Thread 96313229

Undefeated edition

>Resources:
WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwh
WM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgeba
WFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6
Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H

>TOW:
https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/

>Warhammer Chronicles:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip
>Time of Legends:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip
>The End Times:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip

>Alternative Models:
https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL

>Previous Thread:>>96294516

>TQ: Which named characters do you want to be (re)introduced to your armies?

>TQ: Which named characters do you want to be (re)introduced to your armies?
I WANT THEM ALL

GIVE ME A FUCKING VC ARCANE JOURNAL YOU CUNTS

>>96313229 (OP)

TQ:

First character comes to my mind is Zacharias the Everliving. I liked his backstory of trying to usurp his master (Melchior?), losing, then regaining his power by drinking a dragon dry, zombifying it and going back to kill his teacher. Good fantasy story, even if I dislike special characters in general.

>>96313249
>1000 points character
>infinite dispel scrolls
Good times.

>>96313229 (OP)
>Which named characters do you want to be (re)introduced to your armies?
Morghur. If for no other reason than by definition he should already exist. Beastmen honestly don't need named characters though, it partially defeats the purpose of them. Kharzrak was notable only because he hated a last name, so not exactly high scale named character power.
Otherwise, I'd like Skarsnik and khalida

>>96313229 (OP)
It wouldn't work because he doesn't exist yet but Queek would be cool
But Skaven are legacy and would never get this

>>96313229 (OP)
>>96313243
they could make an arcane journal about all the characters they don't plan to reintroduce via normal journals and narratives

>>96313229 (OP)
>>TQ: Which named characters do you want to be (re)introduced to your armies?
No one. Never use named characters, never will.

>>96313568
>Never use named characters, never will.
Based.

>>96313243
this right here

also bring back an alternative list like heinrich army

>>96313299
Yeah given they tried to expand the wood elf vs beastmen dynamic it makes even less sense unless they plan to release a campgain around krawlmaw summoning him back or something.

I'd love to get King Louen Orc-Slayer at some point. Mostly just so we get a new Hippogryph lord model.

>>96313299
>>96313796
Morghur died and was reborn shortly before TOW. Kralmaw's whole deal is that he's looking for the infant Morghur.
Depending on how far out TOW is currently in the timeline, there might still be time to age him up to take part in the great war against chaos.

>>96313229 (OP)
>TQ
/mydudes/ are my named special characters. I am not a fan of the celebrity gossip style interpersonal drama that 'actual' named special characters seem to bring with them.

Doom totem/BSB wip
>>96313229 (OP)
I dont really use them, but I want Archaon back just because hes my favourite model ever

>>96313229 (OP)
>TQ

Pic related

Looking at the announcement for the second Arcane Journal for Cathay, it doesn't just say that there will be rules for running allied Cathay/Empire armies. It specifically says there will be rules for running allied Cathay/Westerland army. The most prominent city in Westerland is Marienburg.

Do you think they'll use this opportunity to give us a special Marienburg character, and perhaps bring back the Landship?

>>96314384
I have a feeling that land ship is gone forever, only to live on in our hearts.

Could you anons red pill me on the state of the lore currently? I didn't play for 7th Edition of miniature, and 2nd & 3rd Edition of the RPG.
I know that Storm Chaos didn't happen now (ret conn'd), and there's like multiple timelines separating shit from Age of Sigmar.

i heard a few weeks ago. that theirs a roumer of kislev being reveled either by the end of this year or beginning of next. is thier any truth to this?

>>96314384
Almost certainly we'll get a character for marienburg, and probably not on the land ship. I believe the mould for the resin model is gone, but I may have that confused with something else. That said, GW knows the land ship is popular and it must be a tantalising idea for them to make a plastic kit of it (same goes for the war mammoth)

>>96314695
TOW takes place hundreds of years before Warhammer Fantasy did. The idea that it's a separate timeline is pure fan speculation
>>96314713
How would we know? We know the concept work Kislev was complete years ago, so it's probably coming some time. But literally anything more specific than that is pure guesswork

I rolled a miscast 4x today but at least my state sword n boards held vs beasts of nurgle and daemonettes for 3 turns with some very low rolls on leadership. I also blew up my cannon.
A total disaster but my greatswords, hero, and a few state troopers survived to hopefully fight a another day. How are your games going? Hopefully khorne is not mocking your wizard?

>>96313243
>>96313249
>>96313680
based VC posting, keep it up, fellow Count Chads

>>96315280
ewww

>>96314713
There’s a big event coming up for Warhammer, but it’s up in the air whether it’ll actually show anything off. Otherwise LVO in October will likely be the next big reveal show where they’ll show off more hype reveals (in theory)

>>96313796
>it makes even less sense unless they plan to release a campgain around krawlmaw summoning him back or something.

That is quite literally the point of krawlmaw. His goal is to find the new morghur

>>9631532whats the even

>>96313924
>>96315583
I get what the lore is I just feel like we could have had morghur and made krawlmaw his own dude with his own agenda. Especially as all other named beasties are not in the time period.

>TQ
Yuan Bo

>>96315674
I think the approach they've taken works pretty well. Beastmen actually have something to do in the lead up to the war by searching for Morghur, and his return will actually have some weight to it. Also, it gives Kralmaw purpose as a character. Instead of just being "Morghur but again", he gets to be this blind prophet character who's seeking their messiah.

>Especially as all other named beasties are not in the time period.
Ghorros is around

>>96316118
I hope they actually have relevance to the setting for a change. It's all fine and good to be lore wise a major threat to the average person, but basically speed bumps for everyone else. They don't need to be Skarsnik or Grimgor Waaagh level threat, but grom the paunch level would be nice.

Some progress on the green and red of the Thunderers.
I decided to repaint the 4 that I had already done in ancient times, to match the color scheme. I will need to scrape off the snow effect from the champion's beard and cape.

Anyone have book to recommend that focuses on Sylvania? I heard that the vampire counts there are actually beneficent toward their living subjects since they like their populace to be efficient and tasty.

>>96316249
Night's Dark Masters, a WFRP 2nd ed book, good source. And yes they do care about their citizens, for the lowly pleb, getting sucke don by their lord is a high honour. They're alos kept in total ignorance of the rest of the Empire, who they think is a barren wasteland filled with freaks and other weirdos

>>96316233
I don't care what anyone says, I think these models are neat.

>>96316233
>>96316278
Of course, Dwarf models are the best, 2 part body, then 2 arms and you're done, plus they looks great all ranked up.
Not to mentrion there's little to no random shit on them too, unlike Empire.

>>96316314
>Not to mentrion there's little to no random shit on them

>>96316336
Well, how many Dwarf models with hourglasses, poches, swords, daggers, skulls, bones, parchments, shoes, boots, no shoes, mismatching armour, different shield, and all on the same sprue.

>>96316277
>Tfw no busty vampire countess to suck my shit dry

>>96316634
For your own good please stop watching pornography. It is seeping into your thinking about unrelated topics and it tells. Frankly, I bet the average person could tell you are a porn addict just from looking at you as you walk down the street. That won't happen of course because lets be real when was the last time you left your house.

Anyone know where I can get a recast of the old Ogre Kingdoms tyrant, current one looks like he took too much Ozempic/got bogged
Pic related

>>96316998
vs the chad

>>96316998
I always thought this was made by the sculptor with a banner standard conversion in mind

>>96314695
There are no ltimelines. ToW basically started with saying End Times happens as it was writen

>>96317057
That would make way more sense than somehow making that dual wield work

>>96317084
technically I see a few

It's been almost a month without any TOW news (not counting the mto metal Bretonnians).
When will we get new stuff or any piece of news?

>>96317247
Ogre rework soon™

Guys, is this list decent?

>>96317260
Sorry, I'm a retard
===
WAAAGH! [1996 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Orc & Goblin Tribes, Open War
===

++ Characters [626 pts] ++

Night Goblin Oddnob [130 pts]
- Hand weapon
- On foot

Orc Warboss [303 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Heavy armour
- General
- Boar Chariot
- Trollhide Trousers
- Da Choppiest Choppa
- 'Eadbuttin' 'At
- Enchanted Shield

Black Orc Bigboss [193 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Full plate armour
- Shield
- Battle Standard Bearer [Da Angry Ladz Flag]
- War Boar
- Porko's Pigstikka

++ Core Units [589 pts] ++

40 Night Goblin Mob [272 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Thrusting spears
- Shields
- Netters
- Boss (champion)
- Standard bearer
- Musician
- 3x Fanatics [Fanatic ball & chain]

5 Goblin Wolf Rider Mob [60 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Shortbows
- Feigned Flight

5 Goblin Wolf Rider Mob [60 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Shortbows
- Feigned Flight

30 Orc Mob [197 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Light armour
- Shields
- Boss (champion)
- Standard bearer
- Musician

++ Special Units [486 pts] ++

20 Black Orc Mob [286 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Full plate armour
- 12x Shields
- 8x Great weapons
- Boss (champion)
- Standard bearer
- Musician

7 Orc Boar Boy Mob [200 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Cavalry spears
- Heavy armour
- Shields
- Big 'Uns
- Boss (champion)
- Standard bearer [Waaagh! Banner]
- Musician

++ Rare Units [295 pts] ++

Doom Diver Catapult [95 pts]

Giant [200 pts]
- Giant's club
- Light armour

---
Created with "Old World Builder"

[https://old-world-builder.com]

>>96317260
I would comment a silly joke about there not being a list but I think you'd find that annoying

>>96317266
Looks decent. Not cheesy or underpowered but decent.

>>96317255
Great Maw willing, man.

>>96317255
Sorry m8, but they're stuck on AoS forever.

>>96317317
AoS is getting new ones soon, tow might be getting the old ones like with warriors of chaos

Orc & Goblin Tribes [498 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Orc & Goblin Tribes, Open War

Orc Bigboss, Great weapon, General, Dead 'Ard Armour - 94
14 Orc Mob, Shields, Big 'Uns, Full Command - 129
20 Goblin Mob, Full Command - 97
7 Orc Mob - 35
5 Orc Boar Boy Mob, Cavalry spears, Heavy armour, Shields, Boss (champion) - 98
1 Stone Troll Mob - 45

How is this for a 500 point O&G army? Coming from WoC and looking to give them a go.

