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Power Creep Edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed) (embed)

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

>people losing their shit about mind stone
>it sucks
hmm

>>96232631
It's an untapped 2mv mana rock in monoB with indestructible.
Literally all the other text on it is irrelevant. It's very good.

Ureni the Unwritten is sooooooooo incredibly good. Getting it out with Miirym on the field, along with a copy of Miirym thanks to Deceptive Frostkite? Fuck me, I already have a handful of dragons on the board and now I just looked at the top 24 cards of my deck and threw fucking earthquake dragon, keiga the tide star, and hammerhead tyrant down for free (along with two extra fucking copies of each!) And because I'm playing Temur I already have them all set up for haste, so on attack I search for three more dragons and throw out Atarka World Render, Savage Ventmaw, and Broodcaller Scourge (along with TWO EXTRA COPIES OF EACH!) and now I'm just throwing permanent I have in my hand on the field for free cause I’m sending six dragons with double strike at each player? Fuck me

>>96232618 (OP)
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>No TQ
Retarded OP

>>96232642
Next time make the fucking thread and don't let it sit at 151 for two hours?

>>96232634
It is an auto include in all black decks for the next 2 decades.

>>96232634
arcane signet already sucks, making it indestructible doesn't make it playable

>>96232663
lmao

>>96232618 (OP)
>https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed) (embed)
>no TQ
Jesus christ

>>96232634
How many Dark Rituals does it fit?

>>96232672
And I am going to make it worse next time. And worse the time after. Until the OP is totally fucked and you learn to not let threads reach 151 and stay that way or end up on page 10

>>96232618 (OP)
>>96232634
So I cast Farewell

>TQ: What commander would you build that isn't in the top 1000 on EDHREC?
I already have Bill Ferny and Questing Beast

Just played as the black friend flip guy. What a fucking bastard. You get him out, flip him then suicide someone while everyone suicides you. It totally fucks someone up, crippling them. Great card. The game needs more bastards like it and the lord of pain

>>96232692
Oh and I removed your gay bolas shit from the OP.
Cry about it, lazy boy.

Blood Pet dropped on turn 1.

yorion is a damn sky pirate captain there's so many pirates that ETB treasure

I'm building my first Golgari deck.
Whats an underrated must have Golgari banger I need to sleeve up no matter my decks theme?

>>96232724
I feel savra is still good

>>96232712
into turn 2 basal thrull

>>96232744
into turn three blood vassal

>>96232663
I really am fascinated and would like to know where this anti ramp meme emerged from. It's only been the last 4-5 weeks anyone's been saying it, just curious if it was getting spouted by some sloptuber midwit or if some zoomie/aspie mtg discord had a bunch of off for the summer tards come to this conclusion because of their low power pods.

>xir's still playing 2-mana rocks in two thousand and twenty five
no way

>Order Date July 27, 2025
>Tracking added and shipped today, Aug 1st
Why the fuck are some shops so motherfucking awful? I've had orders process, ship, AND arrive in less time than it took to get this package shipped

>>96232764
all me btw

>>96232764
>I really am fascinated and would like to know where this anti ramp meme emerged from
Boredom? Every now and then some people will just sperg the *fuck* out on one aspect of the game, and it'll be nonstop shit posting for a few weeks. And then it'll disappear as quickly as it showed up

>>96232724
Pernicious is still good despite Culling Ritual had powercrept it.

>>96232768
Leafcuck here. When I order bootlegs from China they respond almost immediately and have it shipped within 4-6 hours of payment clearing. Takes about 9-14 days to arrive, depending on how close to the weekend I order. Meanwhile when I order from the big Canadian stores it takes just as if not more time, and it still costs me almost as much for shipping just for singles. And don't get me started on ordering from Tcgplayer or the US in general.

The Chinese are going to conquer space and frankly they deserve to, given how shit we are at basic fucking commerce.

my friend started playing kefkas laugh on his phone everytime he fucking casts him

>>96232812
BASED

>>96232730
shes still my favorite deck, i wish i could play her without everyone at the table wanting to leave though

>>96232724
Jarad, of course.

>>96232812
Cringe if he just plays the laugh. Based if he also does the fists clenched kefka laugh pose.

>>96232841
you mean the double cock stroke laugh

>friend is starting to become unhinged about UB in the game
>rest of us are secretly making UB heavy decks to trigger him

I chose Rainbow Dash, mostly Boros but with some blue so I can cast Sonic. What's a good way for haste/flying to win? Just keep smashing face?

>>96232618 (OP)
Can't Sol Ring into it, practically worthless.

>>96232853
You picked one of the only UB cards he can call out as not legal.

>>96232853
Pick 14th Doctor and make a doctor who deck. Kills UB-haters dead

Realistically, how many euroshekels do I need to spend to get a deck to play at the local store? Just a precon and sleeves would be fine?

How would abolishing the Reserved List for the original dual lands likely affect Hasbro's short-term revenue versus its long-term shareholder value?

>>96232861
>>96232863
He hates bronies more than UB. He actually beat one up in school once back when they were a thing.

>>96232879
Your friend sounds mentally unwell.

>>96232879
Slicer is such a fun card to play

>>96232869
like 3 people who have their life savings invested in vintage cardboard would have a mental breakdown and everyone else probably wouldnt care that much since they would only be printed as ultra rare chase cards and the overall price wouldnt go down that much

What's a good/fun Commander to play a ton of bounce spells and things like Cowardice?

I don't understand why people continue to run these terrible cards. They just sit there waiting to get blown up by a stray Vandalblast and they don't do anything explosive if you draw them late. You need to cut all your ramp in favor of better cards like Gilded Lotus that do more than just produce 1 mana.
Also remember that green is broken and has no counterplay unless Gavin allows MLD AIEEEEE NO DON'T PLAY THE AFTERMATH ANALYST!!!

>>96232930
why do you guys post these ecelebs if you hate them so much
I wouldn't know who this is if it weren't for these threads

>>96232914
>like 3 people who have their life savings invested in vintage cardboard would have a mental breakdown

But who is more important to Hasbro, cardboard Investors like Rudy, or the shareholders who pay attention to stock value?

>>96232930
okay but what if
just hear me out
your commander dies
and you want to replay it
or, or and this is a really weird edge case that rarely comes up
you have a card that lets you sacrifice an artifact to draw two cards

>>96232934
I find the shitposting around it genuinely funny. Honestly more fun than actually playing the game (because playing the game largely consists of people whining about whoever won).

He's just standing there, menacingly...

>>96232939
Impossible. This literally never happens because your deck should be a generic goodstuff pile that doesn't rely on the commander. If you're recasting your commander you're just overpaying for a card, making it not worth it.

Anyone here play outbreaker? is it fun or is it just insanely broken with tutors.

>>96232964
Oathbreaker has two major issues:
>The planeswalker in the command zone encouraging extremely passive play
>The instant/sorcery in the command zone encouraging you to do a stupid combo with the ability to reuse it infinitely
Now if you're paying close attention, you'll notice that both of these issues are the centerpieces of Oathbreaker.

>>96232930
>I'm saying something I honestly don't believe just for clicks

The mid stone more like

>>96232936
What I find the interesting about these listings is that they never sell

I'm wondering why this is banned before realizing that you can hold priority, untap it with anything and doing it all over again before resolving all the activation, funny card indeed lol.

>>96232974
I feel like it could be nice shuffling a 58 card deck instead of a huge 99-98 pile of bullshit. I do know some people who play, their rule 0 in oathbreaker is no tutors in the signature spell slot. I do like the commander rules with lower card count but the signature spell makes it broken.

>>96232618 (OP)
Does this have a gauntlet card that wins the game if you collect all the stones?

>>96232936
>200k for that shit
this economy is a meme

>>96232936
Do people even cared about serialized card?

>>96232936
hard to say but they probably think its just easier to keep it rather than risking the low chance at a shit storm

>>96232992
not yet.
this will be MTG exodia, they will release 1 stone per capeshit set.
expect thanos/gauntlet in a few years.

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96232992
Will still not be as flavorful as Door to Shadow Realm.

>>96232996
Investor fags and that's about it

>>96232999
yeah the fact they have thanos in the artwork means they just announced they have a full blown marvel license. They will probably do a x men set, fantastic 4 set, avengers set, etc. and then release 1 stone with them as the mythic chase.

>>96233015
>they just announced they have a full blown marvel license.
We have known this since day 1.

>>96232989
>needs to have an untapper
yes and the fact that unlike candelabra this is never used in vintage (basically 60 card edh) proves that it should be unbanned in edh but will never be

>>96233002
>What is your favorite color
Green

wait. FUCK!

>>96233025
meant *tabernacle* but you get my point

>>96233023
well some nerds argued "oh spiderman is sony and the secret lair could be a 1 time thing blah blah" I'm just saying the thanos art just confirms what everyone already assumed will happen

>>96233002
This is what Secret Lair should be all the time.

