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Gothic is exciting

>>96232444
trips of truth confirm

>>96232444
I prefer it to Steiner-Davion Squared...

>>96232444
Honestly I like the visceral fleshy look. Battlemechs are already sorta half-organic anyways, they use muscle, they have an organic brain, they conform to a skeletal structure, they're difficult for electronics to track, and they typically evoke animalistic shapes.

>>96232444
It's better than them continuing to rape the past.

>>96232461
I think in the Gothic AU, BattleMechs are invented to counter the earlier development of Abominations

>>96232391
Yeah, but that's not enough reason to not use the king crab, fat bastard that he is. Probably the biggest flaw with the hex system is how it's a bad fit for things things with different shapes and profiles.

>>96232464
>continuing to rape the past
do what now?

>>96232482
This is why i print mine at 85-90%

>>96232482
It's certainly enough reason not to use catalyst's king crab. The OG crab overhangs a little, but it's feet aren't mostly off the hex.

>>96232486
They keep publishing "Historicals", and most of them retcon a bunch of stuff. Some of this is intentional to introduce new tech further back in the timeline because they think it's cool, but most of it is just Catalyst's non-existent fact checking.

>>96232482
>>96232501
Might as well toss the Scorpion out too since it hangs over in pretty much every iteration

>>96232511
Yeah, that's also annoying, but quads are rare enough it's not a huge deal. You can work with the occasional model not quite fitting the grid.
When every other mech that's heavier than 60 tons overflows, it's more of an issue.

I'm slightly interested in seeing the rules from this just to see if I can retrofit it into something more Pacific Rim style

>>96232643
It has mechs and monsters, so yes unless you want something more specific than that.

I want this.

>>96232656
And this.

>>96232661
Probably gonna get this too, if I'm honest. Just for the Jade Hawk

>>96232656
>>96232661
I'm honestly impressed by the new sculpts.
I tend to not like shimmy's work, but I think these are solid, especially the Akuma.
Still hate his dragon, tho.

>>96232669
I have the Kurita lances pre-ordered from way back
I want that Jade Hawk so bad though

Instant Action is in a good state. Map Campaign system seems fine. Paid design work is wrapping up. I need some new homebrew project to work on.

Whats everyone else homebrewing?

>>96232776
some new periphery states for an AU thing, completely remangled ship design system, cocktails, the usual

>>96232776
Nothing directly game-related, but I've been quietly working on some fanfiction where the Snow Ravens intercept the Outbound Light before they hit Huntress and manage to parlay that into a reserve slot. They're activated to help the Bears instead of the Vipers, and things go well from there. In the end, they end up withdrawing from the Homeworlds with the Bears, and the two Clans form some sort of joint occupation zone, with the two Clans "equal", though the Bears might be more equal than the Ravens. Hypothetically.

>>96232776
I'm smoking rhino pills and writing pornographic fanfiction

>>96232912
>>96232941
AU stuff never really does it for me because I can't even be assed to read all the canon stuff. In my mind, fanfiction is for filling in blanks in canon and I haven't even found all the blanks.

>>96232957
Are you having fun at least?

>>96232656
>>96232661
my kurita units definitely want them.

>>96232700
his dragon is so good i bought four lances of the pack it comes in just to run the classic dragon mono lance. that kurita LOVE running.

ARE the ACES decks going to be sold seperately too? they are literally all I want. the decks and the system.

>>96233060
You can probably find someone who just wants the minis to split the box with.

>>96233073
yeah, but i want to plop 12 v 12's on a table and automate the fight between them. so i can have cool dudes doing cool shit and journal/write up the fights narratively without my own biases interfering etc.

>>96233093
Just use megamek?

>>96233098
ewwww. hell naw. i want to use /mydudes/ and my opfor's etc i have collected and painted and move them around, physically. as offline, as off-tech as possible.

>>96233024
>In my mind, fanfiction is for filling in blanks in canon and I haven't even found all the blanks.
I suppose for me I look at certain bits of battletech history and especially the map of the periphery and I see the blanks that I want to fill in

>>96233024
>AU stuff never really does it for me because I can't even be assed to read all the canon stuff. In my mind, fanfiction is for filling in blanks in canon and I haven't even found all the blanks.

To each his own. I was thinking about the different approaches for hybrid states implemented by the Bears, the Ravens, and the other Clanners, and how the Bears and Ravens were both "nice" but very different, remembered that they were allegedly allies, and wanted to explore how it would work out in practice.

So far:
-The Bears are appalled at the Ravens' infighting.
-The Ravens are starting to learn from the Bears to do a little less infighting.
-The Raven Watch is proving surprisingly effective (because of their legacy of infighting).
-Each maintain their own capital, and largely maintain their own territory, but they've also started an experiment with joint government of a planet
-Focht, trying to use as many of his forces as possible, challenged the Ravens to a naval battle at Tukayyid. They defeated ComStar handily. Meanwhile, they also had an objective on the ground which they lost because the khans were busy in space so the two Galaxy Commanders on the ground spent the entire battle trying to sabotage each other more than actually assault the city they were supposed to take.
-There's a decent amount of Warriors serving exchange tours, but discussions of establishing an actual mixed unit remain very hypothetical.
-Every time the "Council of Khans" addresses local officials, people think it's hilarious how big the Bears are (neither is an Elemental, but both Bjorn Jorgenssen and Aletha Kabrinski were very large) and how small the Ravens are.

My "main character" is a Bear naval officer serving as an exchange officer on a Raven WarShip.

Branth car sex.

>>96233257
No.

>>96233299
Branth frenzy attack on combat vees.

A couple threads ago (or last thread?) someone asked for anime Natasha K. I found her when looking through some old images.

>>96233431
At least make her a redhead.

>>96232656
excited to make an mw4 lance with the hellspawn, thanatos, argus and now the chimera

>>96232776
I wouldn't necessarily say Instant Action is in a good state when the scenarios work better in Alpha Strike than Classic, but if you say it is then it must be

>>96233060
No, they don't plan to release the decks as a separate thing. I said they should release a "generic" pack and then add the boxes as standalone expansions but then that'd make sense and CGL don't like to make sense

>>96233582
I recently played one in AS, it did work really well

>>96233582
Alpha strike is irrelevant to everything.

>>96233635
Says the guy who made an Alpha Strike generic scenario book

>>96232444
I think Gothic sucks

>>96233676
You can use Instant Action for any game if you put in the same level of effort it takes to make it work with AS. The difference is if you use a game besides AS you might have fun.

>>96233715
That's the thing. It took less effort to use them in AS than it did for Classic. Which is crazy since they were made for Classic

>>96232444
>40k appeasement

>>96233722
That's because AS is a low effort game for troglodytes.

>>96233805
Well it's a good thing MCA seems to care enough about them to keep a scenario booklet updated for them

>>96233822
This is the weirdest and most specific attempt at trolling I've seen in fifteen years on 4chan.

>>96233834
And yet you felt the need to acknowledge the retard instead of just ignoring him

>>96233448
Natty K is a canon blonde

>>96233844
>Natty K is a canon blonde

Isn't it canon that she dyes her hair so much that no one really knows?

Certainly she has fiery red hair into her 70s, which is just possibly not natural.

>>96233863
I was going to say she was young (in 3015) so it might not have been dyed but she's actually in her 40s at that point so it likely is

Butte Hold?

>>96233863
>>96233873
>Natty K in anime
>has a new hair colour every other episode
Would be kino, ngl.

>>96233914
Butte status: Held.

>>96233601
fucking retards.
I literally just want to buy a bunch of aces decks. so i can build an AS lance and lance and lance, and throw them into fights vs another three lances.

here's hoping the goddam aces box comes with enough decks to at least run more than one kind of lance. direct, fire, battle, line etc.

>>96233844
If you ignore retards they will interpret that as you being unable to counter their argument, and will be emboldened to post more retarded drivel.

If you acknowledge the retards, they get a dopamine hit from the (you), and will be emboldened to post more retarded drivel.

Explain the win condition where the retards stop posting retarded things, please.

>>96233925
I hate that I now want this.

>>96234020
The win condition is that you don't waste your time arguing with a retard

Are there any ornithopters in Battletech? Like the ones from Dune.

What eras do you most commonly play in?

>>96234213
Late big succ to civil war.

>>96234206
None that I know of. But it should be fine to fluff a VTOL as an ornithopter. Hell, say it's done using myomer.

ornithopter is a funny word. It comes from Greek meaning "bird wing"

>>96234213
Last Invasion. 3055-3060ish. We did some Jihad but somehow it isn't fun if you're not doing scenarios.

