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Is the Daimyo worth taking without C3

>>96100971
I hate AI slop.

>>96100991
It's a minor shoop of an 80s anime.

>>96100971
All my bros love Purple Bird.

FWL fans: what do you like about it?

>>96101017
It's AI. Don't lie.

>>96101051
You can just ask for more pictures of Irene.

>>96101051
Get your eyes checked

>>96101032
I like that it has more nuance in its internal politics and it isn't just a king doing stuff on a whim.

>>96101067
>>96101080
Anon, this AI is really bad. Please post real art.

>>96100982
It's a solid little trooper. Think of it like a Panther+

>>96101080
>look at the painting
Obviously AIslop

>>96101078
I wondered if it was sort of an Inner Sphere within the Inner Sphere type thing

>>96101032
1. Orions: I like it.
2. Knights of the Inner Sphere: Wicked Chivalrous
3. Combined Arms: Tanks and PBI
4. Infighting: Damn [insert group] they ruined the FWL.
>>96101080
More maids!

>>96101032
PURPLE FUCKING BIRD IS WHAT I LIKE.
Memes aside, It's the freest of the main Successor Houses, it never gets bullshit plot armor like the Davions or Cappies or Wolves, and it's hilariously ineffective government combined with the near constant balkanization makes it possible to pull the "No True Scottsman" fallacy in a way that makes sense canonically without even breaking character. Of COURSE I hate those dirty Anduriens, I'm from Kalidasa, but you know what I hate more than Andurians? CAPPIES. And you know who is even worse than a Cappie? The Lyrans. And if there's one thing I can't stand and I hate it more than a Lyran, it's a goddamn Clanner from those high and mighty Wolves.

>>96101102
>3. Combined Arms
Isn't this more a Capellan thing? I mean, all the nations use Combined Arms to an extent, but the Cappies have dedicated mixed vee and mech formations.

>>96101102
>KotIS
Anyone have some painted mechs?

>>96101117
follow up: >>96101102 Also what this anon said. The Mariks get a ton of cool mechs that aren't WAAC min/maxxed bullshit. Things like the Hercules, Sirocco, Albatross, Orions, Trebuchets, Hermes, Osts, and stuff aren't anyone's go-to answer for what the best mech is, but they're still decent enough and when played well are rewarding. And every now and then you have the gems where the Mariks get some of the best variants for a lot of ubiquitous models. Like the Griffin 3M, the Wolverine 6M, or the Archer 4M. You have plenty where even if the Marik variants aren't the best, they're still really solid like the Marik Warhammers, Awesomes, Thunderbolts, and some of the Marauders. And then you also have hilarious and goofy garbage that are clearly procurement boondoggles like the Hunchback 5M with it's crazy oversinking and 1 ton of AC 20 ammo, and sticking light gauss rifles all over the place.
It's just a FUN faction with a lot of flavor without ever feeling like Mary Sue bullshit. Time was Purple Bird was the standard of /btg/, but all too many of you have forgotten the face of your father.

>>96101126
I always understood the FWL to have a lot of combined forces in comparison to the other big players. I could be wrong though.
>>96101147
Sadly not. I need to get some more mechs to paint up, however I need to finish the Victrix Normans staring at me before I spend money on more grey plastic toys.

>>96101147
I'm planning to do Romanov's Crusaders eventually, but I've got a bunch of non-battletech stuff and at least a company's worth of other units to get through first.

>>96101032
Demonstrates the folly of trying to organize any sort of republican government in the setting.

>BULLDOG edition
Second Star League: More Trouble Than It Was Worth?

>>96101682
Tranny content is not welcome here. We can always tell.

On sunday our local BT community had the yearly BT day, this year it being a 15 player 15,000 BV match that lasted 10 hours (as long as the LFGS was open) which was only like 6 turns. It was set on 3066 at the end of the civil war, Steiner side won because the Davions didn't kill all building objectives before we had to leave the shop.

>>96101117
>>96101218
Kill yourself ND

>>96101742
>lasted 10 hours
>only like 6 turns
Skill issue

>>96101874
Yeah real, it was a slog to get the Davions to finish their movement and attack declarations.

Have my Banshee holding up a corridor.

>>96101767
>Kill yourself ND
...The fuck are you on about Anon?

>>96101727
>we can always tell
but we don’t always mind

>>96101742
>>96101894
Looking pretty cool! The Banshe always reminds me of picrel.

>>96101032
I like that it pretends to offer a different path, but in practice is the same old shit. Even uncooperative subfactions isn't anything new, as Skye, St Ives, Rasalhague, and both FedSuns Marches can attest to.

>>96101682
Without the Second SLDF, Sun Tzu would not have been able to retake and pacify St Ives, so it's obviously worth it.

>>96101017
Ain't it actually early 90's

>>96102579
There's no difference

Is the only difference between a primitive drop ship and a "modern" one the primitive armor and weapons? The engine is really the same weight and everything?

>>96102598
Primitive dropships are called dropshuttles and do not have KF-booms, so they can't jump with modern jumpships. Instead they're meant to go fully inside dedicated dropshuttle bays in primitive jumpships.

>>96102817
I'm talking about the XTRO Czar and Drost. They're too big to be be drop shuttles, and they are marked as having primitive armor and experimental autocannons in the case of the drost, but everything else seems to be the same weight as normal rules level drop ships, unlike primitive mechs.

>>96101221
>I always understood the FWL to have a lot of combined forces in comparison to the other big players. I could be wrong though.
I am pretty sure Melissa Davion ending up spanking the FWL with an RCT or two.

>>96102865
>cgl half-assed one of their unnecessary historically that noone will ever use but they keep putting out because the alienating is actually advancing the story

News at 11.

>>96102895
Alternative.

Wtf autocorrect. Serves me right for phoneposting at 5am.

>>96101032
Because we have the strongest Marik

>>96102895
>XTRO Primitives Volume 3 released 2012

>>96102927
CGL took over in 2012. Jihad ended in 2011. Already sitting the Jihad CGL spent some time floundering, but it was really after they finished that they started panicking.

>>96102895
What did you expect them to do? There is no satisfactory way to advance the timeline, and there never will be.

>>96102895
All the story advancement past 3025 has been an unmitigated disaster.
Nobody likes ilclan and they can't advance the story any other way because all plot advancement uses the catastrophic grab bag of horrible writing that is the clan invasion to the dark age as a foundation.

>>96102964
Instead we get constant retcons, some intentions, some just from lack of fact-checking.

I'd rather have shitty ilKhan. Then at least the past stays untouched.

>>96102574
ehhh what’s the connection
>>96102899
idgi

>>96102953
>>96102964
>>96102970
Just waiting for them to do a full reboot where the reason for the exodus was because Alexandra Kerensky wanted to escape the patriarchy!

>>96103115
A more retarded plot would be that Kerensky did have that Cameron cousin with him and instead of installing her on the throne he took her away to protect her and it turns out she is a Ward bloodname progenitor.

>>96103115
That’s Kossandra Centrella’s story

>>96101017
I'm pretty sure they were trying to reply to >>96100982 and made a mistake.

>>96101727
The funny thing is I've seen autistic girls with faces like that (though usually not so tall) but the fat one with the beard is definitely ftm. Look at dat ass.

literally just a tall woman 4chan has ruined you all

>>96103352
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?

>>96100901 (OP)
Does anyone run ProtoMechs or are they stuck in the same obscurity bin as LAMs?
Also post ProtoMech art.

