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>>96371953 (OP)
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>>96371953 (OP)
I wish to emigrate to Equ- Polluden!

>>96371953 (OP)
Can SRTR teach numerology and mathemagic?

>>96371993
>Aloof mentor.
>Justifies her power by controlling entire facets of nature.
>Younger family member is in a state of rebellion that threatens to bring the end of the world.
>Kind of a God figure but consistently shown to "just" be a very powerful wizard.
>Unique race leaves her in a position to have no peers unless they're either her family members or the students that passed an ascension ritual.
>Started her regime by hunting down older gods.
>The Human-analogue of her country are not Human beings themselves.
>Horse motif
>Sun motif
I don't like where this is heading.

>>96372108
>>Horse motif
You now remember the treacherous Her'v' = Horse theory.
There's new evidence for it as there's a horse on emperor Gewrgin's portrait and he died by being backstabbed.

>>96372108
She also apparently has a childish love for winter wonderlands, she really is just a bitter girl trying to take her unhappiness out on the world.
But with things like this it is practically impossible to hate her.

anyone have any good warhammer 40k cyoas?

I'm a one hundred and ten percent glad that these creepy bitches are extinct.

>>96372245
Fetish race.

>>96372245
>Some degenerate elven king started turning all non elves into clones of the same girl, most likely for his creepy harem
Maybe Charlie is onto something with her seething hatred of elves.

>>96372265
Well it sounds like they lost the ability to make them long before she nuked them.

>>96372265
I still don't get why she chose to be born on their continent. Nothing else in her build benefits from that and she didn't even take elven companions/mentors.

>>96372279
Probably some plot thread or opportunity long lost and buried now.

>>96372262
But a good fetish race
>>96372245
RIP identical women

>>96372279
Maybe she had strong feelings or projected an idealistic fantasy on the elves due to being an Outsider. And when they didn't live up to her expectations caused the seething we see today.

>>96372045
The Elder Gods are/were nigh omnipotent and omniscient, right? Surely she can teach anything.

>>96372328
Do you really want to get kidnapped and turned into an elf girl, anon?

>>96369982
>What's the difference?
/mcyoag/ basically prefers sitcoms that have a thin pretense of action-adventure, usually being in some kind of educational institute. O.R. couldn't possibly be further from what they want.

>>96372335
No, I want to kidnap you and turn you into an elf girl

>>96372344
But my build is already an elf girl, anon.

>>96372195
The number of races that are loyal to 0^0 is pretty annoying in a way, even after you kill the bitch you're going to have to deal with a bunch of annoying Exalted and Gnomes and shit carrying on in her stead.

>>96372377
Her ideology definitely has a more leanings toward "Chad HFY" than we originally expected. Clearly someone who isn't... totally... motivated by blind spite, which makes her antagonism against the reader even more suspicious. Still remembering the part when *she* says that all stories are about the *message*.

>>96372377
The Ecumene's ideology definitely has a lot more leanings toward "Chad HFY" than we originally expected. Clearly she's someone who isn't... totally... motivated by blind spite, which makes her antagonism against the reader even more suspicious. Still remembering the part when *she* says that all stories are about the *message*.

>>96371953 (OP)
Theta doesn't interfere with Outer Tide, does it? There's no actual interaction with any chosen characters.

Also, do you pick a birth location with Theta?

>>96372411
>do you pick a birth location with Theta?
Never mind on this. Birth location controls the fate of parents, so it's voided by Theta.

>>96372409
I'm not sure if defending two races that rely on using humans as slaves and possession targets, or even Gnomes though they're not innately hostile or anything, is really HFY of her.

>>96372347
Ah, you got me there

>>96372334
Then I suppose Eirina and Natalja are not worth picking.

>>96372409
>Humans are dumbed down to space Americans
Uh oh euroqueer melty someone report him to the stasi

>>96371932
Please forgive me for my retardation, anon-sama.

>>96372447
well its more of a question of what she will decide to teach you, your probably can't really choose for yourself [SRTR] will decide for herself what she will do with you, if you don't go half insane after living a century trapped with her and her "training". You are trapped with a psychotic bored god that treats people like playthings in a literal toybox where she has nothing else to do you will probably be used for entertainment and turned into some brainwashed servant like Ratha.

>>96372503
>brainwashed servant like Ratha
Every time she is mentioned, Anon makes her crazier inside his head than last time.
Her actual description just makes her out to be somewhat traumatised.
Zenia spent a lot of time directly with her and she's fine.

>>96372530
sure. If you thing becoming a second Zenia is fine then sure going to the toybox is great. Being molded into a pawn to fulfill a specific purpose and your mind being so changed until your become deadpan dry husk with a warped beyond recognition sense of humour. If that qualifies as fine for you then sure.

Thoughts on your predecessors?

>>96372579
I respect Vtorusha's audacious pretense that she's muddish and not a true dragon.

>>96372579
>see Charlotte
Reminder that she's carried two kids before

>>96371953 (OP)
Tried making a build, no idea if I read everything correctly.

>Patron God: [JNPL]; Male
>Untimeskip (The Keter) (0/-2) [20/18] Ancestry/Destiny
>Outer Tide
>Mother: [JNPL] (-5/-5) [15/13]
Mandatory to not have to kill anyone.

>Father(Adoptive): "One" (-1/-1) [14/12]
The best option by far, and an ideal role model.

>Race: Muddish (+3/0) [17/12] +1 mentor slot
I am assuming I read this correctly and, since I have no race to inherit from any parents, I am free to pick one. I don't get what "you must still fit the displayed requirements" means, as I can't see any requirements for any of the individual races or race groups.

>Languages: Everman, Drakonian, Simplified Duergar, High Elven (0/-5) [14/7]
>Polyglot: +2/0 with Drakonian, +3/0 from unfulfilled mentor and companion slots due to Simplified Duergar, +1/0 from High Elven. [20/10]
>Location: Old Throne, Midoria (+1/0) [21/10]

>Inborn Gifts:
>Icon of Icons (-5/0) [16/10]
A suitable ability for a hero of justice.
>Cognitive Speed (-2/0) [14/10]; Memory Retention (-2/0) [12/10]; Intelligence (-2/0) [10/10]; Attentiveness (-2/0) [8/10]; Spiritual Feel (-2/0) [6/10]; Caster Intuition (-2/0) [4/10]; Noble Inclination (-2/0) [2/10]
I think all of these are self-explanatory. Improving my mental ability and especially Wisdom and Memory Retention will help to ensure I do not stray from the path of righteousness; Noble Inclination will allow me to inspire others and lead them to victory; Spiritual Feel and Caster intuition allow me to learn things like healing spells eventually; and Cognitive Speed, Intelligence, and Attentiveness will help with competency so that I can actually live up to my ideals.
>All-Glimpse (-5/0) [-3/10]
With almost all of the mental enhancements, this should be very useful. Lacking the need to sleep especially with double the amount of time I have to improve the world, and the amount of time I can spend with "One".

>>96372579
Tuzik was the only one who got a happy ending. Even One couldn't rest in peace.

>>96372579
I kinda resent Vtorusha for spreading brown hair everywhere, the ugliest hair color.

>>96372591
>Mentors: The Keter (0/-5) [-3/5]
In addition to having fought 0^0 before, The Keter claimed to be a hero. I want to make that true, so we're going to work together to save the world.

>Companions: None
I will inspire heroism genuinely, patiently. I neither need nor want to force it on anyone.

>Encounter: Never Alone (The Keter) (-1/-1) [-4/4]
It ensures more time despite Untimeskip removing the Mentor status guarantee of meeting her in childhood. Spending time with "One" should help her mental state.

>Encounter: A Bridge, A Toll, A Troll (+2/+2) [-2/6]
I'm assuming it uses up/fills that slot, and that it doesn't also apply to a companion. A risk, certainly, but an important one. Not being able to die here doesn't change that I could still be injured, so I'd have to be careful. Combined with A Score of Orcs, it may even have a band already.

>Encounter: A Score of Orcs (+2/1) [0/7]
Same as the prior. I meet every person I'm supposed to almost immediately, so I do have better chances to fix this. This location is also well-equipped to deal with them.

>Deaths: Vedi (Myself); Zemlya (Myself) (0/-1); Death: Yee (Myself) (0/-1) [0/5]
It might be odd to try to avoid it, but you can't learn or improve if you are dead. I'm going to keep trying, in life and in death and after. I'll probably have to make sure to learn a lot about necromancy to teach the Keter; I doubt a poorly-reanimated shambling zombie without my mind would be able to do much good. If it doesn't work out, I'll just try again, again.

>Death: Lesser Yus (The Keter); Zhivete (The Keter)
This means more heroes of justice in the world, and of course I'm not going to force someone to die!

>Youth: Martial Training, Magical Training, Leadership Training, Parental Support
Not taking Theology is unfortunate, but there are more important things than gods.

>Quest: E Nomine
I won't accept any bad ends. We're saving everyone, including Charlotte.

>>96372594
I wouldn't call being a boring faggot a happy ending.

>>96372579
how do we save katya bros

>>96372579
Based - One, Aat, Yphont, Tuzik, Sarmat
Based Retards - Vtorusha
Retards - Savmak, Erginter, Charlotte, Katya

I respect Tuzik and Sarmat the most for dying on their own terms and not falling for the immortality meme.
Also for some reason the quality of outsiders declined drastically after Sarmat. Maybe Sarmat's solve a century's worth of plot with death slot abuse trick made the story boring so the elder gods adjusted the outsider system's selection criteria to look for retards.

>>96372614
>not falling for the immortality meme.
Everything any of them gained or learned was erased and rendered unto nothing at the moment of their death, making it all pointless.

>>96372627
Actually they reincarnate

>>96372628
Without any memories, meaning:
>>96372627
>Everything any of them gained or learned was erased and rendered unto nothing at the moment of their death

>>96372632
They get ascension progress and learn the script

>>96372636
You don't keep any of that without memories.

>>96372600
He just chilled.

>>96372627
False, the quality of their souls improved, taking them closer to ascension. Once they've ascended they'll likely remember everything.

>>96372614
The final 3 retards were also powergamers too, so they had the power to ruin even more shit.
Erginter was an inborn gift farmer
Charlotte a false ascended god
Katya did a lot of unhinged magic shit with her party

>>96372579
Proof that letting zoomers reincarnate into your setting makes it progressively worse. Going from someone based like One to dull, midwit faggots like Erginter and Charlotte certainly didn't help. Special mention to potentialman Savmak. Could've been the greatest one on the list if he didn't try to rules bend like "that guy" style of redditor.

>>96372638
Well they do otherwise the reincarnation system wouldn't have any point. The future reincarnations just don't have excess to these memories. It works at what it does as you would become too set in your old ways if you kept your memories and were immortal and couldn't really experience the rest of the story. But I don't like it from a whole different angle I mostly care about the maintenance of my own identity, become some elder god thing made out of millions of merged lifetimes seems a bit too jarring and ego deathy to me.

>>96371953 (OP)
Yeah I'm seriously thinking of switching my elf dad out for a dwarf dad, I still can't decide. Gramrouth seems one of the better dads for giving you magic talent. Especially if you don't want to be a non-Daemonhost Majin or Beastfolk.

