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Anonymous No.96185361 [Report] >>96185426 >>96185456 >>96185512 >>96185676 >>96186462 >>96187157 >>96188156 >>96188264 >>96188383 >>96188423 >>96188657 >>96188699 >>96188842 >>96188907 >>96188920 >>96189995 >>96194732 >>96195153 >>96195414 >>96195569 >>96196674 >>96199473 >>96203388 >>96204807
>his wizards are aliens that just showed up one day
Anonymous No.96185364 [Report] >>96185430 >>96187162 >>96188322 >>96231519
Hell yeah.
Anonymous No.96185426 [Report]
>>96185361 (OP)
Why not?
Wizards and aliens are both fantasy concepts.
Anonymous No.96185429 [Report]
It's fun until they're literal gods.
Anonymous No.96185430 [Report] >>96188971 >>96189041 >>96191739
>>96185364
>literally who
>lolhippy
>failed DC 5 Sense Motive, changed alignment and allegiance as a result
>actually competent (Maiar aligned with the Vala of dreams/wisdom actually somewhat wise? Who could've seen that coming?)
>literally who
I get that they're not supposed to be thought of in like that, but it really doesn't feel like the Valar did that good a job when picking the Istari.
Anonymous No.96185456 [Report] >>96186488 >>96187270 >>96187280 >>96187790 >>96188320 >>96196660
>>96185361 (OP)
>the dragons are aliens that just showed up ages ago
Anonymous No.96185512 [Report] >>96187163
>>96185361 (OP)
>then magically impregnated 10,000 women and left
Anonymous No.96185676 [Report]
>>96185361 (OP)
>OP is a faggot that just showed up one day
Anonymous No.96186462 [Report] >>96188153 >>96188157 >>96188182 >>96188208 >>96189807
>>96185361 (OP)
>his wizards are aliens that just showed up one day
Naruto did it first and better. I will DIE on this hill.
Anonymous No.96186488 [Report]
>>96185456
Origin story I have for my dragons is that their self destructive nature is a built in variable so whenever the last dragon dies an immortal lizard will manifest and seek out suitable beings to become new dragons by tempting them to eat their flesh.

TLDR: Dragons are people.
Anonymous No.96187157 [Report] >>96187201 >>96187316 >>96189967 >>96194738
>>96185361 (OP)
>The setting has actual aliens that just showed up one day.
Anonymous No.96187162 [Report] >>96187242 >>96187756 >>96190302 >>96191453 >>96191776 >>96196794 >>96197642 >>96198621 >>96205047 >>96210838 >>96225876
>>96185364
>Hell yeah.
The Maiar weren't aliens, they're angels.
Anonymous No.96187163 [Report]
>>96185512
>magically
Anonymous No.96187201 [Report] >>96187316 >>96189967
>>96187157
Don't forget space elves.
Anonymous No.96187214 [Report] >>96187249 >>96195060 >>96198606
Isn't there an old DnD setting where theres magic artifacts but its just crap from an alien shipwreck?
Anonymous No.96187242 [Report]
>>96187162
I thought that they were angels...but to my surprise -
They climbed aboard their star ship, and headed for the skies.
Anonymous No.96187249 [Report] >>96187291
>>96187214
Yes.
Anonymous No.96187270 [Report] >>96188320
>>96185456
Anonymous No.96187280 [Report]
>>96185456
Fuck the Dragon Overlords. Some of the stupidest crap that ever came out of Dragonlance.
Anonymous No.96187291 [Report] >>96187456
>>96187249
I've always like that trope, it's fun to just pick any kind of historical time period or general setting and just crash some crazy space stuff/tech and boom.It's an easy way to explain anachronisms or weird tech/eldrich horrors.
Anonymous No.96187316 [Report] >>96187349 >>96187359 >>96189967 >>96194738
>>96187157
>>96187201

Technically, it was more like:
>Aliens showed up one day and taught people how to be Wizards.

Unironically one of my favorite things about Elden Ring is the sheer amount of traffic the setting gets from aliens despite being presented as 'another' souls fantasy setting with divine drama and that it isn't a one-off note, but something that's become deeply entrenched in almost every aspect of the setting.
Anonymous No.96187349 [Report] >>96187633 >>96187764 >>96187772
>>96187316
I agree. I always find it weird how creatively constrainted people are when it comes to the idea of "aliens" in a fantasy setting and that all aliens have to be aye lamos grey aliens as if there isn't real life and history to draw upon (Vimana of Indian mythology just being one of many examples).

Besides, if magic is a thing why wouldn't the aliens know how to do magic as well?
Anonymous No.96187359 [Report]
>>96187316
7th sea did the same.
Anonymous No.96187456 [Report] >>96187479
>>96187291
>it's fun to just pick any kind of historical time period or general setting and just crash some crazy space stuff/tech and boom
Not for a game, but about fifteen years back I wrote a story over on alternatehistory.com that was premised on some alien bounty hunters crashing into Earth in Italy in 1935, while the guys they were after crashed into Germany. Because of the specific events, plus the fact that Italo-German relations were actually terrible at the time, I basically killed any chance of a Stahlpact and instead left Italy and Germany locked in a cold war with each other with each other for the foreseeable future.

(Germany had the better industry, but Italy got more cooperative aliens in the more powerful ship and was more willing to go in for diplomacy with other nations)

The main hook was that almost the entire story was told from the perspective of the four alien bounty hunters (pic) who really did not give two shits about Terran politics, they just wanted to repair their ship, grab their bounty, and go home.

I'm actually still really proud of it, personally. It was the first novel-length, wholly original story (not fanfic or set in an extant universe) story I'd ever written to completion.

Plus I killed Hitler. I mean, ya gotta, right? If the opportunity comes up.
Anonymous No.96187479 [Report] >>96189865
>>96187456
Just a final note, I actually started writing it in response to a Star Trek story that was being posted at the time, where for reasons then-modern Earth ends up in the Star Trek universe, replacing the Earth of First Contact as the Vulcans arrive, and Earth goes on to be a superpower within like 5 years with hundreds of starships n' such, and overall it just really bothered me how fast the author was making Earth advance in the story (among other issues I took with the whole premise). I took a direct dig at it in my story

>“Okay, so bring everything,” the kyn responded. “We’re going to need to kick-start their industry.”

>“Kick-start? Qadir, we’re going to need to build them an industry from the ground up. Casting a warp shell? I can be done with that in a few weeks, that’s easy. But fusion? This isn’t the case of not having the right tools, it’s a case of the right tools not existing. I’ll need to show them how to build the tools, to build the tools, to build the tools, to build the tools I’ll need. And I’m not sure I can. I never expected to have to build a fusion society from the ground up.”
Anonymous No.96187633 [Report] >>96231561
>>96187349
I think its a matter of not wanting space ships and the associated tech to be a thinge
ER has all its aliens crash onto the planet either thanks to the will of the Singularity Lawtist Supergod or they just happened to crash-landed on the planet, and either way start doing magic that affects the world rather than building spaceports and the like.
Anonymous No.96187756 [Report] >>96196763
>>96187162
They literally predate the creation of the planet, you dumb fuck. They are by definition pre-terrestrial. Extraterrestrial. Even God is more alien than not. He isn’t capable of fitting inside his toy creation.
Anonymous No.96187764 [Report]
>>96187349
What’s truly ironic is that magic is alien. Essentially. It’s all exposure logic. There is nothing more arcane or occult than the deep black abyss that is space. Nothing more unknowable or bewildering.
Anonymous No.96187772 [Report]
>>96187349
>Besides, if magic is a thing why wouldn't the aliens know how to do magic as well?
It may not even be magic to them. They might be too transcendent for it. Their bar for magic could be completely different. A totally different thing.
Anonymous No.96187790 [Report] >>96188320 >>96196660
>>96185456
>the dragons are the natives of the planet and just returned home ages ago from space exploration
Anonymous No.96188124 [Report] >>96188137 >>96188191 >>96189756
I constantly think about Zelda lore, the creation myth, and how the English version changing the "goddesses came down from the heavens" to "a distant nebula" gives it such a new air of mystery to me
I don't think it's out of place in fantasy settings, and aliens can absolutely fit
Anonymous No.96188137 [Report] >>96188148
>>96188124
A lot of ancient cultures make mention of strange sagely beings that mysteriously arrive, then depart, after imparting knowledge. The far off inhuman sage with all the answers, living in some cave or tower, is similar to the dragon, another far off creature living in a cave or castle, etc.
Anonymous No.96188148 [Report] >>96188173 >>96196763
>>96188137
>The far off inhuman sage with all the answers, living in some cave or tower, is similar to the dragon, another far off creature living in a cave or castle, etc.
This is why I love Dragonslayer(1981) so much. The aging wizard Ulrich, even in his final confrontation with the aging dragon Vermithrax, sympathizes as well as identifies with the old creature. Both are isolated magical beings and the last of their respective kind.
Anonymous No.96188153 [Report]
>>96186462
>Nardo
>doing anything better than anything
lmao
The gayest capeshit ever to go big
Anonymous No.96188156 [Report]
>>96185361 (OP)
Matterfren, why have you become obsessed with aliens recently? Has your previous shitty bait gotten as moldy and gross as the men you fantasize about?
Anonymous No.96188157 [Report] >>96188182
>>96186462
Naruto is an extremely young fiction anon. It didn’t do anything first. In fact it explicitly copied Harry Potter.
Anonymous No.96188173 [Report]
>>96188148
Good movie. The wizard and the dragon were both seniors of a dying age.
Anonymous No.96188182 [Report] >>96188198
>>96186462
Maybe, though the alien stuff is taken from the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter, same where Touhou gets is moon bitches from
>>96188157
Did wizards learn from space in HP? I only read the first three books
Anonymous No.96188191 [Report]
>>96188124
>gives it such a new air of mystery to me
And I want to add: even though it's basically still the same
If you give an ancient guy an advanced telescope and point to them some nebula, they'll probably go "yeah that's probably the heavens"
Anonymous No.96188198 [Report] >>96188241
>>96188182
>Did wizards learn from space in HP?
What? No. The author says he originally wanted to make it about wizards rather than ninjas. But they’re both the same thing anyway, so…
Anonymous No.96188208 [Report] >>96188242 >>96188277 >>96188320 >>96192257
>>96186462
> The Ōtsutsuki Clan (大筒木一族, Ōtsutsuki Ichizoku) is an ancient clan of horned humanoid creatures known as celestial beings (天津人, amatsubito),[1] and also described as aliens (宇宙人, uchūjin) from another planet,[2][3] and revered as equivalent to gods.[4] As a parasitic species, they have spent thousands of years traversing through the cosmos in order to carry out the Ōtsutsuki Will (大筒木の意志, Ōtsutsuki no Ishi), a doctrine which dictates that clan members consume the life energy and genetic material of other worlds in order to continuously evolve, with the ultimate goal of attaining godhood.

