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>What is Trench Crusade?
An alternate weird history 28mm/32mm tabletop skirmish game still in a pre-release playtesting phase but with the full release slated for this year. Based on the art and lore of Mike Franchina, whose illustrations you may have seen floating around on /tg/ for a several years now, and designed by Tuomas Pirinen, one of the original creators of Mordheim. It's grimdark, it's visceral, it's awesome, and it's very Blanchitsu.

>What Trench Crusade is not
TC not an excuse for you to discuss IRL religion, history that didn't occur in the game, culture war shit, or discord bullshit on /tg/. Keep it on topic.

>What's the QRD on the background?
The Knights Templar turned heretic and opened the Gates of Hell when they took Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Over 800 years later the war is still ongoing as technology has developed to a pseudo diesel-punk WW1 standard and a third of Humanity has sided with the Infernal Princes.

>How do I get started?
All the files are free online, but are split between the website and the discord. They have all been collected here for your convenience:
https://mega.nz/folder/70QH0BBa#Eg-blxYQKkY_C02wErnFTQ

>third party sources for making trenchers:
https://pastebin.com/YzXPVUAc

>Trench Compendium
Compendium: https://trenchcompendium.netlify.app/
Feedback Form: https://forms.gle/k44MxmJxWu3upDHT8

>Previous thread:
>>96168498

>Thread Question:
What's the latest thing you've done that /trench/ related?

Honestly they missed out by not having a Protestantized colonized west to draw inspiration from. Pentecostal militias and Evangelical theocracies are all stuff that already exists today and Pilgrims and Puritans in gas masks makes for a fun aesthetic too.

>>96269046
Instead of the European Wars of Religion, they had the Wars of Tricalvanism (1215-1306) in their place, millions dying over religious disputes, and the end result being the church becoming the Syncretic Church, the tl;dr of that being that they don't care how you worship and the peculiarities of your practices, as long as you worship God and no one else.

>>96268995 (OP)
>kickstarter book still hasn't arrived.
Should I be worried?

>>96269212
Let's be honest, this series is going to be DOA.

>>96269212
No, they said the book will be delivered last, after the 1.0 release (which is the next rule release), and then some to collect some feedback on layout, spelling, rule clarity, etc, so the book won’t be out of date when printed and shipped.

>>96269271
>Let's be honest, this series is going to be DOA.
don't really want TC to be DOA.
Wouldn't be the first time I got into something that turned out to be DOA.
First one was the Lego Universe MMO. I still have the box as a lesson I think I've forgotten now. I might keep the Trench Crusade book as a "novelty item with a lesson" if that makes sense. If it turns out to be DOA.

>>96269294
>1.0 release
How are the beta rules as they are compared to Mordheim at the moment? I can't imagine that the 1.0 rules will be that much different unless there is a massive overhaul.

>muh where's the book
>for the Nth time
>people still respond to the obvious bait every time

>>96269703
To give him the benefit of the doubt, it has been a while since the kickstarter and generally I think after this much time has passed I think some concern is understandable.
We're probably going to see more posts like this unless there is a kickstarter FAQ in the TC Discord server from different anons.

I've been wondering. Where do heretic death commandos get their pure hearts for their stealth generators. My headcanon is that its the child's own heart, which is removed before training corrupts them.

>>96269046
>protenstants
>aesthetics
pffffffffffttt hee hee hoo ha

>>96269797
It’s probably part of their final training to sneak into a holy site and nab one, probably from a child like you suggest, but also a particularly pious nun, priest, or even minor living saint. Hell, they might compete with Court over the saint farming.

>possibly one of the best inspirations you could use for trench crusade
>nobody has done anything with it

but why

>>96269947
Yes

>>96271155
You're really not being convincing, especially not when Catholic and Orthodox art is in the frame.

>>96271168
That’s a Protestant

>>96271175
I meant in the frame of the dialogue, comparatively speaking, not your image in particular.
Basically, protestant designs offer nothing to TC other than
>uhh, more minimalism and less gibbuns
which is probably the exact opposite of what 99% of people consuming Faithful miniatures want. People want macabre Christians to have proper attributes, not LESS of them.

>>96271155
>>96271168
>>96271175
>>96271195
Oh for the love of god, fuck off to /his/ if you want to argue Protestant fashions or lack thereof.

>>96271195
Depends on the style you’re going for. If you want more of a minimalist Death Korp style look then Protestantism tends to be less ostentatious for the more gritty feel.

Honestly, I think Martin Luther would have been a war prophet in the TC universe, instead of being a prophet.

>>96269712
Anyone who actually backed would just read any of the regular updates. Asking here is bait. Simple as.

TC's going to be a NOVA, if any Burgerstani's here are going snap some pics. Their tables always look cool.

