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I love medium mechs!!!!

>>96329864
What is everyone’s favorite medium mech?

Personally I am quite fond of the Carrion Crow, but there are a lot of good options out there fighting for my top spot.

>>96329876
HBStech made me a blackjack enjoyer.

>>96329911
Randall Bills said the reason that they included the Blackjack in the WD Assault Star forcepack was because it got so popular from being a starting mech in that game

>>96329876
Crab or Centurion.

>>96329876
Kintaro consistently performs for me. Especially the Streak 6 version

>>96329876
>>96329911
BLACKJACK!

>>96329924
But it's an entirely different -jack, the BJ-2!

>>96329876
Enforcer is just a good, solid, mech.

>>96329876
Gonna have to stick with my penis hawk.

Would you say it's more fun to play Battletech or to be right in internet arguments about Battletech?

>>96329876
Firestarter omni. It's pretty reliable, and fairly affordable for what you get.

>>96329971
Battletech is the perfect combination of realistic physics and ridiculous retarded engineering that it creates the perfect setting for breeding arguments about “realism”

>>96329984
No good configs though. Some all right and workable ones but nothing particularly standout

>>96329992
That's cool, question wasn't 'what's the best medium'

>>96329876
I've never regretted taking a Wolverine. So definitely that for the inner sphere. For clan mechs, the Nova, because 12 ER Medium Lasers is insane and I love it.

>Omnimechs are supposed to be legos but with mechs
>They have a bunch of different chassis for them, instead of one chassis per weight class for maximum capability and ease of production, since you can do basically anything with em.

>>96329876
you know it's gotta be your boy

>>96329971
"Fun"?

>>96329876
How basic am I for saying Stormcrow? I just its tiny little hands so much.

>>96330074
You can't change the core of an omnimech, its armor and engine are fixed. If you want a fast medium, that's gonna have to be a different omnimech than a slow medium.

>>96330074
Especially for the 3050 originals, you can clearly see reuse of limbs. Summoner and Hellbringer have the same legs, Mad Dog and Timber Wolf have the same arms, etc.

>>96330074
Engines being so hard to swap and the inclusion of fixed equipment means there's just stuff you can't do with only one chassis.

>>96330075
I can hear "This is Hard Case." in my mind.

>>96330081
>>96330087
Purely for balance purposes and nothing else. It's stupid that they cant change the engine because...reasons.

>>96330092
Because it's the single largest piece of equipment on the Mech and is deeply integrated into every system?

>>96330092
>it's stupid that the real life navy can't swap out the engine on this destroyer for reasons

>>96330095
>>96330096
Yet standard battlemechs have variants with different engines, curious.

>>96330092
You'd have better luck swapping out literally everything else. Both side torsos on a clamshell, all limbs pod mounted, head screwed on, etc. The fusion engine is at the very core of the mech, everything else is built around or into it.

>>96330096
>>96330095

>Can swap out the engine in standard mechs
>Can't in an omni because...reasons. Despite the fact that they are supposed to be highly modular

>>96330115
You can't change variant in 15 minutes using a rollaround toolbox. Swapping engines is a factory job even with a refit kit.

>>96330095
>>96330096
NTA but why couldn't the CT just be a pod like every other part of the mech?
>hmm I want my mad cat to carry heavier weapons today
>I'll settle for the XL300 CT pod instead of the XL375 CT pod

>>96330129
Because then your pods have nothing to attach to. It's like asking why your computer's motherboard can't be mounted in a USB plug.

>>96330129
Another thing, it's not like a heavier engine is bigger since you can fit even the largest engine in a 30 tonner if you strip everything from it. So, space isnt an issue.

>>96330129
The only parts of the mech that are pod mounted are weapons and equipment bays, and hands. Torsos, legs, arms, and heads are not pod mounted. Those are the things you install pod bays into so that the pods can be plugged into them.

The main benefit of omnimechs is being able to swap the configuration in the same time a regular mech could reload ammo. Where it takes literal days of work to change something on a regular mech, it takes minutes on an omnimech as long as it's pod mounted.

>>96330117
>>Can't in an omni because...reasons. Despite the fact that they are supposed to be highly modular

You can absolutely swap out the engine from an OmniMech. It just takes as much work as doing it for a non-Omni. Which is way more than swapping weapon pods.

>>96330173
It also un-omnis it and then it takes effort and time to change everything including the pods.

>>96330150
>Torsos, legs, arms, and heads are not pod mounted. Those are the things you install pod bays into so that the pods can be plugged into them.

It definitely looks like some of the weapons swaps are full arms and side torsos.

>>96329911
BJ-C is so fucking hard core. 2clpl and 2 cssrm4. fucking evil.

>>96330185

It's a shitty Mech that Clantech can't fix.

>>96329876
Griffin. I know wolverine is best medium, but i just fucking love the 'trooper mech that carries its rifle in both hands' schtick. there is the 3m too with its ginormous fuckoff missile pack, the 2n with its cheeky 'fucking die now cunt' srm packs and then you got the GRF C with 6/9/9 and its streak lrm 10. because fuck wasting ammo. or being on the ground. ever.

>>96329947
and BJ C. it can also be the WYSIWYG for the BJ C. an even more bullshit mech.

>>96330075
Hunchie is so fucking nice. I love the 3145 era one so much.

>>96330189
Hanse Davion fixed it early on. BJ-1DB
BJ-3 is also pretty great, and the BJ-4 is quite good as a light mech hunter.

>>96330180
This is because back in the very early Mechwarrior VR game days, they could only store so many 3d models. Since each body part was an independent 3d model (as they could be blown off) they managed to add extra variety by mixing and matching parts. This also works for miniatures, so we can build a Stormcrow B by sticking other arms on it.

But from a mechanics perspective, the internal structure and armor is the same, they're just changing weapons, actuators, and cosmetic elements.

>>96330150
Everyone I've spoken to before now seems to be under the impression that taking a damaged arm off an omnimech and putting a new one on is a trivial procedure.
Is that only because the games use "omnipod" and the limb that omnipod is for interchangeably?

>>96330189
heresy! blackjack is cute and iconic. it is a total vibe.

>>96330209
It's basically a video game abstraction. Anyway, I recommend you look into primary sources instead of listening to people, who are if course unreliable second or third hand sources. The rules for modifying OmniMech cinfigs are in Campaign Ops

>>96330215
Fuck i hate phone keyboards. Have a Ryoken

what is even the point of fixed equipment on omnimechs

>>96330236
Flavor

>>96330236
Gives them character. The Avatar is my favorite specifically because of how the Omni weapons array kept throwing a blue screen of death, so they gave it some fixed MLs as backup.

>>96330209
Every omnimech has an "empty" configuration with only the fixed equipment and some amount of tonnage left over, hopefully a lot. Whatever that leftover amount is is "pod space". Components can then become "pod mounted", which is fairly cheap and basically installs the universal rails and connections needed. Anything that is pod mounted can be installed into the empty pod space of an omnimech in a matter of minutes using almost no tools other than mech hands or a crane. Weapons and most equipment can be pod mounted, but fundamental structures like myomer and engines cannot. The one notable oddity is that hands are also pod mounted, and compete directly with large ballistic weapons for the same "slot" straight down the middle of the lower arm. You cannot mount a gauss rifle or AC/10 or 20 on the same arm as a hand.
All fundamental crit slot and tonnage rules apply. Replacement of damaged pods is as easy as replacement of undamaged pods.
If you change any fixed equipment, the mech reverts to a regular battlemech for the purposes of repair and customization until the fixed equipment is returned to its original configuration.

