Thread 96350959

Eldar Edition

>Community Links:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000-downloads/
https://www.unitcrunch.com
https://www.newrecruit.eu
https://wahapedia.ru

>3rd Party Models Pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/Q33bkBUh

>Pre 10th Torrent:
Info hash: d91d8b9daa9c5dc9105fc0ec09812cbc17a752b5

>10th Edition Rules:
https://gofileio/d/9LvQTL
https://meganz/folder/Em0Rmb7I#4GR-B7y4cu5nCB5QziXM4A

>How to make wargames terrain:
https://gofile.io/d/s99zDV

>Secret Level Animation:
https://gofile.io/d/J7muqs

>Secret Santa
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15jNMk0oCTOWQkXxVetQqP-_mrNLjzggRR9wnmwkPMkM/edit?usp=sharing

>Previous Thread:
>>96346990

Thread question:
Make your own.

I want to start collecting Votann

>>96350963
They seems cool especially with the new models, do it anon!

>>96350959 (OP)
>make your own
Thread question:
Whats your favorite PROXY model?

Real Thread question because OP is a fag:
>What makes /yourdudes/ special? Is it a paint scheme? Fluff? Conversions? Tell us about them!

>>96350963
are you german?

Newest additions to my terminators.

>>96350965
>stop fucking making the threads
No.

>Eldarfag
>retarded and useless
Like a clockwork

>>96350988
Why are you intentionally dragging bait from one thread to the next, just chill

>>96350977
Muh termies live on a perpetual storm world so their equipment names makes sense.
>storm shield, thunder hammer, lightning claws, cyclone missile launchers
No plans on lightning claw dudes yet.

>>96350993
>calling out his dogshit literally incomplete threads is bait

i fucked up bros
i didn't thin my paint enough

>>96350973
>>96350973
This is my personal fave that I've done so far. But I plan on doing more weirder shit with agents
>>96350994
Is that you spidermaniac, or is someone else crazy enough to paint like 20 terms at once

remember anons, if you just talk out your battles and play homebrew only, then you too can one shot every model you don't want to fight against

>>96351002
It's okay, just do it more next time and go slower. Also rinse your brush more often, a lot of beginners attribute unwanted texture on their models to their paint not being thin enough, but a lot of times people just paint for too long with the same paint on their brush.

>>96351003
>20
I'm going to get all 72 done before I start priming them.

Still window shopping things for paint and researching what sort of base coat works best on bendy limb models(spiders).

>>96350996
Thread questions are pointless and don't add anything of worth to the actual threads 90% of the time. Especially when they are so low effort and shitty that they might as well not exist.

>>96351002
when you're starting out always test your paint on the back of your hand before touching to your model, you should be able to see your skin's texture clearly through the paint
and remember to give your paint coats time to dry, another beginner mistake is touching a brush to a layer that hasn't fully cured and tearing the paint and getting an ugly texture as a result
>>96351012
anything to excuse your lazy faggotry huh?

>>96351012
How about I up the challenge and do THREE thread questions every thread.

To go about the deeper thing on the spiders, there's the other reason I want to do the grimderp style. I need to make the paint stronger and keep the limbs in place with the layers of glue I plan on adding.
>>96351010

>>96351010
You're a psycho, please continue doing wild shit

>>96351020
I have a lot to learn until I get these guys all done proper.

Still window shopping all the shit I need. Narrowed down paint scheme for the termis I built while waiting for the first batch of mail.

I've started my night lords army and Im going to pick up a Knight-

I want a shooty night, but I also want to buy this box:

https://www.warhammer.com/en-AU/shop/chaos-knights-chaos-knight-ruinator-2025

Since I think the options looks the best. Which / what should I build? (obviously magnetizing but like at least to start).

>>96351016
If they're like squishy board game plastic you should look into the stuff people use for reaper bones

>>96351006
>>96351013
i think the problem was paint not thin enough + air pressure too high
i have an ultrasonic cleaner so it's no big deal but i thought i was beyond making mistakes like this

>>96350973
I proxy the bonesinger as a warlock, and I love it

>>96351028
Very tight

>>96351002
You can always strip the model with isopropanol and try again

>>96351023
Look up videos on how to magnetize and remember they can be made stronger with additional magnets.

I think any knight is fine because you cover weaknesses with them in the CSM codex. The titans options depends on your armies weaknesses. It has a high angle of attack so it's almost like indirect fire when hitting over terrain. That's a titans strength, and weakness. Great for your deep strikers to hit their home objective when this titan slams down on their home dudes.

>>96351028
Pressure too high + too close/too thin for how close you are. That's called spiderwebbing if you're looking for troubleshooting tips online

can't figure out hwhat to do for this captain's cape
currently leanin towards safe option of red inner liner and black outer
>>96350973
of things kitbashed my terminator techpriest being a counts-as librarian is my favorite so far
of stock kits I just grabbed an old FW WE dread to field as a helbrute at an insanely good price, excited for that
>>96350977
they like to nail onto their armor the skulls of their brothers who've succumbed to the black rage and had their final service delivered

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>96351046
Dark Eldar?
>More like Dork Eldar!

>on the brink of defeat
>only survived because this one guy couldn't find a Snickers when he needed one
Khârn of the World Eaters: strongest soldier of the Emperor's Children.

>>96351043
Kino

>>96351039
I probably want anti- tank, I h eard desecrator is aight for that? Should i start with that?

>>96351052
Nta but take a look through newrecruit at the options. You want high strength high ap high damage for anti vehicles

Would it be cool if SoB had a choice of rules for Ecclesiarchal sects?

>>96350977
/mydudes/ Black Templars lean heavily on the "medieval knights on a ballad" theme.
They write a lot of scriptures, each writes their own exploits and tales in ballads and songs, they joust, have tourneys etc. They have tapestries as banners.
Each have their own personal crest, some are a mix of crests from their mentors, marshalls and chaplains etc, some are new.
Their armors are heavily colorised and customised with emblems. They look almost garish and pomp, like knights of old.
GW could make Black Templars more unique if they lean more on the knights aspect, but now they're just another ultra pious psycho like most of them imperium.
Mine are still pious psychos, but at least they're not monotone at it.

Tactical marines are cooler than primaris.
>140pts for 2 gnarly guns, fist sergeant with special pistol
Frag Missile+Flamer+Storm Bolter Serg+Firestorm(inside12"+1Str) is 18bolter+D6+D6&Blast(bs4+) = 25+ average shots at +1str(all str5's without heavy intercessors AP).

If Intercessors (+20pts) needs to move and shoot, their shots are also BS3+. If you use Rhinos then the points are skewed, but the Tacticals will get that 12" rapid fire more often.

Different strokes for different folks but I bet Tacticals being cheaper with triple anti vehicle guns (Multi melta+meltagun+grav pistol) makes them more flexible.

Thank Firestorm Assault Force detachment to keep them in the game.

>>96351063
Could be cool as a wd detachment. I don't think you really want your codex overloaded with subfaction stuff.

>>96351063
I would give a theme to their rewards they earn in combat.

>>96351066
>hot rod flames
Based. If you wanted more knight themes you could mix in dangels stuff for variety

>>96350973
Easy, my only one.
Gonna be hard to figure out what else I can use her for now that theres a new nightbringer on the horizon.

>>96351068
I think it's cooler having your squads match and getting more posing options for each special weapon, but I understand why people like being able to make a truly unique squad. I think the best solution these days is to run dw squads cause it let's you mix and match everything

>been half kicking around the idea of going to the regional gt
>wanted to build a goofy speedwaaagh list for it, basically just be as much of a menace as I can
>looking at the cost of what I'd need to fill it out
>Six more buggies and four boxes of deffkoptas, which totals up to like $620 before tax and shipping if I order straight from geedubs
Actually not AS egregious as I thought it'd be and I can definitely save a couple bucks with some clever kit bashing. I hate that I want to bury myself in more work though

>>96351063
That's such as cool fucking pic

>>96350959 (OP)
>Thread question:
>Make your own.
Why is her soulstone placed down there?

>>96351068
Tacticals don't have rapid fire anon. They're always shooting twice

>>96351081
Amazon
Ebay(box sets)
Specialist websites.

>>96351084
Storm bolter Sergeant and any Plasma Guns you take, I meant.

Played my first 2k today. Lost but made it a good game.

>>96351043
Unreadable ESL word salad

>>96351095
Gotcha gotcha. Yeah it's confusing because sisters still have rapid fire bolters

>>96351016
>How about I up the challenge and do THREE thread questions every thread.
Feel free to do so when you make the thread, I won't be doing that however.

>>96351100
Most people who learn english as an extra language is often a third or forth language.
>european
>african
>even china
All have at least 4 languages or versions of their primary language within a 50 mile radius exceeding 30% of the population.

Basecoating by hand with a brush or spray? Does it matter?

What are no no conditions for spraying? Is hot and dry ok? Sunny weather? I assume damp is bad. Can I just basecoat by hand to the same effect if I can't spray?

>>96351103
>Your biggest mistake?
>Your best model?(show us)
>What lore do you hate about your army?
>Who do you like matching against?
>Your favorite combo/tactic is?
Pick a few.

>>96351103
Stop making incomplete threads you subhuman throoding faggot

>>96351068
intercessors do 40 shots at ap -1, even without buffs they'll out damage tacticals

>>96351111
Spraying is faster and easier once you learn to do it
I prime via rattlecans and airbrush my main basecoats because I can't fucking stand brushing one color on by hand on 60+ models

>>96351111
Spider/Termi anon here.
I've been poking around a lot, here's the best videos I got for ya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhCZCbluO44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZByVeqo_kE

>>96351115
Inside 12" where the flamer+blast frag and storm bolter become str5, with the intent on charging 20 wounds+power fist into the target with 140pts of marines. Unless they advanced, prepping for an overwatch.(2 flamers perhaps is best at that point)

40shot intercessors have two problems. Overkill, and splitting fire problems. Often you needed just 30 or 20 shots. Their role demands them to stand still and be a firing platform at range. If you want to move closer however, the 140pt marines do this better. That's my point.

>>96351124
If intercessors don't move to charge by being 24" ranged, the 140pt tacticals charging makes up for those missing 15~ish attacks that way.

You're really not rewarded pushing Intercessors closer unless you attach a leader to them.

>>96351124
they simply do not, otherwise you'd be seeing tacticals in every competitive list
they're not a good unit in any conceivable way with the rules they currently have
intercessors give you sticky and are a solid anti horde gun unit, tacticals are good into nothing and provide nothing

only way I can see myself owning either guard or marines is if guard had a way to soup marines in there.

>>96351136
There were lists that ran 60 tacticals a while back but it was because they scored really well for one of those pariah nexus secret missions

>>96351140
alliances are dead and should stay fucking dead

>>96351043
Purple cape

>>96351144
Well I’m probably never gonna touch loyalists then

>>96351136
A devistator squad gives you 4 Multimeltas, and a Fist+Pistol on Sergeant at 200 points.
A Tactical Squad gives you 1 Multimelta, 1 Meltagun, and Fist+Pistol on Sergeant at 140 points.

60 points for 2 weapon losses, roughly. If you're going to be aggressive with a unit intending to get close then would you do that with Intercessors or a Tactical Squad?

Imagine this. You like assault Intercessors, get all the plasma pistol upgrades and such, except you end up facing a tank heavy army. Bum deal. You plan on Tacticals to rush them, sparing the 20 points elsewhere you could use in this tight-list edition. With minimal loss in damage, anti tank value and less melee, but more ranged damage and anti vehicle potential.