Anon that’s just Lavos and the Elden Beast.
Anonymous No.96188241 [Report] >>96188256
>>96188198
>But they’re both the same thing anyway, so…
In folklore and kabuki, yes, ninjas were basically mages with eastern esotericism
Anonymous No.96188242 [Report] >>96188247 >>96188277 >>96188320 >>96192257
>>96188208
> For countless eons, the Ōtsutsuki Clan has been travelling throughout dimensions seeking out worlds to plant Ten-Tail saplings into. Once planted, they grow into a God Tree with their roots spreading across the planet to siphon chakra and genetic material from all its surroundings and inhabitants, resulting in everything dying and it bearing a large fruit for the Ōtsutsuki to consume in order for them to evolve, gaining power and longevity.

Yep that’s an Erdtree.
Anonymous No.96188247 [Report]
>>96188242
>gold is the color of life, chud
>stop complaining about the grass turning gold, chud
>gold centipedes? totally not a red flag, chud
Anonymous No.96188256 [Report]
>>96188241
The concept of qi/cultivation is also one of ritual, esoteric origin, which martialism merely absorbed. Spiritual alchemy. If we can perfect external materials then why not the internal self? The personal form?
Anonymous No.96188264 [Report]
>>96185361 (OP)
Traditional games?
Anonymous No.96188277 [Report] >>96188302
>>96188208
>>96188242
There does seem to be a parallel:

1. Tree thing comes to the land from another world
2. Woman that came to the land from a foreign land with said tree became god
3. Woman became disillusioned with OG force (the Ōtsutsuki and the Greater Will, respectively)
4. Woman then had demi gods for children
5. Demi gods began to war with each other

I wouldn't go as far to say ER is inspired by Naruto, or Naruto is inspired by ER, but there are definitely things in common in regards to the origin stories of the fictions.
Anonymous No.96188302 [Report] >>96188327
>>96188277
The Ten tails is an alien beastling/sapling coming to Earth, turning into a giant parasite (this huge tree/flower) to control the world and suck out its energy, using a woman as its herald. That’s more or less the Elden Beast, and Lavos, to a point.

Is there some common story that inspired both? What is it with alien beasts coming to Earth and sucking out its energy, or life experience, experience points, etc?

>I wouldn't go as far to say ER is inspired by Naruto, or Naruto is inspired by ER
The god tree debuted in 2013. Lavos debuted in 1995.

I don't think it's a stretch to say he had some inspiration story wise. You can see multiple visual comparisons between Berserk, Lord of the Rings, and ER to the point it's impossible to deny Miyazaki had direct inspiration. The very name ‘the lands between’ is in essence ‘middle-earth’. No reason in the world to deny he liked the idea of giant alien parasite, since it goes far back. But the form of the tree appears to have been taken from numerous different inspirations.
Anonymous No.96188314 [Report]
A giant plant that eats life force through the roots is probably a very old or very done trope.

A giant alien that eats the life force of its prey planet is probably a very old or very done trope.
Anonymous No.96188320 [Report] >>96196674 >>96196674
>>96185456
>>96187270

Big fan of Dragons being universe-spanning aliens as well, but specifically something more like this: >>96187790 That Dragons are actually just the '"oldest and original inhabitants of the universe, but their control and distribution keeps shifting due to drama/competition." I think Hellboy, that Final Fantasy mmorpg, and maybe even the original Tiamat from Babylonian mythology had all a similar situation: you'll never 'truly' be rid of Dragons because there's a bunch of frozen or petrified ones tucked away in asteroid belts, orbiting Jupiter or some shit as a fake moon, just waiting to land and thaw back on Earth so they can stir shit again.

>>96188208
>>96188242

Descending onto a planet filled with life so you can cultivate a fuck-you world tree for 10,000 years that'll eventually absorb all the available nutrients on the world congealed into a single crop of golden immortality apples is another classic kino alien villain. Love it.
Anonymous No.96188322 [Report] >>96188873
>>96185364
What did the different colors indicate?
Anonymous No.96188327 [Report] >>96188332 >>96188338 >>96188362
>>96188302
>The Ten tails is an alien beastling/sapling coming to Earth, turning into a giant parasite (this huge tree/flower) to control the world and suck out its energy, using a woman as its herald. That’s more or less the Elden Beast, and Lavos, to a point.
Oh look its a "The Erdtree is a parasite" anon.
Buddy that theory has been abandoned by the community for years now.
The thrust of the overarching tragedy was really all just Marika being a traumatized women chosen by disconnected bullshiters to be a god. And her trying to create a world where pain and suffering don't exist and nothing ever dies, by genociding anything that could get in the way, only to see it collapse anyway.
Anonymous No.96188332 [Report]
>>96188327
The Aliens were just enablers of a human drama.
Anonymous No.96188338 [Report] >>96188351
>>96188327
>Oh look it’s a "The Erdtree is a parasite" anon.
Golden order zealot detected. Your tree is a literal tumour on the planet, lmao.
Anonymous No.96188351 [Report] >>96188373 >>96188378
>>96188338
You got any real proof besides "vibes".
And no the corpses at the roots aren't that. Bodies are reabsorbed into the Erdtree for rebirth to the point where no natural human births have happened in the lands between for centuries.
Would a parasite give back its presumed prey so easily.
Anonymous No.96188362 [Report] >>96188438
>>96188327
>The thrust of the overarching tragedy was really all just Marika being a traumatized women chosen by disconnected bullshiters to be a god.
She knew what she was doing, you enormous simp. She was a huge whoremonger as well as a huge warmonger. The game can be chalked up to a massive Female Moment. You can’t even be sure she didn’t sacrifice her own kids on purpose. You can’t assume she was a good person, or a good mother.

>Buddy that theory has been abandoned by the community for years now.
Nah, what’s been abandoned for sure is the whole greattree nonsense. It’s still a good look at how religion evolved into a retarded non-canonical form (*cough*, Christianity, *cough*).

Also, runes quite literally contain the life essence, and the memory, of people. The Elden Beast in its fight is even shaped like its original subjects/sustenance - the ancient dragons.

The more runic power/potential a person has, the closer they are to becoming Numen, and they keep going higher up into Hero, Lord, etc. Marika is the most Numen.
Anonymous No.96188373 [Report] >>96188438
>>96188351
>Bodies are reabsorbed into the Erdtree for rebirth to the point where no natural human births have happened in the lands between for centuries.
Nah, Rebirth was removed. People are told to “just die” at the roots, confirmed by several ghosts. It’s a death cult. Not at all different from the glintstone sorcerers, just roots instead of rocks. It’s all parasitic life. Life is even seen to clump back together, disturbingly. It all connects.

The corpses in the jars that are used to fertilize the minor Erdtrees aren’t obvious enough for you?
Anonymous No.96188378 [Report]
>>96188351
>Would a parasite give back its presumed prey so easily.
Yes. If you’re privileged nepobabies like the demigods. It’s why the rune of rebirth was removed. You don’t literally get reborn as a baby anymore. You’re just brought back in full.
Anonymous No.96188383 [Report]
>>96185361 (OP)
Dorohedoro.
Anonymous No.96188399 [Report] >>96189175
>tourist FROMtroons shit up yet another thread spamming their gay gookslop
I tire of these /v/ermin and their nogames.
Anonymous No.96188401 [Report] >>96188412 >>96188877
Runes didn’t exist before the Elden Beast/Ring. You’ll notice that runes are shaped like irises, but also the way Nordic runes were made, which were made by slicing roots and branches into thin ‘coins’.
Anonymous No.96188412 [Report] >>96188437 >>96188438 >>96188877
>>96188401
Did the Ring take the form of a tree when Placidusax was Elden Lord? The Ring seen in Farum Azula is nothing like Marika’s. It’s unmolested.
Anonymous No.96188423 [Report] >>96198345
>>96185361 (OP)
>Well you see um aschually the cliche fantasy tropes I use in my setting have wildly different origins than what they normally do. You see they're not Gods or angels or demons, but aliens!
>Do they act any differently than a wizard or demon or angel would in a typical fantasy setting?
>No, beyond my autistic behind the scenes world building my setting is an uninspired uninteresting cliche riddled mess full of ideas I mostly pulled from popular visual media made in the last 20 years
Anonymous No.96188437 [Report]
>>96188412
It was probably just life, or the red gold of the Crucible, itself. The earth and the soil, general plants and root life. Mycelium? Who knows. What’s interesting is how Marika hates red and fire. I sometimes wonder if the Forge of the Giants was always meant to burn down the reforge the shape/age of the Ring.

The Erdtree is Marika’s attempt to centralize and control it into a given direction, and Eternally, I believe. She hijacked this project from the Hornsent, who were also making their own trees, also made by incorporating the dead into them, like how they built their city, or the Gate. They use life/bodies as fuel/material. Marika is doing this too, but she didn’t realize that this ‘age of plenty’ would end, as she did not fully understand her Order, or what she hijacked. It’s why fundamentalism is a thing. Faith laced with intellectual input.

Before the DLC, Marika’s ‘Eternal’ title originally made me think she betrayed the Nox, and took her seat as god over them, or their original plan. But now I’m wondering if she’s really trying to revive what they did, since they’re (their burial) is clearly older than the Hornsent. There was clearly an ancient tree growing project in the past, which you can see with the weird Moses figure covered in roots.
Anonymous No.96188438 [Report] >>96188449 >>96188451 >>96188468 >>96188484
>>96188362
If I made it out like I agreed with her than that's my bad. I do think she was a dumbass trying to make an unfeasible and childish dream real through terrible violence and when it didn't last she freaked the fuck out and ruined everything.
I just understand why she did it.
>The Elden Beast in its fight is even shaped like its original subjects/sustenance - the ancient dragons.
Anon The Elden Beast landing is what gave disparity and shape to the world the dragons would of needed to come after it. And there is no indication that it ate them.
"All that there is came from the One Great. Then came fractures, and births, and souls."
>>96188373
The Great Rune of the Unborn was removed by Radagon which firstly happened later in the Erdtree Era which still begs the question. Why would a parasite let it do that in the first place?. And if you will permit me to extrapolate here if the Elden Ring Governs all life then even in its shattered state it must still govern on account of the world still fucntioning like a world, and unlike Destined Death which when released we can only access through remberance items the Rune is there alongside all the others we collect.
Likewise the issues the spirits face is that with Marika gone there is nobody to oversee rebirth and so the system of life and death is stuck.
As for people coming back together its because the Primordial Crucible was the primal wellspring of life before Marika grew the Erdtree over it and so that primordial energy leaks into the system.
>>96188412
Once can assume the Erdtree is Markia's personal creation seeing as she can just create Erdtree's
Minor Erdtree
"Secret incantation of Queen Marika. Only the kindness of gold, without Order. Creates a small, illusory Erdtree that continuously restores the HP of nearby allies.
Marika bathed the village of her home in gold, knowing full well that there was no one to heal."
Anonymous No.96188449 [Report]
>>96188438
*remberance items and the Black Knives
Anonymous No.96188451 [Report] >>96188490
>>96188438
>the Elden Ring Governs all life
This is debatable. It might set forth an evolutionary path, but it’s clear that it’s not responsible for life, itself. Life away from the Erd’s yellow/gold is blue/silver. It’s like a metaphorical goldilocks zone, or something.
Anonymous No.96188468 [Report] >>96188490
>>96188438
>As for people coming back together it’s because the Primordial Crucible was the primal wellspring of life before Marika grew the Erdtree over it and so that primordial energy leaks into the system.
It’s because life reincarnates naturally. Marika took advantage of this law of nature and repurposed it through the roots of the Erdtree. She wanted to set its path. She wanted to be Mother Nature.
Anonymous No.96188484 [Report] >>96188534
>>96188438
>Anon The Elden Beast landing is what gave disparity and shape to the world
No that’s Dark Souls. That’s the First Flame. The Elden Ring didn’t shape the planet, it just set a course for life. Metyr is older than the Ring and predates it.