>>96371953 (OP)
I have finished my build
I spent literally the last 20 hours without breaks thinking about this
I must now sleep
https://rentry.co/CyoaORBuild001
I will post only the gameplan, the details are in the rentry if you somehow care

Summary:
Build Focus: Uruk, Inner eye x3
With an exact and excruciating knowledge of the inner blueprint of the uruk I will reverse engineer life itself
It will take a While but I will do it
Also, I am going to the moon
Spells are implied to include creation ex nihilo and uruk are made from rocks, so once I figure everything out I should be able to terraform the moon
I am effectively ignoring fate's plans and the struggle between 0^0 and the other outsiders

Gameplan:
I start off as an adult proficient in both everman and magic
As I am only half uruk and beautiful, I hope to look like an elf with a skin condition
I try to dress very noble-y and civil to further the gap
I travel the land, helping people as I go, and collecting spells and magic tools that can help me claim the moon
The obvious ones are a godhand to help with construction and some sort of spells that can create matter
I am lead in my spell search by my mentor spako, who knows the effects of almost every spell
While I am around, I try to cure most common diseases
My main lead to the understanding of magic is my varient inner eye, allowing me to read the godscript inherent to uruk
It should also let me freely understand any magical disease I am afflicted with
Once I have finished my pre ordained events, met my companions and hopefully gathered the magical people and components I need I set out to terraform the moon
Remote casting and portals are implied to be possible, so it may be that I only need to gather a congregation of ritualists on "earth"
Once An area on the moon is partially habitable, I move to my next goal, the creation of new life
Understanding the godscript written within me Will be a difficult goal, likely taking decades
(1/3)

>>96372789
Given all that work, I simply tell all of my most trusted ritualists what the words are so we can work on it together
It hardly matters what others can do, as long as I get to the moon first it will only help them
That being said, to prevent any political upset from a new type of spells being made common, I will try to keep my men quiet, and only include the ones without affiliations
Once we have solved the mysteries of flesh (Est 30 years) we will design an enviroment with no insects or mosquitos
Someone will certainly ruin it, but you may as well try
Then, inevitabley, we travel to the moon
If long range solutions were impossible or impractical, I send myself repeatedly, as I can freely recall and need little air
Making an airtight seal to protect my eyes isn't actually to hard, just cast two pieces of steel with sharp, even ends and tighten them together into a soft metal like copper. it will deform minimally enough to be air tight
Based on machina, the ability to make mechs in this worldis pretty plausible, although expensive
I travel up in a mech and dig a deep deep trench
The quickest way to set up a base at this stage will be digging a trench and putting a metal box in it
It's underground to lower the pressure on the walls
Once this is up, I start casting the local spells to produce air, or teleporting it in if that isn't an option
I will skip the rest of the details, as none of this affects anyone but me and my followers
I create both a paradise and a means of immortality for others, allowing them to respawn as I do in a new body
I sculpt the moon into a place of freeflowing rivers and fruit trees, where conflict comes only from other men
When my work is done I consider looking back to save the world from 0^0, but by then she has probably been slain and the eucumene is just another nation on the map
(2/3)

>>96372792
If the next outsider is born on the moon I give him some means to leave, but tell him not to come back, as I wish to avoid relations with the outer world
To my fellow outsiders of the 11th I offer the most half-hearted of invitations, as they are all likely to be in some way unstable
Until they earn my trust I try to avoid them, and avoid explaining any of the moon stuff

I am aware that the perfect environment will weaken my people, partially because of evolution and partially because the eldar gods hate fun
I will try to implement eugenic cultural policies first, propaganda about doing the right thing, abount intelligence being sexually and romantically attractive, and about laziness giving you erectile disfunction
If those don't work out in 200~ years then I start a killing game of some sort, aiming for 0.5% of the weakest each year

Oh and, no direct worship of the elder gods
People should focus on the virtues around them, that they can emulate. Begging someone stronger the you to help rarely even works and overall only takes from the limited pool of their help
(3/3)

Vague notes:
I get the feeling you were actually considering lunar colonies when making this, what with the mention of acting in a vacuum and the 2nd having a lunar colony
Har har har, below average copper merchant
There is an extremely obvious exploit right now wherein you take 0^0 as a patron and use malice to take the point bribe for omega, then pick outer tide making the fate undo itself
This should probably be patched by making the death slot say "Can't be targeted by malice"
I amn't taking it because I don't care for it asthetically and I don't really need the points
Also, Troll is worth more then buying a companion slot and some races are worth more then halfbreed
Which is effectively just free points
Uruk is far worse in this version because of languages mattering
You can use up almost all of the events pretty easily

>>96371953 (OP)
Haven't finished my build yet but thinking about picking Lu'ut as my dad with the goal of tracking him down after he abandons my mother and me and turning him in to my malewife to teach him the error of his ways.

>>96372789
can't take halfbreed as uruk, as halfbreed specifically states you take both races of your parents and a Uruk can't have a mother. Unless your using the blessing of SRTR but then your opening a whole different can of bullshit and will prevent you from picking outertide.

>>96372846
It requires genuine talent to find such dogshit art for those waifus. Gun to my head I don't think I could find a non-parody Tornado uglier than that. It's like the reverse Midas touch.

>>96372838
Aromage is a woman right
Why did she make this cyoa?

>>96373085
Remember that Redo of Healer and uncountable messed up romance novels are most popular with women.

any news on zodiac brides vn?

>>96373178
>Any news on Tomefu?

>>96373247
February when?

>>96371969
Damn, according to this my parenting combo is shit
>Pu'un
>Vadim

>>96372579
Like people said, the early ones were based, the later ones were retarded. My favorite is either Yphont or Vtorusha.

>>96371953 (OP)
>Stay in your lane.
Fuck you too. Watch me pick Nilmatrix, kill her with ease and topple your empire.

>>96372579
So, did Sarmat die?
He took the death rune that makes him think himself as someone else so it can be doubted if he really died himself or merely stopped existing as Sarmat, but he did reject everlasting and no mentioned character fits as his changed self, unless I'm missing someone.
>Katya thought Thaumiel was a kuudere
Dumb weeb.

>>96366473
Can Death of the author break 0^0's control over causality enough to help convincing Nilmatrix to betray her?

>they still hadn't thought to check the excel file for its hidden extra bonus lore
none of you are temperantia material

>>96373383
I'm pretty sure people did, if only to see what's written under the Charlotte blockades.

>>96373371
hmm... probably won't work as while divine fate manipulation can't effect you directly as you have Death of the author the same can't be said about other people, so this would most likely count as a indirect usage as it targets Nilmatrix

I'm finally ready to say it
I don't like blood magic

>>96373383
no one read the deep lore of the three way dream war in the where the giant warmachina, the imaginary amalgam of all true dragons and the elder gods had a argument/battle in the three pillar metaworld.

>>96373403
I guess True Love and using Inga Yesod to reanimate her after the scripted death (or simply avoid following that forced destiny with death of the author) wouldn't be enough either.
I could use Evdokia, but I really want to break 0^0's narrative.

>>96371953 (OP)
>>96366467
Patron God: JNPL

Gender: Male

Reincarnation:
- Sibling, -1G
- True Love, Free

Mother: Pu'un, -3g
- Noble Inclination
- Memory Retention
- Attentiveness
- Ethereal Beauty

Father: Vadim Sacro-Ionian -4g
- Royal Claim
- Warmachina Mounting
- Noble Inclination
- Intelligence

Race: Muddish, +1 Mentor, +3G

Languages:
- Everman
- Auburn
- Spriggan
- High Elven

Location: Old Throne, +1G
P: 20
G: 16

Gotta sleep. Placeholder for tomorrow.

>>96373453
The document is so big that even if I vaguely know where "giant warmachina" is and remember the amalgam from somewhere, it's hard to find all the relevant notes.

>>96373466
ughh... I don't think you would be immune to Nilmatrix as she isn't using deus ex machina, but mathemagic and causality manipulation. She is probably even more dangerous than fighting 0^0 directly if you have death of the author as she would not expect you to be immune to deus ex machina.

>>96373502
No, I was more talking about using it to avoid having to kill her because of "shadow of god" through death of the author, or if that doesn't work reanimate her through Inga Yesod, after her role in 0^0's causality should be finished, while using true love to have a better starting point to convince her to betray her.

>>96372579
Let's see potential revivals for fun
>One
He comes back as your mentor so there should be a way to keep him around even after he turns to dust if you understand enough about undead
>Vtorusha
Activate the old throne mech that is housing her soul and letter, should be doable enough
>Aat/Xian
Two different ways to do it, either through his spirit as the Eternal Curse as Aat or by following Dis plan to revive Erginter merged corpse
>Savmak
Get his spirit out of his sword
>Yphont
Seems hard since she's genuinely just dead, but as a dark elf there should be a way to use the curse she used to stop the Uruk to bring something of her back
>Tuzik/Sarmat
Just dead, could still bring them back through their descendants
>Erginter
Same as Xian
>Charlotte
Alive, but it could be funny to bring back her old self and make her see the bitter asshole she became, there should be a time magic loophole somewhere

SHould I make a cyoa if I'm fairly certain no one's gonna like it

>>96373524
What a mercenary way to use true love.

>>96373530
If they're all brought back to life with just their starting Inborn Gifts, how fast is the situation escalating?

>>96373547
Not my fauult JNPL gave me one for free.

>>96373576
It's still your decision to use it this way.

>>96373581
As 0^0 mentions using it at all isn't the most moral of things.
I generally agree on many point with 0^0, it's just her general madness and arbitrariety that makes me oppose her.

>>96372604
>true love her
>true love ???
>true love her ex
>make them all a happy family and a harem for you

>>96373366
>Katya thought Thaumiel was a kuudere, it was a midjudgement
What does that mean in her case? that Thaumiel was not in love with her yet? That she was a dendere or something?

>>96373586
>moral
If picking a perk isn't moral then picking anything is not either, stop listening to her psyop.

>>96373530
>Activate the old throne mech that is housing her soul and letter, should be doable enough

It is what Savmak prevented. It is possible, but the conditions for that seem to be apocalyptic.

>>96373622
And thanks to dear Charlotte, they're within reach.

>>96373621
Eh, I agree with her that the goddesses and the system imposing narratives upon the world is morally arguable, even more seeing how petty SRTR and YMRD are.
Obviously she's far more petty and obsessive, so I can't be on her side, she commits genocides because she dislikes how the world is, she can't consider any opinion beside her own and she enslave even more the narratives of the world.
Also I like JNPL.

>>96373613
Being a kuudere means being cold on the outside but sweet on the inside but Thaumiel was a determined struggler through and through. She probably genuinely loved her until their fight, even if she did use True Love for it. And even after their fight Thaumiel still tries to defeat Charlie, she simply thinks of her escape as a tactical retreat rather than cowardice.

>>96373621
She's not entirely wrong, though.
That's her whole character.

>>96373366
Sarmat peacefully died of old age having accomplished every single goal his build set out to do. He was the most competent outsider by far.

>>96373524
Ugh... risky option. She might just fake betraying Charlie to betray you again your facing off against one of the best manipulators who tricked both Keter and the emperor

>true love is immoral, the Gods are evil
>*exterminates another intelligent speices*

>>96373658
Most of the outsiders are competent but their goals are just retarded and often makes things worse

>>96373667
It's just a woman moment.

>>96373663
>Ugh... risky option
Eh, I know, I'm actually taking a trap option and trying to interact with it in a particularly roundabout and problematic way, It's just that I don't think that I will manage to do anything worthy of note if I don't take similar challenges to try and exit 0^0's narrative.
>>96373667
Don't forget she criticizes you for taking malice, wich is an option only her offers.

>>96373688
>Don't forget she criticizes you for taking malice, wich is an option only her offers.
I think she's giving you "evil" options to justify killing you later.

>>96371953 (OP)
First time reading this, I think the elder gods are the true villains and the Usurper is a scapegoat used to stress-test their philosophies. The one building the mechas was right and we should free ourselves from them.

>>96373694
Yes, I too was thinking she just wants to prove her point when she offers something like that, but show her hypocritical nature, where she pretend considering taking something similar is unfathomably evil, but her offering it in the first place and therefore enabling to do that isn't something to be considered.

>>96373710
Yes, that is obvious. She also says that picking torture for points is something only an uncaring outsider would do, and just a few letters later she pays you for the ability to kill her daughter. It's hilarious really.

>>96373722
It's a good bribe, probably gonna take it, will be funny if I take both omega and 0^0 as companions.

>>96373722
Two hundreds years of mental gymnastics is a sight to behold.

>>96373710
Her two-folded logic is funny. I'm pretty sure her thought pattern is
>You are responsible for picking the option as it was your choice, not mine.
while she strategically avoid applying it to herself. Otherwise, it would sound suspiciously like
>"Charlotte" is responsible for her choices, not "the Elder Gods"
which harms her narrative of being 1000% right and justified in everything.

>>96371953 (OP)
Am I miss reading something or is Dobrava a bit op?

>>96372343
amazing how years later /mcyoag/fags can only succeed if their mp features schoolslop of some kind, and they keep that MHA mp around even if it gets no actual attention
i really miss arenas

>>96373748
>0^0 as companion
How so? She's immune to 'Dice Fudge'.