You do not want to shove your intercessors into the midboard if you can help it. Shove the cheaper units into that role. I was comparing the anti infantry role to intercessors as an example of where they'd be.

Str5 bolter shots, 2 flamers(or flamer+missile fragging) with the intent on being close, charging or overwatching the following turn.

Give them meltas and even split the unit to be a dick with grenades strategem and you have a bigger role to play.

>>96351161
>str5 because firestorm assault force detachment

>>96351112
All of those are boring and not interesting.
>>96351114
It's not throoding when the new thread is posted on page 9.

>>96351023
Abominants are good for rolling up the field and vibe-checking enemy units.
Rampagers are the embodiment of what every CK player wants Chaos Knights to be. Nothing survives its charge.
Desecrators are your AT choice, because most of what you're going to be fighting will out-range your other knights.
Ruinators are bad. Not really worth it when you could use a despoiler.
Despoilers are platforms that allow you to fit two of the same weapon type on a Knight chasis. Two gatling cannons give you 36 shots. Very scary.
Tyrants are used for fighting against deepstrikes and generally just shitting out damage at range. Niche pick for most things.
Acastus knights are cool but stupid expensive and not very effective.
>Which / what should I build?
Ruinator gives you four different loadouts.
The Magnet Baron also sells a kit that allows you to magnetize the kits without needing to cut anything, look into it.

>>96351023
Forgot to mention here >>96351166
Get wardogs. Lots of wardogs. The houndpack lance boxset is a good start.
You won't be spamming them as much in previous lists, but they are the filling in the donut that is Chaos Knights.

>>96351165
Kill yourself throoder

>>96351116
>>96351117
Thank you anons! I'm gonna be painting today. Hope I wont screw up.

Hows kult of speed? if I were to start dem green gniigas I'd either opt in there or an all flying list.

>>96351190
Calibrate your enthusiasm.

>>96351197
should I expect any of them to be refreshed at least in 11th? No sudden culling or anything right?

>>96351200
If you see ancient models, be wary.

>>96351200
I have no idea what will happen in 11th and neither does anyone else
the only thing I know for certain is that first born space marines will be done after 10th, no more vindicators, no more preds, no more rhinos (except for armies that use them), no more midgets

>>96351202
deff koptas are old right

>>96350977
My dudes come from a forested and mountainous armory world. The departmento munitorum build vast warehouses under the mountain ranges to store wargear and vehicles where they would be safe from attack. When the Imperial tithe comes the pilots who shuttled cargo around become valkyrie pilots and the stevedores become air assault troops. The guard units from this planet are supplied with state of the art equipment from the armories and sent to the front. The PDF is operated as a citizen militia where everyone receives training and is organized into units based on their geographic location but only the top performers are tithed.

>>96351209
Kek

>>96351209
Still troubleshooting the Z-banding which caused the more pronounced lines on some parts.

What's the matter anon, aren't you going to deploy your models?

>>96351216
just when i thought L terrain couldn't get any worse.

>>96351216
If I saw this I would kindly -10vp my opponent for making me play in his unfinished terrain board.

>soulstorm campaign
>necron capital
>decide to play smart and jumped right into monolith location with speeders and termies and dread drops
>OI! DO YA HAVE A LOICENSE TO PLAY SMART?! HERE IS YOUR CRASH

>>96351216
Retvrn

Konrad Curze should come back as the first primarch Hellbrute

>>96351247
Do we really need more primarchs

>>96351245
back when we had an older local chain that has long since gone out of business, when they would do tournaments or demo games they would actually set up a backdrop like in this picture

>>96351250
Unfortunately yes, and primarch equivalents like Ghazghkull

>>96351250
We need new primarchs and new legions to appear.

>>96351247
>‘Wait! Did you ever hear the story of the end of Konrad Curze?’
just let the man die homie

>>96351247
Kurze's soul is within the soulstone that was embedded within the Corona Nox.

I’ve come to the conclusion warhammer 40,000 is not the setting I care for. I will now promptly excuse myself from this general, and all things associated with it, for good.
Enjoy.

>>96351209
Metal gear?!?!

What are the chances of a Adeptus Custodes update anytime soon? Resin into plastic (tank, dread, jump pack, maybe a named hero, aquilon termies), an expansion to Sisters of Silence and an upgrade sprue with various heads, weapons and flavor accessories?

Custodes seem very neglected and their recent hero was... a squat?!

>>96351272
posting that you dislike something and are leaving is just whiny at best

>>96351272
See you during the next preview.

>>96351272
Alright man have fun I guess?

>>96351274
>What are the chances of a Adeptus Custodes update anytime soon?
Very soon.
We already have this teaser image for the custodes. HH 3.0 will be showing off new custodes more sooner than later.

>>96351274
they've explicitly teased an update for 30k custodes which will trickle down to 40k - rumours are venatari (jump packs) and dreadnoughts

>>96351284
>>96351285
Well shit that's cool. What's the spear for? Doesn't look like a dread or venatari. Maybe its the perspective.

>>96351272
didnt read ur post but i like the cute teto art

How do i get the same color as the juggernauts on the left and the right-most juggernaut respectively. Black and khorne red have been failing me but it might be a skill issue

I'm having fun painting Poxwalkers, it's nice to paint something fast where you aren't super attached to the result.

>>96351271
That's the old black library lore. They went back to the "he's probably alive" in the 9th codex or it's a shattered soul situation.

>>96351304
If I'm not wrong GW's recipe for Khorne armor is Khorne Red + a heavy nuln wash.

>>96351296
It's a new guardian spear for updated custodian guard, ie. the generic troop model.
Or it's for a new custodes character, be it named or generic.

>>96351304
Word Bearers Red but eavy metal mix their paints so its peobably khorne red with added abaddon black.

>>96351306
>They went back to the "he's probably alive" in the 9th codex
Prove it.

How do you stick to a paint scheme?

>>96351319
I doubt they are going to update generic custodes. This looks more like a character spear or a new unit.

>>96350563
The Black Templar RepEx is much better. The normal Space Marine RepEx essentially doesn't have a special rule most of the time and most guns are AP0 so it only really shines during big storm of fire bombs
7 capacity is good for exactly BGV, but then you have nearly 500 points in a single model that, while T12, has a 3+ and no invuln making it surprisingly fragile.

BT get a Multimelta, Swordbros to put inside it and an actually good special rule

>>96351322
Read the Night Lords page in that codex.

>>96351328
I don't know what you're talking about but I saw those winning lists and they fucking sucked. Tanks, jump pack AI and Balistus shits with loads of characters. Horrible.

>>96351326
>I doubt they are going to update generic custodes.
Nah, they will update them since the current kit that exists is like 10 years old at this point. Also GW probably aims to rescale custodes since they are meant to be bigger than primaris.
Scale creep is nothing new in this game.

>>96351333
Yeah most Marine lists that win (44% winrate btw) tend to have a few utility infantry ( JPI, Ints, Infiltrators, scouts) then fill the rest of the army with Ultramarine characters and the best tank. Normally Vindicators, Ballistus and sometimes stormspeeders.

A lot of Space Marine datasheets are sadly just terrible and match poorly into the rest of the game.

>>96351330
Ok, so you made it up.

>>96350973
I've been working on and off on this dude. I guess it's either a Slaughterbound or a Daemon Prince. The smaller version is a fine Priest character.

Are Banshees overcosted? They seem meh without Jain-Zar. Wyches are squishy, but cheap

>>96351285
>which will trickle down to 40k
no, it won't, just ask the admech

>>96351050
And he got the most broken blessing from khorne. Hell, he could probably kill magnus.

>>96350973
Really want to do an IG or GSC army using Necromunda gangs. Essentially a Hiveworld got invaded and the locals are defending their home.

>>96351144
>wargame
>can't balance alliances
GW is lucky thier old.

>>96351348
Go and read that page. You have everything there.

>>96351346
Unfortunately every weapon in the game is designed to kill MEQ, and then they power crept everyones MEQ to not get one shot by MEQ weapons. So now marines are the only MEQ that actually are just "perfect" targets for those weapons (2/3 of all special weapons in the game)

>>96351341
I really doubt it UNLESS it's actually a bug refresh. Custodes have much more pressing issues than the regular guys.
>10 year old
Damn I feel old.

>>96351080
>I understand why people like being able to make a truly unique squad.
Tactical squads never offered that.

>>96351341
>since they are meant to be bigger than primaris.
no, they aren't

>>96351284
>Very soon
Ha!
I'll be honestly surprised if its before June. It's going to be late 2026.
>>96351285
There are no rumours. We can infer that their resin kits will go plastic but there hasn't been any actual rumours about what they are getting.
Also, no. GW has made it explicitly clear that HH and 40K kits are to be seperate. New HH kits WILL NOT be appearing in 40k going forward.
>>96351274
Custodes are getting new stuff in HH, Sisters are """allegedly""" also getting new stuff but not for quite some time still.
None of this will recieve rules in 40k.
There is no word on when Custard gets a 40k update, middle to late 2027 most likely.

my my would you look at the time

>height autism
Please no

>>96351372
It's not just MEQ
Gravis is supposed to be their 'tough' armour but because it has no invuln it gets eaten alive by 'anti elite' guns. There are so many high strength D6+3 Blast Damage 3 guns in the game that it renders Gravis armour a complete non-starter.

Wolfguard, Scarab Occult get -1 to be wounded, DWK get anti-everything and-1 damage (on top of 4 wounds), I don't think I even have to go in to Deathshroud.


Even Marine's elites are just trash

>>96351385
Danke Herr Doktor

>>96351380
>no, they aren't
They are, even if you dismiss the cone hat you see that the primaris marine is only up to Tyrith's chest here.

>>96351383
Nah, Custodes will definitely get a cross update. That's how they always worked. Their first plastic release was for HH.

>>96351323
You don't have to. It can be fun to mix things up as you go, try news things and improve as a painter.

>>96351391
Gravis aren't elite. Terminators are elite.

>>96351394
that's because she's a woman
they're taller than the men

>>96351394
What's the current take on Female Custodes? Are they still despised by half of the community?

>>96351394
>up to Tyrith's chest

>>96351404
They weren't despised by half, they despised by at best 25% who farmed engagement with AI generated thumbnail youtube videos for ad revenue for about a month then moved on. Most people don't care or like it. If you think otherwise it's because you live in an echo chamber.

>>96351396
>That's how they always worked
GW has changed, it's cutting off cross compatibility left and right
HH was always available to 40k, until it wasn't
custodes have always had hh stuff, until they won't

>>96351407
>If you think otherwise it's because you live in an echo chamber.
Calm down. I just asked a question. I just see people shit on female custodes everywhere besides places like reddit so I was curious.

>>96351407
Pretty good bait

>>96351404
Only sloptubers and culture warrior engagement farmers cared

>>96351404
Even Primaris, Tau and nucrons are still hated. Passage of time doesn't change anything, femstodes will always be retarded and always hated

>>96351411
>everywhere except reddit
As anon said, "an echo chamber".

>>96351409
Thing is, Custodes don't work without HH and they still use all of their HH units in 40k. I can see GW removing most of cross play but for Custodes it didn't happen yet and it doesn't make sense.

Discord raid?

>>96351404
They ruined the duality, so I want sisters of silence separated from the custodes as soon as possible and for female custodes to mean female marines are never happening (there can be female thunder warriors though).
Do that and it's fine even.