>And there is no indication that it ate them.
Sure. Let’s just ignore the environmental storytelling.

>"All that there is came from the One Great. Then came fractures, and births, and souls."
That’s the One Great (Big Bang) that set existence into motion. Yellow stars are something else. Life, stardust, is blue or blue-green. Yellow stars appear to hijack life. It’s possible it’s even necessary. We can’t exactly be sure which form of life is better or more worthwhile. But like Lavos from Chrono Trigger, we know that life is fine even without a planetary parasite to guide evolution. It may even be detrimental.
Anonymous No.96188490 [Report] >>96188513 >>96188520 >>96188527
>>96188451
That I can agree with if not for the nature of the Mending Runes changing fundamentals of life and death which means I kinda agree with >>96188468 on this. There were system in place before Marika fucked with everything but now that the Erdtree is there its everyone with a naturalborn soul's problem.

Really I was just trying to dissuade the Malevolent Greater Will and Elden Beast Parasite argument because I have seen it to many times and the way things were laid out.
The Greater Will is a by mistake absentee creator and the Elden Beast is just the physical form of The Elden Ring. Which existed before the Erdtree
Anonymous No.96188497 [Report] >>96188534
>it doesn’t eat people he says
Then why do people die at the roots when they’re told to? Their positions even look like they were begging to die. “No! The deathroot! How DARE you impede my suicidal devotion! No! I won’t be one who lives within death! Take me Erdtree!”
Anonymous No.96188513 [Report]
>>96188490
The Ring infects and dictates the planet, for better or for worse, but is itself not the planet or the planet’s formation. There are likely other Rings out there waiting to guide other worlds that have yet to be Ordered. Seluvis alludes to other yellow stars. There being other Erdtrees in the background of the fight with the Elden Beast might also point to this.

It’s also just ambiguous whether or not it’s a heliocentric universe or a geocentric one. The setting plays with both, mixing both physics sense and mythic sense.
Anonymous No.96188520 [Report] >>96188545
>>96188490
>Really I was just trying to dissuade the Malevolent Greater Will and Elden Beast Parasite argument
Malevolence is subjective. Something might be too big to care. Do you fault a lion for eating its prey? The price of the Order might be “worth it” for some. Other persons might see it as abhorrent.
Anonymous No.96188527 [Report] >>96188545 >>96188600
>>96188490
Nature being a capricious or malevolent thing is something seen in Asoiaf, which ER is clearly ripping from. Sacrifice is a natural component of nature, and it does reward. Nature is an asshole. Nature in ER is an infectious, competing cancer.

But nature doesn’t acknowledge itself as evil or good.
Anonymous No.96188534 [Report] >>96188556
>>96188484
Anon
"It is said that long ago, the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would later become the Elden Ring."
The world on which the game takes place was shaped from the Primordial Ooze onward by The Elden Ring and tis golden power. Its like us being carbons based beings compared to potential silicon based beings
>>96188497
Because of Erdtree Rebirth
Anonymous No.96188545 [Report] >>96188583 >>96188613
>>96188520
>>96188527
That's the thing I don't see the Elden ring as an aberration, I think Marika fucked up but I do not think that the system of The Elden Ring in itself and the tenants by which it shaped the world is inherently harmful to the life created from that.
Anonymous No.96188556 [Report] >>96188634
>>96188534
>The world on which the game takes place was shaped from the Primordial Ooze
Yes, the One Great. It’s the game’s lore’s equivalent of the Big Bang. The name is even pointing to One Great Big Bang.

>onward by The Elden Ring and tis golden power.
That’s just evolution. The Beastmen were once morons, before the Ring made them intelligent. Now they’re losing their smarts again. Humans might be losing theirs, if we’re to consider Demi-humans. Maybe.

Rise from beasts to civilization is a theme of this game’s world.

But glintstone is a nod to irl physics. We all come from stardust and we all return to the earth, the soil, in the end, which is taken over by the roots of the Erdtree. It’s “residual life”.

Sellen says this. Ymir says this. Lifeblood turning back into (red) glintstone points to it. The amber or sap of the Erdtree being blue and green, etc, and essentially being distilled residual life, points to it.
Anonymous No.96188583 [Report] >>96188588 >>96188634
>>96188545
The point is life is from the stars.

— I, too, am a glintstone sorcerer. We study the stars, and examine the life therein. Are you familiar with our findings? Long ago, we began as stardust, born of a great rupture far across the skies. We, too, are children of the Greater Will. Is that not divine? Is that not sublime? ...and yet, none can fathom its implications, its utter brilliance!

But the Ring was itself a star, a yellow or gold one, and it may have been the one responsible for evolution - or dictated its path. It might even be required for certain forms of intelligent life. Not sure.

Life’s evolution might also be a matter of patronage. You’ll notice that the trolls are “losing their minds” and growing smaller, or more diminished, ever since they tore out the eyes from their chests, after they betrayed their fire giant. It’s also possible they weren’t originally fire giants, but we know that fire giants weren’t the biggest giants either… (the truly enormous titans you see in the ground, in Caelid and the Mountaintops).

Ants grow larger from runic power. So do bears. I can see people shrinking, if their runic power (or equivalent) is consumed.
Anonymous No.96188588 [Report]
>>96188583
after they betrayed their fire giant* kin
Anonymous No.96188600 [Report] >>96188634
>>96188527
>But nature doesn’t acknowledge itself as evil or good.
Anything that rewards blood suffering and blood sacrifice is evil, even if it’s not aware of its actions.

Nature, evolution, causality itself, is an overly sophisticated blind idiot, yes, so it won’t be one to ever entertain things like sacrifice for better weather. Such a concept is artistic, and only something intelligent (self aware or non self aware) would ever entertain it.

This is why real magic in implication is truly fucking horrific. It’s more advanced than science-fiction to justify it. I’m serious.
Anonymous No.96188613 [Report] >>96188634
>>96188545
The Ring could be an aberration and still be worshiped despite full knowledge of that fact. What is a god, or a devil, is one decided by the people.
Anonymous No.96188634 [Report] >>96188676 >>96188703
>>96188556
>>96188583
Ok now that I fully understand what your saying and think on it I agree.
If I understand correctly Life in its purest essence is star stuff and we are in agreement that Gold just shapted the path life took.
I also posit that the gold of The Elden Ring also controls the underlying supernatural aspects of Elden Ring's World which I assume you would agree with
But the underlying matter is derived from the Cosmic.
>>96188600
That is a massive thing in Game of Thrones, the most sources of magic are all barely understood things that the characters within only have understanding of certain inputs and then assign meaning.
>>96188613
If the Ring is an Aberration then the Humans in the setting as children of the Ring are also Aberrations and at that point does it matter?
Anonymous No.96188657 [Report]
>>96185361 (OP)
I find it funny that the Urskeks are failed lawtists from a society of true Lawtists and that dark aspect of them that made them into failed lawtists is the driving antagonistic force of the setting.
Anonymous No.96188676 [Report] >>96188739
>>96188634
>If the Ring is an Aberration then the Humans in the setting as children of the Ring are also Aberrations and at that point does it matter?
I truly do believe this to some degree. It’s also played with in other fictions. That the origins of mankind are horrible. But, even then, even bad things can be turned into a good thing, and even good things can be turned into a bad thing.

I never used any of my runes in the game as I’m a collector at heart, and eventually I noticed that the runes progress towards Numen runes, then Hero runes, then Lord runes, and I eventually came to the conclusion that Numen are just humans of high runic power. No wonder they are “seldom born”.

Perhaps all humans originate with it. The Ring I mean. I’m not sure. We can’t even know if the ancient astrologers predate it.
Anonymous No.96188699 [Report]
>>96185361 (OP)
Name at least six (6) traditional games you played where this happened
Anonymous No.96188703 [Report] >>96188739
>>96188634
>I also posit that the gold of The Elden Ring also controls the underlying supernatural aspects of Elden Ring's World which I assume you would agree with
>But the underlying matter is derived from the Cosmic.
It’s a strong contender, for me. If it’s all stars, then there should be a star to order the stars, or tries to. Maybe it’s simply a star with intent behind its trajectory, like how evolution has no clear trajectory, or intelligent intent behind it. Still, we know that life away from the Ring still functions in some form. The ancestral followers are like the hornsent of the underground.
Anonymous No.96188739 [Report] >>96188761 >>96188781
>>96188676
>>96188703
Numen are the people both the Nox and Shamans area part of which are born with a naturally high compatibility with the world and the powers within it.
My point of contention then is that I do believe that all natural lifeon the world of Elden ring was shaped by the ring. In that there are no Humans, Giants, Followers or other beings outside of the Albanurics and other designated artificial creations that were not born because of the rings influence.
And at that point if all life on the world is and always has been beause of the ring.
That si not to say things cannot exist outside of its domain but that all we see in the game that is not from space or shaped by the study of space, was shaped by The Ring's influence.
In that regard the spiritual practices we see are those of a time before Marika's reign but still must then have been accepted by previous orders as acceptable outcomes.
Even under the Golden Order.
"Heresy is not native to the world; it is but a contrivance. All things can be conjoined."
Anonymous No.96188761 [Report] >>96188771
>>96188739
The Shaman and Nox(Tears) are goo people that stick together. It’s all goo up and down.
Anonymous No.96188771 [Report]
>>96188761
All of life is just ordered goo, but some is gooier than others.
Anonymous No.96188781 [Report] >>96188785
>>96188739
I’m skeptical of all life being from the Ring given the existence of Metyr, and how life works away from the Ring, or just how life works in space residually. But, I still find it highly likely that the Ring is the force that is responsible for life’s evolution. That the Beastmen lost their intelligence after they lost the Ring speaks volumes to me. The ancestral followers taking on animal traits from sustaining themselves on animal life or animal spirits is also curious.
Anonymous No.96188785 [Report] >>96188804
>>96188781
My bad if I worded it badly, when I mean all life I mean all life natural to the planet not all life in the universe.
Anonymous No.96188804 [Report]
>>96188785
>I mean all life I mean all life natural to the planet not all life in the universe
Yeah that. I think there is a very strong argument to be made that yellow stars, or Elden Rings, represent evolution, even the evolution of natural laws, like death.