>tfw designing your own tank, putting it in the hull-down position, and putting all of the armor on the turret is somehow a better 'emplaced turret' than just using an actual turret
I mean I know tanks and turrets are supposed to suck but still pretty funny

>>96330264
>turret that dies instantly if someone sees it from the side

>>96330267
Oh? I would've assumed a hull-down entrenchment would've protected the sides as well but it's been a while since I looked at those rules.

>>96330254
>>96330255
so it's just making them worse for the sake of flavor?

>>96330281
That's like half the game in a nutshell

>>96330281
Yes. And that's fine, this isn't a competitive game.

>Tukayyid sourcebook allows comgaurd forces the UM-R63
Gee Focht, thanks...

>>96329876
Thats a difficult question to answer. I will say the Hunchback.

>>96330189
The BlowJob 3 says your a lil bitch.

Plastic imp ever?

>VTR-9B Victor Kataga
>This custom Victor was used by SLDF Major General Carlos Kataga. It upgrades the engine to a 320 XL, and the Chassis to Endo Steel. This allowed for a 30% increase in overall armor, which was rebalanced towards the front. The AC/20 was upgraded to a Gauss Rifle and the two Medium Lasers and SRM 4 were replaced with Large Pulse Lasers, two Medium Lasers, and a Beagle Active Probe. The heat sinks were upgraded to double strength. BV (2.0) - 1,991
Guess this is the closest to the SLDF Royal Victor

>>96330074
>Omnimechs are supposed to be legos but with mechs
That's not even the best use of omnimech designs. having a modular mech like that would make battlefield repairs incredibly quick in the field. You could rapidly take off the damaged sections and have them either brought to the ground so crews can work on them from every angle, or just plug in a replacement module and get the mech back into the fight while the damaged section is overhauled in the field or shipped back to depot. It's like the power pack in an Abrams tank. If it's broke, you easily just pull the whole thing out. Then you can work on it where it isn't crammed into the vehicle or jam a new unit in from your on-hand spares.

let us pour out one for power metal anon.
gone as fast as he came

may his melodies live on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLj43XmJZL8

>>96330185
Not in the correct eras though so it's unusable

>>96330453
3145 ride or die motherfucker.

>>96330475
I choose death.

>>96330481
Death it is then. BY BJ-C !!!

>>96330475
It's also a Dragoons only mech

>>96330530
OH NO! not a reason to go murder a bunch of fucking goons and steal their shit. whatever shall we do?

>>96330530
I promise that it did not take until 3150 for someone to decide to put clan tech on a blackjack

>>96330568
Yeah well the custom jobs of Operation Serpent/Bulldog arn't exactly widely available as it were.

>>96329876
uziel or argus

>>96330583
Argus is a heavy. Uziel is a very based pick.

>>96330583
You played Mechwarrior 4 a lot huh?

>>96330568
Sometimes it's really strange that during 460 years after the Scorpion first came out only 1 person in the galaxy thought of swapping out a PPC with LL, or it taking 260 years for the Grasshopper changing its LL&LRM with PPC, and stuffs

>>96330609
Did you not?

>>96330618
How do you think I recognized it?

I've got a MW4 nostalgia force with mechs that were in the roster.

>>96330612
It's because those were rare fucking mechs. Grasshoppers were absolute crab-tier unicorns until they resumed production in 3064.

>>96330612
>Scorpion first came out only 1 person in the galaxy thought of swapping out a PPC with LL
They better not have used the free tonnage for armor.

Looking at the other Super Dimension series, I think Macross was really the only one worth taking mechs from. I guess the eponymous Orguss is okay, but basically everything else from Orguss and Southern Cross has weird proportions or extra goofy shapes. Southern Cross has some okay PA(L) type armor at least.

>>96330667
They used that design from Orgus for the original Hornet in The Spider And The Wolf.

>>96330663
Here's a excerpt from the 4th succession war atlas on typical heavy lances by faction.

Don't give too much credit to TRO 3025 "everything is shit and all the factories are gone" stuff.

>>96330677
Everything IS shit and ALL the factories are gone. Except the LAM factories. Those still exist.

>>96330677
>Grashoppers have been over represented in "typical" postings and RAT's forever.

I know, but Grasshoppers are stupid fucking rare in fluff. Even the Davions talk about it when they get the new factory going, plus the Legacy Anthology that is literally all about Grasshoppers.

>>96330667
I still say we should get the Mospeada.

can anyone tell by just looking what finish this is? is this satin?

>>96330742
Looks like unsealed minis with a gloss wash over flat base.

>>96330677
>"everything is shit and all the factories are gone" That's only Battledroids.

>>96330750
It could even be a matte wash if it's too thick and the excess wasn't wicked away. Which it kinda looks like on some of the panels (the Guillotine's arm is especially noticeable).

>>96330814
Plus the Atlas chest and the Nightstar hood.

>>96330596
>>96330609
I'm dumb

>>96330742
looks like satin / semi gloss? idk

a a a awwoooo~

>>96330858
2 heavy ppc and an mml9. simple as.

>>96330434
You can't swap a different kind of engine in, though. Also, a Mech is not a tank.

>>96330150
>The only parts of the mech that are pod mounted are weapons and equipment bays, and hands. Torsos, legs, arms, and heads are not pod mounted. Those are the things you install pod bays into so that the pods can be plugged into them.
Well they should be. Omnitech would be revolutionary if instead of the pods being on the limbs, the limbs are the pods themselves.

MAD-4K
MAL-4R
HTM-30T
WHM-9K
DRG-12K

we Drac as Fuck.

>>96331029
>5 Machines
Clanners get fucked!

>>96331053
When One is fucking clanners dead, one uses a star.

>>96331060
That's disgusting Nova Cat talk. HONOR THE DRAGON!

>>96331070
by murdering the clanners at their own game.

Since the neurohelmet helps sync the pilot with the mech are tripods/quads less common because of their non-humanoid design?

Can any Battlemech defeat....THE ZAMS!?

>>96331126
Quads mostly just had some bad early examples that made the idea unpopular. Tripods require two pilots and it's not entirely clear how the leg guy thinks through it. Probably some fucked up one-armed gorilla shit.

>>96331126
Hedgehog my beloved

>>96331195
The two legs of the pilot are merged in tripods.

>>96331195
God I hate tripods. I still don't understand what the purpose was, aside from making something new and visually distinctive? But why would "centaurs", then?

>>96331274
War of The Worlds is cool.

>>96331274
Tripods have been apocryphal since the 80s. They brought them back for a clickytech über superheavy and then backfilled the non-superheavy ones.

Rare Star League era robot

>>96331383
Why don't quadvees have tankmech mode again?

>>96331413
A quad is a tankmech. Full mech node would be standing up.

>>96331383
Damn straight.

>>96331281
A tripod has been apocryphal since the 80s. One. That was created unofficially and nothing further came of it.

And I hate CGL's constant retconing.

You can say "we have tripods now, deal with it," but don't pretend that they were here all along.

>>96331489
In the next sourcebook we'll change the Marauder to a tripod just to spite you personally

What we actually need is tripod LAMs where they just start spinning their legs like rotors to fly.

>>96330609
>>96330618
>>96330624
I played a LOT of MW4M in my formative years, before I ever played the tabletop, and I'm just now realizing I never really used any of the original mechs.

