Thread 96363482

Blood Ravens Edition

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>>96360390

>Thread Question(s):
What is your favourite chapter? why?

>>96363482 (OP)
My own. Because my autism is an eternal self oxidizing fire.

>>96363482 (OP)
Secret Santa doc left out of OP (again).

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15jNMk0oCTOWQkXxVetQqP-_mrNLjzggRR9wnmwkPMkM/edit?usp=drivesdk

>>96363482 (OP)
>TQ
Blood Angels, because Sanguinius is cool as fuck and my noble/monster space vampires have some of the best drip in the setting At least they used to

>>96362138
>pic
btw

>>96363482 (OP)
>TQ
tsons
because they have a very pretty color scheme

>>96363482 (OP)
I dont feel like spamming the secret santa link everytime OP forgets it. I'll remind people on Saturdays.

>>96363482 (OP)
RIP Captain Cyrus.

>>96363482 (OP)
>TQ
/mydudes/ chapter ofcourse.

>>96363521
He'll cross the rubicon and be fine. Don't Worry anon

Why no one uses any units from the Leviathan set besides the Dreadnought?

>>96363536
he was already primaris in that cinematic
and they cremated him at the end too

>>96363521
turning into primaris was just too gay for him

>>96363540
people use terminators and sternguard and the biologis all the time though?

>>96363482 (OP)
>What is your favourite chapter? why?
The Witchers because they are handsome and pull chicks.

So Blood Ravens are Thousand Sons, right? They better confirm it in DoW4

>>96363547
Really? Never seen any lists with them and even in this thread multiple people were lamenting how bad the Terminators are.

>>96363558
people use models even if they're bad anon

>>96363555
They are definitely not Thousand Sons. There is 0% chance for it happening. They would be dust or mutated by now. ADB, the lead narrative writer of 40k wven confirmed that whatever they are they are definitely not Thousand Sons.

Popular theory is that they are Word Bearers.

>>96363562
I don't believe you.

>>96363574
>ADB
Lol good one. Almost got me there.

>>96363574
He's such a garbage bag for doing that.

>>96363574
no, he didn't
he said he didn't want there to be a definitive answer

How would one go about making an alpha legion army?

>>96363574
Not all TS mutated, and the Rubric specifically required the names of every person it affected so if some were left out they wouldn't ever be dusted.

I got this plastic mini doll, what now?

Guess who's coming?
Imperial agents expansion
I can feel it
>TQ
Crimson Fists
Space Sharks
Lamenters
Absolutely hate Space Wolves

>>96363619
>Absolutely hate Space Wolves
Tell me more.

>>96363613
Get some legionaires, paint them the right colors, the legionaire kit comes with chaos transfers which include alpha legion so you can use those too

>>96363618
Now stick it up your butt!

>>96363618
Hang on to it for 20 years and sell it.
Stonks.

>>96363613
with phobos marines kitbashed into chaoshood

>>96363521
Could be a Retribution thing whe he's killed in certain campaigns only, kinda like Thule dies in the Chaos campaign or how the Eldar and Ork campaigns are mutually exclusive because each opens with one killing the other's leader and snatching tge contract the other had with the Inquisition.

>>96363482 (OP)
>Thread Question(s):What is your favourite chapter? why?
Lamenters. Yellow and checks are kino
>>96363618
Build him. Then paint him

>>96363482 (OP)
>TQ
mydudes
otherwise blood angels, black templars and blood ravens

Sometimes psychopathy pays off.

>>96363662
i wonder if someone has made an angel winged daemon prince conversion from siggy

>>96363540
they made them bad because people already own them

>>96363668
His hair and cape really get in the way, but i imagine if you dont glue those on it'd be pretty easy to.

>>96363671
yeah you'd have to skip the cape obviously, and a daemon head is a given anyway
i just like the idea of a mix of awe-inspiring majesty and purity mixed with a horrible looking mutated head

You're as beautiful as the day I lost you.
I'm in between painting them as Crimson Fists or Blood Ravens.

>>96363662
That trim looks great anon! You gonna do anything with the purple panels?

>>96363677
It can work

>>96363662
Looks great. The question is, did you have fun? What were the points that did not feel fun and why?

>>96363684
Yeah ill do the kind of highlighitng i did on my nightlords but in purple.

>>96363689
Honestly painting some of his backside was annoying. But thats about it.

>>96363700
Excellent

>>96363677
>>96363662

I think even if he just has the cape that the sculpt looks agile enough that you could see him jumping pretty far(flying)

>>96363684
Oh yeah I also wanted to paint some slaaneshy eyes on his chest pecs but I dont think I have enough room.

>>96363700
Did you give him nude buttcheeks

>>96363482 (OP)
Raptors

>>96363712
Naturally.

I dont have an updated pic, I painted his ass with highlights too.

>>96363541
Some other guy mentioned a chronomancer was fucking with him in the trailer. Could be doing some time bullshit during him possible futures?

>>96363626
kill it with fire

>>96363770
They can't talk because they are still chaplains in training right? What would be the point if not to execute him?

>>96363779
Nobody mentioned judiciars?

>>96363574
>ADB confirmed
One or two dusty old forum posts that you have to go on an archaeology expedition to uncover aren't official confirmation of anything. They're less canon relevant the sloppiest BL schlock novel.

>>96363785
I only realized that after the fact.

>>96363662
I told you in the last thread that the gold highlight in the dark fold wasa bit weird to me, forget what I said, it looks great like this.

Why is the thread so slow?

>>96363801
Me too
>>96363795
Nice im glad you like it.

By the way I forgot to ask, anyone have some color suggestions for the base? I wanna make it pretty dark, so Im gonna make the ground a simple brownish and the pillar maybe a black with some marble effect on it? But I dont really know what would be a good set of colors for the
>broken statue
>broken fancy tiles
>broken stone.

Got some more paint on my Echamp, slowly getting closer to 500pts of Votann. Oil wash then final highlight.

>>96363820
Everybody's painting

>>96363820
Im assuming the resident schizo got ranged banned or grounded by his mother.

>>96363835
This is gonna look great after oils

>>96363820
Everybody's stunlocked by the incest lore drop last thread

>>96363662
Looks like a Final Fantasy boss, I love it

I wish I was this good.

One more week before they anounce a new single Archon model and ignore Malys for another six months

>>96363869
Well keep practicing then. This is very good but definitely achievable by a regular person if you put in the effort.

>>96363869
Takes a lot of time being bad, ok, then just pretty good before you reach being actually good. No way to skip it, no sense in being ashamed of it either. Gotta have fun on the journey.

I should stop at painting shit at 2am. Applied metallics but I spilled a lot of stuff that I need to correct. I'll use bronze later as an accent color alongside steel.

>>96363835
This guy is coming out real nice anon. Good work

>>96363874
She's an 11th edition box set release with new wyches and other stuff
At least it will make her cheap on ebay since multiple of the box leave you with extras

>>96363842
You bet, just hope the pigment wont grab the surface as much as last time.

>>96363907
>She's an 11th edition box set release with new wyches and other stuff
I don't think GW is eager to take another blunder since none bought CWE refresh

>>96363881
this 100%. I'm bad-ok still after like two years back into the hobby but I'm more happy with my stuff every model.

>>96363881
Whats the barriers between "ok" and "pretty good"? I consider myself "pretty good" but then I see stuff like >>96363869
and I don't even know what the painter did to achieve these results.

>>96363869
You have to be unafraid of being bad if you want to get good

>>96363881
What skills do you think are important to practice to get gud painting?

>>96363921
>since none bought CWE refresh
All but two of the new kits sold out within a day of pre-orders going up.

What kind of armies are chaos marines playing these days? We don't have any chaos players in my local meta, couple khorne dudes and a lot of plague marines though, and I'm getting tired of being pigeonholed as having to play roboute calgar superfriends

>>96363950
They were supposed to sold-out within the hour.
Eldar flopped hard, this is why they are less relevant than Votann now.

>>96363482 (OP)
>TQ
Currently going through a Gauntlet of what are widely considered the 'best books' for each chapter to help me decide.
Right now:
>Iron hands
>Blood Angels (flesh tearers specfically)
> Death Guard
> Exorcists

>>96363933
bad is obvious, okay is getting your colors on the right places without being sloppy, pretty good is being able to identify what that guy did and try to emulate it

>>96363947
Persistency.
Persistently painting on a regular basis is a skill. You can't get good at painting without spending many hours getting good at painting. You cant spend hours painting if you don't take the time to sit down and paint.

>>96363947
I'm no master myself by any means, but anything that catches your eye, I'd say. Look up new things that you don't know how to do, and try them. There's no real defined order of technique A then B then C. It's art not math. Just keep trying new shit and you will get better, shrimple as.

How long does it take you guys to paint up a squad of guys? Ive been at these dudes for 2 weeks and theyre barely started

>>96363957
The only official comment GW has ever made about Eldar resale is that they sell "surprisingly well" during one of their reveal shows.

>>96363989
gotta learn batch painting skills
it's a really underrated skill that even the pro painters neglect because they are nogames and get paid showing off cool models to make you feel penis butter and jelly butthurt
I can't give advice on this be myself everyone finds their "groove" but it's about standardized practices so you get the same result every time and then applying that one step at a time to a whole squad

>>96363482 (OP)
I need all the burgundy and cream you have

I’d buy deldar if they were cheap on the second hand market

>>96363933
Bad is doing basic shit wrong, ie thick paints, pooling washes, conspicuous mold lines and assembly issues. If you're retarded you end up here forever.

