improve my xenagos deck, it's a lot more fun to play now.
https://moxfield.com/decks/ArQkB6_bhk2obkziVrPUSg
the land base is still a bit rough around the edges, interaction and protection feel weak at times, and some pet cards probably clog up the roster (Summon Titan, Thought Vessel), but the overall experience has been great.
the biggest changes I made were some general goodstuff like Exploration and a bunch of creature tutors.
My personal picks include Peema Trailblazer, which turned out to be the best card draw in the deck, just an insane card, and then Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion, the two impulse draw sorceries and even Harmonize, all which saved my ass on slow starts several times. I really enjoyed playing them.
thanks again for the help.

>>96025707
show me on the doll where the big mean counterspell touched you newfag

Back in my day twinks used to just be twinks. Now they're calling themselves women and are more deeply mentally unwell than ever.

This card seems really fucking good or am I retarded?

>>96025771
>something something, attacking in commander, something something, learn to combo fag something something

>>96025699
Remember to run this for increased fun.

>>96025704
I think you know full well that was hyperbole, anon but here are a few that would become way too powerful if prime time is let off the leash and can tutor them up constantly.
Cabal Coffers
Urbog
Deserted Temple
Dark Depths
Field of the dead
Glacial Chasm
Wasteland
Boseiju
Yavimaya
Urzas mine
Urzas power plant
Urzas Tower
Vesuva
Strip mine
Maze of ith

>>96025699
you get to run my favorite Praetor

>>96025750
should've gatekept harder

>>96025784
kek

>>96025777
yeah the entire deck was gonna be around realmbreaker and pure phyrexians, he knew i always wanted to build it so he just gave me the stuff so i have a start, i wanna max out on phyrexian language cards
i also have a thing for elesh norn so im adding every copy of her

>>96025737
It was a joke, I was being silly.
I thought it was pretty obvious, there is no need to get mad lmao

>>96025784
field of the dead and glacial chasm are already GCs you moron
>dark depths
>urborg and yavimaya
>wasteland and strip mine?!
>too strong for bracket 3
holy noob

>>96025822
With the inclusion of prime time, yes, otherwise no
Did you forget about that part?

White go the closest thing they'll ever have to a Rampant Growth.
I can't see anyone ever casting this for anything other than it's "warp" cost

>>96025830
It's downright free in an angel tribal
I have no idea why gods strongest soldiers have such a high mana cost

>>96025828
>as if primetime isn't going to be made a GC
>doesn't know the other broken things running around in bracket 3
>not knowing that teshar and other combo decks will run circles around slow ramp decks
holy fucking noob

>>96025646
>"Made this a creature" how?
Literally irrelevant.
>If you're going to ask an unclear question, you should expect a bad answer
The question is very clear and if you can't tell that the person answering a question isn't the same as the person asking it you might want to ask your helper for assistance here.

>>96025843
Anon, it isn't getting unbanned anytime soon.
Just accept it.

Hat set confirmed

>>96025830
Well yeah, the normal cmc seems to overpriced a lot as an offset. But at least they're safe in exile, so it can still come in handy.
Or you just flicker them. Even Sword of Hearth and Home works in this case which is pretty neat.

>>96025852
>gets gtfo
>is now begging for a grudgepost
kekw see you next year when emrakul og is also unbanned

>>96025789
that thing looks fun as fuck

>>96025876
Anon my argument was always that it's not likely to get unbanned, what the fuck are you talking about

I see the illiterate schizo is online again

>>96025879
>Anon, it isn't getting unbanned anytime soon.
>no actually i'm saying it's UNLIKELY to get unbanned
roru rumao

>>96025839
5 mana for a flying 3/2 Knight of the White Orchid is insane.
I hate Wizard's logic on cards with alternative cast costs
>okay because this card is flexible we need to make casting it normally bad to balance it out!
>won't that just make it so no one ever casts it normally and it lives and dies on how powerful the alt cast is?
>5 mana 3/2 NOW!

It's retarded. They completely fucked Omens in Tarkir with the same logic.
Most of the Rooms in Duskmourn are unplayable too.
I think the last time they printed a new flexible mechanic actually worth casting both sides was Adventures. And even then, it bothers me that mechanically "Adventure" better describes Omens, and "Omen" better describes Adventure. And omen is a sign of something to come, so exiling it and being able to cast it will fulfil the prophecy, but if the card is in your deck you may never cast it again so the omen was just wrong. Where as being lost in the deck sounds much more like an adventure than being exiled

>>96025245
I'm just not interested in making dangerously cheesy. but here you go.

>>96025869
>Or you just flicker them.
I honestly think the point at which you're flickering this thing just to put more Plains and 1 drops in hand, you may as well be running Land Tax and Archaeomancer's Map instead, it isn't worth the slot.

>>96025904
I think you might actually be retarded.

>>96025920
Sorry, I meant warp creatures in general. This one looks pretty promising for example. We might get a few more good cards.

>>96025925
>Anon, it isn't getting unbanned anytime soon.
hey it might be unbanned in 5 years, i dunno. but yeah it's an inevitability
>no actually i'm saying it's UNLIKELY to get unbanned
>because why would it be
>because fuck it primetime totally stomps on teshar combo fr fr
the only retarded noob here is you

>>96025936
Are you ESL?
Legitimate question

>>96025784
You just don't want green to have anything.

>>96025933
if I see anyone playing an eldrazi I'm hardfocusing them the rest of the game until one of us is dead

>>96025909
.... would.

>>96025933
We'll see what happens. But as ever, white is getting the cuck chair.

>>96025940
i'm not the one afraid of primetime here buddy boy

>>96025907
It's a limited card, and it's a very good one. It's also probably an ok card for someone cracking packs and playing with what they've got. Do you really expect every uncommon to be an instant auto-include in a format with 30 years worth of cards?

>>96025948
What a meaningful contribution you've made to this thread.

>>96025936
>illiterate
>plays all game based entirely on reading
Why is this so common?

>>96025966
>>96025953

>>96025953
I'll take that as confirmation, thank you.

>>96025951
Hey, being able to tutor skullclamp, shadowspear, sol-ring and esper sentinel with a 2 mana creature is as good as it gets for white.

>>96025971
I don't care about primeval titan, pablo

>>96025972
thanks for the concession that you're afraid of primetime kek
>>96025989
then don't butt in conversations that don't concern you
imagine being afraid of primetime in 2025

>>96025966
Explain what you mean by this

>>96025960
Oh shut the fuck up faggot. Can you not hold a conversation without immediately resorting to the most histrionic bullshit you can think of?
Did I fucking say every card needs to be fucking mythic quality? No.
Did I fucking say all cards need to be busted super juiced bullshit? No.
What did I actually say? I said that this is only worth casting for its alternative cost and that Wizards has a bad habit of balancing alt cast costs very poorly, that the last time they printed alt cast costs where it was actually worth casting both sides in most cases was years ago. And that whatever happens, white will get the short end of the stick.

If you're going to be a fucking faggot and mischaracterize me as saying all uncommons need to be "auto-includes" just don't fucking reply.

>>96025975
I hope you're not referring to Starfield Shepherd here, because if you are you need to re-read the effect.