>>96330580
I'd like to get some record sheets focused on those. I don't think we were ever told what Christifori did with the 2 tons he gained by using clan ERLLs, for example.

What is the most disappointing variant of a mech for you? Personally I'm going to say the PTR-4F. It drops 2x ERLL and 2x MPL to give it... 2x LRM-10 w/Art IV and 1 ton of ammo each. That is an absolute dogshit trade to give up that much raw firepower for 2 hexes of long range.

>>96332064
Heat sinks IIRC.

How do mechs like the Rifleman and Blackjack that don't have lower arm actuators fire into the left/right arcs? Actually, why don't actuators have weight?

>>96332178
Anon. They torso twist.

>>96332247
If you torso twist it's now your forward firing arc.

>>96332297
Mechs without lower arm actuators can't fire into their side arcs, per the rules. That's why they torso twist

R8 my scale 1. I hope to find someone someone running a campaign locally soon. Of course Hammerhead isn't going to work any time before Dark Age, but I like the lad.

>>96332178
thusly

What is your reaction to this Stalker?

>>96331274
All but one tripod with canon stats (there's also a SL-era scout tripod that's actually the first tripod mech ever statted, but the stats were from a non-canon magazine, and while the mech has since gotten some canon mentions it doesn't have an official record sheet) are superheavies, and for superheavies the tripod movement is actually very useful. They're so slow that having to spend MP to change facing means you pretty much couldn't move the turn you change facing, but since tripods can just walk and shoot into any direction it more or less negates that issue.

>>96330445
Rest in Peperoni.

>>96329832
>Protomech LAM
Man-made wonders within my comprehension.

It is Caturday. Post cats.

Post cats... or else.

>>96332403
Fun thing: XTRO RISC actually gave canon stats to the War Of The Tripods mechs. The Scout has a CERPPC with capacitor, the Battle has a hyper laser, and the Harvester with its cargo and lift hoists can serve as a mobile field base.

>>96332516
I wish I had a kot, but not even yo hyperspace distortion field shit can fix that

>>96330198
>an even more bullshit mech.
Dude I'm a Blackjack Fanatic and still think the BJ-2 is shit; Two ER Large Lasers already tax the Double Heat Sinks like a miniature Rifleman, so when are you suppose to switch to the Streak 2s?

>>96330322
I mean it's a decent upgrade on the -R60, and would you really want an -R60L for hunting Clanners?

>>96332311
those look great. love your mechs. Is that turbodork on the cockpit?

Suggestions on paint jobs? Was thinking either Multitarn because that will be easy with a dry sponge or doing them up like Night Lords, because I like them and I'll never give GW money for multiple reasons. Also have an IS Direct Fire lance due in the mail soon, so there'll be ten 'Mechs.

>>96332562
Yeah! I love how the Electrum paint gives the look of an anti-glare reflective coating, which sells the look of an arctic climate fit.

I especially love it on my Chameleons and my Dragon Fire thanks to the massive smooth and round cockpit space. I'll take a picture of the Dragon Fire specifically later to show it.

>>96332303
Torso twisting itself being a mechanic that you use to move your firing arc left or right sort of implies to some people that mechs just don't torso twist at all unless you tell them to.

>>96332516
What the hell am I looking at here? Some kind of Lovecraftian geometries?

>>96332608
cool! I was thinking about your colour scheme while doing >>96330858 last night. I'm using almost the same pallete just in a different way. hard to see it, but the darker base coat is a (dark) blue gray.

>>96332533
2 ERLL is 24 heat, you have 22 sink. just fire all the streaks and they only make heat if they hit. Don't be a bitch.

>>96332847
>2 ERLL is 24 heat, you have 22 sink.
So it's two into the Red STANDING STILL!
More if the Streaks hit, and you certainly aren't going to burn through that SRM ammo fast enough to not risk an Ammo Explosion.

>>96332872
Shut the fuck up, secondary.

>>96332915
Wrong thread. I'm sure you know your way back /40kg/ .

>>96333150
I printed the expanded heat scale and by Kerensky's nutsack I will use the expanded heat scale.

>>96333251
Fuck yeah use the whole heat gauge.

If you're only over heat by 2 for each round of stationary firing you only begin to start suffering gunnery penalties after 4 full rounds of double ERLL fire. That means you've dropped a potential 64 points of damage up to 19 hexes away (more conservatively, medium range is 14).

Now consider that the streak-2s once upon a time could load inferno; and you realize what you had was a 45 ton sniper mech that can dumpster fast-mover VTOLs and Vees that try to close on it and delete infantry. Even today you can use the streaks during cooldown rounds as you move to a new position or on the retreat.

Is it the greatest mech that has ever lived? Not by a long-shot, but the use-case is clear and viable and it is acceptably priced in BV and Cbills for purpose.

>>96329846 (OP)
>post a Blakist
hmm

Mech variant design challenge?

Take the Vulcan, circa 3020s. How would you modify it?

>>96333474
Replace AC-2/ammo and MG/ammo with a LL. I think that leaves a half ton left over. Add armor or a recon camera.

>>96333474
Take a FIre Vulcan and replace the remaining non-ML weapons with 3 more ML's for full discoball.

>>96333474
10.5 tons pod space if you remove all the guns.

So... PPC, 3 mediums, and a small laser?

>>96333566
Can you do that? Just turn a mech into an omni? Does the omni tech not take up any tonnage?

Wouls it be possible to make a scenario which the mechs fight inside a (huge) building? (I mran not solaris stadium, but a closed bunker or something); Or dungeon crawl with mechs?

In 3025 does each house have an iconic or notable mek in each weight class?
Like steiner has the zeus in assault and commando in light, what's their medium and heavy? Or the kuritans with dragon and jenner/panther, what are their medium and assault?

>>96333636
>Bro has never heard of a Brian's Castle
Get on that.

>>96333640
yeah

Steiner
>Light: Commando
>Medium: Hatchetman
>Heavy: Crusader
>Assault: Zeus

Davion
>Light: Valkyrie
>Medium: Enforcer
>Heavy: JagerMech
>Assault: Victor

Kurita
>Light: Panther
>Medium: Phoenix Hawk K
>Heavy: Dragon
>Assault: Atlas

Laio
>Light: Raven
>Medium: Vindicator
>Heavy: Cataphract
>Assault: Highlander

Marik
>Light: Spider
>Medium: Hermes II
>Heavy: Quickdraw
>Assault: Awesome

>>96333331
streaks never lost inferno ability. fuck rectons. half satan

>>96333570
You can't. What makes omnimechs omni is that all their internal data, power, and ammo connection points are perfectly standardized, as are their mounting frames/brackets/rails/whatever. Their gyros are designed to handle wild changes to mass such as taking a gauss rifle off of the right arm and putting a bunch of energy weapons on the left, and their targeting/tracking software is designed to integrate literally anything from any firing position without any software updates or installation needed. They can carry BA as a side effect since they have adaptable power connections everywhere for the BA to plug into and can handle shifting weights all over their torso thanks to the gyro.

Honestly, it should be possible to install an omni-slot in a regular mech. You'd have to replace their targeting system so that it can integrate with anything, but the gyro issue wouldn't matter since it would always be similar weight in the same place and you would only need the universal adaptors installed in that one place rather than running through the entire mech. But there's no allowance for it in the rules. Some mechs have modular weapon mounts that cut the time needed to replace a gun in half, but it's still not up to Omni standards.

