Thread 96373227

Star God Edition

>Community Links:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000-downloads/
https://www.unitcrunch.com
https://www.newrecruit.eu
https://wahapedia.ru

>3rd Party Models Pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/Q33bkBUh

>Pre 10th Torrent:
Info hash: d91d8b9daa9c5dc9105fc0ec09812cbc17a752b5

>10th Edition Rules:
https://gofileio/d/9LvQTL
https://meganz/folder/Em0Rmb7I#4GR-B7y4cu5nCB5QziXM4A

>How to make wargames terrain:
https://gofile.io/d/s99zDV

>Secret Level Animation:
https://gofile.io/d/J7muqs

>Previous Thread:
>>96368932

>Thread Question:
You have to kill one special character of your faction, who do you choose and what's a fitting death for him? permanent deaths only

>>96373227 (OP)
1st for the Leagues of Votann

>>96373227 (OP)
I'd kill Magnus because his model is shit and he's a loser asshole that damned his legion for no reason. Just make Tzeentch change him into fart dust or something like the faggot he is

Fuck.

Can CSM still run Leviathans or do they not have a codex anymore? I wanna get that 30k box set coming out that has one, but I don't know if I should base it for its old datasheet or just base it/run it as a Forgefiend. I mostly just play casual but I do wanna keep up to date if I can in case I want to enter a local.

>>96373242
>deleting 25% of every tsons army
500 dollars has been deposited in your account

>>96373248
The Leviathan has a legends datasheet which is probably not what you want to hear.

>>96373227 (OP)
carnac your questions are jumbled and don’t make any sense, the lack of proper flow is a sign of your schizophrenia

>>96373248
Leviathans have a legends datasheet so they're perfectly usable in casual games but generally not allowed in tournaments.

>>96373248
hear me out......
>convert

If any of you retards reply to the larper above me I'm nuking the thread

>>96373246
I guess you're priming a heldrake.

>>96373246
dude, trim your ugly ass nails

>>96373257
>>96373262
Just means I should base it as a FF, no prob.
Thanks for the input.

>>96373264
I don't know that I follow your meaning considering I was talking about the Leviathan, but do explain.

>>96373246
>tranny
>into blacked
I thought that was just republican senators

Boy it sure is a good thing that CTan were distinguished from chaos gods by making them gods of fundamental forces of real space with no analogue at all in the warp like... Death, Trickery, Fire, and Technology. There's definitely no gods in the warp at all associated with these concepts.

>>96373280
yea, is this a problem for you?

>>96373264
the way the new Saturnine artillery the Araknae Quad Accelerator Platform always spreads its legs flat on the ground reminds me on pic related.
Look at that gun... what a slut

>>96373227 (OP)
>TQ
Someone is going to be hate me for this guy kill off Vect and let all the other names Archons take the stage duking it out for control of Commoragh with their own alliances and different styles of realspace empires and ventures.

>>96373280
>Oh no, concepts can be reused and reinterpreted in many ways!

Are War Dogs a good addition to Chaos Marines? I'm looking for a change of pace

>>96373296
they've been a good addition for CSM for like the last 10 years

>>96373227 (OP)
>You have to kill one special character
Why only one?

>>96373296
I have one in the list I'm building for Night Lords, I had a set of 2 I was going to run for World Eaters but split them up between Death Guard and CSM when I decided to abandon WE. Decent shooting and a fun ass model, no reason not to give it a try in your list.

>>96373246
how much coke are you sniffing if you need 5 coke nails?

>>96373288
>t. Mike Brooks

>TQ
Yvraine dies trying to go into the warp for the crone sword, the ynnari therefore get squatted

>>96373310
Well it seems they've moved on to paint huffing so they'll be trimming them soon

>>96373280
I like to think them being equivalent gods having domains over concepts is an exaggeration, they're very powerful non-biological creatures born with the galaxy, so each galaxy would have its own, it's not just these ones for the whole universe
and they get to have absurd cosmic powers because they abuse similar shortcuts and cheatcodes as the ones the crypteks use, just on much larger scales because apparently their very nature is some sort of natural spaghetti-code forming an active knot in reality
and they each specialised in something because if you don't have some kind of gimmick, then it's a matter of strength alone and the stronger ctan eats the others
the nightbringer is not even the representation of death, it's the other way around, the various representations of death are a galaxy wide instinctual ptsd from the nightbringer doing its thing

>>96373316
isnt that what they are supposed to do? die? the ynnari are a suicide cult

>>96373316
Personally I'm ready for her villain arc.

>>96373327
>isnt that what they are supposed to do? die?
Not exactly

>>96373329
She is an imperial character, ergo cannot become villain

>>96373290
NTA but point is that C'tan dont really reinterpret those concepts, at all. C'tan barely have any fluff of their own and not in a "oh cool mystery!" kinda way.

>>96373259
a lot better than your "which x has the best y" thoughbeit

>>96373288
I don't think GW could name a single other Archon than Vect
They probably haven't released the Malys model because they forgot she existed like they did with Karandras

>>96373323
The C'tan being 'godlike' comes from the Necrontyr being retarded biologicals. Just because they are idiosyncratic doesn't mean they are literally the incarnation of Death or Trickery or Hunger or whatever. It just makes sense that the Necrons and the species that fought them began worshipping them as gods considering their power and place in the galaxy.

If you see a guy the size of a moon glide into your solar system and start raising the dead to kill you most people are going to think of it as a god, even if it is using purely scientifically derived technological phenomena to do so.

>Buy 4 Starter sets for £57.38
>Sell the marine halfs for around £35
>Leaves you with 1385 points of nids for £109.52
>Can shave another 20 off that by selling the extra warrior and psycophage

>>96373357
>selling Infernus marines and terminators for £35
LMAO
infernus marines go for £1 per model on the secondary market

>>96373363
I'm not selling infernus marines, I'm selling the Marine half of the starter set which :)

>>96373367
And nobody gives a shit about the marine half of this box at all.
It's just ETB garbage, which is just inferior to the multipart kits we have now. Especially for terminators.

>>96373343
No they're gonna kill off Vect so Malys can take his place, so they can have a gurl boss in charge. She will be lesbian lovers with Lelith Hesperax, get rid of the oppression of vect and open up the dark city to co-operation with Craftworld and Corsairs.

>TQ
>no special characters to kill in the entire faction

I really like the smell of rattlecan primer I could huff it for hours. Everyone else says it's smells terrible and start coughing. What is wrong with me.

what can you even proxy these as

>>96373382
As a dreadnought

>>96373378
>removes female versions of your characters

>>96373382
Chaotic Marine Helbrutian

>>96373382
Dread knights

>>96373379
I dunno about rattlecans but some chemicals have a weirdly alluring smell. For example I love Tamiya cement/airbrush cleaner smell which is basically acetone.

How do people who have multiple armies from the same faction handle vehicles and big machines/monsters?

Say you have a Thousand Sons army that uses 3 Forgefiends and you decide to start a Night Lords or Iron Warriors or World Eater army which can also use said Forgefiends and has a completely different color scheme.

What do you do? Do you try to paint them in shared colors somehow? Do you just get another 3 Forgefiends and paint them in the proper colors? Or fuck it Thousand Son Forgefiends in a World Eater army.

