Thread 96134103

Reanimation Edition

>Bans
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>News
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>Spoilers
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CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES
>Current meta, complete with deck lists
https://www.mtgtop8.com/
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/
>Build and share casual decks
https://deckstats.net/
https://tappedout.net/

CUBE RESOURCES
>Build and share Cubes
https://cubecobra.com/landing

CARD RESOURCES
>Search engines
https://scryfall.com/
https://mtg.wtf/
>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://www.makeplayingcards.com/
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM
>Play online for free
https://untap.in/
https://dr4ft.info/

>What is EDH?
https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1

>WotC's War Crimes
https://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)
https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)

>Previously
>>96117097

>TQ
Favorite reanimation card?

>turns you black
how do you respond without sounding mad?

Been doing pretty well with this on the ladder. Delney is one of those cards that may finally see some play post rotation. It's pretty brutal with Blood Artist style effects.

>opponent jace's to give my Sephiroth -3/-0 while I have Voice of Victory in play. I untap and play Delney

Deck
4 Infestation Sage (FDN) 64
4 Swamp (FIN) 300
4 Nesting Bot (DFT) 22
4 Plains (FIN) 294
4 Bartolomé del Presidio (LCI) 224
4 Sephiroth, Fabled SOLDIER (FIN) 115
4 Enduring Innocence (DSK) 6
2 Delney, Streetwise Lookout (MKM) 12
4 Vengeful Bloodwitch (FDN) 76
1 Archangel Elspeth (MOM) 6
2 Zahur, Glory's Past (DFT) 229
2 Get Lost (LCI) 14
1 Eaten Alive (FDN) 172
2 Corrupted Conviction (MOM) 98
1 Midgar, City of Mako (FIN) 286
4 Concealed Courtyard (KLR) 282
4 Caves of Koilos (DMU) 244
1 Shadowy Backstreet (MKM) 268
4 Starting Town (FIN) 289
4 Voice of Victory (TDM) 33

Sideboard
3 Duress (STA) 29
4 Cathar Commando (MID) 10
1 Exorcise (DSK) 8
2 Cut Down (DMU) 89
2 Get Lost (LCI) 14
3 Ghost Vacuum (DSK) 248

I'm trying to make a budget friendly Foundations cat deck, and I think I'm happy with the cards I chose. Any suggestions on how many copies of each card to run?

>>96134103 (OP)
EoE is over.
Are you ready for a trip to New York anons?

>>96134362
People make constructed limited decks?

>>96134226
I've also been abusing delney + voice in a boros mobilize shell, it gets out of hand pretty quickly

>>96134470
not everyone is a turbo obese sweaty

>>96134362
You have to understand that being "budget" is just another way of saying that you're a loser.

The retards who encourage playing budget decks are losers who just want your clicks and views. Yeah, I understand the game is expensive but either you pay or be a loser. The only way to actually get better is to play the best decks - check mtgtop8.com. Most people playing this game are crack addicted losers, but the people who are only crack addicted know that budget is a word spoken only by losers.

>>96134362
run 4x of everything that costs less than 3 mana
max out on the 3s that put bodies on the board
finish your curve with like 4~6 removal spells and some top end

If your format has the concept of a "budget deck" your format is comically expensive and you are just gaslighting naive retards into joining so you can farm them with your strictly superior and more money intensive decks, a 100 "budget" deck is almost always slang for "Spend 100 bucks on a dogshit deck that cannot be upgraded into a real deck" or, in the best case scenario "Spend 100 bucks into a worse version of a good deck so you can get your skull caved in except when you get lucky".

Along with that most of the premodern decks are 250$+ put into worthless cards, and "Muh proxies" isn't a really good argument because most people don't like them, it looks bad, and also most stores will still demand shit like gold bordered cards (even more worthless) as "proxies" or you'll say "just use chinaman proxies" without noting all the disadvantages that has, like getting store banned.

I'd even note that a lot of the actually good decks have shit like x4 Cradle, wastelands and a shitton of your tournaments also demand print specific because once more, it isn't a sanctioned format with hard set rules and said printings are all on the inherent reserved list.

Oh and btw, the average pauper deck is now in the 50 to 80$ range buying at the comically overpriced big name shops like TCGPlayer and Starcity of david with any expensive card being a perenial multi format staple (lotus petal, hydro/pyro variants) most of the time and the only real barrier of entry is skill, because in mtgo you can very easily pay your renting and then buy your deck and keep printing $

Sorry, not sorry if you are going to shill your format, which other than not being very competitive and having one big issue for long term high intensity play (closed format, which is also the inverse for long term low intensity play) isn't super bad, at least be fucking honest Mr. I am so super vvhite and aryan but I'll behave like my own racist caricature of a scheming brown jew

>>96134583
it's 2025 and $30 mono red burn can still win FNM
budget brews do work, but you need to play good formats like modern

>>96134103 (OP)
>TQ
I despise the MH2 version of this card.

>>96134446
Unless we're getting spider support, probably not.

>>96134704
Fuck.

>>96134646
>If your format has the concept of a "budget deck" your format is comically expensive
what format are you playing? lol

>>96134792
Pauper

>>96134446
Nope. I am playing on Arena.

>>96134646
>comically expensive
The reality is that most viable premodern decks cost no more than viable standard deck with most t1+2 decks costing under $400. Except you only have to buy your deck once. A deck like Psychatog ($200 if you're not a chump who puts intuition into it while still losing the tournament) has just as good of a chance winning, especially with duress, in a game against stiflenought. Stiflenought is also notoriously weak to discard as found in the pitrack deck which can be gotten $200 if you're not too fussy about card conditions or the printing. Another $200, mono-red burn, can utterly wipe the floor with stiflenought as it is often the case that nought will not draw its combo soon enough or will not have enough protection to get past the sideboard.
>worthless cards
Worth is in the eye of the beholder.
>x4 Cradle,
Really expensive of course. But outside of elves or specific green decks, this really isn't ran very often. Mox Diamond is ran more often and it has it's own downsides. In some cases, a deck may be better off without them. Getting a deck that may be better in quite a few situations without
>wastelands
>gold bordered cards
Is kinda an example where it makes a card like wasteland more affordable. Heavily played original wasteland is about $17-$20 per cards. Whereas some of the gold-bordered options can be gotten for $6-7 dollars. Another option is the white bordered mystery cards which are legal in all formats, are $9-10 near mint. An alternative like dust bowl which is superior in certain decks can be gotten for $0.10 to $0.15 if you get the thunder junction breaking news one where as the original is $8 damaged. Again, premodern rules allow for ALL LEGAL PRINTINGS including such reprints.
>a shitton of your tournaments also demand print specific
They don't. This is false. Also pic related.

Haven't been around here in a while, how was FF received?

Prepioneer no RL > Premodern.

>>96134984
>Haven't been around here in a while, how was FF received?
It was a giant turd but everyone bought it.

What's a good rule of thumb for how many copies of interaction/removal spells to include in a 60 card deck that is primarily focusing on tribal or synergy and tempo? Like I'm decent enough at picking out cards that synergize and combo together, but I find myself only packing like 4 removal spells which isn't enough.

>>96135076
>What's a good rule of thumb for how many copies of interaction/removal spells to include in a 60 card deck that is primarily focusing on tribal or synergy and tempo? Like I'm decent enough at picking out cards that synergize and combo together, but I find myself only packing like 4 removal spells which isn't enough.
Depends on what threats you're facing, which of those threats are faster than you and which of them are able to wall you.

7 copies of an effect means you'll typically draw at least 1 per game.

>>96135076
>rule of thumb for removals
8 for aggro
10 for midrange
12 for control

ymmv

It's turn 1, I play a mountain and cast Heartfire Hero
Your turn, /tg/

>>96135198
BEGONE, FOUL CREATURE

>>96135198
I call the judge and have you arrested for playing a banned card.
GG.

>>96135198
swamp and wait for manifold mouse

Kamigawa had fun cards.

>>96135068
>Prepioneer
Elaborate

>>96135250
I play my own swamp then duress you
>>96135215
untap, land, play another mouse

>>96135259
It's the sets
pre pioneer

No RL means the barrier to entry (price) is relatively low.

>>96135076
most aggro decks should have 6~8 removal spells to get blockers out of the way
midrange decks might run a couple of extra but they should be more costly but versatile
control decks run a ton of removal, it depends if you're tapout control or instant speed control

How fat and smelly are tryhards at LGS's typically? I rarely play outside my pod, but I imagine most people at LGS's run netdeck jank.

>>96135215
If only they just printed
>exile target non-land permanent with mana cost 2 it's owner gains 2 life
For one white and just reprinted fatal push. They probably wouldn't have had to ban mouse.

>>96135343
>>with mana cost 2
or less.

>>96135343
>good white removal in 2025
That's prohibited anon

>>96135354
>That's prohibited
one might say that's a TALL ASK

>>96135323
>How fat and smelly are tryhards at LGS's typically?
Yes.
Make sure your LGS has a bathroom.