>>96332303
I can't find that in TW, there's no mention of actuators in the 'firing arcs' section.

>>96332516
or else you'll paint more mechs?

/btg/ can't paint

>>96334525
Now just hold on a minute there, our friendly neighbourhood nazi can paint!

>>96334525
They will either improve or create the mech meme version of pic rel

Bushwhacker posted for medium mech enjoyment
>>96334014
The rules in AGOAC don't mention anything about that, they do however say if you don't have arm actuators you can spin your arms around backwards

>>96334525
No one can, unless you're winning awards or high CMON ratings. If you can't do something perfectly, you shouldn't do it at all.

>>96334579
Let's be real here, this: >>96332516 shit already looks like that.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kXh_s4-YB4
Any mechs that have a Chromehounds vibe?

>>96334590
>tfw the Bushwacker chassis was originally based on the Griffin
what a time to be alive

>>96334712
I thought that the Bushwacker was directly based on the Mad Dog?

>>96334775
They had to steal the Vulture blueprints to solve how to put the engine in it. It's a highly-modified Griffin chassis folded like a pretzel.

>>96334775
the design actually predated the clan invasion, and the original chassis was somehow derived from the Griffin. the mad dog saved the concept.

>>96333331
>If you're only over heat by 2 for each round of stationary firing you only begin to start suffering gunnery penalties after 4 full rounds of double ERLL fire. That means you've dropped a potential 64 points of damage up to 19 hexes away (more conservatively, medium range is 14).
IF you even have a shot!
The problem with sniping is your enemy is going to try to move up behind cover as much as possible.
Best case is you get a good vantage point from move on, and even then you're looking at a +2 for your mid-range, or +4 for long IF anything has even gotten into those ranges.
Still, it's not just being a 20 Heat Dual ER Large sniper that makes me hate the BJ-2, it's that this is coupled with being a Streak 2 boat.
Lasers don't have Minimum Range like the smaller Autocannons, so when are you going to USE those Streaks?
You are going to be into the Red with just the Lasers, and your Streaks will what, average a single one?!

>>96333742
>streaks never lost inferno ability.
And even with Infernos, it's a lot weight tied up in a secondary weapon system for a niche use and a potential automatic shutdown from the extra +2 Heat for every Inferno SRM that goes up.
At that point you can just go with twin SRM 4s, an extra ton of Inferno SRMs to add to your normal, AND still end up with an extra ton to play around with!

>>96334803
>>96334809
That's even stupider than the Timber Wolf and the Gargoyle sharing a progenitor (the Naga and the Gargoyle look similar-ish).

>>96334775
Either way I just have a thing for reverse joint legs and a ton of dakka instead of arms

You know when you think about it aren’t the Clans the best adapted society to the world of Battletech?
>Good at preserving resources in the feudal post-apocalyptic setting
>Efficient population usage in a setting that otherwise keeps people as feudal peasants
>Largely discards the inefficient and ineffective conventional vehicles in favor of better mechs
>Maintains the efficiency of autocracy while avoiding incest problems

Did the dragoons ever share the imp or did they keep it to themselves? I'd like one for my mercenaries, even if the cl*nners designed it

>>96335180
Take it as Isorla from tube babies.

Weapons balance.
Does anybody else feel that battletech weapons are really unbalanced?
>lasers
The lasers are honestly one of, if not the most broken weapons in setting.
>lasers rebalanced
>small laser
Damage 3, Heat 3, Crits 0.5 Tons 0.5
The small laser is unique among the laser family for the ability to be "doubled up" in a Pod or Mech bay, saving space and acting as "ablative armor" for it's companion laser. If this trait isn't used treat as original rules for crits. In addition roll 2d6 for damage against infantry.
>medium laser
5 damage, 5 heat, Crits 1.0 Tons 1.0
>large laser
Damage 8, Heat 8 Tons 4, crits 2.0
>pulse lasers
They lose the stupid fucking accuracy bonus and actually do what they're supposed to do in lore, penetrate armor better.
>all pulse lasers
Roll for TAC, and pulse lasers suffer no damage reduction from reflective armor. There's a reason why PL's became LosTech.
>ER Lasers
No longer suffer from increased heat. Again there is a reason why they became LosTech. For every other trait copy the revised lasers.
>Autocannons
Holy fuck Autocannons suffer I'd need a whole thread.

>>96335105
>If you're good at killing someone in 1 vs. 1 while in robot, then you must be also good at social skills, managements, army tactics and strategy, leadership, etc as well

>>96335105
No.

>>96335241
Wow! You are the first person to have this thought in the 39 year history of this game! Congratulations!

>>96335252
>try to put effort into it
>REEEEEEEEEEE
Yeah this is why the game is full of gremlins.

>>96335241
This is not a competitive game. Game balance is not desirable.

>>96335248
Being good at killing someone in a robot at least puts a baseline at having SOME skill in something which is more than any other faction has

>>96335277
Lmao.

>>96335265
>game balance is not desirable
>game leads into 2 or 3 optimized designs with everything else flat out ignored
Totally riveting gameplay.

>>96335241
Your ideas suck and you're dumb. Apply yourself.

>>96335295
Shut up child, go into the corner.

>>96335294
You got it backwards. There are one or two optimized designs with limited access and existence in the time line. Do you actually play?

Thoughts on the war dog?

>>96335315
>limited access
Bruh.

>>96335315
>thinks that people play stock mechs
Holy fuck how are you this dumb.

>>96335344
Thank you for letting us know you don't play.

>>96335351
Nobody plays stock mechs, and even CGL stopped competitive play with them. YOU dont play.

>>96335379
LMAO. Everyone plays customs vs customs. What a fucking joke.

>>96335398
Which is why the game needs new fucking rules, like every other TTWG in fucking existence. Seethe more.

>check btg
>it's this again
>I need a vacation

haha butte hold

>>96335446
>it's the fucking tranny again
Canada was a mistake.

>>96335412
Jesus christ this retard.

>>96332532
Cute!
>>96334679
Let's be real here, you're just always looking for something to be angry about.

>>96335664
>nooooooo battletech is perfect-
>dosen't know about FASAnomics or FASAscale
Why the fuck are zoomers so fucking dumb? Boomers had lead and drugs to deal with and yet are smarter than zoomers.

>>96335700
I'm going to keep poking you to see what other stupidity you will post.

>>96335709
>stupidity
>nah this game is perfect and dosen't need change
>goes on to ignore everything past 3050
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>96335290
At the very least it ensures your king isn't an invalid.

>>96335717
Uh huh. What else you got.

>>96335745
>I ignore nearly 90% of the mech designs!
>I ignore nearly 70% of the lore!
>I only play 10% of the total game!
>lance on lance is king!
>BV is the best system ever!
There's no saving you.

Are there any good pre textured hex bases out there? I have lots of basing material but it’s all for 28mm so it looks off

>>96335776
Neat any more?

>>96335778
Plenty of 3D models. But seriously, go to a Hobby Lobby or Hobbytown if you're in the US and raid their model railroad section. They got shit tons of stuff for cheap that's made for mech scale.

>>96335788
>dosen't refute anything
Yeah that's what I thought.

>>96335814
I accept your concession.

>>96335819
>you're a faggot
>yes I am
>you like to suck dick
>yes I do
>ok bye
>haha I win
Do you you know how debate works?