>>96103670
I generally never think about them at all

I wish I wish a big Smoke Jag bull would breed my JF star commander gf.

>>96101032
I like the Marik Militia and how they're pledged (at least ostensibly) to protect the people of the FWL instead of being at the beck and call of the Captain General.

>>96101727
>We can always tell.

Would the 6/9/6 bugs be improved if they were 7/11/5 instead?

>>96103670
I’d like to start fielding protos next since I’ve already got mechs and battle armor mostly down. I paint/play Snow Ravens and they’re one of the few clans that seem to embrace protomechs, so I figure I ought to add one or two to my painting schedule and go test them out. The Roc seems like a solid pick to start with.

>>96104319
The issues with bugs have nothing to do with their speed, though. The issues all ultimately boil down to available tonnage.

>>96104369
For wasps and stingers at least, the speed IS a serious consideration. Being stuck at 6/9/6 is a hard problem when along comes the Pixie that also goes 6/9/6 and has like 4x your firepower and twice the armor. At least a locust can outrun that Phoenix Hawk, even if it can't outfight it, but for a Wasp or Stinger, fighting a Phoenix Hawk is just shy of outright suicide.

>>96103670
To me they're even more obscure since they're only used by a very limited number of clan factions in limited capacities. LAMs hit the IS General and Mercenary lists for one of the most played eras and are only artificially wiped out for the second most played era.

>>96104369
How much tonnage you have is of secondary importance to how that tonnage is used. Having 3 tons tied up in jump jets is a significant investment when a single ton can bump up your engine rating. That's why the Locust is the best 20 tonner.

>>96104898
Wasps and stingers also get bodied hard by Spiders.

When the clans reave bloodnames that's genocide isn't it?

>>96104933
Those look so goddamn messy.

>>96105069
Yes, and?

>>96105160
I like the Mauler. I think the ugly paint job works with the glowing orange overheating detailing, like the paint is blistering and melting from the heat. The Marauder 2 is just kinda mediocre, though.

>>96104933
Man
The paint job on that mauler is dire
That's one of the few times I've seen a paint job that looks worse than mine

>>96105222
You can't say that and not post your own mechs in all their shitty glory. Like here's mine, and I don't pretend they're even close to good.

>>96105202
For me it's the opposite. At least with the Marauder II, while it is gaudy and the colors clash, there is some symmetry and intention with the placement of the colors. The Mauler looks like the blue was slapped on in the most haphazard way possible before being dunked in orange chalk. Bottom has posted some shit mechs before, but that Mauler literally painful.

>>96105269
I've posted them enough times, you'd probably be able to guess if you trawled through the archive
Those are better than mine though

>>96103670
I've run Minotaurs a few times, one of my regular opponents hates them. They are slow, but surprisingly tanks. I've got Sirens for sneaky stuff and backstabbing/vee hunting too, but I've not had chance to get a game in months (thanks work)

>>96104933
>>96104950
>bottom showing off just how shitty his painting is.
Wow, you don't just lean on contrast paints for your usual, you literally can't do a passable job without them.

>>96105297
Turtles?

>>96105353
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/89948838/#q89952196
Nah
The reception was surprisingly favorable but there's no denying it

>>96105397
The guy saying a wash would help is right. The biggest problem there is that the bright colors are also in the recessed parts. A dark wash aimed specifically at getting into the panel lines followed by another layer of the base color over the high points to get rid of "coffee stains" the wash might leave where it's not wanted would immediately improve it.

>>96105397
Because you've thinned your paints, but also you only need to add wash/highlight and then details like cockpit and laser jewelling.
They aren't bad, they're just unfinished, still on step one: basecoat.

>>96101067
Now I wanna draw Irene. Whats the standard Marik officer uniform?

>>96101032
>Freedom(By Inner Sphere Standards)
>Variable cultures.
>Birds and Purple(Not ironic)
>Cool mechs.
If it wasn't for the constant infighting I'd declare them my favorite above Steiner and Blake.

I'm having fun tho :3

>>96105593
Your Mackie is ugly. If I had a drone that could only scan through visuals and that thing wasn't moving, it would never see it. Good job!

messed up quickshade dip. model took forever to dry. reached a "good enough" stage.

>>96105555
Depends on when. After 3047 they all wear this with officers being allowed to add a dagger (and members of the Order of the Saber getting to wear a sword). Before that, it depends on which province they're from.

>>96105636
Oh yeah.
Shes going in that.

>>96105631
so warm and cozy

>>96105613
ty!

>>96105222
>w< I'm not done painting it anon.

I'm pretty happy with the mad so far.

>>96105697
Ok, admittedly it looks better in motion that it does as a still, but you have no excuse for that abombination of a Mauler.

>>96105697
No wonder you seethe about nazi anon, he's so much better at painting than you.

Since mechs have replaced most infantry roles would training montages for action heroes look like this?

>>96105784
my goals are unable to be understood, even by myself. sometimes you just gotta fuck around and find out.

>>96105833
what does this have to do with battletech

>>96105818
The nazi won't suck yer dick anon

>>96105823
>Since mechs have replaced most infantry roles
They have not.
>would training montages for action heroes look like this
Repetitive motions would be the most basic of training to familiarize the pilot with the way the mech moves, myomer does not get stronger from exercise.

>>96105867
>They have not.
But they have.

>>96105877
They have not.

>>96105840
formal mechwarrior attire

>>96105833
Bottom, babygirl, honey, those aren't proper boots.

These are proper boots. (Jenner IIC for scale)

>>96105885
The only thing they can't do that infantry can do is fit inside of a building, which is not needed in most cases anyways.

>>96105894
and elemental attire.

Well this thread is starting to stink of hairspray

>>96106190
do something about it, freebirth.

>>96106214
Malthus wasn't even an elemental.

>>96106190
More like rancid weeping rectal sores.

>>96106190
Battletech is from the 80s. The hairspray has been here all along.

What faction & era should I pick if my goal is maximum combined arms? I want
>Vehicles
>VTOLs
>APCs
>Infantry + support weapons
>Aerospace
>Artillery
>Mechs

Liao after the 4th Succession War? A Periphery state?

>>96106544
Davion RCTs or Mariks.
Those are the two that are famous for it, but really everyone does it to some extent.

>>96106544
Liao mid Clan Invasion. They were the largest users of artillery in the Successor states, and had combined arms lances that used both combat vehicles and battle armor.

>>96106544
Word of Blake. Unironically.

just printed and painted my first mech, the banshee any tips for getting a better white?
>>96101032
>freedom
>constant civil war
>different cultures (lots of freedom for yourdudes
>ideal war
> purple
luv me purple bird

Can IS clans produce omnimechs/vehicles after wars of reaving, is it writen anywhere that they managed to evacuate and transplant technological and industrial base to their holdings? Or are they stuck with depleting reserves and going back to IICs and batlemechs after being cut off?

>>96107105
The only things they can't make is some of the weirdo Society tech.

>>96101032
I can kill chinks AND davions and I don't share a border with weeaboo faggots

It's 3015 and this little guy runs up to slap your Enforcer's ass. What do you do?

>>96101032
Only faction to deal with consequences of internal squabbles and foreign subversion by actually balkanizing. Too bad they wrote that away and decided to handwave the FWL reuniting for the ilclan era.
Meanwhile between Hasek plots and Sandovals going rogue, Davion still manages to keep everything together ez

>>96106883
white is a bit of a bitch to paint. I would use a blue gray base and work up to almost white. Never apply pure white, as that needs to be reserved for the highest highlights (and even then, shouldn't really be used at all imo). never try to get full coverage with one or two coats, you wanna build stuff up with multiple thinner layers.