Actual /x/fag here.

The theurgy cyoa is cool and all but it’s not very accurate; in fact it’s downright erroneous to assume that materials and substances had zero influence or nothing to do in theurgical matters, when they absolutely did, not just in ceremonial affairs but also as something to receive. Solomon, arguably the greatest theurge in myth, alongside Moses, was given divine tools, like demon bindings rings and matter eating goo, by God to shape the world and to bind spirits.

Specifically, theurgy utilized specific materials and tools, such as physical tokens (synthemata), offerings, consecrated objects, ceremonial tools, incantations (objects of the mind), and sacred plants or metals, in their ceremonies to facilitate communion with the divine. Sometimes even sacrifices.

These elements were not mere decorations but integral to the ritual process, creating a conducive environment and acting as points of connection to the intelligible and tertiary causes of the universe.

Alchemy was actually seen as the ‘key to theurgy’ in the hermetic tradition; one had to alchemically refine the soul, or spirit, to interact and communicate with the divine, and what is alchemy also associated with if not the physical, material, and changing world?

Theurgy as an oversimplification is really just successful priesthood. God-wizardry.

>>96371953 (OP)
What does OT do? Khier is making Omega eventually die by her mother, but OT? it doesn't say what it does and it costs a lot of point

>>96373820
it makes her not die
obviously

>>96373826
so there is two options? make her die and gain points or make her live and lose points?

>>96373786
The old Untimeskip trick still works from the old version as Tankista definitely knew about it and did not patch it making this one of the many loopholes that can be found in the outsider system, so I guess Charlie redemption route attempts are a definitely a possibility.

>>96373793
>and matter eating goo
Whats that

>>96371953 (OP)
What do we know about curses, the dark elf are cursed and cursed weapon do damage to the spirit and magic too, anything else. ?

>>96373889
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon's_shamir

>>96373793
Shut up nerd.

>>96373831
Or just ignore her. And use the slot for someone else.

>>96373908
More proof that all magic is just aliens cosplaying as religion and giving humans random shit

>>96372905
Uruk forbids adoption, a perk directly next to half breed
Pixie magic forbids halfbreed and is directly next to inhumanity
If I couldn't pick halfbreed it would have said

>>96373908
Weird how I’m only now learning of this. I had no idea Solomon had a magic worm for a pet.

>>96373980
Oh you can pick it but it does nothing cause you don't have a mother

Solomon had eighty virgin whores. All given to him by God. The Church made sure to erase this evidence of God being “too based”. The reality is that God didn’t give one fuck that Solomon had sex with the Queen of Sheba. He clapped.

>>96374006
If you can't pick a race you get a free choice

>>96373832
...Holy shit. Now I wonder what's the funniest encounter if she's in your party.

>>96373832
>>96374055
Even if it is legal, she will probably just kill you first chance she gets. You are only fated the encounter, nothing forces her to stay there once you meet.

>>96371953 (OP)
What if E Nomine is completed while you're still in the Toybox? It's the only quest with a concrete end.

>>96371953 (OP)
Ok so how bullshit can Autoantecedence theoretical be? Say I have a Triple-picked Starsight, can I assume that it no longer needs written spells to function and I can just copy any spell I see once? or is this too much?

>>96374205
Not that bullshit no
It should be as good as a 5 point trait

>>96374031
Non canon to the bible cope

>>96374159
>first chance she gets
It's fine; she can't bypass the Encounters nor does she know your death rune. By the time her window of opportunity appears, she's been your reluctant friend for a while.

>>96374205
Mlada teaches something similar, it's fine. Maybe even slightly underpowered for this price.

>>96374233
>trusting redditgirl at all
You played yourself.

>>96374216
>Spends 11 points on a single ability
>It should be as good as a 5 point trait
So it's just a scam?

>>96373793
WHY DOES IT MATTER HOW ACCURATE SOMETHING IS

>>96374198
Anyone?

>>96374251
It adds power where it is needed
It should e as good as a 5 point trait + the old thing

>>96374263
Magic has always been materialistic anon

>>96373793
Phone poster, your image is too small
I cannot respect a man without the wit to post on /tg/

>>96374285
It’s symbolic, retard. It’s flawed, so it must not be read.

>>96371953 (OP)
king jdan > king dirk
old throne > malkuth

>>96374293
It's ugly

>>96374205
Just don't make the ability gained something obviously broken like copying the Godscript. In that particular scenario Starsight could make it so you have a good idea of how spells you see work so you could learn it by trial an error. Or that you can learn a spell you read and also intrinsically know a second spell that uses the same letters.

>>96373954
being the son in law of Charlotte is too good

The Christian Mass is technically one big Theurgical ritual. High ceremonial magick by any other name. What is Communion?

“Our thing is better because we don’t use the same words even though it’s literally the same thing”

I hate religious elitism so much its unreal

>>96374159
Well she specifically can't even have a encounter so she would be immune to it's threads of fate but she still needs to complete the bare minimum companion obligation. There are many companions without encounters and they still need to do their fate companion obligations. But if you are planning to fight her yes you did screw yourself over as you just drawn her full attention to yourself, but if you were trying to ally her don't really see a problem. She isn't going to kill you if your not overtly hostile.

>>96374251
Yeah, looking at it from a pragmatic perspective its not worth it at all. Most of the gifts are very "gimmicky" so the most autoantecedence can do is making them more heterogeneous and accessible.

>>96374370
Companions are mot mind controlled to obey you or don't hurt you. Thaumiel escaped at the end, which could be considered being a traitor. Also that one companion that is literally just an enemy is proof of it.

Thinking you could make the big enemy your companion and she won't try to kill you because haha you used 2 points its very dumb. It's a new level of munchkin

>>96374264
>>96374198
You're still in the toybox and someone still needs to kick the door open.
That shit isn't magically getting undone because someone twerked 0^0's head off her shoulders.

>>96374404
But she doesn't have to be a enemy, why would she kill you if you cooperate with her

>>96374322
>>96374332
Don’t fat abuelas in Mexico chop off the heads of chickens at altars praying to mother Mary? Vodou is also Catholic up the ass; the Loa are essentially angels, due to Vodou’s synchretic background.

>>96373832
Companions are only forced to meet you and make both of your stories meet. Which means with that you only guarantee you will meet her and probably die. At that point pick Buki. this was obvious before the update, with the update and Nilmatrix example of a companion that would kill you... yeah

>>96374419
Catholics don’t consider that Christian. In fact they consider it downright heretical. It is evil. Black magic done by black hands, perverting the word of God with demons cosplaying as angels.

Only while people can be Christian the right way. Sorry. Hispanics and blacks are “Christian”. It becomes something else for them. Something unidentifiable.

>>96374418
We are talking about Charlotte, she would betray you rather easily. Trying to cooperate with someone like her is like trying to befriend a lion, she won't attack you as long as its not hungry and its not angry, the moment one of those two things happens? Good luck

“it’s only Christian if I do it”
- said the Protestants
- said the Catholics
- said the Orthodoxy

CYOAs?

Catholics and protestants are beardless faggots. Whoever decided to shave off their beards deserves hellfire.

>>96374447
Oh there are definitely more obligations than just meeting as why would you even use dice fudge or untimeskip to covert a mentor into a companion? If it does nothing. So there must be some fate obligations on a companion. Like mentors are destined to teach you stuff so the same way companions are destined to help you on an adventure somewhat.

>>96374475
Try:
>>96371953 (OP)
It's pretty good

>>96374493
>to covert a mentor into a companion

Nta, but I did it to help Kilyn in the previous version of the cyoa.

Palatiner + Benewhisper + Simplified Duergar

>>96374458
Well as long as you don't betray her shouldn't be too problematic. She treats her own people decently. Reading the bonus lore seems like she has incorporated most of the pelundrian races into the ecumen. But she really hates elf's for some reason wonder what the fuck happened while she was living in Orthrung.

>>96374297
But the Muddish are ugly.

>>96374581
>But she really hates elf's for some reason wonder what the fuck happened while she was living in Orthrung.

>>96374493
It basically changes when and how you meet them and how your interactions with them work. A mentor is met in your childhood and will most likely meet their end before your own adventure starts or at the very least, split from you before it does, meanwhile a companion will be ready to go with you start, but it doesn't mean that they will actually do it, circumstances just conspire so they are there.

>>96374600
Well she's lucky she didn't do it a couple centuries prior, or her ass would've been Changeling'd.

>>96374581
She was a slave to the elves and probably saw them as just tyrants who took advantage of her family. I'm certainly sure she didn't pick for them to be indentured servants, but Fate and Chance just twisted her choices so they had the most dramatic effect possible with lots of possible plot hooks.

>>96374606
Don't forget the 8th aka powerfag being already dead. Charlotte was very lucky.

>>96374600
>PoV: because some dipshits instituted serfdom on the other side of the forest, your entire continent got turned to glass

>>96374581
The elves in Doria and the Underdark are fine, but Orthrung and the Firstborn Empire had to go.

>>96374613
Her race was Kristi, who are the Northerners of the Polludan continent. But she started in Orthung. It reads to me like she completely uprooted her parents from their own culture so she could live among elves which, of course, made them vulnerable to being exploited since they had no native roots in the area.

>>96374654
>Her race was Kristi, who are the Northerners of the Polludan continent. But she started in Orthung
So she nuked her old masters, gave a chance to the Morlocks, then uplifted her entire continent?
I can respect that.

>>96374654
>she wanted to be the very unique and super special girl in a foreign place
>seethed when she got it

>>96374667
She didn't bother to nuke the elves until Keter organized them against her, so while obviously she had a grudge, she didn't carry it out until they were an active threat. The only race we're told she specifically has a grudge against and is going to completely 100% genocide for no reason are the Northerners, because their men keep seducing her.

>>96374673
>>96374682
Was Charlotte a woman? Before being reincarnated, I mean. This kind of rhetoric feels familiar...

>>96374697
Absolutely none of the Outsiders give us info on who they were before the reincarnation. The closest we get is the implication that Katya was some kind of miserable orphan or neglected child on Earth because she didn't have any family or friends before.

>>96374682
Not the entire race, just their language which is apparently the love tongue since one of it's bonuses is to give True Love for free.

>>96374605
from the description of the encounter section they seemed to be forced to go along with your for some time even if you botch the encounter just that they won't stick around with you for long so there must be some bare minimum companion obligation they must do, probably like a year or two at the minimum.

>>96374709
And then Thaumiel and Nilmatrix betrayed her, and the pixie companion died so Katya/Keter essentially got back to square one.

>>96371953 (OP)
Do you have to pay points for Gunter Lilim's companions or Blazhko's rivals?

>>96374709
We also know that Sarmat created New New York so he was probably from there and a Futurama and sports fan as well
>Go get them champ! I told him. And then he did. I'm proud
He was truly the best outsider of them all.

>>96374738
I think not.

>>96374738
They specify that they do not need points nor language requirements.

>>96374697
Everyone reach this conclusion eventually.

>>96374712
Anyone who speaks it, which includes all Northerners by default.

I like Vtorusha the most because she is the most like me
Most of the "meaningful story" shitters and just people who coasted on the powers and options given to them, never really interacting with the world

>>96374613
The elder gods really like having racism in their stories, the elves are racists, the dragons racist, the daeva racist, even humans racist

>>96374784
>Most of the "meaningful story" shitters and just people who coasted on the powers and options given to them, never really interacting with the world
Elaborate on that? I don't see how that exclude Vtorusha herself.

>>96371953 (OP)
>Patron God:
SRTR

>Reincarnation Perks:
Adoption (Disregard Aat), Extra Mentor x3, Outer Tide

>Parents:
Mother: Thonodreth-from-Agartha
Father: Aat
Stepfather: "One"

>Race:
Majin

>Languages:
Everman, Fae, Drakonian (Quietened), Late Thulean (Quietened)

>Inborn Gifts:
Bitter Sickness, Wereplague x2, Misalliance (Thonodreth-from-Agartha), Longevity, Cognitive Speed, Memory Retention, Wisdom, Intelligence, Attentiveness, Spiritual Feel, Martial Instinct, Caster Intuition, Noble Inclination, All-Glimpse, Autoantecedence (Esurient Walk: true time stop at will), Enochian Brand, Magician's Hand x2, Esurient Walk x2, Letters of the Damned (Az: Self Preservation), Daemonhost

>Mentors:
Dirk Yesod (Lyndis of the Doria, Maou), Leimeie, Ielziaseh-from-Erebus, Mlada, Rhucuphre-from-Maeve

Absolutely optimized for planning, learning, and all social endeavors. I will be the perfect leader, strategist, teacher, psychiatrist, and any other role that will be required. I will also create Majin to fulfil necessary roles and grow alongside us as perfect subordinates.

