Thread 96326351

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>>96322281

>Thread Question(s):
-What's your favourite canonical battle that your faction lost?
-Have you ever written about your dudes suffering through a defeat?
-Do you have a model that's particularly unlucky on the tabletop?

I love adding little acts of cruelty to my models

¡Senor Skorpekh solo quiere bailar alrededor del sunbrero! ¡Y agitar las maracas!

>>96326367
AAAIIIIIIEEEEE

>>96326367
dios mio....

>>96326361
he probably deserved it

My attempt at a olive skinned ogryn (not shakey photo I hope this time)

>>96326367
dis mios is so berry berry col ousai

If I wanted to get into actually playing tabletop matches, are C'tan essential for Necrons?
Can I get by without one, desu I don't like their look much apart from Void Dragon and I think it's silly that they are fielded on TT from a story perspective.
I've heard Canoptek Court doesn't run em most of the time, but could an awakened dynasty get by without them?

>>96326450
C'tan aren't the make-or-break unit
the broken unit right now is Wraiths

>>96326458
Is it wraiths or specifically Technomancer lead wraiths?

>>96326465
Technomancer with Wraiths, yeah.

>>96326351 (OP)
Are you guys PROUD that you FORCED GW to tell us about Kill Team and the Nightbringer early???
Does that get you hard???
it should fuck GW

>>96326367
¡PUTA!

>>96326472
Of course it does
Cute feet

>>96326522
I unironically didn't notice the slannesh marine or daemon for about 5 seconds

>>96326450
Necrons have a sliding power scale from 'this thing has niche uses but is still good' to 'I would never bring this to a game because my friends would hate me'.
C'tan are at the upper end of that scale. So are wraiths paired with technomancers.
The only mandatory unit in every necron list is a technomancer. You can get away with most everything else.

>>96326522
This is 'shopped
I can tell by the pixels
And from seeing quite a few 'shops in my time

>>96324232
I can't believe there isn't a Space Marines Musketeers chapter yet.

>>96326472
Good, now release Malys

I know why the 10th ed Indirect Fire rules exist, but I am sad for my bombard cannons being reduced to being shit because unfunny people last edition decided to camp corners the entire game in official competitions.

>>96326602
>last edition
Anon indirect fire has been either grossly overpowered or completely useless with no in-betweens since the origin of 40k

Man every time I'm making a list it feels like not taking named characters is playing at a handicap for no reason. Playing firestorm with infernus? Why on earth would I not take he'stan to make them oc2 and re-roll wounds?

Seeing how they just removed all rerolls in 30k do you think they'll do the same in 40k?

>>96326612
Not him but what if we buffed it next edition so it was more useful, but nerf it so that the unit has to be in view od another unit and without regular infantry units that have a vox or other special key word with line of sight there's a danger of the attack going wildly off target...scattering across the board if you will.

>>96326582
She was a hoax. The model got cancelled and that sprue was stolen from a pile meant for destruction

>>96326623
Lol
Lmao

Maybe Catachan vs Deldar beast things for new KT box?

>>96326582
SEX WITH KAYLETH

>>96326651
I don't think anybody expected it in 30k but they straight up removed rerolls from the game. Like, even old 40k had some rerolls here and there even if not so common as today.

>>96326622
purposefully not taking named characters (other than primarchs) is silly imo. just reflavor him as /yourdude/ who uses the he'stan ruleset

>>96326712
I guess. I just don't really like how intrusive they are. I have my own custom kitbashed captain and I'd like tho use him as he is, not as vulkan.

>>96326577
I know, right?
Musketeers are awesome.

>>96326712
you can kitbash primarchs or proxy them as yourdudes chapter masters easily too

>>96326361
Thinking of doing this on the prows of my tantalus good stuff

Anons I think I discovered what style I might paint my Spiders.
>the three spiders I'm missing I'm about to order, since the OG idea of neurolictors fell through
>grimdark style to make dark spiders creepy
>lots of topcoat/glue coats to hide imperfections with the models
>organic surfaces I can do random stuff with
>practice something fun and out of the ordinary
>this method seems the absolute BEST for making webs look like webbing

I know it's a lot of work. the colors will be dark-ish, I have a range of old vallejo paints to work with before I decide what to order enough of later. I will use the neurolictor failure models as test models.

I'm glad I took my sweet time relaxing and researching.... (while waiting for the fucking mail to get here)

>>96326726
i just meant that I understand not taking primarchs more than not taking named non-primarch characters
new Saturnine Praetor is a great place to start for the kitbash. he screams GK supreme grand master to me.

>>96326751
Oh dude just paint the fuckin things already

>>96326652
1) Adult Catachan Devils are gigantic, basically Trygon-sized or above
2) KT teams usually have ability to be plugged into some main 40k army and while Catachan Devils are implied to be distant, degenerated nid descendants its dubious whether nids could outright mindcontrol them or not

>>96326673
Years ago they already did the same in AoS. They also announced that they were going to make rerolls extremely more rare in 40k at the beginning of 10th. The next day they previewed Oath of Moment.

>>96326764
Hard to do that when it takes 6 weeks for the mail to bounce back and forth. They would've at least been base coated by now if my crap wasn't so mail-bogged.
(my USPS locally has a 1 star rating)

>>96326764
Shut the fuck up subhuman

>>96326756
>size of a fucking boxnaught
Too far. Primarchs being a bit bigger due to genes or whatever is "fine" but Saturnine praetor is just silly and his anatomy doesn't make much sense.

>>96326770
He's not saying catachand devils. He said catachans Vs the DE beastmasters and beasts, a DE unit that is still resin.

>>96326756
praetor looks cool but it makes no sense

>>96326779
the marine ends halfway in
the head is just a set of telescopic cameras

>>96326770
I mean the human catachans, not the catachan creatures (although I'd totally expect GW to let catachan soldiers have 'pets' in their kit).

>>96326394
>He
Witches are women anon, don't make assumptions just because the body doesn't have breasts

>>96326751
It's either going to be a mess, or something outstanding.

Either way, good luck.

>>96326771
Well all the things they said in the 10th edition previews were either lies or completely wrong so that's not unexpected.

>>96326771
>The next day they previewed Oath of Moment.
Delightfully devilish, GW

>>96326795
>Witches are women anon
Not that one, that one isn't.

>>96326788
What makes no sense about it?

>>96326772
I want to see it finished by no later than the end of next month.

>>96326775
Mind your business twerp

>>96326811
proportions of it don't make sense for a normal sized marine
same problem as the nundams really

>>96326802
The funny thing was that there were people here that tried to argue that OoM was actually a reduction in rerolls.

>>96326813
Kill yourself immediately decalslopper

>>96326775
he's been talking about those fucking spiders for like 3 months but they don't have a single drop of paint on them
>inb4 a cacophony of seethe

>>96326815
It's an exosuit. Same deal as centurions.

>>96326802
Pedophile

>>96326828
nomodels hands typed this post

>>96326830
okay
it still doesn't make sense unless you chop off some bits of the marines limbs

>>96326831
We don't sign our posts here.

>>96326840
Wouldn't surprise me. Or they are in a fetal position. Centurions have them with their arms crossed over the chest like a vampire in a coffin.

>>96326836
>accusation without posting his
lmao, keep seething

>>96326367
JAJAJA

>>96326842
You don't get to try to say "no you" while posting the pedophile hub gacha game you subhuman freak

>>96326858
Subhuman nomodels trying to claim others are seething
Adorable

>>96326799
Thanks. I think I want a red base with pink+black details with a purple shadow(zenithal style).

>>96326875
>n-no u
lmao

>>96326881
Yes (you) did try to cry no u, good job mental midget

>>96326602
>hitting anything on the board on 4s
>reduced to being shit
Boo fucking hoo faget

>>96326830
You don't understand, if you adjust the marine to be at this height, then his knees will be in the saturnine's hips, meaning they're going to fucking break the moment the suit bends its leg forward to take a step

>>96326823
Never u punk. That would be a grave sin.

>>96326897
the helmet isn't their head, there's a reason why none of the options include bare heads

>>96326904
Well, people seem to understand it is!

>>96326897
Anon for 3 decades terminators had their arms coming out of their ears. This isn't important.
>>96326904
This can also be true. Remember that dreadnoughts with "helmets" don't have the real head of the marine inside it. It's just a prop with the optics.

>>96326904
I guess you could make a small thin camera looking thing to show that it's a camera.

>>96326921
a lot of people assuming something incorrect doesn't make it true

I want them to get rules in 40k... even legends would suffice.

>>96326931
https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k10ed/factions/space-marines/Centurion-Devastator-Squad

>>96326922
>Anon for 3 decades terminators had their arms coming out of their ears.
That was a way less drastic fuckup in proportions, on models that tried to be way less precise overall.

>>96326938
None of the weapons match.

Post models

>>96326931
how would they be different from a normal terminator or gravis unit?

>>96326931
>I want them to get rules in 40k... even legends would suffice.
Yep. I'd be happy with legends rules for them. I'm going to put the Praetor on a 60mm base and use him as Girlyman.

>>96326947
By having completely different weapons and having the statline of a centurion?