>>96234020
>Explain the win condition where the retards stop posting retarded things, please.
There are two. 4chan dies, or you track them down IRL and unironically, genuinely, kill them. At this point I'm fine with either option.

Hi. I did a homebrew thing. I'm thinking it's probably too powerful but my fren wanted some of these numbers the way they are. Does anyone have any feedback?

> Standard Energy Shield Matrix

This equipment can only be installed in Mech units that have a fusion engine installed (SFE, XLFE, LFE).

The shield generator takes up 2 slots in the center torso and 1 slot in each side torso, for a total of 4 slots used. Each slot weighs .5 tons, for a total of 2 tons used.

This unit has a shield pool of [7 x the number of undamaged slots] (so the unit has a total shield pool of 28 when the system is undamaged). When this unit takes damage from the front or side firing arcs while the shield is active, damage is subtracted from the shield pool.

The shield matrix has no effect against physical attacks.

At the end of the heat phase units with shield generators may choose to charge shields at the cost of extra heat buildup. Changing (or recharging) the shield costs 1 heat for every 2 points of shield pool. You may never exceed beyond your max capacity during recharge.

The shield matrix, while a powerful technology, has a chance of overloading from too much weapons fire. Upon the accumulation of 20+ or more damage, the unit must do an "Overload check" at the end of the firing phase.

When this unit overloads, the player must make a flat 2d6 check against [1 + <number of turns the shield has been active> (minimum 1) + <number of times this unit has been hit with a PPC since the shield has been activated>].

If the player fails this check, roll a floating TAC against their front facing arc.

>>96234282
Incredibly broken, that's how you get invincible mechs.

>>96234282
No.

>>96234332
What if the overload check was:
>A flat 2d6 check against [6 + <the number of times this unit has been hit by a PPC since the shield has been activated>]

Because that's my general sentiment as well. I was arguing for a minimum of 8 slots (2 in CT, and then one in each other component), as well as having the shield generator become non-functional if any slot is destroyed.

What would you change?

I suggested he test it on a Dasher-H by removing the MASC and a couple small lasers.

...I think I wrote it out wrong, but the intent was that the player chose the amount of shield that charges the round before it actually regenerates.

>>96234358
2t on anything that can get a +4TMM will be broken. You need to severely reduce the damage nullification, or it'll invalidate most light mech hunting weapons.

>>96234358
0.5 tons, 1 crit, absorbs 3pts of damage if there's a shield generator in that location instead of a total pool.

>>96234282
I don't think energy shields have a place in Battletech thematically. Locational damage is such a crucial part of play, the idea of being able to interrupt that without a physical defense breaks a large number of core world assumptions.

Here are a few alternative technologies or ideas that could work without interrupting core setting conceits:
- Chaff Smoke Poppers that cover a mech in laser diffusing smoke
- Trophy systems to detonate prematurely ballistic weapons; I'd recommend them being locational with the added benefit of being able to be mounted on a shield. Maybe it will still work on missiles, but I'd be careful to step on AMS and LAMS's toes.
- More kinds of applique armor, such as discardable chobam plates that allow a mech to exceed normal armor limits at the expense of tonnage efficiency and reduced speed (something like you give up a quarter of your armor allowance in a location and a crit slot to get half again your armor as chobam (125%), if it gets crit the applique is blown clean off). Chobam can be jettisoned prior to moving, restoring normal movement at the expense of any remaining applique armor.

>>96232656
What is going on with the panthers right arm its sitting higher in the socket

>>96234472
They work for Earthsiege because there's a weapon meta written around shield/armour damage. Blue Shield does mimick that to some extend by slightly nerfing CERPPCs.

>>96232444
You have convinced me. Not that gothic is exciting, but that CGL employees do stalk this board and push their garbage here as part of their marketing.

>>96234595
I think it's just the angle and shadows.

>>96233834
>This is the weirdest and most specific attempt at trolling I've seen in fifteen years on 4chan.
Nah. Not even close. You're just saying that because it's being aimed directly at you.

>>96234282
I'd say make it where damage is turned into heat, and make the shield directional and in the direction it is in you can't shoot through. Also make it where missiles gain a +2 modifier because you're throwing up so much of a signature you can be seen from orbit.

>>96234472
>energy shields
But they already exist in lore, Solaris 7 really dosen't do the setting any favors.

>>96234282
I'm fine with this, but it needs to be a Pin Point Barrier System. Having it on should generate heat, whether it's blocking any shots or not. Blocking shots should also requires a successful PSR.
The tech should be rough and difficult to use, but in the hands of a skilled pilot, it can have some value. It also would fit in with the roots of Battletech too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdBfRYHCy5k

>>96235204
The Solaris 7 "shield" is a heavily layered series of defenses that only works because it's a fixed location with a massive fusion generator in the basement. It requires physical components running all the way up and down the entire length of the shield. You can't make that mobile. Best you can do on a mobile unit is the Blue Shield, which is a PPC dampener field turned inside-out.

>>96235218
>what is tech development
That's the thing, once it exists in setting you open up the ability to miniaturize it, look at the Mackie for Christ's sake. It's better to make the barrier made from the same material cockpit glass is made from, and make it thicc as fuck combined with IFF's that make it flat out impossible to fire at the glass.

>>96235218
Blue Shield isn't even an energy field, just a complicated chaff system that might as well be fairy dust.

>pulse lasers
Does anybody else think that the +1 modifier for pulse lasers is kinda bullshit? I mean the very description of pulse lasers has it where they do what they do for armor penetration and in games they really aren't more accurate than regular lasers.
>fix
Roll for criticals and outright ignores reflective armor.

>>96235282
Normal laser's like a laser pointer, pulse laser's like a laser strobe. They pump the energy over much faster than standard lasers.

The real bullshit is pulse lasers doing bonus damage to infantry.

>>96235339
>extra damage
Yeah that also dosen't make sense, if anything pulse lasers should be LESS effective because the duration of fire is very short compared to regular lasers.

>>96235363
I'd assume the TW values are an average of how much of the energy actually ends up on target, which is where the pulse lasers could edge out over trying to hold a laser pointer on somebody's center mass while being a giant, jogging robot.

>>96235247
There has to be proper understanding of the tech to do that, and the stadium shield is firmly under the lostech handwave. If they did have any sort of capability to reproduce it then you can bet youd be seeing it on important things like mech factories or fortresses. Battlemechs have been around for hundreds of years and we didnt start seeing compact versions of basic mech components like the gyro until the 3060s, even the SLDF hadn't figured that one out.

Reasonably I think if it was developed further Warships would be able to have them. A prohibitively expensive defense shield makes sense on a prohibitively expensive warship but not on a dropship. Since it requires a physical structure to emit it there wouldnt be a perfect 360 degree bubble and it'd be directional and place even more emphasis on facing

Another basing test, this time i used kitty litter, aqarium sand and woodlime and good helping of brown and green wash.

>>96235363
>>96235403
Wasn't the fluff that because its a series of bursts and not a constant beam the damage concentrates because its not making a constant flow of molten armor over the impact spot

>>96235403
In games (MW5/MWO) regular lasers have a "stream" while pulse lasers fire a short burst, and while regular lasers require dwell time to inflict damage pulse lasers should dump damage into a target.

>>96235441
>series of bursts
But very short lived. Regular lasers last anywhere between 1-3 seconds while pulse lasers barely last a second, it's a 3 round burst vs 10-15 rounds full auto.

>>96235105
who the fuck even asked for gothic? what 'market research' did they even do, a feasability study? a business plan?

what fucking MBA went
>'why yes trying to do the same thing as James Workshop will totally work if we directly compete with them explicitly and totally won't backfire on us as a massive expense that makes us NOTHING.'
this whole fucking things sounds like Porchbux mcGee stole another million, so they're trying to cover it up by paying some chinese 150 K to crap out some half assed shit. and then they can TAX WRITE OFF the losses to try and make up for porchbux thieving cuntery.

or some equally cockamamie, retarded, ass backwards 'scheme'.

>>96235483
Most likely it's trying to capture some 40k "fans" through aesthetics while completely ignoring why 40k players play 40k. If they REALLY wanted to get 40k fans they'd update Battletroops and make different models and maps.

>>96235430
The thing there is that the Steiner shield projects linearly. The systems that make the shield are in the ground directly below the shield and directly in line with the plane of the shield, and if a mech wanted to disable them, it could just drill through the ground until it hits the emitter directly. If the warship wanted that specific shield, it would need to have a boom arm tennis racket looking thing and wouldn't be able to place the shield generating components behind the shield.