>>96135215
Based flavor text and art.
We are so used to slop that even in 2019 there are some soulful cards, when did everything went wrong?

>>96135354
>card name: Kampf
>mana cost: W
>supertype: instant
>rules test: exile target non-land permanent with mana cost 2 or less. If the permanent was non-white, you gain 2 life.
>flavor text: "If freedom is short of weapons, we must compensate with willpower." -Adolf Hitler

Chatterblossom {1R}
Enchantment
At the beginning of combat on your turn, you lose 1 life and create a 1/1 red mouse creature token with "Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability you control for the first time each turn, put a +1/+1 counter on it" and "When this creature dies, it deals damage equal to its power to each opponent". It gains haste until end of turn.

>>96135432
>At the beginning of combat on your turn, you lose 1 life
WOAH THERE buddy, what the FUCK is this SHIT!?
We don't want our players to feel bad!
This has to change.

Maybe

>If you control a mouse, you gain 1 life and each opponent loses 1 life.
I think that would be better.

>If your format has the concept of a "budget deck" your format is comically expensive and you are just gaslighting naive retards into joining so you can farm them with your strictly superior and more money intensive decks, a 100 "budget" deck is almost always slang for "Spend 100 bucks on a dogshit deck that cannot be upgraded into a real deck" or, in the best case scenario "Spend 100 bucks into a worse version of a good deck so you can get your skull caved in except when you get lucky".
>Along with that most of the premodern decks are 250$+ put into worthless cards, and "Muh proxies" isn't a really good argument because most people don't like them, it looks bad, and also most stores will still demand shit like gold bordered cards (even more worthless) as "proxies" or you'll say "just use chinaman proxies" without noting all the disadvantages that has, like getting store banned.
>I'd even note that a lot of the actually good decks have shit like x4 Cradle, wastelands and a shitton of your tournaments also demand print specific because once more, it isn't a sanctioned format with hard set rules and said printings are all on the inherent reserved list.
>Oh and btw, the average pauper deck is now in the 50 to 80$ range buying at the comically overpriced big name shops like TCGPlayer and Starcity of david with any expensive card being a perenial multi format staple (lotus petal, hydro/pyro variants) most of the time and the only real barrier of entry is skill, because in mtgo you can very easily pay your renting and then buy your deck and keep printing $
>Sorry, not sorry if you are going to shill your format, which other than not being very competitive and having one big issue for long term high intensity play (closed format, which is also the inverse for long term low intensity play) isn't super bad, at least be fucking honest Mr. I am so super vvhite and aryan but I'll behave like my own racist caricature of a scheming brown jew

>>96135432
You know, this design is cool

I'm seeing an engine, but I"m NOT seeing its own fuel. Maybe you should add some way to target things, that way people who don't have cards in hand (Bad feelings!) can still trigger the Mouse token's counters?

>>96135441
I miss what MTG design used to be.

anyone have recent purchases of paper cards they wanna show?

I had this discussion today so I hope you can settle it /mtg/ is this card an aggro, midrange, combo or control card?

>>96135458
Midrange.

Midrange is not an archetype, it is power creep under a different name.

If a card fills more than one role at a time, it is Midrange slop and not a real Magic card.

>>96135432
Some people just want to see the whole world burn uh?

>>96135458
tempo

>>96135458
It's a card that should've been banned a long time ago.

We have precedent with the Tarmogoyf tokens, so you don't need to say what the mouse token does.

Anyways, great design bros. WotC wishes they had our talent.

>>96135458
Midrange, that shit enters in the same disgusting category of “Fable of the Buttbreaker” a card that for an absolutely laughable price gives you an insane value, a corpse and some sort of recursion.

This kind of cards are also known as “mistakes” but it’s primary a Midrange card.

>>96135478
>At the beginning of combat...
B-b-b-b-b-but what happens if my opponent removes it first!
That would be sad :(

>>96135458
>1/1 Prowess that draws two cards on ETB for U
Who thought of this?

>>96135487
He's right. It should be changed to
>Whenever a player gains priority, create a Heartfire Hero token. ..... This ability only triggers eleven times per phase.

I hope they make an WWI inspired plane eventually.

>>96135530
>World Wars inspired plane but there are no warring parties, only victims of war somehow, because it would be politically incorrect to do otherwise.

>cutter and mice gets banned
>UR aggro and RDW playrates go down
>combo entirely gone since netdeckers can't make their own decks and losing that four mana cost reanimate kills the deck
>UB midrange goes back up
>few weeks later vivi-cauldron playrate is up to 25% and rising
>UB midrange going down again
>control still barely played
My predictions: rotation will change very little. Most of EoE is way to slow. Pain-lands will be replaced by Starting Town (more splash enabled because of this too). Shock-lands will replace fast-lands. And vivi-cauldron will get some more bans for reaching 40%. It only loses one sideboard card and only has to swap lands for the rotation.

>>96135530
It would probably just be trench crusade in mtg.

>>96135542
I really hope that motherfucker Vivi gets banned, what a disgusting card

>need some quick arena win dailies
>load up mono black deck in pioneer
>mulligan til i hit a thoughtseize
>use it turn 1
>wait ~20 seconds looking at their hand
>they scoop
>dailies done
works almost every time. does this happen in irl games?

>>96135592
>does this happen in irl games?
Seize being in a format basically deletes all combo decks from that format.

>>96135592
I don’t really care about Thoughtseize because I play control or Midrange but considering how many Lotus/Quintorious/Ramp and Tibalts combo decks there are in Pioneer then is not a surprise you can literally shut down a deck with a good Thoughtseize

>>96135592
the dailies are more about spells cast though

>>96135632
>win dailies
basically just the first 4 or so wins of the day that give decent gold, i let the actual daily quests pile up for a few days so i can knock them all out at once.

>>96135660
It would be best to just do the daily "play X" quest as efficiently as possible. If it's based on color, especially if you get lucky and get blue, you can do it in only a few short games.

>>96134103 (OP)
just stumbled upon this disgusting thing as I logged after a while. How much longer will we have to deal with this shit? Isn't woke over? Get on with the times already Hasbro. Knowing the sets are made 3 years in advance or so... 2 more years of pronouns before we are back full on ass and tiddy? One can dream... a dream with a Nikke collaboration...

>>96135660
going past 4 wins is definitely a meme
I usually don't even get 4 because I play Starter Deck event (good format)

lol the gay little arena baby is still crying about 'woke' on social media.
seeing one picture of a woman is enough to send him here to have a meltdown

>>96135718
this is the future that Asia is fighting for... let them win... onegai...

just looking at how hilariously EROTIC shadowbabs has become makes me weep for mtg

>>96135718
You'll have to deal with it only until Hasbro goes out of business.

>>96135732
why can't we have this Hasbro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYjrNjAz9ps
it isn't fair bros

>>96135732
>>96135743
now show gameplay lol

>>96135591
it just got printed and mega sold out to newbies coming in, it wont be banned for at least a year

>>96135732
>>96135743
never go full smut

This is my post-heartfire hero heroic mouse aggro deck
what do you think?

>>96135843
Meh. Aggro is just so boring. Especially the +1/+1 counter spam aggro.

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Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>96135865
I am going to singlehandedly build a Premodern scene at my LGS

>>96135865
>>96135944
my chinesium bulk sleeves and deckboxes are arriving tomorrow or monday, i'm gonna print out a premodern battle box at my local print shop and invite people to try out the format :3

Returning player here. Just did a trad chromatic, felt nice as always.
Is the Mastery still worth nowadays?

>>96136026
Depends what you want out of the Mastery. Check the rewards.
You get fewer gems back than you put in, a lot of what you're spending on is packs and cosmetics. So if you're a Limited player it's definitely not worth.

>>96135865
I'LL ATTACK FOR TREE FITTY

kona omniscience will be the next meta I fucking promise

>>96135865
Your life total sir?

>>96136058
I'm still at 4 life, I've got lethal on board and all you've got is 1 unknown card in hand and 2 tapped mountains on board, I've got this game ON LOCK

>>96136068
You must be hallucinating from the shock of 30 cards in my graveyard and 10 cards in my hand with a tapped and attacking, unblocked psychatog.

>>96136074
Your life total sir?

Who else holds extra lands in their hand as a bluff?

>>96136080
still 20

>>96136081
I always assume that my opponent has all lands in his hand when he's sitting there with a few cards doing nothing. Even if he's playing blue.

UNBAN THIS NOW

>>96136074
>>96136082
Based Tog poster with Gush into Foil combo in hand.

>>96136122
Quantum Riddler would be pretty good in vintage with 4x street wraith 4x git probe in the deck
instead you're capped at 4/1 and baubles don't cantrip with warp

>>96134199
>ayo why you do dat at me nigga

control fags should unalive themselves in minecraft

>>96135944
Holy based.