Good job for a first try! That's not a 3E... I don't recognize the model.

>>96105896
sigh. guess I'll post some of mine.

>>96107393
If you genuinely think the davions of all factions are favored by the writers you are mentally ill.

>>96105897
Are you one of those people that compain infantry should be able to damage battletech armor?

>>96107649
Suns seemed to be pushed as the good guys in FedCom pretty hard; though my perspective may be off having gotten my start as a MW4 secondary.

>>96107723
It's true that the FedSuns are the good guys, but since the mid 90s that has meant they are destined to mostly lose because the setting 'needs' to be grim and gritty and realistic and in real life the slightly tainted liberal monarchies never beat fascism.

(please don't look at a history book to check that)

>>96103352
That's OBVIOUSLY a man with implants.
We
Can always
ALWAYS
Tell

>>96105593
it’s hideous but it’s undeniably *you*
>>96105631
this picture is so weird I am not even sure what colors it is can you repost with a more normally lit and composed pic
>>96106883
like the other anon said, never go full white
also — time to learn how to oil wash
here is a vid for you:
https://youtu.be/mx4XHTC-Dno?si=QHeaymFWhHZHxug8
*picunrel*

>>96105593
Your fun is wrong. Either paint something that would score a 9+ on CMON or don't post.

>>96106257
The sooner it moves away from the 80s the better. The whole decade was cringe. The only good part was minimum government, killing off social services, and being able to make lots of money. Battletech should reboot to a version that's more reflective of its customer base: 2020s era tech, faster play, conservative social values, and no women or trannies anywhere in the lore.

>>96107989
even if she was trans those boobies are well within the realm of natural
but she is very obviously a cis woman

>>96108042
>2020s era tech
what
>faster play
skill issue
>conservative social values
like what
>no women or trannies anywhere in the lore
why are you gay

>>96107393
The IlClan Era literally has magic Clan Wolf taking over the universe with nonexistent impossible armies and your complaint is the Free Worlds League got back together? Moron.

>>96108066
Drones, ewar, no random targeting, not having unrealistic units.

Too many stupid rules. We need fewer modifiers and less die rolls. Playing a 12v12 game shouldn't take more than 90 minutes.

No taxation, minimal government, no social services, and freedom instead of authoritarian monarchism everywhere. Proof of Christianity should be mandatory to purchase products.

Why are you? Only a fag would argue that women belong in war, or that trannies deserve to be alive.

>>96108096
Boooo. Get new material.

>>96108043
>big forehead
>angular nose
>man jaw
>square shoulders
>HRT tits
>long torso
>no ass
>straight legs with no hips
>interested in Battletech
>at a gaming convention
>not pregnant
No, it's an obvious tranny. There is a minimum standard of appearance for cis women, and that thing doesn't meet it. You're either a woman, or you aren't, and that thing will never be a woman.
>long man fingers

>>96106257
I could actually see hairspray making a big comeback in a spacefaring civilization, since the wouldn't have to worry about CFCs. Come to that, it probably wouldn't be a big deal on most Earthlike planets, either since the population densities are so low.

Imagine being the kind of person who has nothing better to do in their life than shit up a thread day in and day out.

>>96108168
NTA but Battletech people don't give a fuck. They're basically Captain Planet villains mixed with the Onceler. It's hilarious you would even think they care about the environment except a very few couple of garden worlds who never knew the firey kiss of the Succession Wars.

>>96108302
I like the pose, don't love the colors.

are feldherr bags really that bad to store and transport your stuff? they look rather useful to me

>>96108352
There's also those planets where the natural environment and/or wildlife is basically hostile to human life so it's not like people are going to really want to preserve it.

>>96108302
thanks for the new pic I really like it!

>>96108477
they’re great, where did you hear that they’re bad?

>>96108491
I told him that.

>>96108491
a friend at our monthly table

I'm feeling too tired and sleepy to paint my Capellan mechs tonight.

>>96108480
>There's also those planets where the natural environment and/or wildlife is basically hostile to human life

90% of 'garden' worlds are a nightmare like that. You either get ice/desert hellhole or Geigerian wet dream. People spend centuries killing off the native prairie squids and giant crabs just to replace them with immunohardened Terran fauna. Even the clanners did that shit and they LIKED the local murderfauna.

Fun fact, though. Terran fauna has become so ubiquitous through terraforming that by the DA you have people from bumfuck Andurien space going "Wow, they have Pinion Pines in this Terran park! How thoughtful of them to pay tribute to the trees from our homeworld."

First day of vacation, felt like painting a demolisher.

>>96108501
What scheme?

>>96108477
They're fine, but the selection of inserts they come with aren't the best for the modern plastics since they're bigger on average than the older models. I think you can buy just the empty bag and the trays separately anyway.

>>96108571
"a camouflage pattern appropriate to the world on which a given unit is stationed" I'm doing a 3 color desert camo for now.

>>96108638
How far along are you?

>>96108563
looking good so far maybe highlight some panels

>>96108131
I miss the days of "Tits or GTFO!"

>>96108653
I have 2 that still need to be based, the rest are varying states of WIP.

>>96108653
>>96108675
I meant to attach a picture.

>>96108684
>taping off the camo lines
Coward!

>>96108734
Yeah, I do tape off for the darkest color and then when it's time to do the lighter brown I don't bother taping off. Usually I just stick tape in random spots because I don't know what pattern I want at the start.

>>96108670
Showing tits just means your a tranny. Real girls don't show themselves off like that. Boys need the validation and do.

>>96108963
>Real girls don't show themselves off
What? Onlyfans has proven that every woman on the planet is a whore that will expose themselves for just the idea of getting attention.

>>96108669
What itritates me is that it looks fine in my hand or on the table but as soon as i get a glimps at it on photo or through the magnifying glass it looks like utter garbage, paint too think wobbly lines, washed out details.

>>96109035
>for just the idea of getting attention.

Yeah, that's not why women are on OnlyFans.

>>96109041
Maybe have nearsightedness like the rest of us nerds, and you won't have that problem. The lenses are built-in!

>>96109070
They're actually all just competing for my attention (I ignore them.)

>>96109077
good idea let me read the whole BT catalogue in a dimly lit room, that should fix that right up

>>96109130
Too late. You should have been born with it. You'll just lose your midrange focus that way.

>>96109145
eye cybernetics cant come soon enough

>>96109070
>Tell me you know nothing about women without actually telling me
only about 1% of whores on onlyfans make money, the 99% are lucky to cover the cost of the data they use to upload, the 99% are just doing it for attention.
99% of everything that all women do is just for attention, you retarded virgin.

>>96109145
>>96109130
NTA but I have a twin brother. He was always an outdoorsy type while I stayed inside reading books. Both of us were told we needed glasses when we were 8 years old. My brother almost never wore his glasses while I always wore my glasses. My vision has only gotten worse while he doesn't even legally need glasses to drive.

>>96109183
so you should have read your books outside without glasses is my takeaway from that

>>96109183
I was an outdoorsy type who didn't realize I needed glasses until almost 10. I became a geologist who was both outdoorsy and needed to look closely at crystals in rocks. My vision has changed jack shit the last 20 years. Can't drive unaugmented. At least I don't need hand lenses. Astigmatism and nearsightedness are fun!