>>96317393
The 7 orc mob have warbows

>>96317289
>>96317317
Ate AOS
Ate Circle bases
Ate human skin colour

Luv me maw
Luv me square bases
Luv me kahki skin

>>96317239
Arguably, I see one more.

For WFRP, is there a book that deals with the Asrai? I went through the Lorelorn portion of Archives of the Empire I, really nice and well made but I can't find the same for Athel Loren just yet. Is it to be found in older editions?

>>96317694
>For WFRP, is there a book that deals with the Asrai?
No, it's been a joke among the WFRP community for decades that the Wood Elves have been ignored by every publication since the 1st edition of the game

>>96317586
God, so many great games.

I spent more than a few evenings on Return of Reckoning. I saw that they pushed out a new dungeon. If anyone loves PvP, labour of love projects and jank, this game is fantastic (with friends/guilds).

>>96317735
Lmao. That tracks. I'm hoping we'll get a Wood Elves player guide "soon" then, the Dwarf and High Elves ones are fantastic.

>>96317586
vermintide doesn't present anything that retcons the main timeline, it's still within the canon of what ultimately happened, even if there's a few leeway regarding how our heroes look like during and by the end of it, due to the choice of class, but it doesn't present any open end (yet).

why wouldn't total war 2 and 3 fall within the same continuity as the 1st?

>>96317746
Maybe but we don't really know what's coming out for WFRP except for the Marianburg splat book

>>96317776
With TOW TTRPG being released, I hope they don't drop the WFRP range is all.

>>96317788
C7 staff members and the owner have repeatedly said they won't in interviews and point out that next year is WFRP 40th anniversary.

storm of chaos was great

>>96317838
Sick.

>40th anniversary
Fucking hell, is it that old? Jesus.

>>96317889
Yeah, the first edition lasted from 1986 to 2005 with off an on surrport from GW to Hogshead until GW took back full control with Second edition

>>96317738
>Return of Reckoning
I'd probably try it for myself, if I hadn't become so uninterested of MMOs.

>>96317754
>vermintide doesn't present anything that retcons the main timeline
Vermintide 2 seems take place a couple of years after the End Times and the destruction of the World.
>why wouldn't total war 2 and 3 fall within the same continuity as the 1st?
Well they're all part of the same continuity, though I just wanted to demonstrate them by order of events (3 > 2 > 1).

>>96318008
That's seven real life years since the last time players got to explore that same location in vermintide1, not a secret message about the game being an alternative timeline to the end times canon.

>>96318066
>not a secret message
Of course it's not, it's at plane sight, and mission messages (save of course those directly related to gameplay) tend to be shown and described within universe.

>>96317239
So this is prime secondary cope behavior

>>96317005
This ones actually significantly smaller.

>>96317005
Probably Mysterious Forgery on yoyhammer?

>>96318187
I'm not saying those are canon, I'm saying that there are events presented in alternative continuities to the canonical one and those are the ones.

>>96317447
Had someone mention something strange to me about ogres the other day. They come from 40k to fantasy and said ogres are just Tyranids. Not sure how I feel about that.

Would you anons recommend Warhammer Armies Project? I'm a 6th ed fag, and I've only ever played that edition and a tiny bit of 7th as well, and from what I've seen from the army books, it looks like balance is all over the place. But the most important question is, is it fun?

>>96318292
They're not, there's just a passing resemblance in the fact that their motivation is to eat stuff, but that's all there is to it. It's a total simplification that doesn't even consider the ogres as mercenaries, which is also one of the core aspects of their identity.

>>96317738
Is it just a WoW clone with a warhammer skin? Is there anything mechanically that makes it worth playing?

>>96318314
That was my argument too. They have culture as well, crude as it is.

>>96318316
>mechanically that makes it worth playing?
Aside from vermintide none of the warhammer games are worth playing

>>96318317
>>96318314
I've heard the theory that the great maw is a tyranid but I think that's strictly head canon.

>>96318316
One major change that sounds minor: model collision. You can't walk through eachother.
Content and class design wise it's obviously very different, and over all a more interesting class mix. Goblin shamans are dps/healer where casting heals back to back makes next single attack spell damage go up by 20% per heal, casting attack spells back to back makes next single heal spell heal amount go up by 20%.

>>96318292
No, we know for a fact that ogres were made by the old ones on this world, at best there's the speculation regarding the great maw, which some fanfictions depicted as a tyranid organism that crashed on the planet and infected the ogres' psyche so they would devour stuff for it, but it doesn't hold much ground, the maw was explicitly a warpstone meteor.

Any alternatives for new GW Tomb King models that dont look shit?

>>96318366
kitbash. Dont worry with your skills you'd turn the most beautiful sculpts into sloppy shit.

>>96317260
>choppa
>stabba
Yes.

>>96318366
there are plenty of 3d printed alternative (highland miniatures, one page rules, lost kingdom miniatures, ghamak, tzarli factory, other random makers)
wargames atlantic has some generic undead skeleton plastic kits
maxmini has an expansive range of relatively inexpensive resin minis

what are you after, specifically?

>>96318396
Were nehekharans shaped like gorillas or what the fuck is going on here

>>96318408
that's a bone giant

are they the remains of an actual giant or bones of various large creatures that the kangs assembled in the shape of a giant? that's for you to decide

>>96318435
I thought it was neither. Like the rest of their constructs it's a statue made from marble or granite or whatever.
But like, it's honestly a yer dudes situation regardless

>>96318316
It's 100% a pvp focused game with an emphasis on open world pvp.

The standard group size is 6, in a 2/2/2 layout, with thanks, dps and healer.

Whe the game truly shines is in mass pvp, with warbands made of 24 people on discord, led by a warband leader telling you what to do.

Gotta say I've felt few highs as good as being a Knight of the Blazing Sun (Tank), sticking to my assigned DPS like glue to protect him (tanks have a guard system where if you're close to your guard target you actually absorb a lot of the damage passively so you HAVE to stay close) whilst my guild warband plows through uncoordinated pick up groups 3 times our numbers. You're a cog in a machine but when it works, it fucking works.
And each role is crucial. Tanks have to punt fuckers away to disrupt heals and guards so that you can whack dps/healers for example.

You have keep/fortresses defense actions where you'll hop in a zone with your group and if you're good, you can read end a massive group of randoms/unprepared cunts and completely change the day to save the besieged defenders. Or you can try a daring jump from the battlements to flank the sieging forces and destroy their ram to stop the siege.

Another glorious moment is litterally holding the gate with bodyblocking. As another anon mention, combat enables collision (to an extent). And you definitely get a special kind of tingles when you're standing in front of a warband of dozens of people, holding the line, so that no one can enter, whilst your healers are desperately keeping you alive, until the doors of the keep can be closed via an outside allied group running a supply mission.

Honestly a fantastic game, with quite the learning curve that truly comes into its own with a big group of regular players on voicechat.

And it's free, maintained by the community. Definitely recommended.

Pic related is the dudes from my former guild. I miss those bastards.

>>96318492
>Knight of the Blazing sun
Black orc for me. Tank is a god damned fucking boss role in the game.
>Another glorious moment is litterally holding the gate with bodyblocking. As another anon mention, combat enables collision (to an extent).
Also direction mattered, cause as black orc I had an ability to give everyone behind me something like 40% damage reduction cause I was shield walling a gate.

>>96318454
That fluff was added in 8th edition when they added the sphinxes and didn't really want the bone giant to feel left out from being a statue.

But the bone giant was made of bones before that, it would be neat if the 8th ed lore was represented with an optional upgrade to bring its toughness up to 8 like the sphinxes were.
But then again the sphinxes got debuffed to T6 in TOW, and even the cathayan statue doesn't reach T8 anymore (that one instead negates multiple wounds unlike the khemrian statues, so maybe they could get that as optional upgrade?)

I tried RoR last year and it's definitely not so fun or good anymore, unfortunately. They've squashed the tiers so now after rank 20 or so you are immediately thrust against the big boys. It's a very unpleasant experience unless you have a guild that is willing to carry you until you become competitive again. The low rank T1 stuff is still very fun and cool though.

>>96318531
Fuck I miss the game. Black orc was pure physical defense, chosen was magical defense. One of the abilities every tank had was targeted protection where you pick a target and you split the damage they took in half dealing it to you. So me and my buddy would protect each other as tank front liners. Black orc had roughly half the HP of the rest of the tanks, but took 1/3 the damage per physical hit and every 7 seconds if I hit something with an auto attack I gained 20% of my health back. Shit was so fun.

>>96318531
Yeah, Hold the Line!
Felt like a boss holding the gate by myself with that one ability that gave me like 60% damage reduction for 10 secs or something, enough time to rez the other tanks.

>>96318550
Yeah, admittedly, being thrown in T2-4 after the tutorial T1 is ROUGH, especially if you connect during Euro evening hours, which are the moments where most guilds are online. You'll get whacked by very optimised warbands or absolute zerg train where you can't do shit against massive numbers.

Thankfully there are tons of side contents to gear up nice and slow, but it's a tad hard to know about it if you don't have guildies telling you and pointing you on the right direction.

>>96318595
The Guard system of RoR is probably the best implementation of a tank in an MMO I've played. It really makes you the big dick thinker of the group because positioning is crucial. Close enough to protect your squishy dps, but also keeping an eye on the healers backline to swap guards on them if they grt focused, whilst trying to put other tanks to help focus enemy targets but ALSO trying to taunt casters and interrupt their spells. Shit was chaotic but when it worked, damn it felt like the perfectly oiled machine. You follow the warband leader and you deleted groups of randos several times your size.

>>96316314
The bodies go together so shittily. Maybe you have to put specific fronts on specific backs, but I can't recall the instructions saying so.