Worry not about me abusing my social prowess. Harming the group is not in my interests. My goals are to master the God-Script and ascend. I will help everyone grow and get along as much as possible during our time in the Toybox to ensure JNPL's revival and Charlotte's defeat. Then, I will learn from all the Elder Gods.

To maintain my sanity amidst frequent acting over 100 years, I chose Az: Self Preservation as my innate Majin spell. I can also take breaks by stopping time. Worry not about me.

>Death:
Theta

>Quest:
E Nomine

Everything learned. Every scenario simulated. Every possibility accounted for. Past, present, and future deduced. We will be ready. We will win.

>>96374842
Vtorusha went to the moon, made mechs and made 90% of all outsider relics

>>96372579
Can your build beat them in a fight, anon?

>>96374884
I hope you realize you won't be able to master the godscript in one lifetime and will have to reincarnate a lot of times the normal way to ascend the proper way as the elder gods intended. Unless your planning a Charlotte false ascent.

>>96374953
Sounds like quitter talk.

>>96374953
Hush. He needs some silver lining to withstand the 100 years time out.

>>96374928
Maybe? It's not just about Innate Gifts, and we often don't have a full picture even for that.

>>96374953
It's a genius play to force srtr to give him everlasting or lose her precious pawn

>>96374928
With prep time? Yes
Arena setting? No

>>96374928
NTA but most important fights in outer reincarnation seems to be more about preparation, fate abusing and your allies than raw fighting capabilities of a build

>>96374964
The real quitter talk is saying that Toybox is a serious option. Love SRTR, but she delivers some of the most trap options just for kicks. Stuff like Fiert and Toybox will fuck you over in the long run even if it seems way better then the others at first because you're basically signing off the potential to play the game and overcome its challeneges in the first place.

I mean, leaving it to the next outsider is a huge gamble which she doesn't even have a real concrete plan for except stacking the deck, and its more of an excuse for her to mess around with her playthings because she loves small scale stories. I'd rather not see how fucked it is by the time Charlotte has her hands in a stranglehold on the non-converted continents since being more in power also makes the possibility of the 12th being on her side greater.

If you want it done right, gotta do it yourself. Waiting for a hero or waiting for yourself to become a hero means you'll be sitting around forever even if you think all those fancy skills are going to help you, because you have yet to take the first step.

>>96374928
What stage are we talking about? Fighting Vtorusha with her first magitek gun and the Old Throne isn't the same.

>>96375028
Do the other outsiders get prep time too? You might be quite screwed of you give Vtorusha prep time.

>>96375061
It would be an even fight if vtorusha had prep time, but I would eek out a victory

>>96375061
It's just another technomagical nerd. If you build optimally you stomp.

>>96374928
Against the jobbers, yeah. Yphont and Tuzik are easy picking. Even Savmak despite his eye spam because even with his plans he was absolutely shit at seeing the consequences. Should've chosen Wisdom.

Everyone else, probably not. One and Vtorusha might be able to be fight with sheer strength and some planning, but the rest range from monsters to absolute bullshit. Like I don't want to even live in the same time period as Aat or Erginter. The bullshit those guys pulled off would probably make me fodder no matter how strong I thought I was. I'm not looking to be harvested for my gifts or just my entire body.

>>96375046
I think the toy box is a bad option simply for mental health reasons prolonged contact with SRTR doesn't seem healthy, look at Ratha and Zenia.

You could use dice fudge, Shta, and Xenia to learn everything you would've learned from Srtr.

>>96375076
You're the kind of guy that picks Nilmatrix aren't you

>>96375076
Anon, she invaded the metaworld and killed the very concept of True Dragons. You suffer from severe a case of nahidwinnington.

>>96375123
Proof?

>>96375125
Excel file, timeline.

>>96375082
>I don't want to even live in the same time period as Aat
Aat was a good boy. Yphont gave him a death letter and he was like "yeah, I get it, it's just a misunderstanding" and didn't do anything bad to her. They even worked together.

>>96375135
Doesn't say anything about erasing True Dragons.

>>96375153
NTA, but to see the side of the True Dragons you need to read Tsoshu too.
In fact, you should read the whole timeline.

>>96374953
I don't see why not. Skill and knowledge are not issues. I can play any role and understand their Meaning. I can even create or take over a country to aid in my study of the God-Script. In any case, I refuse to lose myself amidst reincarnations.

>>96375046
>leaving it to the next outsider
That is not the purpose of the Toybox. Under her tutelage, (You) and other anons in the Toybox will become the strongest and most knowledgeable beings in the world aside from the Elder Gods and Charlotte. There will likely be no need for the next Outsider to take action at all. It might help, but will it be a necessity? Unlikely.

>she doesn't even have a real concrete plan
She does, you just don't know about it. Or she doesn't need one. Elder Gods know the past and future. "The whole story is already written".

>>96375123
The most scary thing she pulled this shit in the span of 60 years from a fucking bronze age level of tech. What kind of bullshit inborn abilities did the old outsiders have?

>>96375175
It really does seem like you, personally, have been given the shittiest deck and spread of options of all the Outsiders.

>>96375182
Jobber mentality

>>96375175
Maker's Brush (x3) I'm guessing.

>>96375182
The Ninth Outsider made sure of that.

>>96375101
Ratha and Zenia are just pawns in a god's greater game. As an Outsider we get the privilege of choosing roles like Bishops or Knights. We at least had a life outside of all this beforehand, these guys were brought up in a world that has always been under the Elder Gods' hands and pulled every which way for reasons beyond them, so its probably way more damaging on their psyche. The way we're uplifted with the Outsider system versus them only being manipulated by it and actually having to have an audience with SRTR to try and reach out level compared is what I think shakes them so much. The novelty of an isekai life isn't to be underestimated.

>>96375143
Its not that he's a bad guy, he's just fuckin cracked. Had SRTR and YMRD's support, earned Everlasting TWICE, AND managed to fight Erginter into a draw. He's exactly like Savmak in that he knew what he wanted, how to get it, and had enough power and luck to achieve it. He barely took credit for any of it too. Even if it wasn't a Daemonhost, or THE Daemonhost, I still wouldn't want to fuck with him and try to fight his ass.

>>96375194
>luck

His luck was shit.

>>96375153
Post the timeline please.

>>96375182
next one will be much worse

>>96375194
>reach out level compared
Reach our level, accidently left an extra word in there shuffling things around.

>>96375174
You basically are leaving it to them though. Doesn't matter if they don't actually do anything and we're just waiting for when they spawn in so we can pop out and charge, you're actively letting the world progress under Charlotte's rule and trying to run with whatever idea SRTR has. Its avoiding the issue to try and surround yourself with numbers and just delaying everything for the shot at getting a better chance.

>>96375217
I mean he got fucked over a few times but he still had enough opportunities to slip through it. Some people would just get the shit end of the stick and thats all they have to grasp at. Even when cornered he had ways out.

How strong are the mechs? I'm going for an AAT x Phershepa build.

>>96375194
>fight Erginter into a draw
A black mark on Aat and a major achievement of Erginter if anything. 600 years of accumulation for a draw against Erginter's mere 100 years.

>>96375174
>I don't see why not.

The proper, normal ascension is something that happens naturally after you’ve experienced every possible role in every possible story, granting you the understanding and qualification necessary to write your own ones – you become an Elder God. It's impossible to do that in one lifetime you would be to set in your ways and mentality to be able to experience the full spectrum. That's why the reincarnation cycle is a part of all the Elder gods plans while they are in power you will eventually die it might take a millenia but eventually you will die by their will and you will reincarnate. Unless your planning to rebel.

>>96375221
It's one of the tabs in the exel file.
It should be in the Google Drive under Outer Reincarnation > Source Files.

>>96375283
Yeah but who want to lag through Google? It's bad enough Jumpchain does it.

>>96375260
That's taking Erginter lightly. Just cause they powergamed the shit out of their 100 years in hardmode doesn't mean Aat's 600 years was a less worthwhile. If Aat could only see a chance at victory through pulling what he did then I'd probably assume that was going to be the only way.

>>96375291
Google? I just downloaded the file there to peruse offline.

>>96375194
He was rejected by the companion he picked to be his waifu. And then people say that True Love is useless.

>>96375270
Ascension happens when you understand the god script, which is beaten into your soul by these experiences
You can technically ascend in one go but it's hard

>Erginter hunts down Yphont who was guesting with the Demon Lord of Mor and kills first the Majin ruler, and eventually her too.
The Uruk horde is released again.
Erginter gets together with Pantorai.
What a little shit.

>>96375314
nta but I find it hard to believe you can understand the god-script within a century no matter how focused you are.

>>96375299
Alright then why isn't it uploaded somewhere else?

>>96375332
How would I know? It's probably notes he took while making the CYOA, and left here for the lorefags curious enough for extra-curriculum ventures.

>>96373321
Not sure why Charlie insists on antagonizing every new Outsider, pretty sure most anons only care about the conflict because she's rude to them personally

>>96375314
One lifetime, might be feasible, but you would still need to die for that not physically but mentally become a new person to experience such things. Not all of the death slots kill the body some are more transformative. So while physically you don't have to die you will still need to die in other ways to achieve true ascension.

>>96375316
The fact she decided to hunt down the "let's all be friends" idealistic self sacrificial girl means that no post softening will make her not an asshole.

>>96375250
>actively letting the world progress under Charlotte's rule
That would be the case if this was not an Outer Tide.

>run with whatever idea SRTR has
You say like as if that is a bad thing, as if she was not a supreme being capable of seeing the future.

>>96375270
>experienced every possible role in every possible story
So Ielziaseh-from-Erebus' hypothesis has great merit. Good.

>It's impossible to do that in one lifetime you would be to set in your ways and mentality to be able to experience the full spectrum
There is no God-Script law locking people's minds.

>>96375327
>understand the god-script within a century
>within a century
What? Why would anyone limit themselves to a century? Obviously prolong your life for however much time is needed.

>>96375347
Might be bad blood from Katya, she even picked 0^0 as a patron

>>96375347
She probably thinks everyone not under her control is a pawn of the elder gods, therefore her enemy. You will eventually react with scorn, and she will be validated.

>>96375314
Ielziaseh shows what happens when you try to play every possible role to get their meaning in one lifetime, you simply go mad. And she has been doing it for 700 years.

>>96375347
I think she's just an asshole.

>>96375365
>There is no God-Script law locking people's minds.
There is not, go experience ego death and live life as a new person in the same body I guess, personally I like maintaining my own identity but if your willing to modify your own personhood go ahead. Some of the death slots exactly do these non physical personality deaths.

>>96375365
>>run with whatever idea SRTR has
>You say like as if that is a bad thing, as if she was not a supreme being capable of seeing the future.
NTA, but I'm not sure she does I'm not sure any of them does.
Sure, things are written and they know it (hence the somewhat lax attitude towards Charlotte) but they aren't written like omniscient beings. JNPL is salty from being killed. SRTR and YMRD didn't know about the dream potential. SRTR is truly trapped. YMRD doesn't know how to flip the situation yet.

>>96375182
Real, like wtf does "True Drakonic Solipsism" and "Undivine Vacuity" even mean?

>>96375396
What is this unhinged response? How did me saying that nothing is locking people's minds' as a response to your absolute statement prompt you to tell me to experience ego death when I previously said that I would avoid that at all cost?

>>96375377
>1 experiment with 1 subject proves/disproves theories
That's not good science, anon.

>>96375417
They may not be omniscient, but they're the closest to it. Reading the God-Script allows for seeing the past and future. See: God-Script language and All-Glimpse.

They have also gone through the ascension process, taken on every role and all, so they're not just armchair strategists.

Their skill and knowledge can only be the best of the best.

>>96374888
How strong are mechs for real?