Ok is painted to a basic standard, but is treating the models as purely a rote paint by numbers experience with no real thought to lighting or technique. "Table top quality" painters without any more advanced ambition end up here forever.

Pretty good is when you have the basics down solidly, and are focused on artistic expression, ie getting actually thoughtful with the lighting, trying new techniques, adding soulful little touches, and so on. Also tends to include getting good tools and a decent lighting setup.

Top quality is just a what happens when you get to that pretty good stage but never stop trying to learn, there's no hard barriers, just learning new techniques and improving your understanding of light and color over time.

Made progress on my collage character, but at great cost (rip tessarect green pot).

>>96364013
Aren't they? I know I picked up a huge lot of them at a mega discount like three years ago near the end of ninth (3000+ pts for 400 dollars). Maybe the people dumping them after the Drukhari codex got nerfed the third time finally dried up.

>>96364027
Nice color scheme anon

>TQ

Celestial Lions because FUCK THE INQUISITION

>>96364036
Thanks lad. This model was a first shot at doing a custom mix of paints for the teal. Turned out alright.

>>96364027
Looking good anon. Technomancer gang.

>>96364044
That's a very cool purple

>>96363989
I'm not a good painter, and the style/scheme I am doing for my first army lends itself to that. I painted my squad of six companions casually over the course of about two weeks for last months collage. I have been working on this months entry for about two weeks as well, and this is how far I have gotten. If you paint to a higher standard then it will take you longer, or if you opt for a mostly contrast job it will take less. So it really boils down to what you are going for.

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>96364037
Do we ever get a canon picture of Ekene Dubaku?

Also, seeing the hand made me think that if and when Dorn gets brought back they'll probably give him the Emperor's power claws.

>>96363989
2-3 days tops

>>96363989
I don't paint every day and I'm slow, but a squad might take me just over a month. I average 1-2 guys per week, they're CSM so they have a lot of trim and extras. I started last month's collage squad of 5 Terminators on the 10th and I had to hustle to get all 5 done on the 31st.

>>96363854
Now that you mention it, thats pretty cool.

>>96364114
Every day I weep that DoW3 had such a perfect trailer and the actual game was shit

>>96363989
Don't stress too much about it. Focu on having fun and mindfully making note of the steps you're doing so you can improve on them. First comes frustration, then comes understanding, then comes speed

>>96364027
Currently doing steel basecoats on my dude rn

>>96364114
Reception seems positive so far, and it's avoiding the DoW3 pitfalls from what I've seen. Big armies instead of moba-lite, multi faction campaigns, sync-melee (even better than just sync kills, which 3 dropped entirely). I dare to hope.

>>96364139
>mfw my favorite games of all time are Diablo, Dawn of War, and Homeworld
3 is a cursed number

Why haven't they made a 40k Custodes ARPG yet?

>>96364163
That's a nice vibrant red on the coat. Teeth highlights are fine, lovely stuff lad.

>>96364177
Steals any potential for an Aos game

>>96364179
Thanks anon, I'm really happy with him. What if I told you the skin, flesh and teeth are just 1:5 bezerker bloodshade:contrast medium over wraithbone

>>96364114
people who touched it at gamescom said it's very promising so far

>>96364108
This is what I'm talking about. Thanks anon its nice to know im not the only one

>>96364163
Looks good so far anon and I don't mean to be rude but posting him each time you paint one part of the model is a little much.

>>96364190
If it works, it works!

>>96364194
>touched
What the fuck why are normal words giving me erections now

>>96364177
Give me a character action game with Lelith

>>96364216
Rogue Trader

>>96364003
>The only official comment GW has ever made about Eldar resale is that they sell "surprisingly well"
And this speaks alot.

>>96364220
>character action

>>96363482 (OP)
>TQ
Dark Krakens
Because they're marines that do water stuff.

I was debating converting my Impulsors/Repulsors with those track conversions, but desu I think for a rapid amphibious assault hover tech makes sense.

>>96364207
Just posting updates on my collage entry lad, relax.Either way there's not much left to do so you won't see him too many more times before the collage
>>96364213
I get a lot of satisfaction with fiddling with simple techniques to get what I want out of them

they should make a game where you get a job as a bathing assistant for sisters of battle, and also at some point you are kidnapped by the tau and then they put you to work in a tau women's bathhouse

>>96364271
They should give all the woman long songs.

>>96364271
You're not allowed to make any more posts until you've jerked off.

>>96364271
Switch it to custodes and you're on to something

>>96364281
bro I'm straight jorkin it everytime I'm posting

Has there ever been a story of Tau fighting off Necrons? Did they even stand a chance? What did they think of the Necron technology?

>>96364287
Actual image of a Custodes and her ward.

So... is it just me, or does Kill Team 3e just... not encourage narrative play? I just want small missions with /mydudes/ but almost everyone I've played with at different shops in my area all seem more concerned with the mechanics...

>>96364313
sounds like a (you) problem

>>96364313
That's a pickup game thing regardless of rule sets

>>96364313
Kill Team went the way of 40k where the mechanics are technical more refined, consistent, and balanced but the fantasy of what they are supposed to represent has been eroded away or in some places completely absent with no lore explanation at all.

>>96364316
No for real, last time I actually mentioned the names of my dudes when I put them down, my opponent thought it was cool but seemed really surprised.

>>96364319
>>96364322
Darn...
I got into 40k for the fun of making characters and stories in this absurd universe...

>>96363668
Sigvald would make a really good basis for making that one sorcerer from Mephiston: Blood of Sanguinius who disguised himself as a holy angel while trying to claim a psychic amplifier. I can't remember his name, but I envision him as looking like Innocence from FF14.
God I wish Warhammer had a more comprehensive wiki like Wookiepedia sometimes.

>>96364329
Play narrative games. Theyre a lot more fun than matched play.

>>96364313
Not at all, the game actively encourages you to bring the one correct loadout for each team, or for the Chaos Guard team it had dumbass restrictions like “if your SGT. has a plasma pistol then no other model can bring a plasma weapon”

>>96363685
There's a reason he's the basis for so many Sanguinor conversions. He's a damn good model.

>>96364313
play necromunda or 40k crusade

>>96364329
>find a homie
>tell him loser bottoms
>lose on purpose
>?????
>aquire narrative game pal
2ez

>>96364334
Lexicanum not up to snuff?

>>96364346
NTA but not really. Its a mess

>>96364345
Wise, I should try this with my wife, she plays.

>>96364352
Ah darn

>>96364346
There's a fuck load of characters that aren't on there. Like the antagonists from Blood of Sanguinius. Can't remember their names at all because I listened to the book at work and don't actually know how it was spelled.
Meanwhile Elan Sleazebaggano appears in Star Wars for 15 seconds and get a whole biography about him.

>>96364336
Thanks fren

>>96364339
Darn...
In previous editions I had a lot of fun making dumb teams (see: [mostly] grot team for orks in KT2e) for fun. They weren't mechanically good nor "correct," but you bet your bippy they had fluff.

What do you gents carry your armies in? Thinking of buying some shit off scamazon. The shoebox ain't it anymore chief. I've always been interested in the steel toolbox method but I can't fucking find any locally for some unfathomable reason.

>>96364429
tupperware with a steel sheet and magnets on their bases

>>96364078
Only this one anon

Is the creepy anon who tries to determine who people are on here by how they type still around? I wanna post models, but don't really wanna be psychoanalyzed.

>>96364429
I have a big suitcase thing with foam inserts for infantry, then I just put vehicles in a tupperware box and blutack them in place

>>96364287
>The Emperor spent 10,000 years surrounded by naked female custodes.

>>96363540
Sternguard saw lots of use at first. But fell out after Oath was nerfed to only affect the HIt roll.
Terminators are still staples.
The Lieutenant is a good objective monkey with his Lone Op and ability to skedaddle when enemies get too close.
Apothecary is still used.
I see the flamer and dreadnought the absolute least.

>going into a crusade using Emp Kids
>look into their rules
>army wide elixirs and personal drugs
>most basic and easily available army elixir which is an army wide buff is a +2 to move to all your units
>even if you lose every game you will always have enough ingredients to make it
>+2 move to the rush down advance shoot charge army
If this is the fuckery I get from the get go. What crazy shit do others get?

>>96364561
people bring tons of ballistus though?

>>96364569
>?
No.
Not to any tournaments I've been to.

>>96364571
>anecdotal evidence reliable? Local man says yes

>>96364572
>dumb zoomer asks question
>gets mad at answer

>>96364575
you're the one getting mad here bud

>>96364554
>Custodes are the best soldiers in the galaxy and they're all on eternal guard duty to protect a giant palace and a corpse
I know its long been retconned but I like this more than the custodes have super spec ops across the galaxy and actually doing stuff.

>>96363828
anyone got any ideas?

>>96364582
lol
lmao
cute projection, kiddo

>>96364590
>kiddo
yeah, you're seething lmao

>>96364590
Mad cus bad lol

>>96364591
>>96364594
>can't provide argument
>ur mad!
Riveting.