>>96025849
weren’t you around during new cappena when they pushed bl*ack angels?
you know, that figure always depicted as a pure, beautiful white woman. wotc went around and did a 180º with it :)

Had a blast drafting innistrad remastered last night and now I want to turn it into my first dimir commander deck. I pulled meathook Massacre, necroduality, rooftop storm, gisa and geralf, Gravecaller, and now I need to put this shit to use

Nuclear seethe right now, holy shit.

>>96026010
Okay.

>>96026034
Have you actually seen anyone play this in Commander? It's a terror in Standard but I have literally never seen it anywhere else.

>>96025993
Anon, I was explaining why it isn't likely to get unbanned and was quoting a member of the committee. I never said I was afraid of it or that I didn't want it unbanned.
You seem to have your wires mixed up and are overly hostile for no reason. Please seek medical attention

>>96026010
White is a gay color that only ugly losers play anyways

>>96026010
Having the warp cost is what makes it good, but if this is in your draft deck I imagine you are often casting it on 5 or 6 without warping it.

>>96026043
>committee
there's no more committee, there's only wotc
and you may want to look at how they word their explanations of primetime and og emrkaul and compare it to griselbrand, maybe you'll pick up some context clues and stop being the actual illiterate here

I have embraced jank
>like dwarves
>made magda
>ended up being really boring because optimized builds are just artifact spam
>made me a target
>build these two instead
>Lady is just a landfall/recursion deck disguised as a dwarf deck
>Giott is just boros equip
>lower cost commanders that aren't even worth removing/countering

>>96026041
It wasn't printed in a commander product.

>>96026054
>can't tell anons apart
>repeats back insults he receives
ESL and autistic is not a good combo

>>96026087
>he assumes he's worth telling apart from other anons
don't be shy and tripfag/avatarfag already if it bothers you so much lol

>>96026060
Glad you're having fun anon

>>96026109
Why do you need it to be worth anything? It's completely effortless.

>>96026048
>>96026062
>this card isn't shit, it's actually good in [insert format here]!!!!
This is no justification. Especially fucking draft, which this card will exist in for a matter of weeks.

>>96026047
Is not! White is a cool color for cool kids!

>>96026128
i'm not the one crying that he's confused with other anons here

Where my Torsten bros at

>>96026154
Probably in the woods getting bummed

>>96025048
Cheese louise

>>96025830
Then you're dumb

>>96026060
Low cmc commanders that are slightly non threatening are great

Unban my zesty little elf. I want to play with my $300 foil card again, dammit.

>>96026025
they're pretty fun and have some nice lines to do, zombies do have some soft combos, they're kinda from an era where wotc was experimenting with doing more tribal karadors

>>96024964
Mice are for standard

>>96025777
how does this look for like a quick list, realmbreaker is the only thing i care about resolving but i wasnt sure if i should try to do a backup plan and throw some infect shit or smaller phyrexians

>>96026145
>avoids another question
Based based based

>>96025789
>what weapons should I make for you, my lord?
>AXE SWORD STUFF
>ah, yes, axe-sword-staff, excellent choice

>>96026212
>laughing elf man
>literally being call ROFL

what are fun reanimator decks

>>96026308
There aren't any. Reanimator is for lonely faggots.

>>96026285
>doesn't understand that his question is not worth answering
Yeah that's right i'm based

>>96026323
this

>>96025904
Anon you are aware they mean the same thing right?

>>96026355
>the former implies inevitability of being unbanned
>the latter implies lack of justification for it being unbanned
truly ESL hours here

Muldrotha or Glarb for Artifact Tokens? I want to use the new Lander tokens, Golbez from FF, and self-mill/surveil.

>>96026367
You are actually ESL holy shit.
How have you never heard that phrase in your life lmao

>>96026136
>I don't want every card to be super juiced mythic level!
>Why isn't this draft uncommon super juiced mythic level?!
I thought you were whining about the alternate cost being the only way to cast it, why are you going back to this?

>>96025830
This card is awful

>>96026377
>i'm not dying anytime soon (because i'm young)
>i'm unlikely to die (because i'm immortal lol)
you wish i kys but in truth you're an esl that is way over his head, sorry language is hard for you

Sometimes I get mad on here and then I remember that half of americans are functionally illiterate and it explains so much

Swordbro, yay or nay?

>>96026473
I dont really care since I have anon turned on for everyone

>>96025771
Perfectly workable card especially if you go wide with tokens and can use the mana to create more

>>96026428
I'm talking about the specific phrase, are you dense?
Of course a different phrase would have a different meaning than the colloquial one
This is genuinely retarded

why doesn't Moraug count as taking extra turns? this guy fucks hard so hard in green, it's insane

>>96026630
>>96026355
thanks for finally admitting they mean different things
it's fine though, i forgive you
being afraid of primetime causes weird things to people, i mean some people are afraid of diabolic tutor after all

>>96026648
I always wonder what percentage of people play him wrong. Above 50%?

>>96026653
Oh it really is retardation then lmao.

The amount of seethe I get for maindecking this in all of my white decks is insane.

>>96026675
>tokens no longer give "enter graveyard" triggers
just might have to run this, damn!

What are you guys up to?
Making any cool decks? Sleeving something up?
Let's have some discussion instead

>>96026655
you mean people trying to trigger his extra combat phase before their first combat phase?

>>96026691
Playing Spelltable rn, Tivit v Sokrates v Arthur v Storm
Turn 6 and everyone's just boardstate building

>>96026707
Yes, not realising that creatures don't untap for the normal combat phase at the end.

>>96026691
making it a project to go through my decks and fix/upgrade where possible and break the deck up for scraps where it's not.
I have a couple of decks that I played a couple of times, went poorly, and never got around to fxing them, so it could lead to some fun down the line.
first up was making the coven-based white-green token deck from innistrad human-themed by removing a lot of the general token-makers and putting in some utiltiy Human creatures.
also FINALLY a chance to FINALLY make use of this card, which I think is one of my favourite across magic for its aesthetic art and function

>>96026691
Trying to brew Jenova without including a bunch of mutants from fallout

>>96026746
Same actually

What bracket is a Jon Irenicus deck that forces stalemates with islandhome creatures if it never technically wins any games?

>>96026760
bracket 1 because you don't care about winning and you're weird enough to want to send a message about islandhome

>>96026691
Brewing my Mishra vehicle deck to have more creatures to crew with. Mostly token generators and mainly thopers
Soon assembling my new Y'shtola control/stax deck. I don't think it's gonna be that revolutionary though.
Also brewing a Clive deck for a friend. Big mana and devotion into big value and hopefully one-shot kills. But I'm not sure if the last part will work that well yet.

>>96026733
yeah, that's what I meant, you need to hold your land drops for your second main phase

>>96026691
Currently retooling my Goreclaw deck to run lower to the ground with creatures that can potentially be cast for a single mana or two to maximize use of my draw engines. Right now I'm considering adding a storm line with this thing to pay off Aeve and Chatterstorm.