>>96233037
Did you just invent a guy in your head because I've never seen anyone argue this especially when the secret lair had X-Men and Avengers characters

>>96233037
>Thanos
>When you control seven Infinity Stones with different names, you win the game
easy

can't wait for them to print Dr. Doom as a commander and then make it unplayable

>>96233025
>>96233033
Vintage is a format where you will cast 2+ spells on the first turn very consistently, turning it off in the process effectively making it a cantrip.
EDH has the near-opposite issue where because most people play it in a way based on fucking around for the first 5 turns, chances are it will draw 6+ cards.

>>96232996
>>96233005

to be fair serialized cards are the new unspoken reserve list.

>people are building ragost with food
Why? Just build him with treasure. I don’t understand how everyone has such useless food cards in his deck when he turns everything into food in the first place

>>96233049
given that rdj will be playing dr. doom in a future movie, trust that victor will be heavily pushed

>>96233056
Because EDHRec

>>96232924
I can think of one but itd take 5 seconds to find on scryfall and I dont approve of laziness

>>96233051
>because people durdle, play badly, and don't get punished library should remain banned
yep, exactly my point

>>96233065
The RC literally said it was ez mode to pubstomp with because it was super punishing and because it was a land people ignored it so they banned it to protect morons from themselves.

Would you let someone use a "wish board" if they showed you everything in it?

>>96233059
Just had to look this up. Do people really?

>>96233070
>Do people really netdeck
Yes.

>>96233057
I hope so anon gimme a sultai Dr Doom with fun abilities and a Comic book showcase art

>>96233067
the RC also said panoptic mirror was broken so yeah so much for those guys
it's just one of those cards that should be a GC but isn't by fiat, just like sol ring should be banned but it isn't, also by fiat
it is what it is lol

>>96233057
>given that rdj will be playing dr. doom in a future movie
Considering how slow it takes them to make films these days, he'll be dead or 70+ by the time they get their shit together to do it.
Could build the great wall in less time than it takes to make a blockbuster film these days.

>>96233048
Nah it should be the gauntlet itself, thanos should let you search for the gauntlet

>>96232936
No one's bought this its meaningless hes just hoping

>>96233056
I wanna build him with treasure nabber and hellkite tyrant to steal people's sol rings and fling them back with lifelink

>>96233056
Yeah thats weird I think i have 1 token generator (academy manufactor) and then battle of bywater and crumb and get it in my list. People are dumb.

>>96233077
I mean I guess that's fair enough. The original reason for P9 ban was also fiat rather than the fact they're fucking miserable cards.

>>96233089
nuka-cola vending machine is a must add for ragost imo

>>96233089
How does he play? 3 dmg seems a bit rough. I wish he was removal as well

>>96233070
People should really look for a good primer to read instead of looking at data and stats so that they can get a solid grasp of what the commander can actually do.

>all this marvel talk
ok who among here is old enough to remember this?

>>96233056
I won with a platinum angel and nettle-cyst tonight. Treasure is definitely the way to go . He’s honestly not a very good commander though

So is this another One of One Ring thing?

>>96233108
Oh I membah. Membah seeing people play it at an old LGS I used to go to when I played Yugioh.

>>96233064
Honestly I was thinking Vivi, what were you thinking anon?

>guy endlessly seethes because I stole control of his Kotis commander

not so fun now huh?

>>96232991
The problems run deeper than just tutors. I'll use picrel as an example because while it's not as good as real Oathbreaker combos (which are generally a cheap walker and a spell that wins the game), I think it illustrates the point more concisely.
You have an oathbreaker that will just tick up every turn until they press their "I win" button, and their signature spell is a tool that makes it extremely difficult to contest this on the board. It's not a particularly fun play pattern because if you look at the enemy command zone you already have 90% of the game played out.

>>96233113
THINK OF THE SALES

>>96233138
Lmao.
I hate playing with theft because I’m always worried about people’s disgusting, careless hands honestly

>>96233146
You may have OCD

>>96233146
Same desu.
I'm a hypochondriac so I don't like other people touching my stuff

>>96233002
wait, when did the Monty Python collaboration have a

>>96233146
>>96233150
I will chew on your cards and there is nothing you can do about it.
Grixis tastes the best

Why the fuck is this version of Isolated Chapel 30-35 dollars?

>>96233152
Oh god. Candle jack got h

>>96233146
i will bend every card you own you give me access to
what you gonna do about it bitch

>>96233159
Go to prison for 20 to life.

>>96233156
No, you wont

>>96232936
No one actually buys Magic cards valued at $1000+ unless they're dumb and hoping to flip it. It's a giant ponzi scheme.

>>96233149
idk if i would call it ocd to not want someone to touch your cards especially at a LGS where I watch people shamelessly down 3,000 calories of greasy ass KFC wipe their hands on their shirts and continue to play

>>96233181
This. I have to watch people play before I decide they’re worth sitting down with. People are genuinely nasty

>>96233053
What does this even mean

>>96233177
>It's a giant ponzi scheme.

Citation needed.

>>96233186
How do they reprinting serialized cards without destroying brand reputation?

>>96233113
Probably not. Once the One Of gets cracked the buying fever stops and nobody buys packs to just hold onto them forever (increasing artificial scarcity while driving up box prices) because everyone knows there's no chance of finding it.

Serializing however has a similar effect on normieshits and encourages far more buying and hoarding.

>>96233188
Common sense and seeing that little to none of these listings actually sell doesn't need citing.

>>96233188
It's different completely though because the card still gets reprinted, the serialized card just doesn't. Blood crypt is not an expensive card.

The issue with the reserved list is locking mechanically unique cards , that's not what's happening here. Serialization is just an attempt for them to get people to give a shit about the game and to bait whales into spending $ in packs. Nobody actually cares about them.

And as others have said these listings never sell. It's not either a ponzi scheme or it's massive speculation

>>96232853
>All but one of my friends hate the FF set because “UB is killing the game”
>All of them got a shitload of LotR and the Doctor Who precons when those came out, and have all put a shitload of money aside for SM and Last Airbender
>Make a Vivi deck because I pulled 3 between prerelease and Gift Bundle and work colleague gave me a good number of Izzet cards in exchange for 2 for their Standard deck
>One friend who loves Izzet decks refuses to play against ‘Japanese slop’, other friends are in a similar boat about playing against decks with FF cards in them or as commanders but ‘tolerate’ them for now
Be thankful it’s only one friend spazzing out anon, and absolutely based pick to mine salt from your friend. Wish we could swap friend groups for a day: yours sounds like fun. As much as I’d hate to do it, I’m becoming increasingly tempted to make Vivi a cEDH deck to really mindfuck them. Anyone have any other ideas to mentally rape them into submission?

>>96233218
Your friends sound like tremendous faggots of they bought Dr who but not final fantasy

>>96232997
What shit storm? Any lawsuit anyone would try to file against them would be thrown-out immediately given there’s no binding contract from WotC that says ‘we’ll never reprint these cards again’. It’s only a verbal one. That being said, I think they’re keeping the abolishment of the reserve list as a ‘break in case of emergency’ thing for if the game really loses steam once they’ve run-out of UBs people want and/or they can get access to.

10 year Modern veteran here who just got into EDH this week, I'm really enjoying the hell out of this format. Built Tifa, Light-Paws and Tergrid.

>>96233223
Fake EDH players will insist you're not playing real EDH.

>>96233223
oh no

>>96232800
Fellow leaf here. What chinamen do you order from? Ordered from some before but the proxies were shitty enough quality you could tell they were fake even from a sideways glance.

>>96233229
They have been at every single turn.
As a "toxic" Modern player, I've been thoroughly enjoying how many people I can get to scoop and just give up.

>>96233233
nta, but I still think it's funny how the one time I ordered proxies, you could tell they were fake because they looked and felt drastically higher-quality than the real cards.

>>96233223
Faggot

>>96233223
>imagine not quitting modern the moment modern horizons was announced
i quit that format a long time ago
to me it ended in ravnica allegiance

>>96233220
I mentioned it in a previous thread, but aside from highschool friends and the one in the main group who did the FF prerelease with me, they all have massive anti-Japanese hate boners and I have no idea where it has come from. They grew up with Pokemon, YuGiOh, DBZ, etc. like me and some were fine with it up to Covid so I have no idea what the hell happened during that time for them to turn so violently against it.

>>96232699
To get rid of a 2cmc mana rock?

>>96233239
The fact picrel shares a spot on the toxic card list with Rhystic Study kinda shows the mentality a lot of EDH players have where they actually want to play show-and-tell rather than a multiplayer game.
It's just that EDH players are generally all new (read: bad) players so it results in a bad combination of very rigid expectations without any knowledge of even basic counterplay against many strategies, which results in a lot of complaining.
Some mfs really need to play against Lantern Control.