Without its influence life/law isn’t naturally progressing the way it’s meant to. Maybe. Even life in space might be a bit dictated by yellow stars. There’s yellow in Astel’s tail - and it certainly punished the culture responsible for slighting the Greater Will; and this is assuming the Will is aware.
Anonymous No.96188842 [Report]
>>96185361 (OP)
That's fine, demons being the ones to initially teach magic is a long standing tradition.
Anonymous No.96188873 [Report] >>96191140
>>96188322
Which Vala they were associated with
Brown = Yavanna
White = Aulë
Grey = Varda (also Manwë per Tolkiengateway)
Blue = Oromë
Anonymous No.96188877 [Report] >>96189032 >>96189066 >>96189140
>>96188401

Runes are a constant in the Elden Ring Universe. They're a part of their world's metaphysics, the Erd Tree didn't "invent Runes", the Erd Tree merely controls the natural flow of and allotment of Runes in the world. The Erd Tree graces people in the Lands Between with an abundance of Runes, but people inherently have Runes when they're born, can be bestowed Runes by others, and can even fabricate Great Runes by their own will somehow.

Runes work exactly the same as Souls do in Dark Souls; it's just a currency for quintessence or anima or whatever.

>>96188412
>The Ring seen in Farum Azula is nothing like Marika’s. It’s unmolested.

It's definitely way more comprehensive and fleshed out compared to Marika's. Looking at it in pic related, Placidusax' Elden Ring has like over a dozen Great Runes crosshatched onto it.
Anonymous No.96188907 [Report]
>>96185361 (OP)
How did this impact your last gaming session?
Anonymous No.96188920 [Report] >>96196763
>>96185361 (OP)
no anon.
my wizards are the descendants of the retarded cavemen who killed and ate the aliens, the brutality of the event severed their connection to the gods forcing their personal belief to manifest instead in the powers they saw the alien using.
it was based on the caine and able myth, much in the same way my elves and dwarves are based on the Sodom and Gomorrah myths
Anonymous No.96188971 [Report] >>96194554
>>96185430
Gandalf was associated with Nienna, the goddess of grief and healing. The dream lady is Mandos' partner.
Anonymous No.96189032 [Report] >>96189050 >>96189082
>>96188877
Nah runes are alien to the world.

The only reason why you get runes from the enemies underground is because you bring Grace with you. That’s why you get runes at all.

— Remembrance of the Regal Ancestor Spirit, hewn into the Erdtree.
— Ancestral spirits exist as a phenomenon beyond the purview of the Erdtree. Life sprouts from death, as it does from birth. Such is the way of the living.

Reincarnation is a normal part of life and Marika simply took control of it.

>Runes work exactly the same as Souls do in Dark Souls; it's just a currency for quintessence or anima or whatever
Nah, they’re a stand in. Souls are blue the same way glintstone is blue, and all life comes from glintstone.

Runes containing the essence of life does not mean runes are THE essence of life. It simply contains it. Holds it.
Anonymous No.96189041 [Report]
>>96185430
Did Sauron win? No? Then they picked exactly right.
Anonymous No.96189050 [Report]
>>96189032
The game is pretty explicit that runes are containers, too. "Even now runes are imbued with the essence of life". Runes are clearly a vessel. People are vessels for runes.
Anonymous No.96189066 [Report]
>>96188877
>Runes are a constant in the Elden Ring Universe
If you assume that runes came with the Ring, then no, since Metyr landed before it. There are likely other Rings out there.
Anonymous No.96189082 [Report]
>>96189032
Whether runes are legit or not is one of my favourite ambiguities within the game.
Anonymous No.96189140 [Report]
>>96188877
That one on the left looks like it has that double helix sword going through the middle of it.
Anonymous No.96189175 [Report]
>>96188399
>tourist /co/cksucker mad his offtopic pedopuppet thread got derailed by legitimate discussion
Lawl
Anonymous No.96189756 [Report]
>>96188124
Don't forget the part where the goddess' created the world to contain an eldritch being that devours all nascent life forms.
Anonymous No.96189807 [Report]
>>96186462
Anonymous No.96189865 [Report] >>96190412
>>96187479
>And I’m not sure I can. I never expected to have to build a fusion society from the ground up.”
Yeah that's a big thing that falls apart in a lot of iseaki logic as well.
It's not enough to know how to make a gun, you need to know how to source ores, quality control, temper the steel properly, and then you have a single gun.
You need to transplant an entire knowledge base and infrastructure from stratch.
Anonymous No.96189967 [Report] >>96194191 >>96197796
>>96187157
>>96187201
>>96187316
I maintain that Astels are former humans which is why they don't look like weird tardigrate-jellyfish things like Elden Beast or Maris, Fathom of Night. I guess Metyr is a bit of an outlier, who knows.
The graven masses are described as "seeds of the stars" and Stars in ER are always used actually in relation to various living entities and beings. So, naturally, seeds of the stars would gestate into stars. They're eggs. They even have floating powers, so I posit that they would just eventually fly into space and gestate into Fallingstar Beasts, then come back to Lands Between.
Kind of vaguely matches how dragonflies lay eggs in water, too.
Anonymous No.96189995 [Report]
>>96185361 (OP)
What game are you talking about?
Anonymous No.96190041 [Report] >>96190286
Did ancient gods being actually aliens from distant space start from Lovecraft? It all stems from him right?
Anonymous No.96190286 [Report]
>>96190041
You can blame Garrett P. Serviss's "Edison's Conquest of Mars" for inspiring Lovecraft and a whole bunch of other science fiction writer of that era for planting the idea of Martians making the pyramids in their heads
Anonymous No.96190302 [Report]
>>96187162
Same difference
Anonymous No.96190412 [Report] >>96191073 >>96191163
>>96189865
By the time the story ended - about a year later in 1936 - the aliens had managed to build some vacuum tube computers for Italy that were about what would've been built in 1950. So more advanced than what would've been built natively but still something that could've been theoretically built using 1930s technology. Most of their impact was more on the doctrinal and political side of things. It got Italy to focus a lot more on diplomacy - where Mussolini was actually genuinely skilled - and away from thoughts of open warfare. The aliens went public pretty fast (it was impossible to keep them secret given the circumstances), and Mussolini spent most of the story trading access to alien information to other nations in exchange for the other nations not trying to seize or kill the aliens.

It helped that Italy was able to salvage what amounted to six ICBMs from the alien crash site, which the aliens showed them how to use (to make sure that they didn't blow themselves up experimenting with them), but Mussolini was savvy enough to realize that these COULD NOT be used to threaten people, because he only had six, and the second he actually used one against another nation, all others would unite against him. But it did mean that Italy wasn't just dogpiled by France and Britain and other nations. Plus he needed to make sure that no one turned to Germany, who had aliens of their own.

Basically I had Mussolini grasp how to fight a cold war pretty quickly, that the future of warfare was in treaties and politics and proxies and threats of mutually assured destruction, rather than massive armies clashing openly.
Anonymous No.96191073 [Report] >>96191129
>>96190412
>(it was impossible to keep them secret given the circumstances),
Was it?
Was it really?
In a world with only radio, and the telegraph and some primitive films where the idea of aliens had only broken into public conciousness recently with the War of the worlds, I don't think hiding aliens is that big of a stretch.
Constructing an engima machine is clearly possible, and whatever computers the Ayys had on hand could already perform cryptography far beyond the scale of any human sciences.
So that leaves old fashioned human reconaissance, and that's fairly managbale considering the recent mechanization meant the majority of people were still using animal based travel.
It's just a pretty drastic stretch to go from "Italy has advanced tech" to "obviously it's Aliens".
Mussolini just has to make a claim about a new polymath Leonardo divinci figure and occam's razor razor will do the rest.
Yeah the German's would know, but unless someone leaks how will the rest of the world know.
Anonymous No.96191129 [Report] >>96191135
>>96191073
Let me rephrase, or rather let me use the logic that was in the story. The Italians *did* keep their crash-landing (into the mountains near Milan) a secret for months, long enough for one of the aliens to pick up enough Italian to serve as a translator. And during negotitions between them and Galeazzo Ciano about how the Italians want the aliens to start "paying rent" (sharing technology)...

>Itzan sighed, scratching his snout. “Alright,” he said. He looked at Galeazzo. “But, here’s the real problem. I’m guessing that you’ve probably kept our landing here a secret from Gran-Bretagna and Germania and everywhere?” When Galeazzo nodded at Kailine’s translation, Itzan pressed on. “That’s going to have to stop.”

>Galeazzo physically recoiled at the translation. “No! Assolutamento non! Non accosentiremmo mai a quello!”

>Itzan didn’t bother waiting for a translation, easily guessing what Galeazzo had said. “I’m going to need to speak and work with a huge number of people,” he said. “Scientists, engineers, physicists, not to mention everyday workers and assistants. I’m going to need someone to sit me down and teach me Italian – how to read and write it as well as speak it – so you can add a school teacher or something to there as well. You’ll never be able to keep us a secret under those circumstances and you could actually put people in danger by trying it.”

>Galeazzo glared at Itzan. “Devo parlare con il Duce,” he said, standing and walking from the commons room. He did not look happy.

>“He’s going to go talk to Italia’s leader,” Kai translated after a moment. She looked back to Itzan. “Italia’s too small?” She asked, though from her tone of voice, she knew the answer.

cont'd...
Anonymous No.96191135 [Report]
>>96191129
>Itzan nodded, pressing a button on the side of the table. The holoscreen built into its center lit up, displaying the map they had uploaded into Haavi’s files. “Probably not their smartest move, giving us the map,” he said, a he began pointing out features. “But I mean, look at Italia. This weird peninsula here, a couple nearby islands, and a tiny fraction of this continent. Plus, if the whole country looks like this place, I’d guess they’re still mostly agrarian.”

>He pointed to the other nations on the map. “Developing fusion power will take a lot of resources. Maybe if we’d landed in one of Gran-Bretagna’s or Francia’s territories. Or Russia, that would have been ideal, since it’s all one big place rather than a hydraulic empire. Italia being so small has been great for making sure they didn’t rush us as soon as we landed, but they just don’t have access to a wide enough area.”

>Qadir nodded. “Kai’s reminded me that what we’re doing could seriously destabilize Terra, though. You don’t think us outing ourselves might lead to…problems?”