>>96026691
waiting for stuff in the mail but im debating on what to cut and add for my current enchantress yshtola

>>96025948
hey, anon. that's pretty cool
however, I must inform you that we live in the year of our lord 2000+20+5 and fucking animals is nothing too weird.
so, in short there is no need for ellipsis in your post. that is simply old form and I hope we can come to an agreement that everyone is welcome in our community without it being weird. in fact, the bigger the tits on the card the better! there has been another anon recently who has posted some lewd goblin proxies and I would highly encourage you reply to him too for some great discussion what you like to fuck.
no need to thank me. I'm just doing my part

>>96026143
What is Ugin filling Gay Bolas with every night? That's right. WHITE MANA.

>>96026308
beamtown bullies

>>96024497
Speaking of, does Blood Moon out it? What about Dwarven Driller?

>>96024497
>destroy land
>they just replay it
there needs to be cheap land exile ASAP

>>96026759
So far I'm thinking blitz

>>96024786
you actually do have to, in fact, exile it

>>96025849
Many such cases

>>96026815
>Give me (you)s!

>>96026675
>mtg players filtered by fucking macro cosmos
Lmao

>>96026691
Just in the cringe mines while I try and finally figure out if I just upgrade the Temur Aetrherdift precon to make a vehicle deck or just say fuck it and build Depala.

>>96024889
this is how it goes
>they play chasm, cast their creatures or whatever
>they are now ready to block anyway if you remove the land
>being only one card that doesn't cost mana they can just loop it if you don't kill in one shot
>if you try and build an army they also have one since having the land costs nothing
so not only do you have to get rid of the land, you also have to get rid of their army wihtout destroying your own
and that's all just best case scenario

>>96025253
fucken anything scoops to combos this is NOT happening

>>96026871
EDH players in general are hard filtered by anything that requires removal even if it died to Raigeki. Asking them to kill backrow may as well be asking them to remove Rhongo with 8 materials while also under Secret Village and Royal Decree.

>>96025720
>Peema Trailblazer
That's a surprisingly powerful tech choice. Probably borrow this for my own deck.

>>96026897
Why play a bad vehicle commander when you could play a good one instead?

>>96026963
>Off theme good stuff commander
Because that's boring.

If I play green you bet your ass I'm playing this little fella.

>>96026941
god i remember when people were maining fucking xyz encore on the chance they had to fight rhongo
maybe decades of playing yugioh is why im used to seeing intereaction and running tons of removal compared to the timmy pods i would see joining randoms

>>96026972
depala and saheeli are even worse on that metric, and making pilots off the vehicle cast is good

>>96025830
White already has a decent amount of ramp. Catch up ramp, but it means you can stay decently close to whoever is in the lead land wise. The creature search is a good option to have. I've been using Ranger of Eos for that for a while now in my mono white so having an option I can use for either a plains or a cheap creature isn't half bad.

>>96026760
Early game infinite makes it a 4.

>>96026984
>Finding powerful vehicles and/or pilots while you crew or making powerful vehicles with a contained engine
>Better than making some spirits that might not even able to crew anything.
Nah.I'll stay on theme.

>>96027008
>goodstuff slop is ok when its "on theme"
Let me guess: simic player?

Is this still a viable General for 1v1?

>>96027015
>Neither of my commanders by your own admission were good stuff
Brain damaged?

>>96026308
Lately I've been wanting to try Six as a reanimation commander. Not really in the color that usually does it so there could be something cool there to experiment with. He's already preformed perfectly as alt commander in my Muldrotha.

>>96027015
>Precon commanders
>Good stuff
What a weird world.

>>96027016
No.

>>96026655
I imagine a good deal don't realize he doesn't give an extra main phase like a lot of other extra combat cards do.

>>96026972
>off theme
>vehicles -- non creature spells
>spirits -- crews vehicles
>mana is just nice for everyone
The ones you named ar objectively more "good stuff" in regards to the theme. Dumb NIGGER

>>96027084
>>off theme
>>vehicles -- non creature spells
>>spirits -- crews vehicles
>>mana is just nice for everyone
Yes, anon, but he has no direct synergy with vehicles, he is just "good stuff" at the helm.
This isn't complicated, but you're just going to keep seething because you can't grasp the simple concept of being on a theme.

>>96025830
White has cards that actually put lands into play for 2 mana. Youre a fucking newfag holy shit

>>96027099
>no direct synergies
Except whenever you play one you create a pilot to crew it. Synergy =/= blatantly spells it out for you. There is a very pbjective and quantifiable synergy with vehicles there lmao

>>96027118
>Doesn't understand what theme means
Keep seething though, not taking your suggestion, he's boring.

Any fun combo & themes for prosper tome bound? I'm thinking of building this commander and adding some jank for my own amusement like game of chaos rakdos isn't a color combo I've built yet so just trying to make it fun

>>96026972
Holy EDH brain. What are you a fucking Yugioh player? You need the card to explicitly say vehicle to fit some imaginary standard in your head? Why do I even come here man you guys are so fucking stupid. Half of the damn game is finding synergy between cards not having it spelled out for you and I cannot believe how many newfags can't grasp that. If I wanted cards to be "DARKNESS FAGGOT DRAGON SEARCHES NEO DARKNESS FAGGOT DRAGON MK II ALL OF YOUR NEO DARKNESS FAGGOT DRAGONS NEGATE THE FIRST SPELL EACH TURN" I'd be in the yugioh general posting smug anime girls and showing off my linear builds itself deck.

>>96027149
Holy sperg

>>96027156
Where do you think you are?

>>96026691
Ordered upgrades for Mutant Menace, made a Captain Howler deck, ordered some katana sleeves to try out and am currently theory crafting a deck for Gimli.

>>96027126
>vehicles
>non creature spells
>not on theme by rewarding you for playing vehicles
Im afraid you just have a dumdum doodoohead brain anon

>>96027197
Why does a bird monk care about shoving spirits into cars?
He synergies, yes, but I find that boring, once again, this is not a hard concept to grasp.

Where is this list from?

>>96025999
Living in the world requires reading. Do you think all illiterate people should just die or sum?

>>96027275
What list

>>96026308
Abdel/Agent

>>96027287

Sorry this one.

>>96027050

The absolute most unbearable part of playing with noobs is that when someone has all but won the game and they have no response and just sit staring at the two cards in their hand for like five minutes hmming and hurming. If the guy across from you has eighteen 9/9 wraiths with menace and One Ring protection and you have four tokens on the board with no removal or protection or anything in your hand, fucking scoop. I'm typing all this out and it’s still going on. And now it’s still his turn and he’s explaining how he could have won of he drawn the cards he had needed to win. No fucking shit nigga, oh finally he passed the turn and died. Oh no he’s shuffling through his Zurgo precon and now wants to explain some more how he could have won if his board state and hand were completely different, fuck me

>>96027275
mtg top 8

>Bonding Agent
>Artifact
>If you are playing commander, exile this card from your starting deck before the game begins. You may choose a legendary creature card. That card becomes your commander in addition to your current commander. You begin the game with 30 life.

