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>Bans
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>News
The 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:
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>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotation
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>Spoilers
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CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES
>Current meta, complete with deck lists
https://www.mtgtop8.com/
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/
>Build and share casual decks
https://deckstats.net/
https://tappedout.net/

CUBE RESOURCES
>Build and share Cubes
https://cubecobra.com/landing

CARD RESOURCES
>Search engines
https://scryfall.com/
https://mtg.wtf/
>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://www.makeplayingcards.com/
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM
>Play online for free
https://untap.in/
https://dr4ft.info/

>What is EDH?
https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1

>WotC's War Crimes
https://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)
https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)

>Previously
>>96211711

>TQ
what creature type you wish got more support?

>>96226942 (OP)
seal and walrus!

why do mtgtop8 and mtggoldfish have different meta numbers? Who is more reliable?

>>96226975
MTGTop8 has data from all paper tournaments that get submitted and has a limited selection of results from MTGO events. MTGGoldfish publishes lists from very few paper tournaments but has a full range of decklists from MTGO events up to the maximum info WotC permits to be published. Last year there was a period where ALL deck data was made available by Daybreak, and Wizards didn't like that so they froze decklist publishing for about a week then when it started again it had greatly reduced numbers. Not every 5-0 gets published and any placement lower than 32 for a challenge also doesn't get published. Preliminaries also don't get published anymore.

Your answer, bro?

>>96227007
Is there a big difference between mtgo and paper metagame? I'd imagine an eggs like deck would be played less online since you can't shortcut.

TQ:
Phyrexians, not that theyre a neglected tribe but I just love them

>TQ
skeletons

>Gay Bolas
>Gay Yawgie
>Green removal

We need MORE variants of the same card

I'm sure this won't lead to any kind of confusion

>>96227023
I flick your rock like 10 times then pass priority, maybe shock your elf to draw out the counter hoping you only have one, depends what I got in hand

>>96227023
I cast this on turn 2 and watch you concede

>>96226942 (OP)
>>TQ
>what creature type you wish got more support?
Hellions, those worms looks funny

Kona + Any station land + Omniscience = New turn 4 Omniscience combo.

Currently diamond on Arena with it but someone better could reach higher imo.

>>96227321
how many station lands do you need to run to make it consistent? I'm already out of wildcards after crafting strip mine and ancient tomb

>>96227321
Turn fou-

>>96227333
I think you'd want 4 green ones minimum, but probably 2-4 of your 2nd color which is almost certainly blue
In the first 10 cards its only 53/68/79% with 4/6/8 copies. If you cast a stock up and see 16 cards total, you'd have 72/86/93% with 4/6/8 copies.

I think 6 planets if the other ~18 lands in your deck enter untapped. Get too many planets and those taplands start to really hurt

Fifth draft and I finally got a 3-0. I love this set. Wizards knocked it out of the park just in time for me to hibernate for the rest of the year with all the UB slop.

>>96227093

>>96226942 (OP)
SEETHE
COPE
COPE

>TQ
Gargoyles

I had a dream that they released a new Theros set and there were Hades UB versions for some cards.
wotc hire me

>>96227451
The smartest suits

>search arena bo1 queue
>i'm on kona deck
>opponent is on kona deck

well good job guys

>>96227451
Is there an actual difference in Spectacular and Amazing like tone or is it just the same thing twice?

>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7263057#paper
>nooo you can't just play 80 cards decks randomly this is not how mtg works!!!!
>t. anons
/tg/ doesn't know how to play mtg

>>96227654
luffy is a commie, I do not respect him

>>96227654
Brilliant choice to improve the turbo fog matchup

>>96227654
whats the thought process
there are two reasons I could see in pauper, either you think you're facing a lot of mill decks (?) or you wind up decking yourself with mass card draw and need the buffer to win games more reliably

Now I don't think the former applies at all. Afaik the only mill decks in pauper are infinite combos like high tide right?

>>96227670
On top of high tide there's also fogs decks that mill you out but that's irrelevant, I'm assuming he's playing 80 cards right now (ever since EoE came out and he has gotten a tons of 5-0 with that list already) because there's no reason not to, with 8x and + of ichor wellspring effects + and 9+ disputes you are still going to draw your whole deck, so no need to compromise on your build when you can quite literally just jam every OP card affinity has in pauper.

>>96227670
The thought process is might as well not have to choose which cards to run since the deck has so much draw and it gets to deal damage while drawing thanks to black mage's rod

>>96227654
why aren't you making money playing Pauper on MTGO all day?
why aren't I?

>>96227750
Because I don't live in a favela and the money from playing pauper is not that impressive here.

I'm starting to believe some Br is dating anon crush

all of my losses this run are to the same BR sorcery that gains control of all of my creatures to instakill me
that is not an okay effect for limited

>>96227951
It's ok for reddit upvotes and ebin commander moments and that's all that matters

>>96227959
they should have at least made it a mythic so I'd never have to lose back to back games where it's the only card in the set that could beat me

>the Warp haste black 2 drop can be replayed over and over again unless exiled.
Oh so we’re skipping Magic and going right into Pendulum Yugioh now

>>96227973
oh look
3 games in a row losing to the game gigabomb effect on turn 7
this is really funny WotC, really fucking funny
drafted a great deck too. didn't mean shit.

>>96227565
They're just different epithets Spidey's had. Spectacular doesn't tend to get used as much anymore, they've narrowed them down a bit (Peter is now more exclusively Amazing, Miles is Ultimate, that's often how they differentiate the two).

>>96227982
>>96227982
3. fucking. games. in. a. row.

>>96227093
Well, Sensational isn't Standard-legal.

nigger nigger nigger
>nigger nigger

>>96228002
It has never been more over. Fuck. This is the only stone in SPM meaning we are in for 2+ years of more Marvel junk.