>>96326897
That's not new for gw designs
They're just shit

>>96326931
they're the same size as boxnoughts, use them for that

>>96326984
Then play them as centurions

a ranged weapon is a ranged weapon

>>96326992
>boxnought
That's a great idea. Looks like a plasma cannon dread tbf
>gives aura shooting rerolls of 1
>can take charges for your gunline
>can assist multimelta devastators to hit more shots up close

Good idear.

>>96326991
I hate the joysticks so much

>>96326922
>Remember that dreadnoughts with "helmets" don't have the real head of the marine inside it. It's just a prop with the optics.
Except for the fact that we have the actual model with the sculpted torso that shows that yes, that is their real head

>>96326991
If they just came out and said that in order to wear the paragon suits they need to undergo surgery on their legs (or had them blown off in battle) then they could even be a weird cool unit concept halfway into a dreadnought.

>>96327018
oh so them having missing/broken legs is not actually canon. so are the sisters sitting crossed legged?

>>96327012
sometimes it isn't though

>>96326922
i was always under the assumption that dreadnought'd marines were basically reduced to a head and spinal cord

>>96327026
you ever see girls or skinny guys sit with their knees up and feet on the edge of the chair?

>>96327029
imagine servitor-ization

>>96327012
We also got the wulfen nought with the exposed head.

>>96327029
More or less. See >>96327012

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

What if instead of using the regular chaos space marine models I use the HH models to make Iron Warriors?

>>96327002
>a ranged weapon is a ranged weapon
This concept confounds the wyiswyg czars

>>96327055
Wow, so brave!

>>96327026
>so are the sisters sitting crossed legged?
They simply didn't think about it.

At best you can argue that the proportions match enough for their hips to be in the machine's hips, and for the legs to be able to stay fully within the first half of the leg, so if the suit takes a step forward, the sister can follow suit by awkwardly "walking" straight legged.

>>96327055
literally anyone and everyone.
>and still be use-able in 30k

>>96326756
NTA but I got one to mess with to make a chapter master. I had no plans for starting a new army of /mydudes/ other than big and mostly terminators. I have just been adjusting the pose, swapped to a stormbolter which I got an ammo belt on its way, and can't decide between chapter master being a captain in terminator armor, or a named character fill in and matching their base. Either way, lots of work to cleanup, greenstuff that bolter into matching his gauntlet, and seeing about some different shoulderpads.

>>96326943
Does this count enough?

>>96327055
Then they won't look like chaos marines, they will look like horus heresy era loyalist marines.

>>96327069
Any suggestions? I was thinking maybe of adding a few skulls

>>96327067
my plan was to clip off the top part of the back and figure out how to fill in the rest

>>96327012
Wrong, that's just part of the sarcophagus. The marine is inside an amniotic tank, and the dread head is too big and robotic.

The SW wulfen dread was a retarded mistake, like their HH invrted bolters.

>>96327073
how often do these little shits break

>>96327080
Just have headswaps with HH heads onto the 40k chaos marines kits.

>>96327080
Buy era-appropiate 40k CSM. They also come with more options than just bolters like the HH legionaries

>>96327104
they'll look a lil small, won't they?

>>96327055
>to make Iron Warriors
Why the fuck is this meme so prevalent? Iron Warriors fucking love their trim and horns.

>>96327112
New CSM and 30k have the exact same scale.

So I might have a use of this box set.
>Armiger out of the big saturine and the autocannon+stabilization limbs
>get 30 marines+special weapons
>use the 18 regular saturine/termi dudes as 'mini dread' terminators
>turn the huge leader saturine as a dreadnought, add guns from the massive saturine that will be using the autocannons instead
>techpriest the three chaos leaders

Can buy three box sets safely if you do that, using the extra marines for multi-melta/other gun devistators.

>3 Armigers with autocannons
>3 techpriests to repair shit
>18 terminators, imagine a few of them as HQ's if you want
>90 marines, 60 tacticals and 30 devistators
>get this for 760 dollars on amazon as 3xBox sets
>three salamander HQ's turned into boxnoughts using the fuck-huge plasma/twin autocannon arms from the huge saturine thing

I feel like minimal converting would go into this. It almost builds itself.

That's about, a 3000 point army for 760 dollars.

>if it was chaos I'd try and mix the autocannon platform and the huge saturine thing into a defiler, somehow....

>>96327060
I know not only that but the HH boxes come with like 20 marines so I'll have a full army in no time!
>>96327063
But I just came up with the idea!

>>96326943
I'm having a really hard time putting helmets on any of my new space wolves. The faces are all so good

>>96327116
there are a large cohort of Iron Warriors '''fans''' who desperately try to just be 'chaos iron hands' instead of learning about their own legion

>>96326623
If they were smart they would copy how Aos did it (only allow re rolls for charges) ,but knowing the current 40K writing team they’re gonna copy something else from Aos that hardly works there and try and prop it up in 40K for no good reason.

>>96326943
Awoooo with me brother!

>>96327116
every undivided chaosfag wants to be super speshul and say their legion totally doesn't worship chaos

>>96327112
why would they?

>>96327163
Fuck off you furfag freak

>>96327171
The reaction of a man who has no true brothers

So how many months until that SoB vs NL box releases?
6?

>>96327091
That's a lot to fill in as the next part for the top relies on those top bits, but might be able to re-use it and place it lower with some added sprue connectors or something to hold it in place.

I am so tempted to buy a saturnine dreadnought and another praetor. Not sure what I'd make the dreadnought, but I found it's decently easy to adjust the pose and wanted to make a running Tyberos, despite "captain in terminator armor" not having lightning claw options anymore.

>>96327166
Fuck them fence-sitters, praise the Dark Gods.

>>96327134
and then all your tac/devs get sent to the shadow realm in 11th next spring

>>96327152
The helmets are just as good desu

>>96326943
No painting today got stuff to do, so here's a scandalous thing I painted yesterday.

>>96327173
maybe more

>>96327152
Yea I am using the faces over the helmets too

>>96327145
It would be wise to keep the HH models very true to their theme in case you need to Ebay them.
>just in case

Also, having duo systems to play is awesome. You collect daemons on top of that and you've got:
>daemon army
>CSM+daemon army
>HH 30k army

>>96327185
You licked it didn’t you…

>>96327199
Yea we saw that meme already its old and played out and also not true

>>96327192
Well shit funny you mention deamons cus I was also thinking of getting them down the road.

Feels awful to collect a chaos army nowadays huh

>>96327196
I have done no such things
You have no proof.

>>96327203
Keep seething decalmutant

>>96327203
it's pretty true
everybody loves brickwolf anon
nobody can even stand having you around

>>96327205
Don't believe the rumors of daemons getting axed. They have literally 30 models outside of the legion-specific deity daemon options.

>>96327212
You mean a couple of you nomodels are obsessed with me and that’s about it.

>>96327205
I keep perceiving the marine in the background as the forground marine's left hand holding a cigar

>>96327221
>nomodels

remember those two navymen who played warhammer in antartica and it was clear one wanted to play something like 5th but was forced to play 8th because his opponent has primaris marines?

>>96327116
I don't like the "use unmodified HH marines as IW" people but I also don't like the "IW should just be BL painted gunmetal" people
Ideally it's somewhere in the middle

>>96327224
You got into their heads and turned them against me

>>96327228
Is the navyman who wanted to play 5th in the room with us now?

>>96327159
They don't even want to be chaos iron hands, they literally want to just be edgy loyalists (visually speaking).

>>96327234
bruh you literally sound like Anakin turning to the dark side right now lmfaooo

Is it legal to add both a farseer and a warlock conclave to guardians?

Single warlocks have text saying they can be added to guardians even if a farseer or autarch is attached, but the conclave doesn't have that wording. Warlock conclaves however aren't a character unit any more.

>>96327208
Feels awful to collect basically anything nowadays. I'm too worried about Legends and squatting. How am I to know that the models I have half-assembled will even be legal by the time they're painted?

>>96327233
>I also don't like the "IW should just be BL painted gunmetal"
They're generic chaos marines, get over it.

>>96327236
yes.
>Max has been collecting Warhammer since his childhood, but isn't up to date with the rules of the game. With a very active gaming friendship group he has only recently been dragged out of fifth edition rules – against his will. He still doesn’t understand where his flamer templates have gone.***

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/aky5VV74/warhammer-in-the-antarctic-meet-the-royal-navy-officers-playing-at-the-south-pole/

>>96327116
>>96327233
I like the middle ground between utilitarian and Chaos.

>>96326372
Didn't one of the necron codexes had a guarsdman with half his head removed?

>>96327255
>retard hasn't played in over a decade doesn't get to play an outdated ruleset
boohoo

>>96327174
I bought a bunch on launch day

>>96327263
>play edition you like for years
>newfag slop consoomer demands you play a newer edition to play with him

a tale as old as time, "you dont get to play unless you play this ruleset you hate, because I cant play a different ruleset die to my models"

>>96327272
he didn't play for years, read the article retard

Had a game today. We used not one of the usual layouts but one of from the crusade pack. Primary objective were also from crusade.
It felt very refreshing, really enjoyed the game.