>>96317393
Please help a budding orc ladz

>>96318641
Nta, I never played WHO but what was the Chosen like? Apparently Bright Wizards were busted in retail but always curious how Chaos Chosen were.

>>96318396
Originally I was just looking for some cheaper alternatives to GW chariots and also some options for Tomb Scorpion but everything seems either bloated with details or soulless.

>>96317393
>How is this for a 500 point O&G army?
A very broad question boss. Wot is it u want from da Boyz? A competent force, randomness, something that will be totally opposite to your WoC, fun for you and for your opponent..? Or are you units fixed and you're just curious about headcount/loadout?

>>96318990
Chosen were two handed weapon tanks. I want to say that the amount of damage they did created magic shielding (think ward saves) and that shielding took half damage or something from spells but full damage from physical. Been a while since I played so I might be wrong on the mechanics. I do remember they needed to deal damage in order to survive though. If they stopped fighting they popped. So melee guys attacked faster than he could gain shielding, but mages needed cast time so he always tanked the spells.
Black orc was like playing a WS 5, toughness 8, 3 wound, 3+ armor piece of metal that gained one wound back a turn in combat. Only took one spell to kill him, but he don't die when fighting. In a battleground once I had 4 of the rogue knife stab class trying to shank me and they never got me below 75%. Then a bright wizard showed up and I died in 3 seconds.

>>96318990
Chosen are the Destruction counterpart of Knights of the Blazing Sun and are, with KotBS, the simplest tanks to play because they relied on auras. Basically your auras did most of the leg work so you just had to make your build and pcik the right ones and you were already doing a big portion of your basic work.

Compared to other tanks like Black Orcs or, god forbid, Black Guards, who are micro-management MONSTERS, it's a very easy class to play.

More offensive than it's Order counterparts, which means the 2handed off-spec can actually pull off decent damage/CC.

The actual group play remains the same as all tanks. Stay glued to your dps to ne within guard range, switch guards whenever a healer gets focused, punt enemy tanks away from their guard targets, interrupt casters and you're already doing like 90% of your job.

Bright wizards are all right in RoR, it's not like there's one class that is high above the rest, except maybe shaman due to the gobbo passive making them fast fleeing little shits that nobody can goddamn catch. FUCK YOU GOBBOS

>>96319044
?

I think GW's chariots are alright, their issue is more on the charioteers and horses, which I think would require a call to a recaster to get a few extra tomb guards bits to make the charioteers look better, while the horses can improve massively if you pose them so they're not looking ahead in such a stiff way

>>96319157
Well, maybe I just to stick with the GW chariots. I'm not a big fan of this design. Mostly I'm just looking something that would just look like the old scorpions.

>>96313229 (OP)
>TQ
Queek Headtaker. I just think he's neat.

On a related note, I wonder if they'll ever release a sort of 'heroes of the end times' supplement with rules for all of the named characters of "modern day" WHF.

>>96319264
https://gofile.io/d/HZwo9F
this might be a scan, or it might be trash

>>96319119
I only really hated bright wizards cause they started the fights at such distant range. They were squishy enough that I could beat them in a stand-up fight, but I'd often die before getting close to them. I wouldn't even call them unbalanced at the time, just very optimized for their role.

>>96319374
>https://gofile.io/d/HZwo9F
not that anon but very nice thanks

Since there's supposed to be more of the Asur in the Eonir compared to the Asrai, I'm thinking of making my Wood Elves look a little more High Elf-y since I'm trying to build a Laurelorn forest force.
I'm thinking of making them mostly woodland lads but with a few High Elf bits and pieces. For example, Eternal Guard with High Elf Spearmen shields and spears. Glade Guard with High Elf Archer bows and banners, combine the Araloth and plastic High Elf noble kits to make a more Eonor-esque leader etc.
Thoughts?

>>96319869
I might also swap Eternal Guard heads with the Helf spearmen's helmets to more resemble this bit of art.

>>96319374
>https://gofile.io/d/HZwo9F
yeah this looks nice ty

>>96319869
I think you should just find a recaster willing to give you shadow warriors in bulk to convert your various units
They're pretty much that look, once painted green

What should I do with my old slayer pirates if I want to play ToW? Is there a unit that fits them.

>>96320104
Slayers perhaps

How do you guys pick your paints? Do you just peruse the paint racks and pick what you think looks nice or do you do online research for colors first?

>>96320056
I really hate all models where they hold both a bow and another weapon >>96320104
The of World ?

>>96318008
Although the Vermintide thing doesn't fit, the world wasn't instantly unraveled in 2528 either. Its breakdown took decades, perhaps even subjective millennia as unknown champions and heroes fought among unraveling reality with the final stages being so messed up time stopped mattering and a dude could fight for ten thousand years without growing tired, killing the same opponent millions of times and other weird shit.

>>96320245
TOW

A wood elf NPC in my RP has been captured by the bad guys and naturally she's near-ferally struggling and spitting curses at her captors, but I'm not sure how to portraying the cursing part since I don't think an Asrai would say something like "fuck"

>>96320556
no

>>96320556
The boring answer is just go to the Kerrilian router and call everyone a Lumber foot or a Ylvathoi(which is elvish for imperfect your and is the fantasy equivalent of Mon-keigh)
Next to that, just start using Scottish insults(since Kerrlian has a somewhat posh Scottish accent) like calling them Bawbags and scraggy scrote, etc.
A more in-universe insult would probably involve elf gods like Khaine, Ellinill, Estreuth ect.

>>96320772
>Scottish insults
If you want to do that, go a little bit more niche and go Newfoundland insults.

>>96320832
that should be exclusive for dark elves

>>96320839
A fair point.
Creole then for Wood elves? They are near bretonnia after all

>>96320843
Creole would be High elves that live in Arnheim, since that is the closest geographic equivalent.
Asrai Wood elves would probably be a weird mix of Swiss and Burgundian insults if we use the same logic

>>96320556
>but I'm not sure how to portraying the cursing part
dark elf words
they have certain guttural, hard, hissing sounds that are audibly different from normal elf words

How likely is Games Workshop releasing a skirmish game for TOW in the (more or less near) future?

>>96321123
It's not out of the realm of impossibility, but I don't think it's likely

>>96320148
Online research, because I don't have space to keep my paints on display. I use the colour calibrated swatches that the guy from taleofpainters makes (albeit on my non colour calibrated screen), or I look for recipes on youtube or paintpad to try on a test mini of my own

>>96321123
Skirmish as in mordheim/warcry/killteam or skirmish as in spearhead/combat patrol ?
If it's the former not very, if it's the latter there's no way they haven't seriously discussed it already. Spearhead is doing wonders for aos, no doubt they want a similar concept for tow (and a functioning one for 40k)

>>96321798
Next Arcane Journal will probably have 500-point game rules like the Seize the Tower scenario.
So Border Patrol rules are already guaranteed.

Just found, what it seems to me, a lore inconsistency.
In 'Lords of Stone and Steel', as well as in 1st edition's 'Stone and Steel', the King of Zhufbar is called Morgrim Ironforge; However in 'Shadow of the Horned Rat' the protagonists meet the King of that Hold, Lord Ungrunn.
>picrel

How do you square this circle?

>>96322034
Ungrunn is his second name, more like a nickname actually.

>>96322034
Shadow of the Horned Rat is the one that's incorrect here and thus should be ignored at least in this example
It's not, it's the only inconsistency, for example, the male Kislivite Ice Wizerd, even though in later lore, only women are allowed to learn magic in Kislev.

>>96322034
Both are wrong. Barudin Stoneheart would be the current ruler of Zhufbar.

>>96320772
I thought Fantasy's Mon-keigh was Keigh-mon.
>>96321123
Your pic were the kino warbands made in 6th/7th edition which they could probably do these days, but for them it's easier to shove some sprues in a box and call it a battalion as opposed to including things like characters.

I have named and labeled the base of every model in my army.
My autism is satisfied.

>>96322204
>does not post pics

>>96322034
>>96322174
Ungrunn and Barundin are high-ranking lords who act as the King's representatives in diplomatic and military matters respectively.

Reposting from the end of last thread. Why is painting hair so hard?

>>96322563
I agree, and I'm not sure I get why. Painting fur is super easy but hair is difficult.

>>96322462
I'm going to do a big army pic probably tomorrow or the next day when it's all done. I still need to varnish and flock.

Pic rel isn’t mine. But I’m looking for the anon who painted them because I’m interested in learning how he painted them. Particularly the red color

>>96323122
I think he used red

>>96323129
>>96323122
Dark red with lighter red highlights.

>>96323122
bro just mix red with black, base coat the whole thing and then highlight with regular red
If you want a brighter highlight use yellow and cover it with a thinned out orange

>>96322563
Looks fine to me

>>96320556
They hate everyone.

And it's Keigh-Mon in Fantasy,

>>96323426
What about ogres, undead, and lizardmen?

>>96323516
There's none of those near the Wood Elves' realm.

>>96322563
There's no way to easily recreate the texture of hair with paint. The only way is to paint individual (albeit far thicker than they would actually be) strands.

>>96322563
I have used this guide from GW to paint blonde hair on my Necromunda minis, maybe it could give you some pointers or help in someway
>https://youtu.be/NElu2WaHMP4?si=2Y0muzjswDPmAsd2

I guess vampire counts are in fact not happening anytime soon.

>>96323916
Yeah something doesn't add up. Why subtract something people want when the division just multiplies everyone's frustrations. It's a miscalculation. Just functionally letting people know it's coming could have exponential hype value. But the root of the issue is they think the math doesn't work. Bastards with their imaginary numbers; i might not be enough but if there's at least two of us we can make a positive or negative change!
Anyway, long story short, I wouldn't count on it.

>>96323880
>that contrast step added for no reason to sell you 2 extra paints

>>96319063
>A competent force, randomness, something that will be totally opposite to your WoC, fun for you and for your opponent..?

Da last un boss and sumfin which can do good but not too gud. If I run into a PUG, it should do okay without gettin scragged too easy.

>>96323916
Good.

>>96322552
Except Barudin became king, after the death of his father Throndin.