>>96364575
I didn't ask a question, I made a statement contradicting you and you got mad immediately

>>96364599
Yes that's what (you) did here >>96364575

>>96364600
You made the retarded zoomer response of putting an unnecessary question mark. I made fun of you. You can't stop seetihing. But enough of your pained pooper.

>>96364605
>zoomer zoomer zoomer umad zoomer
this is just sad bud

>>96364605
I would say ironic shitposting is still shitposting but it's pretty evident you're actually just this mentally stunted

>>96364605
>seetihing

>>96364605
>zoomer response of putting an unnecessary question mark
retarded or ESL?
Call it

Why does gw deny traitor guard so

>>96363678
blood ravens

HALT
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THIS IS A TEST

POST YOUR MODELS NOW

>>96364651
Hard to sell a kit of IG with spikes and make thei different enough from IG to be interesting. Same with dark mech.

Assuming the quality is decent and wargear is accurate on the model, do you think people will care if I use definitely-not-printed truescale/upscaled MK3 armor for my Space Marines in 40k?

>>96363482 (OP)
>TQ
Black Templars. I love both them and the Dark Angels for their knight aesthetic but there's something in particular about the idea of being a religious zealot going on nonstop crusades against xenos and heretics in the name of your emperor that is just extremely appealing to me even though i'm not actually religious irl
I'm hoping to start building a BT army after i'm done with my current one

>>96364567
Imperial guard can get free rerolls off the bat but need to win between 2-4 games to get access to saucy stuff.

>>96364672
Theyre not done

>>96364672
behold
my models

>>96364741
It’s gonna be sad seeing you go 11th edition.

>>96364741
Ever since I heard these old fashioned bases as "golf course bases" I can't not see it

>>96364672
Already posted earlier in the thread.

>>96363482 (OP)
Why does anyone play this game anymore?
I've always loved the lore but the monumental task of painting an army is incredibly discouraging

>>96364770
Do it like pic related

>>96363482 (OP)
Dark angels.
The hoods really do it for me

>>96364781
Whatever space marine chapter gets bikes that don’t look like shit will get my money. Whether that’s chaos or loyalists. Sadly dark angels might be what gets them.

>>96364770
>the monumental task of painting an army is incredibly discouraging
how

>>96364770
That's the wrong mindset. It's encouraging because look at all those dudes you can have fun painting! Then after that you get to put them on a shelf and passively farm dopamine looking at these cool things you made.

>>96364793
Chaos is still using the biker models from 3rd edition. They're due for an update soon(ish) and would be a great opportunity to bring back DOOMRIDER! NANANANA

>>96364741
oh yeah i painted a new model for this army a while ago but i haven't taken an updated army pic yet

>>96364810
the only cool EC

>>96364770
Not everything is for everyone. If reading lore alone is what you like, then reading is your hobby. There is nothing wrong with that, but Warhammer encompasses building+painting, and/or playing with your models.

>>96364720
Away with you sisterfister

>>96363521
Could be a nod to them not being able to get Steve Blum back for it. Wonder if Scott McNeil will come out of retirement for some of this, gonna miss hearing dinobot coming out of the chaos captain.

>>96364853
blum was in the cinematic

>>96364833
>but Warhammer encompasses buying models.
fix

>>96364770
You don't have to paint them well, or at all, to play the game.

>>96364855
Oh nice, completely missed it

>>96364672
Some lads

>>96364770
Hobbying isn't a chore, it is the hobby.

>>96364793
I thought chaos got new bikes

>>96363482 (OP)
Black Templars because black, white, and red uniforms and space racism is *chef's kiss*

Losing my goddamn mind waiting for the new kill team box. Surely next week right? Surely it won't be a slopfiller week?

>>96364781
>>96364865
>>96364885
Whoah pride parade of /40kg/

>>96364891
Killteam is the slop filler

>>96364839
>>96364893
>>96364899
Real /v/ermin hours

>>96364904
It’s not wrong to call Killteam slop filler.

>>96364916
trying too hard to fit in /v/ermin

>>96364904
oink-oink

>>96364925
Yes we already had you pegged as a /v/ermin invader you didn't need to reconfirm it for us

dow4 announced
time for the /v/ermin to flood in

>>96364935
>homo fantasies
Colour me surprised

going to try contrast paint for the first time for the blue on my free monthly blood claw. any tips?

>>96364951
Do you want deep shadows/an excuse not to subassemble? Slap chop. Do you not want to do that? Prime white.

>>96364959
i was actually going to do subassemble for the first time with it too

>>96364941
But isn't that better for The Hobby and ergo for /40kg/

>>96364951
get contrast or lahmian medium and thin it roughly 1:1 before applying, and it starts to dry fast so work section to section, don't slop it all over and then go back to clean it up or you can rip the drying acrylic
use multiple coats with 30-50 minutes between them if necessary

>>96364951
Rise your brush every single panel. The issues people run into with coffee staining is aggravated by paint starting to thicken on the brush. Apply a lot at once and then wick away the excess. Brushing over a thin layer prevents the paints from performing as they are intended

>>96364966
Coffee staining ain't all bad if you like the grimy uneven look

>>96364951
be careful to not let it pool
I messed around a while back with contrast paints on marines and other mostly smooth/flat surfaces, you can make it work but the clean up means it doesnt really save time compared to usual techniques. Some nice colours in the contrast range though

>>96364970
it is that bad, it doesn't ever read as anything but badly applied paint

>>96364970
That's how you end up with models like the fecalfag

>>96363536
He already is but it's more likely a scene from one of the non-BR campaigns

So did you guys all decide to put orange on your models together or is the same thing wrong with all of you independently

>>96364993
Yes yes here's a (you)

>>96364672
Here are a few of my homies as usual

>>96364978
Fuck you

Man, the Space Wolves release was received with a deafening "meh"

As a BT player I am pretty envious of the Wolf Priest though, a Chappy and an Apothecary in one unit, fucking unfair.

>>96365012
Everyone loved the new model releases for SW, what are you saying?

>>96365012
>Man, the Space Wolves release was received with a deafening "meh"
are you high? It was received with wide praise for abandoning the wolf-wolf shit
Remember to ignore the decalslopper response above me

>>96364971
how do you go about preventing pooling? im still relatively new

>>96365016
You are such a freak

>>96365018
Rinse the brush and go back in. The wash will soak into the brush like paper towel dipped in water. Do that and also spread it around with the brush to evenly distribute. It's pretty intuitive once you start trying.

>>96365018
the steps mentioned in that post and these too >>96364965
>>96364966
if you want a visual guide eons of battle is unironically a wizard when it comes to working with contrasts on marine armor

>>96365014
>>96365016
Where I am (Austin) they couldn't move the army boxes for a long time and all the game stores have tons of inventory. They're not popular here at all. Their rules were also just kind of okay. Sagas are a cute gimmick but not all that strong compared to other books that have been released.

>>96365031
>>96365032
thanks and ill check it out too

What are your guys' thoughts on those new speedpaint markers?

>>96364778
NTA but greyscale could make for a fun scheme.

>>96365048
Its basically contrast paint where each pot comes built in to its own brush?

>>96365048
Good for chaos trim

>>96365048
seems better fit than normal paint markers since you wouldn't have the issue if paint flowing when you didn't want it since you're not doing precision work with speedpaints

>>96365000
Your red reminds me of period blood

>>96365092
stop giving him attention

>>96363957
>> flopped hard
> sold out within the first day of release (I was literally fishing from 5 AM till 4 PM, it was all gone)
> restock happens
> instantly sold out again
The only way I got a hand on some new ones was waiting for the paycheck piggies “needing to cover real expenses and can’t afford to have 7 armies” (a tale as old as time). Their loss was my gain. You obviously don’t pay attention to that which you’ve already made your mind up about

>>96365102
>replying to 6 hour old bait
kill yourself

Are there still people here who say 'flop' anytime something doesn't sell out immediately
What was even the last big release to do that

>>96365118
krieg
before that dark angels
world eaters before that

>>96365104
> reading through thread now
Don’t fucking care, touch grass faggot

>>96365125
No excuse for dragging up old bait, kill yourself subhuman

>>96365130
Must suck being ailed by Parkinson’s so you shitpost on here instead of painting

>>96365137
Imagine getting this angry and defensive over being told not to make the thread actively worse
Real malformed brain hours

>>96365118
Auric Champions box.
>femstodes leaks
>custodes battle box stays in stock for months instead of selling out immediately
Pretty funny.

>>96365139
It was mainly because they had genuinely ass riles

>>96363482 (OP)
>TQ
I don't really like marines that much but I guess the Raptors

>>96365142
>riles
What?

>>96365145
He meant rules. Custodes were ass on release

>>96365098
What are you the police, stfu.

>>96364429
I use these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DK6L83CJ
juuuust fits 2k of marines

>>96365163
lmao I love the just barely blurred official model photos

So I'm contemplating a 2000 point salamanders (new detachment, vulkans detachment) army.

May or may not include Vulkan.
I own 3 Infernus squads of 10. I was thinking a couple of leaders attached to them. Cut between lieutennant, justicar and librarian.

The second unit type I am considering of getting are Flame Pistol totting Vanguards with Jump Packs. Mainly for those pistol rules and detachment abilities mixed with spending some CP on stuff in melee with them.

For the rest of the army (roughly 700pts) I have little clue what to do. Could I include some deathwatch allies perhaps? I hear they have a lot of flamer stuff. I must be missing a unit that has a lot of flamers somewhere......
I included the salamanders detachment in the images so it's easier to answer my questions.