>>96351415
Only ubergrog faggots hate tau at this point

>>96351407
>it's because you live in an echo chamber.
Brave words from someone who posts same several coomer-baits again and again

>>96351423
I just hate Tau players.

I like Female Custodes but I don't really give a shit about the "grand" lore and I'm a coomer. Big Helga snu snu I kneel.

>>96351426
I don't hate them, the stuff they're into is concerning though

>>96351401
>33ppm or more for most gravis units
>Not elite
anon gravis is 2 and a half ppm less than standard Terminators.
Aggressors at 6 are costed the same as Canoptek Wraiths at 6.

>>96351429
Canon femstodes will never be coomer material and coomer material has never needed canon to back it up.

I want to put lightning claws on all my Raven Guard SM leaders because they look cool even though they don't have rules. Is it a bad idea?

>>96351434
As evidenced by canon tau being fuck ugly fish people vs balloon tits coomer anime art

>>96351419
>Thing is, Custodes don't work without HH
And daddy gw would never carry out such a dumb choice, right?

>>96351404
Ask again in a few months when the HH update for custodes has half the head options be female.

>>96351404
Fails the hobby triad test.

Are the models good? There are none.
Are the rules good? No because femstodes have no models, but if we consider Custodes as a whole then also no.
Is the lore good? No.

This state could change but its GW milking outrage from diehard anti-woke and praise from libtards that don't buy models so it probably won't.

>>96351419
>but for Custodes it didn't happen yet and it doesn't make sense.
It makes perfect sense.
Custodes need all their HH stuff to be a proper army. It's just gonna stay as one of those rare armies that is usable in both systems.

>>96351274
Theyre a horus heresy faction that is mostly resin and they already confirmed new shit for them is coming, so expect to see half a dozen units drop before Christmas

Tonight's progress.
Finished the blue highlights and started on first round of highlights for the red gonna push to finish red tmo and start on skin

>>96351404
>bohemond
He's a sloptuber reactionary and a BT larper and actual faggot who takes it up the ass which he has admitted on twitter.
Anything he says is worthless.

>>96351447
>Custodes need all their HH stuff to be a proper army
And they simply won't be a proper army anymore, just a dumbass microfaction

i just like the models man

>>96351438
No, it is fluffy and cool.

>>96350973
I like proxying cultists with skeletons.

it's 20 skeletons in a box and they look cool.
Also i have my own lore for my CSM dudes and they do not worship chaos gods, so skeletons work better for them.

>>96351419
>Thing is, Custodes don't work without HH
Thing is, Custodes shouldn't be a thing outside of HH
GW has made 3 kits for them? fine, but 3 kits are not an army so they go in imperial agents.

>>96351407
It's this.
I remember back in 2024 april when the first news of female custodes hit, most people didn't care.
Even most of the people who post models here and play (ie. engage in the hobby) didn't give a shit.
Then the grifters started to get so mad that they started to spam scat and tranny porn, because people weren't agreeing with them about female custodes being bad.

>>96351468
As long as you convert them a bit and and guns I see no problem with it.

>>96351458
You should add some shading to folds and creases of the red cloth

>>96351398
It's just I'm not the biggest fan of having a squad have two different paint schemes. But hell I do need the practice.

Yup seems like a raid to me

>>96351430
I mean... she is a granny.

>>96351423
I hate the blue fucks

>>96351323
You use the same paints throughout the entire army. Hope this helps

>>96351478
It's samefaggotry, not a raid.
Raids are generally conducted with minimal cross replies.

>>96351439
Or coomer femstodes and femarines existing for ages.

>>96351475
Yeah that's the plan, I'm gonna do all the highlights first and then glaze in the shadows rn the red is just fanatic pure red and 50:50 fanatic pure red:fanatic lava orange and that's it. Plan is to work up to yellow extreme highlight but I'll probably leave that for after my shading to see what I think

>>96351396
That's how they worked in the past.
GW is slowly separating all cross-system kits because what sells where.
Custodes, lizardmen, knights, daemons and any others I've overlooked are long term, but will either get their own specific kits or be squatted from one system or another.
We will eventually see 40k and 30k bananas, and 40k will get to keep the current range in the interim, but they won't get anything new from HH.

>>96351458
Looks neat, what is this meant to be?

>>96351462
Your guys are cool. I like them too

>>96351404
The discourse around female custodes is reliant on the discourse around female marines.
Female marines should NOT happen, female custodes are irrelevant as long as that is maintained.

>>96351478
>>96351489
Sometimes I really wonder what the fuck you're on. Please point which posts are the raid or samefaggotry? People are literally talking and being actualy civil about it.

Primarch's don't just die you absolute fucking retards.

They're all immortal, if* after their death, appropriate measures are taken with their souls/geneseed.

You literally don't get 40k lore if you can't understand this.

Also Curze hired the Vindicare, he made it happen. He had a plan.

>>96351512
Dunno, ask /hhg/

>>96351394
>Primaris are manlets
How will they cope?

>>96351512
>if* after their death, appropriate Measures are taken with their souls
that's like saying everyone is immortal, since you can bullshit anyone from death, they're dead, bro.
>He had a plan.
Yeah, the plan was to die.

Female Custodes actually make sense in the long run as Custodes were supposed to be the New Humanity. The apex and dream of what we could be. Free from the Warp and superior to everyone around. It makes sense that The Emperor would want them to breed with each other. Sisters of Silence are a mutation. A loyal and useful mutation but not something you want in the general genepool.

Space Marines like Thunder Warriors were always meant to be exterminated with select few Primarchs allowed to live out their days and help the New Humanity. Thats why Custodes hate Marines. They ruined everything and were supposed to be gone by now.

>>96351500
He's gonna be a techmarine stand in. My guys lost their techmarine so my fluff for him is that he's the last servitor left from the techhmarines retinue. He's also taller than a Gravis captain which is fun

>>96351517
The plan was to ascend.

>>96351498
>slowly
Not really. It's all happened at the start of 10th. Worst edition ever.

>>96351504
Female custodes were an obvious dipping of the toes on GW's part.
They wanted to judge just how much their customer base actually cares about this kind of representation (either in a positive, or in a negative direction), but in a small, controlled manner that doesn't risk hurting their golden goose - the marines.
It is clear from the way GW has continuously empowered vocal lefties at BL that they either are afraid to say no, or are fully in support of them. Femarines are only a question of time.

>>96351474
All skeletons have a holster with pistol on their back (can't be seen in the image)

>>96351445
1 in 5 at best. Only on new kits also, so over half the army will still be sausage-only.
One female character, or more likely, one female head and male.
And I bet there will still be a male-only kit as well, guaranteed.

>>96351522
I don't mind female custodes per se but they kinda ruin the diynamic they had with SoS being the female half of Talons to the make half of Custodes.

>>96351522
>Space Marines like Thunder Warriors were always meant to be exterminated
Headcanon based on nothing. You don't make your disposable soldiers functionally immortal. And even an ascendant humanity not reliant on Warp travel would still need soldiers to guard the borders.

>>96351522
>Female Custodes actually make sense in the long run as Custodes were supposed to be the New Humanity.
Can a female Custode get pregnant?

>>96351456
Christmas next year, yeah. There isn't even a single whisper of them coming this year.

>>96351540
Lorelet

>>96351524
Neat. But I do hope /yourdudes/ will one day get a new techmarine. (Make him a junior apprentice to the servitor)

>>96351522
>as Custodes were supposed to be the New Humanity
No, they weren't, the next step for humanity was always a psychic evolution, while custodes are never psykers and do not reproduce even when having women.

You HAVE to create a lore explanation for female Space marines. However, you are given free reign as long as it results in Fem Space marines in SOME faction.
What do you do?

>>96351556
Shoot the messenger.

>>96351549
Your argument being?

>>96351531
>Only on new kits also
There won't be plastic kits other than the new ones.

>>96351556
Cawl does it. Big E gave him a vision to a secret labratory location on Terra where Emperor had hid his research on creating female marines.
It still requires Cawl to get the help of the custodes for the labratory is within the Imperial Palace.

>>96351556
No

tourist here. what is this shit I keep hearing about the custodes thinking that the empire in his current form is an abomination with increasing hunger for psyker souls and potentially causing some sort of cataclysm if they cannot still this hunger?

>>96351556
>You HAVE to create a lore explanation for female Space marines.
"Since the first of the Astartes were created, there were always female space marines."

>>96351506
Nta but I assume he's talking about the people arguing about custodes? I just tune it out at this point

>>96351556
there are space marine renegades who think astartes are superior and in the nihilus, cut off from the astronomicon, they fancy themselves as kings - very similar to how some marines thought pre HH
there are female astartes so the 'astartes' race can survive without relying on humans. these astartes are treated like kings and queens, with serfs undertaking dangerous glory-seeking so that their sons and daughters might one day ascend

>>96351553
That's the idea, either that or use the new saturnine praetor as the techmarine that's returned. Haven't decided what a iwant to do, that is techmarine guy looks pretty sweet too so i might just use him

>>96351530
Kinda lazy

>>96351556
Just make some EC offshoot get turned into fem CSM by Slaanesh, as a joke.

What bit of 40K setting lore do you think GW regrets introducing the most but can't or won't outright decanonize?

>>96351556
Cawl fucked up and all primaris are a timebomb and they'll die en precisely 15 years. They need to come up with a way of getting a fuckton of firstborn marines quickly to replace all the primaria that will die and doubling the potential candidates is the most efficient way.

>>96351604
Votrans

Like it or not, but Conrad Curze is alive. He will just return to 40k like Bjorn the fellhanded but in Hellbrute form.

>>96351556
Primaris geneseed causes half the marines to naturally become women after an unknown amount of time that can vary from individual to individual.
This can happen to marines that weren't made as primaris but crossed the rubicon too.

>>96351604
>>96351611
Unironically yeah Voltann.

You can't undo an army. Once people have bought it, you n ow have customers that want it. But it is easily the worst piece of shit army they've ever invented.

Its like either that or killing off a single primarch ICANT

>>96351604
Female custodes

>>96351540
Anon... read the recent HH books. They literally have a space marine killer virus ready to be deployed to end them all. People thought that was the Terminus Decree before the GK book.

>>96351618
No, he won't, night lords are an irrelevant alt color scheme.

>>96351556
Some space marines choose to identify as female. This is a universally accepted choice within the Imperium and all Imperial authorities recognize whatever pronouns an Astartes chooses to use so long as they fill out the proper paperwork. There are no physical differences between female and male space marines and they all still use the title of Brother.

>>96351556
Female marines always existed and Emperor's idea was to eventually replace all of humanity with a race of super soldiers who are subservient only to him so he can wage a massive war on the galaxy and exterminate everything that opposes him from it.

>>96351623
Despite me only following Imperium lore I still now bits and pieces about Tyrnaids, Orks, Tau, Eldar etc. But Votrans I don't know what the fuck they are other than the fact they are midgets

>>96351555
>was always a psychic evolution
Lmao fuck no. The end game was cutting humanity from the Warp and starving the Chaos Gods. Psykers were going to be wiped out and the psyker gene removed. Space Travel was going to be through the Webway or The Emperor's version of it.

>>96351604
Ian Watson's books.
Who knows Ian, maybe this'll be my next movie?

>>96351623
GW has no problem retconning Primarch deaths if it suits them. They've already done it for Horus.