>>96327277
still loops back to "was forced to play 9th" because of a newfag"

>>96327272
>>96327281
Trying too hard

>>96327281
sucks suck then

>>96327281
I accept your concession

>>96327241
Except I am not delusional and the schizo is a very talented falseflagger

>>96327253
See you're revealing here that you don't actually care about the topic and just want to dog on people no matter what they do
You're saying no to the concept of kitbashing and customizing here

>>96327283
>>96327286
not only post models, prove you started playing pre-2017

warhammer has turned many a man homo

>>96327295
you know the rules
you make the demand, you post yours first or be confirmed a /v/ermin shitstirrer

>>96327294
>See you're revealing here that you don't actually care about the topic
No, I do. Iron Warriors look like generic chaos marines. Throwing in some MkIII bits does not make them look more like Iron Warriors.

>>96327270
If I liked grey knights at all I would. Such a better fit with a simple head swap and weapon change. Trying to sort custom chapter lore and colors, but yeah all the saturnine stuff goes so easily into a grey knights army.

>>96327300
He knows the rules but is a secondary homo and will post nothing of value

>>96327096
Anon you can literally see the inside of the sarcophagus with the torso of the Marine

>>96327304
What about using MkII bits to make them more closely resemble the old Iron Warriors 40k upgrade kit, genius

reminder imperial guard got a pity upgrade sprue before they got their entire range updated/squatted.
Just a warning to people looking into grey knights

>>96327305
not the refresh I wanted, but kitbashing is my favorite part of the hobby anyway

>>96327304
>I do
This is worse lol
You just said "I do care (negatively) about people kitbashing"

>>96327223
Lighting a cigar on a daemon engine is an insane power move

>>96327310
The wet fart kit from a thousand years ago? Sure, if you also go and sculpt on all the trim and horns and aren't just a lazy kit-basher.

>>96327312
did they get a (ok, end-of-edition) codex at the same time?

>>96327300
eat shit, post models
>>96327307
models to follow in a second

>>96327322
Yeah, and? I'm sick of people pretending kitbashing is anything but lazy. I'm not going to clap for you for a head swap that makes a model look worse than before.

>>96327223
Hmm, it really does play across the eyes like that.

>>96327332
Holy wow he just called anon out

Waiting for a response now >>96327300

>>96327263
Unlike you he has models and plays the game. He even posted his models!

>>96327332
I'm gonna need a receipt proving date of purchase, anon
Anyone can go on ebay nowadays

>>96327372
Of course

>>96327357
That dude will not post anything, he only tries to police the thread like a faggot and calls everyone he doesn't agree with a nomodels, /v/ermin or some other buzzword. Replying to actual models is retarded, he should just be ignored

>>96327375
Agreed, he is the same anon who bullies me regularly

>>96327375
>ignored
[spoilerbanned[/spoiler]
fixed

>>96326623
>pic related
did nothing wrong

>>96327375
I remember once a time when he tried to say that my opinion doesn't count because he saw in my collection what he believed was a forge world model and thus I was a paypig. Not realising it was a kitbash. It was pretty funny I won't lie.

>>96327332
>>96327357
seethe
cope
dial 8
etc

>>96326577
>>96326723
Ah yes. their chapter special doctrine would be running away after dropping their weapons.

their flaws would be a need for garlic, onions and wine.

ad they would be a chaos chapter because they would have fallen to chaos in the heresy for being faggoty gay bum boys for each other.

there's nothing more pathetic than boxposting

couldnt the vampire twink primarch come back to life if big E turned him into a order demon prince like that one whore in the sisters of battle.

>>96327392
>1233
Whoa, anon is from the future

>>96327392
Oh shitttt!!!!

>>96327392
>1233
no 1233 posts here

>>96327399
that's the sanguinor

>>96327397
your inane posts rank high up there

>>96327399
Dante will mantle the Sanguinor during the End Times and become Sanguinius reborn.

>>96327401
1233 was centuries ago anon

>>96326897
Actually thought it was a semi-dreadnought with only a marine torso in there. Limbs being mechanical.

>>96327401
>>96327406
>>96327425
thats the time guys.. anon is US mountain timezone

>>96327392
I'm pretty sure picture of a box does not qualify as "models"

>>96327437
Can you even post a box with a TS or is that asking your secondary ass too much?

>>96327437
based goalpost moving retard

>>96327437
What do you think goes in those boxes secondary-kun?

Nightbringer is really just reminding me of this pic when I look at the important bits of the model.

>>96327245
Yes.
A Warlock Conclave becomes part of the Guardian squad itself as per their rules.
As written, you can even have Yvraine and the Visarch join a squad of Guardians with a Warlock Conclave AND a Weapons Platform.

>>96327444
>>96327445
>>96327447
Oh cool, next time someone asks me to post models I'll just post a timestamped box, that's convenient. Thanks guys, didn't know it works that way. I'm neither of the anons that are arguing btw

Posting more models since people are clearly craving it.

>>96327436
Yep, Colorado
>>96327437
All my old chaos army are in Tupperware in my basement currently awaiting my decision to repaint them a 5th time or cannibalize them for bits for extra flare on my modern CSM

>>96327392
>posts a box
>he thinks this proves anything.

>>96327480
at this point you need to post a batrep to prove anything

>>96327488
Cope harder nomodels

>>96327486
you should go into your basement and take a picture of one of them

>>96327392
>still hasnt posted models

>>96327490
Why would I need to prove anything to you exactly?

Who else is happy its Friday my peeps?!?!

So who actually plays games? I know of the ork guy, a necron guy, at least 2 GSC players, Sally anon, orange marines, and one of the guardfags

>>96327523
I do

>anons whapping dicks together; the thread

Can we get back to /40kg/ please?

>>96326943
Sure

>>96327533
meant for >>96327497

>>96327533
I like the dull grey look great job anon

>>96327543
kek

is facebook marketplace good for finding 2nd hand armies?

>>96327543
result of them being stripped of paint time and time again

>>96327549
etsy
ebay
facebook marketplace
>be careful of facebook/other potentially local in person meet and greet deals

>>96327549
yes depending on where you live

No one likes batreps

>>96327552
Yea I went for a local purchase and the guy dropped the box of models while removing it from his car and they broke apart everywhere. I didn't even say anything I just immediately ran back to my car and sped off leaving him to clean his mess.

>>96327551
You can't possibly think anyone is going to believe these were ever painted at this point lol

>>96327551
Brass.
really watered down/air brush flow improver 'brass oxidation' paint, it doesn't have to be oil based, because you can't put a protective coat over metal paint anyway(dulls it to a flat color)

>>96327551
do you have any models that are actually painted?

>>96327561
don't care what you believe, you're nothing but a subhuman hanger on to a conversation where both people provided models

>>96327526
You're gonna be real disappointed anon. Secret Santa starts tomorrow

>>96327569
Do you have any models at all?

>>96327493
I'm right

>>96327514
I might be getting the Yncarne ans the Visarch tomorrow.

What's the purpose of gravis when terminator armour exists that doesn't invalidate one of them? And what's the justification behind gravis being +1T but a 3+ save?

>>96327568
I like em

>>96327576
Ooooo can’t wait for SS

>>96327586
>lore reason
Terminator armor is rare and cannot be manufactured so gravis armor makes up the difference
>real reason
It makes GW more money.

>>96327586
its new

thats it, its a new product to sell

>>96327586
Gravis is easier to put on.

>>96327577
Don't change the subject, greytide.

>>96327514
I'm patiently waiting for the warcom article on Sunday with the tomb kings minis

Blatabt vidya question, but it's DoW, so I guess it's alright. Did they fix any of the bugs like being able to for pathing through enemy units or the busted IG Globals?

>>96327603
And take off

>>96327586
>What's the purpose of gravis when terminator armour exists that doesn't invalidate one of them?
Gravis is easily produced.
>And what's the justification behind gravis being +1T but a 3+ save?
There's lots more armour, but it's composed of the same materials as regular power armour.
Gravis is like the MkIII of Primaris armour.

i started work on my proxy beastmaster and beastpack today since I've given up hope of them getting a refresh
Hopefully I can get him done before the end of the month.

>>96327568
Fuck me that's tatsteful.

>>96327586
terminator is hard to build, maintain and retouch
gravis can be mass produced and easily modified
terminator offers the peak of protection, so gravis cannot also be 2+, so they gave it a different form of extra protection with high toughness

>>96327610
Yes.

>>96327586
>Lorewise
Gravis is mass produced and essentially bolting on a ton of extra plates for more protection. As a result, it is better against certain anti-infantry guns but broadly worse than Terminator Armour (Lacking invuln, 3+ instead of 2+)

>Gameplaywise
There is none.Gravis exists to get blown up by damage 3 spam

>>96327633
>Gravis exists to get blown up by damage 3 spam
Everything gets blown up by D3 spam.

Could a single culexus assassin take out an entire craftworld?

>>96327647
Yeah

>>96327639
Typically D3 spam is less bad when you have a 4++ to defend against it
Gravis is just 99% of the time paying similar PPM (Erads are 33.33, Terminators are 34) for a unit that has most of the issues of Terminators without the upsides (Good characters that can join, deep strike)

>>96327647
Yes.

>>96327647
Nah

>>96327586
Gravis is easier to produce and more manoeuvrable than Terminator armour. Also it's part of the flexible MkX system, so it's much more easy to tweak and enhance for certain operations. you won't find flying terminators.

>>96326943
a lot of little mistakes that I might go back to fix in the future but calling these done

>>96326943
Postan

Bloat Drones should go down to D6 shots damage 2

>>96327700
Work on your photoshop skills. This is barrly above slop.