>>96027302
it's natural to feel a little salty when a comeback was so close but learning to turn that into a funny joke is a social skill that not everyone can do unfortunately

>>96025048
Cheesed to meet them
>Pack rate

How do we make slow commanders great again

>>96026746
>>96026759
problem with jenova is drawing cards doesn't do anything if all they are is bad creatures

>>96027302
WAAC fags are very annoying. Just scoop already

>>96027374
just scoop

>>96027302
I cast fog

>>96027268
moving the goalposts cuz you said earlier he had no synergies with vehicles

>>96027341
by agreeing with everyone that they play slow commanders too, duh

>>96027398
I said he didn't have direct synergies, meaning, does something with vehicles directly, which I may have worded wrong, but I'll said he was boring and not on theme from the start.
Which is still both true. He's boring, you build him, I won't.

>>96026400
Rampant Growth to hand isn't bad for white, but 5 mana for 3/2 flying Knight of the White Orchid is shit

>>96027322
This feels cool. But it would probably lead to some ridiculous combos. Wouldn't mind a version of this that could let nonlegendary stuff be commander.

>>96027422
he creates pilots on vehicle cast which are how vehicles work

>>96027435
>5 mana for 3/2 flying Knight of the White Orchid
It isn't even that. Knight of the White Orchid puts it on the field. That angel can't even do that and instead puts it too hand. If not for it searching for one cost creatures I'd think it totally unplayable.

>>96027447
>>96027268
Learn what theme means already.

>>96027467
>cloning a car is on theme
>ghost riding the whip isn't
you are a fake car enjoyer

Do you think they'll ever make backdoor partners for existing legendaries?

>>96027492
>backdoor partners
Halana and Alena, Buttbuddies is already a card

>>96026691
Making a low power shit tier mono red dragon deck with Inferno of the Star Mounts as a commander. Also I might consider doing a deck with Garland. Had a game store do the “whoops we didn’t get enough stock and conveniently didn’t refund you” shit too.

>>96026691
I will proliferate all the charge counters ||poison too||

>>96027302
Why the fuck is this art not on a Gisa card?

>>96027558
Because it's on Heartless Summoning, silly.

>>96027564
but why?

>>96027500
weak attempt at a joke desu

>>96026691
Gonna build a crime-less pic related maybe, since my playgroup complains I play too many removal/counter spells

>>96025348
this card really is the perfect example of "dude, why"

>>96027623
some decks recover from this sort of mass bounce better than others blue's not one of them though so fuck if I know

>>96027654
i think its pretty much the case of floating shitton of mana or infinite and then casting upheaval to just replay everything you lost

>>96027623
Because I have creatures on suspend.

>>96027623
>>96027654
You can cast worldfire for the sole purpose of fucking everyone and that's legal
I don't see any reason why a 6 mana blue worldfire is banned instead of a GC, other than gavin once again being inconsistent and arbitrary

>>96027668
>blue Worldfire
But sway of the stars is unbanned

>>96027672
Sway doesnt touch permanents though

>>96027623
used to be pretty fun back in the day

>>96027678
My bad sway does and yes upheaval should be unbanned because of that

>>96027668
worldfire progresses the game at least on its own, if you aren't already winning >>96027659

>>96027684
Sway isn't banned because it sets life totals generally to be fairly low.

>>96027702
I dont see why upheaval not touching life totals is the only reason it's banned though
Yes its better than worldfire in both trolling and actually winning. So too is demonic better than diabolic. And yet upheaval is banned instead of a GC because gavin cant let go of antiquated reasons

>>96027717
1. Doesn't move the game forward, infact only moves the game backwards.
2. it is 6 mana, where sway and world fire are 9+ mana

>>96027732
1. You can troll better with upheaval
2. You can win better with upheaval
3. So why is upheaval not the GC version of worldfire, like demonic is the GC version of diabolic?

What's a fun/good equipment deck? Or one that can put to good use the Sword of fire and ice and Sword of feast and famine I just bought

>>96027748
Literally all of them.

>>96027717
Because no one is going to enjoy the game when some dumb fag casts upheaval on turn 6 to "le troll xD" the table and just make everyone replay the last 5 turns.

>>96027717
Upheaval is too accessible to people who just want to cast it to troll the game or use it as annoying panic button the same way they do with Farewell when behind.

>>96027761
>>96027740

All fast mana should be banned

I actually won a game witth zenos' trigger. I just happened to have a removal spell to transform him and akroma's will to kill the weakest player in the same turn, and everyone had just spent their interaction. Truly transcendental.

>>96027741
not all ban demands are because of ease of getting it. Some people feel that the swing it provides as a mana positive rock for 1 is too much and breaks parity with pretty much every other legal mana rock.

>>96027740
>You can troll better with upheaval
this is why the card is banned still essentially while WF and Sway aren't

>>96027766
>>96027740

>>96027761
>>96027766

Anon just wants to be a fag at his LGS and needs more dildos to play with no real reasoning with him

>>96027780
>you can tutor better with demonic
>which also means you can troll more efficiently with demonic
So why is demonic a GC then?

>>96027796
>cant refute the argument
Concession accepted

>>96027806
your argument was refuted anon you are just too retarded to get it I fear.

>>96027782
Worldfire is nine mana and will automatically put the game into an end state regardless if the player casting it is trolling or not.

>>96027741
im honestly fine with people playing anything but if i had to ban a card it would be sol ring just because its an overpowered and boring auto include in every single deck

>>96027807
Nah man you're just afraid of upheaval even though i advocated for it to be a GC
Ironically you'd rather have your time wasted with worldpurge in bracket 2 as long as people spend 2 more mana for the priviledge lmao

>>96027796
they cute :)

>>96027796
sex with fruit

>>96027819
Worldpurge is MLD you dingus

>>96027819
two mana more and it being two color actually makes the card balance completely different, have fun with your no-games though anon.

I don't even know why people still argue about the banlist when it's always been nonsensical and just amounted to "stuff Sheldon didn't like in his playgroup" and the power 9 (8)

>>96027811
The fact that worldfire makes people 1 life makes it a worse troll card
The fact that worldfire is 9 mana in a worse color and forces you into suspend makes it a worse win condition
Upheaval is better in every single way, just like demonic, and yet the latter can be played even though demonic is just a 2nd copy of your worst troll card

>>96027819
>world purge in bracket 2
Its terminal retardation I fear.

>>96027796
Deck for this feel bros?

>>96027827
So is worldfire brainlet
>>96027829
We already have nongames in edh, upheaval doesnt change that kek
I bet you're scared of armageddon too lol

>>96027558
No idea. It would have probably been one of her best if not her best card arts if it was.

>>96027833
get with the times old man we're arguing about brackets that nobody even uses now tell me if if this card is mld or not

>>96027838
Dont you wish gavin would just list the things he hates and be done with it? It'a not like wotc makes any more MLD anyways

>>96027850
I play in bracket 2 anon I dont have to worry about fags like you to begin with.

I just realized I build all my decks to be bracket 2

>>96027866
Notice that i never advocated upheaval to be in bracket 2, if anything i want to troll more efficiently against others that can better defend themselves

>>96027859
>It'a not like wotc makes any more MLD anyways
this actually made me want to check and apparently the last mld they printed was 7 years ago

>>96027870
2 is where the SOVL of EDH lies

>>96027875
>But think of those poor wotc employees having to check every single card from 2018 below!
It's funny isnt it

>>96027866
>I play in easy mode land
k

>>96027872
>Be in blue or get trolled
It's gay anon. You are gay.