Managed to get around 5 people to come and play some Premodern at my LGS later this afternoon.
Going to bring my Gob deck and my Reanimator deck.
Wish me luck, guys.

Kneel.

>>96136244
What exactly am I looking at here?

>>96136269
budget jank

>>96136273
How about playing an actual balanced format instead?

>>96136289
my LGS doesn't run it

EoE update?

>>96136297
Be the change you want to see.

Be honest. How many of you here have netdecked?

>>96136309
Yeah so?
If nobody netdecked then every pro tour for the past 8 years would have been actually diverse instead of 7/8 copycats. Standard is a solved format as soon as prerelease is over the weekend and sweaty grinders plug numbers 24/7 on Arena to find out the most efficient deck in a week until the meta gets oversaturated and lo and behold, bans are needed.(except for Omni because noses have to have their pet cards untouched so they need a scapegoat like Awakening)

>>96136298
I don't know that that anon made those calculations (tried checking them to make sure mine were correct, but I got different answers), but it seems to be pretty similar to Duskmourn. By the way, gotta love how a quarter of the legendary cards are just duplicate versions of the same characters. What a great use of card design.

>>96136309
Haven't netdecked since I started playing outside the occasional budget build, but I also don't play too much anymore either.

>>96136318
Have you ever tried not being antisemetic for one day of your life?

>>96136298
Why is everything a Legendary creature now?
Why?

>>96136348
Ignoring the obvious spikes (we'll probably get a lot more legendary creatures in Spider-Man and Avatar), I remember reading that they came to the realization some time after the return to Dominaria that legendary creatures allow them to put more powerful effects on uncommon creatures that they normally wouldn't want to put on uncommon creatures, so they started making more legendary creatures at uncommon ever since then.

When are the highest EV times to play MTGO?

I honestly loved Bloomburrow

>>96136330
>gotta love how a quarter of the legendary cards are just duplicate versions of the same characters. What a great use of card design.
Absolute creative triumph. Total display of maximum effort. Complete freshness embodied.

which decks do trannies play the most

>>96136380
>furry shit
You need to go back.

Are any of these really worth it? I have no idea what i want to make except improve my Kona deck and maybe make a dragon deck but $130 for 30 packs seems like not that bad. I never gamble, but it does sound kinda fun. There are a few other boxes on amazon and i with i had gotten a tarkir booster but not worth it at this point. Is there maybe another box i should get for more general pulls for deck building or more chances at high value pulls or something to fund a dragon deck? Most of my recent ones have been 100% proxy

>>96136418
anything Final Fantasy

>>96136427
buy singles for deck building, never sealed product

>>96136427
Singles is better for deck building but if you want to try your luck with packs, collector boosters are usually better. Play boosters are mainly for playing limited with friends

>>96136475
>>96136476
im aware of that but i just dont have anything in particular in mind. This Kona deck i got given some from a friend. bought a bunch of bulk on ebay, and then some singles and it might be okay. Just seems like it might be fun to open a bunch of stuff then build to that. Just not sure if its even worth that. Unlike my friends i dont have thousands of unused cards for building

>>96136337
The day JOTC actually makes powerful white cards, which by my count will be never.
Free Palestine

>>96136495
should also mention, when building from scratch i have no idea what to do. With my proxies i just went to mox and ordered the entire deck.

Saving White {1W}
Instant
When you cast this spell, if an opponent attacked you or committed a crime this turn, copy this spell.
Draw a card and you gain 2 life
"Holy shit" - Elspeth

>>96136495
Who are you going to be playing with? If it's just casual games with friends then go ahead, kitchen table magic can be a lot of fun if everyone's on the same page. If it's a deck you're gonna take to your LGS or something like that you may need something a bit more meta

>>96136495
>Unlike my friends i dont have thousands of unused cards for building
you think you don't, but you do: https://scryfall.com/
>1 – 60 of 30,152 cards where the card is available on Paper
just look up cards with characteristics you're interested in and then buy them as singles, there's no need to sort through physical bulk junk or buy scam boxes from wotc

>>96136529
all of my friends that play are 90ish min from me, i used to play spelltable more but since a few moved back and north of me they have a once a week night and that rarely happens now

>>96136542
https://moxfield.com/binders/yYyGO2jg9U-lhXX1hHMNjA/?internal=eyJuYW1lIjoiZ29ibGluIiwiY29sb3ItciI6dHJ1ZX0%253D
this is my profile/unused cards. its a fair amount but not enough to really make good decks. And they have the benefit of easily swapping cards with each other

>>96136542
>just look up cards with characteristics you're interested in and then buy them as singles
i have no idea what cards i should be using or anything. I dont really deck building, id rather give my friend tell me what to get.

When an opponent watches me draw and have to play *13* lands in a row while arena forcefeeds him a win he has to know he had nothing to do with it and isn't clever right

>>96136913
(He was a removal spammer who blasted off my first few creatures and then sat back with his arms crossed like I would have nothing left. Naturally, he turned out to be correct because from that point on the shuffler gave me literally 12 land cards in a row, while he continued passing and waiting with his removal spam. Eventually he decided to play a creature, which wasn’t anything I couldn’t handle if I just got some cards. My next card? The thirteenth land card in a row. Had to simply concede. This was in an alchemy deck with the normal proportion of 24 land cards out of 60. I would hope it was blatant enough that he himself could see it.)

>>96136998
>alchemy player meltdown
lol you get what you deserve you dog. none of the games in the format are real.

>>96137029
What do you prefer?

>>96136998
If you drew 13 lands in a row against a control deck, it means he also probably drew tons of removal in hand so whatever non-land you would've drawn could've been answered.
You lost the game the moment he managed to clean your board and keep a nice grip of cards, it just took you 13 turns to realize

>>96137084
I lost the game when I got 13 land cards in a row instead of an ability to play, actually
I have ways of countering people like him, but I can’t do it with land cards

>>96137097
what deck do you play?

>>96137239
It was a mono red

LGS says Final Fantasy is the best selling magic set ever and it isn't even close.
What crossover could top it? and when will universes beyond completely take over?

>>96137476
>LGS says Final Fantasy is the best selling magic set ever and it isn't even close.
52 dollar box EV is crazy though.

>>96137494
if boxes had positive EV, the store would not be selling them, retardbro

>>96137508
>if boxes had positive EV, the store would not be selling them, retardbro

>>96137476
Ff set convinced people who never touched a magic card to drop hundreds of dollars

>>96137494
Boxes always have awful EV. makes sense this one would sell despite that.

>>96137575
wasn't that the lord of the rings set?

>>96137658
Probably but I think ff wins out. It’s more relevant today and doesn’t have a controversy of tarnished legacy like lotr

>>96137680
>and doesn’t have a controversy of tarnished legacy like lotr
You know?
It's actually shocking that FF has survived this long, and is still producing games that aren't total shit.
I mean, 13 was nothing. 15 was a meme but it's still playable. And 16's actually good, aside from how visually generic it was.

It's a series that should have crashed and burned long ago with all the others. But it persists.

>>96137689
It hit my ff14 bros like a sledge hammer because that game is in dire straits lately and they I assume we’re craving some novel ff content or nostalgia and the magic set nailed it for them.

Final Fagasy has always been shit.
>still producing games that aren't total shit.
LMAO. You retards have shit taste with your press one button to win """"games.""""

>>96137476

>what crossover could top it?

Realistically only The Legend of Zelda

>>96137476
>What crossover could top it?
WWE BABYYYYY

>>96137476
dbz would active Latinos and Casuals the same way ff did weebs and boomers

>>96137811
>meanwhile in coomander: "my heckin giant spongebob taps to attack your triple H planeswalker!"

>>96137836

Not really inappropriate desu

>>96134103 (OP)
>OP Card
>cheat gigantosaurus in graveyard
>the cheat it into play
golgari eating good this fucking set holy!

>>96137680
surely most people haven't played a FF game since the PS1 era.
and I doubt that anyone cares about anything that's happened with LotR since the Peter Jackson films

>>96136913
>>96136998
The sooner you stop playing Arena the better. Absolutely 100% fake Magic experience no matter how you play on it.

>>96137476
Unfortunately for WotC and stores, Spider Man and Avatar are up next and they won't even do 10% of FF's numbers.

>>96137923
You are free to cope in any way you like, but your LGS will be 90% EDH anyway.

>>96137923
Only paper is real 100% genuine Magic experience, because that's where you can play with your aragorn and deadpool fighting against optimus prime and spiderman

>>96137952
coomander is not mtg

>>96137972
Yes it is.

>>96137952
this used to be the kind of thing people got bullied for.
now? its the thing you bully with.
world is a fuck.

>>96137992
No. It's not. MTG is a 1v1 game where a player can run up to four of each nonland card.