>>96351604
Ynnari

>>96351628
That doesn't make any sense, marines wear environmentally sealed suits with advanced filtration systems.
Not to mention the logistics. How are you delivering that virus to thousands of ships and planets all across the galaxy in any reasonable amount of time?

>>96351629
More relevant than any other non big 4 right now. They will feature prominently in the Dark Heresy game and are getting their second KT.

>>96351641
Yeah, I think they had big plans for Ynnari that they pumped the breaks on real hard and are only now unpicking that tangle to return everything to the status quo.

>>96351638
Dorn started as the most dead of the Primarchs and is slowly becoming less dead each edition

>>96351644
Not a night lords KT, just a night lords paintjob on a generic KT

>>96351636
>The end game was cutting humanity from the Warp and starving the Chaos Gods. Psykers were going to be wiped out and the psyker gene removed.
Ok, so now wants all of humanity to become nulls?
This is the reason why I don't like new Heresy, it just makes the Emperor schizophrenic and retarded.
At one moment they write him wanting to evolve humanity into similiar beings as himself. Then next they are all gonna be cut off from the warp and made into basically nulls.
It's stupid.

>>96351651
Dorn was never more dead than Ferrus Manus. Both of their bodies were originally accounted for, though.

>>96351636
>The end game was cutting humanity from the Warp and starving the Chaos Gods.
This is correct.
> Psykers were going to be wiped out and the psyker gene removed.
This is incorrect.
>Space Travel was going to be through the Webway or The Emperor's version of it.
This is correct.

>>96351651
desu, the fluff about Dorn's fate being changed is old fluff anyway too.
Yes, he started off as 100% dead, but not long after they decided to just make Dorn MIA, with only his hand being missing.

>>96351655
I don't think the Emperor gave a fuck about what form humanity had to take to beat Chaos, he just wanted to make sure they did.

>>96351661
>with only his hand being missing.
Recovered*
Brain farded.

>>96351604
Slaanesh.

Even in the 80s it was a niche joke about sex, drugs(, drags) and rock & roll that they kept around because it was more entertaining for them than it was a weight on the company, but now it's not entertaining for them anymore, it predictably doesn't sell nearly enough as the other chaos stuff, and the company grew exponentially, is now publicly traded and attempting to break into normie spaces.
All things point to them being practically ready to ceremoniously kill slaanesh around the same time they were making other major sweeping changes to save the company from bankruptcy, but a change in ceo put on the brakes before the final greenlight.

And now it's dragged around because removing it would do more harm to the image of the company to the existing fanbase than it would improve the image of the company to newcomers, but it's easy to imagine that if they could go back to the time of its making, they would snip off slaanesh.


For a colder take: necrons and ctan lore was a poorly thought clusterfuck when they made it and remains a poorly thought clusterfuck over a decade after the big retcon of necrons lore.

>>96351662
That's just another side effect of the contradictatory story telling the Emperor has been subjected to.

>>96351659
>> Psykers were going to be wiped out and the psyker gene removed.
>This is incorrect.
So what was going to happen to them? They are too dangerous to keep around and you can't starve the Chaos Gods if Psykers are around. They had to go.

>>96351674
I'm still mad to this day that CTan are such a half assed concept that they made a fundamental underpinning of the function of the setting as a whole at a metaco conceptual to level.

>>96351674
Yeah, it is pretty evident that modern GW isn't super happy about Slaanesh's existance.

>>96351677
Eldar did it for 65 million years as an entirely psychic race.

>>96351636
You're a lorelet who's never read anything on the matter: humanity has always been evolving into a psychic species, the emperor was always the first early and exceptional example(s) of such an evolution, his role wasn't to kill psykers, but to guide the human race so it would go through this dangerous growing pains without become preys to warp predators.

The point of the webway wasn't to kill psykers, but to not make humanity heavily reliant on them during such a tumultuous period.

>>96351681
Slaanesh is the favorite Chaos God of GW's favorite community. Why wouldnt they live Slaanesh?

>>96351677
The humanity was going to evolve into an entirely psychic species, like eldar. The Emperor was supposed to be there to guide them safely, now that there would be no chaos gods to fuck shit up.

>>96351684
Sure ended well for the Eldar.

>>96351674
I think this is definitely the winner. Even Ynnari as a whole was just part of their problem with Slaanesh (and the Dark Eldar) and trying to remove them from the setting.
I think now that they have Slaanesh specific armies in both of their main games it's not something they can ever really change though so maybe they have made peace with it.

>>96351604
Unironically all marines being male only because it has lead to them and their IP which they are just trying to make money of, as a battleground for the culturewar.

>>96351689
They lost their creators and guides, and yet ruled the galaxy for 60 million years.

>>96351689
Eldar made it 64090000 more years without making a chaos god than humanity did.

>>96351688
Emperor was an elfaboo and wanted to be just like them.

>>96351604
Sisters of Silence.
GW has actually said they only made them for the old HH cardgame so it wouldn't be 100% sausage party in the art and never put much thought out development into them.
Even in the HH novels they barely appear.
Then GW said they still exist in 40k so they could sell more plastic and since then haven't had a fucking clue what to do with them.

>>96351604
Knight pilots cannot be psykers is a big one, a psychic knight would be such an easy release to do.

Realistically any "no this is why you can't" lore, because no one likes being told they explicitly cannot do something, this is why force org always gets thrown out at the end of the editions its added into

>>96351691
nowhere is safe from being a battleground for the culturewar
the only winning move is to not engage with the culturewar, not bending to whatever side

>>96351677
>They are too dangerous to keep around and you can't starve the Chaos Gods if Psykers are around.
All of humanity feeds chaos, not just psykers who have visible powers.
All humans in 40k, barring exceptions, are on the positive side of the psychic activity scale. Ie. All humans in 40k are technically low level psykers, and that psychic activity they have is their soul.
This is also why many humans due to random circumstances can unlock latent psychic powers in their life they are exposed to something or experience something.
It's also why Chaos is so keen on humanity and focused on it, humanity as a whole is a massive fuel source for Chaos.

>>96351694
Which God did Humanity make? All of them were made by the Eldar. Even their Elven Gods were shards or whatever of the Chaos Gods. Khaine=Khorne, Isha=Nurgle, Ynead=Slaanesh and Cegorach=Tzeentch.

>>96351704
the eldar only made slaanesh, humanities chaos god was gonna be the dark king

>>96351654
cope

>>96351677
You can't starve the chaos gods period, the emperor didn't have a solid plan to solve everything, it was simply acting on what he thought could help mankind the most, and killing all psykers of a race that is going to evolve into an all psychic species is not going to do it, but securing the webway to ease pressure on the need for psykers was going to buy time.

Next Adeptus Custodes models for 40k will be Psyker Custodes. Yellow King sends his regards.

>>96351686
>GW's favorite community.
GW doesn't give a shit about leftists or any sigmarxist faggots.
All the "warhammer is for everyone" is just lip service just so the skittles squad fucks off and leaves them alone. Since nowadays lot of people are mentally deranged and view life as "if you don't 100% support me and my viewpoints/life style then you are my mortal enemy".

>>96351704
Eldar made slaanesh, not the other 3, those have unspecified or non specific origins.

Mankind is making the dark king (faggy name btw).

>>96351700
psi-titans...

>>96351704
Do you think there is not a God-Emperor deity in the warp, regardless of whether or not it is the same man that was put on the Golden throne?

I skimmed through the 9th ed Dark Eldar codex but just realised there aren't any psykers in their range, nor there was an explanation to it. Do they stay away from the warp entirely because unlike their Craftworld kin their souls are not protected in spirit stones or is there an another explanation? I should read the Eldar codex next for fluff.

>>96351710
expect jump pack custodes that are different than their 30k counterparts

>>96351720
Vect banned it.

>>96351712
Anon, if that was the case, Mike Brooks wouldn't keep getting contracts.
There is lip service and then there is actively endorsing shit.

>>96351704
>Which God did Humanity make?
The Tau God of the Greater Good

>>96351404
>femstodes
Rapedolls for my autarch or archon or felarch

>>96351629
>irrelevant
>2 kill teams painted night lords in the space of 8 months

YOU BEST BE RETARDED FOR COMMENTS SUCH AS THESE

>>96351718
They're very very exceptional and are not as simple as plopping a psyker as pilot for a titan.

>>96351728
>Mike Brooks
Worse blight than Gav Thorpe and I'm not anti left. He's a horrible writer and a horrible person.

what is chaotic about a "dark king"?

>>96351720
Deldar living by trading other peoples' suffering for staving off She Who Thirsts atrophied their psychic abilities. There are warehouses of pre-Fall eldar hyperweapons in Commorragh that deldar would love to use, but can't because they require the user to be psychic.
Also, Commorragh is within the Webway, the walls separating them from the raw stuff of Immaterium are pretty fucking thin and they don't want to risk a collapse, so powers that be always prohibited psykers from using their abilities within the city.

Something I noticed skimming 1D4chan (as it was) was that any new lore presented after fifth was always done with this mocking tone, as if everyone expected GW was gonna drop all of it (like they did eye of terror, presumably), and this is generally how the community treats any lore clarification now as well. This has me wondering, do people genuinely think 40k was gonna be a super static setting forever, like that every possible lore hook was gonna be left unexplored?

>>96351730
>felarch
Is he going to fellate them?

>>96351712
You will not be missed.

>>96351424
Ive seen people call this art coomer several times before, but its clearly SFW.

>>96351739
Yes

>>96351422
Sisters of Silence belong in agents but I think they are too entangled with Custodes at this point to be seperated.

>>96351720
You should read the older codexes instead.

The expression of strong emotions and psychic powers attracts slaanesh which would snatch their soul even when they're still alive either gradually or in one terrific swoop, so where the craftworlds shield themselves from the attentions of slaanesh by following a monastic path system that structures and separates their emotions with zen-like shit and allows them to use psychic powers in a safe and controlled manner, the dark eldar prefer to forgo the use of their psychic nature and instead revel in their emotions, feeding off the souls of others to replenish what slaanesh slowly syphons away from them due to that.
And also with strong psychic shit there's the risk of breaches into the webway that would allow demons to come feast on them directly, so it's taboo and one of the few mostly outlawed things in commorragh.

>>96351720
There are 3 rules in Commoragh.
1. No Psykers
2. There are no rules, let anarchy reign.
3. Seriously, no Psykers

>>96351750
Thats very odd considering there's nothing in the books that ever implies it

>>96351704
>All of them were made by the Eldar.
[citation needed]

>>96351712
This is wishful thinking at this point. GW is firmly left and has been pretty vocal about it. By making official statements ("warhammer is for everyone"), retconning the fluff to please the left (femstodes), and continually supporting inclusion of left ideas in their books (canon mtf trannies accepted by the imperium, nonbinary orks, eldar being a race of genderfluid trannies, neopronoun admech priests, etc.)
There may have been a time when you could dismiss it as lip service, but certainly not at this point.

>>96351758
4. No pants.

>>96351733
>horrible person.
>I'm not anti left

>>96351522
>custodes are the new humanity
Nah, Custodes can't breed. That's why they need to make new ones using the same extremely expensive archeotech. If they could breed then they wouldn't be so expensive. The reason it makes sense is that Custodes usually come from noble parents, and some noble children are females. Custodes aren't exactly economical, they are the hyper engineered super project of the Imperium's gene editing technology. Comparing Custodes to marines is like comparing the SR71 blackbird to the F-14, one is made to be mass produced and the other is a hand crafted and built super weapon. So if there is any extra cost to ascending a female, it really wouldn't matter because the cost is irrelevant as the design is meant to be penultimate not mass producible.