>>96235483
>what 'market research' did they even do
There usual market research and focus group testing, where they ask the danger-hair and trans/queer employees what they think, relying heavily on the opinion of that troon who is really into shadowrun that admitted to only ever playing two games of battletech.

>>96235483
They had some cash left over and invested it. That's pretty normal for companies.

>>96235590
>That's pretty normal for companies.
Actually it isn't, it's even illegal.
Ever since the early 1900's case between dodge and ford it has been legally established that a companies only purpose is to generate profit for shareholders, taking profits and re-investing them into product or employees is illegal, it's literally stealing from shareholders.
They could only do this iif they brought up the idea to the board of directors and the board said "Yes, copying warhammer would be a great move, make it so"

>>96235600
that's what I was going for. like HOW the flying fuck did they swing this shit past the board, past investors?

that's why it has to be some retarded fucking scheme.
>we are going to take all your money and burn it in a trashfire, fuck you very much!
>spiffing! what a capitol idea chap! here! have more of my money to burn!

LIKE FUCK.

>>96235600
>Ever since the early 1900's case between dodge and ford it has been legally established that a companies only purpose is to generate profit for shareholders
Doesn't apply to CGL - they are not Publicly Traded. Also used to be that shares were how companies generated capital for investments.

>>96235663
Topps is and Topps makes decisions about what the licensee can do.

>>96235711
Topps is hands off.

What mech would John Gundam pilot?

>>96235775
Lol.

>>96233431

High effort cosplay.

>>96235600
>a companies only purpose is to generate profit for shareholders
Such a bullshit ruling and responsible for so much of what's wrong today.

>>96235981
Yes it is the foundation of the modern degradation of the west based on obsolescence and outsourcing of manufacture to third world nations.
It's also why the tariff circus of the USA is meaningless, so long as any corporation can find a cheaper means of production than hiring legal americans in the USA, they are legally required to use that cheaper option, and if they are forced to stateside production they are required to go the route of illegal workforce if it is available, spending more than is absolutely physically necessary on manufacture and labor can literally see a CEO go to prison.
Negligently poison and injure your customer base all you want, the worst you'll get is a fine or sued for damages, but spend money that could have gone into a shareholders pocket and you face jail time!

>>96235979
That's 100% a channer under there. They're garbage. They have to be.

>>96235483
Supposedly it's been worked on since the Mercy Kickstarter got funded. I guess they had no ideas at all and wanted to have people do anything but work on the actual IP

>>96236181
channer or clanner?

>paint limbs white
>put on varnish finish
>they turn pink
I am half tempted to keep them that way.

>>96236724
Why'd you varnish tho?

>>96236837
Seemed finished enough

>>96236915
seems like your paint wasn't dry

>>96235981
>>96236076
>I give you money with the expectation of return of profit
>Ford
>ackshully you see it's my money now
There's a reason why his case got slapped down.

>>96236724
Oh, right

>>96236921
As a fellow canuck, if I ever come across you I will hospitalize you, mkay?
And your face has been posted here.

>>96237035
you sound buttmad.

>>96237123
Keep chirping bitch

>>96237123
No just disgusted.

Oh no the sky is falling

>>96237241
Settle down chicken little, I'm just not going to be buying minis that are weirdly sized.

>>96237241
grimme the big one i want it

>>96237280
Or so poorly molded!

Suppose an ammo bin has one round of ammunition remaining. A weapon is declared and fired that consumes the remaining round. In the same shooting phase, the mech receives a crit on the ammo bin.

Is the ammo bin considered loaded or empty when the crit is resolved?

>>96237350
Empty. Ammunition is consumed while firing, before damage is resolved

>>96237358
Cheers

>>96237241
I'm gonna be real anon, these mechs look overripe. Mushy. I don't think I would chew on them without being grossed out.

>>96237300
I literally make better miniatures at home.

i respectfully ask for back issues of mech mag

>>96235508
>while completely ignoring why 40k players play 40k.

Games Workshop clearly thinks it's because they like the minis.

>>96235632
>that's what I was going for. like HOW the flying fuck did they swing this shit past the board, past investors?

"We're going to directly copy the single most successful game in the market."

That's how.

>>96235430
Eh, lostech is being rediscovered all the time. Besides, one of the advantages of mechs is that they have way more room to put stuff than tanks, and have fusion engines to boot.

>>96237552
Kill yourself you retarded troglodyte.

>>96237495
>Games Workshop clearly thinks it's because they like the minis.
Yes, but mostly the setting. Not that James has a fucking clue why I play.

Are there any figures out there on the same quality level/scale as the CGL 100mm Timber Wolf?

>>96237611
That's some great 'quality' there.

>>96237611
All the old museum scale stuff, clicktech and a bunch of old unseen model kits.

>>96237350
Empty, rounds are in the autocannon.

>>96237611
There are some on a higher level in the gambody kits.

>>96237626
I get it. It's not the best, for sure. CGL could use some pointers on eliminating shitty mold lines on a larger scale, but at least I'm not having to sand down a ton of layer lines from your random Etsy 3D printer.

>>96237611

>>96237817
gross

Tell me /btg/, why does a fat ugly guy keep post selfies in your general? I came back to my computer after being afk and it was on the first page before I refreshed.

>>96238008
That's just bottom. He's like our retarded Canadian mascot.

>>96238065
No, you are a vile parasite pest.

>>96238065
Bottom is a foreign invader that self admittedly doesn't even like battletech.

I love that I can drop out of the thread for a week, a month, an entire season, yet I can always return to someone blowing a gasket over one trivial thing or another. Haven't had the time to visit the LGS to experience grog-rage in person, that I can always find it here is a nice touch. Never change /btg/

>>96238537
i cannot be dezgra in fact i am incapable of it

>>96238537
What's the internet for if not asocial chuds losing their shit about something that literally no one cares about?

>>96238537
>Haven't had the time to visit the LGS to experience grog-rage in person
Nogames

Do we know anything about the telecommunication within a planet/system that doesn't involve HPG?
>no smartphone or internet?

>>96238677
No, because Battletech is not a product of the 21st century, it's from before smartphones and many other technologies existed. Battletech computers operate on kilobytes of storage and memory.
Battletech is alternate universe and apparently in that universe the correct programming for moving big mech bodies was found, the programming is stupid simple, but our universe just hasn't stumbled onto it yet and we'll smack ourselves in the face when we do and wonder how we didn't think of that sooner.
But Battletech never got our level of processors or storage hardware.

>>96238677
We know that cellphones exist and that civilians use them since a classic example of schizotech is a businessman talking on a cellphone as he rides to work on a horse.

No smartphones. The Clans have the Chatterweb, which is sort of like IRC, but we don't have any evidence of a more sophisticated Internet than that.

>Battletech computers operate on kilobytes of storage and memory.
I'll never not laugh at Phelan Kell talking about the lost art of burning EPROMs.

>apparently in that universe the correct programming for moving big mech bodies was found, the programming is stupid simple, but our universe just hasn't stumbled onto it yet and we'll smack ourselves in the face when we do and wonder how we didn't think of that sooner.

It was probably done in analog. You can make very sophisticated analog control systems, it's just that no one bothers anymore because they're very hard to design and test. But there's absolutely no reason that you couldn't control something like a BattleMech's motion with analog systems only.

>>96237241
>front cockpit
The top mounted "Mad Dog/Vulture" cockpit makes far more sense for the Archer than the Macross front cockpit, and the Archer in MW5 dies easy to cockpit shots than anything else.
>reeeeee
Cool, tabletop is the most removed element from actual combat there is.
>TT is real battletech
Yeah and Hentai is real sex too.

>>96238834
The top mounted cockpit is from Macross anon. The destroid Spartan's front torso contains a gun cluster.

Man, BT came out too late. It would have been extremely funny if BattleMech operated using tens of thousands of these per mission

>>96238891
What am I looking at.

>>96238715
Noteputers do everything our smart phones and laptops do, often with a holographic screen, usually having tens of gigabytes of storage and some of them being around smart phone-sized.

>>96238834
Did you reply to the right post?

>>96237817
We deserve everything that is happening to us.

>>96238560
>Hells Horses share the same camo as the Taurians
Interdasting.

>>96238893
I think thats a punch card

>>96239036
It is.

I took a class on the history of computing once. Our professor had this old mainframe from the 70s that he had us write Fortran programs for on punchcards. It was surprisingly awesome.

>>96238992
you will live to see the taurians and the horses unite because a davion is making a new starleague

>>96238715
Ah, The Road Not Taken

>>96238677
radios

>>96235248
Blue Shield is a magnetic field that blocks some of the damage from PPCs by deflecting some of the particle stream, you might be thinking of Laser-Inhibiting Missiles which spread prismatic chaff.