>>96373405
paint em neutral because they're loaners from Vashtor

What do you lot use to test a colour scheme on, mainly one you plan on doing through an airbrush?

>>96373405
Betweeen games i strip them in metho then paint them appropriatly for my next game

>>96373405
I tend to want to keep my armies separate. For example, I am painting up a Daemon Prince for my AoS StD army, but I have CSM in 40k as well, but I won't be using the new prince for them. I do have older princes for my CSM already, but I won't be using them for the StD army either, I prefer the aesthetic coherence over saving the money.

>>96373405
I paint them entirely different colours and different bases so I have to commit to my army composition, stillmania style

>>96373375
Lelith already got a new girlfriend in her book after she broke up with Yvraine.

>>96373375
Good, Imperium needs to establish permanent foothold in the Webway to fight Vashtor

>>96373400
I love the smell of acetone too but it literally kills brain cells off. Please dont huff it.

>>96373409
>>96373412
>>96373413
>>96373417
But then you end up having 15 Forgefiends or Helbrutes. Isn't that too much?

>>96373405
My primary Chaos army is Black Legion so my other chaos armies just use Black Legion vehicles. So for example my World Eaters dont have red forge fiends, they share the black and gold forge fiends.

>>96373428
THEN STRIP THEM AND REPAINT THEM HOBBYLET

>>96373427
>literally kills brain cells off.
uh oh

>>96373385
I paid a commission painter for my she-Magus

>>96373419
Stop being bigot.
Polyamory is a thing

>>96373442
THEN STACK MORE PAPER AND PAY FOR MORE COMMISSIONS YOU BROKE HOBBYLET

>>96373227 (OP)
TQ: Cato Sicarius, being a glory hound, a heroic death that nobody knows and no one records would fit the setting

>>96373429
>My primary Chaos army is Black Legion
Do I paint everyone as Black Legion?
Do I dare? Do I dare lose the red of the World Eaters, the blue of the Thousand Sons, the green of the Death Guard and the pink-purple of the Emperor's Children, paint it all black and join Abaddon? I never considered it... I could have it all... imagine the power...

>>96373452
Cato hasn't been a glory hound in maybe a decade if not more.

do you think GW is planning on retiring the leman russ?

aside from points/abilities, it's outclassed by the dorn in rerms of firepower, the dorn now has a tank commander (like the russ) and the dorn is in DoW 4, but the russ isnt

the russ is also a HH model with a different kit

>>96373455
you can keep the reds and blues and etc... but I would suggest keeping it primarily black if you did

>>96373458
Even better then

>>96373459
Fuck Dorn, I hate playing against that piece of shit that has 18wounds 2+ with gozillion attacks, only at 260pts something.

>>96373465
Well yes, some flavor colors are necessary but... I could have it all. I really never considered it...

>>96373227 (OP)
>who do you choose
Eldrad, Illic, Yriel, Yvraine, Visarch, Yncarne, Phoenix Lords, Avatar. If they are jobbers at least rotate them properly.
>a fitting death
Just finish Psychic Awakening arc

>>96373459
At some point the kit is going away, yes.

I could see them making a new kit or "retooling" / "reboxing" and updating the crew and what not.

What I think is also likely is that the LR will become a HH thing.
>why?
Because the Rogal Dorn was meant as a replacement, I think, as crazy as it sounds, that the RD is supposed to be the new default IG tank.

If that's correct, then the baneblade might get the same treatment.
The chimera should be safe.

>>96373479
No please. Don’t even entertain fate like that.

So was the talk last thread about GW working with a chaos Vtubers true or not?

>>96373485
GW does what GW does.
I don't like it either.

What I can say is that nothing can stop you from using HH kits to play 40k, and that you might find out there 3rd party kits that you fall in love with.
>pic (un)related

>>96373479
>updating the crew
oh yeah I can see the activist sculptors adding overweight black female tank commanders to a new kit

>>96373492
All Vtubers are chaos Vtubers

>>96373455
>>96373473
Look up Children of Torment, Bringers of Decay, Hounds of Abaddon and Sons of the Cyclops.

>>96373382
Redemptor.

Chuddies really like to invent things that haven't happened to get mad about

>>96373505
I think you're an annoying faggot and I didn't need to invent that.

>>96373495
As long as there's enough regular NORMAL heads I'll be fine.
>no cadian shocktroop gas mask upgrade kit
I am not buying two dozen cadian upgrade kits to field a single 20 man blob with gas masks.

Serious talk: I don't understand what pushes people to paint their cadians with different skin tones. Like sure if you want to go WW2 US I'd do the same, but otherwise why would I add extra work and paint expenses on myself? They're all gonna be bongs/'murikan farmer boys so I can paint all these faces nice and proper.

>>96373492
yes.

>>96373505
>t. chuddy

>>96373505
doesn't take much for the redditors to out themselves

>>96373428
>Isn't that too much?
no

>>96373505
Yaaas queen slay
You tell them xixter

>>96373505
what are we inventing now?

>>96373479
>>96373459
The Leman Russ is never going away. It's too iconic to the faction. They might release the kit, they might even change it in a way that makes all the old fan spit on it, they might release a Primaris Leman Russ, but they will never straight up remove it.

wirrwinn

>>96373532
>they might release a Primaris Leman Russ

>>96373532
>The Leman Russ is never going away. It's too iconic to the faction.
MK7 armour is never going away. It's too iconic to the faction.

>>96373540
It was really not.

>>96373537
That's not a primaris Leman Russ dude. That's a Primaris Maclador.

>>96373499
I need to meditate on this. Thank you.

>>96373553
Sure thing dude, whatever you say

>>96373531
>>96373495

Is current reserves rules via missing decks the following?

Let’s say I’ve got 1000 points.
Up to 250 points strat reserves, up to 250 points deep strike (although the Strat reserves can deep strike if they have it)

Meaning as long as I don’t go over 250 points with a unit I can deep strike up to 500p of stuff?

>>96373553
>MK7 armour wasnt the face of marines

>>96373533
Is that yours anon? How'd you do the panel modulation & what paints did you use for it and also the rust / dirt effects on the tracks?

>>96373569
Not mine, just cute wirrwinn

>>96373562
>>96373566
The better comparison is Power Armour. They will never remove Power Armor, as it is too iconic. The actual details, the Mark, that's free for all. The same way they will never remove a Leman Russ but they will absolutely change aesthetic details.

You have to understand that people that actually know Power Armour Marks are a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the fanbase.

>>96373563
half of AOS's factions consist of overweight brown women and this redditor fuck will sit there and say it never happened

>>96373572
Trust me, I know
t. Autismus

>>96373573
Elves remain pure in all settings

>>96373492
>>96373505
>>96373520
This is just you fighting with yourself again, and this is your reddit

>>96373564
Effectively, yes. A quarter of your force (in points) can go into strategic reserves, another quarter can go into deep strike reserves (or just "reserves"), leading to a total half of your force being able to be in some kind of reserve. Also, if you have a redeploy, you can redeploy into strategic reserves, ignoring the usual limits, so if you build a list in a certain way, it is possible to null deploy (basically by putting half of your army into reserves, and the remaining half being a total of three units as redeploys usually lets you do it with three units).

>>96373573
It never happened
If it did happen, you deserved it
It did happen, and it wasn't that bad
It was a good thing and should happen more

>>96373584
He was talking about "people", you might be fat but you still only count as 1 person.