>>96228002
this just goes into every single black deck with creatures as a 1-of since there is no downside
great job wotc

>>96228002
>lived long enough to watch Magic become this shit
JOTC really lurked for years in CCG threads and said “fuck it, we are the cringe custom card makers now”

>>96228026
has the irencrag gone in every deck?
90% of games it will just be a mana rock that can tap the same turn you play it

>>96228041
>has the irencrag gone in every deck?
are we comparing a mind stone that doesn't even draw a card to an indestructible charcoal diamond that reanimates a creature every turn as long as you take a turn off exiling a random creature? this card will singlehandedly win games that go late

>>96228059
did you read his second sentence?

>>96228041
>2 mana, comes in untapped so you can double spell on turn 2
>indestructible so it is protected against collateral damage from sweepers, incidental hate
>100% upside late-game payoff, even if decks that are not built to abuse it

They absolutely tailor-made this thing to be played. Primarily by EDH players, yes - but you will see this shit in other formats too. What an obnoxious card. And you can look forward to more of them, too!

>>96227073

>>96228067
did you read his first sentence?

>>96228002
Good old wizards, always 5 years behind the times. We just got the amogus card, in the next 5 years we're getting the horse girl racing set. But not before we get the 6 other mahvel sets with the remaining soulstones.

>>96228059
It doesn't reanimate creature every turn until you jump through the insane hoop of having EIGHT mana on board AND exiling a creature you control AND surviving to your untap step just to replace one creature at a time
You can get a FREE 7 mana virtue of persistence stapled to your -3/-3 removal spell with gain 2 life

The irencrag actually has a relevant ability, it becomes an equipment that only costs 3 to equip, and unlike the soulstone it doesn't need to tap for both sides so it can pay for its own equip cost

>>96228002
I wanted to make a joke about using the Soul Stone to sacrifice Gollum to bring back Sephiroth and then equipping him with a baseball bat, but it just depressed me instead.

>>96228002
...So is Infinity Stone another Time Lord situation, or are Infinity and Stone separate types. Maro's gone on record saying he thinks Time Lord was a mistake but it's not his call to make I guess.

>>96228101
>having EIGHT mana
>The irencrag actually has a relevant ability
>so it can pay for its own equip cost
you're trolling me right

>>96228129
Who gives a literal shit about anything Maro says anymore? He has also gone on record that they would never reprint anything on the reserved list even with different backs / treatments. He defends companion as a mechanic.

Anyone who is giving him any credence at all in 2025 is beyond the pale.

>>96227023
>>96227321
>>96227336
Ah yes. Abuelo's Awakening, a white card that had been in standard for well over a year before Foundations, is proven to never have been the problem. It was always Omniscience which was the problem.

Whenever JotC bans a white cards it is ALWAYS the case that a non-white card is the real problem or it is an arbitrary ban because there is jewish over-representation in their design team.
>Felidar Unicorn
The problem was a BLUE/RED PLANEWALKER CARD
>crusade
>cleanse
>jihad
Jotc banned these in Legacy because they are white cards. Not because they are overpowered or gamebreaking.

Any example of a white card ban is because it's used in some combo with a NON-WHITE card and the white card is ALWAYS replaced by some other card while the problem in the format remains unbanned.

>>96226942 (OP)
I will not purchase a single Spiderman card, I will never play with one either. If I win a Spiderman card, I will rip it

>>96228147
I've activated the irencrag in a lot of decks, its actually really handy if you draw a second copy and now you can use them both for value instead of being locked out by the legend rule.
Making Yuna into a 6/8 lifelink is absolutely fine and relevant, and it can tap for mana, then turn into an equipment, then equip all on same turn

The Soul Stone needs you to hit 8 fucking mana on board to do anything besides being a mana rock. You need 7 lands + soul stone. And sac a creature. And you don't get sac benefits, no death triggers or recursion, its fucking exiled. You can then reanimate shit, but NOT the one you exiled. And only after surviving to another upkeep while tapped out. And only one at a time, so the first one might just replace the creature you lost.
There was a point where wizards correctly identified that Debtor's Knell is such a shit card and unusable in 90% of games that you can actually give it to someone as a free card draw and it doesn't really mean anything

>>96228002
It really should have been the Reality Stone. Not even for a legitimate reason; but just so they could have done the MvC meme of Web Ball/Reality Stone

>>96228172
holy based

>>96228175
We might get two in this set, two in another Marvel set, and the final two and the Gauntlet in a third one.

>>96228159
I mean he’s always been a lying shifty kike and his new opinions of TALL ASK and “For too long Fantasy, as a genre” have just completed his legacy as a mentally disconnected retard

>>96223802
Where did you get that pic from? He's been my commander for ages.

>>96228161
Unironically this. Blue, Red and Black are always the problem

>>96228159
If anything they need to get rid of the reserved list and start printing gaia's cradles, mox diamonds, and so on to drive down their singles prices.
>b-but muh collectors
A magic card should cost no more than $20 and that should be only after several years

>>96228147
What's wrong with what he said?

just got killed on turn 3 by someone with 2x hemosymbic mites, 2 pump spells and burn together
it turned them into a 15/15 and 8/8

HOW
FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD
HOW IN FUCKING SATAN'S PROLAPSED FLAMING ASSHOLE

HOW
THE FUCK
IS CUTTER
STILL LEGAL
IN PIONEER

>>96228238
I mean, they will eventually. M30 proved it. Personally I don't think they should be beholden to the RL at all, I was just stating that you can't listen to a single thing Maro says as it will flip flop as soon as the company decides it will do it.

>>96228260
who the fuck cares about pioneer at this point its UB slop just like every other format

>>96228260
Anon, it's 2025, Pioneer does not exist.

>>96228262
Technically m30's not even tournament legal. They have a completely different back. It would be like making an oversized black lotus. Not tournament legal. It's an overpriced proxy just like the gold bordered cards.