>>96351604
The Blood Raven focused Dawn of War novels, to the point the decanonized them because ADB and his cronies hate the Ravens being loyalist tsons.

>>96351522
Female custodes would make sense if they were only female, if the false emperor had Khadaffi thing going on of bodyguard harem.

>>96351770
>Nah, Custodes can't breed.
Observe:
"Since the first of the Ten Thousand were created, they could always procreate."

>>96351774
Wheres the evidence they are decanonized?

>>96351622
But crossing the rubicon makes you autistic, not a woman.

>>96351644
Me shitting and pissing myself while praying for Alpha Legion to get a modern upgrade sprue.

>>96351774
ADB being so vocally against traitor successor loyalists is always amusing to me because he made Shadow Wolves, a Sons of Horus successor loyalist chapter.
So its apparently okay only if he does it.

>>96351720
It's a plot point in Rogue Trader crpg as well

>>96351704
>Which God did Humanity make?
All 4.
Emperor's and Horus' final battle shattered space and time which then allowed the anguish and suffering from the Siege of Terra be poured into the Warp at the begining of the universe.
Planting the very seeds that'd give rise to Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh.
Slaanesh is special in that it was "gestated/birthed" by the eldar race. But the seeds were planted by humanity.

>>96351736
the same thing that's chaotic about anything, the extreme and the sake

gods of war aren't inherently evil, the ability to fight is the ability to defend themselves or others for moral reasons, but khorne brings it to the extreme and wages war for war's sake
similarly and more easy to understand is that one can change for good reasons, while change for change's sake is sick and destructive and twisted
nurgle is a god of life, the cycle of nature is not a bad thing, death is a part of life and everything is good when all these parts are in harmony, but nurgle is an extreme and deformed version of that cycle where things rot and bear fruit, not in a cycle, but at the same time

the dark king seems to embody unity, leadership, a guiding figure, but where there can be a good moral king with a benevolent vision for its subjects, with chaos we would have an extreme of control, tyranny, slavery, conquest for the sake of conquest, a reversal of the role of the king's subjects from the reason why he rules, for their interests, for the mean through which he rules, just to accrue more power and control

>>96351604
Primaris marines.

>>96351628
Recent? Vorus bombs appear in Galaxy in Flames.

>>96351789
Virus bombs don't target marines specifically.

>>96351752
custodes can be thrown in agents too
if sisters are too hard to separate from custodes then throw the knights under them in agents as well, it's not like they're faring well as they are right now

>>96351786
that time thing is never actually explained in the novel and prior to those events ever happening its already stated slaanesh had always existed

>>96351718
Psi titans specifically use Nulls as their pilots actually.
Psykers are used within the titan, but they are just used bio-mechanical batteries to fuel the titan's psychic weapons like the psy-cannon.
The princeps controlling the psi-titans are nulls specifically because of how much psychic power the titan "generates", so to shield the pilot they need to be nulls so they are not affected by the psychic energies coursing through the titan.

>>96351719
I think there is because of how acts of faith actually get shit done in a lot of situations in 40k, even recently in Pariah Nexus the sister's fanaticism helped them resist the soul dampening effect of the Necron's technology.

>>96351720
Deldar instantly get devoured by Slannesh if exposed to the warp. The Craftworlders developed the path system and soulstone technology to shield themselves and Deldar just abandoned psychic powers entirely. The one single moral or ethic all deldar share is a hatred of psychic powers and demons. They aren't above trading with chaos worshippers or using them as weapons against each other, but they are well and truly despised.

>>96351778
ADB said it one a forum you can find it if you did it up. I think he also talked about it on facebook, he also said every codex before 4th edition was decanonized and it might have advanced since then.

>>96351782
He's also fine with Minotaurs being Iron Warriors. He's literally just a hypocrite he specifically HATES the blood ravens and even shit talked Graham Mcneill in an interview for continuing to keep their tsons lore alive in 7th edition.

>>96351793
Honestly, I could see this happening but I think GW already invested too much into Custodes. I mean, they have double the models of Harlequins or Deathwatch so I doubt they will ever be squatted.

>>96351784
it's very funny how you can intentionally trigger the Dysjunction just to flip the bird to the Drukhari as you run away

>>96351728
>Anon, if that was the case, Mike Brooks wouldn't keep getting contracts
GW doesn't give a shit about what Mike Brooks writes because all of BL is just filler and pulp.

>>96351798
>ADB said it one a forum you can find it if you did it up. I think he also talked about it on facebook, he also said every codex before 4th edition was decanonized and it might have advanced since then.
So there isn't actually evidence then, got it

>>96351803
Newfag an author got fired a few years back for admitting to wanting to emasculate space marines to own the chuds.

>>96351803
Keep telling yourself that, champ.

>>96351720
>nor there was an explanation to it
DEldar have no psychic powers because their psychic powers have atrophied and also using psychic powers within commoragh are one of the few laws that are upheld because psykers tend to cause dysjunctions in commoragh.
Ie. daemons invade commoragh and then start ass raping and skull fucking the residents.

>>96351623
>they regret an army they just put out a second wave for

absolute copium. they regret nothing about votann except maybe the confusion of previewing them on april fools day

the sentiments of the dedicated 4chan hatecult for all things new does not extend to the greater community

>>96351798
>they have double the models of Harlequins
I think you should shift your perception on that, the resin forge world models are not going to be considered by gw going forward.

>>96351806
There is, but it took me like 7 hours of digging through old forums a few months ago to find it and I'm not doing it again just to win internet points. If you want to ignore it because you desperately want to cling to Inquisitor Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau still being canon that's fine but the old codex are internally treated as non canon. The official list of canon sources exists in the editing and IP management department and isn't officially released, but it does exist.

>>96351812
>maybe the confusion of previewing them on april fools day
Nah that was legendary

>>96351814
The Custodes tank are definitely getting a plastic kit at some point but yea, you are right looking at their datasheets its pretty grim how much is 30k hand me downs.

>>96351623
>Once people have bought it, you now have customers that want it.
Tell that to the Beastmen fans who got their entire army squatted.

>>96351744
Sure, females without cock is not worth it

>>96351815
>The official list of canon sources exists in the editing and IP management department and isn't officially released, but it does exist.

It'd be weird that its never talked about when any research is being done for the heresy, like jon french has talked about digging up old scraps of lore and never once mentioned "oh but we are throwing that out"

I'd be willing to bet the list of noncanon books is pretty small, something like

>space marine
>The original versions of dark imperium 1 and 2
>The 13th black crusade background book

>>96351791
But they kill them just as easily.

>>96351819
>The Custodes tank are definitely getting a plastic kit at some point
But that's going to be for the horus heresy, not for 40k proper, in 40k proper custodes are a very limited selection of unique stuff.

What's grim is not the amount of stuff they have from FW, it's the amount of stuff that FW will give them that they cannot use in 40k because GW wants to be retarded about cross compatibility.

>>96351822
No one bought brettonia, they just bought 3rd party which is exactly what's happening now too

>>96351822
We happily play old world..

>>96351623
Tell that to space marines.

>>96351644
They featured the Word Bearers in the Rogue Trader video game, including a playable companion, and it did not result in anything from GW directly.

>>96351824
It is very small afaik, but the Dawn of War books are on it. I had to use the wayback machine to find the conversation that it was talked about with a few writers. It was around 2016. I found it because I went really deep in the rabbit whole of trying to find out why ADB hates Blood Ravens being loyalist tsons so much and at the end of hours of research I found a series of deleted forum posts where he and an editor I've never heard of said the books were non canon and that blood ravens ARE something interesting, just not loyalist tsons. Which seemed like a huge cope because if you actually read the Dawn of War novels they are 100% loyalist tsons and its not even thinly veiled. I mean Ahriman is literally aiding the Ravens from the shadows at one point and has one in his warband.

>>96351827
>What's grim is not the amount of stuff they have from FW, it's the amount of stuff that FW will give them that they cannot use in 40k because GW wants to be retarded about cross compatibility.
They don't want to give sales to a team (in this case the heresy team) which would then increase their budget because 40k is doing well.

Genuinely if they did allow total cross combatability, necromunda sales would skyrocket and TOW would actually be in the black for once

>>96351838
The novels are still for sale online and there's no disclaimer in the description

>>96351840
>They don't want to give sales to a team (in this case the heresy team) which would then increase their budget because 40k is doing well.
They are the exact same company, it doesn't matter which team is responsible for the sales, only that the models sell. This is costing them money.

>>96351843
As anon said the list of non canon works is internal and not publicly released.

>>96351838
didn't the T-sons have a raven-themed cult that focused on seeing the future
because with the Tsons heresy colours that sounds just like the ravens

>>96351848
Then they should delist the novels? like its rather silly for someone as allegedly spiteful as ADB to get them decaonized but keep them up on Black Library

>>96351852
Yes, the corvidae. But it's literally just one of 1000 things that tie the Ravens to the tsons, color scheme and iconography not withstanding. Ahriman was the leader of the Corvidae, which was one of the 6(? cant remember its been a long time since I read the 30k tsons books) disciplines that Magnus founded and taught to his disciples.

>>96351845
It does matter because its how they distribute budget, so lets say whatever slop they do for TOW comes out and it just so happens its a perfect proxy for AOS, the TOW team would get the boost to budget which would then be wasted on some other slop that won't sell

>>96351860
If the slop is selling why shouldn't they get more budget? It is selling.

>>96351855
Maybe the editing team doesn't have the pull to delist novels because they still generate revenue. Especially with the licensing division getting more and more pull in the company over the last 5 years.

>>96351860
I'm still hoping one day that this retarded internal division competition bullshit goes away, its really hurting the company and is exactly the type of boomertard bullshit that runs IPs into the ground. It's sad we will never get 30k admech rules in 40k.

>>96351845
>This is costing them money.
If they're doing it I think it's because, ultimately, it's not costing them that much.

The people who are in 40k into a faction will splurge a few hundreds bucks into that faction regardless of whether the total number of kits for that faction is 3 or 13, the people who collect every kit for a faction are more limited than the ones who collect enough for one army and then move one, and the more games with different armies you have, the less likely they will be to buy one army to play multiple games instead of multiple armies.

>>96351845
You would think so, and you would be wrong. GW is run by a bunch of incompetent petulant children.
When a new miniature was being released, three different divisions (White Dwarf, Warhammer Community and webstore) hired three different photographers to take three different sets of that same mini on a white background instead of reusing a single set, purely because those divisions hate and don't want to help each other.

>>96351864
its selling by accident though, when you're given a budget its on the premise that it'll generate more sales.

This is why space marines cause more space marine releases, its a safe investment for GW.

If TOW slop is selling because of AOS, any release that isn't very good for AOS for one reason or another will be a big loss

GW finally acknowledging that the Dark Eldar exist and starting up the hype train

>>96351869
It's not a matter of completionism. Take AdMech as it's the biggest offender because they don't even get legends rules. They made new plastic kits for a bunch of really cool 30k units that will always sell worse than if they were cross compatible simply because the playerbase of 30k is way smaller, and the playerbase of AdMech within that smaller still. They've essentially closed down 99% of the 40k AdMech playerbase from contributing to those sales in the hopes that... they all go and buy a completely new army for a game they don't play? It's retarded.
Take space marines, too. We know a big part of Leviathan dreadnought sales were for 40k players. Now that they can't be used outside of legends, do you think their sales have skyrocketed and brought a ton of players to 30k? Of course not, the sales plummeted because any customer that would have bought one but isn't interested in 30k won't buy one now. There's no way to spin this so that it doesn't cost them lots of sales.