>>96373590
AoS have ersatz elves

>>96373596
I'm in your walls, schizo-kun

>>96373601
Trust me, I know.
t. SoFatICountAsTwo-us

>>96373602
Would

>>96373608
Which one?

>>96373277
You're thinking of twinks.

>>96373614
the goblin

>>96373614
Obviously the elf. I’d make the goblin into a stew.

>>96373602
What the fuck were teclis and tyrion even doing.

>>96373596
I'm hiding in your shadow

>>96373515
Wtf is that?

>>96373619
Being based.

>>96373619
race mixing.

>>96373631
/vt/umor shit

>>96373642
It's right at home then since these threads are nothing but cancer.

>>96373227 (OP)
>TQ

Angron

He dies by erasing soul from reality, just like Horus died. But his time it's Magnus with the help of Grey Knights. Yeah, they'll turn on each other right after they deal with that stupid giant red demon, but for now they both agree that such stupidity should not exist.

>>96373649
you can go back and you will not be missed

>>96373649
cancers can get cancers

it doesn't make anything better

Why can't datasheets look like this anymore? 10th's are bland, flat and sterile, more akin to what you'd find on a cheap board or card game like those combat cards and the pic of the webstore model on each of them is the opposite of evocative compared to the art of the old ones.

>>96373669
40k players cant read

>>96373669
because if they make them sterile and compact they can sell you low effort cards for them

nevermind that they could sell cards with nothing but selections of artworks done over the 40 years of 40k, they're too dumb to realise that

>>96373664
>cancers can get cancers
That means the cancer kills the cancer, killing the other in the process, meaning you get to live.

>>96373669
Do the 800 billion entire books about all the stuff in the game not count?

>>96373676
No, it doesn't, both cancers live because they're tissues, not organs or organisms, and the host doesn't get any better either.
It's just not ideal for anyone involved.

>>96373656
>reddit spacing
>didn't understand the TQ
>or is retarded enough to want to lose Angron in an army with a severe lack of units
retard of the day

>>96373248
hey dude right now i'm thinking on the very same matter. I'd like to have a new HH box, but what to do with this giant dread?

I've been thinking maybe i could buy some spider or crab toy in a nearest toy shop, cut it's legs and glue it to the dread?, making it a defiler?

I'm still considering.

>>96373691
he types like a polack too!

>>96373678
What do those have to do with datasheets?

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>96373678
Not him but the books are very bad. It's easier to write neat little blurbs vs a whole ass book.

>>96373227 (OP)
TQ: Imotekh challenges Szarekh and kills that faggot.

>>96373700
that's not a drew carey

>>96373698
sry retard reading comprehension on my part. you dont like the aesthetic of the new datasheets and my brain just jumped over what you wrote and focused on stuff like the art and lore.

I do think 3E books were prettier but these datasheets are very condensed and clear which makes them more useful as a game piece. High contrast and with dense information. At least in theory.

>>96373675
That was one of the worst decisions ever because it made them copy AoS warscrolls and moved stats like attacks or BS/Ws to the weapons which is fucking retarded.

>>96373227 (OP)
>TW
Do I have to do my specific chapter or does any named space marine count? Because we have two models and only one of them has anything resembling a personality.

>>96373689
No, it does kill it.
The other cancer starves the original cancer of its nutrients and blood flow, which kills them both.

>>96373691
Well, first of all i consider my faction any of chaos legions, as i have models from all of it, my biggest collection is of CSM. So if a lose Angron, i will not worry much.

Second, TQ says nothing about removing character and having that space empty, if WE will lose Angron, they'll fill the place with something good instead.

Third, it would be good for the game if all super big centrepiece models be removed. Entore IK faction, all chaos primarchs, Silent King(what a stupid model), Belakor, C'tans, Greater Demons, shit like that. Hell, we could even get rid of Monolith. Small "primarch" models, like Gorilla, Lion, ork or tau primarchs (forgot their names, sorry), Abaddon, Celestine, Cawl, Norn Assimilator are fine, we don't need anything bigger.

>>96373728
you guys dont know how cancer works
cancers are all extremely low metabolic organisms, and largely anaerobic. cancers dont take much energy from the body until they become so widespread they can live in the entire body or physically displace organs. most cancers are benign and dont hurt you.

>>96373246
Show bobs and vegana

It appears there is some chaos in this thread

>>96373728
>>96373742
Jesus Christ, you're both fucking retarded.

>>96373273
>>96373310
Those look like classical guitar nails.

>>96373702
That would be cool. Dude sittin on a throne with stone floating around - is a stupid action model. the model would be acceptable if its M were 0, if the model were a fortification.

>>96373747
Cheesed to meet you.

>>96373742
I do know how they work.

>>96373742
>cancer hands typed this post

We need more Xeno variety.

>>96373351
>you have to be a literal incarnation of a concept to qualify as a god

Do marines get cancer?

>>96373280
The difference is
Nightbringer = Actual death
Chaos is the emotional conceit of death
It’s a battle of the real vs the imagined

>>96373788
No.

>>96373785
>posts a human with a rubber mask

>>96373789
>Nightbringer = Actual death
No. Nightbringer like the rest was some star eating reality being until the Necrons gave him a body which he shaped to be scary because he wanted to larp a scary dude.

>>96373788
Yes.

>>96373798
but the necrontyr gave them bodies shaped after their own gods

>>96373789
No. The Nightbringer is not death. He is cosplaying as a god of death. Remember that the C'tan took on the forms of the ancient Necrontyr gods.

The Chaos Gods have the edge on the C'tan since the C'tan power is limited by real Space, while the power of the Warp is unlimited. Belief and thought can alter reality into new realities via the power of the Warp. That's why the C'tan shrink before the Warp.

>>96373669
Because that type of unit information sucks shit when you're actually in the game. Oh, rune armor? Whoops, better start flipping through a different book! What psychic powers can they do? Best start flipping again! Oh, you found it in the book? Well, too bad, because the powers are not in a single place, but spread throughout the wargear section, which is a different place from where you find their points! Want to know their weapon profiles? That's right, best start flipping!
You can call >>96373675 sterile all you like, it's a far superior format for looking up the unit's rules while you're in the game. That datasheet, along with a faction reference for oaths of moment (which is identical across all space marine datasheets) will give you all the information you need during a game in a single place. Yes, pistol and hazardous aren't detailed, but they are universal special rules, the same across all factions.

CSM need the following changes:

1) Dark apostles and Sorcerers could join units as a second leader, just like MoPs.

2) CSM need an apothecary model

3) We need Sorc on jump pack, CL and Sorc on Bike

4) Havocs need to be either chaper or their rule changed to re-roll 1's to Hit

5) Defiler can move through anything

6) Move AC/DC to legends bucket

>>96373785
Agreed

>>96373789
>imaginary death

>>96373805
Yes but final touches belonged to the C'Tan themselves

>>96373808
You have a brain, you can memorise a few rules.
The profiles and powers have a summary at the end of the book.
And you can use your goddamn index.

>>96373819
wait, so the nightbringer caused slaanesh?

>>96373819
That's an Aeldari mythical account loosely translated from their language into Low Gothic. The text itself says it's unclear what's an allegory and what is a fact.

Pray tell why did you leave that out?