>>96327727
Seethe more decalmutant

>>96327684
looking great O&T!

>>96327727
I just do it when I'm bored I'm not trying to win any awards with it

>>96327617
Isn't this unit getting squatted in like three months?

>>96327733
That is not me you idiot, stop trying to cause Model poster beef

>>96327684
Banner turned out very nice

>>96327684
Nice work!

>>96327684
Glad to have you back O&T don't let these negative peeps get to you.

>>96327617
I think the resin is getting squatted

>>96327684
Turned out very messy and not in a good way
>>96327735
>>96327752
Fuck off decalslopper

>>96327757
The hell is your problem?

>>96327760
Love the snow bases

>>96327737
That looks great anon!

Any tips for someone tempted to try it themselves?

>>96327684
The banner and tabards and sword all look great but the rest is kind of a mess that all bleeds together
Especially all the coffee staining on their white armor

In Dark Eldar refresh news, the archon and wracks have now been deleted from the web store. They are no longer purchasable from GW and are not even listed as sold out.

>>96327791
still wont get the 5th ed archon back though

>>96327764
Been lovely to have watched that come along Greendar, it's come out great. Love the gem stones!

>>96327771
Thanks mate, this is probably the best close up of the base I got.

>>96327767
Just making sure you remember you aren't welcome here and should fuck off permanently <3

>>96327798
Wow real nice, good paint job either way.

>>96326775
>>96326813
>>96326823
>carnac trying to samefag another person into existence
Take your brain medicine and stop schizoing out

>>96327772
I just use a white background for my pics and cut out out the minis in photoshop, paste them on a background, slap a bunch of smoke effects on it and then go through and tweak the lighting on all the layers so they sortve look like they're in the same environment. Then I dump a filter over everything and call it done

>>96326931
why the hell did they not fill this it looks terrible

>>96327798
>Just giving you the attention you desperately crave that makes it more likely you'll stay here <3
fixed that for you, retard

>>96327801
>Everybody who insults me is the modelposter I've been seething about rent free for months
Get a new script mutant

>>96327807
I honestly like the look of our anons NLs much better

>>96327807
Sasuke lookin rough

>>96327807
Such a fucking disappointment

>>96327808
>>96327810
You fellas are two peas in a pod

>>96327807
So I guess ill have to paint the lightning bolts on the prebuilt bits or add it extra or, what Im confused.

I think the models are cool though idk why people are complaining.

I got my hands on an astartes battlegroup. Im trading the dorito for a normal contemtor that im just gonna run as a regular dreadnought.


Passed on the saturnine box because most of it doesnt interest me though i did grab a box of MK2's.


The only other thing in Saturnine that interests me is I might get a Saturnine praetor to proxy as either Calgar or a Terminator Captain in artificer armor

>>96327844
Play legion imperialis

>>96327844
Sounds fun. How are you painting them

>>96327844
>Saturnine praetor to proxy as either Calgar or a Terminator Captain in artificer armor
i expect the multiple anons who posted plans for this to post them once completed

>>96327747
>>96327751
thanks much to the both of you
>>96327757
>>96327789
yeah my enamel wash was not behaving how it normally does, must've messed up on the gloss coat or something, and in my batchpainting missed hitting a few spots with thinner to remove the harsher lines
and somehow again I forgot to mask the tabards off before weathering so they're needing some touchup in areas badly

>>96327804
Neat. I might give it a go.

What program do you use personally?

It looks absolutely awesome and well worth the extra effort.

>>96327862

Ultramarines Nemesis Chapter

>>96327737
That's fair, but you still should work on it.
You can paint well, you shouldn't accept mediocrity in other artistic endeavors. I know you can do better and become better.
Work on it.

>>96327885
I use photolayers on my phone. I can't be assed sitting at my computer most of the time for stuff like that. It has a good cropping tool and is pretty simple

Why are they fat?

>>96327920
heavy armor because they will be in close quarters combat

>>96327895
NTA but you don't need to be good at absolutely everything you do, chill out

>>96327920
Women tend to let themselves go once they get married.
All SoB are married to Emps.

>>96326943
I will finish the bladeguards and the new Chaplain, hopefully they will be done by next week. Even if the bases arent finished.

>>96327942
Then you are a failure.

>>96327895
Nah I got enough hobbies as is, I'm okay with being mediocre at most of them if I'm having fun. I'm gonna pick things up here or there as I try them but I'm not really interested in chasing the dragon in everything. Rn I'm diving into cooking really hard, so my "researching" time is taken up by that.

>>96327684
The fur is a cool touch
>>96327757
schizo on schizo crime :(

>>96327956
Requesting hotrod flames in some small place or on a small detail on your next guys

>>96327807
Trve believers recognize that these models are WB coded, not NL.

>>96327996
back to your heresycuckshed
NL in 40k are full on corrupted csm

>>96328011
are you retarded? Genuine question

>>96327971
thanks, was happy to finally see if my GS work read well enough once painted up

>>96328032
Great work again Sallybruh, truly an inspiration.

>>96328032
This turned out so sick. Also are those trucknuts on the gun barrel lmfao

kitbashing an interesting sisters character is tough

>>96328052
What are you using for the base model?

>>96328052
start from something that's not a sister of battle

>>96328068
I mean most sisters models are basically the same thing, not a lot of variety in them you know
>>96328078
like what? greyfax?

>>96328084
>like what?
it depends on what kind of interesting thing you want your character to be or do

say for example you wanted a character that exemplified the motto "my faith is my shield" you'll want someone who's not armored and looking like a fair maiden, purity over everything
a damsel or lumineth model like pic related with just a boltgun and some faction specific bits replaced suddenly make it a whole new sight which I will argue can fit in a sob army

so what do you want out of your gal? do you have an archetype in mind? something noteworthy one of your models once did in battle that could warrant a special model?

>>96327791
New archon, lelith, new wracks (or a rebox?) and new grotesques maybe?

>>96327920
standard gw posing and the headdress

>>96328174
currently rumors are only sure about a new archon
I think wracks might simply get reboxed, maybe bundled in a unit of 10 models

New WD confirms that all of Space Marine 2 is set within the Bastior subsector where much of the Tyrannic War crusade content is set. Idk but that came as news to me.

>>96328084
Greyfax would be a great option. Could also explore options in the stormcast range and just swap in the boots, backpacks and pauldrons from sisters stuff. Maybe scrape down the ab plates and gs a corset.

>>96328199
10box of wracks would be nice
My mad cope is that they're going to rebox them but first debut them as a box set with Urien + Grotesques and then the 10m box later

>>96326893
Giving the opponent a cover save basically nullifies it's -1 AP. 2 Damage doesn't mean anything if it never gets through.

>>96328199
Wracks were online only before in the white box when bought, so a rebox with actual photos and logos etc makes sense

>>96328172
>>96328206
I've never really looked at the AoS ranges before, guess I'll give them a perusal while I rethink what I want to do.
Thanks gents.

>>96328084
Not that you'll ever find one of pic related, but I think doing a drastically different helmet would be an easy way to make a standard sisters body feel different

DRUKHARI COMBAT PATROL REMOVED FROM GW STORE
REFRESH HAPPENING

>>96328236
scroll down nigga

>>96328032
Very nice. Did they ever settle on what life is like for humans in Tau occupied space?

>>96328245
>sold out online

>>96328245
Check the UK website

>got a phone call earlier today that my dad got a new truck despite tariffs and the state of the economy in general
>my mom was audibly stressed to shit regarding it meaning he likely made her co-sign despite her having finally wrapped up her own auto payments earlier in the year
>mom just told me to be ready in case I need to chip in or help act as a financial safety net
So how do I go about parting with extra armies? Do people tend to actually buy whole pre-painted lots or would I be better off moving them out as individual units/smaller batches?

>>96328247
Recentbl novel elemental council showed it as mixed. Mostly left alone if you are law abiding but dissidents get shipped offworld far from home

>>96328254
Oh, interesting.
Also side note but holy fucking shit searching the GW site is so bad
How does anyone use this garbage regularly

>>96328236
Inb4 pity malys and new CP is succubus, 10 wyches and 5 hellions

>>96327791
>Entire range is 16 kits
>Two are dual builds and one is a kill team upgrade with no rules
>Two are fucking aircraft
>4 are characters, two of which are epic heroes
What an anemic range. I can't believe this army has been around since the start of 3rd edition.

>>96328260
Tell your dad to fuck off

>>96328275
The issue is that they've got 4 super cool kits that bring a lot of flavour and diversity to the range that died because lolfinecast

>>96328231
There's some cool sculpts I think could work well

>>96328275
It used to be better when the resin stuff was still for sale

>>96328260
Tell your dad he's a fag

>>96328032
This one looks a lot cleaner than your other stuff, photo-wise as well. Pretty good brother

>>96328231
Also check out some of the warcry warbands, and underworlds warbands. They're pretty nice and a lot of non gw LGS stores have them pegwarming if they don't have a local underworlds scene

>>96328275
>>96327791
>No Archon
>No Court of the Archon
>No Beastmaster
>No Urien Rakarth
>No Grotesques
>No Wracks
>No Tantus
>No Reaper
>No Dais of Destruction
>No Asdrubael Vect
>No Kruellagh
>No Dracon
>No Lady Aurelia Malys
>No Duke Sliscus
>No Baron Sathonyx
>No Succubus on Jetbike
>No Haemonculus with Wings
>No Trueborn
>No Blood Brides
>No Haemoxytes
Dark Eldar have lost a lot of units over the years. They're literally half the army they used to be.