>>96027885
you're playing EDH its literally all easy mode land buddy

>>96027522
>inferno
This cards really cool. Always wanted to build it i feel like his ability would be a fun little mini game amidst a sea of pump spells and other funky business

Upheaval is miserable and basically goes in every blue deck. If you think it should be unbanned you've never actually played with the card.

>>96027888
It's not that easy to troll in b3 when there are only 3 GCs and upheaval already eats 1 on them
With that said i want a thoughtseize that makes all opponents reveal their hands to stop whoever has the bomb card, it's a design space that wotc is weirdly skittish in getting into

i have never actually seen anyone use brackets at any lgs ive been to

>>96027903
think of the epic trolling potential anon

>>96027525
Brother really tried discord spoiler tags :joy_cat:

>>96027903
Believe it or not the higher you go up in brackets the more likely draws become (queue the sam black tweet) and the more upheaval becomes a moot point

>>96027920
draws literally only happen consistently at the top level cEDH meta games where people are so autistic they need to angle shoot single points so they "win"

>>96027945
Thanks for proving that cedh has no use for upheaval then, because draws are so frequent there it defeats the whole purpose of using upheaval to troll people into a draw

>>96027741
>you can only call for card bans if something is expensive or hard to get!!!!!
These threads more than anything have been such an eye-opener to the utterly retarded shit people who play games will believe. This one is going right up there with:
>you can only dislike a strategy if it is powerful and effective!!!!

The difference between turn 1 Sol Ring and no turn 1 Sol Ring is fucking night and day. If 1 person at a table T1 Sol Ring's into Arcane Signet, you might as well fucking scoop. By turn 3, even if they don't do anymore ramp at all, they will have 6 mana to work with, while most everyone else will be on 3. It's insanely busted and putting it into every precon doesn't negate that. Honestly, the fact it's still like a $2.50 card despite being one of the most reprinted cards of all time is a fucking testament to how busted it is.

Said it almost a year ago now, but if Sol Ring had been the chase-mythic of a set and JewLo had been printed in every precon, the arguments in favor of one but not the other would be exactly the same- that is a bad sign for treating differently.

>>96027964
>Blah blah blah
You have the same chance to have the power as anyone else, in any deck. Its fine, you're a bitch. End of story.

>>96027956
there are 2 other brackets where it'd be legal in if its a GC anon....

>>96027008
Pia is the hottest milf in the game.

>>96027900
>I am playing easy mode in easy mode
Not the best defense

>>96027918
i admit a fuck up, trying to write in multiple places and forgot to do the real spoiler tag, but at this point when i wake up it will be new thread and all guilt associated with it will be gone

>>96027970
>this card completely warps the game, whoever has it first has a massive advantage over everyone else
>but it might be YOU that gets to warp them game!!!!!!!
Actual shit for brains, very impressed that you were able to stop licking windows long enough to type that post.

>>96027976
Bracket 4 is just people wanting their waifus to have cedh power level
Trust me trolling in bracket 3 when upheaval already eats one of your 3 GCs isnt as easy as you think

>>96027986
>my way of playing easy mode is much cooler than your easy mode!

>>96027991
highlight the text you want and hit ctrl+S

>>96027920
>>96027956
Draws are a tournament thing, not a powerlevel thing.
And like most of the banlist, Upheaval is for the health of casual play, not because it's the strongest thing to be doing.
>troll people into a draw
You've never played with upheaval, this isn't what it does. The floor is you throw it into literally any blue deck, float mana, cast it, then play your land for turn and recast your signets that people play 10 of in every deck now.

>>96027983
Objectively untrue but okay.

>>96027902
Inferno is very cool, you can do a neat trick with it and Nettlecyst or anything that adjusts power based on artifacts.
>Equip Nettlecyst to Inferno
>Pump to 20
>Blast something for 20
>Sacrifice a treasure floating a red mana
>Inferno's power decreases to 19 thanks to Nettlecyst
>Pump Inferno with the floating red mana
>Blast something for another 20
>Rinse repeat for every treasure

>>96028005
>casual play is ostensibly bracket 2
>did you catch me wanting upheaval to be in bracket 2? No you didnt
There are better ways to win in bracket 3 than upheaval and when you do cast the upheaval you just prolonged the game to be blown off the board by a dualcaster infinite

>>96027998
3 and 4 dont have the draw problem you're trying to use to justify upheaval being unbanned but go off anon.

>>96027970
That goes for all banned card anon

>>96024205 (OP)
Unban prophet of kruphix
ban roaming throne

Since we're past bump limit anyway, anyone want to argue about mill?

>>96027740
>hehe you can troll better with it!

nofriends nogames type mindset

>>96028020
Nothing stopping you from threatening thoracle with ramirez di pietro, bracket 4 has the same issues, only with goofier commanders
Again, bracket 3 has the tools to bounce back, you do know by resetting the game you allow 2 card infinites to come in right? Lol

>>96028031
I'm not sure why this post makes me laugh

>>96028034
>t. commander rules committee on worldfire, right before they got btfo

>>96028030
>I need to play on your turn, and ban something that only helps tribal decks
kek, worst opinion yet

>>96028008
why does she have 0 synergy with her own charmed apple TRUTH NUKE

>>96028054
its a WOTC decision to keep upheaval banned now anon :^)
maybe if you email Gavin he'll unban it for you just make sure you let him know its for epic reddit trolling

>>96028062
I dont expect upheaval to be unbanned
I'm just calling out gavin for once again being illogical and arbitrary lol

maybe the real upheaval was the friends we made along the way huh bet you never thought of that

>>96028019
Bracket 3 is still casual play, the most popular way to play and while there are better ways to win there's very little downside to just throwing it into most blue decks as a wrath and secondary wincon.

>>96024205 (OP)
>TQ
OG Emrakul. I am willing to change my mind if anyone can present a reasonable strategy that makes her too busted compared to other cards. I do not consider her being the best Sneak Attack target in 2025 a ban worthy offense.

>>96028056
>only helps tribal decks
lol

>>96028075
Upheaval can't really be used to close a game out, Worldfire sets everyone's life total to 1 and can very easily be used to close games out.

>>96028079
>do nothing but wipe the board
>wait until "late game" (turn7)
>thoracle 4tw
So casual, so fun

>>96028031
"No you don't understand I needed that one card to win. That one card in my 100 card deck. And I didn't put in any cards to look for it or fish it out of the garbage."
"Whats a commander?"

>>96028108
multiple people pointed this out to him he'll just fallback to "muh trolling efficiency"

>>96028110
Nobody actually plays like this btw, just these 'what if somebody was a faggot' hypothetical scenario crafters.

>>96028111
It's not about 1 card winning a game though, it's about a card that would be useful to you being on top of your deck, and then dumpstered by millfag

>>96028108
Backread pls
>>96028095
Ulamog is a effectively a cheaper emrakul if you dont care about the extra turn (which btw is 5 mana just like time warp)
OG emrakul is fine and gives ramp decks real teeth if ever a bracket 3 pod ever gets into the late game

>>96028122
>hypothetically, an earthquake can happen at anytime
>meh the odds are low so why think of it
You'll make such a great security officer

>>96028135
Yeah yeah heard it all before, never gonna see it out in the wild buddy.