>Itzan shrugged. “Rock. Hard place. If I was forced to guess I’d say what’s more likely is as soon as Galeazzo or whoever announces us existing, there’ll be some kind of international forum called. Gran-Bretagna will want Francia or Russia to get our technology even less than Italia.”
Anonymous No.96191140 [Report] >>96191739
>>96188873
>White = Aulë
Why did saruman fuck the dwarfs over then
Anonymous No.96191163 [Report] >>96191405
>>96190412
I guess that makes sense, it is a more equal relationship than I thought, which means the aliens have no reason to stay secret since as you emphasized they want to get their bounties and dip, which means upscaling quickly.
Anonymous No.96191405 [Report] >>96195940
>>96191163
They end up figuring out another way to escape, incidentally - raiding Germany and stealing some fusion cores from the other spaceship. It was supposed to be a secret infiltration, but they were discovered. They managed to steal a fusion core but also created the circumstances necessary for the bad guy aliens to kill Hitler and take off. Though not before stopping off in Berlin first and laying waste to the city. But their ship's FTL drive wasn't working so they couldn't actually escape the system, so instead they take off for the asteroid belt, to start lobbing asteroids at Earth.

Mussolini, who didn't know about the raid idea, was understandably furious, but had to bow to the fact that the only ship that could stop the bad guys was the bounty hunter's and they were the only ones who could fly it; he sent them off but they had to take a regiment of Italian soliders with them, who had orders to make sure they got back to Earth no matter what.

The bounty hunters took the bad guy ship, but the whole thing had been a bluff so that the bad guys could take the bounty hunters' ship, since its FTL drive was working. But the bad guys didn't know about the Italians. Pitched battle eventually ends with bounty hunters and Italians winning and heading back to Earth with the bad guy ship in tow, but in the end the bounty hunter captain threatens to blow up his ship in the middle of Rome unless the Italians get off. They can keep the other ship they brought back and all the other bad guy aliens, just not their main bounty target.

So in the end, Italy still ends up ahead (they have alien prisoners and tech, plus six what amount to ICBMs to defened themselves with), but in a precarious situation. Germany is in a bad way since Berlin has been destroyed.

The story's called First Contacts Suck. The whole thing is basically about how in first contact situations, everyone is just using everyone else for their own ends and gain, heedless of the consequences.
Anonymous No.96191453 [Report] >>96191541
>>96187162
What's the difference, anon?
Anonymous No.96191541 [Report] >>96191555
>>96191453
Most people today are still too stupid to understand what alien even means. It’s not solely little green men in flying saucers. It just means alien. Fuck. It’s alien to your experiences. Alienating. You are alienated. Even Europeans were aliens, once.
Anonymous No.96191555 [Report] >>96191567 >>96191725
>>96191541
You're not that retard who gets upset when people use the firmly established word "comfy" are you?
Anonymous No.96191567 [Report]
>>96191555
No. I don’t fret over comfort.
Anonymous No.96191725 [Report] >>96191773 >>96191837
>>96191555
That anon is mad at the reductive nature of mass consumption and sometimes culture overall. This word that is more about a state of being than a single identified thing, is being reduced. English is a complicated language, and we already have commonly known words and phrases to get more granular. People get lazy, things get dumbed down. It's tragic that so many just willfully and proudly march to the banner of ignorance. Be specific, be granular. Explain things too much, and leave no room for misunderstanding. The maiar, even in their own setting, are literally, definitively alien. Extraterrestrial is up for debate.
Anonymous No.96191739 [Report]
>>96191140
>>96185430
>failed DC 5 Sense Motive, changed alignment and allegiance as a result
Anonymous No.96191773 [Report]
>>96191725
>Extraterrestrial is up for debate.
Elves, despite being alien to men, are native to earth, while the Maia actually predate its formation, and even helped in its song of creation. Both the elves and the Istari wizards are alien, but only one is/was extra to the terrestrial sphere, far back enough.
Anonymous No.96191776 [Report] >>96191885
>>96187162
>they're angels.
Space angels
Anonymous No.96191837 [Report] >>96191885
>>96191725
>That anon is mad at the reductive nature of mass consumption and sometimes culture overall
He’s currently losing it in the other thread. He truly cannot parse that some things are subjectively perceived.

“Magic is whatever the fuck the author or perception wants it to be”
“No it isn’t, it can be other things too!”
“That’s what I just said”
“No it isn’t”

I feel like I’m talking to an unconscious bug person.
Anonymous No.96191885 [Report] >>96191907 >>96195631
>>96191776
I suspect he has difficulty with English in general. His vocabulary is limited, and he keeps re-using the same words, like monist or epistemology. I believe he may also the anon who keeps asking “what game?”, or “how is this related to your game?”, in all sorts of threads on the catalogue. He is truly an autistic person who sees the world in boxes and cannot diverge.
>>96191837
>I feel like I’m talking to an unconscious bug person.
He’s Chinese. He called me gweilo like a month ago.
Anonymous No.96191907 [Report]
>>96191885
Yep. Look. >>96191850
Anonymous No.96192257 [Report]
>>96188242
>>96188208

wow so original, literary genius at work
Anonymous No.96194191 [Report]
>>96189967
If I'm not mistaken, the implied implication is that the Falling Star Beast is an adolescent Astel especially when you look at the head and jaws which look like Astels except the eye is still forming.
Anonymous No.96194554 [Report] >>96214526
>>96188971
NTA but Olórin did serve and was influenced by Nienna and spent a lot of time conversing with her, but he was Manwë's servant first.
Anonymous No.96194732 [Report] >>96195760
>>96185361 (OP)
Far beyond the farthest star, the supernatural beings who dwell there ... are humans with funky hair styles and slightly fewer fingers.

Hmmmm....
Anonymous No.96194738 [Report] >>96195521
>>96187157
>>96187316
I thought they didn't just suddenly show up, but that they were called / summoned to the world by astrologers whose searching magics lured them / caught their attention?
Anonymous No.96195060 [Report] >>96195412
>>96187214
There's actually at least four from what I've found.
>Expedition To The Barrier Peaks
>City of the Gods
>Temple of the Frog
>Tales of the Comet
Anonymous No.96195153 [Report] >>96195210
>>96185361 (OP)
My Wizards are all evil aliens who use exclusively the magical arts of trickery and usury to scam god-fearing martials who don't know any better and attempt to subvert their governments.
Anonymous No.96195210 [Report]
>>96195153
Pretty farfetched idea, there's no way the average martial would fall for something like that.
Anonymous No.96195412 [Report]
>>96195060
What would one need to keep in mind if one wanted to run a Roadside Picnic: Medieval Boogaloo, with magic and monsters being results of such crash, or even just a quick stop by the ayys?
Or would it be more Hard To Be a God? I guess if the aliens were scientists observing the planet's civilizations and were prohibited from interfering.
Would be a cool rug-pull moment for any wizard, that's for sure. And the alternative scenario implying that the "wizard" himself is an alien, and has to stay in-character at all times or get extracted and receive disciplinary action.

Actually, in the second scenario, the plot quest NPC, and the overall plot itself, could be tied into some alien scheme, such as preventing a total civilizational collapse due to a rogue actor, or retrieving a dangerous tech that fell into the wrong hands (read: natives receiving "divine artifact" that the party is supposed to steal)
Either way, bredi gud, especially if the truth about the setting isn't known to PCs until halfway into this, unless they fuck around and find out on their own.
Anonymous No.96195414 [Report]
>>96185361 (OP)
Instead of being the wizards, they are the former servants of the wizards who recognized the Humans could do what they did and taught them how to use their powers.

It's mostly a selfish ploy because they can't use the power themselves and are hoping to mold Humanity into a race they can serve and exist alongside to prevent their own regression.
Anonymous No.96195521 [Report] >>96195756 >>96231695
>>96194738
>I thought they didn't just suddenly show up, but that they were called / summoned to the world by astrologers whose searching magics lured them / caught their attention?

I'm just reading about it now.
It sounds like the Astrologers were a pre-Erdtree culture that lived on the snowy mountaintops where the Fire Giants used to live. They lived there because it had the clearest view to the stars, but they would also get "first dibs" on any meteorites or comets that came there way. It wasn't until a later point did the ritual culture advance enough that they could grab the attention of alien beings and summon them planet-side. Rennala is a descendant of this tribe.

The Demi-Humans also used to be a star-gazing culture, but they supposedly saw something written in the stars that they didn't like and willingly abandoned the pursuit of sorcery and devolved into the primitive people they are today.
Anonymous No.96195569 [Report]
>>96185361 (OP)
Plus points if it isn't "Muh advanced science" it's literally magic. Space magic.
Anonymous No.96195631 [Report] >>96197038
>>96191885
>He is truly an autistic person who sees the world in boxes and cannot diverge
So, you?
Anonymous No.96195756 [Report] >>96196031 >>96196610
>>96195521
I always took the Demi-Humans as a direct analogue of Howard's Ape-Men concept, where in the Conan version of earth, men of different ethnicities arise out of various tribes of giant ape which become greater in intelligence over time and as they do so evolve into the human shape losing more of the inherent savagery and strength to be replaced with learning, culture, and eventually decadence.
With the three outcomes being that when a race that has advanced to become to decadent, they are aggressed by an outside group of men who still retain that savage instinct and are conquered and subsumed into the bloodlines of the conquerors, driven back into barbarism through which they devolve, or lacking any successful outside aggressor reach a point of placidity that causes them to fade away or be easily exploited by the ambitious within their society to oblivion.

Both Martin and Miyazaki are fans of old pulp fiction including Conan, and with a more blatant allusion to this with the Beast-Men I wonder if the rejection of Stargazing is a similar primal reversion.
Anonymous No.96195760 [Report]
>>96194732
The humanoid form is to sapient creatures what the crab form is to crustaceans.
Just evolutive convergence
Anonymous No.96195940 [Report] >>96196449
>>96191405
>The Enemy has Alien technology far beyond anything on the planet
>However, they're still Italian!
Anonymous No.96196031 [Report]
>>96195756
>Both Martin and Miyazaki are fans of old pulp fiction

This is old trivia, but Miyazaki actually stole the appearance of the Crystalian directly from "Fighting Fantasy", pic related. Miyazaki's parents forbid him from playing video games until he was in University, so he spent his youth reading and playing tabletop.
Anonymous No.96196449 [Report]
>>96195940
"If we attack during reposo, they'll be too busy sipping spritz aperols and drinking espresso to retaliate!"
"But sir, that only gives us a daily six hour window to strike in! And all day every Sunday! And the entire month of August!"
Anonymous No.96196610 [Report]
>>96195756
Demi-Humans are basically Gloranthan trolls from Runequest.
Anonymous No.96196660 [Report] >>96196674
>>96185456
Nah, I dig 'em as ascended dinosaur hero-gods. The meteor which paved the way for mammalian ascendance was either necessary to create them, a dinosaur attempt to take out the gods they regretted creating, said gods spitefully turning on their makers or simply not caring enough to avert catastrophe for their lessers.

Either way survivors degenerated into spiteful reptillians/snakefolk in their deep bunkers only to re-emerge as sorcerer kings who partially uplifted humanity as sacrifice-fodder.