>>96373819
This is just xeno rambling and fake mythology to rationalize Eldar weakness.

>>96373830
No, this just says that Eldar were scared of the Nightbringer back then because at their 100% the C'Tan were fucking powerful.

>Space marine 220 point T6 6 man
3+ no invuln
3 wounds
Can get access to Lethals and sustained by paying 95 points
OC1
5 inch movement
All guns AP0 unless attacking specifically closest unit (Then AP-1)
3 damage 2 attacks each
Twinlinked

>Necron 220 point T6 6man
3+ 4++
Character gives 5+ FNP for 80 points
Free ~4 mortal wounds just for moving.
Damage 3 AP-2 attacks or massed S5 ap 0 damage 1
Fly
10 inch movement
4 damage 2 attacks each
OC2
Not Twinlinked


Why are the Aggressors so terrible

>>96373838
They were once meta and people took 12 of them

>>96373830
Not indirectly. Aeldari, fearing the grave, embraced life more than ever before so which led to hedonism.
But that's no longer canon. It turns out it was Slaanesh that inspired the Aeldari to hedonism to manipulate them into birthing him.

Konrad Curze is not dead, his spirit resides in the main gem of the Corona Nox, which is actually an Aeldari Soulstone.

>>96373808
You know old codexes had reference sheets for that, right? And they wete still better than 10th's datacards.

>>96373843
I really hate every new development.

>Look up some Necron painting guides on youtube.
>Recomended is full of drama videos
Hate Mundanes.

>>96373843
both can be true, I don't see how >>96373819 has been directly retconned

>>96373849
It's a callback to the old lore, though.

>>96373843
>It turns out it was Slaanesh that inspired the Aeldari to hedonism to manipulate them into birthing him
I didn't know that till now and I wish I still didn't, this is so fucking lame holy shit

>>96373787
there is nothing worse than having a perfect source and not being able to find it again. it is truly the most miserable feeling a human can have.

well that and burning to death.

>>96373846
dunno, ask /hhg/

>>96373827
No one, absolutely goddamn no one, remembers every rule in both theirs and their opponent's army at all times, nor should they be expected to. Yes, any marine player will quickly learn the basic profile of a lascannon or bolter, but when you ask the admech player what their thaumathurge energy procreator (the pistol on their magos that is used once in a blue moon that happens to have a surprisingly nasty profile) does, you better fucking not expect them to rattle it off of the top of their head. Or the guy who plays once a year to know the exact profile of every gun and melee weapon in his tyranid army.

>>96373834
Why didn't you post the full article, since you're so well acquainted with it?

When are Primaris getting this unit?

>>96373865
They did the same thing with Anathema. The incompetents that shit out these ass novels really like things that always existed and forced themselves into existence and have done it like 3+ times now

>>96373807
Counterpoint, the C'Tan got so good at technology they literally have a machine that just rearranges the entire galaxy at their whim. They can copy and paste stars like its nothing. Necrons at full strength are able to not only prevent chaos manifestations but also utilize the full energy of the universe.

While they aren't that strong now, they were at one point a Kardashev III civilization.

>>96373876
Because I read it years ago and still recall it. Also, I am an honest Joe.

>>96373878
Never

>>96373878

>GW will inevitably bring back Volkite, Graviton, Conversion Beam and Disintegrator weapons in 40k so we can have more Primaris single weapon squads

>>96373838
they sold the backlog so don't need good rules anymore

>>96373885
Counterpoint: The Necrons were good at technology. The C'tan weren't.

>>96373875
>and their opponent's army
You're not meant to, you just need to know yours to play, and it's dead easy to remember your own faction's rules, always was, little kids can do it.

>>96373846
I'm not ashamed to admit that Konrad Curze's maximum edginess appeals to me. He is a great villain.

>>96373885
Yet the Eldar were stronger and forced them into hiding. And how the Eldar are a shadow of their former selves, amounting to some space Amish, space Gypsies, a circus, and a BDSM club.

>>96373898
The C'tan weren't good at technology UNTIL they were gifted Necrodermis bodies. The Necrodermis bodies had necrodermis brains. The brains were very intelligent, and responsible for advancing Necron technology significantly. Biotransferrence was invented through cooperation with the Necrons, they didn't fully solve it themselves. Also, one of the C'tan shards was so good at technology a tiny piece of it literally became the foundation of the Mechanicus cult.

>>96373808
>>96373827

The really great advantage of the old system was consistency. Sure you had to flip through to reference stuff, but most of it was the same. A boltgun was a boltgun, a melts was a melta, and this across not only multiple units but multiple armies. Terminator Armour gave you the same benefits despite being on different characters, different units, different factions, often different editions. This helped immensely.

This is of course not intrinsically tied to the old system, nothing would stop them from doing the same even now, but unfortunately even before leaving behind the old style GW was already destroying that consistency in the search for more unique units and more specialness. And now we have five hundreds kind of special weapons, three hundreds kind of bolters that sometimes have different rules even if they are the same weapon, and so on, all because GW can't sell you three different kind of special primaris squads if they all have the same old melta profile. And again the problem is not limited to the new style of datasheet. HH 3.0 still use the old style, but now there are a dozen different plasma guns. And where once upon a time you could convey 99% of the stats to your opponent by saying stuff like "it's a marine with a plasma gun", or "it's a Marine with a rapid fire heavy bolter" now you have to always reference the datasheet or list every stat.

>>96373885
>they were at one point a Kardashev III civilization.
lol no, you don't reach the step of the kardashev scale until you get to use the entirety of said power source.
They were just type 2.

>>96373900
the fact that he 100% embraces being full edge circles it back to being based

Can anyone read this cursive text?

>>96373858
>v-tubertard needs a tutorial on how to drybrush the entire model silver then dot the eyes green
fill your algorithm with eceleb nonsense and its gonna spit out eceleb nonsense, skill issue.

>>96373900
>He is a great villain.
Isn't he a hero?

>>96373921
yes

can't you?

>>96373808
You sound like the dude that thought it was a good idea to remove USRs only for them to do the exact same thing yo weapons the edition they bring USRs back.

>>96373934
Usr suck

>>96373914
This is to say that posts like >>96373848 miss the point completely. In 4th edition the weapon reference sheet of a Space Marine Codex was a quarter of a page. In 7th edition it was like three full fucking pages.

>>96373903
To be honest, the War in Heaven never resolved itself because it ended with the Necron's convincing the C'tan to eat each other then managed to overcome the few that remained. Neither the Eldar-Krork alliance or the C'tan won. It was a war that lasted for millenia and ended because the Necrons killed the C'tan and went to nap, and presumably the Eldar didn't feel the need to hunt down and kill every last Necron.

Also the old Eldar were far more powerful than modern Eldar because the warp wasn't as fucked up and they drink more freely of its power. Modern Eldar either don't use the warp at all (Drukhari) or use soulstones and rune magic as intermediaries so they don't touch the warp directly which does limit their powers in comparison to the OG Eldar.

>>96373933
My eyes hurt.

>>96373921
yeah pretty easily.

Of Pleasure and Rage
Behold! for I speak to you from the shadows - the great darkness, that gives meaning to all light at the heart of this realm, shroudes and unclear, stand the powers of chaos, locked in each other's embrace, hated lovers and eternal companions...

>>96373940
USRs are the best thing they added to the game.