>>96228260
who cares about a made up format? lol

SOME OF YOU ARENA PLAYERS ARE ALRIGHT
THE REST OF YOU
THE ONES PLAYING SYNTHESIZER

YOU DESERVE THIS

>>96227073
i would be ok if they at least good looking cards
>down sindrome miles
>ONLY OK LOOKING CARD
>asian? feminized bald
>just play ugly

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Embrace tradition.
Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>96228313
Pretty sure the first one is lifted directly from one of the comics. Or it's a comic artist at least.

I absolutely can’t stand Rhystic Studies. Some of the most pompous and all sizzle no steak videos I think I’ve ever watched in my life. Both the Dan Dan and 100 Ornithopters videos are just him shamelessly mooching off of far more inventive and creative people and contributing absolutely nothing to the insight or discussion of the phenomenon of fan formats. Even his lore videos are just pompous shit. I refuse to believe he was wowed by the completely banal flavor text of pic rel no matter how much he pretends to be. He’s the content creator equivalent of pouring cheap liquor in a fancy bottle, or those yuppie restaurants that bring out the steak in a briefcase with strobes and rave music. All just so he can line his pockets with that sweet sweet cardkingdom promo

>>96228403
>I absolutely can’t stand Rhystic Studies.
Imagine being as tryhard as him for a subculture as shit and lame as MTG lol.
At least pick something cool to like model trains or HAM radio.

>>96228342
>discards hand

>>96228427
Based Tog poster with one-turn lethal damage.

>>96228002
It only makes me wonder what will it be in the Universes Within.
I think new Whip.

>opponent very clearly holds back a lightning strike / helix when he attacks in with slickshot showoff but 2 mana open and has priority but doesn't cast anything
>he's seen my planet lands and is holding up removal for kona
>I flash in lost in the maze on his end step
>he hovers his cursor over it and reads it
its the moments like that
poor guy

>>96228427
I block with Llanowar Elves

>>96228344
then its a shitty comic artist

>>96228487
Its a problem for them because its a megacycle that will take place on multiple planes, and we know SPM will be on New Capenna but don't know where Avatar / etc will be (Tarkir?), and they are going to have 5 of these legendary stones AND they have to use the same "Legendary Artifact - Infinity Stone"

can't just call it a whip
My guess is they try are phoning this shit in so hard they go with the obvious gemstone route and its just

>Infinity Jet
>Infinity Emerald
>Infinity Ruby
>Infinity Pearl
>Infinity Sapphire

>>96227093
Don't worry they will have compleatly different original art and names.

On Arena

>>96228216
Karl Maraxus was not that fit, I am sick of all this leftist propaganda

>>96228070
>indestructible so it is protected against collateral damage from sweepers
Nigger it's a mana rock, Wrath fo God won't touch it

>>96228543
aaaaaa I didn't notice the niggertype

REPRINT THE RESERVED LIST
MAKE IT TOURNAMENT LEGAL
TOTAL
INVESTOR
DEATH

>>96228590
>local anon hasn't been paying attention to the wording on recent sweepers

Its ok anon, we know you don't actually play the game. You just come here to shitpost.

>>96228590
>>96228070
ur both wrong in a way

sweepers/incidental hate DO hit mana rocks
and indestructible doesn't actually stop it anyway

>yeeted away by temporary lockdown
>yeeted away by pinnacle starcage

>>96227023
Im sad I dont have the wilds to build this and can only goldfish:(

Seems like its going well fellow brewing anon

>>96228671
79% winrate so far

>>96228643
WITH OLD BORDERS AND ORIGINAL ART
NO NU-BORDERS AND NO NU-ART
MAGIC CARDS SHOULD LOOK LIKE MAGIC CARDS NOT LIKE POKEMON CARDS

>>96228002
I wanna die... How this game turned to be so shitty?

>>96228759
EDH is ever growing.

Had my first fuck up draft, 2-3. Left pack 1 with 2 biomechan engineers so I thought that would be my lane but I saw fuck all in green, my blue was acceptable but nothing special, ended with some slow low removal low card advantage Sultai deck and I got run over by decks with 2 drops and the last game for that card that makes slivers.

>>96228759
you didnt gatekeep

Cosmo and Wanda, I wish WotC never designed cards with EDH in mind

>>96228799
Best we can do is an EDH focused Fairly Odd Parents UB set.

>>96228311
exorcise is fucking awesome, love that card

The idea of the marvel stones looks like something that probably hits hard with its target audience. The elemental crystals from Final Fantasy, now that was shit.

>>96228798
The gate was always wide open and welcoming. But the powers that be decided that they will make money if there's no gate at all.

Farewell should be reprinted at 4 mana and it would be completely fair compared to all the bullshit in every other color

>>96227670
The thought process is
>"I wanted to flex lol"
That's it.
Source? I asked him. Like you can talk to Luffy he isn't an insufferable schitzo.

>>96227073
>We need more dull African faces.
No we don't, we need spider man and cool art. Not ideological statements

>>96228899
What statement this might be?

could they do waframe UB? there's less than a 100 of them and I think FIN had over 100 legendaries not counting commander decks

EOE draft is a lot worse than FF. It's very unbalanced, Green is way better than everything else. Black is also good

>>96228902
The statement of "black people", apparently.

>>96228934
Isn't Miles Morales like more than a decade old character by now?

>>96228978
2011 he originated.

>>96228161
Abuelo's isn't a White card. It's Fake White. There still has been 0(zero) actual White cards banned in 8 years and 0(zero) playable actual White decks in that entire time.

>>96228978
No one liked Miles until the Spiderverse movie turned out good and then he fell right back off when the second one turned out shit.