>>96365185
I believe dreadnoughts have flamers. Have you considered...

>>96365192
No I wont do 20 dreadnoughts.
They get only 2 max right?

>>96365185
>infernus leader
libby. infernus dont roll to hit and suck at melee
>vanvets
add a jump capn for those strats. but most people take the shields for durability
>fill out 1k list
3x5 eradicators
redemptor dread
land raider crusader/redeemer

>>96365048
Very hard to reach tiny spots with them. But they have their uses

>>96365195
Pearls before swine

>>96364893
>>96364904
Fuck ON Destinyfag

>>96365200
Eradicators or multimelta devastators would be my next question for you.
>>96365210
?

The PBC nerf is so stupid. I really don't get the hateboner GW has for this poor tank.

>>96365240
PBC?
I missed something.

>>96365227
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/pearls_before_swine#English

Which Primaris units will get Stormcasted in 11th Edition?

They all have the complexion of a leather handbag that had been left on the motorway. And yet, none of them is older than seventeen summers, Terran standard.

>>96365227
devastators are headed for legends, as firstborns with a bajillion weapon options. fast rolling is the thing now, units have 1 or 2 weapon profiles.

>>96365255
Understood.
>it just makes me want to make a full firstborn army made out of HH models

>>96365247
none
centurions are getting axed for sure
>>96365250
GW has literally never been capable of painting faces

>>96365247
Those goofy howitzer marines with jump packs that only came in the older combat patrol and nobody used.

>>96365250
What? Those are veterans space marines, they are probably a hundred+ years old each

We frigpostan, we frenspostan
>high resolution below
https://files.catbox.moe/i4dvjb.png

>>96365245
Plagueburst Crawler, DG tank.

>>96365270
Fug

>>96365274
>Been on the frig long enough to be completely surrounded by frens
Feels good man

>>96364429
Feldherr foam cases.

>>96365259
just play HH

>>96365263
suppressors?

>>96365281
Yeah that's it. Pretty convinced they're gonna be quietly forgotten about in 11th

It’d be neat if gw redid gravis

>>96365286
swap their toughness with termies ffs
give them 4 wounds to compensate for that and lack of invuln + doding D3 spam

>>96365290
No I mean design wise I don’t give a fuck about their game stats, you won’t catch me dead playing them on a table.

>>96365296
what's wrong with them
I think all primaris armor looks fine to good

>>96365298
Too big, not customizable enough.

Thoughts about this 1k friendly game list?

Emperor's Champion (105pts)
Marshal (80pts)

5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75pts)
5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75pts)

4x Sword Brethren Squad (105pts)
4x Sword Brethren Squad (105pts)
Ballistus Dreadnought (140pts):
Repulsor Executioner (220pts):
Impulsor (85pts):

>>96365301
watch out for teleporting units that like to take the random objective away from you
>scouts+indirect fire to kill the unit and then take it from you

>>96363482 (OP)
>lose to any other race 100 times
whatever
>lose to blood ravens 1(ONE) time

>>96363540
Terminators suck because GW wants to shill faction specific Termies
Infernus Marines are just kinda meh
Sternguard are very expensive and work in exactly 1 detachment, they also suffer from CURSE OF OATH (The fact that so many marine datasheets have 1 rule that just adds more lethality to Oath when it is quite literally the last thing the army needs)
Biologis is hampered by Gravis being absolute dogshit and the one good combo getting super nerfed

Combi LT is Guilliman's boyfriend

>>96365327
Begone npc

>>96365048
mfs will do anything except buy an airbrush

>>96365331
Muh ventilation

>>96365264
Obviously they wouldn't be teenagers, but it's not implausible that any SG would be on the younger side, at least in terms of their being marines in active service. Post Devastation of Baal they had only one SG left alive, and the chapter as a whole had fewer than three companies' worth of dudes. Then the SG were nearly entirely wiped out again on Wyrmwood. So it figures that their current crop would be relatively green, because they keep dying and recruit their replacements from a chapter where there are hardly any members left who served before the Third Tyrannic War kicked off.

>>96365328
Autism

>>96365340
Cope harder npc

>>96365327
>primaris but with 1W only

What are your hopes for the 11th Edition Launch Box? What factions? What units? What Space Marine flavor? What Xeno flavor?

>>96365357
11th will probably be chaos since we've had 2 Xenos in a row

>>96365348
You're the one seething here

>>96365357
>hopefully not Ultramarines
vs
>hopefully not Black Legion

>>96365357
>>96365367
>>96365370
Black Templars vs Orks

or

Black Templars vs. Dark Eldar (like 3rd(?) edition)

Thoughts on this 1500 black templars list? I will be up against plasma heavy dark angels.
Also is there a place I can grab the new stratagems? Our russian pedia friend didnt update the Templars yet. And newrecruit just have the points cost.

Here's the boys:

Terminator captain with combi weapon and relic sword
Castellan
Lieutenant with storm shield
Emperor's champion
Execrator with sword
Chaplain on bike

Crusader squad x10, 2 power fists, sword brethren power weapon, all chainswords
Sword brethren x10 all power swords and bolt pistols
Bladeguard vets x6
Sternguards x5 one heavy bolter, the rest boltguns, sarge has a power fisy
Terminator squad x5, 1 heavy flamer, sarge with power sword, the rest power fists
Outrider squad x6

Termi capt leads the terminators
Castellan leads the sword brethren
Lieutenant with storm shield leads bladeguards
Execrator leads crusaders
Chaplain on bike leads outriders
Emperor's Champion goes solo

>>96365357
Assault Terminator Refresh is almost a given.

why is the lord of poxes taking so long to appear in recasters....

>>96365357
Well.... I imagine since we just had the YEAR OF CHAOS and daemons are being "rumored to go away".... I see an upset in the warp.

I believe it's going to be Space Wolves versus Chaos. The range refresh just makes sense. Chaos Daemons would be the next logical choice.

They don't want Grey Knights being just Traitor Hunters... There's going to be a daemon codex.... All of the heroes are in print(most?) unlike half of the DE range among other sorry factions....


SW vs CHAOS is my guess.

My hopes though is for Eldar versus Votann. Both of them need the spotlight and desperately....
>I don't like either of them, but I can take the 'sacrifice'

>>96365357
everyone who isn't stupid knows it'll be Ultramarines vs World eaters

>>96365400
Why is he backwards

>>96365393
Shipping delays due to covid19, please understand

>>96365393
chinks have had it for ages dude

>>96365427
none of the ones i check usually have it

>>96365431
Check the ones you don't check usually

>>96365431
pic related has them

>>96365421
He is giving a speech to the rest of the guys

>>96365433
the only ones i know are the easy to find i'm sure there's some obscure chinese one on alibaba but i have no idea how to find em
>>96365444
assuming that's not a meme i have no idea who that is

>>96365400
Hazard stripes on a CAPE is kind of pushing it

What makes Obliterators appealing?

FUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK YEEEEAAAAAAHHHHh

Finally got an order in

>>96365458
There's not much place for them anywhere else, besides the skirt or sash maybe

>>96365461
you mean model or rules wise

>>96365479
rules

>>96365481
decent gun profiles, decently beefy and their biggest issue (they're really fortifications with an infantry tag) gets solved in renegade raiders, and renegade raiders also makes them a big backline threat because they can drop, pop pacts, get indirect and shoot off somebody off an objective
they're pretty shitty into tanks because their guns are casino cannons, but they clear chaff and marines pretty reliably and can even overwatch in a pinch. they once won me a game by covering a firing lane and wiping a 10-man unit of stormboyz in a single shooting phase
though their profiles are weird because there's almost never reason to use the first one, the anti-marine one is also better into chaff because BLAST and no save

>>96365284
>>96365281
I unironically like them and the other pistoller ones. They look like they're lazily gliding over the battlefield, without a care for enemy fire, laid back and taking potshots as they feel like it.
I wish GW did more with this style of unit.
I've got six of both and I'm tempted to grab more to do an all-jump force with them.

>>96365461
Their toes

>>96363515
Holy shit

>>96365393
What are you talking about? Its been available for months.

I love getting old models and seeing the effort put into them.

>>96365555
I will do my best to repaint him with the same level of drip

Was doom rider only for emperor's children back in 3rd or could generic csm run him too?

>>96365551
https://gofile.io/d/vv5QUt

>>96365357
Black Templar versus Dark Eldar again, just like the 3rd edition box but bigger.

>>96365596
None will buy it

>>96365461
They're chunky little fellas

>>96365577
https://youtu.be/oDfEcy7t6Cg

>>96365596
Are you the same BT autist who thinks they are the most popular chapter?

>>96365614
>they even got a commemorative bolter with everyone's names on it

>>96365616
NTA but they're not? Normies who only know 40k by a passing glance probably pictures a mix of UM and BT as a space marine.

>>96365616
It's less delusional than the guy thinking White Scars would be in a starter box

>>96363482 (OP)
Iron Snakes enjoyer
> Look awesome
> So easy to paint that even i can handle it
> They're sane, with no stupid gimmicks, like many others have
> They have good sense of humor
> They have story of betrayal, one of their companies has fallen to chaos, which is a good ground for drama and future conflicts.

I don't have space marines any more, i can't find old photos, so i googled picrel.