>>96137972
Aragorn is modern, spiderman is standard, everything is legacy.
And sorry to break your delusion but just look at card design, current mtg is all about the shitty multiplayer format, 1v1 is a sidegame made only for arena

>>96138013
Nobody plays this, everyone is playing EDH.

Only draft is real Magic.
Other formats are for people too shit for it.

>>96137864
I block your gigantosaurus with my 1/1 rabbit. Your move.

>>96138013
real mtg involves taking your opponent's deck and urinating on it to show chad dominance when you win. If you aren't releasing the stream of victory, you are not playing REAL mtg.

I secretly love sucking dick
I often play _________

>>96138210
Magic.

>>96138210
with my dick.

How the FLAMING. FUCK. is Cutter still legal in Pioneer?

This card is insanely good.

>>96138297
cus it unplayed

>>96138297
>playing fagoneer

>>96138297
>How the FLAMING. FUCK. is Fable of the
Mirror Breaker still legal in Pioneer?
>How the FLAMING. FUCK. is Rage still legal in Pioneer?
>How the FLAMING. FUCK. is Treasure Cruise still legal in Pioneer?
The answer is all the same they don't give a single fuck sadly

It is, in fact, one of the best midrange value trains I've ever brewed. Kino stuff.

I'm still exploring the potential. Artifacts have a lot of support to dig through, and Dinos have a few pieces to look at.

>>96138365
how about United Battlefront?

>>96138406
I hate going into 3c if I don't have to but that's a great suggestion. I'll add it to the considering list.

>>96138355
Pioneer.

>>96138341
I just have to comment on Poetic Ingenuity a bit. How nuts it is.

In multiples, you not only get double dinos, but you get double treasures too.

Two out? One dino attacking means two treasures. Two dinos means four. It ramps out of control VERY. VERY fast. Slinging artifacts off the treasure tokens your dinos make, treasures looping crypitc coat self-bounce to spam out more. It feels like a real machine.

Which Pauper decks do people consistently make money off of farming Leagues?

>>96138464
anything this guy plays
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/player/LuffyDoChapeuDePalha
he's a brazilian grinder

>>96137866
That’s just nostalgia bait at this point. Ff7 so iconic it gets the hobbit treatment with turning one story into 3 games

>>96138500
I assumed the answer would be just mono red aggro and affinity.. was hoping elves or some combo deck would also be viable.
That's helpful, thankful.
Do you know the goldfish pages of any other pro MTGO grinders?

>>96138533
Have you tried to check up league resoults?

I really wish they would just split modern into two. Leave the new stuff for Pioneer and then have a format that is just everything from before RTR and after Mirrodin. Just make a classic Modern: Mirrodin to Innistrad with none of the horizons junk allowed much like what was done with premodern.

Yeah it'll be solved fairly quickly just like Premodern. But lets be honest all the formats are pretty much solved anyways. MTG is won by either shutting down your opponent's deck completely or killing your opponent before they can do anything. New sets are mostly just adding a few powercrept versions of the same cards that were being played before if you're lucky.

New sets are just a few powercrept versions of the old stuff with mostly just terrible janky gimmick mechanics designed for casual commander. Aggro decks are just more powercrept faster versions of what was already there. New combo decks are just the same combos by another name. New control decks are mostly just old cards because the control cards were better a long time ago with few exceptions where you just pick up a powercrept version of an older card.

>>96138533
>Do you know the goldfish pages of any other pro MTGO grinders?
I know a few in pioneer
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/player/HEROtsukai
former blue spirits grinder, now he's into creativity
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/player/O_danielakos
cantrip enjoyer, plays a lot of phoenix and other blue decks
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/player/tchuco
black midrange player, plays a lot of rakdos

I have an idea for a custom card
Kidnapper
1RW
2/1
When ~ enters you may look at target opponent's hand and exile a non-land, non-instant card from their hand. As long as it remains exiled, any player can cast it on their turn. It costs (2) more to cast for its owner. You may pay the cost with mana of any color.

>>96138612
>I really wish they would just split modern into two
are you talking about wotc or the community in general? because premodern is a fan-made format, wotc would never support something they can't print more cards into

>>96138776
Community in general.
Meanwhile just start ignoring jotc official formats. Because lets face it there really hasn't been very much that's actually new from JotC printing more cards into most of the formats.

>>96138612
Modern was never good and it's currently doing better than most other formats.
You're whining about the same shit everyone has heard repeated hundreds of times on social media over the years to try to fit in.

>>96138641
Is Pioneer the softest format or something?
Weird that it has so many grinders

>>96139076
it's the complete opposite of what you're thinking here, there are so few grinders that it's easy for anyone who pays a little attention to league dumps and challenge results to name them
in contrast, modern is so full of grinders that if you looked at a top32, it would be hard to find someone who isn't one

>>96138210
Discard land destruction monoblack legacy

>>96139069
>You're whining about the same shit everyone has heard repeated hundreds of times on social media over the years to try to fit in
Shalom rabbi. I hope you're getting paid a lot of JotC shekels.

>>96138210
vivi orniter

>>96139164
still more mindlessly copying the same social media posts to try to fit...
you'll die without an original thought ever to pass through your head

>>96139187
>without an original thought ever to pass through your head
You've had fewer original thoughts than anyone else here.

>>96139076
Pioneer got cut from competitive official support so there are very few people trying the format than they should be

>>96136298
I can't be bothered to update the chart right now, but I'll tell you that EOE had 15 legendary creatures, even less than TDM's 16. Both very below curve for a post-WAR set. I wonder if WotC is shifting to having fewer legends in real sets to make room for UB sets being super loaded with legends.

>>96139199
lol another genius retort from the modern baby

Ban OBM, ban Daze, unban Survival, unban DRS, unban top (or make a functional reprint that has a "activate once per turn" clause).

>>96139459
best I can do is no changes + tell you oops is an interesting deck that tests player's deep knowledge about the format

>>96139496

Opps is very easy to beat once you understand the deck and actually respect it. 3-4x LOTV in the side plus 2x pithing/disruptor flute and of course some sort of interaction.

I would also ban Brazen Borrower. Blue should not have unconditional removal.

>>96139555

My bad I mean to say blue should have unconditional removal stapled to a fast clock.

>>96135718
go play games that cater to your interests instead of whining about games that cater to other ones

>>96139459
>unban top
lmao this is the dumbest suggestion out of all of these
do you not watch any vintage?

>>96139459
No more bans. Lets just unban everything.

>>96139676
They don’t know the fun of playing against top counter balance in formats dominated by 1 drops

>>96139459
>Unban Top
You mean make Beanstalk Control the only viable deck?

>>96139459
bowmasters is the necessary evil in the game with too little punishers
>banning draw hate and unbanning top so he can draw
lol. also just pay the 1, dummy

>>96137689
16's honestly suffering from the same shit people accused 13 of where it's just kind of shallow. Clive's a decent character, but everybody else is very nothing and combat is super damage spongey.

All UB slop is cringe and only pushes me closer to Premodern

>>96140596
I know the more expensive packs are really bad for you brazilian fellows but you are aware you can just buy singles right

>>96140596
Then i have bad news for you anon because for the rest of this year you will be going to New York and to Elemental Nations LMAO

>>96140620
Might as well play a more balanced format if you're gonna buy singles.

is eldrazi viable in pauper?

>>96140596
It’s saving me tons of money. Can’t imagine spending more than $30 on cards for the rest of the year with what’s in store.
>EOE ugly and a handful of cards I want
>spider man no interest
>avatar no interest

Wizards just has to print the Star Wars set to get that money out of me though.

>>96140726
reanimators decks don't want him because there's two better targets (troll of khazad-dum and lotleth giant)
tron decks don't want him because they're usually combo decks

you can throw it in either and make some extra adjustments for it to work but it's probably suboptimal.

>>96140662
mtg top8's categories are so bad it doesn't matter what it says

>>96140734
>OH BOY IS THAT REY SKYWALKER??!
>LOOK ITS THE X WING IN A WHOLE NEW DECO, I RECOGNIZE THE THING!
>BABY YODA BABY YODA BABY YODA!!!!! THIS IS DE WAY!!!!!!!!!
>LOL CLONE TROOPERS WITH THE RELENTLESS RATS EFFECT GOTTA COLLECT EM ALL!

>>96140596
>All UB slop is cringe and only pushes me closer to Pandemonium
ftfy

>>96140750
My darth Vader commander deck is gonna own!!!!
Jedi tribal!!!
Mandalorian voltran!!!

Sorry not sorry

if UB is so bad then why is FF the best set in the last 5 years

>>96140750
Accept it everyone will bite with the right poison. This UB shit is here to stay and they will use it to grab money from whatever IP you like.

You like Elden Ring? I'm sure they are trying to get the license
Silent Hill? Same
Dragon Ball? Oh boi those weeb sheckels
Stark Trek? Time to grab that nerd dollaridoos
And Etc.