>>96229006
Name a single real white card banned in any format.
Spoiler: The initiative makes a card not even a magic card.
Enjoy~

Miles is such a pushed shit character, for over a decade marvel pretended BLADE didn't exist because they lost the right to make movies to lions gate
Blade would be a much cooler set with vampos and all instead of this spider shitfest

This shit is so garbage i think i will skip this whole set or play on Arena where they don't have to endure this slop

>>96229034
Name a single PLAYABLE real White card in any format.
>inb4 nothing but Fake White replies

>>96229072
Name a single legal real white card in any format.
You can't. It's not possible.

>>96229083
Savannah Lions

>>96229072
Eph-
>Fake white used in U decks
Ocelot p-
>Fake white nuslop
Phe-
>Fake white blink slop to abuse nonwhite etbs
Clari-
>Used in UB cuckmander non-magic non-white (game) non-white (out of game) sloppa

TASKETE WHITE MASTER!!! I KNEEL!!!
PREMODERN BVLLZ WON!!

>>96229072
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7266263#paper
Those.

>>96229093
Wrong, they made it illegal to be white

>>96229110
>Blinkslop to abuse non-white ETBs
Not white.
Premodern gods win again, we are simply better mentally, sexually, physiologically, ethnologically and at magic, simply put, us premodern GODS own this thread.

>>96229083
turn 0 leyline of hope leyline of hope
turn 1 hinterland sanctifier
turn 2 hinterland sanctifier gain 3 life, leonin vanguard gain 9 life

>>96229119
No, it's wrong because power greater than toughness isn't White

>>96229138
>cards from the 2000s
not white

I'll list viable tier lists in magic that are white decks
>Landstill
>The Solution
>Cycling Control
>Replenish
>UW Tron
>Junk
>BW control
>Deadguy ale
>White Weenie
>Terrageddon
>Enchantress
>TideControl
>The Deck
>White Weenie
>Ernhmangeddon
>Patriot aggro
>Patriot Skies
>Tax Edge
>Pink Robot
>Rukh Valley
>Tax Aggro
>Skies.dek


Notice something about this list of the only viable white decks in mtg?
Yup! Only 2 formats are represented, Old School and Premodern.
Go ahead, guess why!

>>96229138
>Leyline
Free spell bullshit. Fake White.

Anyone know some creatures that deal extra damage when they hit a player? Not because of double strike or +X pump effects, just straight up "when this damages a player, they take X damage"

>>96229179
>formats that have three or more vowels
nonwhite formats

>>96229110
I could see tragic trajectory and cryogen relic being passable here but man does it feel like the ratios are off between bounce and etb, and no loops whatsoever unlike the old talent + town combo
spending mana on stock ups slows your loop down and its not like you can use it to dig for a big splashy spell like control or combo decks do
without stock ups there aren't anything but 3 trajectories to find with talent so it NEEDS instant/sorceries
but then you've got this awkward mix of

>10 self-bounce effects
>15 etb triggers of which 5 have no board impact just map/draw
>11 spells that don't fill either role

so won't be hard to have a hand where you have 2 etb triggers, 1 bounce, 2 spells. You get a single extra etb trigger cast, otherwise you're just playing on-rate effects

>>96229179
Because premodern and old school are both pre nu slop and thus actually good wholesome pro-white magic.
YUUUUUP!

>>96229199
Cryogen is actually not great is the real truth nuke.

>>96229199
>etb triggers
Fake white.

>>96229185
Several creatures have the 'player lose half their life' clause

Unstoppable Slasher is a 3 turn clock, it hits for 11, 6 and 3 damage and getting even 1 hit in usually means the game is over

>>96228798
The onus shouldn’t be on players to “gatekeep.” This has always been a retarded argument. The only effective way that individuals generally “gatekeep” is by being immensely rude or offputting to outsiders (already an organic trait of most people at an LGS). What would trying to “gatekeep” something like magic at the individual level even look like in practice? Are you pulling Machiavellian stunts to ensure that anyone in a 30 mile radius who you find personally annoying never gets into magic? Even if you pulled that off wizards is gonna keep trying to appeal to them anyway.

kona decklist doko

>2024's Soulful set: Bloomburrow
>2025's Soulful set: Avatar

>>96229215
Enters triggers.

>>96229231
Perfect example thanks. Wouldn't the extra damage trigger after damage is dealt? So 9, then 4

>>96229185
The ring tempts you level 4 I think does that.

>>96229239
You figure out your own mix of interaction, protection, draw, I'd probably go for more uthros less evendo because lost in the maze needs 2 blue pips

You could for example just have a 1-of Sagu Wildling or Veloheart Bike and use them to gain infinite life. Or use 1-of overlord to burn opponent out. Or just not use any finisher except bounce all their stuff and stuff your hand with counterspells
I optimized for actually setting a 99.99% reliable winning game state in as few loops as possible
This can still potentially lose to a giant hexproof/ward threat, or emblem, or being milled to 0 cards this turn and can't untap, or they topdeck the one instant speed sweeper in the format

>>96229242
idk man, allies kinda suck so there's a lot of pressure on the bending cards being not shit

>>96229253
Yes, but add the +2 from its hit
opponents life total goes

t4: 20->18->9
t5: 9->7->3
t6: 3->1->0

>>96229284
Oh right yeah

>>96228002

>>96228002

>spiderman is universe's within on arena
>we are saved from le marvel slop

>>96229361
Yeah, like I said. Keep fingers crossed that it's kino and people proxy the fuck out of their paper marvel shit with in universe equivalents.
Only good can come out of this, if it happens.

>>96228002
now the question is...
will they drop all the stones + gauntlet in the Spiderman set

or are we in for the long haul

>>96229393
That's for the future. For the Avengers UB that wll come.

>>96229393
the implication that they're doing more marvel sets means there will also be more fuckery with arena and mtgo releases. they actually thought it would be a good idea to go through this clusterfuck not once, but several times.