>>96109284
>I became a geologist
nta kinda jealous

>>96109282
>>96109284
>>96109183
Should have spent more time looking at stuff far away, that can prevent mild near sightedness from developing. Although some people's lenses are so fucked up there's no natural recourse.

>>96109284
I was born with anisometropia but didn't realize it until I failed an eye test for my learner's permit.

What do you guys use as civis or infantry? I want to build a scenario where you need surpress a anti katrina protest, like in the book measure of a hero

>>96109327
You'd have to probably custom make a sheet for rioters unless you want them to be actual militia.

Gimme a sec, I'll crack open megamek.

>>96109333
Damn that was quick, thanks mate.

>>96109333
I'm pretty sure there are stats for primitive melee weapons that would probably represent an angry mob without guns just fine.

>>96109347
Do you know where i can look up that stuff? Besides websites

>>96109369
Ilkhan's eyes only is in the cache and has a bunch of rules on mobs and rioters.

>>96109327
>measure of a hero
i was listening to that when i was driving today. archer is such a marty sue

>>96109397
Thank you very much.

>>96109397
That's probably better; though if you need them you could just set up squads with Club (Club/Improvised).

This low to the ground it's basically going to be a question of how many rioters there have to be in a group to be able to deal damage. For clubs, blades and similar archaic improvised weapons, groups smaller than 25 will struggle to deal damage at all. I'd give them micro-inferno grenades to represent moltovs or other improvised incendiaries if you want them to be less of a nothing-burger. But they'll still need to be in groups of about 14 to deal any damage.

I haven't looked at IEO yet, so I don't know if they have much better rules.

>>96109469
>micro-inferno grenades to represent moltovs
do we have any reliable data on how hot gel burns?

>both Kurita packs delayed
why live

So much for Gothic not interfering with regular production. Fucking incompetents.

>>96109501
The DA sculpts are already good, though.

>>96109501
>New Roku has no neck

Disgusting.

>>96109483
Somewhere between 1500-2000C IIRC. It's people-melting but not magic armor melting.

>>96109501
>So much for Gothic not interfering with regular production.
It's Leviathans. Everything CGL is focused on getting the KS stuff out and the stuff to retail. It will be until the middle of August. You'll just have to wait and cope.

>>96109550
Shimmering "Pull the trigger on every necker" Sword strikes again

>>96109586
>You'll just have to wait and cope.
Fuck you I won't do either

>>96109576
>1500-2000C
so a molotov with some really strong moonshine could work if whe consider the burn temp of pure ethanol with 1,920 °C

>>96109586
Ever since Gothic was announced the Blake box was delayed, and now these two. Whether it's Leviathans or Gothic, having multiple delays after repeatedly assuring everyone "Noooo, Gothic has it's own new separate team, it'll be fine!" is terrible, terrible optics that should be taken advantage of for maximum dunking.

>>96109628
Yeah, I would probably pick the micro-grenades on account of a less efficient specialized mixture; though I think without any optional rules all this is broadly going to do is reduce the number of rioters needed to deal damage for a number of attacks. I'm a bit rusty on infantry rules though.

>>96109628
The sticking and continuing burn are the difference IMO.

>>96109501
The silly hat is a pretty defining feature for the roku, and shimmy just cuts it off?

>>96109655
imagine the following, a paste that burns at 35C is sticking to your skin for two hours vs a liquid that burns at 50C that sticks to you for 1 minute

>>96109684
>NOOOOO this mech is supposed to look stupid, how could shimmy change that

The future is now, old man.

>>96109501
But why remove the neck? It looks really dumb.
It's one of his few redesigns that looks identifiably similar to the original. Why did he need to fuck it up?

which one next and what scheme, i'm kinda out of ideas and i dont want to go generic green/brown

>>96109847
Urban camo is premium vehicle scrug.

>>96109849
i dont think i can pull that off with a brush, but i will try, which mini should i ruin?

>>96109865
Urban doesn't need to be digital.

>>96109871
do you have a good looking one on hand?

>>96109901
Pick a pattern you like (or can do well) and do it in greys and blacks instead of browns and greens.

>>96109901
Not him but I got a few of the gray horde that need touchup on hand.

>>96109924
i'm this guy >>96108563, this is will be the first try at a complex camo
>>96109961
can you show me your savana in a close up please

>>96109901
I dunno if mine is good looking, but good urban camo comes from color selection and "resolution" if that makes sense. Decide what kind of shapes you want to use to sell the idea of breaking up the look.

Mine are based on a cold-weather climate, so the prevailing white of snow makes a lot of sense. Compared to real camo the volumes will appear large, but that will just make them look better at table height (and be easier to paint frankly).

>>96109998
this is nice, did you go light to dark color? did you plan out the pattern or just go by gut?

>>96109984
No Savannah's in there, bro. You got a more specific request?

>>96109501
Holy shit. I actually prefer the older DA art. Yeah it looks cool but wheres the fucking neck? Wheres the head? Why does it look like hes holding in a crap and shrugging at the same time?

>>96109501
The upside down Katana is so fucking stupid why take the neck away but leave the sword pointed wrong. Shit dont even make sense you can only do horizontal slashes and down stabs, and even then the swords so long youre not going to get a lot of momentum and its going to be awkward up close.

>>96109501
HE WAS IN THE POOL

Which unit does this Archer belong too?

>>96110029
yeah my bad thats a pegasus (i hope) not a savanna

>>96109685
How many eagle feathers is that

>>96110071
35 = 95
50 = 122

>>96109961
>not based
Shameful.

>>96110093
>Basing stacking units that aren't BA or PBI
NEVER!

>>96110017
So I did a white zenithal to start and then I just started blocking in splotches, cleaning them up as I went. Obviously go light to dark, but after that I hit it with some blue-black tone and had to clean it up again with some more white. My latest adjustment was going back in with some ink to panel line in the light areas to make them pop.

For a more regimented or consistent pattern you might want to plan ahead, but generally I just had them together in batches and made sure that any duplicates (like my two locusts and my pile of urbanmechs) didn't have the same colors in the same spot

>>96110106
If it's not on a hexbase, it's terrain, not a game piece.

stippling or stroking for camo patterns?

>>96110121
Not when you play on hexmaps. A base is entirely superfluous, mechanically.

>>96110155
depends on the camo

>>96110166
Miniatures wargames are played on open terrain. Hexmaps are for boardgame faggots and not for actual BT players. You don't see real players using hexmaps anywhere on social media, because this is a miniatures wargame. So base for terrain or shut up.

>>96110178
some of these look hilarious uneffective

I’ve still got another 20 mechs left to get to, but I’ve re-based a good chunk of my Snow Ravens this week and finished up a point of Sylphs to go with them. This is a group shot of some of my favorites of the bunch.

My mini backlog is cleared up again, so I’ll be back to running the printer this weekend, this time adding a few clan second-line mechs to the roster. I will post pics when finished.

>>96108684
I like how they’re coming along, great camo results
>>96109041
it doesn’t look bad at all — I just know from experience that when you highlight a few panels the mech seems a lot cooler and you tend to feel more satisfied
>>96109641
I really doubt Gothic is holding anything up
*picunrel*

>>96110208
how long did it take you to get on that level?

>>96110067
Doesn't really look any different than the picture. I had a buddy give me a few V's he did in ELH camo and I still need to do the cockpits.

>>96110204
well they are from 40k. the more outlandish ones are probably for more alien environments I'd reckon.