What do you think the others stone will be?
>Green: +1/+1 counters or landfall
>White: gain life or creature token
>Blue: draw cards or proliferate
>Red: burn or impulse draw or extra turn you lose

Zidane Typal
Zidane Kindred

>>96233108
that's nothing, get a load of this

Anyone ever say "fuck it" and try out chatGPT to build a deck? I've had the beginnings of a Celes Combo list for awhile, but just couldn't figure out what the real meat needed to be, besides the obvious Persis creatures. Ended up asking the bot to make a deck, and, after cleaning up ~12 cards, its actually not a horrible list. Needs some serious optimizing, but, for a list to proxy out for testing? not bad.
>https://archidekt.com/decks/14975161/celes_chatgpt

>>96233303
It's usually built out of older cards and has some flaws. Unfortunately I still rate it above a lot of EDHtuber "deck fixing" advice which should tell you everything when ChatGPT will often name cards that don't exist or make nonsensical manabases.

>>96233303
Why are mardu players like this?

>>96232943
was there a bigger wet fart than the omnath build up and payoff in MTG history?

>>96233324
>gets raped by phyrexians
sad

>>96233318
I'm not a mardu player, hence why I said fuck it and tried it out. Stack interaction and combo lines from spells I grasp easily, but trying to find a mix of creatures, outlets, and reanimation spells for Celes was driving me insane
>>96233309
yeah. some of the cards i had to rip out made 0 sense, like Grinding Station (no artifacts to recur outside of Masticore) and Vexing Bauble (anti-synergy with Celes)

>>96233324
>gained black so now he's le evil
They could actually do something cool with it for once.

>>96233303
>>96233309
Just reviewed the deck and, very unfortunately, it is still better than a lot of human-made decks I see.
Main issue is obviously it's very good at putting creatures into the graveyard then not so good at getting them out (which should be the larger focus of the 99 given that the commander puts them there for you). Impact Tremors/Warleader's Call are very greedy picks since their exact use-case is when you already have a GY loop established (i.e. you are already winning).
Not really sure why I'm going over all this since you probably recognize these issues too, but it really is better than a human-made deck because I'd probably see a ton more winmore cards and shit that literally doesn't work like attempts at reanimating tokens.

>>96233324
MtG "writing" makes a lot more sense if you interpret literally everyone as an aura farmer where they're not actually trying to do anything useful.

>>96232943
>>96233324
look how they massacred my boy

>>96233359
Entire event was a humiliation ritual for everyone involved - legends pointlessly killed off for drama, planeswalkers desparked (This is a good thing however), phyrexians cartoonishly jobbed.

>>96233348
yeah. cleaning it up will 100% be more recursion and searching to get to (ideally) Redcap, or an engine like Blasting/Altar+Persist. I wonder if sticking to the current ratios, and instead upping the quality of cards would be a good point to start? Like, swapping out the greedy enchantments for more grindy/control ones like Smothering Tithe or Ghostly Prison. And I 100% need some actual interaction, that isn't that fucking REB, especially when Tibalt's Trickery is RIGHT THERE.

>>96233363
don't forget that the phyrexian process can be reversed now.
the power of friendship is truly something else

>>96233363
>Coolest of the 5 Dinos gets infected, and IMMEDIATELY makes it everyone's problem
>Omnath, the literal soul of Zendikar, just fucking dies
>The Weatherlight as a fuck you to everything the crew stood for
>My boy Venser, who has done everything in his power to try and help people, already betrayed by that bastard Koth, turned into an actual joke of a card
>Komi and Toski both compleated, but never actually recieved cards, despite both being huge figures for Kaldheim

>>96233381
They at least made a good effort to explain each way to reverse Phyresis. Nissa and Ajani had to undergo super-surgery that literally killed one person and de-sparked the other, and left them both fucked up. Nahiri got caught in a deus-ex-machina by giving up her spark thinking she was killing everything only to get hit by the angel dust.
Jace and Vraska were the bullshit one, but it at least made sense when you remember it was ALSO a super-surgery, and the mental bullshit Jace pulled was nothing compared to his long list of asspulls and plans.

>>96232936
only thing holding them back is that they made a legally questionable assertion of maintaining the value of the cards by not reprinting them in any way except gimmick not legal versions or "premium". They didn't understand marketing or retail products enough to realize how fucking retarded that was in 1996. Still they had a loophole but then double downed on it like retards in 2010 when they still had a window to avoid some turbo autist lawsuit because premium was workable enough for limited once only drops like the From the Vault was doing in 2010 with relics. If they held firm they would be able to drop reserve list cards in secret lairs as the random drop and then increase the price even more. Or do like the one ring where there is a super rare serial version of it in a set where only a few hundred are printed.

there aren't enough saga creatures, especially ones that cost 3 or less

>>96233002
I can't believe I missed this, holy shit...

>>96232812
"Whoa, dude, is that the Sonic.exe laugh? That's so cool."

anyone have experience using UPS stores for printing? The local OfficeMax just shut down, so I can't go there for my proxies anymore. What does the pricing look like? Can they do card stock?
>inb4 buy a printer
gotta save up, bills come first. but tossing $5-10 towards a decklist to test is fine enough

>go to local game shop
>get a loaner deck
>look at tables
>two tables full of tranners
>join old guy with his kid and another old guy
>have a nice evening

Wtf I thought the trannies were a terminal online thing lol

>>96233557
I play with a tranny pod. They're fun ngltbhbbq

>>96232702
That aren't in the top one thousand? Who even keeps track that far down the list?

>>96233112
He looks cool, but unless you do something else like a sub theme of burning on artifact entry I don't know how well he'll be able to close out a game.

>>96233381
I guess expect when it's a cool creature like Etali or Onnath.

>was literally thinking just the other day that eventually WotC will (and shoul) power creep the diamond because there’s no reason for them to enter tapped
>money’s paw curls

are 40 lands (34+6mdfc) to much or enough in a gruul deck with landfall subtheme (4 landfall payoffs, 4 extra land per turn cards)?

>>96233810
correction, it's 5+5 payoffs / extra land drops

>>96233810
Never played this theme but it doesn't seem like a lot. I play 37-38 in non-landfall decks.

was gonna be a good goy and get a new precon,fuckers doubled the price overnight,fuck them aint buying shit

>>96233710
Lifelink the shrimp and Aetherflux Reservoir

I really hope WotC puts more MLD in precons.

How many lands does WotC put in their Precons, anyway?

>>96233884
why ask a question you can answer yourself within seconds you lazy fuck?

>>96233892
I assume it varies and two Google searches is entirely too much effort

>>96233810
Probably about right, but remember Green has the greatest access to land tutoring so youre probably going to make land drops just fine

>>96233810
I don't really understand why landfall decks would want 40+ lands. it's not like you want to top deck just a land but rather a spell that lets you get lands from the deck or multidraw spells and you won't really run out of lands noticably faster if you have say 38 versus 42. if you literally have over 30 lands on the field you should be winning anyway

>>96232930
Buy an add nigger

>>96232930
AD
NOW

>>96233913
My big boi here says he wants 50 lands

I'm surprised I let this deck sit on my shelf for so long
All 3 commanders are super neat.

I forgot about commander damage… while playing zenos yay galvus

>>96233278
green will double counters or place +1/+1 counters equal to something's strength i know it

>>96233278
Red will be a repeatable chaos warp.

>>96233946
i played it with tawnos abusing paradox engine and then they banned it :(

>>96233913
Because you run utility lands that don’t tap for mana

>>96234009
And so you gave up?
Bitchmade

>>96234050
I take it back I literally did the same thing now that I think about it only with pic related.
I have never been so happy for a ban as when I had to take paradox out of that deck and then the deck fell apart anyway

>>96234041
aight that's fair

>>96233913
every deck wants 40+ lands, but once you're over 40 a lot of those lands should be MDFCs

>>96233002
Unironically peak flavor

>>96233113
>Its the god awful piss foils from Aetherdrift again
>>96233392
Heliod’s dead for real this time and so is pretty much every Maestro on New Capenna. Also I should have known they wouldn’t have the balls to do it but at one point I thought that the Compleated walkers would only regain their senses but be unable to turn back, instead becoming the new Praetors and isolating Phyrexia from the multiverse again.

The person who wins is almost always the person who chooses to not interact with the board the entire game.

>>96233048
this ability sucks though

https://moxfield.com/decks/X4ECj0GcV0OswgmD7kACkw
What do you guys think? I was operating under the following limitations:
>budget ~$200
>no fetchlands/minimal shuffling
>no easy staples like swords to plowshares
>no mana rocks
it looks pretty fun to me, lots of ways to generate value and lots of chains where i'm reanimating something like a karmic guide which reanimates something else

What are your favorite token generators in BG?