>>96238744
One thing to keep in mind is that a lot of this stuff is meant to operate or at least survive transit in space. Modern computers are very vulnerable to cosmic ray damage and such, so most spacecraft in real life keep things as analog as possible, and that's not even getting into the weird stuff that Hyperspace is supposed to do to AIs.

>>96238677
>smartphone or internet
Fuck no. Even on Terra or the Clans the "internet" would be at it's infancy, and don't even think about smartphones because that was even more sci fi than energy weapons and FTL travel. Battletech is, at its core, cassette futurism and any attempt to "update for modern audiences" should be ruthlessly cut down.

Even the 80's is futuristic to many Battletech technologies, the list goes too far to list but nearly all the coms, iif/C3 targeting and outright doctrine would be horribly outdated by the 1980's. >>96238715
>kilobytes
RAM? Yes. ROM? FUCK NO.
Battletech computers are very limited in their ability, but outright storage (particularly memory cores) can reach Terabytes and not even stress the system. If Battletech computers were graded side by side with ours their computers would be durable to the point of taking bullets and still be working after 200 years of shitty storage. Meanwhile our computers would weigh orders of magnitude less while being less durable and having lesser storage.

Battletech computers would make Windows 95 look like alien technology while having enough storage to hold years worth of shitposts.

>>96238889
MK 1. Not the Mk 2.
>that torso pod
Oh god thats ugly.

>>96238065
That would be bottom anon, who is currently competing with manic/ND to be our worst shitposter, and possibly winning. He's a fat, ugly, /soc/ refugee who has openly admitted he hates the thread and wants to do his best to ruin it. Treats the thread like his personal /soc/ thread or grindr page, and once played one of the biggest names in Battletech and this thread, and acts like that gives him validation to act how he does.

>>96238065
No.

How intelligent does AI need to be before you shouldn't jump with it on?

>>96240118
Honestly BT's smartphone analogue can have more internal storage than my iphone.

>>96240192
Yes. But it's vastly more limited and touchscreens would be fucking magic.

By 3150, a noteputer can be about the size of a small modern tablet, if a bit thicker, and can take decent quality photos.

>>96240281
But it also still has physical controls rather than a touchscreen.

>>96238677
Also, IRC is still in use in the 3150s.

>>96240281
The weird scaling in this picture is giving me a stroke.

>>96240345
You'd probably be happier if you cared less about things like that.

>>96240249
The descriptions I see indicate they can do pretty much anything a modern smartphone can.

>>96240345
All mechs are two levels tall.

>>96240492
Wrong.

>>96240285
Seems about right since they grew out of palmtop computers rather than mobile phones.

Also the setting itself promotes rugged and robust design since the nearest repair shop for your fancy gizmo might be on a jumpship on in another system.

>>96240249
No touchscreens but lightpen interfaces are a thing.

>>96240285
Missing the keyboard. Must be detachable.

>>96240353
NTA but it's a subconscious thing. Our brains "know" how big things should be and it's disturbing when we see things that aren't. It makes our bodies think we've ingested poison.

>>96240558
Not a canon unit. Try again. There's no such thing as a Battlemech that isn't 2 levels tall.

Unless you're one of those degenerate zoomers raised on an ipad that have never touched a keyboard, BT computers would be quick to adapt to and do pretty much everything you're used to your computer or smartphone doing.

>>96240285
>But it also still has physical controls rather than a touchscreen.
>>96240778
>'has a touch-activated screen'

>>96240669
>Our brains "know" how big things should be and it's disturbing when we see things that aren't.
I understand that that's only calibrated for objects up to four meters. Anything taller than that is just big.

>>96240799
The wording is not entirely clear. It probably means a touchscreen, it could also mean that the holographic screen just turns on when you touch the thing and you use the keyboard after that, maybe it could even be the case that it has a hybrid input system that either allows full usability with the screen and keyboard or only partial control through either input.
The concept and practical use of a touchscreen as patents, proof of concept and actual commercial product existed for decades before this was written in the 90's, though it wouldn't really catch on for another decade, so it's highly likely the writer was aware of this feature and had it in mind when writing about BT's personal computers.

I mean we did have touchscreen "smartphones" on the market even in 1994.

>>96240873
Capacitive inputs have been a thing for most of a century.

I have a keytronic from 1974 that I refitted and you could type by just putting your fingers on the bare circuitboard because it was a capacitive matrix.

>be word of blake
>get new member
>he has an idea for a super weapon
>lets hear it
>a dropship...full of MG ammo
>we laugh, and as a joke approve the requisition
>he begs us to watch it hit a planet
>we do
Brothers.... the planet..... it's fucking GONE. I don't mean "uninhabitable" or "unprofitable" I mean FUCKING GONE. THE PLANET BLEW THE FUCK UP. We had to use our LF battery to GTFO before the debris wave hit and now I'm typing this report. Blake forgive me what have I done?

>>96240958

>>96240958
>Get in losers.
>We're going to do science!

>>96241177
That's absurd, everyone knows that no real science has been done since the fall of the Star League.

>>96241194
clantech are just star league tech but betterer

>>96241206
Incremental engineering improvements aren't science.

Warriors of Kerensky even says that the Clans basically haven't done any real science.

>>96241194
I mean, Blakists did. They were the only ones to advance hyperspace knowledge and travel in 350 years.

>>96241230
>Incremental engineering improvements aren't science
it is tho
>Clans basically haven't done any real science
they did to create elementals, BA and the basic set of clantech and then they stopped for 200 years because

>>96240958
There should be a shortstory series kinda like Scalzi's Redshirts where a bunch of young Blakist Adepts start accidentally discovering all the 4th Wall breaks of the mechanics of the game in their universe.

>Did you know that statistically, the most effective weapon against a Battlemech is a pool of water?

I find it funny PGI managed to make omnimechs arguably less flexible than regular battlemechs in their video games.

>>96240958
>Not having MG crates being yeeted by the Erinyes or using any other Wobbie super science

Jihad doesnt come up much on reddit huh

>>96241303
Because theyre advantage has always been a fluff thing and maybe in campaigns if theyre going that hard with it. Video games dont go that hard into the actual rules for modifying and even then players ignore it. Did a modded coop campaign in MW5 with my friends and they had us sit and burn time for 6 in game months just to wait for their mech mods to finish.

>>96241381
The restrictions of omnimechs are just as much fluff but PGI still decided to restrict their construction rules heavily.

>>96232444
There are all of three useful things from it:
>8 new variants
>Light Blazer
>2 new maps
They fucked up the abominations so you can't even make your own kaiju v mech battle stuff, the one thing that'd maybe redeem buying it. And the mech models are shit. Once the useful parts are scraped into a PDF by someone the product will lose even that tiny bit of usefulness it had, and it should be left to rot on the shelves forever. 40k tards can fuck off back to GW.

>>96240778
The data market near star ports is probably interesting. Street merchants with a bunch of blank data storage devices so they can copy bootlegs of whatever new media you have to sell them, next to baskets full of bootlegs of whatever they have to sell you. Locally produced versions of shows that decided it was cheaper to distribute the script via HPG than the original recordings via courier, random episodes of foreign shows from previous ship crews, the last month or so of local news broadcasts, etc.

>>96240290
>it's
>don't
>I'm
>didn't
They can't even write clanner speech properly. What a clownshow of a company.

>>96241303
What they did was make OmniMechs go by tabletop rules instead of the free-for-all they'd been doing with conventional BattleMechs up until that point.

I appreciate the idea, even if I agree it was a bit too late.

>>96241482
IIRC the idea is that Civilians don't care as much about that sort of thing. Which is feasible.

But also yeah, CGL's famous fact-checking and editing in action.

>>96238649
Your father is a freebirth and your mother is a surat.

>>96241423
Even 40K people would be insulted by the notion this product was aimed at them.

But that is the least offensive part about it. CGL inventing progressively more ridiculous excuses for it is the most grating part.
That it was made is spare time and just a side project while it is clear significant investment went into it looking at the piles of boxes of it they had on gen con.
Or days-worth of explaining on social media that it was inspired by doom and quake and not 40K after the news leaked out. All the while CGL themselves gave it 40000 product number.
There is stupidity, and then there is CGL handling of Gothic.

>>96241496
You'd still expect at least ONE of the six yiffers in that chat to manage to avoid using a contraction, but every one of them uses at least one contraction. At least them having furrier names than a literal furry smut RP chat is in character for fucking clanners. Blake was right and CGL should be nuked for their crimes in assisting the tubebabbies.