>>96328332
Does anyone important really care tho?

cant wait for dark eldar to get folded into emperors children

>>96328332
How did you get past the spam filter with that formatting but when I try and reply to every modelpost with a compliment I get the spam trigger

>>96328340
spam filter is for quoting posts, not formatting like that

>>96328332
>>No Lady Aurelia Malys
>>No Duke Sliscus
>>No Baron Sathonyx
>>No Trueborn
>>No Blood Brides
>>No Haemoxytes
I don't think any of these ever had models, despite having data sheets. The last 3 were just posh kabalites/wyches/wracks

>>96328332
half of this is not actually lost
half of the rest is just unit options
half of the rest after that is special characters that didn't have a model
the rest after that is vect listed 2 times

>>96328380
tbf vect is so cool that he deserves two models

>>96328345
The more you know, I wonder what the limit is for quoted posts

>>96328390
Vect had both rules as a foot hero and as a vehicle at different times

The 3d printed and painted terrain a guy donated are just collecting dust in the terrain bin at the lgs.
They’re damaged imperial ruins.
There’s a layer of dust on them.
They aren’t l shaped.
Regulars and casuals are still using the unpainted L shaped mdf terrain instead.

>>96328459
L shaped terrain is vastly superior

>>96328459
Basically some people have lesser souls and when they die it's obliterated, like an animal.

>>96328511
Booba

>>96328497
It needs to change to be honest. Maybe destructible terrain will fix it?
>>96328502
Is the npc aware of his npc-ness not an npc or still an npc?
Really I’ve asked to use the printed terrain and the players often refuse with excuses like the terrain not being fair or they’re “training” for tournament play which always involves L shaped terrain.

>>96328539
>Maybe destructible terrain will fix it?
No, that's too complex for the average player.

>>96328549
>too complex for the average player.
I was thinking of the terrain based on size’s health being treated like vehicle “health” rules except it can’t move or attack. But in its destruction can damage units like a guard hellhound exploding.
Is that really too complicated?

why the hell are company heroes + cap the only good defensive unit basic space marines have? these guys are just as survivable as assault termies with shields, provide more OC, and you don't have to waste command points since they can AoC themselves for free
was looking for things to try and hold points that wouldn't get melted by knights/dg/blood angels

>>96327737
>>96327733
>>96327727
>>96327735
carnac, stop talking to yourself

>>96328563
because basic marines aren't the defensive unit? they have other armour for that

>>96327956
I like the hazard stripes

>>96328583
What is this stupidity about a carnac?

>>96328594
no, we don't company heroes has more survivability than anything in our codex right now
even shit like dreadnoughts and landraiders get blown up in 1 or 2 activations now and they have a 2+ save

>>96328608
Ignore the schizo

>>96328549
I know you’re joking but I think this is genuinely true.
What else can I do but laugh at it?

But seriously though destructible terrain might actually be helpful but I’m no game designer.

>>96328511
Grande tetas

>>96328583
?

>>96328617
that's 10th for you

>>96328539
>Maybe destructible terrain will fix it?
Destructible terrain requires modular buildings that can be removed

It'd be a death knell for conventional scratchbuilt terrain, even GW is not so dumb to make its rules incompatible with good old normal terrain made by hobbyists

>>96328594
Not really
Gravis gets chewed up, and both normie marine Terminators are shit
if you want tanky, you kind of have to go for company heroes

>GW makes article on DoW remaster
>guy they're interviewing makes specific mention of eldar
>GW adds an asterix at the bottom saying thats what they were called 20 years ago and retained for the remasters release
GW totally wanted to get everything renamed in the game where possible didnt they?

why would you mention that?

>>96328643
>even GW is not so dumb to make its rules incompatible with good old normal terrain made by hobbyists
They are dumb enough to make models designed to make conversions harder than they should be beyond headswaps so they might be dumb enough.
That said I wasn’t thinking of modular terrain I was thinking of the whole terrain piece being discarded after destruction and damages to nearby units calculated.
But I see your point. Terrain integrated into the board may cause problems.

>>96328678
To control the language of the fanbaae

>>96328678
because GW, in one of their more retarded moments, tried to sue someone on copyright grounds and they lost
it was pretty lulzy at the time, but it was followed by back to back pants on head retarded shit like end times and age of skubmar

>>96328695
What if gw won the chapterhouse lawsuit? You think they would have gone on a suing spree after that?
What other manufactures would they have gone after?

>>96328678
>GW totally wanted to get everything renamed in the game where possible didnt they?
No, or they would have done it.

>>96328608
>>96328638
ignore the larper

>>96328711
they would have gone after every single bits maker ever, you are only allowed to buy GW plastic, period, better not convert with other plastic or you'll get your instagram pictures striked

I swear to god if they squat tacticals and devastators...

>>96328736
they're going to get upgraded into tacticus and gravis armor in 11e's starter box

>>96328736
I hope they do. Total firstborn death.
Give phobos their roles.

>>96328720
>GW: rename this in the remaster
>relic: no, fuck off

>>96328736
you need to be at LEAST 6 feet tall to play space chads

>>96328497
You can have L shaped ruins that still have lower ruins were walls would have been and that have more detail than flat mdf panels. 3d printing makes this super easy.

>>96328748
Why the fuck do they have to put gravis on every heavy weapon? Marines habe been capable of carrying heavies without extra armour since forever. They'll habe SoB and CSM laughing at them and their weak arms.

>>96328759
not how it works

>>96328766
cause heavy weapon + heavy armor is kino

>>96328766
to sell more kits

heavy weapons in a tactical squad is one kit and while its only the one weapon, provides some anti tank
whereas intercessors and desolation marines are 2 kits, thus double the sales

Is there any hope of just getting Primaris'd versions of Tacticals/Devastators/Assaults and losing all the retarded minor variations which are impossible to keep track of? Or is the range bloat the goal?

>>96328762
why dont the rims matchthe basing. This feels like rape.

>>96328766
they don't have to
but it looks better and makes sense

>>96328781
are you dumb

>>96328780
range bloat is the goal until loss of sales

>>96328032
I like it

>>96328748
I honestly can't see them getting even a fraction of their weapon options. Melta, plasma, bolter and missiles are covered by other retarded squads and GW seems to pretend grav doesn't exist. That leaves only lascannons.

>>96327684
Very crisp, the tabards really accentuate your new scheme orange and tealanon

>>96328774
One tactical and one devastator squad are two kits too what kinda argument ks that?

>>96328736
already as good as, mixed units are too complex so now we have intercessors and hellblasters and eradicators. they continue to sell the old kits because why not, it costs them pennies a sprue until the moulds break

>>96328803
Not only that, the retarded primaris long weapons eat both the special and heavy versions of each weapon niches.

>>96328803
grav guns, volkites and disintegration weapons are just too out there
they're only for rare instances on hq, not squads

>>96328813
a tactical squad kit comes with a missle launcher anon

>Reading HH book 5: Fulgrim
>A woman lies about attempted rape to Lucius and convinces him to start slicing up his own face
What the fuck am I reading

>>96328821
you've been whining about guns being 2mm longer than they used to be in this exact same feminine style for several days straight
get a life

>>96328828
dunno, ask /hhg/

>>96328829
>feminine style
Stop. You're just encouraging it.

>>96328803
>GW seems to pretend grav doesn't exist.
And thanks god for that. Bringing back grav was an absolute mistake. What even is his role supposed to be that melta and plasma don't cover?

>>96328767
Clearly how it works since you KNOW the seething lawercucks at GW wanted to change the names to all the new aos tier faggot copyrighted shit but clearly couldn't

Relichads stay winning

the primaris designs are objectively better than what you had as a teenager.

>>96328780
>are they going to get rid of 40+ models, refresh every single marine army again, and return to having 3 kits on their most popular and successful army

Please at least try to think before asking retarded questions

>>96328833
I dont play HH. I just want to read it because it's part of 40k's lore. You do know that HH and 40k are related...right?

One thing in the lore irks me a little
Supposedly, DAOT humanity had these wild ass weapons and shit, saying it surpassed even the old races arsenal.
However, you read war in heaven aswell and you see some wild shit.
So what is it? Which one is the propaganda?

>>96328827
And? You're taking a whole ass other unit because you need the damage. You'll never not take a dedicated weapons squad just because the basic troop squad can get one gun.

>>96328851
yes

>>96328851
>So what is it? Which one is the propaganda?
Both
Are you new to 40k?

>>96328851
>Supposedly, DAOT humanity had these wild ass weapons and shit, saying it surpassed even the old races arsenal.
This never happened
>So what is it? Which one is the propaganda?
Saying DAOT surpassed the War in Heaven is just some Imperium wank, it's not actually stated anywhere in the lore. Hell, the recent Silent King novel has Cawl cumming over Necron tech and saying humanity never got even close to their level.

>>96328829
Call them whatever, the point is that the primaris weapons, being an inbetween the classic special and heavy weapons, make both redundant. So there's no design space left for a unit like devastators that carry all heavies or a unit like tacticals that carry one of each.