>>96232988
>establish average price
>insure
>loan against it

>>96234229
I want to play insidious roots so bad but have no home for it

>>96233465
Use MPC

Finally got to play Shantotto last night. I didn't expect her to be able to storm off with 4 mana spells, I got her power to 48.

What is she being slept on?

>>96234626
You said this last thread

>>96234516

Been meaning to build her, got a list?

>sell singles to LGS
>they appraise it at several dollars below market average
>then offer to buy for 70%
>do not negotiate
I'm getting so fucking tired of this bros.
I understand they have to make money, I'm fine selling for less than it's worth, but I'm so fucking sick of getting lowballed on the appraisal.

>>96234725
Sell it on ebay kid

>>96234725
Then sell it on your own. It's easier than ever now

>>96233689
Do they make you recite their pronouns?

Can you tell which one is a man?

I feel like this is being slept on super hard
There is a ton of temporary clone stuff in red that he makes permanent at the end of turn. So you play a warrior tribal deck that is focused on making phones of your own creatures and doubling value. Seems pretty good to me, that's a unique ability.

>>96234725
Thats pretty normal, if you want full price sell yourself.

>>96234759
I am a nice person so I use what they prefer. I don't understand the second question at all.

>>96234730
>>96234734
I might have to.
>>96234792
Are you fucking illiterate?
>I'm fine selling for less than it's worth, but I'm so fucking sick of getting lowballed on the appraisal.
I don't care about getting full price, I care about the LGS shaving dollars off their appraisal before then offering me 70%
If a card has averaged $14 over the last month with no serious dips, appraise it close to $14. Don't tell me it's worth 10 and then offer me 7.

Bros...

>>96234877
Thank god the alt art is good because they really trannified the front face of the default art

>>96234877
too bad the other sides art sucks

>>96234890
It has booba and ass

>>96234897
No?

>>96233157
SLD, so limited print run

>>96234886
>posting the edited version

>>96233157
>>96234935
SLD and a bonus card from a lair almost no one bought because the weeping angel lair was hot fucking garbage. WOTC also didn't leak the bonus card at all, so you never had a chance to buy this from them unless you just happened to buy that lair no one bought.
So there are likely far less copies of them out there.

>>96234877
why yes I am building her as an excuse to run this art, how could you tell?

>>96234973
Probably not a great reason since you'll have the card flipped 90% of the time

My hot take is to ban farewell. The card just wastes so much time and always just resets the game. Instead of being a one sided wipe, it is weirdly frequently used as a tool by pubstompers as a tutor target. The mass exile wrecks lower power decks without any hope to rebuild. It adds an hour to games at points. It’s not good enough for cEDH and ruins casual games.

Ban roaming throne

>>96234854
You aren't getting lowballed, 70% is above average for what stores usually offer, and thats only if its store credit. People sell to local game stores because its fast an convenient, not because its a good deal.

>>96234988
There's a reason pawn stars got mocked for that for 17+ years. Because people think it is insulting and retarded

>>96234985
>overextending faggot gets punished
>REEE MY FRIED DOPAMINE RECEPTORS HATE THIS
If you hate it so much, play Curse of Silence effects.

>>96234725
>no its not worth that ill keep them
You dont have to sell them to lgs!

>>96234988
>You aren't getting lowballed, 70% is above average
READ NIGGA
>>96234854
>I don't care about getting full price, I care about the LGS shaving dollars off their appraisal before then offering me 70%
>If a card has averaged $14 over the last month with no serious dips, appraise it close to $14. Don't tell me it's worth 10 and then offer me 7.
>I don't care about getting full price, I care about the LGS shaving dollars off their appraisal before then offering me 70%
>If a card has averaged $14 over the last month with no serious dips, appraise it close to $14. Don't tell me it's worth 10 and then offer me 7.
>I don't care about getting full price, I care about the LGS shaving dollars off their appraisal before then offering me 70%
>If a card has averaged $14 over the last month with no serious dips, appraise it close to $14. Don't tell me it's worth 10 and then offer me 7.

>>96234988
I weep for you if you consider 70% above average

>>96234996
You mean play blue and run 25 counters
Which I do.

>>96234998
It's just easier trading in for store credit and getting cards on the spot instead of waiting for shipping. But I'm tired of getting lowballed ever fucking time.

I might sell online as other anons suggested. I recently cracked a $40 card in a pack, and when I tried to sell it the guy at the LGS said he couldn't do 30 for it because "no one buys it"

>>96234980
Fair point, however I'm still gonna do it.

>>96235008
This extends the game much more than a single farewell dipshit

>>96235027
I counter your reply.

>>96232930
im not watching your videos retard

>>96234626
Outshined by the Temur dragon in the same precon. Eshki is a good value engine but Ureni with a haste enabler is often backbreaking.

>>96235008
This is the kind of faggot that hates Farewell lmao. Loves UBslop, dislikes Seb Mackdaddyinnon, hates his girlfriend's alpha boyfriend. I'm going to pretend your trolling so I don't have to live with the fact people like you exist.

>>96235057
You WILL watch my shitty videos with 10k views

What are some your favite Golgari token makers?

>>96235064
I'm not gonna go to scryfall and download your prefered image. Whatever I got on my harddrive is what you get.

>>96233557
mtg is infested with them my guy, HTR hit nerds like crack hit the ghettos

>>96235068
64 insects/35 lands makes for a fun time

>>96233069
Yea but id go into the game under the assumption its gonna be full of BS

>>96235068
I want to play insidious roots so bad but have no home for it

>>96235008
>>96235064
I'm not reading the full argument but I will say that Princess Bride was the most aesthetically pleasing UB product of all time.

>playing in a pod
>w*men sits down with koma
>she gets pissy as fuck whenever you try to interact with koma
>gives me a deathglare when I path the retard snake
we wanted women in this hobby?

>>96234985

Crying about Farewell is a 100% sign that you're a shit player.

>>96235113

Nothing with real people is aesthetically pleasing.

>>96234985
all farewell does is punish players that vomit their hand on the board every turn(and graveyard trannies).

>>96235136
Well you'd be wrong cause the princess UB is very nice

>>96235064
>dislikes Seb Mackdaddyinnon
so do i, his "art" is garbage and doesn’t fit mtg.

>>96235119
>implying there aren't people with Y chromosomes that act like this or even worse
Granted I haven't met many women who play, but out of the 5 there's maybe one I would avoid.

Farewell should be a GC. Change my mind.

>>96235109
Yeah you say that already

>>96235109
I've had great success with it in my Urtet deck. Tap a bunch of myr to activate Urtet 2-3 times in the main phase, then untap everything at combat and swing

>all these value crutch fags complaining about Farewell
Just stop overextending holy shit

>>96235181
>Yeah you say that already
sar

>>96235189
This but cyclonic rift.

maybe il just make a WoL proxy for syr gwyn and do knight tribal
i really dont wanna play jodah just to use the WoL

>>96235158
So true anon! I love baiting on a Saturday morning! Who needs hobbies lol my dopamine is too fried for those

You don't have to play every card in your hand

>>96235236
But I wanna

They need to make a dragon ball SLD so that some nerd of etsy will start making a Kame House deck box. I want one.

>>96235236
you are correct

>>96235236
I just did.

>>96235172
Farewell should have never been printed IMO.

>>96235061
I suppose that makes some sense but it's definitely not what I expected seeing as how ureni is 7 cmc

I'm thinking of making a Sliver deck for my casual pod since I pulled Thrumming Hivepool. From what I understand, they can get super strong quick and you become an immediate target. Is Sliver unfun for opponents and does it have a reputation like land destruction, or do you guys think it'll be alright?

>>96235312
it has a reputation for needing to eat boardwipes every couple of turns or it gets out of hand, and being either dumping your hand constantly or getting nothing.

>>96235312
Sliver mightve been strong 10 years ago when it actually had more lord effects than other tribes i feel like every tribe can essentially be slivers now there are so many buffs. In my experience (playing against it) it still had the reputation for the other 2 in the pod but it was not very strong.

>>96235236
You also don't need to cast your general on curve.

>>96235119
Investors did.

>>96234877
Oh boy, I can’t wait for them to make an Ezio for Spider Heroes or just randomly reskin Jodah again

>>96235167
Without fucking fail the XXs I've seen in Magic are either dating the store owner, or massive hypochondriacs who claims to have all kinds of allergies and chronic illnesses.

>>96235312
Sliver decks are fun
Unfortunately, people's threat assessment makes playing them harder than it should be.

>>96235519
>wtf why you targeting me bro???? I barely have anything!
1 turn later
>okay, I swing for 34, trample, flying, deathtouch, doublestrike

>Zask tripled in price the past couple weeks
I better see some actual insect decks now

>>96235189
Farewell should cost at least 7CMC. It is perfectly fine design space but too cheap as a selective mass exile. That's why it should be a GC.