Great job on the v2, Compendium-anon.

>>96275955
Thanks man, glad people are liking it. Other than an odd issue with selections all the bug reports are minor things like forgetting a keyword or putting a 1 instead of 2.

Managed to get over 1500 accounts in a week, and like 5k warbands in total last I checked.

Relatedly, whoever it making the generals should probably change the url to trench-companion dot com rather than the compendium. In a few months we'll be properly dropping the compendium.

Discord's down for 'maintenance'. Wonder if that means we're close to 1.0 release.

>>96272423
Sorry about that. I didn't know it was common bait nowadays. I'm just worried and I checked the Kickstarter and there is an update.
TC Discord lads should add Kickstarter FAQ to the Discord server.

>>96277781
iirc 1.0 hardcovers are projected to go to final print in late august/early september so it checks out.

>>96271155
Are you trying to argue that a guy wearing black plate armour is the "Protestant aesthetic"? Because I can promise you that exists else where

>>96278471
nta, but "plain" would describe the protestant aesthetic and I'm certain it's the one Jesus would have preferred instead of trying in vain to emulate the kingdom of God.

>>96271211
>Religion, In MY Trench Crusade thread?
>It's more common than you think

>>96271214
This.

>>96271293
He can nail his thesis to a heretics face

>>96278509
>nta, but "plain" would describe the protestant aesthetic

So not having an aesthetic is the Protestant aesthetic?

>>96278603
Not that anon but yes, exactly. Protestantism is all about working hard, simple living and abstaining from excessive displays of wealth.
Only protestant sub-genre that would fit in would be the Adamites, which another anon did stat up as a Trench pilgrim sub-faction a few thread back

>>96278603
Ehhh, thats like saying Americans dont have an accent, protestants just all black, on everything, from regular clothes to armour, it had to be black and plain with no detailing or flair.

The concept is that oppulent apperances was considered an attempt to rival god and heaven, so instead turned to darker colors and "plain" aesthetics. Instead of priests wearing gold embroidered white cloth with a fancy cross inlaid with jewels and a necklace of red rubies, they opted for black, with no furnishings or jewelry, and wooden crosses. The abscence of flourish IS the aesthetic.

After being absolutely burnt out by Kill Team and the fact that it's literally impossible to explain the rules to new people without them shitting their pants for the 50k things you have to check and cross reference, I'm astounded how easy it was to convince 3 people to play Trench. The art it's extremely catchy, the lore is borderline absurd and the rules are a breeze to digest for noobs of tabletops. Also 2 of them have resin printer so it's so easy to go for cheap proxies that match ones tastes. For now we have: Me with New Antioch (Spanish inquisition/conquistadores proxies just arrived from the Kickstarter) and HL Knights of Avarice, one friend chose HL Naval raiding party and the other Pilgrims. One is still reading the lore.

What is this magic? I had more success in a few weeks of proposing TC than years of shilling KT since the 2018 edition

Anyone had similar exp?

>>96278811
Less daunting, I think, with the lore, and the rules are fairly simply until you get in unit/item specifics.
Add to that, games will go pretty damn fast, unless everyone's dice suck.
You do not have the baggage of 40k tying you down, and you can explain the basic rules in less than 10 minutes.

>>96278709
>Ehhh, thats like saying Americans dont have an accent, protestants just all black, on everything, from regular clothes to armour, it had to be black and plain with no detailing or flair.


Well no americans certainly have an accent you can point as unique to them (well a few different accents actually). "All black" however isn't a defining characteristic as many subcultures heavily utilize black and dark colors. Aside from that simply lacking in ornamentation isn't unique either as many subcultures utilize plain or mundane clothing within them.

Just compare all that you're saying to picrel. Does a cassock not also have all the qualities you describe despite being being used as daily wear of roman catholic clergy?

>>96278640
So considering this I think it's pretty obvious why the setting focused on overt, over the top aesthetics didn't include a faction that lacked one.

why do the missions have to be so dogshit I love everything else

>>96280582
You didnt post an image but I dont need it to say no. Im not saying "if you wear all black you are using protestant aesthetics", all black and "boring" is just something protestants aimed for, but this fashion wasnt unique to them. The idea being that they wanted to "dress down", because oppulence was considered a sin and that came to mean colorful fancy clothes and jewelry, and was in contrast to the church/catholicism at the time that was all gold and all about spledour.
>We are incarnated in our bodies, and we express ourselves in our clothes. Garments do not hide us: they clothe us.
Remember, these guys are precurssors to puritans, the most boring cunts in christianity. If you wanted to make a warband for example, they would wear very plain black outfits with white collars and everyone would dress the same with very little deviation.