>>96373914
The problem with this is that when you want to make a character who's melta does +1 damage you have to name it an Ultramelta or something instead of just implying its a bigger melta or the character utilizes it in a more effective way.

>>96373943
>presumably the Eldar didn't feel the need to hunt down and kill every last Necron.
one of many eldar blunders that ruined the galaxy forever
the real bad guys of the setting

>>96373958
But then we wouldn't have cool arrogant robot lords in the setting, so really it's a W.

>>96373943
The necrons shot themselves in the foot and then retreated, they lost, the eldar won.

>>96373947
Read the part about Slaanesh emerging from a Necrodermis egg.

>>96373899
Without looking it up, name every gun you have in the army list you used for your latest game (you DO play the game, right?) right now. I promise you, you'll fail. There'll be some special pistol or weird melee weapon you forgot. Crozius Arcanum? How about a Lashing Tongue? Maybe that Cognis Heavy Stubber Array? Did you name all the different hull profiles for your vehicle melee weapons? And that's just their names, not their full rules. And being aware of your opponents capabilities is very important during the game. The best example I can give here for 10th edition is leadership. Some armies really care about the leadership of their enemy, while others completely ignore it, and a lot of players simply haven't bothered to remember the exact leadership stat of their chaff, but it suddenly becomes *very* important when the tyranid player pops Shadow. Now, you'll claim that the Ld stat is just as easily visible under the old system as the new one, but that simply isn't true. Taking the earlier seer council example, you can see a Ld stat there, but eldar in older editions have had the Fortify psychic power which boosts leadership, and that might be active, or need to be checked if it can be used. There could also be wargear that modifies leadership (another thing common for eldar), which you'd have to check the rules for because they aren't used very often.

>>96373965
a bunch of forge worlds, fully able to explore necron ruins uncontested, would have figured out bio transference and just created a second race of necrons
then the techron infighting starts, they love a good schism

>>96373921
can you post the page where eldar demon princes are mentioned? I keep reading people mentioning it, but not the source page.

>>96373950
The problem with that is not existent when there are a total of three special characters with special unique weapons in the faction. Malneus Calgar in 4th edition had a couple of Master Crafter Power Fists with a built in stormbolter. Lysander had a Storm Shield and a Master Crafter Thunder Hammer. And the result is that entire page of reference for the codex was this

Mostly done with the new Njal now, what do we think peeps?

>>96373984
>but eldar in older editions have had the Fortify psychic power which boosts leadership, and that might be active, or need to be checked if it can be used. There could also be wargear that modifies leadership (another thing common for eldar), which you'd have to check the rules for because they aren't used very often.
But that also happens in 10th, arguably more since there's more layers of abstract rules beyond the core ones in 10th than in 3rd. So that still doesn't justify copyong AoS warscrolls and make them plain and boring.

>>96373984
>Without looking it up, name every gun you have in the army list you used for your latest game
I could, but you wouldn't believe me anyway.
The fact is that the previous format was never a problem for the game, it only became a problem the moment gw decided they wanted to sell datasheet cards.

I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your post.

>>96373991
I want to go back.

>>96373864
>but le old
And it still fucking sucks.

>>96373991
30k does this very well, even bundle weapons by family which makes them super consistent.

>>96373878
>When are Primaris getting this unit?
Already exists.

>>96373996
Very nice good work anon

>>96374018
ty chief!

>>96373878
whats this guy's deal I dont understand why the legions would start deploying gunslingers to their front line units

>>96374026
Destroyers had rad weapons and other warcrime and experimental weapons. Moritats are the officers that lead them.

>>96374026
It only exists because FW is retarded and comes up with dogshit designs sometimes.

>>96374018
>>96374022
>samefagging bumpats from different devices
this must be a new low

>>96374013
Why is it that primaris are always a 30k squad but worse?

>>96374013
I like those guys but frankly they should have more weapon options and be one datasheet.

I've never seen anyone use those necron pretorian thingies in TT battles

>>96374034
But Destroyers don't have jump packs? And Moritats don't use any of the warcrime weapons?
Why wouldn't the Destroyer squad leader just be another fucking Destroyer?

>>96374039
I will ignore your antagonizing comments

>>96373896
>>GW will inevitably bring back Volkite, Graviton, Conversion Beam and Disintegrator weapons in 40k
admech has all of them, get your hands off its one of the few unique things we have left

>>96374037
A rare FW L

>>96373996
You should post them solo because there is so much going on in your picture. Still, good job.
No idea how you're able to do it all so fast.

>>96374047
Destroyers can use jump packs.

>>96374071
Ill take some new photos today

>>96373878
if they brought them back they'd be ugly phobos shit so there's no point

What's the consensus on this fellow?
Is he liked or disliked? Cool or not cool?

>>96374059
Not that rare.
FW made those SW guns which are upside down as well.

what would be considered "artillery" for marines/chaos marines?

vindicator?

>>96374082
idk the consensus but hes a abnormally large Space Marine with awesome armor and chad confidence. Just my opinion tho

>>96374082
If gw stopped pushing for him he’d be forgotten about pretty quick

>>96374082
He's a marysue faggot and now ADB is trying to turn him into some gay and lame space marine rights activist.

>>96374099
>and now ADB is trying to turn him into some gay and lame space marine rights activist
Source?

>>96374045
they dual build with one of the most consistently good units in the codex that also looks cooler too, no one is ever buying that box and making them bad and ugly on purpose

>>96373943
>Also the old Eldar were far more powerful than modern Eldar
Not much actually. Ynnari are fighting with power equal to old Eldar according to Gathering Storm and Psychic Awakening.

>>96374082
He's alright. Not the worst. I prefer Huron but I think his plotline of thinking Horus was a huge pussy is pretty neat.

>>96374000
40k's rules are complex enough that stuff will always be forgotten, that is inevitable, but looking things up is simply much, much easier in 10th than it is in older editions, much thanks to the datasheet format. If I look at the farseer from 3rd edition (during the game), it won't tell me anything of what I need to know, I'll have to consult the army list (to see which powers I've actually purchased) and then the book to recall how and when to use the power, along with the wargear section for things like ghost helms while in 10th I have the information *right* there on the datasheet. At worst, I'll have to doublecheck the army list for an enhancement, but since very few units have those (and only ever characters), compared to effectively every character and unit having access to such things (rather than them being baked into datasheets), that's a much easier thing to remember.
>>96374003
Anon, please look up Miller's law. There's actual research done on this sort of thing, humans (on average, and we are talking about what the average player can do here, remember?) have limited working memory and its very difficult keeping too much information in memory at the same time. Good reference is necessary for any game, and especially one as complex as 40k.

>>96374108
Damn. Eldar really can't get a W at any point can they? Is there anything more cucked than like Eldar?

>>96374124
>Damn. Eldar really can't get a W at any point can they?
GW stated it 8 years ago in WD

>>96374082
>40kg discussing Abaddon

>>96374102
It's about the fact how Abaddon constantly jammers on about how the marines should've been leading the Imperium and how the marines were "lied" to by the Emperor.
Like I said, lame and gay.

>>96374133
its funny and jarring because you'll have him depicted like this in one back and then in another book he just murders all his lieutenants for the lels or completely abandons his army of marine "brothers" on the surface of a planet because he got what he wanted

>>96374121
>looking things up is simply much, much easier in 10th
Not really, it's just that 10th forces you to look things up all the time. You didn't need to look up most things in old editions because they were common and consistent so easy to memorize.