>>96235540
And this is exactly what retarded people think

>great colors
>IMMEDIATE value
>flicker-able
>keeps people from activating their bullshit
>non-tranny art
So why shouldn't I play this?

>>96235605
its one of those decks that sounds fun in theory but makes you instant archenemy and its not really strong enough to deal with that most of the time
t. had a lavinia deck

>>96235558
>after posting this picture my file explorer broke and I had to restart my PC
Guess my computer had a bug

>>96233233
The Ron group. I used to order from BLM but the US nonsense made shipping too expensive. He's still the best curator of high quality boots.

Personally I just go with Jason Lung/Black Lotus. Extremely cheap and easy and I've never gotten a dud from him.
https://old.reddit.com/r/bootlegmtg/wiki/index

>>96235605
I mean you can, you're just going to be playing 1v3 all game.

>>96233233
Bartleby would kill you for being such a poorfaggot as to proxy.

>>96235732
Bartleby sold out, of course he would be anti proxy.

ABP
Always Be Proxyin

>>96235181
you asked that already also tho

I want to make a BS stax deck that owns the table and punishes ramp and combo players like you wouldn't believe. Is this Esper genny a good way to go?

Does this count as MLD

>>96235594
Retarded for letting you do it, sure.

>>96235901
Nah he is right. Slivers are a mid tier tribe these days. I'd fear the zombie or dino fag more.

>>96232818
Got a list?

>>96235849
if you have to ask then YES, YOU CAN'T PLAY UNFUN CARDS BELOW B4

>>96235930
But it is a fun card, so long as you aren't a dirty blue mage.

>105 Dollars
I wonder if this thing will be like 600 dollars by 2030.

>>96235945
people wont give a shit about this game in 2030

>>96233278
Green
>(4)(G), tap, Sacrifice two lands
>8 - You may play two additional lands on each of your turns, and you may play lands from your graveyard.

Blue
>(4)(U), tap, discard an instant or sorcery spell
>8 - At the beginning of your upkeep, draw two additional cards, then you may cast any instant or sorcery spell from your hand for or graveyard without paying its mana cost. If you cast a card from your graveyard this way, exile it.

White
>(3)(W)(W)(W), tap, pay half your life rounded up
>8 - At the beginning of your upkeep, gain a life for every land you control, then if any player controls more land than you do, search your library for a basic Plains card and put it in your hand, then shuffle.

Red
>(2)(R)(R)(R)(R), tap, sacrifice creatures with a total combined power of 20
>8 - Tap, (R): put a 1/1 red Scout creature with haste onto the battlefield. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only once per turn as a sorcery and only on your turn.

>>96235951
kek it do be like that

>>96235172
I don't care about Farewell, its a 6 mana sorcery of course it blows your board away. Stop overextending, I'm not gonna apologize for dismantling your jank engine.

>>96235973
This but crop rotation and half the other game changers.

>>96235976
I didn't even know crop rotation was a GC, what a fucking joke.

>go to 3 box stores and 2 lgs
>EoE completely sold out
I thought this set was doa dog shit

>>96235973
>Farewell does not change the game

>>96233303
Does chatgpt even know about new cards? I thought its knowledge stopped at like 2023 or something.

>>96234769
Nah, you want those warriors to get sac'd for all the death triggers. Why do I need a bunch of 1/1s to stay on the board when they can just remove anything my opponents already playing when they die?

>>96235993
It has literally NO bearded wizards so it is garbage. Where are my elfs and castles?

>>96235943
what does blue have to do with anything? every color plays instant speed. it's 2020 and 5

>>96232800
>no targets
Does it mean it bypasses hexproof and protections?

>>96235993
wotc has lowered the bar so hard that shit like "space magic" will sell as long as it isn't MKM or Aetherdrift

>>96236028
Because people like space a lot.

>>96235993
Investors desu

What kind of artifact density do I need to support this?

>>96235732
Tamers stopped making SU to make MLP content for troons because he makes more money that way. In doing so he got his original channel which has been operating for years shit canned because Youtube were true SU fans and knew the golden age was gone so they buried it. Instead of rebuilding his channel Tamers continued making MLP content leaving hardcore fans to try and reload all the old videos he paywalled on Patreon.

Bartleby was based rich, not Jewish rich, but nuTamers changed all that by going full Shekelstein mode so what Bartleby thinks doesn't matter because he is dead, just like SU.

>>96235993
Its extremely powercrept. Warp is a busted mechanic and every black deck wants that new uncommon.

>>96233223
glad to hear you're having fun. keep that up anon, don't you ever let them change you...

>>96235605
Haste defeats this

>>96236087
>warp is busted
Lmao what

>>96236087
>evoke but LESS GOOD is busted
lmao

>>96236142
Not you again lmfao

>>96236142
Its evoke but better doe

>>96236167
>>96236166
>better
>enters and then exiles itself
>can't be warped again from exile
>can't be reanimated (literally the best part about Evoke)
>less things care about things going into exile
yeah, it's worse. "fixed" is probably the right word

This one seems quite good, but losing the ability to chump sucks.

>>96236169
It's better

Evoke is better if you care about death triggers or reanimation. Warp is better in all other contexts. Warp is not broken though, that's retarded. Also Warp cards are GENERALLY worse than evoke cards, in terms of what the cards do.

>>96236171
>Another Breya card
10/10

>>96236190
>Evoke is better if you care about death triggers or reanimation
you mean the only thing that makes Evoke good? Concession accepted.

>lol the set is selling like hotcakes guys
>lol all the mechanics are fucking dog water trash guys
which is it

>>96236171
Yeah, this is quite good. Going for a decent chunk too.

>>96236201
>not as good as a broken, format warping other mechanic
>dogshit
there's literally more than that in the world, anon. Warp is fine. Evoke was the broken one and this is a significantly better version in terms of not being game ruining (See: Fury, Solitude, and Grief)

>>96236201
Both can be true
The set is selling because of shocks and ancient tomb

>>96236196
It's not a concession, I'm a neutral 3rd party. If you can't reanimate or don't care about death triggers warp IS better.

>>96236190
You're like actually retarded

>>96236201
Really weird argument dude. A set can be strong and high demand even if the mechanics are mid. Set mechanics don't drive or stall sales lmao

investor cardgame btw.

>>96236201
>/edhg/ is three people, the observer, the pro, and the anti
gb2 plebbit fagballs.

>>96236223
Why?

>>96235605
Most players abuse etc because activated abilities require thought

Do you run them all in yorion? imo

>>96236211
Are you implying Grief would be more balanced if people ran Kaya's Ghostform to bypass Warp instead of Not Dead After All to bypass Evoke?

>>96236220
No no no anon, it's always worse all the time. Fuck judging cards in relation to the strength of your deck. Everything MUST be either as good as the best mechanics ever printed, or it is worthless.

Warp is worse than Evoke because there is no Ingot Chewer equivalent

>>96236245
>1 card to bypass Warp
>requires 2 colors
>vs 20 different 1-2 cost spells that do it for dying
yes, if Grief had Warp it would be less broken.

>>96236363
>2 colors
Anon!?

>>96236374
Whoops, I mistook it for one of those shitty Orzhov spells. My bad, so reevaluating, yes, if the only option was 1 singular card that could do it versus the extreme amount that can do it otherwise (Kaya does both, but the point is if we're working with Warp, there's only that one in Black iirc) I'd much prefer that. 4 Griefs + 4 Kaya is pretty extreme still, but having Not Dead After All, Malakir Rebirth, etc etc etc just makes it worse. Evoke is stronger as is.

>>96236374
Need a functional reprint of Kaya's Ghostform without the Kaya desu. Fuck, cut the 'planeswalker' part, because that's gay.

>>96236374
>doesn't have flash
wait, you can't fucking use this to protect Grief anyway until it's already been reanimated/hard cast
Fucking retard.

gotta love it when people are UNABLE to follow the replychain beyond 1 post

>>96236424
Not reading all that. Can you sum it up for me in keywords?

>>96236432
go ask chatgpt

>>96236387
Rakdos scam only ran Not Dead After All and Malakir Rebirth, and the latter was usually not a 4x because the backside was a tapland. I guess you could make an argument that it ran Persist but that was more to get a 6/5 dinosaur that discovers 5.

Delve is a stupid mechanic, I love it so much.

>>96236448
>Addresses every single word in a sentence with a paragraph of text over-analyzing it.
I thought this shit was supposed to summarize things for me what the hell

>>96236460
learn how to use that glorified search engine then

>>96236460
Chatgpt has turned pretty retarded over the years. It's the ouroboros issue of AI slop eating its own tail at this point.

>>96236496
AI craves the slop like mankind itself...

>>96236496
>>96236505
ppl are just too stupid to use it. just like how they can't follow a replychain

How do I stop trolling myself by keeping 2 landers

>>96234985
Why not just run interaction to counter it?