>>96365633
They were the designated cool subfaction, but like any thing that was cool or hip when 40k was niche it became lame when 40k became popular. Look at krieg, for years it was the designated cool guard subfaction and now if you ask the same normies they'll say the Maccabian Janissaries because a sloptuber did a video on them

>>96365642
...do you really think Maccabian Janissaries are more popular than Krieg? Are you insane?

>>96365357
Why do you think it will be something other than Ultramarines bikers, melee terminators and landspeeder with few characters vs Ork bikes, stormboyz and probably mega nobz?

>>96363482 (OP)
>TQ
Black Dragons are my favorite.
Made my own homebrew chapter based on them.

>>96365616
BT are the most popular chapter right now.

>>96365655
Ultramarines are the most popular chapter.

>>96365660
*were

>>96365642
Do you think real normies watch 40k slop tubers shorts?
Lmao, normies are parents, girlfirends, brothers, NORMAL people. If you watch some 40k videos you're not a normie. And these people have NO IDEA what the fuck a Maccabian Jannies is. They probably dont know guardsmen exists in 40k.

>>96365596
It's gonna be Ultramarines vs Orks.
DEldar won't be getting a starterbox for the very reason because they are DEldar. They are already very unpopular and vast majority of the playerbase doesn't give a shit about them.
And since GW makes most of their money at the begining of the edition it means they will include a faction that actually sells. Ie. orks.
Like orks are probably one of the best selling xenos army or the best selling army.

>>96365661
**are

>>96365357
marines vs orks
painted crimson fists and normally, but no specific symbols sculpted on the models

orks update boys, bikes, stormboys, lootas, nobs, meganobs, a new walker, looted tank, wyrdboy, bosspole, warboss, forcefield mek, zagstruk, grotsnik, plus baddruk, pirate boys and a pirate transport

>>96365673
>>96365661
>>96365660
>>96365655
Ask a normie what they think is a space marine.
They will call them Ultramarines but will picture a Black Templar. Maybe a blue black templar.
For sure there's more chances the symbol they imagine would be the Malta Cross and not a toilet seat.

>>96364672
Last game I had before vacation.

BT vs DA

I played with the new BT rules and they are strong

>>96365646
No, but they are the new hip thing to say youre into

>>96365681
if you ask a normie it's probably just titus

>>96365650
black dragons are really cool, were they ever confirmed to be salamanders successors or was it one of those "ok look they basically are but we wont confirm it"

>>96365681
A few years back a buddy of mine was getting into 40k via the games, and was talking about how they installed a mod for space marine 1 to play as a "blood marine" to this day I do not know what they meant

>>96365681
>Ask a normie what they think is a space marine.
They'll say ultramarine, specifically Titus.
Blacked Templars aren't the most popular chapter and they will never be the posterboys of the franchise either.

>>96365689
Khorne Berserker.
Blood for the blood God is one of the only 40k memes to penetrate into the normiesphere

>>96365697
Never again*
Remember that Crimson Fists, Black Templar, and Dark Angels have all been the poster boys at various times. Arguably Imperial Fists and Salamanders too.

>>96365689
Is your friend Badger?
They probably mean "Blood Ravens"

>>96365699
But the normies who have heard that don't know about khorne berserkers

>>96365681
They'll say ultramarines because they are plastered literally everywhere when walking into a lgs or warhammer store.

I do not understand this cope.

>>96365703
>Never again*
BT have never been the posterboys, it started with Crimson Fists, 2nd edition with Blood Angels and then onwards it moved into Ultramarines quickly.

>>96364672
I have not finished any 40k models in a while (other than chaplains) so here's an old pic

>>96365681
>Ask a normie what they think is a space marine.

>>96365723
3rd ed starter box though...

>>96365722
>I do not understand this cope.
It's just typical templarfag who can't cope with the fact that his favorite deus vult meme chapter is just an anomaly within the setting it is in.

>>96365728
by the time 3rd came around the idea was that each edition had a different chapter as the starter box

>>96365722
People enter a GW store, see pic rel on a poster. How do you want them to guess this is an "ultramarine"? Its obvious to us, but most people have no idea what the fuck an ultramarine is. You think normal people can tell a space marine chapter origin by their symbol at a glance?

Jesus, is the utter incapability to perceive the world in the eyes of others a speciality of /tg/?

>>96365732
Most people i know think bt players are insufferable retards

Guess it fits the bill

>>96365728
And it doesn't matter.
The actual space marine codex from 3rd edition is just Crimson Fists on the fucking cover.
And quickly after 3rd edition 4th edition rulebook is just a sledgehammer on the cover and the space marine codex is just ultramarines on the cover.
Black Templars will never be the posterboys of the franchise.

>>96365724
smooth basecoat on the dreadnought, were you planning on adding shading or layering or highlights or literally anything fucking else to it?

>>96365740
>"whoa cool what's that"
>"thats a space marine from the ultramarines chapter"

By your logic, why the fuck would they guess black templar?

2/10 last (You) from me.

>>96365740
>How do you want them to guess this is an "ultramarine"?
Based on the giant fucking U on their shoulder and then being painted blue.

At 6.5pts a piece does this make Poxwalkers the most "elite" chaff in the game?

>>96365743
At the time no, I was still kinda new to painting.
A lot of my shit from then is flat as fuck and I am working on going through my older shit to make it look not terrible.
Some of the early marines I did are are truly abysmal lmao

>>96365745
They wouldnt guess black templar either. They would just picture some blue powered armor guy with a cross on a shoulder somewhere, since it would be easier to picture than an upside down omega.
>>96365746
You think normal people can do that link? Really? Unironically touch grass bro.

>>96365723
You conveniently flied over 3rd ed quickly.
Black templars were created to be posterboys and THE space marines, because blanche didn't want to do the cartoony chapters.
https://youtu.be/NCOSao1KEQo?t=58s

But anon is dumb in thinking anyone thinks of them as posterboys todays.

>>96365706
Lots of people wouldn't even be aware its from 40k, but assume is from some dead minecrafter or other meme source

BTfags are the eldarfags of space marine players.

>>96365754
You are doing that thing where you're lumping everything and everyone you don't like into one weird hodgepodge caricature.

the only good primaris marines are black templars who incorporate a lot of firstchad cues and doodads that dilute the shartmaris cringe

>>96365752
>You conveniently flied over 3rd ed quickly.
Only on the rulebook, the codex had Crimson Fists on it.
And again, it doesn't matter for shit because Black Templars will never be put as the posterboys of the franchise.
People were coping that the 10th edition box set was gonna be some dumbshit like [random marine chapter] vs Tyranids. It's just going to be Ultramarines because Ultras are the actual face of the setting and will be that until the end of time.

>>96364672
Some Vashtor aligned Accursed Cultists I did a while back

>>96365760
It's not a weird hodgepodge caricature when it's real and happening in this very fucking thread currently.

>>96365762
>Only on the rulebook
and the starter
and the posters
you know, the posterboys stuff

>>96365766
So, it definitely is a hodgepodge caricature because it's not actually real anywhere else other than your delusional mind.

>>96365766
This thread is not an example of a generality anon. From what I gather ITT 40kg has a serious case of anectofal fallacy where they think something they experience in a niche niche bubble to be the reality.
We have a templar fag arguing uts the most famous chapter probably because he sees a lot of BT models being posted ITT
We have an anon arguing every day folks can name an Ultramarine at a glance just from a symbol on their shoulder.
We have an anon thinking all templar players are insufferable as a rule because of ONE guy being annoying.

People here need to go out more and stop thinking this niche bubble of this thread of a niche setting of 40k in a niche board of /tg/ for the niche hobby of tabletop wargaming in a niche website like 4chan to be reality.
The BT guy may be annoying, but he's right in how a lot of people ITT need to touch grass.

>>96365762
>It's just going to be Ultramarines because Ultras are the actual face of the setting and will be that until the end of time.
There is ONE possibility for a different chapter of marines to feature on the box even when ultras are otherwise kept as the posterboys

People in aos thought the gold and blue sigmarines were always meant to be the ones in the starter, until the latest starter broke that scheme and featured a relative fans favourite 'chapter'

>>96365799
The caveat being that the fan favourite gets to be on the LAUNCH box, while the gold and blue posterboys end up staying the posterboys on the STARTER sets after that

GW could do the same with, say, crimson fists on the next launch box, but keep ultras on the starter sets

>>96365804
the last launch box that didn't feature UMs flopped hard because space marine players didn't want to scrape off iconography

>>96365804
continuing on this

it's also reasonably likely that gw would consider doing this because launch boxsets are aimed at people who already know about warhammer and gw, more than they are aimed at completely new people, simply due to the scarcity of said boxes, so it makes sense for gw to add an extra flavouring of nostalgia on the launch box, whereas that's not needed for the starter sets

>>96365835
You don't need sculpted iconography to paint the contents in a different scheme.

>>96365799
>until the latest starter broke that scheme and featured a relative fans favourite 'chapter'
selling hecking fast?

>>96365844
Allegedly, but the previous set was redder, so who nose.

>>96365844
I can vouch that we also pushed the idea that leviathan flopped, its becoming a trend at this point

>>96365855
>>96365844
Isnt it more a price tag issue? In this economy, most people wont shell hundreds of bucks on toys

>>96365855
tortanic and its consequences have been a disaster for the /v/ermins

Thinking of going to a tournament but I'm a brainlet. How's this list? The drop pods are non negotiable. Detachment is firestorm.