>>96317393
I personally find that regular orc archers don't often make their points back compared to their goblin and night goblin counterparts. Sure, point for point you lose the extra range, but you gain the ability to move and shoot without penalty, and you get nearly twice as many shots.

A slightly cheesy option is the fact that orcs can have bows and handweapons for free, so you can turn your big block of biguns into bow users with literally no downside, as they'll still retain their hand weapons and shields. I'd also say that pushing that unit up to 20 by cutting something will make them an absolute menace on the charge against most things at 500p. My own big orc block at that point size rode roughshod over pretty much anything it came up against, from Saurus to big blocks of skeletons.

I personally like having a cheap lvl1 or 2 wizard at 500p, but I think magic is fun, so there.

>>96318492
God, I played basically all the classes up to the free cap of lvl 20 when I was younger, lots of fond memories of Warhammer Online. Pic related is still one of my favourite models for that reason, and leads my Orcs most of the time. Might have to give Return of Reckoning a shot.

>>96317266
Looks pretty good. I don't really rate the Doom Diver in Old World (Sad as that is to admit), so maybe swapping it out for a pair of Bolt Throwers or a Rock Lobba could save you some points to then use to either beef our your Boar Boyz or Wolf Mobs, or add some magic items to your wizard.

finished my tyrant on stonehorn, and my ogre army

>>96324634
Honestly go for it, RoR is tons of fun once you have a group of mates to play with.

It's a small community, between 500 to 2k people on the biggest nights but it makes for some good relations and great memories.

>>96324634
I like the idea gameplay wise to give arrows to me big uns but id like to keep in the spirot of the minis. I am planning on buying the classic big uns and mix em with regular boyz.

Reassuring to know they did their work for you. I found Chaos Warriors always had a mixed history for Chaos in use, but I wager Orc Big uns on foot saw more consistent use for O&G historically?

I know Boar Boy big uns are generally more optimal, but big baddy foot Orcs juat feels right.

>>96323426
Lol. Wood Elves are basically the Preppers of the Old World

>>96323587
say that to heinrich kemmler
>The Wood Elves remember Kemmler for the "Winter of Woes", a season in 2497 IC when he raised a vast army from the many cairns in the forest, ancient Human burial mounds that contained mystical energies closely linked to the health of Athel Loren
fucking woodies

>>96324846
tbf to them, the end times are just around the corner, so going full-on prepper isn't the worst idea, even some high elves got in it.

ETA?

>>96324873
Two more weeks.

>>96324877
>>96324873
It's already been given a release date in a warcom article a bit ago, just google it, coming out same date as the Preyton

Wrote a little short narrative for the previous game I played with some buddies

>>96324873
I can already see that gluing the dragon onto those rocks will annoy me as hell

Started painting my doom totem, do I leave it plain, paint a chaos star on it, or paint the icon of an alternative god as if one of their champions got turned into a flag? The latter sounds fun but might look a bit confusing

>>96324982
I think a basic chaos star would look best on it

>>96324982
now that's grim
maybe you could draw the symbols of the other gods champions on the back, but I think it would be important to not overdo it and make the symbols a bit different, as if to show they're symbols of tribes or individuals, rather than symbols to the gods

>>96325061
say for example you limit yourself to the banner being made in punishment to the defeated champions of khorne specifically, you can break apart the symbol of khorne and put it upside down or whatever on the back in various ways in correspondence with the various eyes to imply they belong to a champion, and use blood to carry that theme and the idea the eyes are suffering
and then add a counter or norse script to imply some kind of tally or judgement

>read Gilead's Curse
>that ending narrator twist
lmao brutal, they can't help but be grimderp

>>96325107
Spoil me please. It looks like it got reamed on Goodreads.

Recently got into painting miniatures. For some reason I find painting metal minis to be more difficult.

>>96325163
It's presented as a Bard retelling the tale hoping it passes on, with meta commentary every few chapters.
It ends revealing she's been telling it to an audience in a Kislev tavern who couldn't understand her and thought she was annoying. She dies as the story finishes and they feed her to wolves, glad she's shut up but lamenting the loss of warmth from another body in a utilitarian way.
The story is all about a buried Tomb King in Nuln and the plot to awaken him. They don't kill the King or destroy his tomb so it's very much a joke about the forgotten threat as much as it is the heroes and their deeds being forgotten.

>>96325268
Try dry brushing metallics tbhon. I hate the viscosity of metal pigments
https://youtube.com/shorts/rI4-YzWiBD0?si=LckVfZxEAHCPizda

>>96325281
>She dies as the story finishes and they feed her to wolves, glad she's shut up but lamenting the loss of warmth from another body in a utilitarian way.

So they just kill a random woman and dump her body? Jesus

>>96325293
I will give it a try - Thank you for the critique, video!

>>96325281
Also I'd recommend it, the bulk of the book is investigating the source of a plague and hunting a Bret Vampire Knight. Great noble warrior othered by society stuff.
>>96325309
Nah, she died naturally as though her last task on earth was to pass on the warning.

>>96325316
Ooooh ok. Little less grim but bit cruel not to bury her.

>>96325268
I find most metallic paints go really gloopy really fast. I think it might be the metallic flakes gumming them up or something. Drybrushing is good as anon said, or on the complete opposite end of the spectrum, Vallejo metal colour is a dream to work with. It stays fluid on your palette for ages and covers literally in one brush stroke. It's incredibly runny though so you have to be careful not to let it wick into surrounding details. Metal colour dark aluminium is pretty close to leadbelcher.

>>96324433
>fun for you and for your opponent
>sumfin which can do good but not too gud
I think it's a nice sportsmanly list for 500pts, but possibly a little under-optimised in that you're taking a few units with drawbacks without taking many of the units that compensate. Plus if you're planning to expand it to a larger force, I'd consider a couple of things...

Firstly, what are the goblin mob intended to do. Imo they're pretty outclassed by night goblins which are not impetuous and can also take fanatics. Common goblins do have an extra point of leadership over night goblins so arguably would be a better tarpit, but they're not great at that, plus I don't think that makes up for the loss of control (impetuous) and loss of deterrent (no fanatics).
That being said, I am a respecter of the common goblin aesthetic so do have a unit of them in my army for fun.

Second, the arrer boyz... As anon says, having a unit of orc boyz with free bows is a nice bump in versatility, but a bit situational if you ask me. And especially if you're just taking 7 of them, I would question how useful they'll be. For their points you're not far off a goblin bolt thrower, or a cheap goblin character to babysit your troll.

Which brings us to the troll - I think that's a fun choice, but it's almost 10% of your points and the stupid rules could see it out of action for multiple turns. Hence babysitting.

And lastly as anon says, the orc unit looks good, but potentially a bit low on numbers. However at 500 points I don't think it's drastically low numbers.

So yeah I think you could help yourself out by concentrating your units a bit more, maybe swapping for night goblins, babysitting the troll etc, all of which I think would make for a more balanced time for you (between things going wrong and things going right) and still not be at all cheesy for your opponent. And then you have a decent base to expand from too.

Started painting some more Gors for my herd.
What are you Anons working on?

>>96318292
Not the ogres but there is an obscure species in fantasy that are tyranid scouts that i can't remember the name of

>>96325617

Slowly working on my Knights (Errant) for my Errantry Crusade. This guy is coming along well, the cloth has worked out nicely, and I hope to finish the rest of him today. (Lance next).

I also came to the realisation today that Errants and other impetuous units within my Errantry Crusade will be a lot stronger after 1.5, given that it's now a leadership check (And therefore the Crusader's Vow will presumably allow it to be rerolled, since it gives units Veteran)

>>96325670
Really nice stuff anon, well done

>impetuous units within my Errantry Crusade will be a lot stronger after 1.5, given that it's now a leadership check
And conversely goblins will be a lot more susceptible to it, especially since they're not allowed to use horde and warband bonuses towards it iirc. As a goblin player I can't even complain, it's way more fluffy that way. I still preferred animosity though

>>96325685
Can't gobbos use the generals leadership which can use warband?

>>96325690
I've just looked at the faq again and think purely RAW, maybe yes they can? But I don't think it's intended that way and I'd never play it as such

>>96325776
retvrn

>>96325445
Sounds like an interesting option, thank you!

>>96324686
Hell yeah.

>>96325776
So tempted to just do goblin green sand for a classic base, but I really want to try my hand at forest bases... I'll do Goblin Green rims either way thoughbeit

>>96326977
In case it helps, I did extensive testing and found that Duncan Rhodes goblinoid green is pretty much a 1:1 match for the 1990s hexpot goblin green

>>96325524
Thank you for the detailed post man.

To answer your questions:

>common goblins

As you guessed, tarpit or a bait unit. They take a charge and my big uns and boars get shtuck in. Or opposite if big uns are charged. Plus a 4+ armour save in melee. Not good, not optimal but can take hits OK.

Also theme. Common orcs and gobbos, no hoodies or blorcs. Night gobbos I could equip with arrows and 2 fanatics but the big boss tax digs into other areas of the army.

>arrer boyz

Shoot to pick off 1 or 2 but a reserve counter charge unit if a side is pressured. Its, again, not optimal, just utility.

Name of the game is theme with semi viability

>troll

I squeezed in a great weapon. He isn't going to wim duels or kill a unit by himself but a nice support for the gobbos.

Does anyone have any good tips, guides or advice for making a Beastmen herdstone?

>>96327557
cut a piece of mdf for the base, find a suitable shaped rock outside™, glue it to the base, add details, paint

>>96327557
Cut a piece of xps foam, stiple that shit with all kind of greys, browns and greens, dry brush, paint some runes on it, add some skulls around the base and that's pretty much it. It should be pretty easy to do.

In TOW, how is moving onto a hill handled? Does a unit have to spend movement to get up the vertical portion? Or is it just treated like horizontal movement and the vertically is ignored? All I saw in the rules is that hills are treated as open ground.

>>96318317
>They have culture as well, crude as it is.
Their culture isn't that crude imo. It's pretty nuanced as far as fantasy cultures go. Brutal but more developed than most.