Do people generally avoid the Cyclops? It looks like a great command mech but I always hear it get shit from people that think every mech needs to be on the frontlines all day

>>96335857
>Do you you know how debate works?
You certainly don't.

>>96335884
It's very lightly armored, it would be skinny even for Heavy mechs never mind Assault. For a command mech who is expected to be explicitly targeted as a priority target a lack of armor is the greatest sin a mech could commit.

>>96335895
>continues
Yeah you are flat out retarded and I won't be replying to you anymore as it's a waste of time.

>>96335916
Thank you for conceding with grace.

>>96335884
There's a few good sniper variants, but yeah the Cyclops doesn't really belong at the front.

>>96335928
You lost. Cry more.

Is Sarna not updated or is it true that, to this day, nobody has canonically been identified as the causer of the HPG blackout?

It has to be Sarna being out of doubt, just no way that's never been published.

>>96335954
What happened to not replying anymore?

>>96335963
Bryan Young, who wrote about fixing the Blackout said in AMA that he can't explicitly write about it, only in-setting characters' speculations are ok.
In the book the MC thinks it couldn't have been Stone, at least

>>96335963
There's no 100% canon identification and several competing theories.

>>96334841
Well I'm glad you asked, though somewhat diminished without the infernos, what you can do with the streaks is slam when your heat is getting too high. If they don't hit, they don't fire and if they don't fire, they don't generate any heat. Firing one ERLL and the streaks is heat neutral standing and you can scale back further if you're moving and/or jumping.Scaleability in heat goes both ways.

It's a goofy lad, but I find the difference endearing.

>>96335963
Every 10 millennia the hyperspace squids mating season begins. This mating songs of the males disrupts certain types of hyperpulse generators. Once mating season ends communications will be restored.

How valuable are jump jets to you?

>>96336025
I think about 10000 c bills each.

>>96336025
pic related

>>96336025
Are there any canon jump atlases?

>>96336048
Is that the proper plural form? Atlai? Someone explain this insanity.

>>96336048
As far as I know just the K3 in 3083

>>96335963
>>96335981

It literally was Stone's plan. He lied to Tucker about triggering it, but he was the one who put it in place as an RotS weapon.

>>96336058
When you talk about geographical Atlases, that's correct. Since it is a proper name here, either could be correct.

>>96336025
>Let's me retain full movement when riding the heat curve like a legend
>Let's me get through heavy terrain with little issue
>Let's me have any facing when landing for free

Top tier. A gentleman always prefers them, especially on mediums.

>>96335977
When you keep replying?

>>96336115
Good to know you don't feel compelled to do what you say you will.

>>96335981
>>96335998
>>96336075
New question: why is CGL against detailing the Blackout? To avoid making anyone the baddest of bad guys?

It was one of the biggest disasters in BT history, there's no way IC organizations wouldn't do anything to find out responsibility. Plus Sarna days there were even soldiers involved in destroying some HPGs, and somebody hired them

>>96336135
Yeah, Stoner falseflag teams, just like under Fortress. They sent some dudes to kill a whole fucking Marik world just to start a border war in Surrender Your Dreams.

My guess is the man who pulled the trigger was Paladin McKinnon as he was one of the only ones from the old Kittery concentration camp days, plus he ran a lot of the Ghost Knight stuff, PLUS Stone canned his ass when he woke up.

>>96336135
VSD found out the true culprits and Stoner special forces tried to assassinate him. He died from a heart-attack instead, but tells you it was the Stoners. Which one is the question.

>>96336147
Unless that Paladin was a very elite pilot I feel like I could roll one fucking Atlas with that Fulton lance.

Whats this cryo sleep shit?

>>96335241
The easiest way to balance lasers is to not have them count towards PSRs, just like in HBS BT.

>>96336174
I hate that they're fixing it. The blackout makes the setting better for wargames because it leads to individual small units mattering more.

>>96336181
Devlin Stone went into cryogenic storage for decades before being awoken a bit before the Clans breached the Wall. The cryo was debilitating, leaving him crippled and eventually bedridden before his death, hence why it doesn't normally get used

>>96336181
When Stone stepped down as Exarch in 3130, he froze himself in cryo (an old SL tech thing that's been in the fluff forever). Tucker hunts him down like a detective in Bonfire of Worlds + ER:3145 and wakes him up.

Fun fact. Sun Tzu Liao is also frozen in cryo on the planet Liao and has been since the Capellan Crusades.

Takashi Kurita didn't die in his sleep.

Myndo Waterly didn't retire to Atreus.

Rasalhague never won a war of independence.

News at 11.

>>96336173
They conveniently came at him piecemeal because reasons. Fuck Stoners.

He was an elite pilot though, son of the man that ran the Davion Fox's Teeth special ops company.

>>96336198
So when do they reveal that Kamea Arano was frozen in the 3030s and bring her back to rule a reborn Aurigan Coalition in 3153?

>>96336196
>the Clans breached the Wall.
No, the dumb motherfucker INVITED them in. God, ilClan is such shit writing.

>>96336198
Next thing you'll tell me is you know who killed Gray Noton.

Wait what even happens in ilclan? My knowledge of the BT metaplot drops off steeply after the clan invasion

>>96336196
>>96336198
>he froze himself in cryo (an old SL tech thing that's been in the fluff forever)
So instead of yet another star league cache could I do failsafe force for a contingency that never triggered and was lost to memory after the amaris coup is found in cryo by the protagonist. Wait. Thats just yet another star league cache with extra steps. Well I stand by it.

>>96336224
Stone invites clans into the Fortress around Terra because he thinks he'll make them his friends. They kick his ass instead. Clan Wolf rules over everything Stoner. Tells other clans to submit. Most ignore him but he starts a Bear civil war over it. Sea Foxes betray the Mariks but we all knew that was coming. Everything else is basically just more dark age plot.

>>96336224
The main plot feature is the Wolves taking Terra and the aftermath of that. Other than that, the Kuritans and Davions are at it again, the Capellans are invading the former Republic(now Wolf territory), and the Free Worlds League are invading the Wolf Empire. The Lyrans are fracturing into a bunch of micro states.

>>96334857
why

>>96336135
The stoners are definitively villains. Ghost knights are literally as bad as Blakists. They've set off nukes and bioweapon false flags just to cause foreign wars and they use "relocation" for genocidal purposes to destroy "problematic" cultures. Some of the paladins are clueless, but the spec op guys and leadership deserve to be pushed out an airlock.

>>96336227
>Find a bunch of Amaris troops frozen when they lose the war and awaken them to be your mercenary company.

Cool. Pun-intended.

>>96336237
>Stone invites clans into the Fortress around Terra because he thinks he would only get one clan and could curbstomp its dick into the dirt. However Alaric Steiner Davion Steiner Davion Ward read a wiki article on logistics and listened to his genemother and brought a friend to the Guerra on Terra.
Ftfy

>>96336198
>Rasalhague never won a war of independence
I don't get this part

>>96336240
>The Lyrans are fracturing into a bunch of micro states.
As a Lyran fan I have never been happier. I pray every day that they don't kill all those little states off and they do more with Brewer being a cunt.

>>96336244
Yeah, at one point I wanted to do a lance of Knights of The Sphere for aesthetics. Then I read the lore and learned what the Republic actually does. Definitely soured me on them.

>>96336245
I was thinking SL troops but this works too. I guess maybe this is how you could get crypto blakists showing up too.

>>96336253
Considering they just put out a book with a brand new set of campaign rules just for that region, it's probably going to stick around for a while.