>>96028121
Trolling with worldpurge is fine but make it 2 mana cheaper and somehow people lose their minds kek

>>96028124
Even if it was already said it bears repeating since it is literally the answer to the question you asked. You're just either too retarded to understand that, or you don't like the answer and have decided to declare it wrong and discard it.
So maybe instead of me backreading, you should try not being an evolutionary cul-de-sac

>>96028141
Actual fags are everywhere and yet you think you wont meet one in a cardgame? Lol

>>96028151
>please spoonfeed me
Kek

>>96028166
Holy shit you actually are retarded.

>>96028147
>every U deck being able to splash a 6 mana spell
vs
>every U/W deck being able to splash an 8 mana spell

literal world of difference in terms of balance in the eyes of commander

are there ways to dodge sacrificing stuff? or is it the one thing you cant really dodge or avoid

>>96028061
Yeah it bothers me a lot. I have all of the Eldraine witches and all of their Legendary Artifacts and hers is the only one I can't justify running in her own deck lol.

>>96028175
we all tried to warn you anon, upheavaltard is a brick wall of autism

>>96028147
Worldpurge empties your manapool retard.

>>96028180
Respond with your own sac outlets. Otherwise, not really

>>96028157
>you wont
Correction anon, I haven't. I haven't run into this mythical angle shooter player you're trying to paint in your cheap hypothetical because he does not exist in the real world. He exists only for the sake of your argument about GC cards.

>>96028177
Ironically white is very good at trolling so good job arguing their mate lmao
>>96028175
Still aint spoonfeeding you sorry

>>96028180
There are a handful of cards that read "this can't be sac'd" or "your shit can't be sac'd"

>>96028123
Are all your other cards garbage? Generally it's smart to build a deck out of useful cards.

>>96028184
>as if i want to use any extra mana to, i dunno, actually win the game
/edhg/ isnt sending their best

>>96028190
>its an aussietist or a britcuck

the puzzle is slowly coming together

>>96028188
Believe it or not i havent experienced an earthquake either

worldfire should be banned

im a goblin and i love mill decks, is ngathod the only "decent" option to atleast have a backup plan or is there any commanders who actually can deck people

>>96028183
That ain't autism, that's just plain old retardation. Either can't properly understand the meaning of words and phrases, or does but chooses to interpret them in whatever way is most advantageous to them.

>>96028225
Welcome to law school 101

>>96028222
careful, people where want to have sex with you
and no, Ngathod is a theft commander, not a mill commander.

>>96028031
i think its funny how mad it makes people despite mill usually being bad

>>96028236
he was originally my tasha deck but my list was already mill heavy, and so i just added more horrors and mill shit

>>96028229
Kek. I was gonna joke about how he's a shoe in for getting a seat in government in a blue state.

>>96028180
I WILL edict your whole board

>>96028031
mill is based, combo trannies are the only ones who seethe at it desu senpai

>>96028244
>despite mill usually being bad
I love, so much, how mill always seems to have the lowest floors or the highest ceilings. No in-between. You either mill trash they didn't need, or mill the wincon and congrats you win

>>96028250
You dont need a retard for that, a glass of water is sufficient

>>96028250
red state*

>>96028253
i was mostly curious if there was any tricky interactions that could give you the potential to dodge
im a savra player so i am the edict

>>96028180
this is the only one i can think of off the top of my head but im pretty sure theres a couple cards with that line of text

>>96028262
very rare doesn't something just directly say "can't be edicted"

>>96028180
Tajuru preserver

>>96028258
one night my buddy played his necron deck when i brought out my mill deck, there was a ur dragon player on the verge of tears because i kept milling his insanely expensive dragons and random unplayable garbage

>>96028200
All my other cards might not be as useful in the specific board state
>need a board wipe
>it's on top of my deck
>now I can see it's gone and I don't know how far down the next one is

I don't know why you think it's the height of comedy to say things you know are misrepresentations.

>>96028244
>you can only dislike something if it is strategically effective!!!!!
Cool so when I take a 20 min turn with Paradox Engine and still don't win the game, you won't mind? Oh wait, I can't because Paradox Engine got banned because of 20 min turns that don't end games.

>>96028257
I love how you trannies have latched onto the fact that everyone hates you, and whenever people talk about shit you like, you just say DISLIKING it is actually the tranny thing, because you're anonymous and no one can see your Vegeta hairline and "programming socks".

>>96028283
if you took a 20 minute turn on any deck id probably get bored and go take a shit or something doesnt matter what archetype it is

>>96028013
Thanks, will be adding that to the deck.

>>96028283
we triggered the combo troon it seems

>>96026982
It's honestly really weird because they'll do shit like full attack you every turn then say you're not letting them play the game when you boardwipe them on attackers declared. Like mf how much do you think I'm going to be playing when my LP are at 0?
It's weird how they accuse others of playing solitaire when they have like 3 points of interaction in their whole deck.

>>96028311
>im rubber you're glue
Post hairline.

>>96028262
Oh yeah basically watch our for Angel of Jubilation and >>96028269
Aka dont play the tribal angel deck

>>96028222
Mothman, though you need to do cEDH things to use his effect to win with mill.

>>96028316
Pissed off an Ayara player big time when I played her.
I love that there are angels for every occasion

>>96028315
now this guy is norwood posting

>>96028312
i run like minimum 10 pieces of single target removal in almost every deck i build now, i remember one game at a shop i used to go to and someone had a meltdown when i killed his tergrid twice and i was being unfair to not let him play his commander for free, i just dont get it since im on the mindset if i put anything slightly threatening out its gonna get shot
i also played a lot of kaalia so im very fucking used to it

>ai garbage
>thirsting for fictional characters
>worst dog shit opinions possible
>why would I want to win when I could lose?
Reddit is unironically better than this place

>>96028338
reddit literally has all of this + clapping for fags, trannies and banning for wrongthink

>>96028338
Then go back

>>96028338
elesh norn makes my cock diamonds

>>96028338
It's dogshit all the way down, anon.

>>96028338
>Reddit is unironically better than this place
Off you fuck then.

>>96028296
I'm afraid you can't leave the table because even if you do not have responses I may cast things that require you to take actions. You're going to sit there and see what happens.

>>96028338
I think it's kinda hot when Ugin fucks Bolas in the ass.

>>96028381
i can do whatever i want just like you can choose not to play against mill if it really makes you seethe that hard

>>96028180
Exile until the beginning of End Step stuff, Nezahal, Parting Gust, using Touch the Realms channel ability. Use your brain retard.

>>96028280
I milled out a friend's LabMan and Jace at the same time, and then the next turn Thoracle got milled. It was the greatest moment I've ever had

>>96028180
Summary Dismissal

will this be the first UB standard set to crash and burn?

Does anyone still play the Planar Chaos Dragons as Commanders? Back in the day my first EDH deck was Teneb, then I made a Vorash extra turn deck and then a Numot land destory deck.

>>96028420
Oros is the OG racist

>>96028364
I got into MTG because I saw someone's post of a 3D printed Norn and it made me feel good in my pants.