>>96374133
He's right though. Marines conquered the galaxy and they were going to be discarded.

I hate metallic paints so much its unreal

>>96374146
Proves why they should be

>>96374149
unironic skill issue

>>96374149
try using airbrush paints as metallics

>>96374146
>we will stop making marines when we finish because they only know war and have no place in a time of peace
>NU UH THATS DUMB! *goes on eternal crusade because all he knows is war*

sure showed them

>>96374129
Age has nothing to do with it. They have been cucked since minute one. The only win they have gotten outside of maybe a paragraph in a codex of something that happened 'off screen' is when the resurrected a space marine. GW fucking hates Eldar more than anything in their entire IP.

>>96374130
kek

>>96374121
Bro you made the list, you should not have to look up what powers you've bought. Most of what you say has nothing to do with datasheets and more with 10th removing flavour and systems left and right.

>>96373691
The tq is your schizophrenic rambling and doesn’t make any sense to anyone but you.

>>96374164
He went on a Crusade because he had no choice. The only choice was to win or die.

>>96374146
Marines were never going to rule shit.
Imperium from day 1 was going to be ruled by regular ass humans. Even when the Unification Wars concluded shit like the Senatorum Imperialis existed and even during the Great Crusade the Administratum also existed.

Only thing Abaddon has done is prove to the Emperor and Malcador as to why Marines should've gotten the Thunder Warrior treatment.

>>96374145
This is only true for imperial armies (and chaos armies that shared their weapons). More unique and rarer weapons, like to just grab some examples, tyranid guns (each dependent on the strength profile of the thing using it!), eldar singing spears and witchblades or stuff like daemon weapons are exactly the sort of thing you'd need to look up, especially if you don't play that often. And then there are things like ghost helms, which come stock on farseers pretty much every edition (in 10th, they're represented by farseer powers not being hazardous, unlike most psychic powers) but have separate rules in older editions, not easily visible on just the profile.

>>96374191
Or he could've just done nothing and stayed as a soldier.
There is no point to killing the marines since all the wars will naturally just kill them off slowly anyway due to attrition.

>>96374169
Cry more, Eldar are jobbers and will remain jobbers
>It is a fate they justly deserve. In truth, there can be no escape from the doom they have brought upon themselves.
Quote from White Dwarf

>>96374082
Abbadon is negative cool, I think he should have been replaced a while ago. Just from the perspective of a guy who isn't into the lore too and doesn't read the books he's been around the entire time I've played the game and done diddly dick until just recently(ish). Fantastic sculpt though. 10/10

>>96374180
This Anon is right. You should know your army rules, and be able to during play briefly explain them to an opponent who can double check the datasheet you provided him that you printed off your preferred army builder to help them learn.

>>96374010
The entire fact that it has so many unique weapons that it needs to bundle them in different families shows that in fact it doesn't do that well at all

>>96374146
There was a Star Trek episode that covered this. The Emperor was in the wrong.

>>96374195
>Imperium from day 1 was going to be ruled by regular ass humans.
Not true.
The Era of Ruin has a Custodes that says that the Emperor secretly wanted to get rid of the Space Marines.
This validates Abaddon's cause.

>>96374201
Man that's depressing or should I say...Grim..

>Take over galaxy
>Kill all the marines
>get wiped out by nids and necrons
Sasuga

Chaos players are funny because half of them are honest and are like "my guys are evil look at this hat he wears made of skulls" and the other half are retards who seem to want to justify a galaxy wide campaign of total eradication and giga rape by saying some pithy nonsense like "We had no choice." Embrace it my man, just be evil.

Post models, post games, post wips, post whatever you want frankly. As long as there’s some overpriced plastic front and center

>>96374223
Once the Imperium took over the galaxy humanity would have been elevated to a new psychic race

>>96374227
Yes sir sallyman!

>>96374213
Humans being the rulers isn't and was never a secret.
Again, Senatorum Imperialis already existed at the end of the Unification Wars and before the Great Crusade, same with the Administratum which has ever since its existance handled all of the logistics of the Imperium, even during the Great Crusade.
This blatantly obvious and clear to see for everyone. Abaddon is just butthurt because he is genuinely blind and retarded.

Getting rid of the Marines was a secret and it was for a reason because marines are tools only used for war.
And when wars stop, they have no place or use in society.

>>96374082
he's a victim of being in-between the setting's need of a cartoonish villain at the head of the setting's cartoonishly evil faction, and the edgy hack writer's need of moral deconstructions

by all accounts, for how he had been characterised, the thing that made the most sense for him was to have him die during his victory at cadia, so that chaos could be free from the frankly absurd ideals of social justice for marines that might have existed with the heresy, and could be led by someone who's actually unapologetically a chaosfag, and not some antihero or tragic guy, or misunderstood genius

Why don’t astra milicum have the ability to take an entire army of pure meltas and flame throwers.

>>96374231
That would't stop either of them

>>96374243
I think thats the hack writers idea of deep. My D&D DM was the same in that almost all his villains were tragic figures and victims whose treatment at the hands of others led them down their dark paths.

>>96374243
A Chaos simp at the head of Chaos never works since Chaos would walk all over him. It's cooler having someone who hates Chaos being its leader since he would force it to act against its nature. See Archaon.
Also, Abaddon's destiny is to enslave Chaos and its gods. Read this

>>96374256
>*mind bullets your space bugs and/or robot skeletons in you are path*

>>96374199
Funny you say tyrannids because thanks to working like that they had like 4 weapons in the entire army.

>>96374240
>Getting rid of the Marines was a secret and it was for a reason because marines are tools only used for war.
>And when wars stop, they have no place or use in society

Half of the loyalist Primarchs saw this coming a mile away and had already projects for what to do with their legions after the Crusade. The purge was going to be a necessity for people like Night Lords and World Eaters and most of the traitors.

>>96374240
But the wars were never going to end. There was always gonna be some local rebellion or Xenos force to fight. Once the Imperium was stabilized you don’t have to wipe them out. Just feed the remaining marines into the border meatgrinders and when they ask for reinforcements s bd them regular humans until there’s no marines left. That’s not even getting into how some legions were perfectly capable of functioning in a society that wasn’t at war. Salamanders, Ultras, even the White Scars hardly needed the Ol’ Yeller treatment. Hell the Sally’s were so soft that Emps clandestinely sat in on their operations to make sure Vulkan would kick the puppies he wanted kicked.

>>96374268
Both factions can shut down psykers.

>>96374210
It has so many because it has a ton of units and a bigger scale than 40k but they are consistent so you always know what each family does.

>>96374240
The horus heresy was a mistake. Why would the emperor kill off the marines he could just reduce their recruitment and let them die off.