>>96336250
Teddy literally gave them independence as a secret Comstar deal for Rosebud, then spent the next year killing all his uncle's troops (The Rasselhague Regulars) for refusing to leave their home. Hogs did shit on their own other than get fucked by some mercs looking to make a buck.

It's like the pullout from Afghanistan in terms of the Taliban just walking in an taking over.

>>96336253
Brewer has ended up in control of the Vesper Marches and Defiance Industries has been nationalized.

>>96336259
>>96336227
Thing is cryo is super debilitating on the body, almost as bad as aging, so anyone who survived it wouldn't be much of a soldier.

>>96336237
>>96336240
>Wolves winning again
I hate battletech so godamn much

>This was at one point going to be the cover art for the new Battletech era source book Il Clan. As it stands now, the scene depicted is no longer canon, so the art lays unused.
>In this scene, Alaric Ward has taken control of Terra. Devlin Stone challenges Alaric to a trial of position for the right to sit as an advisor to the new Il Khan. Surrounded by a circle of equals, both face off in a Savage Wolf and Atlas II, with Devlin barely eking out a win in the trial.
>After years of delays and revisions CGL decided to go a different direction with things. And the rest is history.
This might actually have been better

>>96336250
some anons like to write their own canon

>>96336244
Holy fucking based. I thought the ROTS was gay. I was so very very wrong. Is this stuff in novels or sourcebooks?

>>96336253
>Brewer being a cunt.

If you read Fire at Will, you can see the Archons have been trying to destroy him since the beginning and he's just gotten more bitter as more shit has happened.

>>96336271
I dreamt it.

>>96336265
>Thing is cryo is super debilitating on the body, almost as bad as aging, so anyone who survived it wouldn't be much of a soldier.
Well that kills this idea dead. Would have been super neat to have soldiers show up in a completely different time doing the whole fish out of water thing.

>>96336270
Read Heir to the Dragon, anon.

>>96336271
Mostly novels, I think.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Kwamashu_Incident

>>96336240
>>96336253

I miss the old Lyran Commonwealth

>>96336278
Your source is acceptable.

>>96336271
Basically everything after Fortress in the novels. The Stoners are absolute scum. Surrender Your Dreams is where all the real warcrimey shit really starts.

>>96336275
Guess I'll read it.
>>96336288
I needed some reading material anyway.
>>96336293
>Surrender Your Dreams is where all the real warcrimey shit really starts.
Sounds like a good place to start.

>>96336270
Yeah if they read Heir to the Dragon they'd see the Hogs were fighting for years and had to crush the Ronin to gain independence. Hell, Brush Wars shows the DCMS barely helped.

>>96336264
I mean the other entries are 'the truth is different from what's been publically/officially announced in setting' but the hogs actually did not won its independence on their own and it's all thanks to Teddy so I'm confused

>>96336267
Why? What's wrong with the Wolves winning?

>>96336267
So far the plot has mostly been about the Wolves barely holding it together and trying to avoid ending up actually subservient to the Sea Foxes and Snow Ravens

>>96336307
The exact nature of the Rosebud deal is not known in canon, like second part where Skye was supposed to break away at the same time.

>>96336321
If they win terra only to become slaves to the clans that sat it out I will be content. I still want the entire IS enslaved by the clans so we can get some Sparticus action, but I get the feeling they dropped that approach.

>>96336331
I mean from an Inner Sphere POV having the clans rule over you really isn't worse than having the houses rule over you

>>96336280
It's called Living Legends

>>96336346
Until they start enforcing their caste system and killing anyone who doesn't like having their family broken up and/or enjoys the benefits of preventative medicine.

>>96336346
Thats not entirely true depending on the clan or the house I guess. I just really liked the idea of ID freebirth pit slaves rising up in their shitmechs and crushing front line clusters. Well until they don't. Would be a sweet novel.

>>96336347
I get where you are coming from, but that ones a misjump?

>>96336312
When do they not?

>>96329876
Bushwacker is my favourite mech in general. I also am very fond of Crabs, Centurions, Chameleons, Enforcers and Phoenix hawks. I have a soft spot for Clints, Sentinels and Whitworths, they're trying their best.

I don't like Blackjack, Chimeras, Hunchbacks, Griffins, Shadow Cats, Shadow Hawks, and Starslayers. Not racis, just don' like 'em. Hell, most of them aren't bad mechs at all, just not the mechs for me.

>>96336352
>Until they start enforcing their caste system
Which is worse than being a feudal peasant?

>>96336331
Right now a big question is what they're going to do about the Ravens, because Alaric sent them to take down the cappies and they orbitally bombarded a capital city with everyone still in it. What exactly would the Wolves do if the Ravens decided to point one of those warships at wherever Alaric happens to be? Ask nicely for them to not fire?

>>96336367
This man likes going 6/9/6. Also fuck you the Starslayer is an absolute gem.

>>96336358
I fucking hate having the clans win when they have been the great evil to defeat for a hundred years. Go play out in the periphery if you want bloodpits. Hell, actually the Blakists did it best when they ran Solaris VII.

>>96336368
I'd assume so

>>96336376
>I fucking hate having the clans win when they have been the great evil to defeat for a hundred years.
You know if they win it all they wont get to keep it. Nobody does.

>>96336368
Feudal peasants with the ability to go back to school or start a family or move away or get screened for cancer or have a tumor removed before it becomes malignant. Clan civilians can and are killed at any time for any reason a warrior sees fit to kill them for. They aren't allowed private property or any meaningful choice of work. Preventative medicine is not "wasted" on them and curative medicine is right out. The average lifespan of non-scientist clanners is almost half that of any random IS civilian.

>>96336383
Destroying the Great Houses that have lasted almost as long as interstellar travel only to have some shit new factions after a rebellion is a fucking terrible trade. The clans being an inferior culture that gets them wrecked was supposed to be the point, that they couldn't survive contact with the IS. But the devs just keep rolling back and retconning to try to make them appear softer and less alien.

>>96336369
Did the wolves run out of warships? My first guess is Alaric Steiner-Davion Steiner-Davion Ward. First Lord of the Star League. Archon of the Lyran Commonwealth. Ilkhan. Would channel his gene mother Katrina and engage in political chicanery that keeps his opponents from doing the obvious thing and slapping his shit. Because fiat and wolves always win.

>>96336369
He's sitting smack dab in the middle of Fortress so they're gonna misjump and die, just like the last heir to the Combine did in one of their last warships.

>>96336394
>Destroying the Great Houses
My read from the blurb was the houses arnt destroyed but forced into the third league against their will. No idea how they are governed and kept from rebelling. Your complaints about the clans being kept alive after they should have died/assimilated won't get any argument from me.

>>96336408
If they have to jump in and aren't there for council business or to help him fight the belters who are still ready to fight back. The Naval Laser is coming from inside the house.

>>96336408
Surely they have to shut that down. They can't possibly have enough K-F torpedoes to keep it runing.

>>96336412
They 100% are destroyed but some people from their lineages like that one Marik dude survive and are fighting in the pits.

>>96336419
You only have to burn one when somebody actually tries to breach. Plus you got the Titan yards cranking out tons of new jump cores every year.

>>96336421
Oh. Thats very gay then. You can't really bring the houses back after a century and change of not existing.

>>96336386
>or move away
Well you can move within your planet maybe, but not away from it.

>>96336426
>Plus you got the Titan yards cranking out tons of new jump cores every year.
Did this stuff stop being lostech or something?