Char1: 1x Captain in Gravis Armour (80 pts): Boltstorm Gauntlet, Power Fist, Relic Chainsword
Char2: 1x Techmarine (55 pts): Forge Bolter, Grav-pistol, Omnissian Power Axe, Servo-arm

5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75 pts)
• 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant: Heavy Bolt Pistol, Thunder Hammer
• 4x Assault Intercessors: 4 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol
10x Tactical Squad (140 pts)
1 with Tactical Squad, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Multi-melta
1 with Tactical Squad, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Meltagun
10x Tactical Squad (140 pts)
•
1 with Tactical Squad, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Multi-melta
1 with Tactical Squad, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Meltagun
6x Aggressor Squad (220 pts)
• 1x Aggressor Sergeant: Twin Power Fist, Flamestorm Gauntlets
• 5x Aggressors: 5 with Twin Power Fist, Flamestorm Gauntlets
5x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (90 pts)
• 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist
• 4x Assault Intercessors with Jump Pack: 4 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol
2x Invader ATV (60 pts): Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Twin Bolt Rifle, Multi-melta
2x Ballistus Dreadnought (140 pts): Armoured Feet, Ballistus Lascannon, Ballistus Missile Launcher, Twin Storm Bolter
1x Land Raider Redeemer (285 pts): Armoured Tracks, 2x Flamestorm Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Multi-melta, Storm Bolter, Twin Assault Cannon
2x Vindicator (185 pts): Armoured Tracks, Demolisher Cannon
2x Drop Pod (70 pts):

>>96365740
LOOK AT HIS LEFT HAND

>>96365883
Tacticals suck so your list is terrible
Codec Marines also suck so it's doubly terrible
Marines who aren't Ultramarines are even worse
You will lose.

>>96365888
That isn't helpful at all.

>>96365754
You are the eldarfag of /40kg/ posters

>>96365891
Tacticals, generally, suck. Most Marine infantry sucks. Tacticals are the cheapest ways to get bodies on the board but they are not particularly useful in terms of doing anything. Running them as Intercessors just for sticky objectives is generally considered better.

The Gravis Captain's abilities work much better solo and so he's not a great pick unless you're running him Solo in Gladius with Artificer armour for a cheap solo piece. Leading a squad, he's not actually that useful.

The Aggressors are solidly okay but they are very expensive for what they do. You will torch a squad, but don't make the mistake of thinking Gravis is good. They'll melt quicker than they melt enemies, which isn't that good considering a quarter of your army is this aggressor package.
Aggressors used to be great, but only as part of Gladius with an Apothecary Biologis and Fire Discipline (This is now nerfed)

As a result of so many Space Marine datasheets being terrible, you kind of always just want 5 intercessors to be sticky objective slaves. The Assaults are fine (but may want a foot captain to lead them) and the Jump pack assaults are great. The Meltaspam is also going to be a bit of a worry because

The Ballistus, Vindicators and such are good strong options, but make sure to grab the HK missile on the Vindis.

Your army also lacks Scouts, which are the single best unit Space Marines have right now and pretty essential to any kind of scoring game.

Drop Pods are a problem with Space Marines because (and this is really quite sad) Space Marines don't have many units worth dropping. You can try dropping some Intercessors to sticky, go for some Bladeguard if you want something to chop people up, or some Hellblasters for plasma fire, but most of the outcomes aren't good. You're probably thinking you can drop the Tacticals and blow up tanks with Multi Meltas but you will do 0 damage to most tanks as you wound on 5s.

>>96365747
Do you have any idea how much other factions pay for their chaff? Most are around 8 points per model or higher

>>96365747
anon at 6.5pts a piece poxwalkers are still the best chaff unit in the game

ork bros, post your army lists, i am in dire NEED of some inspiration

>>96365747
no

>>96365799
>People in aos thought the gold and blue sigmarines were always meant to be the ones in the starter, until the latest starter broke that scheme and featured a relative fans favourite 'chapter'
This only happened because AoS is a failure of a setting in everyway possible.
GW changed out the Golden and Blue stormcasts out because they finally have realized that blue and gold looks garish as fuck and doesn't work as a posterboy colorscheme. It's the same issue with Custodes, gold as a main color just doesn't look that interesting.

Another example the massive culling of the Stormcast line, it wasn't because GW now hates Stormcast and finally listened to the AoS fans.
No, the reason why they culled the range is because vast majority what was actually axed was the OLD original Fatcast shit which looked terrible, ie. it was stuff that wasn't selling well anyway. And GW also said in the same article that all of the units would return later anyway iirc, I might be wrong about the last part.
This doesn't suddenly mean that GW will go and axe the current intercessor kit from 40k. And they won't because that kit sells just fine and most people have no issue with the regular intercessors.


Anything that happens in AoS is not setting precedent, especially not for 40k. In reality it's just GW fixing and unfucking numerous dumbshit decisions it has made in the past.

>>96365930
Off the top of my mind
Termagants are 6ppm
Cultists are 5ppm
Gretchin are 4ppm
Cadians are 6ppm
Swarms are 13ppm, but they're 4 wounds

>>96365939
Of course they are, I'm just saying they're on the pricy side.

>>96365950
do you attach any characters to your neophytes? im thinking of giving them a primus as i like the rule and rerolling hit rolls is probably decent, i dont know if the rule can be used if that squad is in strategic reserves though

how many of you paint your minis separate to their bases? i like the idea so i can drybrush them in fuckin peace but the le paperclip in cork seems a bit excessive to me

>>96365985
I paint the mini, figure out where it sits on the base, leave a wide margin, then glue it to the base, then do the last bit of basing

>>96365952
>GW changed out the Golden and Blue stormcasts out because they finally have realized that blue and gold looks garish as fuck and doesn't work as a posterboy colorscheme. It's the same issue with Custodes, gold as a main color just doesn't look that interesting
except you missed the next post, they kept the gold and blue after that, just not on the launch box >>96365804
and the axing of stormcasts is no different than the axing of firstborn

precedents for one matter for the other

>>96365969
20 Neophytes with a Primus, given "a Chink in their Armor" enhancement is one of the hardest hitting combos in the entire roster. You start 20 man + primus in the reserves, wait for your opponent to come out of deployment then hit it hard.
>full rerolls
>enhancement gives lethal hits when coming from reserves
>detachment gives sustained hits and ignores cover when coming from reserves
>activate Primed and Ready strategem for critting on 5+ so you get both lethal hits and sustained hits on a 5
It's so good. Mining lasers are too swingy for they hit on a 5+ but if you do hit, you get a bonus hit and you can always rerolls. If you're playing host of ascension the unit is a must.
A unit of 10 neophytes are also pretty good by themselves, you can sticky your home objective, spread them around if your opponent has any deepstrike to prevent them from taking your home objective etc.
You also get to make some epic gamer moves with your cult icon. Say you have a few dead models in your unit and you're barely outside of the range of an objective. You can revive the dead models in the range of the objective at the start of your command phase, and since scoring occurs at the end of the command phase, you can both bypass the battleshock step and score points. I've won a few games with this trick.

>>96365963
That's 5 out of 30 factions. The average chaff unit is much higher

I know it might be petty but I'm legitimately sad and frustrated that Eldar aren't in DoW4.

>>96366028
they'll probably be DLC, Chaos is likely going to be a secret faction

I'm looking at this and all I can think is >illegal loadout. I've been around you autists too much.

>>96366028
Nobody would buy a admech DLC, or almost no one.
But lot of people will buy an Eldar DLC.

>>96366034
Just Chaos, all as one faction?
I could see maybe CSM plus a Chaos Knight or something but I don't think GW wants demons getting featured in anything 40k related right now.

>>96366041
>we're pretending admech aren't popular when mechanicus did so well

>>96366041
Eldar are more popular than most Imperium Factions that aren't Space Marines so I could see that.

>>96366046
>I don't think GW wants demons getting featured in anything 40k related right now.
Space Marine 2 is adding in chaos spawn next month

>>96366034
Maybe? I mean, in a interview with a producer he said there is going to be 4 campaigns and the story canon order will be:
Orks, Admech, Eldar and Space marines

>>96366038
Why? That spear thinngy is a
>Close Combat Weapon
so its perfectly fine to have.

>>96366053
you mean necrons?
I suspect DLC 1 will include guard, as they are already in the game to some extent,

>>96365993
>except you missed the next post, they kept the gold and blue after that
I saw that and it doesn't mean really shit if you actually think.
The real reason why they kept the original blue and gold as the posterboys is purely because the ship has already sailed. The stormcast have been blue gold for like a decade at this point, meaning they won't and really can't change it now.
If GW could go back in time and change the SC colors, they 100% would. But they obviously can't do that, so they are now forever stuck with blue and gold stormcast are the front and center of AoS branding.

It's like if GW now tried to remove ultras as 40k's posterboys after being that for like 30+ years and trying to replace them with something like Salamanders or Imperial Fists.
They can't do that and it wouldn't work because it'd be changing the entire branding of the franchise.

>>96366028
An obvious DLC race, alongside Tau and CSM.