>>96228002
>>96229345

>>96229560
well it’s nice to have a safe haven… kinda excited to see what they come up with for the alt flavor, prob gonna be very jank and underfunded

can someone give me the qrd for the Wanderer?
seemed like it was being built up for a long time but I didnt really care enough to read about it.

>>96229776
>can someone give me the qrd for the Wanderer?
Literal who that did some stuff. Who cards, story's shit.

>>96229824
There was supposed to be some big reveal or something idk

>>96229837
>There was supposed to be some big reveal or something idk
Something or other. Who fucking cares, it would have sucked like the rest everything to do with MTG.

>>96229853
I dont disagree
but I also want to know

>>96229776
She's the ruler of Kamigawa, which has some sort of tradition that they can't reveal their name or some bullshit. Her gimmick is that her spark was damaged or something like that, so instead of focusing to planeswalk she had to focus in order to not planeswalk randomly. Hence why she's called the wanderer. They tried healing her with some chip thing in nuKamigawa, but the phyrexians got it instead and used it to compleat planeswalkers. That's it, she didn't do much. Now she's not even a planeswalker, like all the other literal whos.

>>96229776
She's from Kamigawa of the future. She was warping between planes because her spark was unstable.
People though she's gonna be Emrakul for a while.

>>96229895
wow lol

that's a nice board you have there...

>images.jpg (12 KB, 190x265)

I usually use scryfall to look for cards but I noticed you can't really find what drops secret lairs come from easily? am I retarded?
sometimes I'd like to see how bad things can get

>>96229776
Wanderer: "Tamiyo this macguffin is important don't lose it!"
Tamiyo: "I'm going to chase after Jin- Ahhh!!! Oh no he's raping me and got the macguffin I was holding onto!!! How could this happen when I did everything right?"
Wanderer: "Your punishment is death."
Tamiyo: "No please! I might be Jin's rapeslave but if you wait a few more sets all the compleated characters will get better!"
Wanderer: "Yes, but this story needs a character death in the middle so we can pretend there were real stakes. Don't worry, we're still gonna milk you on cards for several years even though you're dead lol."

>>96229964
Brother your ctrl+f?

>>96229967
a daring synthesis.

>>96229985
I want to be able to search for the sets without having to know whats in them, ya know, like the point of searching. theres like 1000 secret lairs at this point its getting hard to navigate
Also I didnt know the text on the image itself is searchable thats pretty neat.

>>96230002
https://scryfall.com/sets/sld
?

>>96229060
I was considered playing this set on arena if the universes within was good enough, but honestly, at this point, with all the cringe cards I've seen, the universes within variant has no fucking chance.

It could have worked for something like Avatar, but this set is beyond saving. It goes beyond UB slop. This is UB slop + hat set times 30

>control still dogshit after rotation
Fine fine, ill play Bx goodstuff pile, it basically is control anyway but better draw, aggression, sustain, etc

>>96230011
wow a list of 1000 secret lairs with no reasonable way to navigate them.

>>96230030
control is now a pure distilled deck with jidoor, rupture and only 2x riverchurn monuments so it can be absolutely fucking dedicated to hard control

its GREAT

>>96230067
Interesting. Not eveb marang regent?

>>96229072
Battle screech

>>96229993
Where's the lie though?

>>96230158
threats are for pussies
you might play something like beza in 3 colors

>>96230205
there isn't one. i was being genuine.

>>96229985
Tbf I wish scryfall would split them up by year because the page is way too long at this point

>>96229967
Remember that anon who drew breast expansion compleated Tamiyo lovingly kissing Jin’s oil soaked cock?

>>96228002
>Hurr durr, Spoderman set go to zero. Why? Because it just will, okay?!
Based Mark Rosewater straight dabbing on /mtg/ and other drooling retards.

Enchantments have:
>plain old enchantments with effects
>curses
>sagas
>flip sagas that turn into creatures or other way around
>rooms
>more I'm probably forgetting

Artifacts have:
>mana rocks
>vehicles lol
>stations lol
>gay tockens

Are enchantments simply the better card type?

>>96230342
No, please share it.

>>96230472
Mods pls don’t hit me
(I don’t have the earlier compleation with breast expansion saved sadly)
On the same note does anyone remember when 4 draw days drew Thalia talking about fucking griselbrand just to mess with Thalia fag before he went normie and all of MTG Twitter learned about him

>>96228521
Pichelli is great and drew amazing shota for the first arc of Miles run in Ult, but her faces look weird at times.

I actually can't cope with how Marvel cringe is being added to this legendary game. I don't think I ever had a problem with any sets before, even FF fit the theming well enough, but I can't get over fucking superhero shit.

What's next, are they gonna do a Beyonce and celebrity set with Oprah planeswalkers? Has there ever been an idea so cringe and such a left turn from its original concept than fucking Spider-man in this game?

>>96230501
FF was pretty lame too, they could have went for the illustrated style of art associated with the series but instead just went for generic animeslop

>>96230449
>affinity
>artifact lands
>sacrifice staple mechanics (treasure, blood, food, lander, map)
>easier, more accessible mana costs (also makes it necessary to make them less powerful since they fit in literally any deck)

That being said, all my decks are mainly enchantment decks and I understand they are the superior card type. Most colors can't even respond to enchantments and if they do they are terrible cost/benefit cards that rarely people will want to slot into their decks.

>>96230501
>>96230528
>UB bad
>Spiderman bad
>FF bad
>Collector boxes bad
>Magic bad
EVERY THING SUCKS!!!1!

>>96230592
Gay Bolas good

>>96230592
the guy in your gif is brazilian btw

>>96230501
I don't really feel like Final Fantasy was any better to be quite honest. D&D would have been acceptable if they had put some effort in to distinguish it from regular Magic, but they didn't. It would ALL be tolerable if they were kept out of standard so there was a TRVE and HONEST way to play Magic without seeing crossover slop.