>>96241536
>inspired by doom and quake and not 40K
The fuck? Neither doom nor quake are "gothic" in any sense!
I mean it's not like cgl got anywhere within spitting distance of a "gothic" aesthetic mind you, but the IDEA they are going for is 110% 40k and there is no mistaking it, that they failed miserably doesn't alter that.

I wonder to what extent there were clanners who on encountering the inner sphere and failing to take Terra were like, damn, maybe our way of life isn't actually superior? Are there a bunch of ex-clanners who are won over by dezgra things like family, having a culture outside of war and not dying before you are thirty. You've got pov characters who went over to the clans (Phelan Kell the foul traitor), but outside of the Dragoons who were in the inner sphere for decades, are there other examples of proud warriors of Kerensky going native?

>>96241562
>doom nor quake are "gothic"
Both had gothic environments.

>>96241588
Oh yes I recall the vast sprawling cathedrals of Final Doom, that game totally didn't occur in tunnels and research bases.
You don't know what the fuck gothic even is, who the fuck gave you permission to post? Get the fuck out, go take a piss and then stick your head in the toilet.

>>96241587
A lot of them are background characters. Wolf Hunters has a bunch of clanners that break with Annie K when she goes full retard, even more full retard than attacking Terra with 2 battalions of mechs.One goes to Solaris where he becomes a contender and falls in love with an infantry girl. Another is an Elemental that joins a mercenary company with her nova and seduces the fuck out of the commander. She literally sets up a romantic picnic disguised as a spy mission because she read about it in romance novels.

There's another classic one in the DA where there's a massive guy who is the son of a JF Elemental that invaded Skye in the Jihad and was like "No. Fuck this solahma stuff. I'm gonna 9ft cottage-core with this farmer who thinks he's a mountain climber."

This sort of thing was the norm. It's only in ilClan do you see vast swaths of the population suddenly start going "Gee, being a clanner is fucking great!" It's the absolute worst part of them trying to round off the edges of how shit and alien clanner society is. Especially doing it in the Border Protectorate where the Iron Guard are from. Jesus Fucking Christ, it's so retarded.

Well, other than absolute shithole periphery worlds that are comparable to the Kluster. I remember the dudes on Apollo still being like I CHALLENGE YOU TO A TRIAL OF BULLSHIT! even after the Clanners left. But then, the Falcons were always the best at converting their worlds, and were the only ones who didn't really stop and make their little enclaves like the Bears.

Is three centurions in a force too many? I'm just really loving the PGI shield on them right at the moment.
I'd have done more if I could have found more good poses.

>>96241613
I guess you never played doom, but it had plenty of levels set in brick and cobble castles adorned with torches and gothic wall decor such as knockers, especially in hell.

>>96241613
I think he means the new Doom's. All the knight stuff from Eternal and Dark Ages has a lot of that flavor.

>>96241662
>brick and cobble castles adorned with torches
Castles are not inherently gothic, a gothic castle has vast arches and ridiculously detailed architecture, the pixel bricks of doom are not gothic.
>>96241663
>new shit
It should be against the law to reboot franchises.

>>96241587
There's a couple who went to the Brotherhood of Randis, one of them became the grandmaster of the whole group. There's a mercenary company called Raging Horde that was originally entirely made of ex-clan elementals. They've allowed IS BA and APC drivers to join them, but still maintain some clan ideas like trials for positions and grievances even while they take money for service.

>>96241654
It'd be interesting to see a band of apostate Clanners who hated the clans more than anyone else, campaigning for the annihilation of clan society, opposing integration and peace treaties, going door to door handing out pamphlets about sibko child abuse and slavery and shaking hands with anti-clan politicians on television.

>>96241613
>>96241663
Come on guys.

>>96241738
I'd like to see it from the freebirth lower castes and the faildowns.

Have the warriors in the pretend happy places like Beartopia talking about unity and shared governance. Then there's just some guy like "I saw my best friend beaten to death because he misaligned a focus lens on a heavy laser." Then you see an elemental faildown turning wrenches on ASF's being like "Yeah, they said I was too good with tech and didn't have enough killer instinct, so here I am for the rest of my fucking life!"

>>96241774
Castles are not automatically gothic, pentagrams are not gothic either.

>>96241694
>>96241828
>>96241613
>>96241662
Gothic in this context is used to refer to dark fantasy, sometimes called gothic fantasy.
In aesthetic this refers to games such as hexen, quake, diablo, dark souls, thief, etc.
It doesn't need arches and complicated architecture, it's not about gothic architecture, it's about theme and a vague, grim-medievalish aesthetic. "Gothic" in this sense is just used to refer to something as "barbaric and medieval".

Apparently there are old mistakes in anniversary TRO3025.

>>96241908
If they swapped the OST art again as some sort of cutesy Easter egg, I'll fucking kill someone.

>>96241891
Pop culture "gothic" is not the variety of 40k and not the variety that cgl has attempted to do, those are both Architectural Gothic, as in German Cathedrals which is why the keen observer may happen to notice (perchance) that 40k is PLASTERED WITH CATHEDRALS

>>96241908
Surprised? A number of CGL books are literally copy and pasted from older wizkids product with merely a change of cover art.

>>96232661
Is there an up close shot of the akuma? I need to see his silly little demon face
>>96232669
What flavor of stalker is that?

>>96241945
The combo with cyber-gribbles is what makes 40k's particular aesthetic. It's not just a big cathedral, it's a big cathedral festooned in skulls with wires and cybernetic components, with a massive organ played by a lobotomized cyborg-zombie with robot hands made specifically for the sole purpose of interfacing with the keyboards PS/2 ports.

>>96241954
See here, this a page from Total Warfare 2006 Wizkids vs a page from Total Warfare 2021 CGL.

>>96241997
>Wizkids
>Not Fanpro
Oii!

There any fast assaults in the 90-100 ton range?

>>96242012
The Bezerker calls for blood, anon.

>>96242012
Do you hear yourself?

an I b&?

>>96242012
Banshee is the classic. There's also the Albatross. Any mech that heavy that goes faster than 3/5 is going to give up a lot, so you have to decide if you want less bang or less survivability.

>>96242037
I want them to make an uptexhed version of the 3S. Give it 2 heavy PPCs, an LB10X and some support guns, while rocking DHS and maybe an LFE.

>>96241661
What is the Lance's role? What are they fighting? Centurions are decent mechs and pair well with pretty much anything but they aren't fast and while the armors ok for a medium it doesnt hold up to punishment. Its something I'd be happy to have 1 of in a force but not multiple

>>96241774
That's Ultimate Doom not Final Doom

>>96242148
The role is that I had so much fun painting my flying circus scheme on the fortress that I decided to make it exclusively for the flying circus and so I've got 11 mechs and 6 combat vehicles to be added to it.
And at first I did have just one centurion but then I had a print failure on a wolfhound and a phoenix hawk, took that as a sign and re-examined my options which had me realize I was really looking forward to doing something with the shield on the centurion and more of those would be great for painting.
I figure they are a good generic medium to take with most any of my other mechs, or just all by themselves with the 4 hetzers and 2 LRM carriers.
I'm undecided if I'm going to do a different flag on each shield or make them all the same with angled black/white/red stripes.

>>96242035
Yes.

>>96242012
Gladiator. You can search for anything with MASC really

>>96242209
If theyre going to be split up with other things then yeah go for it. I just dont think 3 in the same lance is the best idea.

>>96242270
they will be 3 out of 31 mechs:
King Crab
Awesome
Fafnir
Stalker
Longbow
Nightstar
Atlas
Thunder Hawk
Thunderbolt
Crusader
Catapult
Rifleman
Warhammer
Jagermech
Guillotine
Archer
Crab
Crab
Centurion
Centurion
Centurion
Hunchback
Dervish
Cicada
Sentinel
Flea
Locust
Raven
Commando
Spider
Panther

>>96242312
>German theme
>No Hauptmann

>>96242436
I don't do ugly mechs. You will also note that only the Fafnir is post-clan because I don't want more than that one that cannot be played in 3025/3050 games.

some pics of last night’s game

>>96242457
The ugliness is part of the charm

>>96242510
No.

Newbie here, what CGL Store item should I use my $20 coupon from the starter set on? I currently have

>BattleTech: A Game of Armored Combat
>IS Command Lance
>IS Direct Fire Lance

Gut is telling me to get another mini pack, but is there something else more important?

>>96242510
Never knew I needed a kawaii ugu carl brutananadilewski chan mech.