>>96351866
>Maybe the editing team doesn't have the pull to delist novels because they still generate revenue. Especially with the licensing division getting more and more pull in the company over the last 5 years.

they delisted a few novels and relisted them a month or so ago, it was Unremembered Empire, and vulkan lives

>>96351796
>its already stated slaanesh had always existed
Yes, because humanity caused slaanesh to come into existance in the begining of the universe due to the Heresy.

>>96351876
social media pictures are never actually indicative of release schedules.

>>96351879
>Unremembered Empire
One of the few 30k books I actually genuinely really liked. Good for Bobby Smurf fanboys.

>>96351066
Black Templars that get more of the yellow and red in there is peak.

>>96351875
It's still selling. That's what matters. You speak as if every kit sold the same and only the game it belongs to contributed to the sales. If they make a TOW, say, ogre kit that sells like hotcakes for AoS it won't matter for the next kit because it will be a different thing anyways.

>>96351877
>They made new plastic kits for a bunch of really cool 30k units that will always sell worse than if they were cross compatible simply because the playerbase of 30k is way smaller
But the admech playerbase of 40k will spend the same amount of money they would have on those cool robots, just on more of the existing 40k range for the admech, so gw won't really lose money as long as their customers buy to make armies.

>>96351808
They got fired not because GW cares about marines, they got fired because they were insulting GW's customers publically. Ie. a thing you should NEVER do in any company.

>>96351888
30k admech robots are much cooler than 40k ones.

>>96351888
continuing

similarly, if the sales of the leviathan dreadnoughts skyrocket because 40k are buying that for their dreadnoughts, then it means they're not buying the 40k dreadnoughts

>>96351890
the pig is going to eat 2k points of cold slop regardless, that's how gw's customers work

>>96351893
There war no 40k dreadnought that occupied the niche of the double cannon leviathan.

>>96351893
>then it means they're not buying the 40k dreadnoughts
No, that's not what it means.

>>96351898
and? you think people don't convert, proxy, or don't have a budget that stop them from buying all dreadnoughts?

>>96351903
Mate that's like saying that buying a redemptor is preventing people from buying a repulsor. No. If someone wants both, they'll buy both. If someone doesn't they wouldn't buy it even if the other one didn't exist.

>>96351880
No they didn't

>‘You’re a fool,’ Actae tells him. ‘Before the fall of the aeldari, there was no fourth power of Chaos. The gods of Chaos breed and multiply, propagating like storms through the empyrean. They are born in turn, though they have all existed forever. Time has no meaning for them. The fall of the aeldari did not cause the birth of She Who Thirsts, merely her occurrence. So too with all other gods, be they foul entities of Chaos, or divine forces of sentient power.’

‘She Who Thirsts was born out of the death of an entire sentient culture,’ says John.

‘Such is the inevitable fate of all advanced, psychic species,’ says Actae. ‘And the Dark King is our fate. This war, my lord, is not one of loyalists against traitors. It is not about the conquest of Terra and mankind by Chaos.-The End and The Death vol 1

>>96351893
>then it means they're not buying the 40k dreadnoughts
This is your brain on poor.

>>96351900
Yes, it is, if you offer a hundred different dreadnoughts products, most people won't buy a hundred dreadnoughts, they will make a choice between that hundred, making some of them sell a lot and some not sell as much specifically because a better option exists.

Some products (and on a way larger scale, all products) step on each other's feet.

>>96351909
>John
Perpetual shite, best disregarded.

>>96351905
>Mate that's like saying that buying a redemptor is preventing people from buying a repulsor.
It is in a way, if the dreadnought didn't exist, more people who would have bought the dreadnought will end up using their budget to buy a different product to fill their army's points.

>>96351913
its stated in just about every chaos daemons codex too

>>96351917
Then post that instead, you little flibberty pidget.

>>96351920
I was responding to someone talking about what occurs within the end and the death, maybe read the conversation before jumping in next time

Name my chapter. Used the PD chapter generator and rolled up a contrarian SW successor that was founded to be Inquisitorial attack dogs. They're codex compliant and use librarians and they're also colossal assholes who enjoy purging entire populations at the inquisition's behest. They also happen to worship the Omnissiah and are buddies with the Mechanicus for some reason. Ideas for names so far is basic stuff like variants of Iron/Steel Hounds/Wolves or War Dogs. Generally keeping the canine them feels appropriate, like an Inquisitorial fuck you to the Space Wolves. Some reference to metal to reference the Omnissiah as well.

>>96351922
Then he's a retard too.
>>96351880
That's not what happened, retard.

>>96350973
i still havent painted one apart from kitbashes ive used as proxies but so far it would have to be this. i could either use it as another weirdboy (already have a goff rocker for that) or chuck on the back of a trukk with a speaker system and a few bottles of fungus whisky (if thats a thing) lying around

>>96351925
Inquisition would not use SW successors, and SW would not allow their successors to be used by the Inquisition either.

>>96351930
That's what makes random rolling dumb shit like that funny though.

>>96351925
kerberian hounds

>>96351925
Hounds of the Chalice, the chalice with an unblinking eye representing the Gaze of terra, and the wolf contained in the chalice. The name hounds implies the domestication of the wolves, and their place as a weapon of the Inquisition.

>>96351930
That's why they are "his dudes". You can even see this new chapter being bitter to the OG space wolves for rejecting and hating them. Similar to the rivalry between wolves and dogs.

>>96351925
>space wolves
>inquisition
>mechanicus

>>96351920
>you little flibberty pidget
whoa

>>96351960
>Knot
hehe

Any decent Black Templar codex scans yet? The Russians on VK only have the rules.

>>96351971
take it, brother

>>96351960
kek. Along with >>96351949 however, it kind of works with a theme of 3.
>>96351954
I like this too, you even made a symbol. Especially the point about hounds. Only concern is getting the symbol onto their shoulders if I end up making a small army of them. And yeah, the Space Wolves are going to fucking hate their guts and the feeling will be mutual.

I'm considering bringing this list to a 1k local tourney

Putrid Princes (990 points)

Death Guard
Incursion (1000 points)
Mortarion’s Hammer


CHARACTERS

Lord of Contagion (110 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Manreaper


OTHER DATASHEETS

Deathshroud Terminators (140 points)
• 1x Deathshroud Champion
• 1x Manreaper
1x Plaguespurt gauntlet
• 2x Deathshroud Terminator
• 2x Manreaper
2x Plaguespurt gauntlet

Foetid Bloat-Drone with Heavy Blight Launcher (100 points)
• 1x Heavy blight launcher
1x Plague probe

Foetid Bloat-Drone with Heavy Blight Launcher (100 points)
• 1x Heavy blight launcher
1x Plague probe

Myphitic Blight-Haulers (90 points)
• 1x Bile spurt
1x Gnashing maw
1x Missile launcher
1x Multi-melta

Plagueburst Crawler (195 points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
2x Entropy cannon
1x Heavy slugger
1x Plagueburst mortar

Plagueburst Crawler (195 points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
2x Entropy cannon
1x Heavy slugger
1x Plagueburst mortar

Poxwalkers (60 points)
• 10x Poxwalker
• 10x Improvised weapon

>>96352004
Burn in hell.

>>96352004
that looks so fucking aids its unbelievable. how the fuck can someone deal with that list?

>>96352004
what's the reward for the tournament?

>>96352035
wait for it to get nerfed

>>96352035
Since it's a tourney I bet people will be ready byt it's still aids as fuck with how obertuned DG are right now.

>>96351556
Fem and hermaphrodite marines in EC only via some fucked up slaaneshi curse/boom

>>96352040
Balance Slate should be by the end of this month.

>>96352049
>Balance Slate should be by the end of this month.
I thought the new dataslate wasn't due until early next month. Is there new info /leaks?

>>96352031
>>96352035
Your reactions genuinely make me want to take them. To be fair Im also playing against WAAC lists like double vindicators, double Hekatons, double Slaanesh Daemon Princes and double World Eater Forge Fiends
>>96352038
The ultimate reward. $30 in store credit (this does not include the $3 entry fee)

>>96352057
Leak was posted a while back. DG, GSC and Knights to the ground, SW small nerf, WE nerf and buff, Orks big buff is all I remember.

>>96352063
hey isn't this drawn by the paedo artist?

>>96351720
They can't use psyker powers or their souls get sucked off by slaanesh.
Craftworlders can buy they use the paths to hone their souls and minds for it, and use runes to access the warp less directly.

>>96352063
You might have problems with lists like 50 Berzerkers though but it's pretty fucking aids even for a tourney list.

>>96352067
no
https://x.com/101ho_

>>96352063
>The ultimate reward. $30 in store credit (this does not include the $3 entry fee)
Really? I thought it would at least be 50

>>96352067
no idea, but he doesn't know how to draw knees, look at the mess that's isha's right leg

>>96351758
You forgot 4. Don't cross Vect

>>96352063
well if thats the case do your worst, as long as you're not a waac individual yourself. if you are there to piss off waacdudes then by all means, bring your aids list. i havent played DG yet but just by looking at the datasheets of those models id auto lose (as an ork player though, apparently DG are one of our worst match ups)

>>96352067
jarvis, check this mans hard drive and phone storage

>>96352064
>Leak was posted a while back. DG, GSC and Knights to the ground, SW small nerf, WE nerf and buff, Orks big buff is all I remember.
Awesome. Anything for vanilla marines?

>>96352079
Lelith crossed him and he did fuck all
Malys crossed him and he did fuck all
Yvraine crossed him and he did fuck all
Aestra crossed him and he did fuck all

He's a sissy wimp.

>>96352085
nerfs

>>96352089
>nerfs
So, standard operating procedures for 10th edition. Got it.

>>96352064
>orks big buff

they will just nerf taktikal brigade again

>really slow at playing games
>still struggle to play competitively

what happens if you run out of time at a tourney? i get that games go for 2.5 hours, do you have a designated amount of time for each turn? what happens if i play green tide and proceed to spend forever in my movement phase?

>>96352094
>AdMech
>Nefring
Lol. No, wait. James? Seriously?

>>96352094
They really are testing how bad they can make Codex Vanilla Marines before everyone stops playing them...

>>96352094
>SW
Please don't

>>96352094
makes me think what nerfs gsc would get. is there anything they have thats considered OP? surely they wouldnt give the ridgerunner a points nerf or something

>>96352094
what is there even left to nerf in Codex: Space Marines
Are they killing Gladius?

>>96352094
>CK mentioned
>No IK mentioned
Uh
bwos?

>>96352105
>Are they killing Gladius?
I guarantee it.

>>96352101
I still don't get it. What the point of nerfing your "face of franchise"(c)? Its not even strong army ffs, iys mediocre at best

>>96351925
Dogs of War?

>>96352107
Codex must be dropping around the time of the slate

>>96352110
it's not even mediocre
marines and orks right now have the lowest winrates and lowest top table representation

>>96352067
different gore fetishist

>>96352108
>>96352105
It's literally because any other Chapter is better with Gladius rather than their own detachments....