>>96328837
>you KNOW
we don't, really, gw's legal preoccupations don't exist with an older product, they're only a thing on newer products
a remaster in court would be defended as the old product, so noone gets to say anything about it now because noone said anything about it back then

>>96328836
Pinning. But GW removed it from the game in 8th.

>>96328848
>?
>>96328833

>>96328851
The old races are post war in heaven eldars.
Nobody in the imperium knows of the war in Heaven, not even Abaddon is aware of what Vashtor was talking about when he said "old gods" (Abby thought he was talking of the big four).
I dont even think the Emperor knows of the war in Heaven.

>>96328851
Impossible to know. Both are ancient and not really relevant beyond certain rare events/technologies that have survived.

>>96328866
I'd argue DAoT humanity had at least comparable weapons when you consider things like the singularity cannon and temporal disruptors.

>>96328851
>saying it surpassed even the old races arsenal
that's never actually said, daot humans never surpassed the eldar or the necrons or the old ones

grav guns are not 'classic' guns.
grav guns were some of the most disgusting additions to the game GW ever did, same with fliers and flyer rules.
Absolutely abhorrent behaviour, they're so much better now.

>>96328877
The Eldar know it as myth, and have told Guilliman in The Silent King

>>96328887
>he doesn't know

>>96328879
the singularity gun, fired from a continent-sized super-duper prototype the age of technology people consider way too dangerous and buried away missed and failed to destroy an eldar cruiser. it's really not that crazy.

>>96328887
I like flyers, but they are kinda hard to balance so I understand why people don't like them

>>96328868
>the primaris weapons, being an inbetween the classic special and heavy weapons, make both redundant.
What made special weapons redundant was heavy weapons being able to move and shoot

>>96328895
Only as myth. Nobody really knows the insane level of fuckery that happened, except the Silent King, if he is even capable of remembering it. Entire physical laws died and were born with the passing of the CTan.

>>96328918
There's other factors like point costs, availiability and range/transports but yeah they are all pretty much gone.

>>96328868
>make both redundant
no, they don't

>>96328925
Supposedly Eldrad has "seen" into the past to the War in Heaven but yeah basically only the top Necrons know the details.

>>96328828
Lucius.. He never had the makings of a First Captain

>>96328938
>only the top Necrons know the details.
even they have fucked up memories, it's only really the silent king

>>96328908
Eldar literally have black hole and and antimatter guns in hand portable sizes. Humanity needing a continent to house a particle accelerator for a singularity gun is trite by comparison.

>>96328950
and yet they still job to a human with a 38000 year old pistol design who can get a lucky shot in

>>96328736
They will get legends'd eventually. They already try to make them so bad that taking them is actively harmful to your army list.

>>96328950
Cawl's doomsday weapons were more than a match for the Silent King's

>>96328954
Yeah? We have nukes, gas weapons, drones, satelites, and a chimpanzee with a rock can still brain us.
What's your point?

>>96328954
I mean imperium are the protagonists of the setting, of course they're gonna win in the lore. Doesnt' matter if it makes sense or not

>xenos and chaos can have weapons that are assault, heavy, lethal, devastating wounds, sustained 2, melta 4 on one profile
>space marines get assault, heavy and it's the end of the world
grognards are a confusing creature, on one hand wanking old marines but wanting marines to be eternal losers on tabletop

>>96326450
Void Dragon is the only updated one (unless you could the transcendant one that isn't available for separate sale), nightbringer is getting an update in like 6 months so don't buy the current one since it's being squatted.

>>96326522
>greytide EC

>>96328964
in other news: a pair of descendants of a theropod dinosaur were outmatched by a rock

>>96327394
Is it 2002 again and america is mad about the 'alliance of weasel'? The historical French were all about ELAN and the death korps of krieg are actually le mort corps de guerre

>>96328932
The problem is that when you take a unit with a special/heavy weapon you take it because you want a job done, so unless those two have a very different characteristics you are always going to default to the most efficient. The tradeoff between stronger but immobile and weaker but mobile was generally enough to give both of those a niche.

Once those went away it only became a factor of wounds per point, which made one option king and everything else redundant.

>>96328944
Do we actually know that the Silent King doesn't have fucked up memories himself?

>>96329001
pretty sure it's stated, yes

but he's hiding shit and clearly lying

>>96329016
I thought so too but then I talked to him and realized that actually he was in the right.

>>96328990
you implying that didn't already happen and space marine metas were always parking lots/spam/melee spam
literally no one except the autist who never played outside his weekly match against the same guy every week was picking his tactical marines special weapons for special needs cases
you can still see this in display with scouts, a unit everyone takes not because of their weapons but because they screen/tarpit/uppy downy
you could equip them however you want, they have a lot of flexibility, but realistically they're better as an all knife hit squad because when you do fight with them it's going to be melee, the sniper will never do shit, the missile launcher will never wound anything

>>96328780
>Tacticals
GW probably do it adding an extra sprue to the intercessors kit.
>Devastators
Nope, their new design paradigm is to split them into multiple units.
If they ever do it, they'll be Gravis, like the new DW KT
>Assaults
already exist, just split in two kits

>>96328990
tactical special weapons were never really good as a niche
you never yook meltas for anti-tank flexibility on tacts because the wargear cost didn't make it worth it, if anything you'd just get a bunch of combi-melta Sternguard, chuick them down in a drop pod and try to pop them there.

It was mainly plas as a general option

>>96328935
Why would you ever take a plasma cannon devastator or a unit of plasmaguns over hellblasters?

Imperium armor is made of speshul nihonese ceramite folded 40000 times and cannot be harmed by inferior western segmentum Xenos disintegration rays

>>96328828
It's called fun. Lucius's parts in McNeill's stories tend to be.

>>96329037
>you implying that didn't already happen
Oh yes what I am talking about happened way back. In 8th edition, with Heavy weapons only getting a -1 to hit if moved it was the most egregious, but in 6th and 7th there was the problem of Grav being a better weapons than literally everything else, being better plasma against infantry and better melta against vehicles. And Grab Cannons could be taken on Centurions, which could move and shoot, so fuck everything else.

>>96329078
I was generally talking about devastators Vs special weapon squads (either sternguards with combi or command squads). I agree with tactical special weapons being manly plasma (and once in a while a melta if you were already planning on drop podding them).

>>96329037
>one except the autist who never played outside his weekly match against the same guy every week was picking his tactical marines special weapons for special needs cases
Las/plas and melta/multimelta tacs were a thing. As was rhino rush.

>>96329071
>already exist, just split in two kits
So why the fuck they can't take a couple of flamers/meltas or even an eviscerator? Many primaris units already get a 1/5 special weapon.

>>96329101
Ok, now remove hellblasters from the equation. Why would you ever take a unit of plasma guns over plasma cannons devastators?

>>96329101
are you crying over design niches, or in-setting role, or tabletop rules? because you flip flop from one onto the other depending on the faults of your hill, without realising that those are independently tuned things.
Or more likely you're purposefully being in denial of that, because your position is to seethe about the gun first and only then rationalize your seethe retroactively.

>>96329151
In any situation you needed to move. On tacticals in a rhino. On assault squads or terminator squads (for chaos) deepstriking.

>>96329162
Mainly rules right now but both apply. Take the most basic of guns. The boltgun. Why would space marines ever use a boltgun if a bolt rifle is simply better in any way with no downside and they can make as many as they want? Primaris weapons just have no tradeoffs.

>>96329173
plasma cannons move too

>>96329173
>In any situation you needed to move.
You have been able to move with heavy weapon for three editions grandpa. Even more if you count snapshots and various kind of bonuses.
>On tacticals in a rhino. On assault squads or terminator squads (for chaos) deepstriking.
>Unit of plasmaguns
>Well I meant a single model with that weapon, a unit reserved to only certain factions (assault squads were not able to take plasma guns outside of BA since at least 5th edition) and a unit from a different army
Dude

>>96329196
there are tradeoffs, which is why some primaris units still use bolters instead of bolt rifles, the rules are simply not granular enough for the tradeoff to matter in the stats of the gun so it's made to matter implicitly in the choice of equipment and unit points cost

>>96329196
What tradeoff had a boltgun

>>96328678
It's just in case little timmy doesn't know what eldar is

>>96329199
They couldn't shoot before 8th if you moved. And after 8th, hellblasters just can get more guns per unit.
>>96329203
Yeah and those editions have coincidentally been the ones were primaris have existed and displaced their role. Hell it was even worse in 8th because the primaris weapons had assault and heavy versions aswell so they covered an even bigger niche.
>Dude
There was nothing else that could take specials, my dude.

>>96328976
Transcendant ctan can only be bought alongside a tesseract vault right?

>>96329207
>there are tradeoffs
Which ones?
>which is why some primaris units still use bolters instead of bolt rifles
Outside of scouts?
>so it's made to matter implicitly in the choice of equipment and unit points cost
How? There's not a single unit where this happens.
>>96329221
Why would it need a tradeoff? It's the basic gun.