>>96375444
Well probably some true dragon bullshit, her mother was a true dragon and since the true dragons are dead we probably can't access their stuff

>>96375478
>Their skill and knowledge can only be the best of the best.
I'll disagree. If anything, it proves that method of ascension is flawed if they're the expected results.

>>96375488
Some of them are really quite strong, giving the user (The equivalent of) x3 gifts for free
One of them Is strong enough to rend mountains

>>96375255
>>96375488
greater warmachina are like an autoantecedence'd gift, but not limited to those which can be purchased multiple times and have physical stats of a giant robot
check extended race list on the living warmachina entry for examples

>>96375488
Vtorusha godscripted true dragons out of existence with a mech, they're pretty fucking busted.

>>96375533
Just like I will write out Empyreans.

>>96375549
Based

>>96375478
>What is this unhinged response?
That becouse becoming an elder god requires you to be unhinged by human standars why do you think their morality is so alien from ours. To truely ascend you would become like them.
Do you think its possible to experience every possible role in every possible story by maintaining the same identity? It's not to experience every role you will commit everything from the most righteous of good to the most vile and disgusting of evil to be able to do such spectrum of deeds you would need to be insane, constantly changing yourself to embody a new role abandoning your old and in this evershifting existence you will lose your old self.

>>96375549
you're not writing out anything without that piece of rock missing from the throne

>>96375581
Guess we will need to gauge out yasods eyes to get the piece of stone back

>>96375609
All according to keikaku.

>>96375566
>Do you think its possible to experience every possible role in every possible story by maintaining the same identity?
Absolutely.

>commit everything from the most righteous of good to the most vile and disgusting of evil to be able to do such spectrum of deeds you would need to be insane
Not at all. Anyone sufficiently evil, uncaring, or utilitarian can do any arbitrary amount of evil. Good is much easier, even the average person can play the role of a saint if they have sufficient power—they will likely enjoy it too.

It's mostly a matter of ambition and skill.

>>96373658
>>96375153
Where do you find these? Are they hidden cause the source files are all different.

>>96375636
Anons are posting screenshot of the Timeline tab of the Outer Reincarnation.xlsx.

>>96375646
I had the file and deleted it, my retarded ass could not see it before but it does now, Thx

>>96375690
>Conquest of Mamet is finished
Suuuuuuuuuuuure.

>>96375633
But merely doing an action would not be enough you would need to embody the role fully to understand it's true meaning. You would need to experience the full spectrum the suffering, the strife, loss, victory, perseverance, joy. I don't think you will be able to live out a role fully without losing a bit of what you were before. Like would you be able to live out an existence that is the complete opposite of your current one and do it genuinely believing this is who you are?

>>96375709
If it is literally every possibility, doesn't this mean that the Outer Gods have experienced all of the events of every story an Anon could choose already as every participant? That sounds boring as fuck.

>>96375737
>If it is literally every possibility
It's not. Just a large amount of different roles.

>>96375737
I think it's not exactly how anon perceives it, because there's already some guy who did it and fucked off to make his own world.

>>96375705
Well this is quate from Tankista in one of those q&a

"There are three things we can differentiate here.

The proper, normal ascension is something that happens naturally after you’ve experienced every possible role in every possible story, granting you the understanding and qualification necessary to write your own ones – you become an Elder God, indistinguishable from the three already existing ones. Whether that means you get your own new pillar with a new theme or you copy one already present and leave to make your own world doesn’t really matter.

There’s false ascent, a process through which you become an Empyrean. It’s the state that is opposite to being Undead. Undead are too firmly embedded in the world/story and refuse to let go of their lives in it, defying the natural providence and staying “alive” despite everything. Empyrean is the opposite, the state where you’re too detached from the world/story, and so your physical death doesn’t really matter to you – you can just jog back to your corpse as a spirit and revive. Despite principles behind both things being opposite, the outcome is similar. I’ll touch upon this a bit more in the update this summer (hopefully).

And then there’s False Ascent (but it’s often not capitalized in the CYOA) – the very first instance of the previous thing occurring, given greater importance because it was conflated with the moment when 0^0 entered the Three Pillars and killed [JNPL], taking her spot."

The outsider system is probably the worst thing for the long term survivability of a anon as every century you have to worry that the system doesn't just put you in there and then the next outsider decides to pick you and give you a death slot.

>>96375876
Just be antisocial enough that the system won't pick you

>>96375876
so you're saying the best choice for the longterm is to make yourself an ugly malformed hag so that no one in their right mind would want to choose you

>>96375899
How'd being antisocial work for Savmak?

>>96375899
I guess if you become boring enough and do nothing the outsider system will skip you over

>>96371953 (OP)
Why is Tuzik the only Outsider to have taken all the mental inborn gifts? What the hell is wrong with the others? Erginter makes sense, but the others???

Why the fuck did Savmak take Meandering Thought?

Why did Erginter take Iotated Az and not something like, say, Yat? Surely she was more than powerful enough to set up revival methods.

>>96375876
You can destroy it with 0^0. How romantic!

>>96375919
>Why is Tuzik the only Outsider to have taken all the mental inborn gifts? What the hell is wrong with the others? Erginter makes sense, but the others???
Their builds had different aims (Kill Elder Gods, have a comfy life, make everyone friends, steal powers, etc).Tuzik maxed out the mental gifts because he was paranoid.
Do you feel like taking the mental gifts should be a mandatory purchase?

>>96371953 (OP)
I wish we got a few examples of the level of power Autoantecedence allow (with some 1 & 4 Ap Gifts), it's quite expensive and you can't even give it to your offsprings.

>>96375876
Pick Rhucuphre as a mentor.

>>96375919
Mental gifts aren't all powerful boons, just a support for your learning. Intelligence doesn't suddenly make you a genius, you are just better at understanding things, attentiveness just makes you good at detective work, etc.
Like the martial inclination, it's merely a help you can get by yourself, not a super power unlike the other boons. I can imagine several people just picking the ability to run super fast or become a host of demons before that.

>>96375939
Typically, one would be hard pressed to find better boons than upgrades to one's mind. A few more mental gifts would have done Vtrorusha, Savmak, Charlotte, and Katya a lot of good.

Also, Savmak was the paranoid one, not Tuzik.

>>96375908
but you see the existence of Rhucuphre as a mentor shows that even she couldn't hide from the outsider system, so you probably won't be able to do so too. Especially as the system has a bias of picking outsiders as an option.

>>96375508
What if an Halfbreed, turn one half into an Undead and the other half into an Empyrean ?

>>96375876
>the next outsider decides to pick you and give you a death slot

>>96375942
It's a really stupid idea but assuming you get the right INT perks and mentors who know about Death Runes.
>Autoantecedence + Treacherous Palm (x1)
>R'tsy
>Boomerang your deathrune at 0^0
>???
>Profit (Both die horribly.)

>>96375909
I may decide to give him a body after having a child with his great granddaughter, but only if he doesn't try to backstab me later.

>>96375908
>make yourself an ugly malformed hag
You don't have the guts to do it, even in a life or death situation.

>>96375919
Tuzik had all the mental gifts and did absolutely nothing, intelligence seems like the most important mental stat as most outsiders took it.

>>96376022
>intelligence seems like the most important mental stat as most outsiders took it.
cope stat for people who don't trust themself

>>96376022
>did absolutely nothing,
He experienced comfy home adventures like exploring dungeons and stopping raids with apparently his several waifus since all his companions are female and he took Throughbreed.
That looks like an enlightened mind in my opinion.

>>96375876
It's not hard to wrangle most of the deaths if you know which one has been assigned to you. Methods include: having All-Glimpse, talking to an Elder God, being good enough at the God-Script, mind reading the Outsider, and just figuring it out.

>>96376036
>It's not hard to wrangle most of the deaths if you know which one has been assigned to you
Unless you actually play into the story and the dangers then the letter will find you regardless and some don't have loopholes. Just look at Savmak thinking he wouldn't have friends.

>>96376035
>Throughbreed
On this topic, does it affect Majin spawned from Daemonhost? It'd be a killer combo.

>>96376035
the softest outsider...

>>96376048
you will have to fuck your majin the hard way bucko

>>96375876
I wonder if you move in to the Ecumene will you not be able to be chosen because your out of the range of the outsider system?

What was the name of that demon lord CYOA with multiple endings based on your choices? I thought it was Dawn of the Demon lord but I was wrong.

>>96376163
Are you thinking of Rise of the Dark Lord?
https://imgchest.com/p/na7km2bm48d

>>96376141
Anon if the Ecumene exists 100 years from now everyone is fucked.

>>96376183
Oh fuck, that's a new one to me. The one I'm thinking of had you start as a hero but you end up becoming corrupted and take the place of the dark lord.

>>96375876
Perhaps the only acceptable path here is to accept Death, like Sarmat the Chaddest of Chads did.

>>96376186
That's not my problem.
>Clean it up, Twelth!

>>96376239
Apodaimosis by Tim.

>>96376186
just join the wining team anon, fuck the elder gods

>>96376252
>Twelfth is limited to human races, location-locked to Northern Doria, and companions/mentors are only about -3 cost and less

>>96376277
>Race choices:
>Northerner
>Southlander

>>96376003
NTA but [Bleeding Heart Gesture]×3 would work much for that purpose. Being able to reflect fate itself back on your attacker. Its the ultimate M.A.D skill. And if learn Keter's death-cheating method you could even survive afte the fact.

>>96376277
>Twelfth limited to uruk, location locked to ruins of Orthrung continent

>>96376275
That's how losers think.

>>96376307
Hopefully they plug the hole in the system that lets Urukfags exist next time.

Isekai (Dropped straight in as you are now)
Isekai (Born in but keep your memories)
which one

>>96376277
Destroying the world to handicap the next Outsider is mandatory since the 8th.

>>96372579
Imagine being an Unnotable One and getting to bang one of the legends of your time

>>96376320
The later.

>>96376320
I'd prefer the first one. I like my body, and I don't want to suck on a stranger's tit for food. It will never be Mom.

>>96376337
>missing out the best part of isekai
gay

>>96376337
>Bore you in her womb
>Raised you with love and care
>Fed you, cleaned you, taught you everything
>Loves you more than anything in the world
>"You're not my real mom!"
Pathetic.

>>96376322
Its a glorious system you see, you send in an outsider to fix the problems caused by the previous outsider, they fuck up the world in the process then you send the next outsider to fix that problem and so on and so on

>>96376320
Depends on powerful we start as.

>>96376048
Probably. Dei's little bio says that children of Demon Lords are usually Demon Lords themselves, and considering that your parents are how you got it in the first place the link between the two pretty much ensures that you'll get it passed on.

Its just letting out a bunch of Majins who can make armies is a bad idea which is why its stated they tend to not have many children of their own unless they plan to send them off somewhere far to reduce the chances of a power struggle or some other amicable agreement between the lords are made.

>>96376359
Until you get to now, where the Outsider basically doesn't have any good options since all the strong and cool stuff has been destroyed.

>>96376362
Ah I misunderstood, thought you meant the ones produced naturally and passing it on that way, not the ones spawned from the ability itself. That would be a horde to rival Uruks and I think YMRD would get another green light to nuke everything.

>>96376361
Depends on how many points you spend on being strong early

>>96376362
Just take note that naturally born majin children are feral majin not spawned by the demonhost

>>96376377
everything has been going down hill since they killed the dragons, we need to revive the dragons to get the cool shit back

>>96376377
All-Glimpse is the best.

>>96376403
>Hi yes give me brain damage

>>96376382
I wonder which Demonic Realm is the one the Empire's royal family descends from to get their little shadow eyes. Probably Aid and Hel.

>>96376260
That's the one, thanks

>>96376320
#2
It's a natural start with an organic background that you directly lived through.
Plus it helps you shake off any disabilities, health issues, poor habits, and awkwardness you might of had from your old life.

>>96376408
>he didn't take all the mental gifts to brainmaxx
Charlie (nigh-omniscient goddess with deus ex machina) will run circles around you bro

>>96376427
Don't forget trauma. How many of the average anon's bad habits are ultimately sourced from a poor upbringing? A loving family could really help fix a lot of you.

>>96376337
>It will never be Mom
It's like getting a new dog, it may or may not be better than the old one after you had several years of bonding together.