>>96242510
>>96242457
Damn, I really like the look of the Hauptmann... This feels almost as strange as when I heard someone say the Cataphract is ugly. Bewildering.

>>96242591
If it were shimmied or pgi'd without the retarded mouth and ears it might be okay.

>>96242567
Unless you want paper copies of the rulebooks, minis are the way to go. I think you can get a Griffin somewhere else now so you don't need to get the beginner box.

>>96242567
>more important
Not really, you could honestly get whatever you want — more mechs are prob the best bet

>>96235432
Nice
What did you use for the wire at that scale?

>>96242620
there’s already a Griffin in AGoAC

>>96242567
you should get an IS Fire Lance. It's very important. For reasons.

>>96242591
I mean it is, but in the sense that it looks like the mech pieced together out of several others

Playing in a campaign with some friends and the Ilkhan era RAT tables for opfors are annoying. It seems like every other enemy we fight brings a lot of stupid hover tanks, swingy weapons like UAC20s are all over the place, and the speed scale is out of whack with tons of XL engines all over the place. With our careful mech selection on our side we've been doing well, but some things you don't like to see as enemies even when they're not meta picks, the enemy doesn't have to worry about preserving their skilled up pilots.

>>96242603
MW4 is its best iteration.

>>96242632
No there's a Shad and Wolverine. Griffin is in the Beginner Box and Kell Hounds Striker Lance.

>>96243097
It's easy to look like an eagle if you're surrounded by turkey. Best of the ugly is still ugly.

>>96243097
Fixed

Been working on making the vanilla King Crab a little more versatile so it doesn't get LOLAMMOCRIT'd just trying to slowly walk up on its target. Here's what I've got so far, I call it "the reverse Marauder":

>downgrade the AC/20s for AC/10s
>upgrade the large laser to a PPC
>replace the LRM with two SRM-6s
>Armor and heat sinks go unchanged

So far this reconfiguration is slightly cheaper in BV, the same for PV, and still has the ammo bomb problem but it's 3025 so what are you gonna do.

Thoughts?

>>96243241
There's a Star League variant for that.

>>96243241
Just drop the LRMs entirely, upgrade LL to PPC and add more ammo, heatsinks and armor. If you're doing more than introtech, keep the 20s unless swapping to gauss, DHS to get the heat, ER the PPC and get more armor and ammo. Don't make the XL mistake of the 0000

>>96243436
Got to at least have an LRM5 to pop smoke.

>>96243409
Yeah, but it's clan-exclusive up until after the Jihad when I guess the Sea Foxes put it back on the market.

>>96243436
I like what you're putting down, but unfortunately my my "model accuracy" autism is gonna be annoyed by the lack of missile weapons.

>>96243168
Might as well take the cigar too since you hate things with character

>>96243436
I want blazers in the claws

Lyrans are not the parts of Germany that martialboos like about it. Someone basing their thing on a Prussian gentleman officer is probably less interested in a bunch of gaudy merchants representing Germany's manufacturing dominance and increasingly prominent role in the middle of Europe in the 80s.

>>96243097
Why would you give a Hauptmann bird legs?

>>96243241
And we can call it... the Nightstar. (With a few SRMs).

>>96241299
>If we name the AI "Princess"....

>>96241562
the recent doom games were pretty gothic, to be fair

>>96241354
>reddit
Tourist.

What's the 'cigar' part of thr Hauptmann supposed to be? A random small laser?

>>96241801
Pic reminds me. If I'd like to have the players to stumble upon a carcass of a legendary Shadow Hawk 'Fang of the Sun' in a random encounter and let them salvage one component, what should it be?

>>96243107
ah that’s right I am thinking back to when the beginner box was Wolverine and Griffin

>>96243725
Yes.

>>96243725
You could also swap it for a flamer and it would still be cigar-like and anti-infantry.

>>96243918
Then it would be too imitative of the Berserker.

Have any of you seen Mech Crusade on steam? Basically a fan-made early 90s MechWarrior game. I'm looking forward to trying that out. Anyway, glad to see people moving forward with their various painting and campaign projects in here. Truly inspired. Hope to be able to make time to progress on my own painting soon. Be well, btg.

>>96241423
>They fucked up the abominations so you can't even make your own kaiju v mech battle stuff
Well hopefully, they'll realizes that's the bit we wanted most...
It's a long hope, but it's there.

>>96241562
>>96243651
>the recent doom games were pretty gothic, to be fair
Yeah, and apparently even the earlier entries were at least Romanesque.

>>96241891
>>96241945
IT NEEDS POINTED ARCHES DAMN IT!

>>96244068
I suspect Gothic will be very successful and there will be an additional box with Abomination minis as well as more rules regarding them
And I also suspect this was the plan all along hahaha

>>96240859
>The concept and practical use of a touchscreen as patents, proof of concept and actual commercial product existed for decades before this was written in the 90's, though it wouldn't really catch on for another decade, so it's highly likely the writer was aware of this feature and had it in mind when writing about BT's personal computers.
>>96240873
Yeah, I remember fooling around with some old... early Macbooks I think, that a family friend in Education had second hand in the early nineties, and those had little signature signing windows.

>>96241256
>they did to create elementals
And "Accidentally" an entire sustainable breeding population of untamable, man-eating Demon Horses.

>>96241299
>>Did you know that statistically, the most effective weapon against a Battlemech is a pool of water?
...But have you considered putting a flimsy roof on it?!


>>96241654
>She literally sets up a romantic picnic disguised as a spy mission because she read about it in romance novels.
DECULTURE!!!

>>96241230
>Protomech tech
>simply scaled down
Protomech sinks are a quarter of the weight of SHS while being twice as efficient as DHS, pound per pound. We're deep into Wibbly-Wobbly territory here.

>>96243749
The lostech linear cannon.

>>96244253
>first real technological achievement in 200 years
>jaguars

Lol and/or lmao

>>96244282
Isn't the "linear cannon" a particle beam?

>>96244337
Yeah, would proably stat as a PPC or ERPPC.

>>96244114
>untamable,
They finally break them and make them ridable in the Dark Age.

Reinforcements are in the works.

>>96244389
Wow, they all have null signature systems!

>>96243097
I like it, but it shouldn't have the grille. The mouth is supposed to be a traverse slot for the laser turret.

>>96244102
>And I also suspect this was the plan all along hahaha
Again I'd hope this would be the case, but I fear "Abominations" might just end up being reskinned ProtoMechs and Battle Armor...

>>96244382
>They finally break them and make them ridable in the Dark Age.
Seriously?
Why did it take them until the Dorking to pull that off?!

>>96244389
Is that a Whitworth second from the right in the middle row?

>>96243552
Fake animal ears are not "character", that's the kind of shit desperate faggots wear to try and make up for lack of character, but it never can because it's just an aesthetic facade.

>>96244418
>Why did it take them until the Dorking to pull that off?!
Stoner Peace gave them enough years dicking around and doing nothing to have little pet projects like that. The Galaxy Commander rides up on one when he challenges the Falcons on the semantics of the Mongol Doctrine.

>>96244419
No that's a dervish.

>>96241423
>>Light Blazer
Elaborate

>>96244459
New thing exclusive to Gothic

>>96244459
It's two IS medium lasers taped together. Only does 7 damage tho.

>>96244486
>>96244547
It's a shame IS doesn't have their mass produces version of heavy lasers.

>>96236970
The case was brought up by his competitors to ruin him. He understood the value in having well paid workers. It made them output a higher quality product and inspired loyalty. Both are things that lead to greater profits, but because they can't be directly measured, the ruling was made against Ford.
Now we have CEOs that come in to companies, gut them for "Record High Profits!" for a single quarter, that lead to the company failing and going under. Ford was engaging in pure capitalism and it benefited everyone except his competitors who couldn't keep up. The government gets involved to control the free market and everything went to shit. Just like every time the government gets involved with anything. Every time? Every time.

What if rotary heavy PPC, but instead of rotating barrels it's two capacitors.

>>96244459
2 tons, 2 crits, 6 heat, 7 damage, 3/6/9 range

>>96241654
>Another is an Elemental that joins a mercenary company with her nova and seduces the fuck out of the commander. She literally sets up a romantic picnic disguised as a spy mission because she read about it in romance novels.
What's this book? I gotta read this thing

>>96244705
Which of course implies a Micro Blazer that's 1 ton, 2 crits, 2 heat, 4 damage, 1/2/3 range.

>>96244729
Wolf Hunters. It's a Dark Age Novel that's kinda an anthology.

>>96244651
>Just like every time the government gets involved with anything. Every time? Every time.
Not every time, you have to remember that relying on a single CEO's altruism means he has to completely control the market, which stifles innovation, and the only thing keeping things good is the whims of a single guy.