>>96110232
You put the idea in my mind of an Elemental duking it with a Space Marine, only to both stop when they see a Tau, joining forces, and blasting the shit out of it.

>>96110232
Fuck off with outlandish colors, i fight with myself to not buy these tufts for more than a week.

>>96110226
Year and a half so far, maybe a hundred minis or so - I think I’m up to 120-ish now. This Ebon Jaguar on the left was the first mini I painted, back in March 2024. I took this side-by-side shot with the first snow raven mech I painted, and then one of my latest ravens. It’s neat to have little progress markers to look back on to gauge my improvement. I figure in another year or so I’ll have to paint up another Ebon Jag just to keep the trend going.

>>96110166
Lots of things get scattered on the map as terrain, from industrial mechs to buildings to civilian vehicles.
No base = not a unit

>>96110260
today i painted my 8th mini in total, do you look up tutorials or how do you try to improve?

What's your favorite unit and why is it the Word of Blake Militia 2nd Division?

>>96110286
gotta be the boys in the 124th Royal Heavy Assault Regiment
>the unit was assigned as part of XLIV Corps, Sixteenth Army to District 3 of the Draconis Combine Military Region
>The unit attracted the bulk of Hegemony SLDF personnel obsessed with the TV dramas, pop idols, and animation from Draconis Combine popular culture. Over time, this became the unit's distinguishing characteristic, and numerous complaints were filed regarding the images that decorated the regiment's BattleMechs.
>Though a number of the unit's machines appeared on the covers of specialty magazines, the majority of the populace regarded the 124th with disgust.

what mechs do they pilot?

>>96110285
Usually if I’m doing a paint scheme a I’ve done before I’ll try and stick to an established formula so everything in the unit looks like it matches. For new schemes, I usually like to incorporate a new technique I picked up from painting videos or guides (stuff like dry brushing, edge highlights, glazing), but I limit it to one or two new things at a time so I’m more likely to get a successful mini out of it. I used the Camospecs tutorial for grey death legion to do that Ebon Jaguar (I was actually going for an Arctic camo but got the base color way too dark before the contrast layer) and some of their other videos are pretty useful too. Other than that, it’s just volume, and learning how to slow the fuck down. 100+ minis in a little over a year means I can put something on the table for most scenarios, so I’m not rushing to get through a giant grey pile of shame or fill out a basic list, so I feel like I can take my time on each mini and really get them right.

>>96110208
Fucking hell! Those are gorgeous.

>>96110198
>You don't see real players using hexmaps anywhere on social media

>>96108684
tan, brown and dark brown striping is such a fuckawesome paint scheme.

>>96110354
As the /v/ thread said, second from the right is an orion pilot, no doubt.

>>96109998
>berlin brigade camo
nice

I'm not a very smart person, but I like clan mechs. What are the best clan mechs for small brain unga bunga tactics that I so dearly prefer?
Kodiak is one example I can think of cause it just walks in and bashes anything that looks at it funny.

>>96110327
>XLIV Corps, Sixteenth Army to District 3
>XLIV
>Sixteenth
>3
This should not bother me as much as it does

There’s niggaz out there who aren’t repping Comcast. Imagine not have crabs or black knights.

>>96110476
funnily enough, the 'best' clan mechs are the C / C2/ C3 versions of IS mechs. the ones clanners build either in golden century or in 3145.

or be boring and use adders, stormcrows, timberwolves.

>>96110062
Probably Night Stalkers given the colors and Drac iconography.

>>96107989
>>96108131
Are you trollposting or genuinely retarded?
Having gone to most mechcons I can assure you that is a real woman. I know her and I know her BF. You definitely don't go outside, because BT players have a shocking rate of marriage.
So, you just don't know what a woman looks like and spend too much time jerking off to trannies.
Remember, every accusation is an admission.

>>96111218
he's been running this same troll for an entire decade now, you should have learned to recognize the patterns by now. it's the old australian server goblin

I love how autistic the discord shut in's are. Shimmy mentions the Roku and Shiro being the first MWDA kurita totems they're touching and a full page of production year and clix game release waffling happens.

Turbo autists, he was just saying they're the first dark age era kurita totems for CGL plastic. He's not a WizKids employee.
Also Doves still doesn't know what a T-pose is. Embarrassing.

Discord was a mistake. Sequestered in there because they couldn't handle any more of being laughed at here.

>>96111218
>implying that biological women actually exist

Wake up, sheep! It's all a lie to cover up the secret government cloning labs.

Wait, fuck, with the Iron Womb, this is totally going to be someone Magical Realm about BattleTech now.

>>96111440
I mean, biological women SHOULDN'T exist. They're strictly inferior to men in every possible metric, save for the fact they can give birth. They're basically just Iron Wombs that can talk back and walk around. If only we treated them as such.

>>96111661
>They're strictly inferior to men in every possible metric
I can't even call you a homo, because those generally are perfectly capable of maintaining cordial relationships with members of the other sex.

What mechs would the Glanton Gang use if they were a c.3025 merc company?

>>96111913
In the book they were early adopters of colt walkers/dragoons, and were extremely well armed for the time with some exotic rifles as well, which I think is supported by evidence irl. So I'd expect them to have at least raided some SLDF/Comstar stash, they should easily outclass average periphery state company, maybe even most line units of successor states by a country mile.

>>96100901 (OP)

So I've mostly played IS but trying to pick up clans. But when I talk to people at my LGS about the best Clan Mechs, they mostly bring up second line shit - the Vapor Eagle, Rifleman IIC, etc.

What Clan Omnis or configurations are considered solid? Or are they too expensive?

>>96111661
That was fast

>>96111999
Ton-to-ton just about anything clanech will blow IS force out of the fucking water. BV-matched fights are slightly more balanced, but really next to similar IS 'mechs everything clanmade is barely comparable.

>>96111999
Stormcrow Prime.
Timberwolf Prime (or either twin PPC config)
Mad Dog Prime.
Shadowcat, Prime or B.
Adder Prime.

Warhawk C for cheese.
Wait, there's a pattern. The prime config of most are pretty good.

The Stormcrow Prime is arguably the single best Mech in the game. 20 damage at fuck you range, 44 damage at what the IS still considers long range, heat neutral, fast enough to outrun anything it can't kill, decent armor.

Clan assaults are less amazing because they start to feel the pinch from crits, and they don't benefit as much from as lighter Mechs, what a Clan medium can match any IS heavy and a Clan heavy and IS assault.

The 35 ton Adder does as much damage as an IS twin Gauss boat, which is crazy. It compares all to the Awesome. Sure, it has way less armor, but still.

>>96109501
>they gave the Rokurokubi enecktyle dysfunction

>>96109501
Looks almost like the Excalibur he did.

I bought the AGOAC starter set and tried my hand at a locust.

IDK, perhaps it's the camera but perhaps the camo just didn't turn out too well?

This is a capellan unit, using colours used on soviet ww2 aircraft like the IL-2 for camo.

>>96112297
Not great, not terrible.

>>96112297
It has a dusty, hard appearance and a texture that together reminds me of german camouflages with zimmerit.

>Be struggling to come up with gladiator paint schemes
>see >>96110178 and >>96110232
>remember that one picture on camospecs of the Ares with a ring pattern in the exotic camos section.
>realize I can paint my tsunami as a quar and just say it's exotic.
thanks, anons

>>96112297
I find that camo is definitely one of the trickier schemes to do well. My GP to method has been too build up the different camo areas lighter than I want, and then use a wash to tie everything back together and define the greeblies, and then rehighlight choice sections.