>>96336429
Getting on a jumpship is about as expensive as transatlantic travel was in the late 1800s. The poorest people can scrape up enough for a once in a lifetime fuckoff ticket.

>>96336432
Terra is the best shipyard in the known universe. Even the Jihad didn't destroy that.

>>96336421
I don't think they are, what with the "auditor clusters" failing to find all the excess production they're not supposed to have. The league is trying to be a star league, and that means being an economic bully over member states. You need member states for that.

>>96336432
Jump Cores were never actually lostech, the fear of that happening was what lead to jumpships being classed as noncombatants during the succwars

>>96336432
Jump cores have never been lostech. The underlying science behind them became obscure and nobody knew enough about it in practical terms to design new ones until after Helm, but they never stopped making the existing designs.

>>96336445
I could of swore I read blurbs about jumpships and droppers being giving fuckoff status because it was hard enough to keep interstellar travel going as it was and the technology to build new factories/shipyards had been lost. Basically the same kind of story the mechs had just with a lot less production facilities existing.

>>96336426
The Titan Yards actually became deadlocked, at least for a while. The belters are not cooperative and the clanners are dumb enough to try and force that issue. Nobody except Amaris has ever tried to force that issue before, and it backfired super hard on him since it caused them to start leaking everything to Kerensky and letting the SLDF hide in the belt.

>>96333723
>Quickdraw
>Not Orion

>>96335798
What scale works best for Battletech?

>>96336483
Railroad-wise? Z-scale. But a bunch of the terrain table stuff is scale independent.

>>96336457
When each major state only produces on average 15 new jumpships a year and you need a couple thousand to keep your worlds alive, yeah you tell people not to shoot at them.

>>96333723
>Phoenix Hawk K
>not Hunchback

>>96336520
This is my original point. With production so low and the need for jumpships so high how can Terra afford to ship cores to the wall instead of building ships with them?

>>96330674
Ogrus had nothing to do with the comic and didn't show up in it

Are the Raven and the Cataphract as hard to maintain outside of Liao space as the Vindicator?

>>96336544
Maybe it was the Blackthorne comics but it was in one of them.

>>96336542
The need for jump cores was why the Republic abandoned everything outside Prefecture Terra and eventually everything outside the Sol system itself.

>>96335241
>Autocannons
>Holy fuck Autocannons suffer I'd need a whole thread.
Completely correct. Autocannons being absolute garbage needs to be officially fixed, not just by optionally using the tacops rules. People will cry "but it's not supposed to be balanced! muh never changing rules!", but that almost any mech that's described as being reliable and efficient and capable of doing its job but it absolutely can't if it's supposed to use autocannons for that is a total fuck up. Autocannons aren't supposed to be a pointless downgrade ineffective boondoggle that doesn't do so good like half the shit in the game, but they are.

Machineguns as well. Just pull your pants up and remove machinegun ammo explosions already, at the very least. It was always stupid.

>>96336542
Terran production isn't low. You have to remember, it is the one untouched magical place from Comstar safeguarding it through all the succession wars. Yes, even the Blakists had enough cores to blow on hyperspace missiles, one way jumps and everything else. Stone had 50 years of peace to stockpile shit.

Honestly, the whole "The Fortress can't last." is a retcon. The writers couldn't come up with a good way to not break the setting forever so they decided it's untenable. When Levin first puts it up in 3135 in the novel Fortress Republic, he's talking about how he hopes at least his grandkids can see the outside. The original version never had a time limit or resource limit.

The original and probably more realistic theory was that Fortress was a KF emergence wave and SHPG network that would blast ships out of the sky before they emerged. You didn't need cores at all. An SHPG signal warps the space around the destination anyway. But that has no use limit, so they had to cuck out to something else.

You guys really need to learn that "retcon" does not mean "doesn't meet my preconceptions"

>>96335884
its ambush commander and it can reposition for the next ambush to command with its walk four

>>96336620
Retcon is changing what things were against what they were said to be. A bunch of the Stoner 3120 designs are a good example of this. We're told that Stoners are in maximum downgrade with the final peace after the Capellan Crusades to the point where they're downteching a lot of their remaining forces to grogtech or 3050's tech for ease of maintenance for an expected long time without combat.

Then we're suddenly told "Haha no, we were deploying a whole shit ton of new hyper-advanced designs publicly during that time!"

Something like that would make sense after 3135, but no, throw it into the deepest lull against all previous material. I'm still waiting for them to go full retard and fill the 2900's with new IS mech designs instead of it being the tank century and the worst time of the 3rd War.

>>96336549
No, the Vindicator's problems are entirely deliberate since they're given out as a double-edged payment/reward. Cataphracts are made by adapting common designs in the first place and apparently Ravens are pretty conventional underneath their e-war equipment.

>>96336268
I really don't see how the spectators of a circle of equals don't get constantly lit the fuck up by the contestants.

>>96336346
Being an average person and having the clans rule over you actively brings your expected lifespan down to that of some of the most impoverished nightmare shitholes on 21st century terra.

>>96336839
Only for the dark caste.

>>96336843
Lowest at birth life expectancy on earth is nigeria at 54, the two next worst are 55 and 57.
Clanner quality of life is unthinkably bad.

>>96336856
I would not have had nigeria pegged as the lowest life expectancy, but god damn every time I think the clans are bad they somehow get worse.

Are there world that run gladatorial games other than Solaris VII?

>>96337136
Plenty, although none of them are so prestigious and some are downright dangerous in a "warehouse basement fight gambling ring" kind of way. There are also worlds with other kinds of mech competitions, like Noisel, which hosts mech sports like mech sized baseball, and mech racing is big enough that there's an underground street racing scene with souped up customs.

>>96337176
>and some are downright dangerous in a "warehouse basement fight gambling ring" kind of way.
Oh no, how horrible. Where can I learn more?

>>96337188
I think Antallos is the one with the most info, its seedy arena was featured in an old RPG adventure.

>>96337192
Excellent. Off to Sarna I go.

>>96337192
That's also the arena where our champ, Crusading Crael, reigned until some chump with fiat power deposed him.

>>96337176
Catch me if you can

>>96337332
Is there a maximum speed a mech can move before it gets too "unrealistic?"

>>96337387
This is a setting where mechs can transform into planes and fuck off into space. Temper your expectations on realism.

>>96337387
I can buy into extremely fast speeds, but you really should be making skid checks beyond a certain point.
I'd also like ground thrusters, but we can't have everything, can we?

>>96337395
True. Counterpoint: I don't like that.

>>96336018
>Scaleability in heat goes both ways.
While I can appreciate Heat Scalability, the problem is still the Streak Ammo liability!
If a Streak doesn't lock, it doesn't fire, so that's another two points of Damage or Heat you aren't shedding from your Ammo Bomb.
As a classic Blackjack Appreciator, I've learned that it's often good to just waste the ammo when a single ton of AC/2 gives you 45 shots, and Streak SRMs get twelve and a half full SALVOS if you go with 4-2s or 2-4s.
That's 50 or 25 LOCKS, so even if you did get them every turn it'd be long into a match by the time you started to run dry.
Also, Streaks apparently aren't allowed Inferno in Mega Mek...

>>96336025
>>96336043
Pretty much how it always seems to go.