>>96187790 may be partially at play too in that there may be a hierarchy of sorts in terms of the lowly wyrms forced to crawl on their belies amongst mere mortals, the dragons whose wings carry them as far as the atmosphere allows and true wielders of "the Secret Fire" who soar the heavens on fusion plumes and solar sails (in classic draconic fashion the chain of being is a matter of ever deeper contempt in one direction and jealous spite in the other).
Anonymous No.96196674 [Report]
>>96196660

>>96188320 can have a prion-like aspect to it. A key notion of linking dinos to dragons (with reptillians as the feeble remnants) is the asteroid impact. For one thing the High Dragons will have further modified themselves extensively for micro-g living and interstellar flight but the asteroid suggests offworld origins for the "stuff" that made that apotheosis-augmentation possible. Unwieldy as gravity wells are they represent a lot of resources in a single place that aren't going anywhere (any spacefaring civ with sense is consuming asteroid fields rather than colonising planets).

This makes them perfect places for pseudo-reproduction to occur in the form of miraculous mutagenic materials (a la Colour Out of Space) which while incapable of gestating into Heavenly Beasts alone can be grasped by any intelligent natives and bent towards that purpose. The "reproductive" aspect of this infestation is the genius of the mortals combined with the miraculous essence. The High Dragons are so alien that it's impossible to tell if they're ex-dinos from earth a few trashuman feedback cycles in or the original Shoggoth-berg comets seeding the inner planets every time they pass by.

Explains why you get dragon-this and dragon-that back on earth too. While the High Dragons are beyond death and so reproduction (excepting the grand cycles of co-opting planets) their failed skybound or worse kin are filled with an aimless sense of incompletion as well as hypervirile alien essence.

What sorta game would (you) >>96188320 prefer to base such "alien-dragon" concepts around btw? The above is probably best done as a sort of reptile-biopunk sword and sorcery thing.

Not sure where the ayy wizards >>96185361 (OP) would fit into this btw, maybe they're grey-analogues except they're time travellers and/or mutated by the Colour Out of Space (like black goo in the X Files)? Perhaps reptilians who got so good at "kill and replace" that that's what they're convinced they are?
Anonymous No.96196763 [Report] >>96197169
>>96187756
I mean, given Middle Earth is ostensibly a predecessor to our own age and Tolkien was a devout CHRISTian it's safe to say Eru canonically has that one worked out. You'd have to ask a catholic if "Jesus was an alien" is orthodox but since iirc aliens aren't necessarily Fallen (and so not in need of the whole "dying for our sins" shtick) Eru being directly manifested at all is in response to (and notionally OF) the most "human" thing to have ever happened (the fall).
>>96188148
Will check out, thanks.
>>96188920
Going by Caine and Able were the ayys "brothers" in a sense? Given the "Am I my brother's keeper?" implicit lie is what got Caine damned as much as the murder itself is that what concocting their manifested belief is metaphorically? Also beyond retarded caveman rage was there any crops/meat sacrifice to a greater power beef behind the murder?
Anonymous No.96196794 [Report]
>>96187162
Aliens to some... angels to others
Anonymous No.96197038 [Report] >>96197199
>>96195631
No, seeing how boxes overlap isn't true boxing.
Anonymous No.96197169 [Report] >>96197284
>>96196763
its mostly half remembered chapel class from an Anglican school, so its Caine and Able as in "they did a murder before murder was cool, got severed from god(s) and cursed with immortality watching die without going to heaven" with a dash of vampire masquerades "and as caine wandered he grew superpowers and sired heirs who had that power diminished, but were still cast from the heavens"
in the campaign it mostly just shows up with paladins being SUPER rare, as they had to, a) never use magic, b) perform a LOT of selfless deeds, c) die an honourable death, which SHOULD have gained them access to the heavens, but decline the offer since you still have people to help in the realm of mortals.
as well as wizards being REALLY long lived, and very prone to insanity, since they're basically living with their immortal soul being town apart by its attempts to enter the divine realm, while the gods try to push it away.
the partys paladin has the most knowledge of all this shit, because the chat with the gods hinted at a few tidbits, but he thinks humanity failed the gods through inaction, so he's trying to prove humanities worth by seeking out and destroying, like how the early proto-men killed the ayys, which spooks the gods.
party sorcerer is just a new first generation descendant, since all those original proto-men still live, mostly as liches, but some times they gain lucidity (but not memory), forming families, losing their mind as the family age and die before them, then return to insanity. he just thinks hes the daughter of a powerful shaman.

i doubt the campaign will go long enough for any of this to matter though, since half the party lack the ability to spend even 4 hours a week away from their phones, and re-explaining combat scenarios, and recapping turns every time its one guys turn is taking its toll on everyone.
Anonymous No.96197199 [Report] >>96197300
>>96197038
No, his posts definitely mark him as some manner of autistic that's abnormal even for 4chan's standards
Anonymous No.96197284 [Report]
>>96197169
Well, we very rarely get the "perfect" game which is why many of us gather at this Bantustani watering hole to bitch. The paladin's misunderstanding sounds neat though, I suppose the issue could clarify further if they recognise that the gods are acquainted with the sorcerer (assuming they kept an eye on the first few generations of "Caineites").
Anonymous No.96197300 [Report] >>96197325
>>96197199
Which one? The one who doesn’t see how crap like magic and miracles and psionics are all the same? Or is it the one who sees them as all the same thing and refuses to see otherwise?
Anonymous No.96197325 [Report] >>96197358
>>96197300
The one where he's trying to psychoanalyze random posts on the internet as the same all-encompassing nemesis chasing him down like the captain sperg to his moby dickless. That's just fucking weird.

>The one who doesn’t see how crap like magic and miracles and psionics are all the same? Or is it the one who sees them as all the same thing and refuses to see otherwise?
That seems like a waste of time to debate either way when most game masters will just outright rule if magic and pisonics the same or not in their particular games, usually for the purposes of balance.
Anonymous No.96197358 [Report] >>96197380
>>96197325
>The one where he's trying to psychoanalyze random posts on the internet as the same all-encompassing nemesis chasing him down like the captain sperg to his moby dickless.
Yeah. I wish he’d stop crying “wonderfag!” all the time when he comes across people who actually understand what makes up magic. He usually screams “monist!”, or something, too.
Anonymous No.96197380 [Report] >>96197421
>>96197358
>when he comes across people who actually understand what makes up magic
Pretty sure nobody does because "magic" doesn't exist in real life outside of the entertainment field of illusionists, but hey, go off queen
Anonymous No.96197421 [Report] >>96197438 >>96197442
>>96197380
Magic can’t exist even in fiction once you realize it’s just internal brain chemistry butting heads with external phenomena. If something, anything exists, then it can be seen as magic or not-magic.

Like, I don’t care how wibbly wobbly woo your fictional magic is. It’s still real within its fictional reality, and thus subject to the realm of reality/logic. You can’t even take out physics from any given fantasy story since causality is the thing responsible for stories to begin with.

Authors like Tolkien *knew* that magic is purely the mind’s eye, and this is why it’s so fun and beautiful. “It depends on the author or setting” is easily replaced with “it depends on the person or culture”, like how Tolkien’s elves don’t actually believe in (elven) magic, only men, Hobbits, do.

Denying any of this is claiming magic is a specific thing, and that people coming up with their own takes on magic is wrong.!
Anonymous No.96197438 [Report]
>>96197421
>Like, I don’t care how wibbly wobbly woo your fictional magic is. It’s still real within its fictional reality, and thus subject to the realm of reality/logic.
This. Some hypothetical sufficiently alien being should be able to analyze or look at the magic as not-magic. Their idea or bar for magic could be higher than ours. They may even be responsible for the magic in the first place.
Anonymous No.96197442 [Report] >>96197534
>>96197421
Honestly, you just sound like a faggot who likes arguing to see your own words
Anonymous No.96197534 [Report] >>96197545
>>96197442
Nah. I’m just pointing out that “magic” / “that’s not magic, THIS is Magick!” IS magic. Magic is a punking game of word warfare. The essence that leads up to the feeling don’t matter. “Miracles ARE different from magic! I don’t CARE if they are indistinguishable and make me feel the same thing!”. It’s like arguing a cat is not a form of biological life like a dog. Are cats and dogs different? Yes, but they’re still related and still all biological.
Anonymous No.96197545 [Report] >>96197619
>>96197534
You should finish that sentence.
>Are cats and dogs different? Yes, but they’re still related and still all biological.
"...and it is is still important to understand the fundamental differences between the two, like how apples and oranges are both fruit but still different enough we need to treat them differently".

Like I said, a faggot who likes arguing to see their own words.
Anonymous No.96197619 [Report] >>96197627
>>96197545
Humans share nearly fifty percent of their dna with bananas. ;^)
Anonymous No.96197627 [Report]
>>96197619
Yet we're still not qualified to be cannibals if we eat a banana :(
Anonymous No.96197642 [Report] >>96198066
>>96187162
and magic is just science we don't understand yet
Anonymous No.96197796 [Report]
>>96189967
Nah it's kind of clear that astels are the next phase of the falling star beasts development. Same skull/head thing and eye.
What you're talking about, Sellens star creation experiment, is something else entirely and might even be an attempt to send a human consciousness into space to better learn and commune. The only issue I everything they make is fucking brain dead.
>like Elden Beast or Maris
Those guys are too similar to be coincidence. The ER/Greater Will created the Elden Beast to essentially safeguard the order of the land, maybe that's just what the active direct creation of an out God looks like. Just this huge protoplasmic being of its respective energy.
Anonymous No.96198066 [Report] >>96198095 >>96198515
>>96197642
Most of tg is too retarded to understand that ‘the gods’ are just big aliens we don’t fully understand yet. All you need to have a legitimate god is something sufficiently godlike, to be sure. Atheist scientists would probably worship, or revere, some alien sage (by our account) that crashed landed on Earth, assuming it had transcendent wisdom to share. Of course God would have superior knowledge of physics than his subjects.
Anonymous No.96198095 [Report] >>96198111
>>96198066
...And you have physical proof of your assertion, or are you pulling all of this out of your ass?
Anonymous No.96198111 [Report] >>96198123 >>96198151
>>96198095
How are the gods not aliens? Explain it to me. I’ll wait.
Anonymous No.96198123 [Report] >>96198169
>>96198111
No, I'm just asking where your confidence in asserting that gods ARE aliens comes from, since we don't have solid proof of either extraterrestrial life OR deities. Did you have like a pdf of a dissection of an alien and a deity to compare to, or interview notes from one confirming that, or what?
Anonymous No.96198151 [Report] >>96198169
>>96198111
>How are the gods not aliens?
Well, let’s be specific. Which gods?
Anonymous No.96198169 [Report] >>96198320 >>96198335 >>96198753
>>96198123
If they predate the planet, and possibly are the reason why the planet even formed, then they’re aliens. They are by definition external to the terrestrial sphere.
>>96198151
True. Even a tree can be worshiped as a god. But the “and so they made everything” type of god? Aliens.
Anonymous No.96198245 [Report] >>96208892
My game, set in 1345, has aliens as the main villain. They were locked in a tomb in Roman times and are really pissed about it.
Anonymous No.96198320 [Report] >>96198461
>>96198169
Again, proof?
Anonymous No.96198335 [Report]
>>96198169
>True. Even a tree can be worshiped as a god.