>>96325357
It's Kislev. In winter, burying a body probably isn't an option.

>>96327973
Yeah just measure how far they move. I'll note you'll probbaly want to have your hills slope gently due to how TOW works.

>>96328036
Thanks kindly. What about it makes having slopes useful?

>>96328055
Gently slopes mean you don't have to individually position models or risk you movement tray tipping over.

>>96327557
ra

roo

>>96328069
Fair enough, thanks again.

Fought another battle with Korgoth and his horde against Dwarfs. 1k battle, Korgoth lead his chosen knights around to flank while the army made a general advance.

Like tidal waves against rocks, the Chaos army bounced from tje formidable longbeards and warriors, the ogres, marauders and Warriors breaking! Fortunately Dwarfen stubby legs could not catch em!

The Chaos Chosen lead by Korgoth tore into the flank at last. Decapitating the BSB, the Chosen Knkghts mulched the remaining Longbeards, general and warriors, leaving only the crossbows left.

For Chaos, the Warriors, hounds and 3 knights were left.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

A second battle at 500 was similarly bloody. Lead by the Iron General on steed, the khorne warriors reinacted Belly Hill being charged, fleeing and escaping the Dwarfs.

The Maraudere were torn to shreds, but again the Chaos Knights flanked and tore into the infantry. By the end, only hounds, knights and the thane's warriors were left, ending in a draw.

GLORY TO CHAOS

>>96327557
I know it's an AoS model but it's a shame they got rid of it entirely. Yeah there's some sigmarine shit on it but just cut that off.

>>96325651
Zoats

Expeditionary Force list I've been using with pretty good results in my local scene, and is slightly more fun and maneuverable than other dwarf lists. Like some advice on how I can adjust it for an upcoming tournament.
++ Characters [878 pts] ++
Burlok Damminson [85 pts]
(Furnace hammer, Rivet gun, Heavy armour, General)

Runesmith [95 pts]
(Hand weapon, Full plate armour, Shield, Rune of Spellbreaking)

Thane [138 pts]
(Hand weapon, Crossbow, Full plate armour, Shield, On foot, Rune of Rapid Fire, Rune of Accuracy, Master Rune of Bursting Flame)

Engineer [237 pts]
(Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Great weapon, Handgun, Battle Standard Bearer [Master Rune of Grungni + Rune of Battle], Master Rune of Gromril)

Engineer [108 pts]
(Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Handgun, Rune of Concussive Force, Rune of Accuracy)

Engineer [107 pts]
(Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Great weapon, Handgun, Rune of Concussive Force, Rune of Rapid Fire)

Engineer Sapper [108 pts]
(Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Handgun, Rune of Concussive Force)

++ Core Units [547 pts] ++
22 Thunderers [279 pts]
(Hand weapons, Handguns, Heavy armour, Shields, Expeditionary Marksmen, Veteran (champion) [Handgun], Standard bearer, Musician)

8 Rangers [104 pts]
(Hand weapons, Crossbows, Throwing axes, Heavy armour, Shields)

8 Rangers [104 pts]
(Hand weapons, Crossbows, Throwing axes, Heavy armour, Shields)

1 Scout Gyrocopters [60 pts]
(Hand weapons, Clatterguns, Heavy armour)

++ Special Units [454 pts] ++
Cannon [100 pts]
(Cannon, Hand weapons, Light armour)

12 Miners [194 pts]
(Hand weapons, Great weapons, Heavy armour, Blasting Charges, Open Order, Prospector (champion) [Steam drill])

Cannon [100 pts]
(Cannon, Hand weapons, Light armour)

1 Scout Gyrocopters [60 pts]
(Hand weapons, Clatterguns, Heavy armour)
Organ Gun [120 pts]

>>96328692
I have no ill will towards AoS, but it is truly annoying how many models made for it feature Stormcast bits and trophies. Even one of the Fanatics has the indent of a Stormcast mask on his ball.

>>96313229 (OP)
>Vampire Counts
>Play Blood Dragons
Nobody. I guess Konrad could be an honorary Blood Dragon.

>>96317005
>>96316998
Old one looks better in generalm for new one I like the belly tusks more and the giant spear goes pretty hard.

>>96329915
Old one doesn't look important enough, he could work as a bruiser or a unit champion, but definitely not as a tyrant. That's the main reason I like the plastic one and hate that old turd, the other being that dynamic poses with flailing arms invariably suck.

>>96329908
They should give rules and models at least to Walach and Abhorash.

>>96328200
>>96328222
Nice anon, it's good to see some regular reports coming in.

>>96329993
Imo abhorash should remain a figure of legend only, it's still nice to have some of those in the world to retain the sense that there's always someone or something more powerful out there. But Walach for sure. Iirc he has an icon on that big map they made for TOW so it's very possible.

>>96330494
bloodknights have never looked like that

>>96329993
Walach sure, Abhorash fuck no. Abhorash is meant to be a shadowy figure hidden in lore giving him rules would be like giving Nagash rules.

Honestly I think the Red Duke would be cool especially if they included some sort of fallen Bret or mortal thralls list which included options for some Bret men at arms and knights and/or some imperial knights and state troops. Something like

>Troops
state troops, men at arms (must take at least one unit of either), knights errant
>special
Kotr, empire knights
>rare
Empire cannon, trebuchet

Not too sure about restrictions maybe mortals have a feature like if your general dies they have to take a moral test or flee or maybe undead characters can't join mortal units

>>96330498
I never said they did

>>96330747
That art does.

>>96330498
The helmet and shield are different but it looks close enough to the official models.

>>96330883
No they don’t

>>96330894
Proof?

>>96330937
Empire knights

>>96330617
Combing the best parts of 3 factions seems like it would need some balance

>>96329795
It kind of makes sense that they'd take trophies of the space marines but yeah the stormcast tax is annoying.

>>96329781
If I met your list I would try to quickly pick off your smaller units and shoot down the cannons with my own artillery. Meanwhile taking as many objectives as possible. The unit of thunderers where I guess you would have most of your characters would be more or less ignored unless I have nothing else to shoot at.

In your list I would take one engineer less, delete the unit of miners and instead take a organ gun and increase the size of the two ranger units.

Does anyone have access or have the files for a scan of Long Drongs Pirates? I want to prepare for the Slayers armies of infamy but have if I'm having more than one unit of Slayers I'd like to have a different looking one.

How anal are people about third party sculpts if they look like the unit and are painted decent enough? I want to use some Highland stuff to fill in gaps for some stuff like Slayers and Rangers or a few Empire things.

>>96331686
My LGS is pretty cool with proxies and 3rd party sculpts. The guys there are pretty understanding of how pricey some of the metal shit is. I still sometimes order metal models cause theyre one of the few stores I know around that can order online only models.

So, what is the opinion on the Graham McNeil Sigmar series?

>>96331531
https://gofile.io/d/wb31nv

>>96331769
It needs a sequel.

>>96331839
With Miao Ying.

>>96331853
*zhao ming

>>96331811
Valaya's blessing upon you, honorable dawi

>>96331853
>>96331873
>implying the journey to the east shouldn't ape the journey to the west and involve the monkey king

This

>>96331432
Thanks for the feedback. Burlock is it in for ignoring long range and rerolling 1s, the BSB is in it for 2 additional static combat res and 5+ ward, and the Runesmith is there for anti-magic and Armour Bane(2). I may get rid of the engineer's Gromil as I find it almost never comes up (I usually try to keep him out of base contact anyhow using terrain or whatever.)
I agree on nearly every point.
>Delete 1 engineer, add organ gun
Was considering doing this anyhow, will do
>Delete unit of miners
While I completely agree they aren't great (and get shot off the board more often than not,) I'm gonna try a bit harder with them; I want to see if I can make them work consistently. I'd probably delete them if I was trying to win at all costs, but I find it makes things a little more interactive for my opponent, and feels awesome when I manage to come out of the ground and charge someone's rear.
>Increase the size of the two ranger units
I've been using them to screen my war machines against attacks. They usually do a lot of chip damage then die occupying bigger stuff for two rounds of combat. There may be a better use of course.
Also considering adding a cart for stand and shoot against cavalry charges for my Thundererunit and to protect an exposed flank while I march up the board, though I dono if that'd actually work out.

>>96331811
Crossbowmen? What edition? Or are they Rangers?

>>96331811
thanks a lot

>>96331914
Shoot. Meant for >>96331853

But seriously, didn't some anon say a few threads ago that a sequel to God-King had been in the works, before being scrapped?

>>96325524
Did some moving around and came up with this:

Orc & Goblin Tribes [499 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Orc & Goblin Tribes, Open War

Orc Bigboss, Great weapon, General, Dead 'Ard Armour - 94
14 Orc Mob, Shields, Big 'Uns, Boss (champion) - 119
14 Orc Mob, Shields, Boss (champion) - 91
15 Goblin Mob, Shortbows - 60
5 Orc Boar Boy Mob, Cavalry spears, Heavy armour, Shields - 90
1 Common Troll Mob, 1x Great weapons - 45

Bit of a stronger core with less goblins who have shortbows to shoot quickly into enemies. Two orc ground units, one big un and normal.

Sigmar's Journey to the east SHOULD NOT include the Monkey King until the very last pages where it would be revealed that the Miao Ying who had been with him for 3/4 of the story was actually the Monkey King in disguise.

>>96332048
I can't find the original source for this, but from what I recall, McNiel said it was a pitch that he gave to BL, but due to circumstances such as the lack of sales on Fantasy books and The End Times coming up it was pushed aside and forgotten about.
I don't think it would be revived, as McNeil does not work for GW or BL anymore

>>96327557
Looked up a few things and got inspiration for a herdstone with an altar. The leftover pieces from cutting the foam made for some perfect miscellaneous rocks for some terrain pieces.