>>96366061
>T'au
Wonder if the planet will be in traditional T'au space or if they'll utilize the wormhole

>>96366056
Yes, I meant necrons instead of eldar, had a brain fart

>>96366064
The base game takes place on Kronus, which was originally owned by the Tau during Dark Crusade.
Oddly enough the Eldar can be blamed for it falling into Imperial hands.

>>96366047
Mechanicus did well in spite of having Admech as protagonists cause it is a good game and have helped to make Admech more popular.

>>96366051
Chaos down are not daemons

>>96366047
Mechanicus had budget of the mobile game and got famous only for it's OST

>>96366047
Did it really?

>>96366094
Half a mil on Steam alone for what was essentially pitched as a shovelware game is quite solid

>>96366059
You're making no sense, on one hand you're saying they changed stuff because they wanted and could change stuff, on the other you're saying they couldn't possibly change stuff

if they can change the colors of stormcasts for the launch box they can change it for the starters too

and if they can't change stuff for the starters but can for the launch boxes then they can do so for 40k too without issues

>>96366059
>They can't do that
zoomies gonna zoom

>>96366100
DoW4 future looks bright.

>>96366125
Why would they do an all chaos box set for a starter set, it still baffles me to this day

dawn of war onslaught is releasing in 11 days and I still dont know who is selling this shit in my country

I hope DoW4 has a good army builder.
They should have some randomization in the unit models.

Big win if we get subfaction cosmetic packs.

>>96366125
Is there a better starter box?
It's so good they had to dial down a notch with the metoebrutus

>>96366170
I think indomitus was better, both factions were easier to paint and weren't chapter specific

>>96366173
Was it the one with the Death Guard?

hows this for a vehicle list?

vehicular manslaughter - Leagues of Votann - Brandfast Oathband (1975 Points)

Buri Aegnirssen - Warlord (110 pts)
Ûthar the Destined (95 pts)

Arkanyst Evaluator (75 pts)
Memnyr Strategist with Trivärg Cyber Implant (75 pts)

Hearthkyn Warriors (10 models) (100 pts)

2x Brôkhyr Thunderkyn (3 models) (160 pts)
Cthonian Beserks (5 models) (100 pts)
Hernkyn Yaegirs (10 models) (90 pts)
Ironkin Steeljacks with Heavy Volkanite Disintegrators (6 models) (180 pts)
Ironkin Steeljacks with Melee Weapons (6 models) (180 pts)

Kapricus Carrier (75 pts)
Sagitaur (95 pts)

2x Hernkyn Pioneers (3 models) (160 pts)

2x Hekaton Land Fortress (480 pts)

>>96366178
no, that was dark imperium

>>96366125
Nostalgia, working on a Crimson Slaughter Lord right now actually.

>>96366170
all the starterbox nowadays are pretty good and decent value. The starter boxes available right now are also like 80% discount

>>96366185
Ah the necron one
The necrons are cool in that one

>>96366179
>vehicle list
>only 4 vehicles

>>96366201
nta but I count 10

>>96366125
wasn't this notably the biggest box underpeformer

>>96366170
I think the ork one was better

>>96366212
I only had Black Reach and Dark Vengeance
I love the missile launcher lad

>>96366208
based on what? do we have data or insider claims?

>>96366206
pioneers dont have vehicle keyword, sorry

>>96366201
well the vehicles give infantry around them sustained 1 while shooting in this detachment, so i guess its not a proper vehicle heavy list but a one that gets good benefits from

>>96366218
the only numbers here are the ones pulled out of assholes!

>>96366219
>keywords
What are those again?
t. oldfag

>>96366233
at the bottom of datasheets are keywords related to the unit that key off rules or stratagems. motorbikes typically get the MOUNTED keyword

>>96363482 (OP)
Start playing Leagues of Votann

>>96366260
god I hope Votann isn't in DoW4

>>96365985
I generally just lightly glue to them to base when painting and snap them off if I think it'll be easier for basing

>>96366260
I don't think I will

>>96366094
Its like 7 years old by now, and has no multiplayer.. how long should such a game reach peak player numbers?

It sold decently and has very good reviews, what else could such a rather small AA game have achieved?

>>96366267
>mechanicus 2 (necrons, admech, votann)
>dawn of war 2 (necrons, admech, .....)
>space marine 3 (necrons, ......)

>>96366125
>>96366212
They both are awesome.
Value-wise, Indomitus was also quite good (and i'm biased because i really like Necrons), and AoM stays forever in my heart because of the terrain.

>>96366212
I'm getting old. I could have sworn that this box had black templars vs orks on the cover, but it was just me, painting the marines as black templars back then, and the word "black" on the cover.. wtf

>>96366260
>purple orks were fighting the squats all along

>>96366260
God I hope votann is is DoW4 (unironically)

>>96366244
Is it a good thing?

>>96366306
all dow4 factions so far have a big superheavy unit
necrons get the monolith, orks the gorkanaut, admech the dominus knight, and marines likely the normal knight

but votann don't have a superheavy unit, the land fortress is nowhere near big enough

>>96366316
Marines's super unit is the repulsor
So votann would be the land fortress

A bit off topic but is it the land fortress because it's on land or because the land guy discovered it?

>>96365919
>Running them as Intercessors just for sticky objectives is generally considered better.
My plan was to drop them on the middle objectives to saturate them with OC and the land raider so I figured I didn't need sticky and the meltas would be more useful. Should I still run them as ints?
>Leading a squad, he's not actually that useful.
I wanted the -1 CP to immolation protocols on the aggressors. Does that combo not work?
>Your army also lacks Scouts, which are the single best unit Space Marines have right now and pretty essential to any kind of scoring game.
I just never liked scouts and I figured the ATVs and jump packs would be enough for secondary play plus more meltas. I kinda wanted to fill the board with meltas.
>Drop pods
Should I replace them with rhinos? The plan would be the same, to run fast to the middle objectives and fill them with bodies and meltas and flamers while vindis and ballistus shoot from behind and jump packs and atvs run around.

>>96366322
probably not
the votann weren't in league with mankind at the time of the crusade, and we would have little reason to believe this out of the other things he discovered got reforgotten by the imperium

and the proper name of the thing is hekaton I guess

>>96366322
>Marines's super unit is the repulsor
Is that your speculation or is it confirmed?

>>96363482 (OP)
>TQ
Maybe Imperial Fists for all the fleet stuff and being able to recruit from Terra. Though it will never not be funny that Dark Angels are just "the chapter with literally everything"

Question for socialanons. I suffer from the tism so I require elaboration.

How do I broach the subject of correcting a rule with someone who definitely thinks it is something else without pissing them off? They hold the belief that the rule means this, when I know it does not. I have not confronted them yet because I don't want to piss them off. It's not too serious, but it's nudging me. Is there a good way to do it without sounding condescending?

>>96366330
Anon, I play a somewhat semi-competitive pod. Not full tourneyfag, but for 'decent' players.
Sometimes, I run a mass of Heavy Intercessors with the Ironfather that gives them a FnP.
Whenever I bring them to the middle objective to hold it, even with cover, I very often lose the entire group. Marine bodies are sadly a bit too weak, even if Tacts are pretty defensive for a point cost. Aggressors will be the same, you will not survive 'flooding' the board in cheap Marine bodies, as the ways to kill Marines are just too efficient.

-1 CP for Immolation Protocols does work, but it's a very expensive combo for not a lot of gain. Even against something like Non-Armour of Contempt marines, you'll be killing 7 models with flamers and that drops off a lot against stronger ones

Meltas are also kinda iffy as an anti-tank weapon since they are, most of the time, gonna wound on 5's into most things. Even with Firestorm, they'll be hitting Leman Russes, bigger Nid bioforms, Vindicators and the like on 5s, and you don't get a lot of shots.

>>96366346
>Huh, I watched a battle report and they used this rule differently. Do you mind if we get a 2nd opinion on this?
At which point you get the store clerk or a knowledgeable player to weigh in on the rule.

>>96366346
Core rule or codex rule?

how many special characters can say to have been codex covers?
I know calgar and abbadon can, but who else?

>>96366316
maybe they'll invent Votann's superheavy
Didn't the Dawn of War series invent/inspire several 40k units and minis?

>>96364078
What happened to Dorn's big chainsword?

>>96366208
Didn't they re-print it even?

>>96366346
when I correct someone I try to avoid saying YOU ARE WRONG. I'll be like
>So I looked at the rule in question and it actually says this blah blah blah

>>96366346
>dude, I'm pretty sure that rule is different in my book, is there a faq or errata or special codex rule you're using?
>can I see it?

>>96366364
>Didn't the Dawn of War series invent/inspire several 40k units and minis?

Not at all

>>96366364
not really, no

>>96365726
This game is pretty fun. I was playing it with my friends for the last few weeks.

>>96366340
>Is that your speculation or is it confirmed?
It is confirmed, 1 relic unit per faction

>>96366357
>>96366358
>>96366373
>>96366376
It's not a complicated rule it's a simple one. I was the one yesterday who posted about it with the dog picture. My opponent insists that cover does not improve the saves of models beyond their base save, when the rule clearly states that they do. My opponent instead insists it just gives a -1 nullifier. He plays marines, so it's possible he has misinterpreted it for his army (I know you cannot go above 3+ in cover).
To give an example, my ratlings have a save of 6+. With the benefit of cover, they have a save of a 5+. My opponent seems to think that the benefit of cover only negates the first AP, and so I would still need to roll a 6 to save.

going back to Dawn of War 1 is weird because like wtf is a Rhino, what is a non-Primaris Marine?