>>96278603
>>96278709
When I think of Protestant-derived religions I usually think of plainfolk; their style is defined by whatever you can make with cottage industry.

>>96280590
>You can't make Protestant aesthetic over-the-top
Behold, my neophyte

>erm.....this religion would ackshually look like this and NOT like that idea you have
>guise wouldnt be feckin schweet if they added this religion and nation to the lore
>TUOMAS EXPLAIN/EXPAND ON THIS LORE TO US PLEASE
why is this 95% of the trench crusade community? where's the fucking game at?

>>96281888
It’s summer, plus we’ve always been flooded with shitposters and derailers.

islam would be much better as an adoptionist heresy
but noooo, I must copy the jews more and be ABSOLUTE monotheist with beyond your compression™ God instead
t. born muslim

>>96269271
What does DOA mean?

>>96268995 (OP)
Is this official art?

>>96283397
Yes.

>>96283390
Devil Out Ass

>>96283390
Does only anal

>>96283390
Dildos Oiled Acceptably

>>96283390
Devils owning angels

>>96283402
It is disgusting... The laziest illustration I have ever seen for a product...

>>96281888
Because most aren't actually playing

>>96281888
>The funniest part of the game is kitbashing/sculpting your own personal warband based on the lore
>How dare you ask about the lore!

>>96268995 (OP)
dice+2d6
Why did they deleted almost everything in their discord?

>>96281867
That's not protestant, that's just taking tents and covered wagons and applying them to architecture.

>>96280874
Sorry it didn't include the pic for some reason

>all black and "boring" is just something protestants aimed for, but this fashion wasnt unique to them.

Okay well if it isn't unique to them you can't claim it as a unique aesthetic lol.

>they would wear very plain black outfits with white collars and everyone would dress the same with very little deviation.

So like catholic clergymen?

>>96281867
What happens when there's a thunderstorm?

>>96283390
Devil Oay Ary

>>96283724
Again, Im not saying "wearing black means youre dressing like a protestant", that is reductive and you know it. Im saying that other sects wore something other than black where protestants made a point of ONLY wearing black.
>but other people wore black hats and had black clothes
Yes, and protestants ONLY had black hats and black clothes. Like if you were to make a faction for this game based on protestants, it would not look right if they were wearing red robes with introcate gold detailing with a big purple raiment with a golden helmet, if you had a guy just wearing all black robes it would look like a generic benedictine monk, which was what the protestants were trying to evoke, and would be far more appropriate.

You could do a zealot faction that is just guys in black suits wearing floppy hats, all wearing the same attire, they wouldnt wear images of christ and the cross would only be something simple.

>>96283665
Probably reconfiguring it for the 1.0 release.

>>96269105
>Syncretic Church, the tl;dr of that being that they don't care how you worship and the peculiarities of your practices, as long as you worship God and no one else.
That is beyond lame and gay. Without having inter religious wars the idea of Pilgrims fighting Pilgrims is ridiculous. If you have some heresies then it would be cool to see even different subfactions.

>>96284188
>Without having inter religious wars
The major national/multinational churches are roughly united behind the main church of Rome. In the chaos of the front however their bands still fight each other on the front over ideological disputes and for resources. It's mention in the fluff as well.

>>96284188
>Without having inter religious wars
They still happen; the Syncretic Church is an overarching union, but not a day to day, person to person reality.
Infighting happens all the time.

>>96268995 (OP)
Looks cool.

The good thing of TC is that I can say that I don't suck at painting but it was made in grimdark style.

>>96283835
Okay but can you not see how you pointing out that they just wore stuff other people wore at the time means that isn't an aesthetic they can claim? You can't just point at a guy wearing typical clothing for the time period and say that's a unique subculture aesthetic. You could rightfully point out that protestants mostly wear slacks and collared shirts nowadays but calling slacks and a collared shirt the "protestant aesthetic" would be silly.

>You could do a zealot faction that is just guys in black suits wearing floppy hats, all wearing the same attire,

Sure but if someone saw that they're probably not going to be thinking they just colonial themed warband, not a protestant one.

>>96284188
There being an organization that's trying to unite the faiths doesn't mean there's isn't interfaith disputes. In fact I would think the fact that such an organization would have to be formed shows that they're struggling to unite on their own.

>>96284188
in the lore primer they mention a years (decades?) long war of trinitarianism I believe.
Plus the reason anchorite shrines are mostly melee only is because the only place that knows how to properly make them has a religious dispute with the wider church over communicants.
A solid number of in-game variant rules are "because of X religious dispute, Y thing changes" like the Red Brigade only getting 2 church-guy-elites.

>>96287050
The disagreement about communicants makes me wonder why the Cavalcade doesn't also get some anchorite upgrades

>>96286845
The colonials were protestants anon, puritans ARE protestants.