See: Yrminsul.
Anonymous No.96198345 [Report]
>>96188423
The seething rage of a manchild who uses /tg/ as a replacement for actually playing games... many such cases.
Anonymous No.96198461 [Report] >>96198531
>>96198320
What more proof do you need? Do you not know what aliens means? It doesn’t mean little green men in flying saucers. It just means alien. Even Europeans were alien, once.

If your gods created the world, or predate the world, or some from elsewhere, then they’re alien by definition. Existence is more alien than not.

God by definition is an extra-terrestrial, as he predates his creation, and as such is external to the terrestrial sphere.
Anonymous No.96198515 [Report] >>96198542 >>96198552 >>96205114
>>96198066
Oh look, it's that same retard that got btfo'd by this image!
Anonymous No.96198531 [Report] >>96198552
>>96198461
>Even Europeans were alien
Ah, so you're a retard who intentionally uses malapropers and conflation. Never mind, I understand. You enjoy wanking yourself off then, good sir.
Anonymous No.96198542 [Report] >>96200162
>>96198515
Oh look, it’s the same retard who put forth a paradox (“these aliens know everything, but then they suddenly don’t!”), you’ve been told off before, repeatedly.
Anonymous No.96198552 [Report] >>96198561 >>96200162
>>96198515
Violating the laws of nature =|= violating nature. Laws are our observations, while Theory is our explanation. You don’t even know what science is. You can’t do basic nuance. You can’t do it. You’re an idiot.

>>96198531
Alien. Alienated. Alienation. These are all words.
Anonymous No.96198561 [Report]
>>96198552
Says the man who apparently doesn't know what the word "proof" means
Anonymous No.96198606 [Report]
>>96187214
Mystara's current day setting takes place thousands of years after Blackmoor which was built upon the technology of a crashed spaceship, The Beagle, that was carrying humans from either another world or possibly a seperate universe.

Not a ton of the Blackmoor era tech survives into Mystara's present day due to Blackmoor blowing up and causing The Rain of Fire.
Anonymous No.96198621 [Report] >>96198643
>>96187162
The responses to this are actually just a form of virtue signalling on behalf of gay modern materialism. The same people will tell you that men in dresses are actually women, 100%.
Anonymous No.96198639 [Report]
Anonymous No.96198643 [Report]
>>96198621
>on behalf of gay modern materialism
Epistemological cope. Scientism has won while you rot.

Christians arguing against materialism is basically arguing against God existing. It is that stupid. Do Christians really think that God has no Godly Substance to Him? LMAO.

You can easily replace materialism with there-ism. Is something there? Is it real? Is God real? Is He there? Then there’s something to it.

Even space time is a fabric of a kind.
Anonymous No.96198753 [Report] >>96198813
>>96198169
>But the “and so they made everything” type of god? Aliens.
Even the ones that have specific birthplaces on Earth?
Anonymous No.96198813 [Report] >>96199007
>>96198753
They created the Earth, silly. It’s not the place of their birth. If they were born on Earth then they’re at best alien to native life, like how some cultures are alien to others, except much more magnified.
Anonymous No.96199007 [Report] >>96199028 >>96199060
>>96198813
>They created the Earth, silly

Depends on the mythology now, doesn’t it? In Greek mythology, for example, the gods didn’t create the Earth, the Earth had been around for encounter eons before the gods even came into being. Their predecessors the Titans didn’t even create the Earth.

And like I said, some gods have specific birthplaces - Zeus was born on the island of Crete, for example; Hermes was born on Mount Cyllene.
Anonymous No.96199028 [Report] >>96199227
>>96199007
>for encounter eons
*countless eons.

>If you roll this, your players encounter 1d4+1 wild eons, looking for timelines to extend.
Anonymous No.96199060 [Report] >>96199103
>>96199007
>In Greek mythology, for example, the gods didn’t create the Earth, the Earth had been around for encounter eons before the gods even came into being. Their predecessors the Titans didn’t even create the Earth.

If the gods predate Earth, they’re extraterrestrial aliens. If the gods are a part of earth but still distant and aloof, then they are terrestrial aliens, especially if they’re sourced to other lands.

That’s all.
Anonymous No.96199103 [Report] >>96199131
>>96199060
>f the gods predate Earth

And what about the mythologies where there’s a divinity that literally IS Earth? Gaia, Geb, Ymir…
Anonymous No.96199131 [Report] >>96199445
>>96199103
Then the planet is a dead alien and we’re all germs. Some speculate existence to be the body of some larger than life being, the same way there are worlds within worlds within us, right now, waging war.
Anonymous No.96199227 [Report]
>>96199028
"Don't play a chronomancer", they said!
"You won't be able to contribute", they said!
WHO'S LAUGHING NOW, CHUCKLENUTS?
Anonymous No.96199445 [Report]
>>96199131
I truly do believe existence is the inside of some cosmic furby like creature.
Anonymous No.96199473 [Report]
>>96185361 (OP)
>his gods are ancient wizards
>his aliens are ancient wizards
>the voices in his heads are ancient wizards
>his wizards are the unwitting puppets of ancient wizards
Anonymous No.96200162 [Report] >>96203100
>>96198542
>still thinks it's a paradox

>>96198552
>still too retarded to understand that a complete understanding of nature = nature

And still samefagging. You're so fucking sad.
>inb4 "hurr durr i'm not samefagging"
Yeah, you are, you're the only idiot who can't grasp this concept.
Anonymous No.96203100 [Report] >>96203602
>>96200162
You lost.
Anonymous No.96203388 [Report]
>>96185361 (OP)

I don't know what's going on in this thread, but I'm using this as an excuse to name drop La-Mulana, which probably has my favorite version of this trope.

In La-Mulana an alien goddess named Mother loses her ability to remain in space and crash lands on earth. In order to get back into space, Mother gives birth to generations of "children", sapient races, in the hopes one of them will be smart enough to build her a ship and gtfo the planet. After like 7 generations and millions of years everything is shit: 2 generations of children try stealing her power, the closest gen trip before the finish line and succumb to identity-politic wars, a foreign alien civ (the Annunaki) briefly invade to try and kill her and enslave her children, and Mother is left old and infertile.
Going through menopause, Mother decides to murder-suicide the planet and be done with it; humanity, the 8th and last gen, end up stopping her via platforming and puzzle-solving.
Anonymous No.96203602 [Report]
>>96203100
Yep, I failed to free you from your own self-inflicted paradox.
Anonymous No.96204807 [Report] >>96204830
>>96185361 (OP)
>Light bringers
DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT ME, YOU SON OF A BITCH!
Anonymous No.96204830 [Report] >>96211931
>>96204807
What is that, what is that?
Anonymous No.96205047 [Report] >>96205114 >>96205162
>>96187162
Most people get that the difference between scifi and fantasy is just perspective and themes, and the two can be blended together or perspective can shift and tilt from one to the other or in-between.

But some people like this Anon just get confused by it.
Anonymous No.96205114 [Report] >>96205162 >>96212368
>>96205047
>Most people get that the difference between scifi and fantasy is just perspective and themes
Most people on /tg/ are too stupid to think interchangeably and get angry if you tell them things like “sci fi and fantasy are the same”, or “magic and miracles are the same”, or “gods are aliens”, etc. They are rotted by escapism and want their ideas to be unique and distinct and completely untouchable no matter the perspective. Hence the retard here >>96198515 who can’t parse physics for reality and keeps submitting a retarded paradox without seeing how it’s a goddamned paradox.
Anonymous No.96205162 [Report] >>96205308
>>96205047
>>96205114
Who the fuck cares?
Anonymous No.96205308 [Report] >>96205352
>>96205162
I care when threads are destroyed because morons are too stupid to hold a train of thought.

“Magic is whatever the fuck”
“No it can be whatever I want it to be!”
“Yes that’s what I just said, idiot”
“No you didn’t!”

It goes on until the thread reaches bump limit — all because he’s too stupid to see the argument for what it is.
Anonymous No.96205352 [Report] >>96205370
>>96205308
For real, who cares? Write a blog about it or something if you're this upset about it.
Anonymous No.96205370 [Report] >>96205404
>>96205352
1. It’s disturbing how people can be this stupid
2. “Just let your thread be raped bro”
Anonymous No.96205404 [Report] >>96205419
>>96205370
>"Your thread"
You have absolutely any idea how beyond retarded that sounds?
Anonymous No.96205419 [Report] >>96205432
>>96205404
“A thread died for this”
Anonymous No.96205432 [Report] >>96205513
>>96205419
Exactly. Some worthless thread was replaced by an even more worthless thread. The idea that anyone should be proud of a thread enough to try and claim it as their own as some anonymous douche on the internet is probably the most pathetic thing I've seen today. I've seen ai slop threads more respectable than this one.
Anonymous No.96205513 [Report] >>96205600
>>96205432
Sure, but that still leaves the first point. It's eerie coming across people who can't think interchangeably. It's fun to poke at them. The autist who sees everything in superficial boxes without opening them up is real.
Anonymous No.96205600 [Report] >>96205719
>>96205513
Doesn't make the thread any less worthless, nor you any less worthless for filling this landfill with more garbage.
Anonymous No.96205719 [Report] >>96206223
>>96205600
>”just let people stay retarded”
No? I will at least attempt to best then in the head with a stick(logic).
Anonymous No.96206223 [Report] >>96206664
>>96205719
Anon, the problem with that is that the issue is starting at home. Aka you're retarded.
Anonymous No.96206664 [Report] >>96206717 >>96206717
>>96206223
>I’m retarded for using common sense?
>no you’re retarded for using common sense on fucking 4chan of all things
Brutal
Anonymous No.96206717 [Report] >>96206739
>>96206664
>>96206664
Gotta love how you're so caught up in feeling smarter that you can't even pretend to defend this thread's existence. Get a goddamn blog, nerd
Anonymous No.96206739 [Report] >>96206768
>>96206717
How do you even avoid “y-you just think you’re so smarter than everyone!” when you’re actually a smarter individual? You can’t!
Anonymous No.96206768 [Report] >>96206794 >>96212255
>>96206739
Dunning–Kruger effect
Anonymous No.96206794 [Report] >>96206898
>>96206768
No. I’m serious. At its most extreme, the man who knows everything is indistinguishable from waging a war upon the world. “They hated him because he told the truth”. You’re already branded the equivalent of a witch if you posit a mildly dissenting or taboo opinion. It doesn’t matter what the opinion is. Humans threw a man into an insane asylum for telling surgeons to wash their fucking hands.