Noob question. Why does my spray primer look like this with these weird holes?

>>96352123
WHITE PRIMER IS THE DEVIL

>>96352004
if it's a friendly tourney everybody will hate you
if everybody is trying to cheese for the equivalent of an hour of work then yeah sure, but i'd cut one plagueburst for another drone and blighthauler. or cute pbc, add drone and another unit of poxwalkers and give the boss an upgrade

>>96352094
Funny because Black Templars released to a 70% winrate. Though they use mostly vanilla units and their chatacters/rules.

>>96352110
>What the point of nerfing your "face of franchise
It could be my fault. I got a recent event win with firestorm. What nobody knows is that it was pure luck with my parings. I could never replicate the results in a million years.

>>96352123
Strip it in isopropanol and try again.
Looks like the weather was wrong, or you didn't shake the can enough, or you sprayed from too far, and the paint dried into flakes before hitting the model

>>96352123
normally it would look fuzzy if you primed when the weather was either hot or cold but that looks like its been eaten away by something. the spray cans have a small % of acetone in them dont they? dont think its enough to melt minis though

>>96352123
You primed too close or inadvertently touched the miniature with your gloves while it was drying.

>>96352123
its mostly due to humidity, shake the can better and try to avoid priming during humid days, also keep the model at an arms length and do small side to side sprays

>>96352123
You sprayed too close, bubbles formed, then popped and you holes.

>>96352123
It was either too humid, too hot or you didn't shake the can enough. It can happen with white and off-white rattlecans.

>>96352104
Maybe revert the 2RP for the Purestrains back to 3RP because getting 75pts worth of models was a bit too good. According to Floof, the nerfs are a bit unwarranted because the reason why GSC does well in the tournaments is because everyone else just spams Knights or Deathguard of which the GSC is good against. Once they're nerfed into ground, less people would be playing them thus reduce GSC's high winrate.

>>96352129
Too far would be an uneven coat. Too close is when bubbles can form.

>>96352117
plenty of both outside of tournaments, imo theres too many ork players at my lgs

>>96352110
Do you want to know how gw sees marines? They're a trap: the newcomer gets caught by them, loses himself into the sprawling range he has no hope of collecting in its entirety, and only then realises that marines are not good, either because the models pale in comparison to those of other ranges or because the rules aren't that good.
GW wants this dynamics and exacerbates it because they want newcomers to lose themselves in many of their ranges, not just one, the first one is just the immediate sunk cost.

>>96352134
>>96352138
So what weather, exactly is good enough? I'm scared.

>>96352123
Get an electric toothbrush and go over the whole model. Don't use the one that you brush your teeth with. It fixes this 90% of the time. I had to learn to do this priming in one of the most inhospitable places on the planet.

>>96352151
>most inhospitable places on the planet.
Phoenix Arizona?

>>96352153
nothing wrong with a half-painted half primed army if he's building up and just wants some games in while taking his time

>>96352151
its siberia isnt it

>>96352154
Northern Territory, Australia

>>96352151
>Don't use the one that you brush your teeth with.
was the necessity to specify it born out of experience?

Best kit to outsource a Heartkyn leather coat from? was thinking from pioneers to have the non-rider taken out and have the gun just autonomously hanging but maybe there is better one that just ends up spare?

>>96352160
No. I'm just scared that someone will do it if I don't mention it. I don't like any of you, but I don't want any harm to come to you either.

>>96352148
humidity is bad 70-90 is good. I have an indoor spraybooth set up its pretty cheap do there are kits on amazon

>>96352145
Good theory, but why Stormcasts are fine as solid mid tier army? They almost same as space marines in their role of "Face of franchise, starter army, etc etc"

>>96352110
Marines aren't weak but their range is so massive both in models and rules that if the average marine army was playable it would mean there are at least 5 or 6 different lists that are gamebreakingly overpowered. Instead they all get hit with the nerf bat so they're good when extremely optimized and shit the rest of the time.

>>96352094
Very well deserved
Ive had 10 games as DG since codex and lost only once to Thousand Sons.
I won the rematch
Only reason I won against Knights was because twice my Launcher drones high rolled and one shot an Armiger
They are hilariously overtuned to the point its actually hard to fuck up making a list for them

>>96352171
because stormcasts aren't as popular as marines, so they don't need to make their rules worse to make people realise they're lame

>>96352180
>Marines aren't weak
>Lowest winrate ever(excluding obvious IA)

>>96352187
They are top-3 of most selling armies desu. So they are popular

>>96352121
Hot

>>96352063
I'm not sure why people want Russ to get with Isha considering she's colossal used goods at this point.

>>96352193
Because they are in each and every starter, remove that artificial and they plummet.
Plus gw is desperate to make stormcasts popular as of now before they can start treating them like marines.

>>96352197
pretty sure russ is the used goods atp

>>96352161
the leather coats are integrated into the body armor, dont think you can really get them as a separate piece

what are you trying to do?

>>96352193
>top-3
nah, there's way more armies that are more popular

>>96352197
interracial cuck fetishism

>>96352180
they're actually pulling up worse results than Imperial Agents right now in terms of competative winrate

>>96352204
its fine if its part of the armor. I just want to get spare kahl from bits insired by the old store-limited one

>>96352166
Tsundere-anon!

Iron Warriors brutalizing slaves is absolute kino

>>96352211
Where is the Custodes buff?!

Word Bearers kill team WHEN

>>96352211
do you see the 0s in the other 4 catagories. agents is like 8 games total.

>>96352248
Custodes are probably going to go up because DG is the worst possible matchup for them

>>96352260
They also MIGHT get some new units soon-ish.

Trade is immoral. Mining is sin. Industrial farming must be stopped. Mon-keigh are fully out of control.

>>96352268
You're describing squats, knife-ear.

>>96352268
Except eldar mine materials for wraithbone?

I'm tired of 10th edition but I know 11th will double down on every mistake.

>>96352191
>>96352211
Marines will always have a depressed winrate but the Ultramarine build is strong. The problem is that it's the only build there is, which sucks for an army that has like 10 detachments and 2000 datasheets.

>>96352211
Base marines will never be playable as long as GW allows special chapters to use base detachments.

>>96352291
The ultramarine build is really struggling to win too. That's the issue. They're not stomping tournaments with the UM build, even the optimized UM builds (INTO armies they should have an advantage into like Knights!) are struggling

I hope World Eaters wont get hit too hard... then again, eh who cares. Khorne doesn't care where the skulls come from.

>>96352296
How the fuck can that be with the ridiculously inflated stats units have now? Compare what marine units can do in 10th with what they can do in 4th and they still struggle?

>>96352311
Marine Datasheets are just really bad

>>96352311
Everybody else got inflated as well.
>>96352296
To be fair if even UM are struggling then yeah. Honestly marines are a hard problem to fix but I do agree they probably need a bit of help.

Y'all shit on Blood Angels but they do be slapping.

>>96352325
they're just shit into the big 3 but are going to be broken once the big 3 get nerfed

>>96352316
>>96352319
We need a reset.

>>96352311
Marines just sucks. Literally any other unit from any other army can do better. And honestly idk how to fix them. There is no niche for them. In theory they should be jack of all trades and masters in none - so any newbie could pick them up and play however he want. In reality that said newbie just pick other army that fit perfectly into his desired play style

>>96352319
How would you even go about fixing them?

>>96352329
We need a new edition and new, better (more meta) models.

>>96352329
There's no point in a rules reset if you don't reset the rules writers that have destroyed warhammer since 5th edition

Marine sheets vs Chaos Marine sheets are like
We have data sheet vs the same data sheet but run and shoot/charge, the same sheet but lethals all hits, the same sheet but +1 to wound on all hits

>>96352340
Unironically let the heresy guys do it. For all the shit they get the new heresy rules seem pretty well balanced.

>>96352331
why arent marines T5 across the board? GW wanted the orc boy to be tougher than marines. now they are just... a naked child is T3, a marine is T4.

>>96352311
>Phobos Marines
the entire Phobos Marine range is essentially a waste as they have no killing power and are meant as skirmishing objective holders. But they're too expensive for that, and Scouts have the best ruels in the game, so nobody uses them

>Gravis
Gravis is supremely expensive (6 Aggressors cost the same as 6 Necron Wraiths!).3W should in theory make them super bulky but big Damage 3 profiles are everywhere now. Many armies can shit out D6+3 blast damage 3 shots so they're just straight up non viable. Costed the same as Terminators but melt to big guns.

>Tacticus
Intercessors hold objectives well but the special squads lack firepower. Bladeguard are great, Hellblasters are okay, but mass damage 2 isn't worth building a 300+ super unit that constantly blows itself up. Desolators are kept shit, infernus marines are a joke.

>Firstborn
intentionally kept shit

>Terminators
Geuninely the worst in the game, neither of them have rules and the nerf to Thunderhammers makes even the Assault Terminator profile terrible. There are like 8 characters to attach to Terminators but neither squad does anything - even the BAD terminators

>Characters.
Great! Guilliman and Calgar are great which is why you can only ever run UM and nothing else

>Tanks
Most tanks fucking suck. The Preds/Vindis are a straight downgrade compared to Chaos due to the inability to access sust/Lethals, but they're still among the best options. The best Marine options are worse versions of a mid-tier army's units
>Primaris tanks
They're very, very specialized. A lancer is great, but a reaper is too matchup dependent to see use. The Repulsor and the RepEx have great firepower but struggle to access strats to boost themselves and BT does it better anyway

Basically every Marine range sucks or is a straight downgrade to another army that can take it with none of the downsides. 9000 datasheets, all bad.

>>96352345
One the one hand, yeah. On the other I categorically hate that all those special rules like lethal hits come out of their asses instead of being inherent to the weapons. Feels cheap and gamey.

How do I make my blood angel scouts look appropriately gothic?
any real life references?

>>96352334
This edition is a wash
>reduce overall AP in 11th
>gut rerolls except for CP reroll and a few other limited instances like twin linked
>SM new army rule is Gladius Strike Force's detachment rule
>increase the point costs of high toughness models

At this point I'm even in favor of something more radical like bringing back the tax or some of 2e's more robust vehicle rules so the mass wave of gigacreatures, tanks, titans, and monsters everyone shits out can experience jams and have weapons destroyed.

>>96352372
Overall AP being down is one thing they did manage to tackle this edition, except for some armies like DG who are intended to be hyper-lethal within 9'' you do get a save most of the time and it's not like before where every unit could trivially hit AP-3 or -4.

>>96352345
>Marine vs Chaos Marine 'Big walker that does damage 3'

>Space Marines
D6+1 Blast shots, has to overcharge for damage 3, 12 wounds, 2+ no invuln, -1 damage, t10
>CSM
3d3 blast attacks, so normally 3d3+3 (average result is higher than the SM's peak), overcharge adds Dev Wounds, can get Sust or Lethals through pacts, 12 wounds, t10 3+ but has a 5+ save so against AP3 (most anti tank) it fares better

CSM is also cheaper by 30 points

>>96352372
>>96352381
No amount of AP reduction will matter as lon as they keep rending AP instead of the old AP system. And cover saves.

>>96352382
Now compare it to its true equivalent, the boxnought.