>>96376320
Latter, I want to suck on a strangers tit for food
(But only if that stranger is hot)

>>96376443
But I want my old one.

>>96376408
All-Glimpse + Vigilant strand
greatest combo now your always paranoid and checking the strings of fate to see why the fuck your hair is twitching only to realize its your mom asking for grandkids

>>96376382
Can someone with more IQ than me explain to how to read this? What's a Demonic Realm?

>>96376403
Its great at what it does, but from a storytelling perspective its boring as fuck.
Its definitely the most isekai "cheat" like gift. I understand if you're the sort that doesn't give two fucks about plots and narratives and just wants to minmax. But personally it's not for me.

>>96376457
>your mom asking for grandkids
That's why making her die in childbirth is based.

>>96376458
to put simply pretty much demon nations

>>96376427
>>96376445
>>96376330
If you pick 2 do you want your isekai upbringing to also be a choice?

>>96376462
It's interesting from a storytelling perspective when subverted. For example, Dirk Yesod has it, but he's mostly catatonic.

>>96376462
How anyone can opt for a comfy/roleplay build with the White Whore at the gates is beyond me.

>>96376359
>And when wintertime rolls around, the 0^0 will simply freeze to death

>>96376397
There are a bunch of creatures we need. Dragons. Sea-monsters. New flora and fauna of the more mundane variety, like Telvani mushroom towers.

I kind of want to make a CYOA about femenine suffering.
Would you guys be interested in something like that?

Am I reading Autoantecedence right that I need to purchase the power a third time as well?

>>96376482
Not my problem + she will ignore you if you do the same.

Is Icon of Icons a trap? I thought for sure it was based on that tidbit from the Keter, where the power of the friendship can only be supported by SRTR. Turns out she doesn't even have it.

>>96371953 (OP)
Autoantecedence doesn't even say you get to choose what the third Gifts will do, Triple Overstep might allow you to walk on air but you can't lower your elevation anymore.

>>96376469
Yeah, kinda like a guideline for your lifepath.
But I think you should be able to off the beaten path if you try hard enough, like molesting a girl you know and then being beaten to death by her angry father. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

>>96376508
>trusting that vindictive bitch

>>96376507
Yes, Autoantecedence make buying it a third time possible but you still need to do so

>>96376508
I sure wonder what she will do with loose ends once the conquest is complete!

>>96376523
It costs soooooo many points AAAAAAHHHHH.

>>96371953 (OP)
>take JNLP as your mother
>attach Zhivete to her death rune so she ressurects
Find a flaw

>>96376502
You're better off asking the /trash/ sister thread.

>>96376535
[JNPL] doesn't have a death rune.

>>96376535
wait wtf

>>96376397
>>96376496
Why do you want the sociopathic overpowered dragons back?

>>96376543
She does, its PSI

>>96376509
well it works, but its not like its a auto win, especially when your dealing with fate fuckery, you can be amped up as much as you want but you can still be tricked, trapped and fucked over in many ways. Like Charlie took down a literal gods so power level isn't everything.

>>96376543
your Psi?

>>96376523
Thanks. It's just one more point for me so not too bad.

>>96376502
If it's "man bad" then no, I wouldn't.
If it's genuinely about the struggles in life, like playing the role of a harem member and the issues that come with it, yes.

>>96376535
It doesn't seem to be retroactive.

>>96376550
So Outsiders can start being offered the good stuff again

>>96376563
So he should go for the reincarnation or undead one instead?

>>96376550
If a fantasy setting has dead dragons, it is imperative they are brought back

>>96376469
Yes
A mother who disagrees with my values would be a huge drag for as long as I live

>>96376574
She's already reincarnated.
For the same reason, I don't think the undead one would work either, because she's not in the afterlife waiting room, nor "dead".

>>96376502
No
It's both not my deal and an extremely worn concept
Even on trash I doubt anyone could muster enthusiasm without a strong pull

>>96376535
You cannot assign her a rune if you don't have access to her death slot.

>>96376320
2
>>96376469
Yes

>>96376550
Everything has been growing down hill since the dragons went away, in the good old days the outsiders could break and ruin reality itself by unleashing materialized nightmare now we are only scorching and salting continents. We need even more power to fuck up the world even more.

>>96376535
It only saves one from a death that is yet to happen. [JNPL] has been dead for hundred years. Plus I don't think its that simple to revive an Elder God.

>>96376596
>>96376578
>>96376515
I feel like this almost runs the danger of becoming so in depth that it becomes its on CYOA though separate from the main one. Like choosing parents and shit in addition to general upbringing + the option to defy your upbringing for a separate buff etc.

>>96371953 (OP)
>Adopted
>True love original mother
Tell me why it wouldn't work

>>96376320
Second, but I'd take the first if I got enough benefits
>>96376469
Why wouldn't you want that?

>>96376382
It's the other way around. Anyone who is born outside of the Demon Realm counts as a feral Majin by default. The chart itself mentions breeding programs in their cities, and we know of at least one Mentor who became a feral Majin.

>>96376602
It's not due to the dragons disappearing. One could even argue they wiped themselves out by joining the fray unprompted.

>>96376607
She'd look at you once and immediately recognize you as her son

>>96376607
You did it anon! You found a way to fuck your mother!

>>96371953 (OP)
can i fuck my mother in this cyoa?

>>96376607
If you want incest that badly just go for the Dragon Oyakodon route
kind of hot that Paxxia fucks you while you're around 14

>>96376606
It can be relatively loose
+1 for bad parents, not openly abusive but bad
0 for setting average parents
-1 for unusual parents
You may design them within your selected range

>>96376630
Biological? no. Adoptive? maybe?

>>96376630
i swear i made this post not seeing >>96376607 and the answers

>>96376625
True love still triggers

>>96376631
Paxxia grooming is the only reason to consider taking Pantorai, since Erginter's genes are so weak

>>96376631
>Anon picked the Paxxia lewd encounter and forgot it
>14 years later
>Anon is pissed off because he was doing something else/already have his waifu/doesn't like Paxxia at all
>Paxxia is pissed off because her hormones push her toward a 14 yo midget which run opposite from her 'iron-fisted ruler' persona
I guess the System doesn't care if it's an hatefuck?

>>96376606
I'm a different anon from the one asking but here is how I have handled it
>Choose Race. Race comes with social expectations and stereotypes.
>Choose birthplace. Description includes what life is like living here.
>Choose occupations of your parents/guardians. This will determine how your family will raise you.
Put it all together and you've chosen your general upbringing but it will still be up to you out you handle it.

>Red Race known for being extroverted meatheads, born in a frozen country that requires survival skills to thrive, merchant parents that often put you to work growing up leading you to learn their craft early
Combine with companions who could have chosen at childhood there you go.

>>96376648
Maternal Love

>>96376663
>hatefuck
SRTR lives for that shit.

>>96376678
Nursing handjob

>>96376630
asking the real questions

>>96376550
It isn't wanting them back, it's wanting the fantastic and iterating upon what has been or could be. If this world is a story you have to give something back to it rather than just take things out. And honestly we did the dragons of old, now is the time for new dragons.

>>96376699
NTA but that's why I want to bring the Changelings back.

>>96376630
well you probably can, you technically don't even need true love for that if you somehow are able to seduce them the old fashioned way

>>96376560
Well then who is suopposed to be the bad guy?
just kidding there will be evil women and men.

>>96376591
Its supposed to be saviourfag fantasy for you.

>>96376537
It won't be lewd tho.

>>96376702
Why? They're the one thing that's better of staying gone

>>96376642
great minds think alike

>>96376712
>saviourfag
I'm pretty sure that was the goal of Used Goods Auction, and it ended being miseryporn.

>>96376712
Ah, a savior thing
We had a bit of that with used goods but we could use more
Sure, go for it

>>96376620
>It's not due to the dragons disappearing.
It is due to all the cool stuff collectively disappearing, though.

>>96376731
That's because nobody actually wants used goods.

>>96371953 (OP)
Is Magician's Hand overrated? Can't you just cast a spell that spawns 3 fireballs instead of casting 3 fireball spells?

>>96376702
they brining the changelings back, time to fold eleven more demon lords to burn the Orthrung continent again

>>96376748
The guy with 2x magicians hand could cast a spell that cast 3 fireballs 3 times in a row against you

>>96376699
Yeah the only really high powered thing you can get is the JNPL thing, and that's only an anti-Charlotte cheat, otherwise all the powers and artifacts and such are busted or non-existent so you're stuck doing shit like buying a danger ahoge or the ability to make it shady with your eyes.

>>96376737
It's due to the circumstances changing, though. Like most Extended Races being unavailable because they're either extinct or affiliated with the Ecumene. There are only two innate gifts linked with True Dragons.

>>96376776
Yes the circumstances have changed and now there are no cool things left, so anon wants to bring back or create more cool things to have. Simple.

>>96376748
It's 1/3 the cost

>>96376785
There is no cost to spellcasting.

>>96376764
That's only your starting point. Erginter proved that it means little.

>>96376789
Erginter had access to an extinct ability that lets you steal inborn gifts. Keyword: extinct, you can't do that anymore.

I find it a bit funny if you pick something Liberta and decide to join the Ecumene to fuck over the story if you pick Everlasting, then the system will even reward you for working against the elder goods, good job buddy your going against the tale, here is your cookie.

>>96376796
They're like supportive moms who'll cheer you on no matter what.

>>96376712
>just kidding there will be evil women and men
As it should be. I am mostly likely the minority but a true harem survival CYOA complete with political drama, assassination attempts between the women, sometimes toward the harem lead himself, poisoning, witchcraft, rankings between wives and possibly full on brawls depending on how fun you want to get with the setting would be fun. I have I mind to make this myself but I'm already working on something.

>>96376786
>Normally, repeated use of spells quickly accumulates mental exhaustion in the caster
Blazing seal

>>96372579
Man seeing Savmak's build really makes me lean towards grabbing Meandering Thought if they made it work while having Overflowing Pupil. Issue is I don't know if it actually was meaningless to a guy who didn't cast magic or if it actually would have some effect and he messed up because he's retarded.

The risk that its the latter is pretty high, I mean the dude took all these eyes but didn't grab any Eyes of Fore despite his paranoia, but who knows, maybe it wasn't an option till way later because absolutely no one but Katya grabbed it. Makes me wonder how often powers are cycled out as YMRD played around with a rolling system and we know at the very least when some stuff got shifted around with Charlotte, but some people still only have some gifts that only they have but that might largely be due to personal taste.

>>96376731
>>96376734
I don't plan to have them be used goods maybe one rape victim at most.
The hook is that the ones you don't pick wil die.

>>96376816
The used goods thing was the weakest part of used goods auction
Honestly even one rape victim is one too many

>>96376806
>a true harem survival CYOA complete with political drama, assassination attempts between the women, sometimes toward the harem lead himself, poisoning, witchcraft, rankings between wives and possibly full on brawls depending on how fun you want to get with the setting
I'd sacrifice a few people for something like that.

>>96371953 (OP)
Martial Instinct and Noble Inclination vs a 3 points mentor and Thouroughbreeding?

>>96376826
You are supposed to choose, frogfag

>>96376786
It's mentioned several times that spellcasting is exhausting and the meaning is reduced if used continuously.

>>96376826
Which mentor?

>>96376826
>choice cuckodry

>>96376833
I wish to see others' opinions to make a more informed choice.

>>96376838
Any of the mages, really. Lots of good choices. Considering Eirina mainly for now.

>>96376320
First, for me personally

>>96376826
kids are risky, they might betray you in the future

>>96376836
Only repeated spells exhaust. A 3 fireballs spell is no more tiring than a 1 fireball spell.

>>96376838
He has no build, no notes, no lengthy internal monologue
There is no wonder or joy in him whatsoever
Which mentor you ask?
None, his heart runs dry

>>96376826
If you're going a mage route then you probably don't need those gifts. Getting someone who can help you speedrun your magical knowledge and pick up some of their special tricks along the way is invaluable since you'll be cutting down years of time spent grinding it the hard way.

>>96376870
You'd probably get more value from a mentor than the cheaper gifts if you convince them to teach you more

>>96376826
Depend of the mentor, how many Gifts you have and if having Gifted kids is part of some plan.