>>96028425
i jerked it to elesh norn then started learning about the phyrexians in the story then got upset as i got to the modern stuff

>>96028418
You underestimate how many people go bananas over Star Trek.

>>96028418
It's not real so it wont get any sales at all
Saga, the website that image is taken from, admitted to making up the listings so they were higher in googles results if they do become real.

>>96028444
what's funny is that trekkies are the ones that coined the mary sue, aka every strong woman in mtg, in a way mtg x trek is a match made in hell

>>96028391
>i can do whatever i want
Not when you're playing a game with other people you can't. If you want to get up and go take a 20 min shit during someone else's turn, I guess you concede.
Thanks for playing anon.

>>96028449
>It's not real
I did believe this, until I saw the mechanic for EoE is "warp"
It would be more flavorful if it was a mechanic that could be like "warp 1" "warp 5" etc, but that's one hell of a coincidence.

>>96028461
im honestly convinced most of you guys just dont play at all people get up and do shit all the time even randoms at lgs's ESPECIALLY if someone is taking a long ass turn and no one gives a shit because its a casual format

>>96028453
Wasn't it specifically the name of a self insert in a fan fic that... Was a mary sue?

>>96028449
EOE says otherwise desu senpai
they are slow boiling us to loosen are holes up for this retarded boomer shit

>>96028490
tbf people get a hissy fit whenever an aggro deck actually does his job, doesn't "spread the love", and focuses on a single guy and takes him out; it's the same idea with people taking unnecessarily long turns.
hell people are more justified to get hissy with that and it's part of why nadu is banned

>>96028491
yes trekkies invented the now known fanfiction terms and tropes, and mtg UW lore is fanfic tier too so yeah they kinda belong with each other in that sense

>>96028490
>"you can only be mad about things that are strategically effective!!!"
>okay so if I do something that wastes a lot of time and doesn't win me the game, you won't be mad?
>"I'M TAKIN A SHIT!!!!"
>the fuck you are, you're playing a game. You either sit there and take game actions as necessary or you conceded
>"YOU DON'T EVEN PLAY THIS GAME!!!!!"

>>96028491
Yeah Mary-Sue was a child genius character who stunned the federation crew with her intellect, and if I remember correctly even the characters that disliked her came around to liking her or gave her begrudging respect?
I remember that being a detail, because that comes up in arguments a lot, when people write Mary-Sue characters they say it's not a "real" Mary-Sue because they're not universally loved, even though there's plenty of narcissistic reasons to strawman characters or real people you don't like, and portray their dislike of your self-insert character as unreasonable.

>>96028513
>mtg UW lore is fanfic tier too
You ain't wrong.

>>96028518
>>"you can only be mad about things that are strategically effective!!!"
those are your words not mine i said its funny how mad it makes people in proportion to how bad of a strat it is but go ahead and keep making shit up to get mad about because the mill player took away your favourite card
and you can play your 20 minute long turn deck if you want i just might stare at my phone for half of it or miss a few minutes of it on the can

>>96028316
ummmm? is this racism

>>96028343
>banning for wrongthink
So it is like 4chan

>>96028554
>those are your words not mine i said its funny how mad it makes people in proportion to how bad of a strat it is
You didn't actually:
>>96028244
>i think its funny how mad it makes people despite mill usually being bad

No mention of proportion there at all.
Also, why would how effective a strat is correlate with how mad it makes you? Do you get mad every time someone makes an optimal move in a game? I suspect you don't. So why would you say that suboptimal strategies should make people less mad?
You're so full of shit.

>>96028338
You can leave at any time, have a complimentary goblin

>>96028572
Jannies have been less aggressive with that since being doxxed. And by "less aggressive" I mean moderating properly. Not complaining about you jan-j

>>96028582
you know what bro sure you win
mill players eternally btfo or something

>>96028585
I have a better idea
Use both sites at the same time.

I love biome chan

Mill haters have mental issues.

>>96028602
What the fuck is a lander token

>>96028595
Yeah that's how to do it anon. Lose an argument but make sure you get the last word in framing the person you're talking to as unreasonable.
This isn't reddit, you don't need to save face. You could just slink away silently and no one will even know how embarrassed you are.

>>96028602
Anime entomancy grew on me after Overlord but this AI art custom card shit is slop.

>>96028610
preach queen

I'm gonna brew
OH I'M BREWING

>>96028628
Explain this any time you like

>>96028607
Pay two tap and sac to search for a basic.

>>96028638
Never seen a bug before?

>>96028638
The artist draws women and not bugs.
It came from a year when ai could barely make a cohesive image at all, it would have way more problems than a bug.
It's clearly not ai and I think you may be poisoned if you think it is

>>96028675
Gotta love the frothing Dunning–Krugers

>play timesifter
>opponent wins the clash twice in a row
>DQ'd for chaining extra turns in a bracket 3 game
>not allowed to play his deck anymore

Rakdos combos? Need some fun jank for my deck

>>96028711
>up to 3 "extra turn" cards in a bracket 3 deck
>in bracket 3, if a player already had two consecutive turns in a row, that player skips any more consecutive turns
take some damned notes gavin

>>96028659
>>96028675
>be artist
>for some reason decide not to draw from reference
>don't even google what a moth looks like
>draw a moth with 4 fucking legs, all sticking out from random parts of the body
Yeah, definitely the more likely scenario than just being fucking lazy and AI generating something.

>>96028758
Just learn to take an L.

>>96028779
>lasers a 1/1 bird
>gets chumped by another 1/1 bird
this thing sucks and is absolutely for the lolz

>>96028779
Brash taunter bros...

>>96028758
Yes, that's probably what happened.
Not everything Is ai. Notice how nothing else looks generated?

>>96028758
Hair is the usual tell and that one checks out.

>>96028793
HIM AND STUFFY DOLL I'M SO STOKED HOLY MOTHER OF FUCK

>>96028779
funny and based

>>96028784
What do you think this is proving exactly??? What, because the poster says it was 2020 and AI just didn't exist back then? 1. It did. 2. The post itself says posted 3 years ago, so at max the oldest you can date it to is 2022. And online dates are weird, Youtube one of the biggest platforms on the planet consistently rounds up dates by as much as 6-8 months. So even assuming you screencapped that today, "3 years ago" could be more like 2 years ago.
>>96028794
>other things aren't AI, so therefore this can't be AI!
Maybe you're not very good at spotting it/ Maybe he drew over the shit that looked bad?

>>96028779
Such gay ship design

>>96028779
>100 damage
This game has become such a fucking joke. In a few years time power and damage will have bloated so fucking bad that anything printed before 2025 will be unplayable because the numbers just aren't big enough.

>>96028830
Anon it's clearly not ai, I don't know what else to tell you atvtgis point.

>>96028841
You don't want it to be AI, and that's about all you have to go on.

>>96028830
Delusional

>>96028784
>>96028602
Wait. People think this isn't aislop? The folds on the clothes are a dead giveaway.

>>96028858
Responding again pretending to be someone else when you've been humiliated already is shameful

>>96028844
The several hundred other non ai images she's done tell differently.
You want it to be ai so bad that you are bringing up fucking YouTube
It's just a badly drawn bug

>>96028779
>Numbers are huge
>Requirement to make it do anything is high
>Going to trick a lot of retards into believing it's good
Died 2025, born again 2025, welcome back Jumbo Cactuar.