>>96374278
>so you always know what each family does.
Knowing what each family does doesn't help you at all when you still have to reference in what way a plasma caliver is different from a plasma culverin

>>96374279
because you risk the marines realizing what is happening and have them all turning on you

>>96374268
>*Brain explodes from overuse*
>*Causes a Daemonic incursion*

>>96374269
Uh, lets see here. My 4th ed tyranid knowledge is damn rusty, but there were venom cannons, barbed stranglers, fleshborers, devourers, deathspitters and... I believe that's it? But all of these weapons had profiles based on the users profile, and there were also zoanthrope warp lances that could either be anti-tank shots or small blasts (funnily enough, exactly the same as today). And special melee weapons like crushing claws and specific rules for scything talons, rather than them just being hand weapons. I think only the Hive Tyrant had the bonesword and lash whip available, no other tyrandis had those. Of course, they also had the extremely extensive upgrade system that meant the base profiles for pretty much any unit was utterly useless and the book's reference in the back did nothing.

>>96374203
>and done diddly dick
This is such a retarded take. He's the main antagonist in a setting that can't move forward too much. This is not Abaddons fault or the writers. This is because 40k is a hobby tabletop game.

>>96374273
the horus heresy would have been so much more entertaining if the Emperor tried to give Horus a desk job after conquering the galaxy and the admin requirements drove him insane

Getting rid of the marines would be dumb, there would always be wars and having the marines ready to crush any rebelions makes sense

>>96374045
They can't be led and they're worse offensively and defensively than lychguard

>>96374303
True, you can tell the idiots who yap like this. Putting Lorgar or Huron at the center of chaos wouldn't change this either, they'd both be there stuck inching forward little by little but these idiots expect Abaddon to have taken Terra already.

>>96374259
The thing is, I don't have a problem with those kinds of figures, I have a problem when someone tries to paint a character as tragic or ingenious, or somehow in the right, but doesn't put in the effort to show that or make it make sense.

Lets say that most marines with the heresy were fully on board with the growing sentiment that they should rule the galaxy, instead of being just chaos-addled madmen, and that abbadon led the long war in pursuit of that goal, that's fine, it works, some marines were already chaos madmen, but we can understand how not all of them were back then.

But just a few thousand years since the end of the heresy we can see quite blatantly how chaos marines are nothing but demon worshippers, madmen and psychopaths, and barely any of the guys alive during the crusade, who were the ones abbadon was fighting for, are even alive still.

So abbadon is now fighting to give the galaxy to individuals who weren't the ones who actually conquered it, and who don't share anymore his morals and ideals.

So either abbadon is a tragic victim of delusions about his and his dudes righteousness, with chaos having eroded any sort of sanity around him until that means his own downfall or the loss of his grip onto his old ideals as well.
Or abbadon is actually perfectly sane, perfectly in control, and perfectly fine, and his characterisation and the one of the faction at large clash in such a way that the only possible conclusion is to call the reader retarded for accepting it, or the writer retarded for thinking it's acceptable.

>>96374240
Most of the non turbo retarded legions marines are the most retarded faction of the setting knew this and started to teach skills beyond war to their marines.
Because even after the crusade end policing and patrolling was still going to be a thing and a military was going to be needed.
But just as a regular police force you can't just swat your way into every problem sometimes you can simply talk down the drunk retard.

>>96374329
You are wrong.

>The Black Legion largely despises the gods and Abaddon does all he can to resist them. He’s in it for a wider purpose that he and his fellows consider their birthright. In contrast, Huron supposedly offered his soul to the gods in order to stop himself from dying; he and his followers are effectively in it for survival at any cost."


>You, ah, think those Cult Marines think the gods are rad? Like... those Rubricae love Tzeentch? Those Berserkers are thrilled with Khorne? The gods mark these guys. That’s all it means.

>Abaddon is Marked by all four gods. That doesn’t mean he thinks they rock. They marked him. That’s a one-way love affair, there. Same thing with the Black Legion as a general rule.

>Exceptions always exist and there are as many routes on the Path to Glory as there are Chaos Marines themselves, but don’t fall into the awkward assumption that being a Cult Marine—especially in the Black Legion—implies “worship” of the Chaos Gods.

>A Death Guard Plague Marine is a vastly different soul to a Black Legion Plague Marine. One of them is all about Nurgle. The other is all about breaking free of servitude to any and all mistakes made by their brethren and fathers, often including Word Bearer-style worship or Death Guard-style reverence.

>It’s not disingenuous to say that. It’s one of the core themes and points of the Black Legion, and a wider element of how Chaos Marines work.

-ADB

The recent CSM codex cosigns what ADB said, with it showing half a dozen Black Legion characters that are only loyal to Abaddon rather than the Chaos Gods

>>96374303
>>96374315
Shitty fucking defense. You retards know the setting is expansive enough that we can have large, climatic, and ultimately concluded narratives throughout an edition or editions with characters introduced, old ones killed off, and an ultimate conclusion without resorting to galaxy-shattering setting wide consequences. It used to be the bread and butter of 40k.

>>96373227 (OP)
The lion king

>>96374289
And what was happening? Because everyone went into the crusade knowing humans where doing the ruling and eventually the crusade will end.
So only a retard would not plan for the end of the war.

>>96374303
>He's the main antagonist in a setting
>This is not Abaddons fault or the writers.
Literally pick one

>>96374227
Sallyfag! What do you think of the new Salamander detachment? Are you gonna post a batrep when you play it?

>>96374345
Nope. You are either trolling or a newfag because that's not how 40K before Gathering Storm worked.
I am going with you being retard.

Since 2nd edition the setting was frozen at 999 M41

>>96374343
Sounds like a bunch of delusions. Chaos corrupts.

>>96374346
>Into the Water! Into the Truth!

>>96374361
Nope. We can fill pages with statements (in text and word of god) that Abaddon is incorruptible.

>>96374227
Finished some flash gits

>>96374266
>A Chaos simp at the head of Chaos never works since Chaos would walk all over him.
It always works, all chaos champions are simps for chaos and have always been, you cannot pretend it arbitrarily doesn't work now here.

>It's cooler having someone who hates Chaos being its leader since he would force it to act against its nature. See Archaon.
No, it's not cool to have a faction led by someone who hates the faction, it's like having someone who hates your faction write about your faction, the result is not going to be satisfactory or appealing to anyone but the ones who hate your faction. and abbadon is not forcing anything to behave differently, part of the problem is how he is SAID to hate chaos, but we never see anything about how it would affect chaos, the marines around him are still madmen retards doing retarded things because they're simps for the gods, and they are not allowed to be written any differently because that's the role the faction has to play in this toys game.

Having the goal of enslaving or killing chaos is pointless if there's no indication of how he would do it or why he would do it.
characters need motivations and abbadon's motivation is nonsensical from the get go because even if the marines who conquered the galaxy deserved to rule it then, they absolutely fucking certainly don't deserve to do it now, because they're not the ones who conquered it and they would do nothing but throwing it to chaos because even if abbadon wasn't a chaos simp, since he allegedly says he isn't despite having done nothing to go against them and everything to help them, the chaos marines around him are all certainly chaos simps.

abbadon is simply dysfunctional as a character, he lacks the basics of what makes a character one.

>>96374355
He picked one, dum dum.

>>96374287
You only care about that if you're shooting those weapons but you know it's volkite and what volkite does so you only need to check how many shots it has and how mich strength.

>>96374227
Also narrowly lost against blood angels recently

>>96374366
Looks good brother

>>96374364
Sound like a bunch of delusions. The guy is advancing the agenda of the chaos gods with literally everything he does.

>>96374375
How did you get that awesome playmobile tier plastic glow? It looks really cool.