>>96244732
And we now have the formula to binary any laser system. Same heat as two, same crits as two, damage is 1.5 times (round down), weight is 90% (round down).
So if you blazed two large pulse lasers it would be 13 tons (12.6, but only half ton increments, so 13), 4 crits, 20 heat, 13 damage, 3/7/10 range, pulse benefits. Hot garbage.

>>96244778
Sorry, 90% round up to nearest half ton. Everything has to be rounded in whichever way is less beneficial, because this is sidegradetech.

>>96244784
I mean do you want Clan-spec "everything we have is just better, no we don't think this needs balance" because that's how we got Clan-spec and now FOUR Balance Systems trying to accommodate it.

>>96244778
>blazed LPL does 13 damage
>Hot garbage
Not entirely true. It's IS tech that can headcap, and won't explode like a gauss rifle
I'm not saying it's good, I am saying it's the exact same argument people use to justify the OG blazer.

The new light blazer cannot make this argument however, so that weapon is hot dogshit in the purest form.

>>96243625
No ejected mechwarrior is safe from her fury.

>>96244817
A regular Blazer does 12 damage at longer range for marginally less heat, and it's still widely considered pretty bad. The bonus to hit is nice, but the shortened range bands offset it most of the time.

>>96244817
The light blazer has the benefit of being inefficient on a small scale. You're only wasting one ton and one or two heat sinks on it. As long as you aren't boating them it's no worse than having an unused C3S or random mpulse in a cluster of regular mlas. Most designs can afford a little bit of inefficiency and still be good. One regular Blazer represents a massive investment of tonnage and sinkage, and the theoretical BiPlazer would be even more.

>>96244778
Blazers seem to be a thing only done by the IS, but there's nothing that says you can't apply it to Clan lasers is there? Like, if you used C-ERMLs as a base, that'd give you a Clan Light Blazer that's:
2 tons, 2 crits, 10/10 heat and damage. That's basically a PPC that loses 3 hexes of range but has no minimum range.

MW5Mercs is on sale. It's $12 for normal, or $24 for JumpShip edition, which is:

>MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries - JumpShip Edition Content Breakdown
>MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries Base Game featuring the massive Year one update including Gameplay improvements and Cross play with all versions.
>Heroes of the Inner Sphere DLC expanding the game with new Career Mode, New Biome, New Modes, New Weapons and equipment and even mechs to hunt.
>Legend of the Kestrel Lancers Expansion Join forces with House Davion and experience the 4th Succession War. Experience All-Out-War scenarios with large-scale expansive combat. Fight in all new megacities, new biomes, new garrisons...and more
>MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries Digital Extras Featuring Soundtracks, High Res Backgrounds and a 58 page Tech Manual.

Is JumpShip worth it?

Pic not related.

>>96244957
The notable part is Legend of The Kestrel Lancers, which is decent far as MW5 expansions go. Unlike normal MW5 it actually has a decent story.

My formerly comstar atlas is now a lyran atlas

>>96244651
>Just like every time the government gets involved with anything.
It's because of the government that workers have any rights at all. You don't live in a company town working 90 hours weeks at the age of 12 while the company deliberately dumps poison where you live so they can save $25/year, because the government got involved. Go die in Somalia if you hate government that much.

>>96244957
brb becoming a bondsman of clan snow raven

>>96244996
Good, good.

>>96244974
I could get just that one for $8, for a total of $20...though at that point I guess I may as well do the whole thing. Unless the new weapons are like SNPPCs and Blazers and shit.

>>96244778
>And we now have the formula to binary any laser system. Same heat as two, same crits as two, damage is 1.5 times (round down), weight is 90% (round down).
If weight is rounded down, shouldn't the Light Blazer be 1.5 tons then? It's a blazer but with MLs isn't it?

>>96245053
Light Blazer is 1.5t yes

>>96245014
>You don't live in a company town working 90 hours weeks at the age of 12 while the company deliberately dumps poison where you live so they can save $25/year
This still happens. Go live in china if you love government so much, socialist.

>>96245064
Not like it use to, just look at China to see how bad the abuse CAN get, and then make that fundamentally worse because you couldn't piggyback off the industrial advancements of the West.

>>96245163
>how bad the abuse CAN get
Because of apocalyptic goverment decrees? Yeah.

>>96244749
You're arguing hypotheticals against actual events. Stop.

>>96244957
$24 for the base game and 1st 2 DLCs, yeah. I'd say get it, but I also advocate for the game and all of its DLCs even when it's not on sale. Though the true experience comes from getting all the DLC.

>>96245024
Sorry, she only fucks Davion royalty. It's her kink.

>>96245014
Oh look, it's contrarian anon again. Hey there, being contrarian and just arguing with everyone again? Cause yeah, it's totally believable for someone here to love government that much.
>Go die in Somalia if you hate government that much.
I'm an American and there is nothing more American than hating the government.

>>96245217
Maybe she'll become Alaric Steiner-Davion's side piece after he marries Danai Centrella-Liao.

>>96245218
The government wants you to live. If you really hated the government, you'd kill yourself.

>>96245184
>Because of apocalyptic goverment decrees?
Oh worse, that's MEETING QUOTAS!

>>96245191
Do you not understand that Carnegie or Ford were the Elon Musk of their time?
They enabled some amazing things to happen, but that led to them thinking they were the only ones who were right about everything.
And even if Ford made 8 billion Model Ts for every human on the planet, the car market would still collapse after that complete saturation, and Model Ts are effectively shit to begin with.

>>96243918
Isn't there a config that does that?

General reminder: You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. Arguing with people over things they decided based purely on emotion just won't work.

Anyway, Butte Hold

>>96245353
>Butte Hold
Held

>>96245372
Holding

>>96245205
That's while an endorsement.

>>96245471
That model looks good.

>>96245471
>>96245536
what is it?

>>96245471
why trip off

>>96245471
>Plastic Gunsmith
LAAAAAAAAME

>>96244778
what if we blazer a blazer?

>>96245693
The Trazer is 24 heat, 13.5 tons, 6 crits, and only 14 damage. Maybe you could argue that it should be 13 tons and 16 damage (using the logic that each additional laser core adds 4 damage and 4 tons instead of exponentially half damage and 90% total weight rounded up to half tons), but let's be honest, they wouldn't ever use advantageous logic on something like that. Sidegrade or worse is the name of the game, and this goes strictly in the worse category.

>>96245716
Oh, and the true Biblazer with 4 laser cores is 32 heat, 18 tons, 8 crits, and 15 damage.

>>96245693
>>96245716
>>96245720

Gentlemen, let's ask the real question. Why the fuck can't we fire in single core mode to control heat like the original infantry version? It would make the Blazer so much more versatile!

>>96245720
wouldn't it be 18 damage?

>>96245736
8+4+2+1

>>96245740
I do not understand your math

>>96245751
Standard Blazer does 12. It's two large lasers that would each do 8, 12-8=4 so the second one does 4. That's half damage. Non-clan, non-mainstream weapons are not allowed to be good, and pulse lasers do more damage because they pulse and allow the cloud of ablative armor to dissipate, so we put those two ideas together and each core adds half of the previous core. 8+4+2+1+.5 (round down to 0)

>>96245736
How would it get to 18? Even if you did 8+4+4+4 that would be 20.

>>96245766
>they pulse and allow the cloud of ablative armor to dissipate
And thr Blazer explicitly doesn't. It fires both cores at the same point at the same time. There's no delay between them, so any armor reaction is in full swing against both.

>>96245772
NTA but I see where he got 18. If the formula is multiplying damage by 1.5, and Blazer damage is 12, that makes 18.

>>96245716
That's just an Improved Heavy Large Laser

>>96245785
That would make a light quazer do 10 then? Maybe, but it's optimistic given how things are made here.

>>96245810
But 4 times heavier, unable to headcap, and with shorter range! Perfectly balanced between the two tech bases.

>>96245730
>just a LL
>that weighs more
GENIUS

>>96244651
>Ford
>only earned his profits by being a monopoly
Ford was doomed to failure the instant competition showed up (like in real life) Ford had absolutely no legal defense, shareholders give money with the expectation of seeing profit, that's the sole reason why you fucking buy stocks. Anything else is so open to abuse and fraud that it would completely destroy capitalism as a concept.

>we have a CEO's tha-
No. Companies don't work like this you child, if you spent more than 5 minutes on Google you'd understand that companies focus on growth, not profit. Profit is irrelevant to growth, you can profit all day but if you don't grow you either get bought up or outclassed by a larger entity.