>>96228902
forced diversity by Marvel/Disney jews

>>96230592
>different people dislike different things
Sorry we can't all be slop enjoyers like you, fag. Go take inventory of your funkopop collection if this thread hurt your feelings

>>96230449
Enchantments have
>static effects
>triggers

Artifacts have
>static effects
>triggers
>activated abilities
>creatures as an evergreen mechanic

>>96229837
At the time they didn't actually have any real ideas for who the Wanderer was beyond "cool wandering swordswoman". By Neon Dynasty they settled on her being Kamigawa's emperor, though an absentee one due to her issue with planeswalking. That's really it.

>>96230769
>enchantments have
>>activated abilities

>>96230481
I miss Thalia fapper
>>96230501
The Hero and Villain types are fucking parasitics and the designer who gave that Idea should be fired.

>>96230769
>enchantments have
>>activated abilities
Should I keep posting them?

>>96230769
>Enchantments have
>>creatures as an evergreen mechanic
My autism must go on.

>>96230769
>Enchantments have
>>creatures as an evergreen mechanic

What should happen for this shit of game to be saved?

>>96231125
Televised ritual suicide of all WotC executives.

>>96231125
Is too late. Peter Porker will be in the game forever, Guy in a Chair will be in the game forever, Aunt May will be in the game forever.

There is no comeback.

>>96231144
Not on Arena. On Arena it will be new Domri.

>EoE just came out and it's kino
>DURRRRRR HOW CAN WE SAVE THIS SHIT GAME?

>>96231125
start work on a theoretically perfect format

>>96231293
define "kino" faggot.

>>96231332
What I like.

>>96231333
then according to me was garbage. what now?

>>96231340
Yes but the difference is I have good taste and you have shit taste.

>>96231347
my taste>your taste
considering you like eoe i think i win.

>>96231365
Nah I'm nta I'm just chiming in without knowing any context.

>>96228002
WotC had said that two-mana-tap-for-one rocks like Mindstone were too powerful, and they were moving to rocks with that cost and effect that also come into play tapped, like Ebony Fly, or that cost three and had some fringe benefit, like Cursed Mirror.
But I guess they decided the Infinity Stones just really had to be pushed

Numbers are in and EOE is the fastest selling set after FIN

>>96231394
its been legal and nobody plays it
You actually get retards who look at it and insist your creature 'loses all abilities' because they misread it and don't understand how it works because they've never seen it used
that's how great mind stones are right now

What does NTA mean

>>96231409
not that anon
not that asshole

>>96230628
AFR is so quaint in retrospect.

>>96231406
The stone is infinitely better than this in black decks desu. Invincibility is highly relevant.

>>96231424
The only shit that ever actually hits your 2 mana rocks is sweepers like lockdown, starcage, ultima, ruinous rampage
nobody will bother targeting it with removal and if they did half the cards exile it

>>96231406
I play it in pioneer eldrazi.

>>96231144
there is... another

>>96231406
I can't even begin to explain to you why producing coloured mana is infinitely more powerful than colourless - and that is just the first of many differences between the two.

>>96228002
>>96228002

MCU cards with no rules text.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA

>>96231396
Seriously? Now we just have to make Spooderman and Fagatar sets flop and this game will still have hope.

>>96228403
Clearly you don't hold soirées discussing the intricacies of Pac-Man.

>>96229393
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdbDet5Le7k
It's implied.

EOE draft sucks, I miss FIN...

>>96231394
Mind stone isn't Legendary and it's secondary effect is more useful.

>>96231444
I'm not talking about standard because I don't play shit formats.

>>96231531
I've never heard Nosewater talk before this video. I had no idea he sounded like... that

SYBAU
W
Instant
Exile target creature with 2 or more abilities

>>96228002
I wonder if each stone will help fuel each other.

I've been in the EoE draft queue for 2 hours now on MTGO

>>96231553
Like a nerd? A geek? A sniveling pansy? Vnwxt?

>>96231594
That specific schlubby old nerd inflection. I kind of imagined him having a deeper and more Machiavellian voice.

>>96231590
>drafting on MTGO
why

>>96228002
Every day blue becomes more and more of a hero that the game needs but isn't willing to accept as WotC keeps printing shit with Ward/Indestructible.

>>96231641
What else am I gonna do? Draft on arena?

>>96231660
Yeah, it has player drafts now. Nobody plays draft or standard formats on mtgo anymore.

>>96231667
It's had player drafts for years. I'm just not gonna pay real money or grind dailies to play fucking draft.
I also pulled tezzeret in the sealed pod on MTGO and immediately sold him for a profit which you can't do on arena. Unfortunately they jacked up the set redemption price like crazy so there's not really a profit for higher commander demand on paper anymore. I remember making a pretty penny redeeming NEO sets.

>>96231667
>or standard formats on mtgo anymore
not sure if you're just being hyperbolic here, where do you think challenge data comes from?

>>96228002
How long until abrade but exile?

>>96231753
Negative three months

abrade but it can destroy enchantments too pls

>>96231784
we were almost there, this would've been so fucking kino at instant speed

>>96231792
Definitely would have been a great tool. why do they insist on putting sorcery speed on fucking everything that doesn't need to be.

>>96228002
Wait what's the big deal
This is just an arcane signet sidegrade

>>96231759
Thanks, slotting now.

>>96231753
>>96231784

>>96231784

>>96231855
Got a lot of mileage out of picrel when that stupid creativity combo was dominating pioneer. I kept telling people it could only exist because of the glaring lack of instant speed exiles common in the meta. Literally silver bullet the entire combo for 2.

Is Edge of Eternites a flop or not?

>>96231866
Who cares.

>Spiderman set has an Infinity Stone
>Which means more Marvel slop is in the works
I'm hoping and praying to God the Spiderman set flops because if it's a big success, it's fucking over.