>>96337489
Under current rules, streaks aren't allowed inferno period.
It's less a streak issue, more a two pack issue. Odds are you aren't burning through a ton of SRM2 ammo in your average game, especially on a mech that likes to stay outside of SRM range in the first place.
People worry too much about ammo explosions anyways. There's already a dozen ways to mission kill a mech, one more doesn't make that much of a difference, don't be a pussy.

What happens to Elementals if they're on an enemy mech and it leaves the map?

>>96337556
They die.

>>96337518
Even with twin SRM 4s you've got 12.5 salvos...
But really, it's that the ER Large Lasers overlap SRMs entire range, meaning your usually better off taking the chance with the second ERLL and jumping behind cover to cool off.

Honestly I was REALLY tempted to do what I did in MWO and just replace the SRMs with LRM 5s.

>>96336620
Retcon is "any change I don't like". And that's sufficient.

>>96337136
There's an entire article on this topic in Shrapnel 17

>>96337619
Not canon, so nobody cares

>>96337556
taken as bondsmen

>>96336190
You'd still have shockwaves from the armor being blown off.

>>96337556
They stay on it until it comes back. If there's no chance of it coming back they're out of the game.

I once had a squad of IS Standards swarm a Berserker and tear off its ax arm. It decided to run for a pond to wash them off in, but before it got there they double critted it's engine and put it into forced withdrawal, so they rode it as it ran away.

>>96337742
Novel descriptions depict it as the armor relatively slowly melting off, not exploding. This depiction is also used as the basis of laser damage in art and video games.

>>96337781
>melting off
Lasers that powerful wouldn't "melt" armor it would vaporize it. You'd get a localized plasma bubble at the point of impact (which diffuses the power of the laser which is why pulse lasers exist) and the shockwave of said vaporized armor would cause pilots to stumble.

>>96337810
>Lasers that powerful wouldn't "melt" armor
They do in BT.

>>96337810
>>96337817
P.S. I also don't really have the time or inclination to debate someone's headcanon right now so here's an excerpt.

>>96336368
demonstrably yes, it's literally an average 40% drop in lifespan, which is below khmer rouge tier

>>96337742
>>96337781
IIRC the official explanation for the PSRs is the sudden change in balance from the loss of armor, not anything to do with impact.

Also, the armor evaporates under the lasers. That's what ablative means.

>>96336368
>Which is worse than being a feudal peasant?
Yes. Actually, being in the clan system is worse than being a chinaman during the fucking Great Leap Forward, or a russian serf in the 17th century, and that is saying a whole fucking lot

>>96336268
Nah
Alaric losing against Stone AI in simulator and forever being haunted by his mom and Stone's voices is still pretty neat

>>96336856
>>96336917
and the clans DON'T EVEN HAVE AIDS (though realistically they should be ground zero for the most astounding treatment-resistant STDs known to man) dragging those numbers down

>>96337723
give them back >:(

>>96337949
No, they are now his harem.

>>96337935
The Clans have great medical technology.

...Of course, they don't waste it on Laborers. I bet that the lower castes would keep Inner Sphere STD researchers employed for centuries.

>>96336267
Wolf Steiner-Davion winning.

Does anyone, including Alaric himself, knows of Vic being his dad?

>>96338010
Alaric S-D-S-D does in fact know about his parentage, but I don't believe anyone else does

>>96336244
the republic is literally just the IRL globohomo.

>>96338059
I wonder if Vlad knew he'd been cucked by VSD?

>>96336244
Given that Stone was a Blakist sleeper agent possibly originally intended to be, yes, a Steiner-Davion, isn't the entire Republic the scheme of some Blakist faction or another? And given that ComStar has gone at least partially back to robes and prayer, I feel like the Republic was always just a giant shell for hiding the Word of Blake.

>>96337602
the IS mech has 4 ssrm2.

the 3145 mech has 2clpl and 2cssrm4

>>96338351
AKA the globohomo.

is there a lore explanation for why mechs don't take heat damage when hit by lasers?

>>96339380
they do for sure in the books, the highest canon

>>96339380
For the same reason there is not an appreciable heat transfer from being shot by large high-explosive rounds or missiles. Because it doesn't matter how hot the bits of your mech are when those bits are flying through the air off of it.

>>96339434
Source?

>>96339380
Because the armor vaporizes or melts and takes the heat with it. It's the same process that causes evaporating water off an object's surface to cool it.

>>96339447
read them.

>>96337416
Baste and dompilled

>>96337428
I mean, that’s like, the whole point of the setting. There’s not a single mech in the whole setting that isn’t designed to be cool instead of make sense from an engineering perspective.

>>96337416
I recall someone told me about an obscure piece of tech like that, skidding jets or something.

>>96337753
>so they rode it as it ran away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTaSJk0n_Y

>>96338380
>the 3145 mech has 2clpl and 2cssrm4
But that's Clan Tech, it makes me feel dirty...

>>96338351
Wait. Stone is a Steiner-Davion? So everyone is a Steinerr-Davion. Protags. Antags. It's S-D all the way up and down? Jesus fucking christ Hanse.

>>96340172
No, Stone isn't. He was going to be originally, but when they did a little "hah, you'll never guess who this guy really is!" over on the OF someone called it almost immediately and it put them off so hard they changed their plans and made him a nobody.

Average BT fan when they see an Urbanmech

>>96340308
It's our own damn fault. We did this.

>>96332566
It pisses me off how yay to fucking big the Exterminator mini is. Fucking retards STILL can’t get scale right despite using software to create the sculpt. No quality control, still? Really? Seriously, no review like, this Exterminator sculpt is pretty damn good, but it’s a bit big. Reduce it a bit before we go to final molds/production. Is that so fucking difficult?

>>96340375
>Is that so fucking difficult?
Doesn't matter you'll buy it anyway just like every other low quality official product

>>96333723
Orion us THE iconic heavy mech for House Marik you pleb.

>>96340393
Have not, will not.

>>96340308
total urbie death

>>96340329
I will never be sorry for witnessing Urbann Lagann happen here live.

Man, I wish the artists still hung out here. Fuck CGL for telling staff to dissociate with us. We're great rule testers, fact checkers and meme makers even if we are unhinged trash.

>>96340471
>Fuck CGL for telling staff to dissociate with us.
Is that why I havent seen a Xotl post in a long time?

>>96340536
He's one of the few that still comes and says hi. A lot of them still super occasionally drop in for a look, even if Anonymous. Artists were all told to clear off like 2016. Fucking sucked. You know how much better Shimmy's art was when we could razz him about stuff in his streams?

>>96329876
Looks-wise? Wraith and Huntsman
On the TT (AS)? Trebuchet and Vapor Eagle
On MWO? Crab and Stormcrow

>Hatchet weighs 0 ton
>Hatchet uses Punch table
which one will make it more balanced/viable?

Would a Devastator fit into a Lyran or Davion company better?

>>96340750
Depends on the year. The original factory and most production was sent to the clan front (i.e. Steiner). The Davions make their own production for themselves from the Jihad forward.

Of course we're ignoring the maximum tard of the DVS-1 retcon where instead of a couple failed prototypes like the MAC book said, they stationed enough on the border for the Taurians to kill and salvage over a regiment of them. You know, from the "unofficially take everything and multiply the numbers by 10 because we're going to retcon the numbers soon" era. God, I wish the fuckers in the OF that pushed that would have dropped dead before that ball got rolling.

>>96340737
Its a kick where you dont make a fall down check for missing. It is already viable.

>>96339562
I've read every FASA novel.

>>96340803
I am so sorry for your loss.