>>96236606
Run more lands.

>>96236606
>only 2 lands? That must mean I'm due for lands, they're definitely coming up next
>draws zero lands for 5 turns in a row

>>96236613
3 colors can not interact with it.

>go to draft
>someone's having the conversation "yeah I'm just so glad we're done with final fantasy, it's good we're back in an actual mtg setting. except aetherdrift though."
>look him in the eye and say "yeah it's so great to play magic again. anyway I make four robots and have them man my space station."
>"well I mean if you put it that way" is all he can muster
I get not liking UB, completely understandable. but really, have a little consistency.

>>96236606
just sacrifice them

>>96236642
Where is the inconsistency?

>>96236637
>every color should be able to answer everything
not how the pie works, ubtourist

final fantasy was the best set in years and I've never pretended otherwise

>>96236622
I am not going over 38 in any given deck unless its dedicated landfall.

>>96236606
you don't, ou just add in the 2 mana multidraw spells

>>96236729
39 is the sweetspot.

>>96236766
this but 38

35 is right

>>96236637
>3 colors can't interact with it
>counterspell for blue
>flicker/Lapse of Certainty for white
>tibalt's trickery for red
I don't play black so I can't speak for them, maybe they do got it rough against exile in mono, but mono green you should have enough ramp to recover from a board wipe with some big stomping guys pretty easily. Also what the fuck are the other two players doing at the table during all this? Surely one of you guys has some sort of interaction, right?

2.5 lands in my opening hand
35% of drawing a land
ez

>>96236766
38 does great for me... when I don't keep 2 land hands (with no ramp) like an idiot.

>>96236700
It got me into the game and I've really been enjoying myself honestly. Looking back at old sets and seeing shit I need to buy to beef up Cloud Tifa and Cid in my deck has been fun

>>96236697
>Why don't you interact with it?
>Because most colors can not
>Well that's not how the color pie works!
Why do you even type if you're too stupid to read one post back?

>>96236729
>>96236766
>>96236796
For me, it's 37 with a fuck ton of draw

>>96236811
Red having exactly one card that can interact with it isn't exactly what I would call an interaction package. Granted I'll excuse you on that because I know lots of people that do genuinely think having one card in their 99 is an adequate amount of interaction for the whole game.

>>96233208
>Blood crypt is not an expensive card

yeah but my Blood crypt is serialized and will never be printed again and is therefore inherently more valuable than your mass printed non-serialized version.

SEVEN
FUCKING
MARVEL SETS

>>96236839
you deserve to get punished

>>96235805
Please respond.

>>96235849
No.

>>96236864
Seven? Jesus. You would think they'd cap at like 4 tops.
Though I'll freely admit I'm part of the problem because I'm absolutely going to make a Gambit focused deck with card discard and throwing gimmicks if one of the sets is X-Men themed because he's always been my favorite comic character ever since I was a kid

>>96236851
I'm going to assume you're being sincere here and just ask if you've considered blowing up their lands? It's a fair strategy to stall people from huge spells while you get answers or punch face. Some people might not care for it but it's a viable choice to keep momentum on your side

>>96236885
Here's hoping they don't make Gambit an utter flavour-fail card that leaves a sour taste in your mouth because it's barely relevant to the character it's depicting.

>>96236911
Dangerously based response

>>96236864
Says whomst?

>>96236811
stromgald cabal

>>96236942
>one for each Infinity Gem (fuck you MCU)
>big crossover set at the end
mark my words

>>96236911
can't do that in bracket 3 so it should be banned instead

>>96236942
probably just because theres 6 infinity stones

>>96236923
I'm going to be really disappointed if he is, man. He's the one marvel guy I really hope gets great treatment and has well fitting colors like Dimir or Esper or something

>>96236992
>every color gets a powercrept arcane signet
grim

>>96236994
he'll be Boros because he uses equipment

>>96236960
Oh see, there ya go. Should have figured Black would have at least something since they always do against me, ha

>>96236994
Off the top of my head, I imagine he'd probably be something like, ping when you discard ('pitching' cards -> explosions), and that's pretty simple, conceptually.

>>96236994
>>96237009
I curse thee to get a gambit that throws equipment

>>96237009
Sure he uses equipment but he's also involved in a lot of Thieves Guild stuff and tends to fight in more clever ways than brute force. I could see them maybe having him compromise and be Bant or Jund so he can be played with Rogue, who has got to be like Gruul or something

>>96237049
you're right, but Wizards will be retarded and just make him Boros.

>>96237040
That would be fun enough at least
>>96237047
How about a compromise? He can take any number of counter tokens from a single target on your side, removes them from play, and deals double the amount of what you removed to a target? I'm sure that totally won't get broken with Millennium Calendar or something, WOTC hire me

UB when

>>96234985
It's the perfect white card. It's basically a power crept Austere Command. I would say it should have been 3WWW though.

>>96234725
I don't know what you're expecting, they need to make a profit. And if you're selling them yourself you're still going to have to pay for shipping + eBay/Amazon's cut. At least it's not like FUCKING GAMESTOP where they'll pay you 5 and then put it on the shelf for 60

>>96234725
>70% value
That's more than most lgs that usually do 50-60%

>>96235954
There's 6 stones

>>96237144
Reality Gem will be WUBRG

Weeeee
Come home lobster GOD

Is it a good idea to play this just to fuck with people, even if it isn't going to win you the game?

Has there ever been a cycle of cards where the white version is the best? They've literally been shit since Alpha.

>>96237144
>soul
>mind
>time
>space
>uhhh body and mind
>earthquakes

>>96237161
Is this secret boss vilainess reincarnation or whatever? I didn't know it was getting animated.

>>96237144
wubrg + colorless, it's the freest design space that has ever existed for UB

>>96237171
https://myanimelist.net/anime/54837/Akuyaku_Reijou_Level_99__Watashi_wa_Ura-Boss_desu_ga_Maou_dewa_Arimasen

So which gets what color?

>>96237196
I don't get any, they'll be too expensive

>>96236961
They could reveal more this set, not all of them I assume, but 1 or 2 more is possible.

>>96237006
Its 'technically' worse than signet since they only tap for each color. They are powercrept diamonds, and powercrept most other 2 mana rocks.

>>96237196
Mind is blue
Power is probably green
Reality is red
There's really no good fit for white, and colorless will just be whats left over.

>>96236992
>>96236961
>>96236864
This was actually a horrifying thought that I had when I saw the soul stone. I hope to God above that it's not true

>>96237085
5 color Decade Heisei deck pls

Is it bad to over extend and play cards just because I have the mana to cast them?

>>96237233
I don't know why power isn't black and soul white

>>96237200
A good proxy is like 3 bucks

>>96237233
>Soul = Black (sacrifice and recursion)
>Mind = Blue (knowledge and card advantage)
>Space = White (flicker/blink)
>Time = Red (Haste, cheating in creatures)
>Power = Green (Power Matters, either in doubling, static buff, or +1 counters)
>Reality = WUBRG or Colorless (interacts with the other stones for a win-con. Is either WUBRG, or Colorless to represent needing the others to be at full power. Probably gains the rest of the Stones abilities)

>>96237260
because White doesn't kill off their own creatures. they bring them back, but the soul stone needs a willing sacrifice, which is firmly a Black mechanic

>>96237059
me on the left (I have reclamation in my deck but didn't draw it)

Which commander is good for a straight white male that is a homophobic, transphobic, antisemitic bigoted racist that is also misogynistic?

>>96237152
definitely, yes. it doesn't really impact the game in any way but shortening it a lot.
if someone gets salty they're a bitch and you can remind them that the game will very soon be over considering how few cards everyone has!

>>96237289
This one

>>96237239
W could be the return of mutate...

>>96237289
None of those words are real.

>Using "Stones" instead of "Gems"
>Using the MCU colours
cringe.
>noooo but they le changed it in the comics post secret wars 2016
modern comics suck, and so does mcu synergy. gems are more refined, and interesting than mere 'stones'. Incentive to proxy the cards desu.

7 marvel sets would legitimately make me quit. I don't hate UB but I fucking hate Marvel cringe and everything it represents

>>96237342
I share this sentiment. Capeshit multiverse trash is the biggest joke in writing I have ever witnessed. It was reddit before reddit was invented.

>>96237342
Maybe it'll be 1 in Spiderman and then 2 in 3 other sets since they can easily be more broad
>1st set SHIELD and Street level things like Punisher
>2nd set X-Men and things like Dr Strange/ Scarlet Witch, ect
>3rd set cosmic space stuff like Star Lord and Adam Warlock

>>96237094
>they need to make a profit
The profit is the part where I accept 70% of the value of the card when I sell it. Screwing me on THE APPRAISAL (<--------- the part where they tell me what the card is worth) There is no justification for. It's just pure greed and scumminess.
Again. I am already accepting 70% value. Don't put your thumb on the scales by being dishonest about the price you're going to sell it at just to line your own pockets. Literally that simple.
>>96237105
Holy fuck, I don't care, that part isn't the point. See above.