>>96231759
>>96231848
Sorcery speed

>>96231866
it's alright

>>96231869
>Which means more Marvel slop is in the works
they said it way back in 2023, there are multiple marvel sets in the pipeline, we have at least another 3 or 4 sets to go

>>96231868
Me, I want shit not Magic or Fantasy to bomb.

>>96231881
Don't invest your ego in things that don't matter.
Laugh at it, but don't get invested.

>>96231881
In a more just world we'd be getting a discworld UB instead of marvel slop but then people who don't actually read fantasy books would realize that Ravnica is just an unfunny clone of Ankh-Morpork

>>96231870
Not like instant speed is going to matter for a mana rock.

>>96231865
What combo? What were you exiling?

>>96231866
It's doing 'very well', according to Maro, but that's a nebulous thing. He's usually not liable to outright lie about how well a set is selling though, rather he'll just say it's 'meeting expectations' if it's not doing great.

>>96231879
Then I hope all of them become a fucking failure.

By the by, confirmation that Infinity and Stone are separate types, not another two-word one. Probably gonna have something like the Infinity Gauntlet being an Infinity Equipment. Stone will probably show up precisely nowhere else.

>>96231942
Infinity Mountain Dew please

>>96231942
Infinity Time Lord Stone

>>96231895
The deck used creativity to cheese out Xenagos and Worldspine Wurm for an all but guaranteed lethal combat. The only reason this even worked was that at the time nobody was running instant speed exile in pioneer.

>>96231942
Stone seems more likely to show up with other Artifact types
Clue Stone as a callback to cluestones.
Blood Stone for a hematite.
Food Stone for the folktale about cooking a delicious soup with a single stone.
Treasure Stone makes sense.
Powerstone Stone fore the memes.

I have spoiler season fatigue

>>96232070
NEW SPOILER SEASON ALERT!!!

>>96228840
4 mana instant speed with split second and flashback and can be cast from exile and has Plainscycling (1) AND ALSO HAS Kicker (2) 'replace every instance of All with All Opponents' and also it says 'Kyle loses the game FUCK YOU KYLE'

>>96232038
Now they use Atraxa and Valgavoth so it wouldn't work

>>96232070
Commander is there waiting for you, buddy.

>>96232098
Because busted ETBs and ward are mistakes, kiddos.
But who's even playing creativity still? I saw it dropped to a bulk rare.

Are the MTG stocks weekly winners AI generated? None of this is why spike cannibal is spiking. It's spiking because one guy is buying every single copy lol.
Also, every single entry follows a buzzfeed headline style: [blank] is [blanking] now, and it's not hard to see why!

>>96232182
It's fairly common on the arena ladder

>>96232228
>Are the MTG stocks weekly winners AI generated?
Everything is, anon.

>>96232256
Even you?
E-...even,,, m-me?!

>>96232268
What do you mean you?
Anon, you make ever post. All the posts on this forum are just one person's multiple personalities.
You're here forever.

Commander shit is ruining this game.

>>96232277
You jest but this is basically the ending of I Am a Hero

been doing some random drafts recently on xmage and goddamn it really hits you like a ton of bricks how low the powerlevel is on modern pre-FIRE sets

>>96232292
>been doing some random drafts recently on xmage and goddamn it really hits you like a ton of bricks how low the powerlevel is on modern pre-FIRE sets
Wrong.

The power of post-FIRE sets is broken.
The power of pre-FIRE sets was correct, not low.

>>96232300
Unban Git Probe and Mental Misstep

>>96232300
at least pre modern sets have cool insanely broken cards to looks forward to opening, the begging of modern has some really stinky sets where the whole pack has nothing worth taking

https://youtu.be/HdbDet5Le7k

this video makes me wanna vomit

Presented without comment.

>>96232332
>MARO parades himself out in his spider shirt, a modern day prostitute wearing her call girl garb before he shift on the corner
>uses the lispiest, limp-wristedest voice I've ever heard come out of a grown man
jesus, make it stop

the spider-man set is so bland and flavorless
what a travesty

>>96232363
if it true i hope they are going crazy with it

https://duelmasters.fandom.com/wiki/Batorai_Edge,_Blazing_Sword

>>96232363
are they seriously gonna using the thousands number instead converting it into single digit

>>96232476
Look at the date of that post

man EoE Limited is so much harder than FF was, wtf is this shit

>>96232480
That's not surprising, FF was extremely simple

>>96232479
man... if only

I’m so tired of this UB slop is unreal and what’s worse we still have shitty Aang universe in the way and three more next year.


Has to bankrupt can’t come soon enough

>>96232559
>Has to
gonna keep crying about this shit on your phone every day you little underaged faggot?
wah wah the slop the slop look at me do I fit in with the other teenagers on social media yet lmao

>>96232592
I see you are a man of culture, a slop consoomer, a garbage eater, a shit slurper , hell probably even a Cummander enjoyer. Keep trying hard to defend JOTC, Sis! Mark appreciate your efforts, someday every faggot playing this will be a drone like you!

What are some rarely played cards that go into a Mono-White Voltron deck (commander)?

>>96231406
I like the irencrag, but I'm not saying that in reference to the current conversation, I just think it's fun to use

Damn, I forgot how long it takes to order cards. Guess I'm not playing standard for at least 2 weeks, possibly 3.

all 3 people to my right were forcing green this draft
this fucking sucks I wanna play the busted colour

>>96232480
Yeah because FF was a good draft. EOE sucks dick.

this draft set is such unbalanced miserable trash
if you're not in a seat that gets to play the good stuff you are absolutely fucked

>>96231531
>pay off
>expectations
oh god, they0re going to go full MCU

>>96231594
a fag

>>96232228
>is it the commander precon in the same theme as the card spiking???
>NO, it must be one guy buying every copy of a card not on the reserved list
Come on dummy

>>96232228
>Three mana try to hose one part of a specific deck
I find it hard to believe that Commander players are this bad at just running removal.