>>96332122
that would be funny, but also kind of a disappointing asspull/cliffhanger that would undo any and all interactions

what would actually be just as funny, if not funnier, and on top of that not undo the interactions of the book, would be to have one chapter in the first half of the book where the monkey king pulls that prank on sigmar, and then sigmar (as well as the reader) spends the rest of the book with the frustrating suspicion that at any given point when he separates and meets again with her, it might be the monkey again

>>96332150
The altar is modular for ease of storage and transport and it also slots a 25mm base into it, perfect for a sacrifice or to empower someone standing on it

>>96331686
I personally like it. It adds variety over and above paintjobs. I have a few GW armies but most of my time goes into my fully printed ones these days because I like the variety so much. However I think there's a big difference between a nicely printed and painted army that sticks to the aesthetics of the game, and unpainted proontslop that looks nothing like Warhammer, and I'd take issue with the latter.
Plus WHFB was dead for like 9 years, so of any game I find this one is the most accepting of alternative models, since they were almost a necessity for a good while.

>>96331686
P.s. the Highland dwarfs are so common that even non-printers and casual gamers know them by name, so imo you should be good

>>96330494
No he shouldn't, bloodline progenitors aren't primarchs and they've had models and rules since before you learned to walk.
>>96330617
Lol no, a mixed list with state troops and empire knights should be a von Carstein AoI. Blood Dragons should get (possibly cheaper) blood knights in special, riderless zombie dragon in rare, no necromancers and no wights.

>>96332072
Noice. Thanks for the follow up anon it's nice to see your musings on your list.
And now for some unsolicited advice lol so please feel free to disregard..
I wonder if there's some way to get banners and musicians in your orc mobs. They help with combat res, which I feel like those mobs will rely on, and of course banners are a great hobby opportunity too. My first instinct to free up some points would be to remove the armour and shields from the boar boyz, because really they should be breaking units on their charge (or flank charging as support maybe, but either way shouldn't be in protracted combats imo). Something to think about if you continue to tweak the list. Let us know how your battles go!

>>96332213
>No he shouldn't, bloodline progenitors aren't primarchs and they've had models and rules since before you learned to walk.
Anon I was literally playing undead as my first army in 4th edition. "But moooom, they get a bloodline progenitor so why can't we" is a bit of a weak man's argument imo, I'm not interested in what other bloodlines are doing, this is abhorash we're talking about. To each their own though.

>>96325617
Since I was working on a bridge, all models had to wait. But today I've managed to finish my first 3 militiamen of a 10-man detachment and started the next 3. Of course since I've cut way more bricks that I needed there's a ruin forming in my mind and it may took priority after I'm done with some initial planning/scretches.

>>96332263
He's nothing special other than not needing to feed anymore.
>muh 4e oldfaggery
Post models or be forever mocked as a fake grog.

>>96331811
Thank you for helping in keeping this hobby alive

Made a piece of a stone brick wall from smaller pieces of foam I still had around.

>>96332329
I have smartphone pictures of physical photographs of my models from that time, complete with photobucket watermark as that's where I uploaded them in the early 00s, but they're on a hard drive somewhere and I'm not inconveniencing myself to fish them out today. Maybe another time. Iirc I had skeletons, zombies, mummies, a necromancer, skeleton cavalry, a black coach, and a lead screaming skull catapult. Half of them were hand-me-downs from my mum's friend's kid across the street and half were bits I bought afterward.

Alright anons, I am a complete noob to this game and mostly buying shit off of a russian recast site and ebay.

===
Dawi Test list [1500 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Dwarfen Mountain Holds, Open War
===

++ Characters [417 pts] ++

Daemon Slayer [148 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Additional hand weapon
- Rune of Wrath

Engineer [50 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Heavy armour

King [154 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Great weapon
- Full plate armour
- General
- On foot
- Rune of Fury

Runesmith [65 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Heavy armour

++ Core Units [578 pts] ++

15 Dwarf Warriors [210 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Heavy armour
- Shields
- Drilled
- Veteran
- Veteran (champion)
- Standard bearer [Rune of Fear]
- Musician

10 Longbeards [173 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Great weapons
- Heavy armour
- Elder (champion) [Master Rune of Swiftness]
- Standard bearer
- Musician

10 Thunderers [105 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Handguns
- Heavy armour
- Veteran (champion) [Handgun]

10 Dwarf Warriors [90 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Heavy armour
- Great weapons

++ Special Units [365 pts] ++

Grudge Thrower [95 pts]
- Stone thrower
- Hand weapons
- Light armour

Grudge Thrower [95 pts]
- Stone thrower
- Hand weapons
- Light armour

2 Gyrocopters [120 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Steam gun
- Full plate armour

Bolt Thrower [55 pts]
- Bolt thrower
- Hand weapons
- Light armour

++ Rare Units [140 pts] ++

Goblin-Hewer [140 pts]
- Goblin-hewer
- Hand weapons
- Rune of Reloading
- Rune of Forging

---
Created with "Old World Builder"

Here is my 1500 point list. I wanted to include cool shit with the idea I am just throwing everything and the kitchen sink at the enemy. I envision about 10 or so wounds a turn on my enemy with ranged attacks which isn’t amazing but my idea is if I just really focus fire one unit at a time I can make my enemy hit his break point alot quicker.

>>96332506
Also here is my alternative idea but I am basically going to have to buy a battalion box to run this shit and I was trying to avoid giving GeeDubs my money.
===
Dawi Test list [1490 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Dwarfen Mountain Holds, Open War
===

++ Characters [417 pts] ++

Daemon Slayer [148 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Additional hand weapon
- Rune of Wrath

Engineer [50 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Heavy armour

King [154 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Great weapon
- Full plate armour
- General
- On foot
- Rune of Fury

Runesmith [65 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Heavy armour

++ Core Units [578 pts] ++

15 Dwarf Warriors [210 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Heavy armour
- Shields
- Drilled
- Veteran
- Veteran (champion)
- Standard bearer [Rune of Fear]
- Musician

10 Longbeards [173 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Great weapons
- Heavy armour
- Elder (champion) [Master Rune of Swiftness]
- Standard bearer
- Musician

10 Thunderers [105 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Handguns
- Heavy armour
- Veteran (champion) [Handgun]

10 Quarrellers [90 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Crossbows
- Heavy armour

++ Special Units [245 pts] ++

Grudge Thrower [95 pts]
- Stone thrower
- Hand weapons
- Light armour

Grudge Thrower [95 pts]
- Stone thrower
- Hand weapons
- Light armour

Bolt Thrower [55 pts]
- Bolt thrower
- Hand weapons
- Light armour

++ Rare Units [250 pts] ++

5 Irondrakes [75 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Drakeguns
- Full plate armour

5 Irondrakes [75 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Drakeguns
- Full plate armour

Gyrobomber [100 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Brimstone gun
- Full plate armour

---
Created with "Old World Builder"

I know Iron Drakes are good but they look too much like AoS models to me to be a big fan. Same goes for most copter models as well. The older metal models looked great to me as they don’t have the weird scifi egg look but I have no interest in metal models on a flying base or trying to track those fuckers down anyway

>>96332370
Lmfao, fuck off back to 40k zoomie tourist.

>>96332506
Looks fun. (Cue the anon who gets triggered when dwarfs are called fun, lel)

Something your list would be good at is bombarding the enemy so much that they're forced to run across the board to get into combat with you so that you can't shoot them any more. So early on in the battle, try and position your melee units to receive the charges you want to receive. And then maybe funnel them into your units by using your gyros like sheepdogs.

Also I'm not sure there is much point in taking a champion on the thunderers, maybe I would drop that upgrade and buy another warrior for the GW unit instead (or some other melee unit if the points don't work out for a GW).

For future, I think there's an option in old world builder called "short descriptions" or something which cuts out standard equipment and makes the list a lot more readable (we all know dwarfs have hand weapons and heavy armour for example).

Out of interest, what's the plan for the lone daemon slayer?

>>96331914
The yellow fever coomerism shit is fucking pathetic. Porn posters get the rope

>>96332545
> Out of interest, what's the plan for the lone daemon slayer?
Artillery guard

The plan is to have the models set as a reverse horns of the zulu. I know that the enemy will try to hit full force at the ranged units with the center mass of their army. I also know they will try to flank on the sides hoping to get around the back if I don’t engage to get at the artillery. The goal is to just jam everyone and everything up into an absolute atrocious slog of a melee that will be hammered by the actual warriors. The ranged units are a sacrificial lamb, speedbump and bait.

If they somehow break the line in one go, they will then have a naked greased up retard ready to charge at them to jam them up once again before the 4 inch movement warriors can reach around and slap their ass.

Picture the army deployed like this __ -__
Forward most unit is a ranged unit, artillery park is behind it with the drunken hillbilly.

>>96331914
please stop sexualizing miao ying.
She is pure.

>>96332571
no :3

>>96318008
VT2 is ~2525 IC. Gelt got into necromancy (per Lohner), Isha was eaten by Allariele (per Kerilian's dialogue), but Ulthuan hasn't sunk yet. And Morrslieb got bigger, but wasn't blown up yet.

>>96332571
Pure of lust for strong Imperial men.

>>96332520
I know man, I'm so sorry to disappoint, but the hard drive with photos of my 1990s armies is in this cupboard which appears to be blocked by some old boxes of some sort, and unfortunately winning an internet argument against you is worth less to me than the effort required to move those boxes. Like I say, maybe another time.

>>96332571
Pure Longma producing factory.

>>96332569
>naked greased up retard
Kek. Sounds like a well thought through plan m8, have at it

>>96332150
>>96332175
>>96332361
Looks great anon. What are the bases made out of? MDF?

Did some errants this week, boys.

>>96332669
They are made out of masonite board that I got for cheap

>>96332620
Please just go back to your discord. Your greasy furry posting is obnoxious.

>>96332361
Nice. Working with foam is fun. Things come

>>96332755
they look pretty flipping good anonymous

im trynma figure out how to paint the “white”/offwhite clothing of my empire dudes…

my pic related looks like shit imo im not sure what to do. going for stir river patrol scheme

>>96333368
Thanks. I think your guy looks good too, I'd highlight the green and metal slightly more so it'll have more depth.
White is very hard over black, I use blue with white mixed as the foundation first, but then you get the problem that you can't shade it as good as you'd want.