>>96376813
Who needs Eyes of Fore when you have the ultimate paranoid fuck build All-Glimpse + Vigilant strand... look into the future to understand why you hair is twitching, is it an assassin? Well no, it seems like a bird is going to shit on you and ruin your favourite suit

>>96376899
Were the other Outsiders not offered All-Glimpse, or did they just not like spoilers?

>>96376906
[YMRD] might've busted out the big guns to deal with Charlotte.

>>96376917
Then why are our other options so weak?

>>96376899
All-Glimpse is fuckin boring though. Charlotte knew what they were doing by leaving it in. Unironically will handicap you from actually making a story or maneuvering through it if you are just handed the answers on a silver platter. Feels like you'll be using it as a crutch and you'll end up someone who just parrots the information given to them and goes the most straightforward path.

It's the ultimate "You Didn't Work for It" bait and it seems far likelier you'll get trapped within the Meanings if you keep on viewing it like that.

>>96376882
A 3 fireball spell will probably exhaust more than a 1 fireball spell as its more complex and longer to cast making it strain the mind more.

>>96376929
Casting doesn't strain the mind unless you mean saying an extra word is an actual problem.

>>96376924
Because Charlotte's sabotaged the system to the utmost extent.

>>96376926
This is my read on it. Prescience leads to a lack of Meaning which is why it wasn't offered to the previous Outsiders, but the current circumstances are dangerous.

>>96376926
You can find all the Meaning you like in getting stomped by Charlotte, but it won't lead you to any good end after her victory.

>>96376942
well kinda yes, cause you not only need to say it but impart proper meaning to it and you need to concentrate more so you spell it properly so you potentially don't accidentally die from misspelling.

>>96376924
Jobber cyoa

>>96376953
If you think the All-Glimpse is going to stop you from getting curb stomped you are already putting too much into it. The world's a living story, you aren't supposed to break down the story into its most basic components. It's like learning music theory and trying to make the mathematical perfect product. Each Letter and its Meaning can manifest in a myriad different ways depending on the context which is why all the Elder Gods have great overarching stories, even SRTR as she follows you as an important character over the world at large.

Charlotte left it there so you'd deconstruct the story and see it in that light rather. Full understanding of God Script is much different than viewing it at face value which is why the actual language is barred off and we're given this ability to view it from the outside instead. You're just paying for a worse version of comprehension which everyone above you already has mastered.

>>96377018
>The world's a living story
Not with 0^0 in charge.

>>96377018
You don't have the luxury of engaging in 'fun' with her breathing down your neck, you need to kill her before you have any concerns about shit like 'spoiling your fun.'

All Glimpse is fairly dangerous. To use it I think you need a degree of willful blindness. I personally want to get it for its applications in magic.

You need to ignore the letters, turn them into visual noise. Not sure if that's doable though.

>>96377018
Personally I am taking All-Glimpse so I could horde magic lore easier. The more magic lore you have the crazier shit you can pull.

All-Glimpse, and if you want a break from the information overload, Kneeling Twilight x2. Simple as.

>>96377021
Yeah which is why doubling down and trying to renounce it further to attempt at beating Charlotte at her own game is stupid. Its pigeonholing you into an impossible position. You'll think you have all the knowledge but have none of the imagination which will make it work.

>>96377032
It's not that simple. You've already lost if you think you'll be anywhere near her level in a reasonable timeframe even with those eyes. I mean we already know what hurt Charlotte the most with Kilyn's scheme. Seeing the God Script and cobbling together some string of letters just because you can see their Meaning is nothing like how God Script is actually used.

>>96377069
Kneeling twilight 1 is kinda good enough as all glimpse already provides you no need for sleep, eating and drinking well depends but if you also picked everlasting it might become redundant

>>96377018
>Charlotte left it there
I don't think she much control over what Inborn Gifts are available. Sure, the races and locations and other info can be blocked because of the Ecumene, but I think that section's beyond her.

>>96377078
Sure anon, intentionally crippling yourself and only picking comfy slice of life options will magically help you beat Charlotte.

>>96377089
>make a comfy slice of life build
>pick 0^0 as a patron
>move to the Ecumene
>keep chilling
>Ecumene conquers the rest of the world
>just keep chilling

>do nothing
Charlie wants to kill off the cute elves. That alone makes her the enemy in my book.

>>96377087
Well, kind of wish it were the case because that just means the original powers in the first version were just shit as is. They need to give us Maker's Brush back or something then because the Elder Gods can't seriously expect us to work with super grip strength and the weakest stealth eyes ever seen, or not seen I guess.

>>96377089
Anon, no one said that we're just choosing to ignore the threat of Charlotte and going for comfy options. All-Glimpse is just not going to be what gives you enough God Script knowledge to best Charlotte and stifle your growth. Viewing God Script as your only hope and subsequently trying to break it down into a basic form for you to understand and use is just not a good idea. You're trying to consider yourself on the tier of an Elder God when you aren't. Doesn't matter if it takes 100 years, you won't be able to pull off what Charlotte did since you'll have to go for something she isn't expecting.

>>96371953 (OP)
I was always wondering. Why is it Charles who describe letters meaning to us?

>>96377120
You can make new elves
If you took deamonhost you can even do it for free

>>96377126
NTA but All-glimpse would improve ones growth in the magical skill department not stiffle like that's literally in its description. "For those trying to discern meaning and cast spells, this gift is invaluable"

>>96377126
I personally don't like All Glimpse because it makes for a harder to write story when you can literally see everything as it is, but it is a tool just like all the other choices. It's neither a trap nor the solution to all the problems, you just need to take it into account when making up the whole of your character. As long as they accept they will forever be bored, Anons can easily just find uses with it.

>>96377126
Literally everything is the God Script and thus it can benefit literally everything. There's no plot of yours that can't benefit from reading the behind the scenes notes.

>>96377160
Because she's seething about them.

>>96377165
Those are Majins anon, and they're autistic.

>>96371953 (OP)
Is wereplague worth it or nah?

>>96377160
Well SRTR usually does it, but as she is in the box, and Charlie wants to give less hints to the player she does it instead

>>96377191
Prettt fine, also curable, but 2x is a bit more risky as you would become non sentient in animal form.

>>96377190
Elves are also autistic unless they were Changelings, in which case they're autistic and trans.

>>96377191
Get an influential or powerful mage parent and it's free.

>>96377210
>in which case they're autistic and trans.
Same thing.

>>96377191
The first level is 2 Ap for 12 hours once a month in the form of an animal that isn't sapient, (You) will still be sapient, and if you got important parents you can get it remove early too.

>>96377180
Yeah for using it for its magical effects, but on a wider scale of using that Meaning beyond just discerning it is where I think it'll hinder you. When I'm talking about God Script usage I'm talking about the extremely high scale combinations that are expected to be used against Charlotte. The knowledge to know the Meaning versus the actual skill to utilize it to its fullest is what I'm arguing about.

>>96377181
>>96377183
I mean I do personally consider that a very boring story, and the issue with having all that knowledge on demand is that it will inevitably change your world view. I was going to compare it to a child who could always read others thoughts but I remember that it does in fact let you do that, so honestly can't really compare it to anything. If you already know everything and how its going to happen how are you going to do anything different. Its spoilers for a reason, you're just committing to upholding a certain end at that point.

>>96377191
Kind of feels like prime time to get targeted by a death slot when you're more vulnerable. Though I do have to wonder if Gifts stay in your new form since its technically still your body, because being a bear or something similar with superpowers is an interesting concept

>>96377190
Elf shaped Majins with big ears and boobs and traits selectively bred by you over millenia
You could make them better then elves

>>96377227
>The knowledge to know the Meaning versus the actual skill to utilize it to its fullest is what I'm arguing about.
But the All-Glimpse will help with that in the end. Why would would that hinder you? Just pair it with the other mental gifts so you can both have the ability to perceive Meaning AND comprehend them.

>>96377227
>Though I do have to wonder if Gifts stay in your new form since its technically still your body, because being a bear or something similar with superpowers is an interesting concept
I assume that you do, since there isn't anything to point say otherwise. The only question is how much can we stretch the definition of "common animal" it already says that insects and fish are on the table.

I wonder which Mother and Father combination would result in the best childhood.

>>96371953 (OP)
We need to know what Gifts Paxxia have to min-max Apantoxia.
If Paxxia got Thoroughbreeding and a bunch of Gifts that conflict with nothing you might be able to have Apantoxia get most of the Body, Mind, Sense, Mark and Wings Gifts plus a set of Eye, Arm and Leg.

>>96377266
Depends on the child

>>96377244
nta, but I think what he's getting at is: Internalising Meaning in an organic matter via personal experience is much better and more effective than just learning it by artificially means like All-Glimpse. Its comes down to am argument of Quality vs Quantity.

>>96376748
There's nothing better. It's the best arm option for magic already. However, I see an argument that the points are better spent on buying more/better characters. Is it better than, for example, being mentored by Dirk Yesod? Before anyone says that's a different point type, language point manipulation has that solved (usually).

Any BukiGODs here?

>>96377281
At level 3 the theif hand has range
You can strip people from across the room

>>96377283
What's the point of taking anything but Buki for yourself?

>>96377281
>best arm option for magic already.
consider double stifling of arms
you're basically invulnerable in melee
and no one can challenge you at range because wizard

>>96377281
Nah Dirk is a shit mentor imo, he's basically a flesh search engine. You might as well get All-Glimpse yourself for the same price and skip the middleman.

>>96377244
I just think there's going to be a fundamental difference between those who took the quick way versus those who've learned it by actually experiencing it. Those who actually used the All Glimpse don't ever seem live for themselves. Since we are obtaining it with the Outsider System it'll be much easier getting it without any of those complications but even so dealing with the bluntness of this reality and not even being able to enjoy any of the intricacies that you'll only notice from putting the connections together instead of being outright told will inevitably shift your view of the world. Besides being able to actually see magical letters right in front of you of course. If you're planning to be an Author, which inevitably anyone delving this deep into Meaning will try to achieve, it's going to make you worse at it despite the technical knowledge you may possess.

>>96377280
> Internalising Meaning in an organic matter via personal experience is much better and more effective than just learning it by artificially means like All-Glimpse.
Based on what grounds? In the OR world, there's Meaning in everything. Why the distinction between natural and artificial? There's no wrong way to do things, and even the Elder Gods were completely fine with Outsiders "artificially" uplifting their world's tech, as seen in the Youth section.

>>96377293
Shenanigans. I'm going to do an inverse of these dweebs clinging to immortality.

>>96377300
Once again, enjoyment is for people that don't need to put down a god.

>>96371953 (OP)
Forget Autoantecedence, what's the best Blessing you can get from [God Hand]×2?
I was thinking of good'ol regeneration.

>>96377316
Do we have a reference for these blessings to scale with? Otherwise, it's Anti-Empyrean for me. Those "angels: have had it for too long.

>>96377300
I don't want to be an Author, I'll be quite content with being the most powerful undead to exist. Such is the power of Nagash. I want to be the Eldritch sorcerer twisting existence in ways it was never meant to be twisted, not a narrator.

It largely depends on if you can ignore what all glimpse is telling you if you just want to use it to research magic. You can probably make a spell for turning the information into meaningless (note the little m) visual noise.

>>96377304
>Based on what grounds?
Based on the ground that learning a skill from Google <<< IRL. No matter how much you learn from Google you can never be as good at a skill as someone who learned it organically from a experience and repetition.

>>96377333
>Anti-Empyrean
Undead?

>>96377356
Nah, I'm thinking like if you manage to kill them they actually die. Unhealable damage would be nice, but even I think that's too much.

I havd a concept of a CYOA. Basically, there have been multiple universes before the current one ran by a chief deity who gets succeded by an individual from their universe by force or consent because they want to be the new god/powertripping.

The last chief deity to incarnate the universe fucked up badly at the last moment and caused all previous universes histories to revive and bleed together. This also revived the former gods who want to play a great game to see who truly deserves to rule over the current history and have been messing with the universe.

You can't remember what place you are in history, but you still come back and now have to compete or work with the other gods. You pull companions from the bleeding history to your side and try to overwrite the bleeded world with your law/powersystem.