>>96287152
SOME colonials were protestant. English settlers were a mix of Puritans, protestants, and Catholics but french and Spanish settlers were all catholic.

It also should be pointed that while protestants, most of them were Anglican protestants which did not follow the puritanical "aesthetic" that is being described here.

New sketches from Mike. Seems like Path of the Beast stuff.

>>96295402
Seems like it. I'm surprised they wield guns.

>>96295602
Honestly I enjoy it, we already have a lots-of-limited-weapons faction with the Grail.

>>96295803
Id have liked another option for a faction that doesnt use complex weaponry specifically because zombies are kindof lame to make. Only reason Im interested in BG is for Dirge, and I dont even know what theyre suppose to look like, theyre just described as not being bloated corpses.

Speaking of which, didnt BG also get a pig aesthetic faction? Have I got old rules or have they not been added yet.

>>96295402
>can pull from plethora of animalistic traits
>whole fluff is about devolution and going back in time biologically-speaking
>behemoth is supposed to be a vessel of every possible animal morphology
>could tap into synapsids, hell even amoebas, hydras, devonian / cambrian fauna but with a hellish twist on it
>could have had hellbound tacticool trench horror-raptors
>its just skinless dog stuff
>beastlords are just skinless wolf stuff multiplied by 20
Mike's stuff is pretty lacklustre when it comes to monster designs, it really shows that he is mostly into humans and alt-history part of the project. :/

>>96296563
Yeah, we get it, for the 50th time, you don't like the game and it's art. You should spend your time doing things you do like instead of constantly whining to us about what you don't like.

>>96296578
No I like the game, think its pretty good system-wise and I like the people into the game, I am just salty about the art and yes I will whine until the reality reasserts itself around my manic fantasies.

>>96296563
According to Mike himself in that panel they had a while back, hes trying to keep the designs more "attainable" than not so people can easily model them and get into the game without necessarily having to buy their official models or resort to just using warhammer stuff to get something that looks the part. Its a noble thing but youre absoloutely right. Im sure they could make something wholly unique, but it would make it harder to indulge a crowning aspect of the game, which is making your own models, not just buying them, if you want to make something outlandish its completely fine because the goal is not to just replicate the official art, its to make something to a theme.

If you want tacticool biped lizards, you can just make that, call them demon corrupted or hell spawn, the setting allows a lot within the theme, the goal is not to just replicate the art.

>>96296982
I would say that it is a good point, but then the miniatures make a pretty decent job of transitioning from art to models in terms of detail and fidelity, so the kitbashed/proxied models *do* in fact stand out pretty significantly from official stuff? So that's a little counteractive toward the "attainability" sentiment.
Also isn't the whole point of art/fluff to inspire the crazier ideas as opposed to "intentionally holding back"?

>>96296563
>could tap into synapsids, hell even amoebas, hydras, devonian / cambrian fauna but with a hellish twist on it
>could have had hellbound tacticool trench horror-raptors
>its just skinless dog stuff
>beastlords are just skinless wolf stuff multiplied by 20
Not only have we seen Path stuff combine different design elements before (ticks and insectoid features, the Zygotic Lord having a fucking crescent moon umbilical, etc) but it's literally a model-agnostic game - kit bash the shit you want and you can easily claim that it's the result of that particular warband's blessings from the Beast. I have never understood this type of whining.

>>96297400
I dont understand the "miniature agnostic" argument, "miniature agnostic" doesn't mean "style agnostic" and I think when doing yourdudes its important to still make them aesthetically fit into the overall feel and look of the art and setting. Something that doesn't resonate with the artstyle gonna look like it doesn't belongs in the game's world
>ticks and insectoid features, the Zygotic Lord having a fucking crescent moon umbilical
Oh come on, ticks are there just for the "dogs get ticks" theming (pretty sure there arent insectoid devotees themselves) and zygotic lord is a dog too. The whole design language and aesthetic of the faction is pretty locked into werewolves theme, at least visually

>>96297383
I think attainable means more that there is a larger variety of humanoid model ranges to work from and use as a base, not everyone will be able to sculpt stuff from scratch and make the crazier stuff, so they could add something nutty, and only a fraction of people will even be able to use it becuase they have to actually make the thing. Bear in mind, the official models do not have a lot of weapons or armour options, even with them, you are still expected to kitbash in some degree.

>>96297477
This.
I hate when 'model agnostic' is taken to be 'a bunch of the cheapest shit i could find and I say it represents XX warband today (it's also rarely painted)'

>>96297504
I might not be a fan of using recognizably tyranid ribs but fuck those occult symbols do go hard, thanks for being prospective and posting some inspiring stuff