>>96333478
oh hes not finish. id say the sleeves are finished but i dont like how they turned out.

its not white over black i primed white…

>>96331531
What commercial scanner are they using for these anyway

>>96333705
I see wildly different filesizes for scans of models with roughly the same size and quality.

I assume any scanner works, and that they do some heavy lifting smoothing down the scan afterwards like one would when sculpting models.

>>96333368
Easiest off-white I've found is wraith one basecoat and "marine juice" shade (look it up if you need to, sonic sledgehammer on youtube has a good description of it)

>>96333705
I'm in a group where dudes scan these and share their tips. The majority are using an openscan for about $200-400, some free cloud software, some dry shampoo lol I kid you not, and then cleaning the scan up in blender. You get the occasional guy who uses his work's professional laser dental scanner, but they're in the minority.

>>96333750
>wraith one
Sorry, I am regard, wraithbone*. Which you can basecoat from a rattle can too for added time savings.

>>96333368
Thin brush and trooper white from two thin coats

>>96333816
Picrel is my trooper with the colors

>>96332213
>and no wights

In a single night he challenged and slew all the inhabitants, turning those he considered worthy opponents into vampires and the reanimating the rest as Wights.[1b][2a]
1: Warhammer Armies: Vampire Counts (5th Edition)
1b: Blood Dragon, pg. 16
Warhammer Armies: Vampire Counts (8th Edition)
2a: A Lineage of Blood, pg. 23

You obviously don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Are Lizardmen coming next year?

>>96333915
no

Vampire Counts vs Tomb Kings 2000 points, matched play guide's King of the Hill with three additional secondary objectives. We tried matched play for the first time.

The dark green circle at the center represents the real hill, gameplay wise.

The strategy is simple, I have 30 grave guards buffed out of their mind that are going to kill everything around them and never die. The rest of the army is just there to support them and go grab some juicy targets in the back line.

Vampire Counts vs Tomb Kings 2000 points, matched play guide's King of the Hill with three additional secondary objectives. We tried matched play for the first time.

The dark green circle at the center represents the real hill, gameplay wise.

The strategy is simple, I have 30 grave guards buffed out of their mind that are going to kill everything around them and never die. The rest of the army is just there to support them and go grab some juicy targets in the back line.

>>96334019
I decide to not use my vanguard move on my wolves, betting that I would play first and could charge the skirmisher (you can't charge if you use your vanguard move)
I roll a 5+1, wins and decide to play first. I cast my reserve move on my troops and move forward as much as I can to grab all the objectives, on the left my 10 wolves and my 3 fell bats charge the mounted skirmishers and win the fight.

>>96334047
T1 TK, he charges my zombies with his chariots, which includes the general of his army, a Tomb King with an items that turns his light chariot into an heavy chariot. He wins the fight but thanks to 1.5 he doesn't go through.

He fails his charge with skeleton warriors on the left and just move 3 inches.

He resurrected some of the skirmishers but I the win the fight again and go through them. I land on the archer with my bats but I fail my roll with my wolves and stop in front them.

>>96334078
T2 VC
Since he didn't follow up after his chariots won, I decide to charge him with my zombies and then scream at him with my mortis and terrorgheist. However he decides to flee as a reaction, I was sure he couldn't but we couldn't find the rule that says he can't so we played it that way, we checked after and the rule is actually to immune to psychology. It's okay though, it's more interesting that way, otherwise I think his general would have died for sure.

I used most of my invocation of Nehek to heal wounds on the terrorgheist and the mortis from the all shooting.

>>96332213
>Blood Dragons
>no wights
retard

>>96334108
T2 TK
His ambushers come into play, three stalkers on the left side of the board and scorpion in the middle. He charges with his colossus and 20 skeletons with his BSB. He was confident despite the fact that I was absolutely certain he would get destroyed. I immediately challenge him with my BSB so that It doesn't get targeted by the colossus. He choses a skeleton warrior champion, which I overkill.
I don't lose a single grave guard and win the fight by 16 or something.

On the left side his skeleton warriors charge what remains of my zombies and his chariot unit gets slapped with "nuh uh you can't charge" spell from illusion

Thought on this list? Guy I'm playin against wanted 1001, otherwise i was going to drop one Gor for the musician. Plan is run everything as skirmish, centigor with warhoof ambush, ungors screen wargor BSB, zap shit with spells. Once I charge, I need to win or I don't. I'm aiming for a mid to low tier list, as the guy I'm playing against is new, and I've gone 4/4 against him with decent lists, so I just want to have a fun match.

## Alternate List [1001 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Beastmen Brayherds, Open War

### Characters [499 pts]
- Warhoof [124 pts]
-# (Great weapon, No armour, Ambushers, Hunter's Spear)
- Great Bray-Shaman [180 pts]
-# (Braystaff, Wizard [Level 3 Wizard], General, On foot, Hagtree Fetish, Elementalism)
- Wargor [195 pts]
-# (Hand weapon, No armour, Battle Standard Bearer, Tuskgor Chariot, Cornucopia of Corpulence)
### Core Units [290 pts]
- 29 Gor Herd [240 pts]
-# (Hand weapons, Additional hand weapons, True-horn, Standard bearer [Banner of Outrage])
- 10 Ungor Herd [50 pts]
-# (Shortbows)
### Special Units [212 pts]
- 9 Centigor Herd [212 pts]
-# (Hand weapons, Great weapons, Javelins, Ambushers, Gorehoof, Standard bearer)

*Created with "Old World Builder"* - https://old-world-builder.com

>>96334176
T3 VC
I decide to charge the casket of souls with my terrogheist and move my vargheists over the infantry line next to the ushabti.
The grave guards finish the skeleton warriors and end up in combat with the scorpion.

On the left the skeletons with against the zombies but they're still here.

>>96325617
Just painting up more hobgoblins for chorfs, only got the khan, crew and the horde left

>>96334233
T3 TK

The grave guards manage to kill the scorpion and overrun again but fail to roll enough to connect with the ushabti so I decide to use drilled to extend my rank and connect with the priest.
The vargheists and zombies will charge the archers.
The terrorgheist destroys the ark of souls and ovverrun.
On the left I slip my wolves past the archers because I know they can't win with 1.5 infantry bonuses.

>>96334293
The stalkers obliterate my zombies but I fled with my mortis and dropped a crystal pillar in front of them and buffed my init by three to basically be immune to their gaze.

The poor tomb king and his chariots still can't charge because of miasmic mirage.

At this point I scored something like 340 objective points and also killed most of my opponent's army so we decide to call it a day.

This is my second game after the 1.5 faq and undead seem extremely powerful. On top of that it's also two of the best armies to sit on an objective and just get points. I'd be surprised if they weren't winning a lot in matched play.

>>96333863
The actual wargame units (grave guard, black knights, wight king) are ancient barrow dead that a BD won't dig for like some grave robber, hence their absence from my proposed themed list. The idea is to use blood knights as your only elites and go as low on magic as possible (so no necros).

>>96330617
Having humans as troops is more of a Von Carstein thing, they have sylvanian militia, archers etc

>>96334385
State troops and household troops, but specifically not FCM or archers because they don't need those. There's no reason to waste resources on cannon fodder that needs logistic support when you can fill that role with any old bones from a cemetery.

>>96330617
Blood Dragon army list already exist.

>>96334444
>>96334468
Outdated 6e material. None of it holds up anymore, and it was rushed and poorly thought out when it was originally released.

>>96334555
Sounds like cope to me.

>>96334335
Thanks for the bat rep. Seemed very one sided. Shooting is rough into VC, they're tough, didn't panic and res shooting casualties pretty easily.

>>96334555
That's not how sources work. Older is more canon not less.

>>96334607
Indeed. I think he would have fared better with a mortuary cult army build that forces a ton of leadership checks.

Ushabtis are scary though.

>>96334611
NTA but Canon works oppositely, what is called retcon exists.
It's Canon that brets worship elf feet and steam tanks are everywhere for example.

>there's nothing special about abhorash (but I want him as a named character)
>6e material is outdated, or poorly written, whichever reason you need to hear in order to discount it
Is there anything he won't say in the pursuit of doubling down on his argument

>>96334555
Why? Simply because you said so? Faggot

>>96334646
>what is called retcon exists.
it exists if it exists, if a retcon doesn't exist, then the thing isn't retconned
the vast majority of the material from 6ed hasn't been directly contradicted nor expressively retconned, so it's still canon

you can disagree, but you would be wrong

>>96332361
Put your foam blocks in a box with some rocks and shake them. You'll make them look a lot better with minimal effort.

>>96334718
I mean your arguement is
>6th ed trumps later lore
Which no edition trumps a later edition. Happens all the time in rolls of who's who for random leaders. Now if new lore doesn't contradict lore from before then the lore remains Canon. And sometimes, lore can be contradictory on purpose (a la high elf vs dark elf versions of the sundering).
So 6th ed lore is Canon until newer lore contradicts it. As for the 6th ed Carstien list imho it's existence as a lore freindly army is still valid, even if TOWs setting I don't know if the Von Carstiens are doing anything.

>>96334782
>I mean your arguement is
It's not, I just bumped into this conversation out of the blue and read absolutely nothing of the previous posts, I didn't even read the entirety of the post I replied to or the post you're replying to me with.

>>96334782
Incorrect. 1st Ed lore trumps everything that follows.
Anyone who disagrees is a red goblin.

>>96332213
It wasn't intended as a Blood Dragon thing specifically, just vampires with any mortal followers. Maybe divide it so they can only take mortals from one list so you get Brets or Imperials, not both allowing you to represent some of the vampire lords or mallobaude or the Von Carsteins, as well as whatever bullshit you can think of (the Black Prince in the Border Princes, probably some Lahmian trickery). As it stands the VC list is generic that there's no mechanical differences between the different bloodlines.