>>96028858
Look he's one of those spergs who irrationally hates AI and thinks he'd never jerk off to it. Then he saw this, didn't look too close, coomed, and now he feels a great shame for having done so because he knows the day when he is completely unable to detect AI is soon.
This whole thing saying it's not AI is his way of coping.

>>96028758
That's a butterfly, retard

>>96028876
Its not good at all, but its funny.

>>96028872
>The several hundred other non ai images she's done tell differently.
>if someone was skilled enough they wouldn't need to use AI!!!!!
Common misconception anon. People rarely cheat because they are completely lacking in skill. People cheat because to do so gets them the results they want quicker. That's all there is too it. Plenty of professional athletes have been caught cheating, but they didn't cheat their whole careers, they cheated at that final push to get themselves the results they wanted sooner than they would if they had to work years more to achieve it.

>>96028878
Actually schizophrenic post

Golly we have a new schizo for the list. It's becoming one big happy family

>>96028891
Absolutely, psychotically desperate.
An artist with hundreds of drawn images got lazy with a butterfly is infinitely more likely than your convoluted conspiracy theory that they used AI in one of those hundreds of images because you think it looks like AI, so it must be.

>>96028903
AI schizo has been here a while iirc

>>96028912
Ah, first time I've seen him sperg out this hard. I knew we had AI haters but acting this monumentally stupid about an obviously-AI image is somethin else

>>96028912
He's schizo about more than AI, he's just schizo.

>>96028923
We're calling you the schizo retard. Nice try at gaslighting, just were too obvious.

>>96028923
Nice deflection lmao.

>>96028933
aw he's so cute

>>96028283
Hindsight bias is the fallacy of drawing normative conclusions regarding a situation based on information you did not have at the time of a decision or scenario.

If I mill you for 14 cards using fractured sanity when you needed a board wipe, it is equally possible that any given board wipe will be 1st or 15th from the top of your deck. If you were to run a Divine Reckoning, milling 14 cards gives you 15 chances out of your remaining deck to have a board-wipe available for use. If you drew or searched a boardwipe previously, or kept it from your opening hand, mill does nothing to remove the card from your hand; additionally any card that grants cards in your graveyard flashback, or returns them to hand imediately makes them and any other qualifying cards in your graveyard available for use.

Ultimately, none of this matters, while the mathematical probabilities do not shift according to your feelings I'm more than happy to teach you the lesson every time necessary until you learn.

Please mill until you hit a land for Trepanation Blade, then mill that number of cards again (plus 4 for Water Crystal) for Neerdiv tapping, then mill that number again (plus 4 for Water Crystal) for Mindskinner.

>>96028830
You could have just checked man.

>>96028966
Why would he do anything that would prove his schizo ass wrong?

>the "calls everyone schizo" schizo is back
Hate that guy.

I’ve come to accept my mono red deck just can’t keep up with all the other decks that fart out a gorillion tokens every turn. I’ve got Krenko and Urabrask’s Forge in my 99 but I need more juice

>>96028975
If you stopped acting like one, you wouldn't be called one.

>>96028978
The worst part is that the only reliable card draw is impulse draw, which I *hate*. If that ever gets fixed in Red I'll revisit my monored decks

>>96028946
>it is equally possible that any given board wipe will be 1st or 15th from the top of your deck.
>the mathematical probabilities do not shift according to your feelings
Cool. I don't think you understand that the cards in my deck are only mathematically random, in reality they are in a particular order, and if you mill cards that would be particularly useful to me, it is no consolation to say you might not have milled those cards. You did mill them.
Take a look at pic related if you're still struggling with the concept of objective reality.

>>96028989
Seems the most of the cards that benefit from casting from exile aren't mono red either.

>>96028839
You're freaking out about literally nothing.

>>96028989
Yeah that’s the other thing is I’m regularly starved for cards. It’s not quite as big of an issue it’s just usually by the time I’ve got a board state going everyone else is already generating free tokens out the ass and I’m playing on the back foot

>>96028989
There's shit loads of discard draw though. And Madness so you can take advantage of discard.
>>96028999
>most of the cards that benefit from casting from exile aren't mono red either.
A lot of them are Universes Beyond, but here.
>Memory Worm
>Kami of Celebration
>Nalfeshnee
>Passionate Archaeologist
>Iraxxa, Empress of Mars
>Keeper of Secrets
>Flaming Tyrannosaurus
>Unstable Amulet

>>96028999
>>96029046
Oh and

>>96028867
>>96028878
Forget your meds today?

>>96029046
>There's shit loads of discard draw though. And Madness so you can take advantage of discard.
I've honestly never even looked into it. Next time I build a red deck I'll keep that in mind

>>96029069
Play pic related and literally just look on EDHREC

>>96028992
But anon. I did not mill your cards. In fact we are not playing the game right now. What I described to you is what is known as a hypothetical. It is a situation that you imagine in order to understand situations that may happen or have happened, or are happening elsewhere in order to contextualize future situations.

I do find it amusing that you struggle to understand my hypothetical when you're more than willing to invent one in which I paint the walls with my brain matter. It suggests to me that eventually you're gradually developing the tools necessary to understand these underlying concepts even if you don't grasp them now.

I look forward to your continued progress anon.

Actually mill 4 more, I forgot her base power.

>>96028793
>>96028824
It's time to death ray lmao

>>96028779
Looks like suicide pact is back on the menu, boys

>>96029092
>engage with a hypothetical
>explain why your position is stupid in reality
>DURRR ANON DIS IS HYPOFETEEEKULL!!!! IT NOT WEAL DONT U NO DAT????
Drink bleach

>>96029086
Kek. I play this in my Bant deck. Nobody knows this card.

>>96029132
It's cute. Dies to Doomblade tho

I'm baking new

Why didn't anyone tell me this card pretty much destroys any monogreen deck?

>>96029140
Forgot pic.
>yes I like Wurms
>yes they are fun and embody the spirit of EDH

>>96029146
>>96029146
>>96029146

>>96029086
>>96029132
>>96029137
It's been powercrept.

>>96028946
Milling is a fine strategy but you first year college math nerds need to stfu about how milling didn't change the game

>>96029139
>>96029139
Use this image of General Kreat as the op

>>96029164
Any real mathematician would understand that maths is a language that attempts to describe reality and mathematical probability has no influence on what actually is or is not.
But that wouldn't support their arguments, so they don't

>>96029130
You first anon. The experience may be beneficial to you.

>>96028547
Mary Sue was written for a satirical fanfic lambasting common self-insert characters in the Star Trek fandom in that time.

>>96029154
Thanks anon. It's in my bant Wall deck, so this will do nicely.

>>96027348
That's why I'm not using the mutants from fallout lol

>>96027492
I think this is a really interesting concept actually to make old cards better

>>96027819
>you'd rather have your time wasted with worldpurge in bracket 2
YES, THIS YES god fucking finally someone gets it. it's almost like playing card games is a waste of time to begin with!

>>96025849
>>96026862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qAMI6ZGRO4
SPACE ANGEEEEEL! SINGING, WINGING IT, WAY UP HIGH!