>>96140777
Because squareenix won’t let wotc uglify their ip.

>>96140777
Because Cummander crew and casuals have 0 taste and will consoom anything. Specially a beloved saga like FF.

I am going to consume UB product while shitting on UW and there is nothing wotc can do but keep pandering

Kneel, BITCH.

>>96140780

I would absolutely buy a bunch of Star Trek boosters and a DS9 commander precon.

>>96140780
>Silent Hill
Where should i sign?

>>96137689
>16's actually good
I'm going to assume you haven't gotten very far. The story completely abandons what makes it interesting half way through and the combat is far too shallow to hold up the game for it's entire runtime. It just looks pretty and has high production value. Other than that, it's one of the worst FF's.

>>96140164
>Instant speed creature that deals 4 damage and summons a 4/4 that gets bigger every turn
>"No bro it's totally needed even though the format never had this issue for 25 years before LTR got printed"
You would have an easier time convincing me that Grief was a needed card to keep combo in check.

>>96140977
>I would absolutely buy a bunch of Star Trek boosters and a DS9 commander precon.

>>96140977
Spock is the bluest possible character, why would he be red?

>>96140847
Post your tournament results later. I want to watch white schizo seethe about this deck if it ends up getting top 1.

I'm still perplexed by it.

>>96135164
does this mean that burn is actually control

>>96141423
Yes. I've never felt more controlled than when I played elves against mono-red burn.

Maybe I'm late to the party but I just saw this and how it doesn't specify that your initial target has to be one of your creatures, so you can target an opponent's creature both times, even have it be the same creature and have it do a "stop hitting yourself"

that's so dumb and hilarious

>>96141524
That would be based.

>>96141524
I wonder if this is a deliberate pie-shift or if this is just a template error. We'll see when they do the release notes I guess.

>>96141524
Looks like they trace something from warhammer and put it onto a stolen doom concept art

>>96141563
It's got to be an error, but what can they do about it? the cards are all printed and shipped, people who open this in draft and sealed aren't going to know about any errata, it has to work as printed

>>96141595
They've done day 1 errata beforehand. And if it's not an error, best guess is it's an area they're exploring for green.

>>96141524
>green now has just straight creature removal, easily splashable in any deck
standard legal for 3 years btw

>>96141630
shrimply have toughness 2 points greater then your power

>>96141595
It's not an error. It's been spoiled already and they didn't even remark anything. Wheel of Potential was an error, this is just a "creature deals damage to itself" spell

>>96141630
doesn't work against everything
3 mana for removal is a lot
blue, red, white and black can remove most stuff for 2 instead

>>96141524
This is going in my pauper mono-green control deck. I hope they print more so green and white become the strongest control colors.

>>96141524
goes straight into my commander "fight/bite matters" deck!

Genuinely what sleeves have the best value for dollar? Every "content creator" is sponsored by one or more sleeve companies so I don't know what's actually good and what has a good marketing budget

For reference, I've been using some shitty chinese sleeves that are $3/100 and they're fine but over time they get harder to shuffle my decks, and I can really only use them in limited now

>>96141893
you actually can't beat double-matte dragon shields when it comes to quality

>>96138533
Luffy is one, DiscoverN, saidin.raken (Just good), Boquinha (Elves one trick), Mvanni, Barff.

Generally, for pauper, become retarded good at the one deck. Luffy is also built different and he double/triple Q's events with affinity in pauper.

>>96134646
I like how much seethe this post generated.

>>96141710
>this is just a "creature deals damage to itself" spell
if you look at the art and flavor text, obviously that's not the intended use. green is "my big things beat your less big things"

Stuff going berserker mad and hitting itself is a red effect. sometimes white in a "you take the pain you've inflicted" justice way, or black in a "pain in exchange for power" kind of way, but green? no, green has never had a "thing beats itself up" ability in ever.

>>96141838
>3 mana for removal is a lot
green can have 6 mana on turn 3

>>96141958
so your removal needs other cards to be good while the other colors can just kill your stuff without finding mana dorks

>pioneer dead
>modern dead
>legacy dead
>standard is arena only
>lgs don't even specify formats anymore
shit game
shit company

>>96142028
>so your removal needs other cards to be good
it just needs to be green

>>96141381
There are 2 sad realities about this printing:
1- The modern and legacy meta is so shit that this is almost unplayable there (and there are better options).
2- There is almost no more casual 60 card deck games so it isn't even "allowed" to see play there.
>>96141524
Power creep unless erated.
>>96141580
The Kavus in this set are 100% W40k Orc clones. WotC was shameless (it is pretty obvious to be "clones" from w40k) in making the Kavu that wa.
Also the human(wakanda) civilization is obviously based on the space marines and imperial shit but gayer.

>>96141943
If it's an error, it's either "you control" after the first target creature, or it's meant to be "another" target creature it bites.

>>96141381
it's just too shit. The effect is bad, it doesn't even have annihilator or flying so it just gets chumped for days after, madness 6 is especially at least 7 to cast it and you know what else you can do for 7? Well

going to MTG edge of eternity pre release next week. what are cards to look out for when it comes to the draft?

>>96142458
just remember your BREAD

draft in this order:

Bombs (cards that will win the game on their own if not answered)
Removal (answers for bombs)
Evasive (flying, menace, etc)
Aggressive (things that push damage through)
Duds (everything that's left)

>>96136068
>I'm still at 4 life, I've got lethal on board and all you've got is 1 unknown card in hand and 2 tapped mountains on board, I've got this game ON LOCK
i had this scenario at a legacy gp playing d&t vs. burn.
i had a kor firewalker, thalia, jitte with 1 counter, 4 untapped lands (3 plains, 1 factory) and a worship in hand.
i gave my thalia -1/-1, cast Worship and won the game (and match) a couple turns later.

>>96142442
But anon, she does have flying.

>>96141710
The bleak reality is that it probably IS an error, but they just don't give a shit. The designer has probably already forgotten the card existed, nobody properly proofread it, obviously nobody playtested it since they don't do that anymore, everyone who noticed the error probably just thought "I guess we're giving green this effect now" and said nothing about it. They're getting paid the same wages at the end of the month anyhow.

>barely any star wars, star trek or other low hanging sci-fi references in the EOE set.

I guess UB does have a silver lining in that they want to keep those "injokes" for real sets now

>>96143179
They very explicitly said this, in fact.

>>96142969
I meant to same trample, sorry...

How is pauper atm? Just got back into the game to play friendslop EDH with the boys, but I miss competitive 1v1 formats. Standard seems like a nightmare and I hate how modern horizons basically rotates the format.

>>96143289
pauper is fine, albeit most games are very grindy.
pauper is getting soft rotated by this next set though

>>96143179
>EoE will be used by an accounting bean counter as an example of how much money JOTC leaves on the table with In-universe stuff by (correctly) stating that the exact same set but Star Wars UB would have sold millions

>>96143289
pretty good. If you look at the results of the lastest pauperrgeddon, combo, aggro and control are all basically just as viable and almost equally represented. Edge of Eterrnities is looking like it'll add a couple cards to the meta, boosting affinity a bit (it's a bit UP right now anyways) and glintblade with a thoughtseize-like that can't be used t1

>>96143305
>pauper is getting soft rotated by this next set though
it's just gonna be a small affinity boost, the other cards are ass
>muh green murder

>Best creature for filling out a delirium deck probably ever
>Basically mandatory for any graveyard deck in standard that runs black
>Over $25 per card because it sees play in every format it's legal in
>Zur decks are still running it and still hitting top 8s
Should I wait until Zur rotates out, or is it just gonna get worse at rotation?

>>96143376
It's played in many formats (including EDH) - I don't see the price dropping

>>96143376
>standard
if you play standard why does this matter? what stores even run standard events anymore? if you play mtga it's just 4 wildcards

>>96143506
My lgs does a lot of high profile events, so they still have the numbers to fill out events for any format. I'm never getting into Arena, the only appealing thing about Magic left for me is the concept of playing with real cardboard components and interacting with other human beings IRL. Might as well play any other video game if I have to play Magic online.

>>96143345
>4 card infinite combo all in one color and in the same set
Is it hot in here or is it just FIRE?

>>96143345
>Infinite T4 combo
>All in the same color
>with redundancy in splash colors
>In a format where green has the only good removal

Oh yeah, it's FIRE time.

>>96141943
It is just a color pie break not an error. Mark has been getting less control of the color pie and the council has made changes for limited. Mark has said the red making a creature deal damage to itself is a bend and blue shuffling creatures into the deck is a break but R&D needs removal for limited.

>>96143345
>Let's make Evoke, but without safety valves
Genius!

>>96143812
>but R&D needs removal for limited.
Newsflash: No they don't.

>>96143824
Green & blue have been a weak color pair due to not having strong enough removal. Due to the new play booster all cards need stronger removal to deal with bombs. Monstrous Emergence for DSK was not strong enough despite not requiring a creature on the battlefield so Diplomatic Relations needs to be a card strong enough for limited but weak enough for constructed.