>>96366125
>but this old box
From years ago after which GW has done any of this shit. You can keep coping how you want but the box will be Ultramarines.

>>96366397
>what is a non-Primaris Marine?
only GW's best selling model kit for 50+ years

>>96366340
>confirmed?
I have no idea, this is just judging from the existing roster

I assume the big units are:
Ork: gorkanaut
Admech: Castellan Knight
Necron: Obelisk
Marines: Repuslor

The repulsor is just the primaris land raider, so if DoW4 is as they say a DoW1 successor, it'd make sense for the repulsor to be the big marine unit, and it has a lot of daka

will tourny fags back off of knights and death guard? can the next data slate save the meta?

>>96366399
>From years ago
Yet it's still hapenned. Which means your entire point was wrong since the start
>You can keep coping how you want but the box will be Ultramarines.
Okay and..?

Leviathan was just the best starter box right, tons of minis, lots of variety in them as well, even 2 big bugs and 2 medium sized bugs
there's a lot in there

>>96366397
>going back
If you are going back, you were there
Also how do you forget what a rhino is when it's also a CSM and SoB model on the TT?

>>96366410
If you only look at the nid part it was a great starter.
There is a nid part, and a mid part :^)

>>96366413
Not him, but i was kinda sad when i replayed the DoW1 campaign last week when i thought about when the last time was i saw a Whirlwind posted here, or a Predator.

>>96366418
Lost
Like tears in rain

>>96366362
There were a number of special supplements that fuck up the exclusivity of this club, and it all goes wack if one were to count campaign supplements.

>>96366418
Sallyfag posted his predator a couple days ago.

>>96366418
>>96366425
retroanon painted a whirlwind for the vehicle collage you doomposting faggots

>>96366397
It's home and it should be protected.

>>96366418
I got sad thinking none of the units in the game except terminators will survive another edition. They killed the army I loved and people cheered.

>>96366434
u mad?

>>96366407
There's also the precedent of DoW3 giving an imperial knight to marines though, if admech gets the shooty one, they might give the melee one to marines, especially if they're trying to make a big deal of the spectacularity of the sync kills

>>96366418
preds are still around (I have one I need to paint myself)
whirlwinds though...

>>96366397
The Rhino is being intentionally murdered for space marines rn despite the fact that we don't have a transport for a 10 man squad that isn't a tank so it's niche is right fucking there, the whirlwind is shit right now so you won't see it, but the predator variants show up in casual play and lists semi regularly.

>>96366450
just because admech has a knight doesn't mean marines have to have one too even if they had one before. it is like expecting grey knights to show up again for SM

>>96366450
>You're now aware wraithknights go full anime

>>96366450
DoW3 had the hero gimmick, DoW4 seems to take from DoW2 when it comes to heroes, allowing you to tailor them and change their equipment.

I don't know if it'll be a case of pick one and only one (like DoW2) or if they're back with the DoW1 system of heroes being unique units.


I think what's possible is that the huge units aren't limited to 1, so you could see multiple knights castellan in admech, or multiple monoliths with Necrons.

>>96366450
>>96366459
OH MY SCIENCE JUST LIKE ULTIMATE ABILITIES IN MY OVERWATCH!

>>96366457
Even razorbacks would see olay over the impulsor. It's just retarded. They want to kill some of the most iconic things about marines for what? To sell a replacement noone wants or asked for?

>>96366476
Space marine vehicles other than the land raider aren't iconic, they're just basic.

>>96366487
>rhino isn't iconic
bait or idiot?

>>96366489
brain zapped moron who thinks something plain can't be iconic

>>96366472
Sometimes it's ok to like over the top things.

>>96366418
Ive posted 2 predators here but I get lambasted for the decals on it so I try not to post them.

>>96366499
accurate depiction of 7th ed

>>96366499
Looks gay as fuck.
Besides it's unlore as well.

>>96366493
I didn't say that something plain can't be iconic, I'm saying that the marine rhino is not iconic, it's only plain.

>>96366476
If the razorback could take tacticus it would still see play. As it stands right now it's a to help deliver scouts somewhere deep T1 and leave a twin linked lascannon somewhere unpleasant up to 18" on the board. Something has to give with them either killing them entirely or upgrading the kits and rules.

>>96366499
This looks great.
This is great for a PvE game.
This sucks donkey dick when you're on the receiving end.
I don't want to micromanage every single fight to avoid all your OP hero abilities.

Game design wise it's also terrible for a PvP game because I feel BAD for pulling that off on another person.
Computers? Fuck 'em good.

>>96366395
He 1000% misunderstood the explanation of the rule in regards to space marines. You can't improve an armor save past a 3+ but a model with a 6+ against AP 0 gets a 5+ in cover.

>>96366409
>but your point
It still isn't wrong.
Wow, GW did some random shit in the past decades ago? It's not a guarantee of anything.
The starterbox will be generic Ultras because that is the safest bet for GW and it is the bet which will also sell the most since they can sell generic marine crap to everyone.

>>96366507
>it's unlore
did you make a new buzzword or did you misspell nulore?
because the knight was always described as eerily agile as a normal eldar, relatively to a titanic scale, and their reintroduction is 12 years old now.

>>96366508
it absolutely is iconic, you brain zapped moron

>>96366523
>it is described as agile, so that means naturally it should be doing backflip whirlwind hadokens and when it comes to a stop it doesn't move until its (twin) pilot(s) says 'nothing personal kid'

Newfag here. I started playing Rogue Trader and getting into the lore, and this random video popped up for me. I decided to watch this lispy fag to see what normies precieve warhammer as. A comment on the video got me interested however, talking about the old CEO Kirby and how he almost ran the company into the ground with false lawsuits and such and was wondering how much of that was true.

>>96366028
Atleast they will not hurt us anymore. Iron harvest was a very bad game. And eldar are still not being added in battlesector

>>96366476
>impulsor
Are insanely popular and pretty strong. Especially the BT variant.

>>96366528
Most normies who get into 40k ill know about the land raider, the rhino always seems boring in comparison as its just a box. It'd be like if Guard literally used a Tiger as their tank

>>96366416
The only bad thing about the Marine part was the Flamer guys.

>>96366540
Not him but I have a Rhino older than you.

>>96366523
>because the knight was always described as eerily agile as a normal eldar,
Yep, that's the problem, eldar are fragile and clumsy, so there are no way wraithknight could burst through orks like that without being torn apart

>>96366534
nta but yes
I would allow eldars to pull that shit and I don't even play them

>>96366528
No, it's not iconic, it's not recognisable, it's not representative, it's not important nor it's interesting, it's just the most basic and featureless unit transport of the game.
You think it's iconic because it's been a long-standing thing, or because it's attached to marines who are iconic for the faction and the setting at large, but that doesn't make the rhino itself iconic.
And repeating your cringe insult is not going to do anything.

new thread

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>>96366555

>>96366555

>>96366523
NTA but fuck it new buzz word

Lore is typically flowery written relatively esoteric information about an IP

Fluff is anything that isn't rules within a Tabletop rule book

All Lore is fluff but not all fluff is lore.

NuLore is anything newer than a specific point, the term is used to signify a discrete difference besides age, usually denoting a shift in era.

UnLore is lore that actively undermines other lore in one way or another, an example would be a spiteful retcon that specifically targets one bit of information and explains that it never happened, never could happen etc

>>96366546
Flameboys are fun to slap in a impulsor and dickslap infantry with

>>96366534
>mecha anime based titan doing mecha anime things

>>96366512
>I don't want to micromanage every single fight to avoid all your OP hero abilities.

Well, then modern RTS is not the genre for you. But there is always the campaigns and skirmish modes.

>>96366561
I'm not sure your definition works, not all lore is found in a tabletop rulebook, some comes from novels.

>>96366538
Only because it's the only cheap transport that primaris can use. If they could use rhinos 80% of squads would prefer it.

>>96366582
Luv me some casual fun
I don't want to compete against zerg-rush meta hotkeys spam tier skip shithead.

>>96366534
Yes, unironically

>>96366536
Kirby was the one who planned Age of Sigmar and give the models rules without points costs.
It was a fucking disaster.

>>96364346
None of the wikis are. Lexicanum allows Only the hard facts, so with every passing release the articles get more and more barebones. The fandom wiki is a fucking Mess even when the mods do bother to prune the fanfic pages, and 1d6 is 1d6.

>>96366534
Unironically yes.

>>96364853
McNeil's still an active VA, anon.

>>96364770
okay so first you spend $500 to $1,000... Then you spend 3 to 4 years painting... Then after that you might be able to play your first game! A game takes 8 hours to play... Oh and by the time you've done all that you'll probably be two or three codecs behind and they cost $50 each and change which models are legal...

>>96366450
wtf this looks fun
I know nothing about DoW games

>>96366499
>Taldeer turns her sword around to hold it backhanded and she powerslides over several dozen Orks
Best girl.

>>96366534
Yes.
Look up the Revenant vs Warlord scene from The Exodite, it's up on Youtube.
Eldar Knights and Titans are insane.

>>96366260
ROCK AND STONE!

>>96366038
stupid tilting shield placement

>>96365747
sisters of battle are the most elite chaff at 10.5