>>96329173
>Why would you ever take a unit of plasma guns over plasma cannons devastators?
>Well if I play Chaos, have no access to Devastators with Plasma Cannons and my plasma guns are on Terminators

You mongoloid
You absolute retard

>>96329225
>There was nothing else that could take specials, my dude.
You really are complaining about special weapons without knowing that veterans could take them

>>96329225
>but the edition
then your problem is not with the gun, it's with the rules
change the rules of the gun and suddenly there's no problem anymore with the idea of the gun

next you're going to pretend that it would be impossible to find a rules niche for the gun, or you're going to play the part of that percentage of the population that doesn't understand hypotheticals

>>96329241
You do know sternguard also had acces to combis, right? And that they could take vehicles and drop pods, right? I only said terminators because I was already talking about deepstriking.

>>96329239
Primaris marines don't use old bolters because they are smaller than bolt carbines
Primaris are significantly larger than firstborn and need weapons designed for real men and not manlets
that's why only scouts use bolters

>>96329239
>Which ones?
dunno, go ask /vg/
>Outside of scouts?
yes: grey hunters, phobos, some characters

>>96329225
>it was even worse in 8th because the primaris weapons had assault and heavy versions aswell so they covered an even bigger niche.

I am trying to follow your argument here, but you are saying that the edition were Primaris had a special weapon version of Plasma and a heavy weapon version of Plasma had the difference between special weapons and heavy weapons made redundant by the fact that Primaris had those two different versions

>>96329255
What rules would make a unit like devastators have a place in a world where all the primaris squads exist? The fact is that making an in-between of two niches either makes both niches redundant or the inbetween redundant.

>>96329267
>grey hunters, phobos, some characters
Those are bolt carbines, not boltguns.

>>96329261
You said terminators because you are an absolute retard that while comparing units from a single army brought on for absolute no reason another unit from a complete different army that had no access to one of those units

At this point just say that devastators with multimelta were inferior to Malta special weapons because Fire Dragons can take a Falcon or a Wave Serpent
You imbecile

>>96329278
>The fact is that making an in-between of two niches either makes both niches redundant or the inbetween redundant.
that's not a fact, at all.
it'd be like saying that plasma guns make both plasma pistols and plasma cannons redundant, but they never did.

>>96329278
why do firstborn and firstborn weapons need to be in the setting at this point?

>>96329261
>You do know sternguard also had acces to combis
>>96329225
>There was nothing else that could take specials, my dude.

Other than
>Assault Marines with plasma guns instead of plasma pistols
>Terminators with plasma in Space Marines

Just admit that you don't even play Marines or have any idea of how the codex worked in the past anon. It's clear you have no idea what you are talking about.

>>96329001
Yeah. He didn't go into a deep sleep like the rest of the necrons.
It's heavily hinted at that he may have had a hand in the creation of the tyranids

>>96329316
That's retarded and you know it

>>96329283
bolt carbines are boltguns.
and no, in some of those cases we are talking explicitly about boltguns.

>>96329294
Plasmaguns aren't an inbetween. They are a different niche altogether. Pistols are for melee. Specials are for moving. Heavy are for static long range.

is there a repository or archive of old white dwarfs?

>>96329324
>bolt carbines are boltguns.
Why are they called bolt carbines and have different rules to boltguns, then?

>>96329328
>Plasmaguns aren't an inbetween
yes, they are
and in the same way you can find a new niche for the primaris gun

the concept isn't the problem

>>96329269
Alright let me explain. Imperial weapons at least have different families. Bolter, plasma, flamer, melta, etc. Generally there's 3 versions of each family. A pistol version you use on melee units, a base version and a heavy version that has strictly better stats, but needs to be static. Primaris introduced their own version of those guns sits in between the basic and heavy. That, from the beggining, already makes the basic gun completely redundant because the primaris version is already better with no tradeoff. But primaris guns in 8th and 9th had an assault and a heavy version and in 10th they just get the assault and heavy traits. That expands their niche to cover the role of the heavy version aswell. So with the primaris guns there's no design space left for the original weapons.

>>96329338
for the same reason dark angels and blood angels are called differently and have different rules despite being both marines.
There are different trinkets attached.

>>96329361
What niche is there left that wasn't previously covered by the existing weapons? It's not just a matter of execution if the premise is bad from the start.

>>96329373
So if looks, name and rules don't matter, then are a heavy bolter and a bolt pistol the same? Are a heavy bolt rifle and a bolt rifle the same weapon? Is a heavy bolt pistol (why does this even exist?) and a bolt pistol the same weapon?

>>96329370
There is design space for the original weapons, only an unimaginative retard would say otherwise, gw is just not going to bother defining one because firstborn marines are slated for the trashcan in their eyes.

>>96329388
So they were made redundant, exactly what I said.

>>96326361
Which?

>>96329388
>>96329396
And there's no reason to think about the primaris/firstborn divide here. These weapons aren't exclusive to anyone. But when designing the army as a whole they just fucked everything by making those weapons. There's no rhyme or reason to it anymore.

>>96329405
no they didn't
primaris marines can't use bolters

>>96329405
>These weapons aren't exclusive to anyone.
They kind of are because wargear is dead.

>>96326351 (OP)
>What's your favourite canonical battle that your faction lost?
The Siege of Terra.
>-Do you have a model that's particularly unlucky on the tabletop?
No.

>>96329237
Yes. And if you take it apart then it becomes two separate guys. Ideally you'd probably magnetize it, or buy a cheap resin Transcendant C'tan proxy to put in the Vault and keep the plastic C'tan so you got all your bases covered.

Though, to be entirely honest, Transcendant C'tan seems like a cool place to do kitbashing of Other C'tan like that guy with the 6 flaming rainbow eyes that was at the heart of the World Engine, or that one C'tan who was exiled to another planet.

>>96329370
>>96329377
>So with the primaris guns there's no design space left for the original weapons.
If you have brain damage maybe
All the differences and inches about them boils down to different degrees of firepower Vs mobility. You need five second to come up with different degrees of them compared to the old 3 degrees of pistol - special -heavy. Here with 5

>Cannon. Heavy with longest range and most firepower
>Hybrid. Average firepower with heavy and assault
>Special. Average firepower with Rapid Fire
>Assault. High firepower but very small range but assault
>Pistol. Smallest firepower and range but can shoot in melee

>>96329421
My point is that a heavy bolter or a flamer aren't exclusive to firstborn or primaris. Even if you want to remove firstborn from the game there's no reason to remove those weapons too.

>>96329377
it is entirely a matter of execution when you are free to create hypothetical rules

you could make the niche of the hellblasters to be support fire, where they aren't as strong as the cannons, nor as cheap and mobile as the guns, but confer a debuff onto the unit that gets shot that other units can exploit
which also justifies why you field whole squads of them instead of one gun added to another squad, because said support role wouldn't be feasibly carried out by a lone gunner

>>96329396
what you said is that it's impossible for the gun to cause anything but redundancy, it's possible, gw just doesn't care about that because fitsborn are on the wat out.

>>96326943
One day I’ll get a light box

>>96329333
I know there's one on wh+ but I don't know of a free resource that collects most of them

>>96329430
>Even if you want to remove firstborn from the game there's no reason to remove those weapons too.
They are doing that because power creep mandates that weapons must become stronger with time, and if they limit the power creep to new units people are incentivised to buy the new units.

A Pure blaster is not really different from a flamer because of design space or because Primaris, it's different from a flamer because that's what a flamer is supposed to be in 10th edition but now it cost real money for you to upgrade.

>>96329428
The problem with that is that if the difference between each niche isn't significant enough, the only relevant ones will be the easiest to use. Why would you use, in your version, the rapid fire gun when the assault/heavy are infinitely easier to use at their max potential?
>>96329433
Then they aren't plasma anymore. Plasma isn't about giving debuffs. You're not keeping the identity of the weapon family.

>>96329447
Any tips for working with resin?

>>96329447
hot damn that's crisp

>>96326931
Will these and the dread get seperate releases?

>>96329459
in a couple months yes

>>96329451
>They are doing that because power creep mandates that weapons must become stronger with time
Then they can just buff the weapon? In 9th fleshborers got buffed a ton. They didn't need to create a completely separate weapon to invalidate fleshborers.
>>96329451
>A Pure blaster is not really different from a flamer because of design space or because Primaris, it's different from a flamer because that's what a flamer is supposed to be in 10th edition but now it cost real money for you to upgrade.
Considering space marines didn't have a full flamer squad, everyone would have had to buy it all the same had they used normal flamers instead of pyreblasters.

>>96329455
>if the difference between each niche isn't significant enough, the only relevant ones will be the easiest to use. Why would you use, in your version, the rapid fire gun when the assault/heavy are infinitely easier to use at their max potential?

That already applies to Plasma Cannons Vs Plasma Guns and has applied to Heavy Weapons Vs Special weapons since the dawn of 40k.
There is a reason for why for the large majority of the history of the game you never saw Multimelta Devastator Squads but a shit load of melta in drop pods.

>>96329459
>>96329464
They are already out.

>>96329467
>Then they can just buff the weapon? In 9th fleshborers got buffed a ton. They didn't need to create a completely separate weapon to invalidate fleshborers

GW is not making Primanids to sell Tyranids player their army again. If they were doing that you can bet your ass they would have done it.

>>96327480
Really. TWO spess marine armies. Like bruh.