>>96143859
>Green & blue have been a weak color pair due to not having strong enough removal.
Wrong.
Other colors have been the strong colors due to disproportionately benefiting from power creep in their threats.

The answer to a power creep arms race is not to power creep every aspect of the game that hasn't been ruined, it's to reign in the damage you've already done.

>>96143345
It would be pretty funny if Perigee Beckoner has to get banned because WotC didn't think they needed to put a creature type restriction on their undying warp card, unlike All-Fates Stalker.

>>96143812
>Blue card is basically a black/white pin card
>Black card is basically a green ramp card that requires death
>Red card is basically a black/green removal card
>Green card is basically a cheap red fight card
What the fuck are they doing over there?

>>96143875
>Wrong.
>Other colors have been the strong colors due to disproportionately benefiting from power creep in their threats.
That means basically the same thing as "not having strong enough removal."

>>96143896
>That means basically the same thing as "not having strong enough removal."
Ponder, for a moment, if you can, that the important part is where they differ.

The demarvelized spiderman set for arena will reveal a lot about the current artistic abilities available to WOTC today.

>eoe was supposed to have oversized cards you could summon and they had a counter you could move along a track to do shit
How the fuck does Fleischer still have a job?

someone explain this to me. I thought you could cast instants as a response to activated abilities. This fucker used picrel's ability, and I lightning bolted it in response. But the buff still went thru to his other creatures. the fuck?

>>96144007
Did you just migrate from Heartstone or something?
In Magic an ability resolves even when the source is no longer present. Otherwise abilities that have sacrifice as part of the cost couldn't work.

>Boros Convoke dies in a week
Welp it was fun while it lasted. This deck carried me hard through Mice meta and post bans Im going to miss it

>>96144024
yeah I'm obviously new you stupid fucking dipshit, that's why I was asking about the mechanics of the game. and no, I never played hearthstone in my life. dunno why you fags are so obsessed with that game

>>96143994
It was basically spacecrafts but each charge counter did something.

>>96144007
>Magic: The Gathering Rule 113.7a states: "Once activated or triggered, an ability exists on the stack independently of its source. Destruction or removal of the source after that time won't affect the ability."

>>96144092
I really hate the dungeon style of getting a card from outside the game to play a minigame on it. "the Ring Tempts You" has a front and a back side full of text to explain what it does.

>>96144007
Always fun to see "MST negates" across games.

>>96144192
I played with a ring tempts card in legacy for a while, it was verbose but the gameplay was fun.
I had a small ring I kept in my dice box to put on the creatures as well.

>>96143959
>The demarvelized spiderman set for arena will reveal a lot about the current artistic abilities available to WOTC today.
Seeing how shit and underwhelming UB designs are is going to do a lot of damage.

Honestly I think it could have been coool to see Groups from Kaladesh (I am not using the new name it is dumb) that work with two steps of their Aether Cycle.
Allied Pairs
>Build/Innovate
>Innovate/Reclaim
>Reclaim/Liberate
>Liberate/Inspire
>Inspire/Build
Enemy Pairs
>Innovate/Liberate
>Liberate/Build
>Build/Reclaim
>Reclaim/Inspire
>Inspire/Innovate
Yeah these are basically Pajeet Guilds, but what do you want from me?

>>96144309
ok patel

I am still in absolute awe that any sapient being in the fucking universe would consider this an acceptable thing to print.

>>96144325
Don't worry, emblem removal/ interaction is just about the last unbroken taboo under the FIRE regiment, it's bound to happen sooner or later

>>96144325
>Hey bros let's put a + emblem on a walker with Hexproof!
:^) WotC amirite?!

what are the easiest MTGO leagues to win consistently?

>>96144233
It's good that you enjoyed it. But for me it's emblematic of more shit to keep track of outside of the board like dungeons or the initiative that also comes with a seperate dungeon. It's like if Planechase was Standard legal.

>>96144428
I agree. However, I realized at some point that magic will never go back to what it used to be, and I should just learn to adapt to the new instead of being bitter about the old.
It has also meant I play less than what I used to, but I've come to peace with that.

>>96144092
Okay but why did it have to be oversized? I don't think Standard players would be happy with having to get a separate deckbox and special sleeves to keep them in.

>>96144325
name 1 good ninja card in mtg

>>96144460
Ninja of the Deep Hours in Pauper, Yuriko for a brief time in Legacy, Kaito 3 in Vintage cube.

>>96144441
>and I should just learn to adapt to the new instead of being bitter about the old
Yeah, nah.

Delirium bwos what will you replace Sneed of Hope with? Cache Grab is 2cc and congests the 2 drop slot already I feel

>>96144460
Kaito BoN, makes Dimir Midrange a thing thobeit. Otherwise they would've just went UW Bunnicorn

>>96144233
it was a great Limited mechanic.
not as complex as dungeons or as busted as initiative/monarch.
they tried to revisit it with speed with pretty weak results. still, LotR was such a great draft set that I'm looking forward to their next attempt.

>>96144521
I found it really interesting with Karakas, which sadly is only legal in one format.
You haven't lived until you've bounced your own palace jailer with karakas.

>>96144528
>bounced your own palace jailer with karakas
I didn't know he was Legendary.

>>96144540
My whole point is that is what tempted by the ring does. I don't know how making a creature legendary could have much a gameplay effect otherwise, since you can't make multiple creatures the ring bearer anyways.

>>96144545
That sounds like some nice Vintage Cube gameplay.
That's the of place these types of mini game mechanics shine, despite Constructed players' (mostly justified) dislike for them.

>>96144548
I honestly can't think of a card with the ring tempts you that would be strong enough for Vintage Cube.

>>96144552
samwise the stouthearted is a very playable mono-white card for cube.
It's better for legacy cube, but it's on the fringe even for vintage cube (it's better than a few of the mono-w options in the cube right now).

>>96144555
I had to look him up, but yeah he seems very fringe.

>>96141180
literally yes, now after lotr it IS necessary

>>96140726
I find eldrazi (and stompy decks) kinda bad in pauper because there's a lot of good removal to take them out. So you've spent a lot of time and resources getting one big dude out that just gets killed by a 2 mana spell or something like that.
I really want to make it work and have a tron deck that mimics the modern style tron, but I find that it's just not good enough.

>"Bro just crack the infinite combo"
>"Bro just win the coinflip and crack the combo, it's easy."
EOE draft finna be LIT.

>>96144618
Didn't Writhing Chrysalis rape the format?

>>96144641
>Didn't Writhing Chrysalis rape the format?
Everything did. Pauper is the format that gets raped the most.

>>96144581
he's best friends with Karakas

>>96144634
What's the draftable infinite combo?

>>96144666
Buddy scroll up.

>>96144581
I ran him in this WB taxes-esque list. However, after overlord of the balemurk I'm pretty sure that kind of taxes is strictly superior.
I haven't updated because I don't stay up-to-date with decks anymore - it's just too much of a treadmill, and legacy barely fires at my LGS nowadays

How would you compare the power of Wishes vs the power of Tutors?

>>96137811
>i cast instant spell "RKO"
>removal with split second if target creature is blocking or attacking

>>96144735
>Because Stone Cold Said So!
>Can of Whoop-Ass
>It Doesn't Matter What Your Name Is!
>Kurt Angle's Milk Truck
yeah I'm gonna go with a KINO on that one

>>96144670
ah two pedigrees and a sac outlet
I'm gonna be drafting the fuck out of that

>>96144812
We've had a few turn 7+ infinite combos at mythic in limited recently, but for an infinite combo to be fucking turn 4 and all in the common/uncommon slot is NUTS.

>>96144819
hopefully the playerbase isn't wise to it and they pass the pieces around 6th pick

>>96144868
Since it's so easy to assemble, and has SO Much redundancy across the rare slot, I would expect this to become a a Bloomburrow situation, where the top archetype is so good that everyone chases it and the entire format is ruined by it.

More Dinofact testing.
This shit is hilarious and extremely threatening. Chainsaw works very well with all our artifact synergy.

>>96144940
what's your affinity decklist looking like?

>>96144942
It's still extremely terrible, many pieces still need testing and it almost certainly needs more interaction. But as far as initial test brews go, the midgame of dino and treasure slinging, Cryptic Coat spam and Chainsaws for 12/2 unblockable face-smashing action feels like more than a potent enough backbone.

>>96144948
Is this pioneer? I'm surprised neither spyglass siren nor epicure are in the list
I've played a lot of ensoul in pioneer, and there's some overlap there.

>>96144962
>Is this pioneer? I'm surprised neither spyglass siren nor epicure are in the list
You need to CAST the artifacts to get the important triggers, so they didn't make the cut. And yeah I've been thinking about Ensoul as an include somewhere, but it's more fragile/explosive and not quite in line with the grindy value town plan this list is going for.