>>96245014
>the government is good
>looks at the EU, USSR, and China
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>96244957
>snow raven khan
I can see why the Davions couldn't resist, she hits a perfect balance between Caucasian and Asian, she's the perfect Hapa, those rice burner genes simply couldn't resist that.

Wait...if the armor on Battlemechs is so amazing. Why do regular ass machine guns deal damage to it?

>>96245996
I bet you could find the answer to this in a book

>>96245941
>No.
Pretty sure that's exactly what happened to adobe.

>>96245602
:3c

I think I'm done this one for now.

>>96246070
Looks chewable

>>96246083
>w<

>>96244389
Got as far as the first coat of red glaze for now.

>>96246096
call me your naughty lil weiner schnitzel

Which BT faction is prone to this outcome?

>>96245996
MG bullets are also made from battlemech armor.

>>96246028
Considering they couldn't until it was changed so that they could, I actually doubt it.

>>96246070
>>96246090
looks pretty bad

>>96246455
Where does this fit into your hierarchy?

>>96246503
It's artillery

>>96246507
But it's also a Mech.

Also, why did the Dracs do it but not the Lyrans? They never fight the Wolves.

>>96245716
>Sidegrade or worse is the name of the game, and this goes strictly in the worse category.
Again, you want Clan-spec to AGAIN fuck over attempts at balance?

>>96245996
>Wait...if the armor on Battlemechs is so amazing. Why do regular ass machine guns deal damage to it?
Well if it's ablative, that probably means the repetitive impacts of sustained automatic fire can effectively "rattle" bits of it off.
Remember a BattleTech round is ten seconds in Real Time, and thus ten seconds of sustained automatic fire from at least a squad at a singular location.

Has anyone made STLs for 28 or 32mm BattleTech infantry?

How would Variable Speed BiPlazers hold up?

>>96246794
Going by the formula posted in the thread
>Large Variable Speed Pulse Laser as base for Blazer variant
>16 tons
>8 crits
>20 heat
>16/13/10 damage
So uh, not great...

>>96246705
>thus ten seconds of sustained automatic fire from at least a squad at a singular location
A mech can't aim at the same spot on another mech properly, how's ten guys spread out going to do it?

>>96246705
They aren't holding the triggers down for all ten seconds, they're aiming and placing shots because the mech is moving around.

>>96247018
>A mech can't aim at the same spot on another mech properly, how's ten guys spread out going to do it?
Fair.

>>96247044
>they're aiming and placing shots because the mech is moving around
But then again, are they able to concentrate fire enough to nip off some armor?
I figure at least going full bullet hose would allow them to coordinate.

>>96232464
t. retarded grognard

Newbie here needing clarification - I've mainly played with IS mechs, so have been told that with an IS XL engine, if the side torso craps out, all those Engine slots or last, so the mech is dead. And on a regular IS mech, engine crits can kill the mech, or cause heat gain before you get there.

So for Clanners, with their smaller XL engines - if I destroy the side torso on a Clanner, do they still act like those two engine slots were "crit" - like, fill in the bubbles on the sheet, and gain the heat each turn for two engine crits? and then even 1 more engine crit on the remaining side torso or CT is game over?

>>96247658
Yes, for clanner losing side torso is 2 engine crits, for IS 3.

>>96247658
Yep, and it's exactly the same with an Inner Sphere Light engine (2 crits per side torso, less weight savings than an XL) as with a Clan XL engine.

On the rare engine side, this also means the clan XXL, with 4 crits per side torso, dies on side torso loss like the IS XL and XXL (6 crits per side torso).

The only exception is superheavies because they compact their crits to half normal (rounded up), but those crits still only ACT like one normal crit. So a superheavy only dies instantly on side torso loss if it has an IS XXL in there, otherwise it will have at most 2 crits in the side torso (and the accompanying +10 heat).

>>96241537
>You'd still expect at least ONE of the six yiffers in that chat to manage to avoid using a contraction
Why should they? Didn't yiffs sacraficed most of their civilians to some retarded Steiner's plot durring their massive migration from original OZ to the current one and now most of their civies are former Marick-Stewart citiezens?

What's your workhorse medium mech of choice? The mech where you can slot it into any lance to take up that fourth slot and have it work well.

>>96248574
Warcrow

>>96248709
Stormcrow of course

>Firestarter, Griffin, Thunderbolt, Crusader
>Commando, Enforcer, Archer, Orion
>Ostscout, Ostroc, Ostsol, Charger
>Warhammer, Merlin, Rifleman, Marauder
sorting leftover mechs into lances to be painted in groups. these passable?

>>96248574
Wolverine.

>>96248574
Crab, duh.

>>96248574
Stormcrow is a good one, but since I play Snow Raven I like the Carrion Crow a whole lot too; it is deceptively durable for its tonnage, fast, and a few of the configs make for very dangerous flankers and backstabbers.

>>96246774
There's nothing particularly special about standard BT infantry, and the game has never been even a little consistent about their appearance. Unless you wanna model infantry based on their Field Manual uniforms, I dunno what you want.

>>96249290
6mm cadians work fine so I imagine 28mm cadians ould fit anons desire, though there is no 28mm battletech so the fuck is it for?

>>96249299
There is Battle Troops, plus I was thinking of marking my own game

>>96249299
>so the fuck is it for?
Tactical combat with the RPG?

>>96250204
The rpg is designed to play with the standard 6mm miniatures. It's also meant for you to use mechs, not infantry.

>>96246183
>ACK!

Played the third game of our Rasalhague 3034-campaign yesterday.

The terrain greatly favoured my opponent (Mapsheets rolled were Mountain Lake - Battletech ), allowing for them to basically set up a firebase on the mountain and pummel my approaching 'mechs.

The scenario was 7500 BV, both forces had to bring one Assault 'mech and deploy it before their other forces. Game lasts 8 turns and is decided via points, with points given via

-50 points for crippled/destroyed enemy 'mech
-50 points for destroyed/retreated enemy assault 'mech
-1 point per point of damage dealt by your Assault 'mech (caps at 125 points).

So obviously my opponents Awesome pummeled maximum points from dealing damage, while I managed to take down a Panther as it got a bit too exposed, ammo exploded his Orion, but lost the Hunchback who valiantly charged across open terrain to get up close, and my Marauder got crippled via engine damage.

So on the final turn, my Banshee has been hanging back because fuck trying to get across an open field, taking potshots here and there. I've effectively lost the mission. My opponent decides to jump back with his remaining Panther and Wolverine so I can't get lucky shots at them. The Awesome is overheating and stays still in the Heavy Forest it had been camping in all game. I shoot at the Awesome with everything I have in the hopes of a TAC or like, nothing but CT hits.

An AC/10 and a PPC hit. Pic related shows the hit location rolls.

The Carmine Company salvaged an almost-pristine Awesome after that game...

>>96250563
Nice exciting game!

How much supply/how big of the facility do you need to repair a mech that completely lost a location(s)?

>>96250247
>It's also meant for you to use mechs, not infantry.

The RPG has rules for non-Mech combat, friend.

>>96252202
I notice you worded your statement here in such a way as to dance around my own.
I didn't say that it doesn't have rules for infantry
I said it is NOT MENT FOR YOU TO PLAY INFANTRY.
You play a mechwarrior and as such your miniature wargaming portions of the RPG will be played on a hexmap with standard 6mm scale mechs.

>>96248574
Whichever one the jannies hate the most.

>>96252444
MW1e and 2e make it clear that you're expected to be fighting in Mechs (which is why all of the 2e scenarios have random Mech combat for no reason).

3e at AToW are much more infantry-oriented.

>>96251291
You can do that in any military drop ship using the equipment in the mech transport bay. The exact nature of spare parts isn't usually tracked, but it's safe to assume units will bring what they need to repair all normal battle damage.

>>96252565
And you can also attach structure from other mechs that weigh the same without it actually counting as a frankenmech for rules purposes. When you have to mismatch internal structure weights is when things get awkward.

so...uh...does a union loaded with 12 mechs have any extra space to haul combat vehicle companies?

>>96252825
No. It barely even has enough space to hold extra consumables like armor and ammo for the mechs. You could replace some of the bays with vehicle bays if you wanted to, but it's at maximum capacity by default.

>>96246096

>>96252860
ty, anon.

>>96252618
So... this kind of shit can be legal? When you headshotted a Griffin but you only ran the Wolverine so far for example?

>>96252985
Yes. A GM might impose quirks on it depending on your technicians skill roll, but by RAW the only difference between the internal structure of two mechs of the same weight is whether they have lower arms and hands.