>>96352370
hoods and more pallid flesh, like vampires that haven't learned to cope with the sun or their thirst yet

>>96352352
I'm constantly very mad about this shit. We are dogshit. Termies are overcosted and dogshit. Our generic troop transport has an anemic capacity and costs 80 points. Firstborn, Predators, et al are overcosted and shit intentionally. We have anti-synergy all over the place and the army that should be "flexible semi-elite infantry with specialists to fill in the gaps" has been reduced to "bumbling retards just mildly bad at everything"

>>96352334
Considering even all the special chapters are using Gladius because it's just that fucking good maybe they should just do the DG move and make Gladius the army rule straight up.

Marines have to have the worst rules because they are the only faction that doesn't need good rules to sell.

>>96352430
To be fair the only good Termies are the Death Shrouds and Deathwing Knights. They're like melee gods that are designed to get a drop and assassinate shit. Afterwards they are immobile bricks

>>96352444
So is an abaddon termie deathball not good this edition?

>>96352440
Tactical Doctrine WAS the army rule until this edition. That's just going back to what worked. Oath of Moment was the big flash in the pan that got successively weaker as points went down and unit counts increased over the edition.

>>96352441
Being in a starter set is a better incentive to sales than having good rules.

Try not having marines in a starter set for a few editions, see what happens.

>>96352447
Sounds pricey

>>96352444
DWKs are pretty mediocre, absurdly absurdly overcosted, they're 50 points to a DST 40 points with similar durability but much less killing power. They're also extremely reliant on Gladius to not get bogged down.

>>96352382
Loyalty is it's own reward

>>96352444
#firstinallthings

>>96352453
>Try not having marines in a starter set for a few editions, see what happens
This will never, ever happen for even a single edition. Marines are what sell the other half of the starter box. Taking the marines out gives you Blood of the Phoenix sales numbers.

>>96352444
Custard Termies are good, Wolf Termies are fine.

>>96352447
it was really strong at the start of the edition then they nerfed it INTO the fucking GROUND. same with the mutant cultist guys and the transport cheese and the generic chaos lords.

>>96352466
As much as I am happy for our boys in bone, I play a generic successor chapter and would like to not be the marine who was cucked to death.

>>96352468
GK termies are very playable thanks to uppy down shenanigans. Paladins have the narthecium now, too

>>96352467
>Blood of the Phoenix sales numbers.
nah, that was due to absurd pieces and very old models added into it for no reason.
a better comparison would be the sales of a marines-less kill team boxset compared to one with marines.

>>96352430
>Our generic troop transport has an anemic capacity and costs 80 points.
Rhinos are great. They just don't let anything good ride in them.

>>96352458
it may be but it is also extremely fluffy

>>96352449
To be honest I just don't understand doctrines this edition. They don't seem to fit their supposed theme like they did in other editions, even 9th.

>All this talk about mariens being shit

>Meanwhile my w/l with one of the bad detachments is almost 80%, half of those games against waacfags.

>>96352467
>Taking the marines out gives you Blood of the Phoenix sales numbers.
I think that box being inexplicably double the price as the other PA boxes while also being ful of 20 year old models was a bigger factor.

>>96352512
I think GW was a hair away from APM 40k

>Every army has doctrines
>characters all have fighting styles as well
>every army still has their book of stratagems they've had from 3 editions
>custom subfactions are still the most powerful

>>96352485
I can personally attest that both the Kasrkin/Necron and Aquilons/Vespid boxes were instantly sold out and scalped to hell as fast or faster than some of the Space Marine Kill-Teams. Either guard players are just as rabid for their models or GW intentionally prints a lot more copies of everything with Space Marines in it.

>>96352505
You know what I was talking about. If I ever meet a GW exec I'm shoving an impulsor up his ass

You marine players cant stop crying can you, almost on the same level as csm players

>>96352524
I think some killteams are just cooler than others, like which space marine killteam has honestly been that cool?

Vespids and jump pack scions are both really cool and they go together well

>>96352517
nice.
what do you run?

>>96352517
Lets see the list anon

>>96352519
>>96352485
Yeah, people forget that box was $230 on release at a time when battle boxes were usually priced at $165. And full of VERY old sculpts nobody wanted besides.

>>96352517
How often do you play?

>>96351028
I thought those were bra cups at first

>>96351385
Its Joker from The Batman!

>>96352067
>NONCE ARTIST NONCE ARTIST REEEEE
Every single thread, get over it pussy

>>96352581
He's just farming for (You)s, ignore him.

Anyone know when the Christmas boxsets are announced? Which factions do you guys think will get one this year?

>>96352581
Why promote such degeneracy?

>random point changes I pulled out my ass and posted here are being shared around as official leaks
ruh roh

>>96352588
I had a normie friend who just knows there art from non 40k stuff and she was like "they apologized and seemed sincere" idk. even random normie xitter fags know he made pedo guro art.

>>96352586
Marines (because theres always marines)
Dark Eldar (To move old stock before the range update)
Votann
Tau

How would gw go about fixing orks now? Just wait till 11e? I dont think points reduction on certain units will do much

>>96352612
Tau got one last year. How many do they normally release, 4-5?

>>96352615
Probably by releasing new models for you to buy that have better rules than the models you currently own.

>>96352598
Not the first time this has happened desu

>>96352625
My bad. Yeah its usually between 4 to 6 but 2-3 of them are always some form of marines.

>>96352524
>Aquilons/Vespid
Even if you don't like the models that box was a steal. Rulebook, cards, equipment sprue and a whole board of terrain for that price? The biggest win of the new KT is that one of those boxes has everything you need to play with a full board of beautiful plastic terrain.

>>96352628
i think it has placed some knight players on suicide watch

Tfw you get an awful kit bash idea but can't unthink it
putting the long nose plauge drone head on a saturnine praetor as part of a lord of contageon conversion

>>96352549
2-3 times a week.
>>96352534
Firestorm
>>96352537
I’ll post it later, pastebin is being a cunt. Basically it’s a BgV Death Star led by an LT and adrax, CH with Vulkan, two impulsors, 2 squads of infernus and incursors to go in said impulsors, a squad of scouts, and 12 eradicators. LRR to cart the BGV around and a Ballistus for cheap firepower.

To be fair I still get folded like laundry by Eldar and the boogeyman factions atm. I’ve mostly been playing tau since the last balance patch and only have a ~30% with them.

>>96352635
>praises the beauty of the contents
>purposefully base said contents so they are in dissonance with the table

>>96352645
Not good enough. We need to push them into actually attempting it.

>>96352468
>Wolf Termies
Are they actually any good? Their tankiness seems redundant since Wulfen, Wolf Cav and Headtakers can just take a shield to get the +4invul and then proceed to hit harder and move faster

>>96352655
I'm just autistic and can't deal with ruins not having bases, buildings are more than just a straight wall. But it looks closer in person when there sin't a reflection on the mat.

>>96351925
Iron Hounds is a really cool name

>>96352598
Yeah, I saw some of them being reposted in the competitive discords and couple of guys in the know quickly called them out as total bullshit. But that doesn't stop them from spreading when people are hungry for changes in an oppressive format.

>>96351096
>bringing 2 DDAs and a wraith brick to a teaching game

>>96352598
As is tradition

>>96352781
It sure is.

>>96351096
ooo I have that same jungle mat

>>96352347
It's not hard to balance a game that's 99% marine mirror matches

>>96352626
Orks aren't marines.

>>96352467
KT did just fine with both a krieg/ork starter and a Scion/Vespid starter of all things.

>>96352808
40k had always operated on equivalent terms between factions so that's no excuse. Current GW just hates standardization and consistency for some reason.

>>96352808
You're right. GW has to kill the other factions. I vote we start with the ones I don't like.

>>96352830
They are already doing it to Chaos Daemon

>>96352810
We're Scions/Vespid the starter? I thought that was a fomo box and the actual starter was Space Marine Heroes and Plague Marines Heroes.

>>96352094

what is the possible "slight buff" for CSM? Failed dark pact now inflicts 1mw instead of 3mw?

10 warptalons cost 10pts less?

>>96352864
SM and PM were starter
Scions and Vespid was the 3rd edition big box with lots of terrain

>>96352864
marine vs stinky marine is the "40k starter set" to scion vs vespid "Leviathan Box"

Here's what i've just discovered.

Any 2000pts roster i'm trying to build costs in a 1150-1420 euro range, mostly within 1200-1300 euros.

I tried 2 space marins, 2 sob, 2 orks, 1 csm, 1 tyranid, 1 tau rosters.
Everything just fits into that range.

Go try it yourself, anon: create roster and them go to warhammer.com and add all the units to cart and see the total cost.

Idk, maybe Imperial Knights or Custodes may be cheaper, i didn't check. But it seems that we've found that real money cost of the model is a part of formula that determines it's ingame cost. it's hilarious.

And GW expects us to spend about 1200-1300 euro on a 2000pts army. That's what the show in their presentations for executives.

Shit, i'm going to buy 3d printer.

How Donut Steel is it to have a chapter that has a 0th company

>>96352909
>buying each item individually instead of box deals
ngmi

>>96352909
Nice research anon. Good work

>>96352909
I buy from recasters myself but I pick up some boxed sets or a model kit from GW proper here and there.

>>96352918
Meaning?

>>96352918
Very donut steel. Coldsteel the hedgehog-tier. Do it anyway.

>>96352918
Dumb asf, if you want a secret company just forgo the codex astartes general command structure entirely.

>>96352946
>>96352953

Very veteran terminator force, almost like a secret police. If a relic were lost it would be covered up and you send in the 0th company

>>96352615
>Just wait till 11e?
Probably

>>96352909
>Go try it yourself, anon: create roster and them go to warhammer.com and add all the units to cart and see the total cost.
GW doesn't sell half my army anymore so you can't really do that.

>>96352963
That just sounds like the deathwing

>>96352963
Just play dark angels dude

>>96353002
>>96353011
I don't want to play a traitor legion

>Your army is broken?
>Oh, the new edition will fix it.
>Still doesn't work right?
>Well maybe the balance data slate will fix it.
>Oh, well that was just the points change one. The next one will change rules.
>Data slate didn't change your army at all? Well you do have a codex release coming up soon so maybe the codex will finally make the army work.
>Wow, that is a stinker of a codex huh? But maybe the final points and FAQ will make it a lot better than it looks.
>Huh, well I'm sure your army will do a lot better in the new tournament pack when they change up the rules and terrain placement a bit.
>Still struggling? But GW did mention your faction by name when talking about the upcoming data slate and that means big changes are coming your way.
>What do you mean your army still doesn't play well. You just got a ton of changes in the dataslate. Maybe play more games
>The army is actually worse than before because everything else got buffed even more than your army did? Well, that sucks.
>Maybe your new Grotmas detachment will fix the big problems and give a new playstyle.
>Hmm, I think this is funny but maybe not actually good. Maybe they'll fix it up a bit later.
>45% is a respectable tournament win rate and I really don't think they see your faction as having a problem anymore.
>But they're still not fun to play?
>Well, maybe the next edition will change that!

>>96352918
My chapter has two scout companies because I really like scouts

>>96352918
Make an eleventh company you are not a computer you do not start counting form zero

Thoughts on using the Slaughterbound as a CSM Termi Lord?
Would do some work on one of the arms. Either replace the mutated one or just put a bolter on the arm after cutting the weapon.

>>96352988
you're veru special =*

>>96352918
Grey Knights officially exist in the setting which are the most Donut Steel chapter anyone could ever make. /yourdudes/ concept is fine and fun.

>>96353014
Dark Angels are not traitors, they're just dicks.

>>96353037
This is why I play narrative and open play most of the time.