>>96231586
too cool for modern MTG to build a 7 card interaction

it will be a lame "if you control 6 activated stones + the gauntlet, you win "

>>96233276
You already know that's what the gauntlet will be.
If they're feeling extra spicy it will tutor them, or even more epic, not require them to be activated.

>>96232356
i don't get it

>>96233276
>>96233284
Gain control of target opponent

>>96231586
The Time Stone {1U}
Legendary Artifact - Infinity Stone (M)
Indestructible
{T}: Add {U}
{6}{U},{T}, skip your next turn: Harness The Time Stone. Activate only as a sorcery.
∞ - At the beginning of your upkeep, if this isn't an extra turn, take an extra turn after this one.

>>96233338
Not coomander focused enough.

>>96232228
lol I was going to buy these for 25 cents each at a small shop last week but decided it wasn't worth making them go find their EXO box

>play kona combo on arena
>go straight to mythic with over 80% winrate
>its day 2 of the month
>nobody in mythic
>3+ minute search times and keep facing same players
well fuck
guess my account is bricked for ranked play

>>96233462
Were you the guy cooking up the Simic Kona deck here over the last few weeks? Happy that it worked out for you bro. What'd you end up settling on as the win con?

>>96233492
I peeked at that guy's desk and read the bubbles he filled in

>Notices sets keep coming earlier and earlier with premium price tags attached to them
>...
Alright, I'll tell you why I hate Wizards of the Coast but I'll only tell you once. Wanna hear?

>>96233462
Was that you, by any chance?

>>96226942 (OP)
>Mac
I incorrectly thought it was Max for 30 years, it seems.

>>96230501
>What's next, are they gonna do a Beyonce and celebrity set with Oprah planeswalkers?
The only thing "legendary" with mtg is that it should stay in the past. The game is long dead and you only have yourself to blame if you keep playing this shitty weib schwarz lookalike

>>96231553
Oy vey! Stop it with the antisemitism

>>96231553
He sounds exactly like I imagined he would. A phlegmy jewish nerd.

>>96231612
>I kind of imagined him having a deeper and more Machiavellian voice.
lol, you're giving him way too much credit. He's just the enforcer and no big design decision has depended on him since the start of the Jacetice League era

>>96233301
>up to half of the remaining players, rounded down, lose the game

>>96231520
Give me 10 minutes. I could wax poetic about pac-man and blow rhystic out of the fucking water.

>>96231842
Anon…

>>96233338
The Answer {W}
Instant
Physically remove all jews from the JotC design staff
Split Second

>>96234208
Die Antwoord?

>>96233338
I feel like they're more likely to make the Time Stone let you do shit at instant speed or something. A free extra turn every turn is probably a splashy effect but it's also likely 'too much'.

>>96234261
>If you would lose the game, reset the game instead, except you start with the Time Gem already on the table
>The funny dr.Strange meme moment in the picture

>>96234252
DIE ANTWORT {W}
Augenblick
Entferne physisch alle Juden aus dem JotC Entwurf Mannschaft
Sekundenbruchteile

>>96234252
Creature - Human Ninja

Der Führer {WW}
Fabelwesen - Arier Mensch
Schutz vor Schwarz
Schutz vor Rot
Schutz vor Blau
Erstschlag
Betritt ein anderer Arier das Spielfeld, erhält er ebenfalls Schutz vor Schwarz, Rot und Blau, und, Erstschlag
2/2

>>96234543
Dies to killing itself.

>>96234582
Wrong. He is currently living with the Aryans in the Aldebaran star system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbmDdukx7gU
new aids just dropped

>>96234636
I want to try quantum riddler in a splash portal manifest dread deck because it gets empty handed so fast and naturally draws fucktons with it but man that's a lot of useless mythics

>>96232228
It's a new premodern shell.
Cannibal fling.

say it with me

FIVE
MORE
MCU
UB
SETS

>>96235816
put some mox diamonds in there to flex on poorfags

>>96236042
For now. But I'm sure coxberg and nasewasser will conjure up at least a few more.

>>96235816
Does this shit actually work?

>>96236042
what does this have to do with spiderman?

>>96236042
one each color and the last one addss ass mana?

>>96236042
When this will be stop?

I'm so tired of this constant slop, bros.
I'm so tired...

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS
BE PREPARED FOR NEXT YEAR 3 UB TRASH SETS INCLUDING… YES YOU ARE RIGHT MARVEL AGAIN!!!!

>>96236330
Infinity Stones, even if they're more strictly stuck in Cosmic-level Marvel shit, do tend to be broadly 'involved' in other Marvel areas. Admittedly Spidey's not had too many close interactions with them outside of the big events involving them, but it's more likely being done to spread them around the multiple Marvel sets (at an unclear ratio, possibly 1 for SPM and then 2 for the next and 3 for the last, if there's just three, but who knows).

>>96236317
Yes.
Blood Hound also works nicely with Sulfurous Springs and Primoridal Ooze drawback.

>>96236786
nothing, I know. it was a sarcastic question but thanks, chatgpt

What would replace innkeepers talent here now that liliana rotated? Its still a pretty good way to make the board lethal but its not -enough-

>>96237374

>>96235816
Post the full list for this?

>>96237396
... he posted 38 cards, presumably the other 22 are premodern legal rakdos lands

>>96237379
ah yes typical standard meta
21 1 drops
17 2 drops
22 lands
definitely a healthy format this is what deckbuilding should look like 3 mana cards don't even exist anymore lmao

>>96237532
That's just one deck anon, plenty of 3+ mana cards see play. Hell, people are building around some of them.

>>96237396
The most recent build my friend played on Mol is something like this.

>>96237909
This looks sweet. Have to try it out.

New thread.
>>96238574
>>96238574
>>96238574

>>96233462
list?