Not a bad attempt, it's probably just the lighting? Looks weathered!

>>96112321
>anons
You're welcome, friend.

>>96101126
Combined arms is generally associated with poorfags in general so Capellans check out

>>96112297
try getting an extra light source for your pics, it def needs one more coming from the left

also it looks like you applied a wash rather cnservatively, there's numerous details on the torso that are lost right now, the camo is nice tho

Do you prefer 4/6 or 3/5 for assaults?

>>96111999
They’re solid for the most part, but you gotta be able to squeeze the most out of those machines to use them well. Individual clan units tend to be very expensive and mount a very high ratio of guns to armor, so screwing up with one usually means you’ll lose a huge chunk of BV that you might not easily recover, even with superior firepower. The second line mechs are very good because they don’t opt for all of the weight-saving tech like XL engines all of the time, so they end up being more durable and less expensive while still getting the advantages of clan tech weapons.

The omnis that are usually just good across the board tend to be stuff like the Timber Wolf, Stormcrow, Gargoyle, Nova Cat, or the Kingfisher, just because their base layouts aren’t doing anything super retarded. The configs are usually pretty good too, very few duds in this lot.

Novas, Vipers, Warhawks, Summoners, Ebon Jags, Adders, and Grendels can do some decent work with the right configs. The Nova has a couple of really solid picks in there, I would avoid the Prime though. Same thing with the Adder, it’s a crazy sniper but it’s very hot, and very expensive thanks to that tarcomp. Jags are usually good, but I’d avoid the B - it can’t fire half the guns without overheating, and it has no decent bracket-fire setup like the A. Grendels that aren’t doing the “fast jumping sniper” thing tend to be good strikers or skirmishes.

Stay the fuck away from Hellbringers, Kit Foxes, Cougars, Huntsmans, and Pouncers; the speed/armor/firepower triangle leans heavily into the firepower corner so these machines are often far slower and more frail than something of similar tonnage, so they all end up very expensive and are very hard to get your BV’s worth out of.

>>96111913
>>96111967
nothing but firestarters and hatchetmen
eventually frakenmechs of the two

Thoughts on PGI's take on the Shad IIC?

>>96112070
>>96112048

Interesting. Do you think Clan Omnis still hold up if its Clan on Clan violence?

Also, any of the Summoner variants good? Just love the look of it.

>>96110232
Amusingly Battletech could easily exist within the Warhammer 40k universe as a lot Imperium group of colonies

>>96112544

Also, the designers of Huntsman configurations were all on crack. I feel it could have been at least an okay trooper mech if so many configs weren't retarded.

I am partial to the A, but the LBX2 would be mostly a waste of tonnage unless you get people playing VTOLs like does happen in my groups sometimes.

>>96112591
>muh ship in a bottle settings
I mean I guess. You do you man.

>>96112559
I really like that it looks like CGL's one, which is one of my favorite mechs ever, its a little mobile suit and i love it

>>96112612
I mean it already shares a lot of similarities. Genetic supersoldiers in power armor, AI that goes insane after exposure to FTL, a preference for mechs over more practical vehicles, a pseudo-religious cult that controls important technology, interstellar-feudalism

>>96112637
Just seems like a reductive way to add a lot more unanswered questions than anything else. Not really a useful or interesting lens to look at the setting with imo.
>where's the big red guy

>>96112537
speed is life.
I fucking love my 80 tonners.

>>96112591
with how backwards and misinformed the audience and 40k setting is its more likely the entire thing is a small cluster of periphery worlds.
Orks? Eldar? have you actually SEEN one or just hear stories?
Astartes? Sounds like downgraded Clanner Elementals.
Travel through hell as FTL? Clearest proof 40k is 99% propaganda.

>>96112537
Usually I prefer 4/6 designs, you’re still getting taxed at the same 5-6 hex run bracket since you can’t reach a 7-hex run, but you get an extra movement point to turn or duck into woods before you forfeit the +2 TMM.

How do they manage to convince anyone to man any light mech, when average Locust, Commando or Javelin turn to dust on eye contact?

>>96113116
In universe, light mechs are usually free to run away after accomplishing their mission of scouting or screening, instead of being traded for a suicidal backstab on any mech heavier than them.

>>96113116
Death beats dispossession, and glory favors the bold.
also what this anon said >>96113142

>>96113116
light mech pilots do not engage mechs in-universe, a lot not even other light mechs. minobu tetsuhara in katana kat etc was just insane dcms lunacy. the exception that proves the rule.

your wolfhound jock is best suited never fighting mechs
>fucking phelan kell mary sue tard
and instead getting behind vees to shoot them in their assholes. to run to the enemy HQ building and fucking merc it.

light mechs are supposed to be using the
>don't be there
>don't be seen
>don't be hit
layers of the survivability onion.

>>96112537
Who would actually say they prefer 3/5?

>>96112048
ton to ton
clearly the best way to measure arms
may i interest you in several thousand infantry?

>>96113296
In a vacuum nobody, but you're always giving up something for 4/6 at those tonnages. Sometimes it's far too much for the benefit.

>>96107559
Where are the boots anon. You said you'd post them. :3

>>96113175
I love this. It's basically how I run my locusts. The "Whoopwhoopwhoopwhoop" is the cherry on the cake XDDD

>>96113311
Yes? Have you gotten lost on your way to /v/ or something?
Cost in C-Bills isn't really an indicator of anything at all. Charger costs more per unit than an Awesome. If you really think money spent on arms development programs is indicator of anything other than ability of your military industrial complex to suck the government dry you only need to look at F-22. Or F-35. Or Comanche.
Meanwhile tonnage is extremely relevant in universe with limited means of interstellar transportation (cuz dropships don't grow on trees and jumpships even less so) and it's one of the main advantages of clantech. BV was made specifically because of that becoming a problem after Clans were released.

>>96113531
>Cost in C-Bills isn't really an indicator of anything at all.
Do you think we will be one day be able to unfuck FASAnomics?

>>96113541
We'll have to wait for the next guys to pick up the IP and see, my money is on "no".

>>96113541
FASAnomics are part of the charm of the setting.

>>96112942
4/6 is perfect for anything 75-85 tons. Above that and you're spending too much engine tonnage. Other engine types of course have their own sweet spots, but with standard fusion, you want to sit on the plateau if you're going 4/6.

>>96113567
70 and 90 tons mechs on the standard engine chart only lose out on 1.5 tons of space each, they’re close enough to optimal that the missing pod space isn’t a make or break sort of thing. On the XL chart, 4/6 is optimal for 95 tons and only loses .5 tons of pod space at 90 and 1.25 tons at 100. Lots of range in those numbers to make viable fast assaults, and pod space doesn’t mean much if you’re never in position to capitalize on it.

>>96112593
>Also, the designers of Huntsman configurations were all on crack.
Think of it like some clan scientist figured that what the world needs is the baby of a Shad and a Blackjack.

If I bring a 4/3 Charger C to a game this weekend, am I doing terrorist things to my opponent, or is this a reasonable skill spread to run on that mech? Really I just want it because it’s a clan mech with a bloodhound probe and I’m trying to play for the Recon agenda in Instant Action, but since I’ve already got a Viper R in the list maybe I can settle for a heavy or assault with a regular probe instead.

>>96114214
>80 t assault mech
>recon mech
feeling steiner today, are you?