>>96237383
No one cares about your whiny jew tears when you're already getting more value than most.
Sell it yourself or stop crying faggot.

So whats my mana curve average supposed to be? Is 3.2 too high?

>>96237428
>No one cares
Care enough to reply, faggot
>you're already getting more value than most.
I don't care what shitty rates your LGS is buying from you for. When they start lowballing you on the value of the card in the first place before they've even reduced it for their own cut, then we'll talk.

>>96237438
>70% is a low ball
Retard jew, fuck off back to your tunnel

>>96237437
depends on how hard you cheat on your taxes

>playing new land precon
>turn 8, everyone is still around 40
>have 4 vanilla 10/10s and some other tokens
>big green timmy
>tiamat player tutors for 5 typical dragons(twinflame, ureni, terror, etc) and has war storm surge out
>my other 2 opponents with negative IQ
>WOAH THOSE CREATURES ARE BIG (no flying, trample etc)
>yeah dude you are threat
>farewells all creatures and graveyards, doesnt hit enchantments
>eat 38 from tiamat player
>yeah man even though you are at 2 life, dont have a graveyard and no nonland permanents, I gotta take you out

I'm not mad that I lost, I just don't fucking understand this shit. One guy literally has 80 iq so I get him, but what is this retardation sometimes.

>>96237342
>7 marvel sets
>they put one stone in each set up to 5
>6 has the gauntlet that needs you to have all of them
>7 doesn't have the reality stone
>secret lair drop

>>96237443
THE 70%
IS
NOT
THE
LOWBALL

THE PART WHERE THEY TELL ME A $14 CARD IS ONLY WORTH $10 IS THE LOWBALL
AND THEN THEY APPLY A 30% REDUCTION ON TOP OF THAT

I DO NOT CARE THAT THEY BUY FOR LESS THAN IT IS WORTH SO THEY CAN MAKE A PROFIT
I CARE THAT THEY ARE LYING TO MY FUCKING FACE ABOUT WHAT THE CARD IS WORTH IN THE FIRST PLACE

DO NOT TELL ME A CARD IS ONLY WORTH $10 AND THAT YOU WILL BUY IT FOR 8, AND THEN FUCKING LIST IT AT THE MARKET AVERAGE OF $14

>>96237459
>Things that never happened that I made up so I could be mad
Jew confirmed.

>>96237455
some people are just fucking retarded.
I was playing my Niv-Mizzet deck, had nothing but dead draws. Kept a 4 mana hand and never hit a land again. Yet, somehow, I was the threat because I was "always one card away from storming off and winning" despite literally flashing my hand of win-more cards, and 2 counters.

>>96237472
>realize you're fucking illiterate
>"w-well that never happened so I can't be wrong!"
Unbelievably faggy behavior. Take a break from this site for a good decade or two at least.

I wish they would print an alt version of this that just said me. Even if it was 1 more mana, playing actual mesmeric orb just gets you killed for milling the table.

>>96237479
>I checked the cards, I had them graded I know their peak value, I went there, and they gave me the price for the condition, but I deserve near mint grade 10 value!
>I then check the price they were giving my for my cards
>I'm crying about a few dollars at most
>All real and believable
Dumb ass Jew.

>>96237490
>>I checked the cards, I had them graded I know their peak value, I went there, and they gave me the price for the condition, but I deserve near mint grade 10 value!
Right so your strategy now, after baselessly claiming I made this story up, is to add a bunch of things to the story that I never said?
Tuuuuuurbo faggot

>>96237487
That card gets you killed because its a combo piece. If you see a nigga drop KCI or Mycosynth Lattice and pass the turn you're gonna kill his ass too.

>>96237500
>THE PART WHERE THEY TELL ME A $14 CARD IS ONLY WORTH $10 IS THE LOWBALL
>AND THEN THEY APPLY A 30% REDUCTION ON TOP OF THAT
That line lets me know your story is fake, that or you are a genuine retard who doesn't understand condition effects price.
Pick which ever makes your ego feel better.
Retard liar Jew.

>>96237515
>you are a genuine retard who doesn't understand condition effects price.
Where did condition come up at all? Where did I tell you anything about the condition?

As it happens it was fucking mint condition because it was cracked at draft. Now what? Want to make up any other details to add to someone else's story?

You're the retard who gets off on humiliation by losing arguments, aren't you?

so, will there ever be a DC UB? batman is pretty much the only superhero I like. would be even funnier if you could partner him with joker.

>>96237537
>Where did I tell you anything about the condition?
You didn't need to, your story says it all.
Keep shitting your diaper every post though, that will show you're not a coping lying imbecile.

You know what probably happened? It's a $14 listing for the market price, but the lowest ACTUAL listing is $10, and the autist is too busy screeching to realize that.
When I traded in my foil Mirrodin Green Sun Zenith, Market was ~$120. Actual listed was in the 80s for NM. So, got about $60 for it.

The shops actually look at listings and compare prices. Just because the website tells you there's a card listed at a value doesnt mean its SELLING at that value. And a shop can't just sit on cards forever.

>>96237561
>>96237562
The fact you're jerking off to making a fool of yourself is more sad than it is unsettling

>>96237562
Everyone but him realizes that.

>>96237443
This person is very mindbroken and its sad

>>96237514
>That card gets you killed because its a combo piece
Wrong. It gets you killed because certain people sperg about about getting milled. It primarily gets used as an enabler for self mill which isn't doing any combo route with it.

>>96237514
Everything is a combo piece these days, thats not really saying much. People get their cards milled and start seeing red.

>>96237562
I don't get why he cares anyways. Ebay is right there and has been for literal decades.

>>96237571
>>96237583
>>96237601
>losing an argument wasn't embarrassing enough, I MUST samefag replies to myself too
This is the biggest meltdown we've seen in these threads for a long while, congrats.

>>96237601
The mentally retarded have a hard time accepting their own short comings.

fight fight fight

>>96237608
Yes anon, you did infact throw a tantrum.
Luckily we can all scroll up and see it.

>>96237608
?
I'm the one that posted about the Green Sun. Just saw the sperg-out and figured i'd chime in. haven't said anything else today.
in fact, last thing i said was last night, talking about how the phyrexian shit did my boy Venser dirty, and brought up using chatGPT to make a celes deck that wasn't complete garbage

This is how I feel trying to pick cool golgari commanders

>>96237629
It's kinda bullshit how they get so many unique ones

>>96237629
me on the left

This is how I feel trying to pick an abzan vehicles commander

>>96237617
>>96237625
Self-humiliation anon, please spare us this thread.

>>96237644
?

>>96237644
The projection is real.

>>96237644
Waiting for the cope. Give me that classic cope.

>"okay anon I swing for 50 doublestrike trample"
>yeah you got me
>"and I'm going to use Hunter's Insight on my guy"
>...
>"wait"
times when you didn't allow your opponent to take it back?

>>96237094
GameStop is way more generous than your average LGS. They're probably going to kill off mom and pop LGS.

>>96237641
Vehicle matters support has been regulated to U/W, at best you'll get an esper or bant commander.

>>96234769
He's just a worse version of The Master that nowadays is a KoS.

>>96237666
I would be fine with this, the game didn't really progress that far and missing an interaction is forgivable.
What I consider is too far is when I attack, get a trigger, then the op starts declaring blockers, realizes he can't block lethals and them says "well I stifle the triggers" we're on another step. I've already done all of my stuff and you already started your phase.

>>96237629
>eight plates of pancakes
>can I think of enough commanders offhand to edit this
jarad, savra, gitrog, belbe, blex?, glissa?, pharika?, grist? waiting for the zask poster to chime in on that

>>96237666
and then you die in first strike step and he draws half his library?

>>96237650
>>96237660
>what is right click > inspect?
>what is owning 2 devices in the year 20-fucking-25
Impeccable defense, m'humiliationsperg

>>96237719
>right-click inspect
>not just cutting the (you) off in paint

>>96237719
>>96237723
too much work, when I can just printscreen and paste this shit. think what you want, I'm just here to get advice for how shit my decks are

>>96237719
Thanks for giving me the classic cope. The more likely scenario is just that 2 people think you are a moron.

Since we're telling LGS stories
>notice LGS has a card significantly over priced
>mention it to them
>"Sorry anon, we're firm on price"
>didn't even want to buy it, but okay whatever
>go back later in the week
>it's at a new more reasonable price

>>96237706
Rendmaw, hapatra, carth, beledros. You can pretty much just scroll edgrec to find cool ones.

>>96237754
At least they looked in to it.