Humans are retarded as a rule, not the exception.

Put a hundred people in a room, with 99 of them repeating something blatantly or absurdly wrong. Will the one outlier who knows better speak up? Very rarely. The fact is, stupidity is the norm, the train, the bandwagon. Ignorance is as much bliss as it is a setting/environment.
Anonymous No.96206898 [Report]
>>96206794
>No. I’m serious.
That's why it's sad to see you this deluded
Anonymous No.96208048 [Report]
Fuck I love wizards
Anonymous No.96208892 [Report] >>96214074
>>96198245
I'm interested in this. Where's the game set now? What are the aliens like? How did the Romans defeat them in the first place?
Anonymous No.96210692 [Report]
An alien stranded on a less developed world is immediately given wizard rights. That’s just the way space travel works. Those are the rules.
Anonymous No.96210838 [Report]
>>96187162
People who knew what plants heal and what plants kill were magical back then. Deformed people were gods or demons back then. Storms were gods fighting back then. So, i think superior beings with unknow powers to us can be aliens.
Anonymous No.96211931 [Report]
>>96204830
OH THERE HE IS, TAKE HIS JACKET, DON'T LET HIM GET HIS JACKET!
Anonymous No.96212255 [Report] >>96212275
>>96206768
they don't know what that is
Anonymous No.96212275 [Report] >>96212280
>>96212255
that thing in Blade Runner where detective asks series of curveball questions to determine whether the interrogated is replicant or real person
Anonymous No.96212280 [Report] >>96214726
>>96212275
That's the Voight-Kampff test, anon
Anonymous No.96212368 [Report] >>96212443
>>96205114
>if you tell them things like “sci fi and fantasy are the same”, or “magic and miracles are the same”, or “gods are aliens”, etc.
I think it has more to do with people getting tired of basic bitch subversions by reddit atheists who are allergic to anything divine and constantly feel the need to reinvent religion in gay little agnostic terminology.
No, the angels aren't just aliens. They're angels. Deal with it.
No, the demons aren't just misunderstood interdimensional beings. They're demons, and they hate all existence. Deal with it.
No, the gods aren't "sufficiently powerful mages" or "collective subconscious pyschopomps" or whatever. They're gods. Deal with it.

I'm so sick of smarmy fags trying to reinvent the wheel and ending up making the same exact gay reinvention as the last smarmy faggot who tried.
Anonymous No.96212443 [Report] >>96212516 >>96213851
>>96212368
>No, the angels aren't just aliens. They're angels. Deal with it.
>aren’t just
See, this is where you prove you’re a retarded person, since something being alien is a trait. What is alien is unfamiliar.

You don’t know what the word means as you hate the word too much. This is why humans are so easily controlled through semantics.
Anonymous No.96212516 [Report]
>>96212443
Way to prove his pot by being a smarmy fagolla about shit nobody cares about
Anonymous No.96213851 [Report] >>96213853
>>96212443
Nope, they're angels. Deal with it.
Anonymous No.96213853 [Report] >>96214102
>>96213851
You hate the word alien. You associate it with little green men way too hard.
Anonymous No.96214074 [Report] >>96214205
>>96208892
I don't want to say too much in case my players are lurking, but the game's set in England, 1345, in a mid-sized village growing rich on the broadcloth trade. The village spans both sides of a river, connected by an old Roman bridge, and Old Town is built atop the ruins of a Roman fort. One season, the peasants in New Town (across the bridge) uncover a Roman ruin, purposely buried, with a stone slab instead of a door with the warning

CAVE
DOMINUS MUSCARUM
HIC SEPULTUS EST

carved into it. Against the warning of the local priest, the Steward (who's in charge because the Baron is off participating in the 100 Years War, along with most of the village's fighting-age men) orders "Beelzebub's Tomb" opened and searched for Roman treasure, releasing the something trapped inside.

I've based the aliens on botflies, though they're described as physically resembling scorpionflies (with it being an actual stinger instead of just a wonky penis) in that they sting and leave an egg inside. The egg hatches, the maggot assumes control over the host/incubator, and then it "hatches," shedding human skin and revealing itself as something resembling Brundlefly.
Anonymous No.96214102 [Report] >>96214174
>>96213853
And you hate the word angel because you associate it with your parents dragging you to church on Sunday.

They're angels. Deal with it.
Anonymous No.96214174 [Report] >>96214476 >>96214970 >>96219908
>>96214102
Nah. Aliens an be angelic. Even architecture can be angelic. You hate descriptions.
Anonymous No.96214205 [Report] >>96214572
>>96214074
>I've based the aliens on botflies, though they're described as physically resembling scorpionflies (with it being an actual stinger instead of just a wonky penis) in that they sting and leave an egg inside. The egg hatches, the maggot assumes control over the host/incubator, and then it "hatches," shedding human skin and revealing itself as something resembling Brundlefly.

Like a stingwing/bloatfly hybrid thing?
Anonymous No.96214207 [Report]
>shoehorning aliens into fantasy
peak midwittery
Anonymous No.96214476 [Report] >>96215002
>>96214174
>hurr nouns and adjectives are the same thing hurf durf
Anonymous No.96214526 [Report]
>>96194554
No he was Nienna's and getting his appointment as an Istari by Manwe anyway was the first reason Saruman was jealous of Gandalf. The second was Cirdain giving Gandalf his ring and the third was Galadriel's insistence that Gandalf lead the white council. Saruman only got the job because Gandalf doesn't want it.
Anonymous No.96214572 [Report] >>96224953
>>96214205
I guess, though that's not where my brain was at the time. I was thinking more xenomorph, and then my mind went to demonology and how the people of 1345 might respond to a parasitical alien swarm. The connection to Beelzebub, DOMINUS MUSCARUM seemed obvious from that point.
Anonymous No.96214726 [Report] >>96214976
>>96212280
I thought Voight Kampff was that book hitler wrote
Anonymous No.96214970 [Report] >>96215002
>>96214174
>Aliens an be angelic.
>so mad xhe can't even type coherent sentences anymore
They're angels. Deal with it.
Anonymous No.96214976 [Report] >>96215028
>>96214726
Definitely not, his had a "Mein" at the front
Anonymous No.96215002 [Report] >>96215133 >>96215414
>>96214476
>>96214970
Words/semantics overlap. Deal with it.
Anonymous No.96215028 [Report] >>96225687
>>96214976
Mein Kraft maybe? That name rings a bell.
Anonymous No.96215133 [Report]
>>96215002
Yeah, I can deal with you being a retard. Just stop making these threads if you can admit you are one.
Anonymous No.96215414 [Report]
>>96215002
Nope, they're angels. Deal with it.
Anonymous No.96215679 [Report] >>96219317
>>>/vg/533308283
Anonymous No.96219317 [Report] >>96219805
>>96215679
Gross
Anonymous No.96219805 [Report]
>>96219317
bitter
why gross
Anonymous No.96219857 [Report] >>96225630
>no they’re not aliens they’re angels
>no they’re not wizards they’re angels
>no they’re not wizards they’re clerics

I really, truly, hate these types of people.
Anonymous No.96219908 [Report] >>96227395
>>96214174
>Aliens can be angelic

The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Anonymous No.96224953 [Report]
>>96214572
I respect this dude's courage but he is absolutely going to die whether or not he kills the xenomorph
Anonymous No.96225630 [Report]
>>96219857
They're angels. Deal with it.
Anonymous No.96225687 [Report] >>96226872 >>96231589
>>96215028
No that's the 3d Terraria clone
I think it might be Heinz Kraft.
Anonymous No.96225876 [Report]
>>96187162
What is the functional difference?
Anonymous No.96226872 [Report]
>>96225687
Kraftwerk? I love those guys!
Anonymous No.96227395 [Report]
>>96219908
Based
Anonymous No.96231519 [Report] >>96231831
>>96185364
What the fuck were the blue wizards even doing in the east
Anonymous No.96231561 [Report]
>>96187633
>not wanting space ships
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimana

If a particular conception of fantasy is built in part on real world myths and legends then space ships have a place in them. They don't have to look like ayy lmaos saucers.
Anonymous No.96231589 [Report]
>>96225687
that's Heinz&Kohn, Geman gun manufacturers, best known for MP5 submachine gun and Kraut Space Magic assault rifle
Anonymous No.96231695 [Report] >>96231733
>>96195521
>It sounds like the Astrologers were a pre-Erdtree culture that lived on the snowy mountaintops where the Fire Giants used to live. They lived there because it had the clearest view to the stars, but they would also get "first dibs" on any meteorites or comets that came there way. It wasn't until a later point did the ritual culture advance enough that they could grab the attention of alien beings and summon them planet-side. Rennala is a descendant of this tribe.

Hold onto your butt, anon, cause you are close but it goes deeper:

At the top of each of the divine towers are enshrined meteorites: a larger one in the middle, and then surrounded with a ring of 8 smaller ones.
This pattern matches the pupils in the Fell God's eye, the fire god of the giants.
So they didn't just live in the mountains, they build those huge fuckoff towers that were only long after repurposed as sites of worship for contacting the greater will: the divine contact points for one god being used for a new one.
Anonymous No.96231733 [Report]
>>96231695
Tangentially related, what happened to that civilization that worshiped the Fell God is *fascinating* and informs a whole bunch of the rest of the weird shit you find throughout the Lands Between and even the DLC.

So lets talk about that weird shit:
Why is there cooled molten rock splashed on the side of the divine towers? It can't have just been an eruption of some kind, because the rock doesn't point towards a common source.
Why are there so many ruins that are perfectly preserved, but encased in rock? Extending out of the stone with no breaks? You see this with giant skeletons in Calid too.
Why are there so many underground areas?
Why would you make massive boats out of stone? Stone would make for a shitty boat on water...

...but you would need a boat made out of stone if you were trying to survive on a sea of *lava*.

Something happened in the ancient past of the Lands Between, which they knew was coming but could not prevent only survive. Meteor impacts in such a massive wave of them that they actually liquified the surface of the world. This has actually happened in Earth's distant geological past, long before life evolved. In Elden Ring, it happened after civilization had already arisen. And so their setting has a 'great flood' myth that happened to them that fucked up the surface of the world, burying everything in a sea of lava. The ruins are all intact because they were just filled with lava.

And the Great Tree (pre-Erdtree) worshipping civilization that you see records of in the ancient ruins arose in the aftermath, as the survivors had to seed new life in the world after the surface cooled enough for them to leave their stone ships or their underground bunkers.
Anonymous No.96231737 [Report] >>96231766
There's no reason you can't do aliens and space travel in a fantasy setting. Japan had stories about moon princesses and space wars a thousand years ago
Modern UFO lore might as well be fantasy, with Pleadians being angels or space elves
Anonymous No.96231766 [Report]
>>96231737
wait there's some weird autistic argument here about angels, nevermind
Anonymous No.96231831 [Report]
>>96231519