>>96114255
It runs 13 hexes and has an active probe and ECM. It’s a scout mech.

>>96114113
AAA BASED, Maids are fucking goated.
Good taste

>>96114271
okay oberhauptmann steinberg

This next grudge match is going to involve Marik Maids I know it.

Have another pic from the event before the thread goes, I'm currently finishing up their bases with cozy snowy dioramas

>>96114516
I know its meant to be JJ but honestly looks like it is wearing a cape.

>>96114534
There was an actual mech wearing a cape on our team, he got shot at by half the enemy team and didn't die

>>96114574
>Item: Cape
>+4 to hit modifiers to opponents firing on this unit
Feel more mechs need banners and other decorations on them. I know some do but needs that swag factor.

>>96114619
CGL has got you covered fren

>>96114675
Goddamnit I knew that was coming.
I am still so angry with this. If they went full sword and sorcery with mechs in space I'd be interested in it. This abomination is just a shitty ripoff of an even more autistic setting.

>>96114738
What the fuck IS Gothic anyway? I haven't looked much into it, thought it was just a themed model line or something. Is this supposed to be a full AU?

>>96112544

Actually, somewhat relevant in that I'm putting together a clan list and I have roughly 1200BV to spend. I figure a really speedy little fucker, preferably with an SRM to crit hunt, better yet with some small or medium pulse would be great, but I'm stuck between the cheapo Fire Falcon and Mist Lynx as options. Anyone prefer one or the other? Got favourite configs? The jumping on the Mist Lynx sounds cool, but it triggers my autism its only got jump 6 and so can't unlock the better dodging of Jump 7.

>>96114809

What do you count as a "full AU?"

Yes, they did do a write-up of a full Alternate setting for it.

The problem is the writeup is incredibly lazy and unimaginative and basically leaves the setting mostly the same, hitting the same beats, just with some monsters thrown in.

>>96114815
Ice Ferret G comes in at under 1200 and has a pair of SRM 4s, a pair of ER Small Pulse Lasers, and 4 AP Gauss rifles. Short ranged, but much better armor than either the Arctic Cheetah or the Fire Falcon, and it should still do the crit-hunting job well. As long as you can live without the jump jets, that’s what I would take.

>>96114850
>just with some monsters thrown in.
Worst yet, the monsters, being the most interesting bit of divergence, don't even get construction rules!

>>96114675
>PXH record sheet has a sword, but the unique mini sculpt created specifically to be the variant they have for this game doesn't.
Goddamnit CGL. The fact that their design is half a ton underweight is just the capstone to CGL fuckups in general.

How do you guys feel about capture objectives?

>>96114255
Tbf, we have scout tanks, and we know that assault mechs can run faster than a modern tank can drive.

>>96114948

Sadly dont' got one of those, but i'll keep that guy in mind

>>96114675
I'm getting it. I think it'll be fun.

>>96115414
The scout 'tanks' tend to be lighter than the MBTs though.

>>96115579
Yes, but even a modern MBT will still be slower than an assault mech while having a fraction of the power and no ability to traverse rough terrain for scouting purposes.

>>96115592
That's why MBTs aren't used as scouts, and neither should assault mechs, there is a world of superior options.

>>96115629
Force Recon anon

Sometimes you want to be able to recon but blow up what you see

>>96115648
A number of medium and heavy mechs are well suited for this purpose. I mentioned earlier to somebody a Thunderbolt with TSM that Steiner would probably love to stomp ground with looking for things to shoot.

Other than the Charger and a few other odd-men out, generally even the Steiner camp will probably be closer to heavies.

>>96115693
I always personally found it a little odd they don't use stealth aircraft for recon but I suppose loitering time and combat power is more important

>>96115708
There's probably some stealth armored vtols and confighters that we just don't hear about.

>>96115729
Maybe, but IIRC they never really invented stealth like we did, the writers wrote the setting before modern stealth was really known about.

>>96115708
The flexibility and the threat is both very useful. You could throw a Ferret in the air to point and soiface shouting "IT'S A FUCKING ATLAS III" when it sees a Banshee on a ridge-line, but a modestly armed lance on patrol can both get it and its lancemates to fuck off if you catch them in the open, or link up with other elements to take them down. Just having units in the field can also deter these kinds of incursions too; since intelligence goes both ways.

>>96115648
Reconnaissance-in-force is not just regular recon but with guns. A recon in force unit looks exactly the same as an attack unit, because their objective is to find out the hard way if an attack on this front would work. They're not there to see what the enemy has, they're there to see if the enemy can stop them. They want to be caught to force the enemy to react. If the enemy can't, then it turns into a regular attack and they break through. If the enemy can, then they either pull back or attack anyway depending on how bad it looks. They're not there to find the enemy, they know where the enemy is and are there to poke them violently. They just have the discretion to pull back whenever since they're not supporting a bigger push at that exact moment.

>>96112569
>Interesting. Do you think Clan Omnis still hold up if its Clan on Clan violence?

Absolutely. Especially against the LPL+TC boats you're being recommended, decent mobility and longer range (ERLL, ERPPC, LRM) will win out.

The Summoner...there's some decent configs, not least of which is the Primary. But spending that weight on JumpJets hurts. It's really only a niche operator for when you need JJs.

So are the clanners canonically sticking with just the standard configs, or is ever warrior tweaking them to their liking?

>>96116112
In rules there's nothing stopping them from swapping pods, but it's not really probably their choice unless they're in command. The configurations are already mission specific, so their star/galaxy commander is probably the one deciding what they're running and they're going to be picking the existing configuration that suits the mission brief or trial.

They'll probably get handed pods that suit their aptitudes and role, but mix and match is probably very unusual unless you're a big dick bloodname in the keshik.

>>96116112
Depends on how big a dick you got in the pecking order. Most use standards unless they're like a Star Captain or higher. It's not a bad thing, because otherwise you'd have newly-christened mechwarriors be the poor fucks picking through the omnipod leftovers after everyone else gets their customs together.

There's also the way omnis are supposed to be used vs. how super major characters use them. Omnis are supposed to swap out according the battle type. Have a Black Hawk and you're vehicle hunting solahma scum? Take a D. Having a duel against a single asshole for a rank up? Take an H. Want to put the fear of god into the elemental points holding the city? Take the L.

Major characters tend to optimize their machine to their fighting style instead, which winds up just being the same as a custom and pointless as an omni.


Also heard the guitar riff as soon as I started typing this post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZMcHA4dj-o

Question, does the BV posted on Master Unit List assume the standard 4/5 for Inner sphere mechs and the 3/4 for Clanner mechs or does it require further adjustment? I'm using Flechs for data sheets.

Just building a few lists for my Clan trinary and I want to make sure I'm fighting fair.

>>96117074
Always 4/5. Clanners never get their skill bonus for free.
But MUL does give you a little skill matrix so you can see what its BV is at any given skill combo.

>>96117085
Appreciate that anon! From what I understand, Japanese CBT players organize their lists based on tonnage alone?

>>96117098
I would assume Japanese players organize their forces based on whatever the last system they got translated was. Which I think was 2nd edition in 92, which predates BV and even CV, so maybe.

What units do you guys usually bring to the table? Or do you like to mix it up as much as possible? Last night we did a star vs lance game and I murked a battlemaster with my vapor eagle, good times.

>>96117206
I really like bringing IS omnimechs and battle armor for maximum Dragon Honoring.