>>96237754
>Go to a lgs I don't normally go to
>They have a box of bulk rares 1-5 dollars
>Look through it
>Fucking Reaver titan in it
>Pull it out.
>It is sleeved with a red sticker like everything else in the box, it was put there intentionally
>Go to buy it
>They look up the price anyway
>Holy shit those went up huh? That'll be 30 dollars.
So close.

is beledros a fun budget commander

>>96237342
It's definitely going to be a big miscalculation. Capeshit exhaustion is finally hitting normies. End Game was almost 10 fucking years ago. The hype for the XMen secret lair was abysmal, Deadpool came and went with a fart, Spider Man has zero hype. And they want to do 5+ more sets of it over the next 3-4 years, almost 15 whole years past the peak of capeshit fever?

I don't give a shit about UB in any real way but they're on fucking drugs if they can't recognize farting out 5 more Marvel sets is going to lead to consumer fatigue. They got rid of 3 set blocks for that exact reason. Imbeciles.

>>96237793
i like her, but she's one of those commanders that you have to make a 99 that runs without her ever landing. you're gonna want good quality aristocrat strategies in the 99.
you'd be better served just running Dina, or even Slimefoot, since they provide a wincon from the CZ at cheaper mana, but there's something to be said about sitting down with Beledros and chilling

>>96237703
he drew his entire library and lost because of it
>>96237715
lifegain deck at nearly 80 life

>>96237094
A formative memory of mine, was bringing in a boxed Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (Cart, manual, well-conditioned game box) to EB Games, and they wanted to give me 25 cents for it, when they had loose carts in a display case for like, 10bux+. Since then, I've been inherently suspicious of merchants, and would rather assign prices when listing goods, myself.

>>96237798
>Final fantasy blows down every sells record they had a metric for
>...
>People want more Spiderman?

Final Fantasy: Battle For Ivalice Commander Draft

>>96237809
commanders for picrel?

>>96237809
Based. But you should ignore contrarian shills.
It's the exact same mindset as Pirate Software raging against Stop Killing Games purely because he wants to feel like an insider by siding with corporations. These people don't have real thoughts or opinions, they have impulses.

>>96237793
7 mana is a lot, even in golgari which has some alright ramp. I think she's better suited in the 99.

>>96237825
Edric

>"low power" Kinnan player in the pod with me playing Mothman
>I'm somehow the bigger threat.
Sure.
Wouldn't you know it the Kinnan went infinite mana turn 4 (why it's low power according to him) and won while I kept getting countered and removed with everything I played.

>>96237754
>need chaff for 2 proxy decks
>enter LGS, see clerks sorting through a few stacks of cards at the counter
>"I need about 200 chaff cards"
>they look at each other and go "yeah, we're probably done with these stacks, let me count them for ya"
>everything looks good, throws in a a couple of extra cards, charges me $10
>look through them at home
>5x tamiyo's safekeeping and a bunch of other 1cmc protection spells worth over a dollar each
now all my green decks have at least one tamiyo's

I just wanna play these in a deck.

>>96237825
Whatever best enables Aetherflux Reservoir - piss on them so hard it leaves nothing but a vague silhouette of a body behind.

>>96237860
Necrobloom. next question.

>>96237860
Google "landfall decks" anon, it's gonna blow your mind.

>>96237825
arixmethes board wipe tribal

>>96237871
I don't want to build a landfall deck I want to build a deck that plays those cards specifically. So an enchantment tutor commander might be best.
>>96237865
I built a two color budget (just ignoring white except for one plains and one snow-covered plains) necrobloom deck but I never played it.

>>96237884
Three of these make 2/2s, become funny bears.

>>96237925
she cute

Why don't I see more people running dollmakers shop// porcelain gallery

>>96237949
Isn't it a nonbo with itself?

>>96237949
I run it in my Kongming token deck
>>96237974
No? one side makes tokens, the other makes them large

>>96237974
No?
One side makes toys when you attack with non toys, the other side makes all your creatures have base p/t equal to all your creatures, unless your playing toy tribal for some reason you'll be fine in almost all situations

Is spending $400 on my first EDH deck too much?

>>96237980
>>96237987
Yeah I'm thinking of the fact it's a nonbo with Arabella from the same set. Because ostensibly she was the toy commander, but one side of room wants you attack with a non-toy and the other side adjusts base power which fucks up Arabella's ability.

>>96237991
If you enjoy your deck, it's never a waste of money

>>96237949
There are some cool rooms, and there's the argument to be made for efficiency in having two pretty effects on one card, but they're generally overcosted and big targets for removal.

>>96237991
Uh yeah.
>>96237996
How is he going to know whether he enjoys it?

>>96237996
It'll just be nice to have a deck that can compete with my friends decks.

>>96237949
I run it
>>96237974
No, are you retarded? It's unironically one of the best anthems in the format.
>>96237995
Yeah you're retarded

>>96238004
Play test it with proxies before you buy

>>96238004
test it on a simulator like forge, or xmage or w/e

>>96238006
How is that retarded? It's the only room that interacts with toys and it is a nonbo with the only toy commander from the set.

>>96237991
I wouldn't, because you might end up cutting cards after some playtesting. Maybe proxy it first and see if it actually works out

>>96238017
I've been using Moxfield personally to playtest.

>>96238026
Arabella doesn't care about other toys and can't trigger it on her own

>>96238026
it doesn't interact with toys though, it specifically says "non-toy"

Arabella isn't the be all end all commander nor deck that would want it.

>>96238041
she cute

>>96236012
>Destroy target creature of your choice, then destroy target creature of an opponent's choice. Activate only during your turn, before attackers are declared.

She's nonbo with her self guys, she's bad.

>>96238026
I meam, that's not what you said. You said it's a nonbo with itself. It's not. That's what I'm arguing. It's just a le tokens card. It might be a half nonbo with the doll but who gives a fuck that's a weird thing to bring up even

>>96237629
Building Jenova now

any jank commanders?

>>96238067
Yes

>>96238067
Anything can be jank. That RogSi cEDH? It can be jank depends on what you're putting in the deck.

>>96238035
>Arabella doesn't care about other toys
She is the only legendary toy in the entire game, that makes her the toy commander regardless of what her ability is.
Especially as she was in the set that fucking introduced toys and all other toys in that set were in her colors.
>>96238040
>it doesn't interact with toys though, it specifically says "non-toy"
It interacts with toys in the sense that it produces toy token creatures- as far as im aware, the only card in the game that does so

>>96238052
>You said it's a nonbo with itself.
And I corrected myself???? So?

>>96237691
That's... Not true at all
Are you retarded?

Jenova is actually a Fallout commander that got scrapped in the middle of development.

>>96238047
even on a budget winota is cranked, what were they thinking??

>>96238138
No she's not.
She's not a tribal commander at all and if you think she is,
You got filtered.

>>96238047
Is this an early example of AI? They couldn't even be bothered to correct her right arm

>>96238156
She only has one arm

>>96238156
Why does gen z think everything is AI

>>96238172
The must defend the honor of female real artists who don't know the exist at every opportunity

>>96238172
I'm older than you
I see my joke went over your zoomer head

>>96238183
Damn unc, that was a joke?

Oh so that’s where they got it from

If you play Mana Drain I will call you a tryhard faggot

>>96238147
I'm not saying she's a tribal commander though like even if you remove the mutant type those guys synergize pretty darn good with what she's trying to do.

>>96238047
>friend builds what he thought was a bracket 1 "just trash from my junk pile" deck
>fucking destroys all of us
>destroys us 1v3 as well
God she's so fucking cracked it's unfair. You could put together a <$10 decklist and still ruin everyone's day with her

>>96238208
>Friend play Kinnan and Kaalia,
>I'm going to build a new deck
>Shows up win Winota.
If she didn't give the humans she dumps out indestructible she would be fine.

>>96238226
Alternatively if she said "whenever one or more" so she only triggers once per combat, instead of for EACH nonhuman. Flooding the board is comically easy with her

>>96238239
Deathtouch+trample is the deadliest combo in the game, and it's not even close. There's a reason no creature has ever been outright printed with both.

>>96238252
New glissa soon, trust the plan.

>>96238172
Probably because of the endless inundation of slop being fed to them on their algorithms is making them question things to the point it's causing them to doubt reality. Although, that might be intentional.

>N-no! boros can't be good! Winota is raping my ass nooooo! BOROS CAN'T BE GOOOOOOD!!!!
Dumb cucks

>>96238360
Boros is good. I just wish 95% of boros commanders weren't equipment slop, with the other 5% being the only interesting ones.

>>96238239
Psh. Nothing personal, kid.

>>96238384
of the top 20 boros commanders on edhrec right now, only 4 of them are equipment specific.
25% is still alot, but its a far cry from 95%

NEW
>>96238419
>>96238419

>>96238239
So you just Entomb a Sire of Seven Deaths turn 1 with this guy???

>>96238202
It's literally just counterspell

>>96237949
too expensive to cast. with that kind of mana I've already won