>>96331110
I mean I don't deny it, hence why it would be hard to balance. Maybe something like
>Choose brets (maa, knights errant, kotr, trebuchet) or imperials (state troops, empire knights, pistoliers, cannon)
>Must take one unit of maa or state troops per 1k points
>Undead cannot join mortal units
>Mortals cannot benefit from undead leadership, spells, auras, or banners
>If general dies all mortals have to take an immediate break test

>>96334846
>ynr slann enslaving humans
good times

>Nordland is Denmark
>Middenland is Germany
>Reikland is Austria
>Ostland is Poland
>Hochland is Switzerland
>Talabecland is Czech
>Ostermark is Slovakia
>Stirland is Hungary
>Sylvania is Romania
>Averland is Bulgaria
>Wissenland is Yugoslavia
>Marienburg is Belgium+Netherlands
This is the truth.

Skirmishers get Massed Infantry +1 bonus right?

>>96334976
that's never been truly retconned either

>>96335145
>>96334976
Would make a baller custom unit.

so vampires cant raise elves or dwarves?

>>96334654
>6e material is outdated, or poorly written
NTA but this is true. 5th was peak of fantasy in tone/atmosphere, maybe the chaos wank could have been toned down though.

>>96334611
This almost certainly does not work with wargame settings. It barely holds up for actual literature most of the time too.

A question to those that have both sets: would the Empire Knight riders fit on a Bretonnian Pegasus? I'm wanting to model my Bretonnians as transitioning into the Renaissance and I'm hoping the riders kits are compatible in that regard.

>>96335534
Cry about it.

>>96332243
Thanks for help and advice. I have never used boar boyz, are they really so dependable they can break a unit on the charge?

I felt their equipment gives them some extra umph. I am coming from Chaos Knights who seem to straight up obliterate anything they charge.

>>96333948
I want to paint lizards but fuck having to hunt for old kits or using out of if scale aos figures.

So had a game against royal clans with my generic Tomb Kings. Learned my opponents King in hammerer bunker will mulch through anything I throw at it. But my Tomb King on Necrolith Bone Dragon can do the same thing to whatever is thrown at me.

>>96334339
They actual in game units don't have to be ancient at all, just like Walach's story.

Did GW only released the audio version of God King?
If yeah, then why only do the 3rd book of the trilogy?

>>96334424
the storm of chaos armylist had an option for skeletons with crossbows

>>96334339
I think they should be allowed but they shouldn't be emphasized. I actually like a TWWH mod for Blood Dragons and Walach build specifically around blood dragons and knights themselves including foot knights and knight monstrous cavalry. Given absolute free reign I would do something like.

Characters
>VC w/ full plate
>Vampire Thrall w/ heavy armor that can be upgraded to full plate
>Wight Lord
>0-1 Necromancer Acolyte

Core
>Zombies
>Skellies
>Bat Swarms
>Wolves

Special
>Dismounted Blood Knights (armed with sword and board, greatswords, or halberds)
>Black Knights
>Grave Guard
>Big Bats

Rare
>Blood Knights
>Blood Knight Monstrous Cavalry
>Varghulf (Albrecht Nictus was one so it makes sense)

Doesn't give you shit like blood knights as core and pretty much removes necromancers from your army and the stuff associated directly with them and wraiths. In essence it's all vampires with a bit of wight stuff

>>96334994
>Nordland is Denmark
They're not vikings, just viking rapebabies. They're old Saxony and Hannover.
>Middenland is Germany
So is Reikland, Ostland, and Hochland. Middenland is Bavaria
>Reikland is Austria
Essentially
>Ostland is Poland
Nah it's Bohemia
>Hochland is Switzerland
Swabia in general, but yes
>Talabecland is Czech
Yeah
>Ostermark is Slovakia
Prussia
>Stirland is Hungary
Saxony and Thuringia
>Sylvania is Romania
Technically yes
>Averland is Bulgaria
How? I'd argue it's closer to Alsace and the Rhineland
>Wissenland is Yugoslavia
It's the Rhineland, FFS the industrial heart of the empire (Germany) is in it
>Marienburg is Belgium+Netherlands
Correct

>>96336124
Ostermark is Hungary combined with several marches. Their manner of dress and "eastern" heritage sceeams magyar. Maybe silesia due to its very fertile grounds and forests
Ostland is probably more Prussia or polish given its mix of kislev (slav), and the fact it's constantly raided and a battleground.

>>96313229 (OP)
how do dwarves play in WHFB?

>>96334855
Soup without restrictions is way too OP, it gives me 8e 40k flashbacks.

>>96336487
Not sure how that has to do with anything I said. I never suggested or implied no restrictions.

>>96335736
Except there haven't ever been models made for 'fresh' ones. I don't think there'll ever be any such sculpts. And there's no reason to make them, the guys mentioned in that story were destroyed when blood keep got sacked, so only actual blood knights remain of the order.

>>96336502
Allowing multiple units from another armybook, especially something as drastic as ranged and artillery in a (usually) melee-only army, sounds more than a little broken.

>>96332213
>Blood Dragons should get (possibly cheaper) blood knights in special, riderless zombie dragon in rare, no necromancers and no wights.
This is just an objectively worse list with only a single tiny gimmick. You lose half the list to move a unit from rare to special, how is that at all reasonable?

>>96336505
If you deny them grave guard and black knights you're denying them the second and third most purely martial units the list. Hardly a martial army list when you have one beatstick unit of knights and nothing else remotely resembling the core idea of undead knights.

Beyond that what happened to Blood Keep is irrelevant. What if you want to play an army representing them before Blood Keep fell? What if you want to play an army of a Blood Knight deciding to copy Walak on a smaller scale or by individually challenging whichever knights passed by him turning them into vampires or wights? It's arbitrarily restricting.

>>96336532
That's why I suggested restrictions and mentioned that I was unsure of what restrictions to use. It's not like I proposed a specific list and suggested that it's at all suggestive of what the finished product should be. It's the equivalent of describing the heralds of darkness as "you get a chosen chariot but have to take a unit of chaos knights with some other rules and restrictions." Obviously it would need more restrictions than "you need to take one of these units which are the whole gimmick of the list."

I genuinely hate you niggas and hope none of you have any influence over the game/fluff/ etc etc cause you propose some of the dumbest shit with this blood knight wishlisting.

>>96336626
Castercel seething at martial supremacy: the post. Go shove a wand up your arse, or whatever else you funny hat bathrobe people do.

>>96336626
Nobody is as dumb as the guy who thinks
>Remove 4 characters and 2 units from a list
>Move one unit from rare to special
Is a good idea for any list.

>>96334210
First time I'm seeing the Hunter's Spear be used, let us know how it goes..

I'm seeing as you've only got one block it'll be rushed pretty quickly, maybe, make one block of 18,(+3 char for a 21 block) and another or 10 or 11, maybe have them flank something or act as distraction, althought with a block of centigors arrivng form ambush, it might mitigate the drive of your opponenet to rush in.

Still, looks good to me and looks fun to try out too.

>>96337217
Went pretty good. Hunter's spear got 8 kills across the 3 turns it hit, all chaos dwarf halberd gunner guys. Pretty sure that easily paid for itself. Move 8 bolt thrower (5+ to hit though) is really easy to get flank shots. The warhoof did its job perfectly by being threatening enough to pay too much attention too.
The chariot continued to outperform, especially with the cornucopia. Either good luck, or just keeps punching up.
Under half wounds on all 3 characters, centigors fleeing with 2 models at end of game, over half gors left, no wounds on ungors. Hefty win.

The second game though with the other list I felt really bad at the end with.

>>96337306
===
From the woods [999 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Beastmen Brayherds, Open War
===

++ Characters [180 pts] ++

Great Bray-Shaman [180 pts]
- Braystaff
- Wizard [Level 3 Wizard]
- General
- On foot
- Hagtree Fetish
- Elementalism

++ Core Units [362 pts] ++

25 Gor Herd [242 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Additional hand weapons
- Ambushers
- True-horn
- Standard bearer [Banner of Outrage]
- Musician

10 Ungor Herd [60 pts]
- Shortbows
- Ambushers

10 Ungor Herd [60 pts]
- Shortbows
- Ambushers

++ Special Units [212 pts] ++

9 Centigor Herd [212 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Great weapons
- Javelins
- Ambushers
- Gorehoof
- Standard bearer

++ Rare Units [245 pts] ++

Ghorgon [245 pts]
- Cleaver-limbs
- Light armour (calloused hide)

Only deployed Ghorgon and Shaman, ambushed everything else with skirmish on ungors and centigors.
The guy didn't know how to deal with it, tabled the guy turn 4 with only 4 dead gors, 5 dead centigors and 2 wounds done to the Ghorgon (and one wound I did to my caster with mantle of ghorok).

>>96337333
Good to hear Anon!
Decent list as well.

>>96337362
Thanks!
We did have one question that could have come up but didn't cause the spell didn't go off. Would Earthen Ramparts prevent Frenzy baiting?

If you build the General on Griffin as Karl Franz, can you still give him the lance? Can his mini accommodate the lance? Or will I need to clip some things?

>>96317266
Put Black orcs on core for capping objectives

>>96328222
Enjoyed as always. Seems your knights continue to put in work
>>96334335
Yeah undead got a glow up. Still nice bat rep lots of grinding
>>96337306
Fun to hear another beastlord get some dubs

>>96337447
Well, since the unit cannot move, and charge is a move, then it cannot charge, I'd say

>>96334994
>Marienburg is Belgium
Stolen Valor.

The Juan demons were kinda over rated

>>96313229 (OP)
>TQ
Here's an obvious one. Bring the White Dwarf to TOW
>B-b-but AoS-
I don't care.

>>96338591
He’s actually in 40k

>>96335504
Neferata raised the Silver Pinnacle dwarves. I think elves used to be immune, not sure if it's still true.

>>96338631
Elves aren't immune either, there are elven undead in the RPG and cursed company's standard bearer is an elf.

Anyone ever combined the plastic Cold One Knights with a Fell Beast from the Winged Nazgul kit to make a Dreadlord of Black Dragon?

Did you end up buying any of the MTO bretonnian stuff?

New thread:

>>96338763
>>96338763