One of the oldest incarnating deities that loves everyone equally thinks you are special only for and to them because they really-really despise your existence. Out of all things to come before and after, you alone are the only one they hold malice towards, and that makes you special and only for them.

>>96377314
We've already seen how that shook out with Charlotte. Like I said before you can't play like they did if you actually want a shot at taking their reign down. The Empyrean route only goes so far, and you're not going to beat the False Ascent with a half hearted attempt. You're actively letting her make you rush your understanding. This whole "Kill a god" thing is not your entire existence. Yeah she'll be glad to kill you but you are an Outsider who can choose what life you want to live. I'm not advocating for completely ignoring her but someone obsessing over a perfect strategy to take her down is just not going to work.

>>96377345
All Glimpse is fine for things like that. All Glimpse is just not going to even get your foot in the door trying to stand in the same club the Elder Gods are. That's why I think its inherently a bad choice specifically for getting God Script knowledge to use against Charlotte. Any other usage is completely valid and it'll work great as long as you don't ever care about being bored.

>>96377355
You say this as if All-Glimpse prevents you from trying to apply that knowledge and learning normally, instead of being invaluable for those trying to "discern Meanings".

>>96376382
It bothered me in the original version but in the new one I cannot ignore it anymore. What is the deal with Fot?
He's the only character with an obvious place of origin, no hinted connection to anyone else and, for a demon lord, no tie to any Majin. He just seems like a random Demonhost father with nothing else going for him.

>>96377402
To be fair, part of my build warps reality in unnatural ways so things won't always be predictable. Not via pure Godscript either, but via spacetime chunks being moved around. I can likely still clean meaning naturally through the warped lenses. With enough Chaos, willful ignorance, alien meaning, and illusion I'm sure I can just get what I need for my projects. I do want to take down gods, but mostly by flipping the table via weird Eldritch crap. Part of the build is pulling a bubble of earth spacetime to Zemlya (the cyoa's setting for lack of a known name) and overlapping it with things, maybe I'll see if I can draw a chunk of Dreaming/Pandemonium too. Maybe I can create something akin to psykers? Sounds like an interesting challenge.

>>96377438
The Elder Gods can just make Demon Lords on their own for fun. They made Maou out of nothing to serve as an antagonist to Charlotte. Fot could easily be something they made up on the spot to give you the opportunity to be a Demonhost.

>>96377449
Man thats just how you get Uruks 2: Electric Boogaloo. But more power to you, even if historians in the future wish you had less. Ceding the battle to the more knowledgeable and proceeding to decimate what constitutes normal understanding is a way to go about things for sure.

I wish people would do more of the old-style non-anime single-page cyoas. Like the one where you gotta survive in Siberia for x years and so on and forth

>inb4 do it yourself
If I did it myself I wouldn't get to play it.

>>96376427
But I don’t have any of those
I’m great

>>96377629
>t. ok

Evens elf, odds dwarf.

>>96371953 (OP)
Why doesn't Charlotte use her divine might to bulldoze through all enemy nations?

>>96377738
See YRMD's companion page. Gods have divine might by basically writing the story, but if they contradict something already written, they can die as a result. Charlie isn't a real god and probably doesn't have full access to all of the story, but even if she did have that kind of access, large edits that would effect entire nations would absolutely contradict something and kill her. For example, if she uses her god powers to make her nation win a fight and bulldoze an enemy nation, it could make one of our encounters impossible or kill one of our NPCs, that would be a contradiction, and then she'd drop dead. Small edits on a personal scale against appropriate targets would obviously work, but she probably gets more mileage out of running her nation. Time investment and all.

>>96377777
Also why she used her stored demon bomb to blow up Orthung rather than just writing "and then all the elves fucking die."

>>96371953 (OP)
Can I let a companion kill steal Nilmatrix so they gain Empyreality instead?

>>96377777
Shame about that omniscience thing, could be funny to trick her into contradicting something

>>96377849
>omniscience
She's not, she says herself that there's a lot she doesn't know since she's not fluent in the Godscript. She explicitly doesn't know your choices, she can only make an educated guess and cannot predict the future. She's more someone who can use limited god cheats rather than a real deity.

>>96377849
Someone needs to 'Azura and the Box' her. She'd mald so hard thinking someone was leaking information it would buy people a few extra years.

>>96377777
>Five sevens

>>96371953 (OP)
Draw your path on the map
Use a base colour to indicate who you are and mark each of your encounters

>>96377314
I can talk her out of this.

The only bad thing about OR is how JNPL feels mandatory for her ability, while being taxing in points and not letting you have inherted inborn gifts nor father.

>>96378258
go back to mcyoag

>>96378262
>JNPL feels mandatory for her ability
Not really. 0^0 could still throw a city-melting fireball at you - and she won't in both case because you're protected by Fate and she can't risk bypassing companions, mentors and encounters.

>>96378278
>Not really. 0^0 could still throw a city-melting fireball at you
that still gives you the opportunity to do things. The other case is she simply killing you, giving you 0 chance.
>and she won't in both case because you're protected by Fate and she can't risk bypassing companions, mentors and encounters.
She still can kill you. She only can't do it instantly but she will eventually figure it out

>>96378284
It's just another layer of protection. It will become obselete the moment she notices it and start using indirect means to hurt you.

>>96378284
>She still can kill you. She only can't do it instantly but she will eventually figure it out
Correct. Same exact shit even with JNPL's ability. It changes essentially nothing.

>>96378268
I don't think they do that over there
Do they?

>>96378284
You really think "can't touch directly" is going to matter against Miss Causality?

>>96378298
Taking the maps and then adding markers representing the various players and/or their territories?
Yes. Yes they do.

>>96371953 (OP)
So how viable is taking Charlotte down as a smart warlord Uruk with [SRTR] as my pledge? I’ve always liked martial builds not relying on magic, but if that doesn’t make the cut I can change it up.

>>96378306
No, the events
This is a solo planning thing
I want to see anon go on a journey

>>96378293
Nope. It changes that she can't directly affect you, at most using her powers to put challenges to you.
The example of the cyoa is she making you go to the amostphere and then die, 0 counterplay, and with JNPL protection she would need to drop something on you, counterplay possible.

Without JNPL she can directly just kill you, with JNPL she needs to use indirect means that offer you the possibility to survive. Its a word of difference, is like the difference of having immunity to insta death spells and being totally vulnerable to those.

>>96378284
If killing someone to her was as simple as waving her hand then Keter would be dead and no damage from the elves would have stuck. You are just looking at it from a surface level and not seeing that it's all just a story, she has to follow certain rules and you have to as well if you want to win. Death of the Author is just one of many explicit, implicit and theorical ways you can catch her off guard whenever your confrontation happens.

>>96378301
Yes. She is newy god that doesn't know what she is doing, she is not truly in control of all casuality, and making you immune to her direct control its the minimum to challenge her

>>96378316
>Nope. It changes that she can't directly affect you, at most using her powers to put challenges to you.
So instead of "Anon have reverse gravity and is sent off to space", she does "the whole area now have reverse gravity and everyone is sent off to space" while you're nearby.

>>96378322
>its the minimum to challenge her
Just draw out your encounter and she's handcuffed.

>>96378312
Everything can theoretically work as long as the story behind it is sound. Maybe you can find a loophole where your Uruk nature makes you resistant to her intervention, maybe you find a way to make her vulnerable in a key battle, maybe you just crush her empire while she's distracted and resurrect [JNPL], etc. Any build can work if you take advantage of the fact that you are writing the story during your character creation.

are we really having the UNBEATABLE CHARLOTTE thing again

>>96378331
That would fall in "she can't directly affect you", changing the subject from "him" to "them" does not resolve it. She would need to, for example, make where you are standing be sent off to space, which still offers counterplay with some obvious inborn gifts.
By indirect means it doesn't mean she can act on you directly by making it aoe, it means she has to affect something else, that in principle would not affect you directly, that would then affect you

>>96378312
I don't know if any amount of brute force would work against charlotte

>>96378346
What did the author say about it?

>>96378355
Nothing. He probably doesn't want to restrain the imagination of people with definitive answers like that.
Ultimately, this is a story you're writing. Charlotte is as powerful as you imagining her to be.

>>96378344
Hm, ok that’s cool, but if that’s the case, why does [SRTR] want to Box us up if we choose the Mystery box? Are we not the best chance she has to take down Charlotte?

>>96378362
It doesn't have to be a definite answer to end all debates but just to clarify the range of her powers. For some people charllote will be unbeatable god of casuality that could kill anyone without JNPL, to another people she could kill you instantly eben with JNPL, to another people she is harmless etc...
This does not come from "write your own story" but it comes from "you were given a very vague description you can interpret in a lot of ways, making you doubt more than think about the story itself"

>>96378258
best I can do is a vague scribble outline of me getting jumped by orcs and similar primitives at different points of my life. And that can just happen anywhere, heck they might even be right h

>>96378365
Its as she says, she's stacking her deck. Yes we are her best bet, but she can delay things between us and Charlotte by pulling us in so we can then have years of training alongside everyone else she pulled in as we wait.

>>96378365
Because she just wants chaos. She likes high stakes. It's even said somewhere that her favorite times are when shit got so fucked up the world ended and needed a reboot from scratch.

If you're in the box, it means Charly snowballs harder and then SRTR gets to throw two outsiders at the problem at once. More chaos = more gooder for her.

It's somewhat implied by the way that JNPL is just chilling on the moon, how YMRD can just casually overrule stuff Charlie already wrote for Omega, and the whole E'Nomene goal that the elder gods are sandbagging assholes who could fix this shit instantly if they got serious. They're not in any real danger. Absolute worse case the three of them just leave along with any souls they took a fancy to. They've literally destroyed and created the world multiple times. Nothing is actually keeping them here. (Or at least it's one possible way to interpret the story. As anon said, the setting is what we make it out to be.)

>>96378379
kek

>>96378374
You are given several hints to what her limits are
>She's still damaged from whatever wordplay the elves did to her
>She can never again replicate her continent destroying attack
>People have stolen from her, stalled her forces and fought back against her, there are still Uruk hordes in her mainland
>She doesn't know the future and cannot read your choices
>The elders gods tell you that she's not as tough as she claims and say that she doesn't actually deserve her power
You are falling for her bait in thinking her unbeatable and looking at past Outsiders, the limits of the story are what you make them. One of them challenged the gods harder than Charlotte and built world ending mechas on her own, another killed a god and took her place. Absolutely anything is possible for you if you can work within the narrative for it.

>>96378404
Hush, I like hearing about how strong physics knowers are.

>>96378416
She’s more like a physics hearsayer

>>96378389
>>96378393
>>96378404
Cool, thanks for all this real insightful stuff. One last question if’n yall don’t mind. [SRTR]’s initial blessing says I can “ignore the mechanical rules and interpret the story as I see fit” but I still like playing by the rules of the CYOA, however I do like little loopholes when I see them so I’d like to run it by all of you. With the tutor perk you can teach any parent any language and since my father is “The Hoard” I figure that means I can teach the entire Uruk race any languages I want before I leave character creation. Does that sound plausible? If nothing else I find it funny.
>“Why the hell are the Uruk speaking all the world’s languages?”

>>96378440
Truly Matterwife's self-insert.

>>96378447
Just Sartre it anyways, as long as it tells a good story.

>>96378447
I wonder what's worse - Uruks screaming like hellspawns while burning your village, or making small talk and jokes while they commit war crimes.

Who is Yaropolk? what outsiders did he fight with and against, and why is he so costly?

>>96378447
Blessing of [SRTR] is more about ignoring the rules of the cyoa and just doing whatever you want in terms of numbers.
Having said that, nothing implies that you cannot work within the narrative to teach the horde languages. I will personally accept that choice but only for the horde that spawned you, not all of them. You could also use the tutor mentor alongside someone who manipulate dreams, to teach your horde to speak and do other stuff. One outsider created the Majin, why couldn't you elevate the uruks?
Some of the old builds when it was first released did just that if I remember correctly.

New thread >>96275050

>>96378479
You're getting boring, Tokie.

No fate, no king, no god!

>>96378482
>>96378482
>>96378482

>>96378479
>15 days old
why won't it die?

>>96378551
Threads only die when people use them

Become Undead, Pick JNPL as mother. Now you are free from death slots and Deus ex machina.