>>96144948
idk what upside that has over UW Simulacrum
If you went WR you could get some good stuff like Portable Hole and United Battlefront

Also, some additional discoveries.
This card is cracked as FUCK with artifact creatures. I'm shocked I've not seen it played before, god damn.

>>96144948
the day I put this niggershit in my deck you can take me out to the back of the shed and shoot me

>>96134446
>Doc Ock doesn't cost 8 mana
how do you fuck that up, seriously

>>96144983
>If you went WR you could get some good stuff like Portable Hole and United Battlefront
You lose Cryptic Coat. Not an option.

>>96144965
fair enough, although I have concerns about the deck plan as a whole
I agree that ensoul doesn't really mesh with the deck. I do wonder if going more down a synthesizer angle is better if you want to go down this line.
>>96144987
I played sai in legacy before (a long time ago though, this deck would be completely unplayable now).

>>96144987
There's an anime version, for what it's worth.

I tried out this meme Pioneer format you guys play
opponent went first with turn 1 llanowar elves + leyline, turn 2 nykthos, storm the festival into kiora + creature, until nykthos, then pretty much dumped their entire deck on the table

>>96145123
>playing Nykthos ramp
>in the year of our lord 2015 + N
kek, what an old fogey
The decks are way faster and more oppressive in the format, than that nowadays.

>>96144987
lol look how easily these tourists get triggered

>>96145123
mono-green is a deck that exists, it's definitely one of the most straightforward "put your cards on the table" deck.
It's pretty weak to just spot removal on the elf though, and the ones with leyline are much less consistent.

>>96140096
>>96139676

Yeah I played during the countertop era. I just find the deck really cool (I never actually played it, I loved brewing decks that beat it and got me easy trophies and tops 8s on MTGO). It would be stupid to unban it yeah, but fuck the format is stupid rn.

>>96140164

The very existence of bowmasters prevents DnT, Elves, and some other weenie aggros decks from existing competitively at all. That enough reason to ban it, but it's stronger than that. The best answer to bowmasters is another bowmasters, it creates another body so cleanly removing it is very rare, at instant speed.

Spirit of the Labyrinth was the necessary evil. OBM funnily enough just kills that.

>>96144985
Lost Caverns of Ixalan in general doesn’t seem to see much play for some reason. The only cards I’ve seen in meta decks are Inti, Tidebinder and creatures that make map tokens. Maybe EoE’s heavy focus on artifacts will change that.

it's unbelievable how mismanaged pioneer was

>>96145179
Aren't the bats played?

>>96144928
I think you're overestimating how easy it to assemble the combo consistently with limited tier card draw options. 4 specific cards (and hoping the sacrifice enabler doesn't get removed) is pretty optimistic. At best you'll get someone with it like once in every like 5+ games

>>96145206
nah it's pretty believable, it's exactly how I would expect wotc to manage a format made for people who didn't want to bother with standard and modern rotations

>>96145212
>I think you're overestimating how easy it to assemble the combo consistently with limited tier card draw options
40 card decks, anon.

>>96145220
it's a 4 card combo that needs two copies of the same card too
also it makes you put bad cards into your deck. Can't see that actually helping your WR

>>96145220
And only 1-2 copies of each combo piece unless you get super lucky compared to the 4 you can run in 60 card

>>96145239
>And only 1-2 copies of each combo piece unless you get super lucky compared to the 4 you can run in 60 card
It's not unheard of to get 5 copies of any given common in a draft. And it's not like the pieces of the combo are bad on their own, you're not making your deck worse by including any of them.

>>96145236
>also it makes you put bad cards into your deck
>bad cards
Jibbirik Omnivore was the best green common in DFT.

>One of the combo pieces is a generically good body that filters aggressively.
>The second part of the combo has four different redundant pieces within the set.
>The third part is a common.
Total inconsistency.

>>96145176
It used to stay on the banlist for being more annoying than anything else but Top now is unbannable for powerlevel reasons completely unrelated to counterbalance and Control.
Have you seen how it interacts with Glaring Fleshraker?

This is what it's probably going to look like. Since this option is open, Umbral Collar Zealot will probably be a top first pick in the format. It's just a good body as a baseline so you sacrifice nothing by picking it up early.

You're probably digging for it if you crack a Vondam or Haliya too. If you get the first few key pieces, you're going to grab the rest as they appear.

Zealots will be a highly contested, possibly the most contested, card in the format.

Mono-white Assassin.
Assassin that doesn't kill things. He just kind of grapples them a little.

Timeline Culler also fits into the combo as extra not-quite-combo redundancy.

>>96145307
he captures them in his magic imprisonment rod

>>96145285
Is the mono black legend really the only white guy in the set?

>>96135842
The push for "full smut" wouldn't be so strong if even slight sexuality wasn't severely condemned for the past decade.

>>96145315
>Assassin
Ah yes, assassination. To assassinate.
>he captures them in his magic imprisonment rod
The act of assassinating.

>>96145318
No. Sami (they/them) is also white.

Black is so good and has such a deep card pool in EoE that two players in a pod can draft mono-black and both end up with T1 decks.

>>96145331
That guy is as asian as they come anon.

>>96145340
Damn.
Nevermind. Just one then.

>>96145331
why is it always white folx that troon out

>>96145307
why did this card need to specify "non-assassin", is it purely flavor or does something break if it can target itself, or copies of itself or something

I miss my mouse

>>96145381
he didn't need to go, mono red kept the meta in check

>>96145362
Infinite ETBs if it can target itself. Remember Hostage taker?

>>96145381
>"ALLAHU RATBAR" - says the Heartfire Hero as he ascends to heaven with his 72 rat wives

>>96145381
go play pioneer then, there's no way this is getting unbanned in standard

>>96145392
Why not use "other creature" then?

>>96145447
Stops you infinitely bouncing other copies of it too.

>>96145447
They do random flavor things like this all the time. It is functionally the same as "other creature" in preventing infinite, but it gives random interaction in mirror match or when opponents play specific decks. The flavor doesn't always work, but if it doesn't it's just part of the silly card game business. Nothing nearly as silly as Mutate for instance.

>>96145447
Same thing just with a second copy.

>>96145176
>bowmasters prevents weenie aggros
good. about time plague engineer was playable

This card is a lot better than people are considering.
It allows you to translate direct damage to creatures into damage to face. This is a psychotic combo with things like Sheoldred and can IMMEDIATELY murder people with the right setup

It doubling as an abstract kind of Phyrexian Arena means it's not as dead as it would be otherwise, too. I think it has a lot of potential for horribly vile play patterns, though I'm not sure if those patterns will pan out into something top tier.

>>96145627
Activate only as a sorcery.

>>96145643
Not relevant when you are the one choosing when the damage happens.

>>96145627
>This is a psychotic combo with things like Sheoldred
sheoldred is rotating when eoe drops and I doubt it we have to worry about this card in older formats

I mean,
seriously
just peep this shit

>TCC likes the set
Is it because he's still butthurt that his Star Wars video is his least watched video in a decade?

>>96145846
No it's because he's a milquetoast consumer whore.

>>96145846
Literally every video he has made that has a script is written by someone else, and that is someone who thinks it's a good idea to cut off his penis and pretend to be a woman. Rational thought doesn't apply.

>>96145846
who's TCC?

Local shop is doing a legacy tournament, never played what’s a good low-format knowledge aggro deck to run? Just to get some reps and learn the local meta. Been looking at rakdos midrange/aggro with deaths shadow

Captcha: 4xmtj

>>96144987
I'm confused, are you racist or are you actually upset by the card?

>>96145950
the fucking RW energy that's all mh3 cards anyway

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA I'VE GONE MAD WITH POWWEEEEEEEERRRR

Fevered Visions always was the worst piece of the puzzle anyway

>>96145993
RW energy + wasteland and swords to plowshares is a legit legacy deck for locals

>>96145997
explain

>>96146047
10 mana 3 card combo to draw a few cards then die

>>96146047
>Target thing with Monolith
>Target same thing with March of Wretched Sorrow X=your entire hand
>Have Sheoldred out
>They die

Pioneer Owling Mine but we've finally ascended to running no Owl clones and also no Mine clones now.

>>96146051
>to draw a few cards then die
They are drawing the cards, anon.
You make them draw the cards, then dome them in the face with High Noon to finish the job.

You cannot convince me 1v1 isn't the worst way to play this game. Despite what Magic's original game design was, playing 3+ players heavily mitigates the effects of tryhards from playing gimmicky, faggoty ass control and burn decks. There is honestly nothing more pathetic than someone vomiting their hand with burn cards to every creature played and ends up top decking with no actual win con beyond being an annoying faggot.