>Vanguard Veterans
Right, "vanguard" because they're all about melee, not so much shooting.
>Sternguard Veterans
Ah, I get it. "Stern" because they're marines. That's cute. Rearguard dudes who carry big guns and fight from the backline.
>Bladeguard Veterans
Uh, they're "bladeguards" because they fight using blades... no, wait, the vanguard dudes also do that. And the name doesn't allude to a placement on the battlefield like "stern" does. Sorry, I've got nothing.

>>96329447
This is very nice

>>96329455
>Then they aren't plasma anymore
Yes, they would be, the identity of the gun is in the design and the general stat of the gun, which these would maintain
it's no different than having a plasma pistol be able to be used before/in melee, or a plasma gun having rapid fire, or a plasma cannon using a blast

take the loss and go choose a different hill to die on, maybe something subjective, noone can take you away your shit opinions, unlike how they can disprove your shit statements

>>96329456
Lord of skulls is plastic anon

>>96329483
keep seething

is the new dawn of war game good or is it being carried solely by nostalgia fags rn

>>96329490
Oh.
Wow. I thought he was resin.

>>96329483
Vanguard vets are vanguard because they lead the charge via jump packs. Blade guards are foot mounted and slower so they aren't in the foremost part of an advancing force

>>96329483
>And the name doesn't allude to a placement on the battlefield
yes it does, it's metaphorical

>>96327956
Hazards on a fucking bolter. Radical.

>>96329497
New? It's just the first game but with HD textures, better lighting and improved pathfinding.

>>96329503
They're the edge of the battleline, not the tip of the spear.

>>96329483
Bladeguard have no reason to exist as a separate unit. They do nothing that vanguard vets couldn't already do.

>>96329518
vanguard vets don't make good bodyguards

>primaris intercessor suffers damage to his tacticus armor
>strips armor down to a phobos configuration while awaiting repairs
>his sergeant confronts him
>declares he is now banished from the intercessor squad on pain of servitorization
>he will either have to find a phobos squad that will take him in or fend for himself
>at least until his armor is reconfigured as tacticus, after which it will be business as usual
Why are they like this?

>>96329532
>on pain of servitorization
secondary

>>96328908
Theres one of those in an Mechanicus Ark ship. Honestly all the arks probably have one.

>>96329532
Wait until you hear that the same squad of intercessors can change armour, take a different weapon and deploy as a different squad if the situation requires it

>>96329518
Vanguard vets can't guard the center of the fighting force, they're vanguard forces, remember?

>>96329469
That literally only applies to multimeltas because they still wanna be in close range despite being heavy. Every other gun had a tradeoff between mobility and firepower at range.
>>96329487
>it's no different than having a plasma pistol be able to be used before/in melee, or a plasma gun having rapid fire, or a plasma cannon using a blast
Yes it is? One's a trait of the weapon category and another of the weapon family. If you make a hybrid weapon that's both heavy and assault it either makes the assault and heavy versions irrelevant or sucks itself. You can have more categories but they would need to be severely restricted to not eat away the other's niches. For example, dreadnoughts get a heavy plasma cannon that's better than the plasma cannon in every way... but you only get it in the dreadnought so they don't compete with eachother. Hellblasters do compete with sternguard with combiplasmas and devastators with plasma cannons

>>96329513
Oh it’s only the first game? I thought it was all three. That’s gay.

>>96329552
It's the first one with all expansions included.

>>96329532
>people do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

>>96329548
So bladeguards guard the blades of all the non-bladeguards, is that the idea?

>>96329464
>>96329470
Neat ty.

>>96329551
>One's a trait of the weapon category
And this is a new trait because you tasked me with making a new niche/weapon category.
The suggested trait doesn't compete with anything.

>>96329551
>That literally only applies to multimeltas because they still wanna be in close range despite being heavy. Every other gun had a tradeoff between mobility and firepower at range
And people still used the one they found simpler to use at their max potential.

I made the mistake of Reading HH novels and now I like custards.

Is it okay to still put heavy weapon teams (third party resin) on 60mm bases or is it better that I conform to current edition base sizes?

>>96329447
God I want a lord of skulls so badly. Very nice model anon.

>>96329551
>Every other gun had a tradeoff between mobility and firepower at range.

A plasma gun with 2 shots, 24" and rapid fire 1 would absolutely have tradeoffs compared to a plasma rifle with 2 shots, 24" and assault and heavy.

Namely the plasma would be a lot stronger at short range while still being able to be mobile, while the rifle would either be more mobile or stronger at long range while needing to stay still, but not both. You end up with a squad that is better used to keep mobile each turn and use short range firepower, while the other is better suited to run to a vantage point and then stay still to shoot across the battlefield.

>>96329600
/lgbt/ is a few blocks away

>>96329546
No loadout mixing allowed. The whole squad must wear the same armor. If a squad of ten Intercessors has five guys who put on Gravis to be Heavy Intercessors, the squad will split and the boys in Gravis will form a whole new squad with its own Sergeant. Even if it was just one of them who decided to wear Gravis, he would have to go. He would not be allowed to take to the field alongside the Intercessors of his former squad.

>>96329600
coming back to the hobby I was neutral to custodes, but meeting custodes fans has made me hate them.

I'm relapsing into this bullshit and I need some advice, /40Kg/. I have models for several different factions.
Namely:
>CSMs
>Nu-crons
>Tau
>Orkz
>Ad-Kek
>Couple starters for Smurf-reens+ATV
>And one moving violation AM Sentinel.
However, I'm also interested in branching to Genestealers and Killteam.

Should I narrow the scope down to just one army and focus on it, or cut my losses and go to KT?
(Yes, you may point and laugh at the shitty job I did for the ATV back in 2023/2024.)

>>96329614
>He would not be allowed to take to the field alongside the Intercessors of his former squad.
You think different squads can't take the field together? You guys have very strange ideas.

>saw one of these on eBay for $1100 syruptokens
Ah shit

The obvious design space for a primaris tactical Squad is to have them have two weapons they can switch between at will and they choose between two shooting profiles every time you activate them. So they can all be autobolter plus plasma carbine or melta rifle plus stalker bolt rifle or bolt sniper plus plasma incinerator and you model them by attaching secondary weapons on their back (with push fit slots for easy swapping).

>>96329637
>Anon invents combiweapons

>>96329624
Focus on one army. It doesn't mean getting rid of your other stuff but get one to a point you're happy with it
Don't play KT it's boring as fuck

>>96329637
Whatever close enough welcome back Sternguard Veterans

How the heck are you supposed to paint the chocks and little bits on this fucking bike? You'd need a prehensile brush

>>96329637
Nah a primaris tactical squad will 100% just be n intercessor squad where 1 or 2 guys per 5 will be able to switch their bolt rifle for a plasma incinerator, pyreblaster or melta rifle. Nothing else. Which is better than boring intercessors, but it's still not a tactical squad and devastators will still get squatted. Soon there will only be faint traces of what space marines used to be.

>From above swoop the foul agents of Abaddon the Despoiler – the deadly Murderwing. Raptors and Warp Talons who display a particular aptitude for assassination, infiltration and asymmetric warfare, Murderwings are terrifying assault specialists borne upon roaring jump packs that revel in the thrill of the hunt and operate far more independently from the rest of their warband.

What the fuck? Since when are the Night Lords Abaddon's agents?

>>96329650
you don't need to paint stuff that will never be looked at

>>96329654
I'm gonna fucking cry anon

>>96329656
Maybe you don't need to. I do it because it increases my enjoyment of the hobby.

>>96329668
Then paint it in sub assembly you little bitch

play templars if you want weird mixed trash units

Would an opponent be upset if I proxied a Broodlord & space hulk genestealers as a patriarch & purestrains? Im assuming they are a similar size

>>96329655
>Murderwing
It's always a LARP with these guys.

>>96329678
If the opponent doesn't play Tyranids he will probably not even notice.

>>96329624
All this model needs is some relayering to neaten up the mess caused by applying a wash all over

>>96329654
>Soon there will only be faint traces of what space marines used to be.
Imagine a faction so loved that its entire playerbase moves to replacements that don't have even a faint trace of that faction in it.

I dont get this marine speak

>>96329678
No, they're practically the same thing.

>>96329693
>its entire playerbase moves to replacements that don't have even a faint trace of that faction in it.
The explanation I see is that what you consider that faction and what the player base does are very different things.

>>96329698
Imagine they remake eldar but instead of pointy triangle helmets they have squares, they change the name and design of every weapon, replace all their grav vehicles with wheeled trucks, squat aspect warriors and replace them with a couple of generic customizable units that only differ by the weapon they hold.

>>96329693
>>96329706
The easy explanation is that 90% of current space marine players are new players that started with 8th and only know primaris. Which makes the whole thing even more laughable as all those changes are irrelevant to new players anyways.

>>96329710
I kinda wish they did that but for demons

>>96329710
I would be ok with that if at the same time they made a completely separate game for old Eldar where 90% of the factions are different craftworlds with dozen of new model releases for old Eldar

>>96329721
Why do you think having to leave the entire game behind is a consolation for having your army butchered?

>>96329726
Because its good bait.

>>96329726
Because my army is not butchered in the new game which is basically the old one anyway except with rules more centered on Eldar, while also getting so much more attention in terms of releases it's ridiculous

>>96329734
How would you cope when the game dies within half a year due to lack of interest, and Eldar are once again shoved into the Retard Box for another 10 years?

>>96329673
You're a little bitch that doesn't paint their models you filthy little waacfag.