>>96115152
DESU, anything is better than a simple brawl. I grew up playing that horrible Jungle Strike ripoff Mechwarrior game and I always like to come up with weird scenarios and see which ones and side my buddies want to play.

My favorite was one where the attacker was allowed to field a bunch of vees on the edge of the board and the defenders had to defend a hardened building from the onslaught until they got drop ship extraction after a number of turns.

Capture objectives are a lot of fun provided there's more objectives going on for the opposing side. Otherwise they kind of just devolve into brawls.

>>96117242
>. I grew up playing that horrible Jungle Strike ripoff Mechwarrior game

I too once owned a Sega Genesis...

>>96117234
Shit, I'm painting a DC lance for the first time in years. I think I'm done picking up CGL lance/clan packs and I'm just going to order from Iron Wind Miniatures.

>>96117250
The weird thing is that you're fucking with all of the invasion corridor IS factions. Pick a fucking lane and stay in it, clan wolf.

>>96117206
I like thematic, gimmicky units. I also like /mydudes/ being DCMS trained or experienced, frequently using mono units. simple because i love certain mechs and models.

what's better than an archer?
FOUR archers!
Archer Wolf, Archer C2, Archer C3, they're all fucking delicious classic archer goodness. so tasty.

replace panther scout lance with wolfhound scout lance.

fear the mighty dragon lance cavalry unit.

or 'drac harder' with mauler, hatamoto chi, dragon and hunchback. all of which have utterly fucking delicious 3145 models.

>>96117268
I still want to run my all melee Drac lance.

>>96117250
My best friend and I used to run it two-player as kids. We switched from torso/weapons and legs/navigation. Found it last week at a used game store and had him over for beers and games.

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>>96114960
The terrible 1-2 punch of making something people didn't really want, and then it turns out to be pretty disappointing and crappy even for the ones who did want it.

I hope the anime one is better, or at least really funny.

>People near me don't like playing past 3050
>All my stuff I like to run (Shen Long BA, Regent, Tian Zong, Gun) is Jihad/Dark ages

>>96117268
Ok nuln.

>>96117325
Are people just afraid of the learning curve of introducing new tech? Because it's not that difficult.

>>96117206
I have at least a company for each house, so I decide what house I'm going to play as and then make a formation from some combination of those mechs. I don't have 5+ dupes of any mechs, so some combinations just will never happen.

>>96117331
Grogs who think everything past Civil War era is bad

>>96117206
I try to only use my like-painted units together, and I paint them in lances based on what feels like it would be a good lance in a vacuum. Like if someone said "here is a lance from X regiment" and it was what I painted, I wouldn't blink twice.
Right now I've hit a snag since I decided to paint up some Raging Horde, but since they mostly still operate as Stars and I don't want to paint up ten Saxons and 50 elementals, I'll probably just cut them down to what I have access to and use them as a minor auxiliary force.

>>96117242
I had an idea for a scenario.
>The players are each allotted two Battlemechs, five infantry, and three tanks. Mechs could be up to 55 tons, and the vehicles cannot be more than 55 as well.
>They were deployed in the center of the map, inside a small town.
>Their goal is to defend it for eleven rounds, with the first round being used to position themselves.
>Infantry are allowed within trenches that will provide a +1 to targeting from enemy attackers.
>The enemy forces would be a mix of Galleons, Hawkmoths, at least two Sparrowhawks for support every two rounds, and Battlemechs up to 45 tons.
>The amount depends on how many players are present. If four players, then two mechs whose combined weight makes up the total of each player's mechs will be deployed(If a player's heaviest mech is say, 55, then one lance of a 20 and 35 will be deployed to target that player's section of the city).
>Only the players will have infantry.
>If you can hold out for ten rounds, a pair of Dropships will land just outside the city, and the players will have to make their ways to it.
>At the same time, two Zeuses will emerge from the south and north and close in on the city. You don't have to kill them, just make your way to the dropship.
Its a little out there, but I wanted something interesting to spark things up.
>>96117250
I fixed my Genesis last year. Works like a charm.

>>96117436
That sounds like a blast, I'd play that in a heartbeat.

Honestly the wackier the scenario, the more I'd want to try it. I don't care if I win or lose, I have too much fun with this game to give a damn.

>>96117331
>Because it's not that difficult.

It's not, but it is incredibly complicated for little to no benefit.

>>96117337
That's obviously wrong.
Everything past SW is bad.

>>96117468
Well there were suppose to also be what I call "Coin Events". A coin is flipped every other round.
If it lands on heads, a heavy mech between 60 and 70 tons will land on the board and provide long range support.
If it lands on tails, a bombing run will commence from the Sparrowhawks with actual bombs, sweeping across a certain area.
If the mechs are selected, then I flip the coin again. Heads, and it stays Spheroid, Tails, and it becomes a Clanner 60 tonner. A Predator Prime the first time and, if its destroyed and another Clan mech is randomly selected, a Shadow Cat II.

YOU, yes YOU have been given a chance to meet with the head of Comstar's entertainment division about putting a new show on the HPG waves! What is your show pitch?

>>96117794
A "documentary" series named "amaris' secret weapons". Each episode focuses on a piece of equipment or technical plan employed by the amaris regime, vastly overstating their abilities, sometimes outright fabricating stated qualities, and sensationalizing them to an almost comical degree.

>>96117831
After some deliberation, they greenlight a single season. They will have a Comstar Historian attached to the project to ensure accuracy.

>>96117794
We need to capitalize on the viewers nostalgia for the Somerset Strikers anime — especially if they never actually watched the original show. Of course, we will do some casting to update the original and bring it in line with the sensibilities of the modern audience, like Franklin can be gay and Rachel will be the main character. Also, let’s downplay the mechs. And the real antagonist will be Adam Steiner because of his entrenched chauvinistic worldviews. We’ll show the open mindedness of Clan Jade Falcon, as they have shed all the typical Inner Sphere prejudices like misogyny and transphobia.

>>96118279
In another time period this might have been Greenlit, but you came across the more conservative branch of Comstar's Entertainment Division, facing a man known as Burt "Mustachio" Stormtoe. The Division will have a half hour meeting, before telling you that your show will not be funded. The excuse is that they cannot spare for animation budget, even if they outsource to the Draconis Combine, but in reality, they aren't interested in something like that. They suggest going to the Tharkad Broadcasting Company.

>>96118341
House Liao has generously agreed to fund production on condition the how not be broadcast in Capellan space.

>>96117268
Hi nuln.
You still can't spam unique units.

>>96118365
Get fucked faggot. Its a legal unit, so its legal for play.

>>96117326
Go forth and fuck thine own face.

>>96117268
There is no Archer C 3 nuln. You'd know that if you played the game instead of hiding in the country

>>96118567
Not if I don't agree to it being on the table. Which I never will. Cope and kill yourself.

>>96101091
I'll post the sfw version of something I got commissioned. Fun fact: I also got custom water-slide decals of the nsfw alt so that I can put them on my BT dropships

>>96119039
Not that anon, but coward behavior. If you hate the variant that much, just shoot it down and claim it as salvage like Blake intended.

>>96119041
Turbo based. How much do custom decals usually run you? I might need to do the same.

>>96119039
No one will ever play with you, you No Fun Allowed Munchkin faggot.

>>96119099
Says the guy running monolances of Clan tech refits outside their appropriate eras

>>96119048
Ran me $60 for a full sheet, I used Bedlam Creations and I would recommend them.

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