>>96146076
But goyim-anon, Nosewater assured me that red only has “””””””””””IMPULSE”””””””””””””””” draw which totally doesn’t perfectly fit with red’s tempo and spell timing

>>96146076
Hey buddy, I think you got the wrong door, the leather club's two blocks down: >>96137758

>>96146113
commander chads run this game. It's only right we take over the main general too

>>96146113
Nowhere does it state you can't play 3+ player in non-edh formats.

>>96146098
>But goyim-anon, Nosewater assured me that red only has “””””””””””IMPULSE”””””””””””””””” draw which totally doesn’t perfectly fit with red’s tempo and spell timing
It's super-impulse now, keeping the cards until the end of NEXT turn, completely negating all potential downsides of the mechanic.

>>96146056
>>96145997
Cool combo. Goes straight into my Mardu Prison deck!

>>96146126
>Cool combo. Goes straight into my Mardu Prison deck!
Post list, king.

>>96146121
The fact that you still consider this the main general speaks enough about what you really think about your format

>>96146128
here you go, queen
https://archidekt.com/decks/14155648

>>96145993
>>96146036
I’ll look into it thanks bros. Is that a no to deaths shadow for the fun of running gut shot snuff out and dismember main board ? :(

>>96146145
if you have death's shadow it's good for paper legacy because it's so budget
should be favourable vs combo decks but it's just worse than other UB tempo shells

>>96146155
That’s what I’m seeing it’s just counterspells scare me when I don’t know what to counter lmao

>they actually did day 0 errata for Diplomatic Relations

Sad.

>>96146276
What a bunch of bastards they really hate fun.

>>96145846
>Wotc little bitch shill likes the newest set
Who would've thought?

>>96146276
Lmao, nice QA you got there Wizards

>>96146076
The game is built around 1v1.
Once you add players it just become a boardgame, and if you compare it with actual boardgames it's on the shittier end

>>96146311
The game had multiplayer phrasing since Alpha.

>>96146276
>Nobody caught it until it was too late.
truly reflects the quality we should expect from JOTC

>>96146276
source?

>>96146076
You are simply bad at the game

>>96146358
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/a-statement-on-the-rules-text-of-diplomatic-relations

>>96146311
Wrong. There are cards printed wayyyyy early on with "target opponent" mechanics. The usage of the word "target" would be redundant if it were meant to be a 1-on-1 game.

>>96146369
HAHJAHAHAHAHASFHAHSHDAHAHHAHA

>>96146369
Fucking stupid idiots.

>>96146369
When was the last time day zero errata actually happened? I feel like there's been instances here and there over the last couple of years but I do NOT recall.

If I weren't already skipping this prerelease because the set looks like shit, knowing I'd have to have several "it doesn't work that way" interactions and argue with retards about how the card Literally Doesn't Do What It Says On The Card probably would have tipped the scales

>>96146601
>If I weren't already skipping this prerelease because the set looks like shit, knowing I'd have to have several "it doesn't work that way" interactions and argue with retards about how the card Literally Doesn't Do What It Says On The Card probably would have tipped the scales
For me? It was the 2/2 that they printed as a 2/3 on the card.

>>96146627
>2/2 that was printed as a 2/3
The fuck, when did that happen?

>>96145394
I don't understand why they felt the need to separate Rats and Mice into two creature types instead of just making them all Rats

>>96146640
They literally just said "lol actually it's a 2/2 sorry 2/3 is TOO POWAHFUL!!!" and everyone had to pretend it was a 2/2.

>>96146654
HUMANS ARE NOT APES
VIASHINO ARE NOT LIZARDS

>>96146656
lmao how tf does shit like this happen? does wotc even have any quality control?

>>96146675
>does wotc even have any quality control?
Anon they don't even test the cards before they ship them. The fuck are you talking about, quality control lmfao it's fucking Wizards lol they don't give a fuck.

>>96146369
Fuck it I'm going to pre release and use it as green murder until I get called out for it
>>96146540
Hostage taker?

>>96146540
>When was the last time day zero errata actually happened?
Not long at all, actually.
Pit Automaton in DFT. They forgot to say it can't copy mana abilities.

>>96146671
Those have enough differences to make them into different creatures though. The only fucking difference between rats and mice is their size, they are the same fucking animal otherwise.

>>96146704
>The only fucking difference between rats and mice is their size, they are the same fucking animal otherwise
lol, size is the most obvious difference but there are way more than that

>>96146685
This shit reminds me of how Skullclamp initially gave the creature +1/+1, but they thought that was too powerful so they changed it to +1/-1. You know, in the equipment where you want the equiped creature to die because it has a death trigger that draws two cards.

>>96146654
IIRC Mark said some bullshit about rats not being 'appropriate' for white so they made mouse their own tribe

>>96146734
>but there are way more than that
Such as?

>>96146751
>IIRC Mark said some bullshit about rats not being 'appropriate' for white so they made mouse their own tribe

>rats not appropriate for white....
>ASSASSINS THOUGH!

>>96146752
tail and color are the other big ones

Anyone here familiar enough with Bloomburrow? I was wondering if it's do-able to make a halfway decent 5 color deck. Seems difficult since the set revolves heavily around the 10 tribal types.

>>96146369
>>96146540
>>96146688
Why do they do instant errata like these, but shit like "draw as many cards as you fucking want, lol" Wheel of Potential had to wait more than a month after its release to get a fix?

>>96146769
>Why do they do instant errata like these, but shit like "draw as many cards as you fucking want, lol" Wheel of Potential had to wait more than a month after its release to get a fix?
It's Wizards.

>>96146762
Why do squirrels get a pass for not being universally hated on the way mice and rats are?

>>96146757
white is not inherently "good". if killing someone helps the collective, it's white.

>>96146783
Because squirrels steal from trees and shit in the river, while mice steal from my pantry and shit in my cupboards.

>>96146789
WRONG.
White doesn't use assassins, to kill it uses knights and soldiers. Honor is one of the color's core principles.

>>96146783
squirrels typically don't invade people's homes. any trouble they cause is usually confined to, or adjacent to, their natural habitat: outside trees.

>>96146783
what anon said, people don't usually get squirrels invading their homes and eating their food
nobody's buying squirrel traps to get rid of the buggers

>>96146783
Some people keep rats and mice as pets, rarely squirrels though.

>>96146792
>>96146805
>>96146810
Squirrels can still cause property damage, especially if you have a yard.

>>96146762
Yeah that's a fucking stretch. It's like making Lizards and Iguanas two different creatures types instead lumping them all as Lizards, which is what they do, so I don't understand the deal with Rats/Mice.

>>96146751
The only reason I can come up with is that rats are historically and culturally a very maligned animal and WotC were influenced by that bias in their thinking that they don't feel white. Which is once again an example of them failing for the white/good, black/evil connotation they they swear they try to avoid.

>>96146819
>Some people keep rats and mice as pets, rarely squirrels though.
The squirrel independence wars of 1812 made sure of that.

>>96146803
>Feelins'? Look mate, you know who has a lot of feelings? Blokes that bludgeon their wife to death with a golf trophy. Professionals have standards. Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

>>96146821
>especially if you have a yard.
you mean... yard that's their natural habitat?
do you read things before you respond to them?

>>96146769
Because Wheel was a lot more ambiguous, I think. This is a clear cut "parts of the rules text that should be there are not". Wheel's a "oh, wait, the rules don't work right for this one".

>>96146848
That's not the point. At one point they KNEW the card was broken, but still waited to fix it.

make a new thread you FUCKS

>>96146867
NO.
LET IT DIE.

>>96146867
Why?
And also, just make one yourself if you want it so badly. Nothing's stopping you. There's no higher class of 4chan users that can only make new threads. You have the exact same capability as anyone else to do so.

>>96146847
You should give up your home because it's on native indigenous land.

>>96146824
wtf are you talking about?
iguanas are a type of lizard
rats are not a type of mouse, or vice versa

>>96146867
gimme 20 minutes

>>96146893


>>96146893
>>96146893

>>96146859
They clearly caught Relations before shipping, but after printing, whereas Wheel was only caught after it was revealed.

>>96146767
Assuming you're talking about limited, no. Mana fixing is pretty weak in the set and it lacks a dual land cycle like other sets. Even playing 3 colours is quite tricky and with how aggressive the format is you really can't afford to spend a bunch of turns sorting your mana out

>>96146911
???
Anon, Wheel was printed with its incorrect text.

>>96146969
Yes. But they didn't catch that there was an issue with Wheel until it was already revealed, whereas they clearly did catch the issue with Relations at some point prior to shipping. Cards are printed BEFORE reveals, you realise.

>no Lay Down Arms replacement
>what if Temp Lockdown died to Abrade
>what if Sunfall was bad
White schizo vindicated?

>>96146369
ai genned card moment

>>96147226
that irrelevant to this discussion

>>96145211
Ah yes, forgot about the bats. Those powercrept Brain Maggots.

>>96146821
This is why I always aim for them when they run across the road.

>>96146819
P'Nut, my beloved...