>>96374368
Sorry, but you don't understand Chaos or the themes surrounding dark gods and their servants/champions in any fiction.

>all chaos champions are simps for chaos
This statement alone off the bat exposes that you are full of shit.

>>96374374
The point is that you still have to check. You ended up in the same trap of 40k.

>>96374377
What's flashier than solid gold snazzguns?

>>96374380
They are sabotaging and stonewalling him from invading Terra. So no.
They are also trying t

>>96374343
abd is wrong, marines worship chaos, even in the black legion, khornates worship khorne, the rubricae are mindless but the sorcerers absolutely love their shit, slaaneshi even more so.
Abbadon not liking chaos or even his closest circle in the black legion sharing that sentiment doesn't mean the chaos marines at large are the same, ESPECIALLY when you try to make a big deal about this and saying abbadon is unique and special and the chosen one and the betterest.

this higher purpose he speaks of and all these things abbadon has allegedly done to resist them are only on paper on these vague terms, in practice the only thing he did was open a tear in reality so that demons can do whatever the fuck they want.

>>96374398
Also trying to thwart his ally Vashtorr*
Ran out of posting time.

>>96374398
>The gods got him

>>96374388
In case you're not being sarcastic it's just pro acryl orange with agrax earthshade on top

>>96373532
The argument that
>X unit is too iconic to be removed
is entirely held up by the fact the land raider is still around, and we all know that kit is on a timer

>>96374392
I do understand it better than you, I'm just not such a fucking retard to think that the chaos fuckers, as they are actually presented, are anything but just chaos simps.

But sure, go ahead, hide behind the specific terms and semantics used on 4chan.

>>96374398
He still gave them half the galaxy. Which is an accomplishments that goes straight up against his own goals.

>>96374402
See >>96374398

He isn't. God-slaves in the Black Legion are a minority. Read the most recent Chaos Marine codex. Even the Dark Apostles of the Black Legion put Abaddon above the Chaos Gods.
Also read Fall of Cadia by Robert Rath. Abaddon culls God-slaves from his legion and grooms marines to be loyal to him and hateful of Chaos.

You don't understand, Abaddon actually is

>>96374422
False. Abaddon controls half the galaxy. Read

>>96374358
It’s alright. I’m not totally happy with it but beggars can’t be choosers. I’d rather have some Strats to boost unit toughness and the like. Also they should have replaced War Tempered Artifice with Immolator, not Champion of Humanity. CoH was probably the best enhancement in the detachment. Once I’m done Farsight I’m gonna build and paint another 10 infernus marines so I can try really leaning into the new detachment. Otherwise my list hasn’t really changed a ton.

>>96374398
No, they aren't, they aren't doing anything and abbadon isn't doing anything against them

>>96374412
nta but damn that pro acryl is bold as a muh fugga, looks good too.

>>96374364
That actually makes it worse because every character and narrator that tells you Abaddon isn't a slave to the gods comes off as being just as deluded as he is

>>96374368
>Having the goal of enslaving or killing chaos is pointless if there's no indication of how he would do it or why he would do it.
>characters need motivations and abbadon's motivation is nonsensical from the get go because even if the marines who conquered the galaxy deserved to rule it then, they absolutely fucking certainly don't deserve to do it now, because they're not the ones who conquered it and they would do nothing but throwing it to chaos because even if abbadon wasn't a chaos simp, since he allegedly says he isn't despite having done nothing to go against them and everything to help them, the chaos marines around him are all certainly chaos simps.
>abbadon is simply dysfunctional as a character, he lacks the basics of what makes a character one.
Finally somebody who gets it. Abaddon as a character is just dumb from the get go, at least now.
>"I'm gonna rule the Imperium and I'm going to enslave chaos" he says and genuinely thinks and believes this
>proceeds to do nothing but empower Chaos and make it stronger on his journey to try conquer the Imperium
It's like if the main BBEG villain in a DnD campaign was some random tardo who goes "I'm going to enslave humanity and turn them into my undead thralls!". And all the shit he does is basically him saving humans and being an actually nice guy.
And all his plans just end up benefitting the heroes who are trying to kill him.

>>96374428
Sounds so retarded that it can't possibly be true.

I wonder who gets the new detachment + character next
is it gonna be Imp Fists, Raven Guard or Iron hands

>>96374428
Every chaos marine is a God slave. The difference is between those that pretend differently and those that embraces it.

>>96374412
I wasn't being sarcastic, but up close it doesn't have quite the texture I thought it did. I thought it had a super smooth blue color like dyed plastic almost, probably just because of the camera. It's a very cool vehicle.

>>96374434
The imperium not controlling half of the galaxy doesn't mean abbadon controls that half.

Show me the shit he built, instead of pretending he built shit.

>>96374434
>Guys I totally control this half of the galaxy that is constantly under attack by demons and constantly being eaten by warp storms
>Not the gods that I hate that actually control those infinite armies of demons and those warpstorms

If you tell me that he's X but fail to actually show it and instead you show Y all the time I am not going to care about your delusions.

>>96374439
>Finally somebody who gets it.
Most people gets it. Abaddon has just some very vocal fanboys.

>>96374428
The black legion isn't all chaos marines, the fact that there are marked members in the black legion already shows just how everyone else is a puppet for demons.

And abbadon is fighting to give the galaxy to them, and he has done that, he isn't doing anything to harm the gods he isn't doing anything to build a better imperium ruled by better men.

lieutenant + intercessor squad
y/n?
anyone bother to run it to see how it feels?

>>96374473
Like chop liver for the enemies pleasure

>>96374428
Everyone and anyone who is corrupted by Chaos are slaves to the gods.

>>96374266
>Read this
>addresses literally nothing
no wonder you like reading black library slop, you don't understand what you're reading in the first place

>>96374225
Alpha Legion players are some of the worst and the cowards will just use loyalist models for some gay reason.

>>96374428
>He isn't. God-slaves in the Black Legion are a minority
All chaosfags are god-slaves, abbadon is the one exception, remember?

>>96374489
It's carnac, he is genuinely delusional.

>>96374473
Intercessors are at their best when kept as cheap as possible and using their sticky objectives rule. The lethal hits from the LT does some for them, but not enough to justify him over another 5 intercessors for damage output, and a 10 man + lt is just asking for something actually moderately killy to stroll in and annihilate them.

>>96374225
The latter are fatherless

>>96374437
>>96374445
Thanks fellas

>>96374494
>t. Lord Bale

>>96374494
I remember reading somewhere that alpha legion only fight in their true colors after victory is assured and they don't have to CIA the shit out of their target anymore. Tell AL players using loyalist models they are pussies for not being confident about their chances

>>96374487
>>96374515
okay, thanks. fall back, shoot, charge with target elimination 'sounded' helpful as a roaming skirmisher after objecting securing home base.
i guess i can just obsec, then screen away deepstrike.

>>96374436
>>96374471

Yes, they are. Read the intro of Arks of Omen Abaddon
Or ADB's paragraph about Abaddon on his blog.

>>96374451
>>96374460

The CSM codex says that Abaddon is empire-building in the north.

>>96374489
You are illiterate. Valdor sees the future where Abaddon rules Chaos

>>96374572
>The CSM codex says that Abaddon is empire-building in the north.
Emperor was empire-building in the past and he still didn't control the entire galaxy.

>>96374227
>tfw still nothing new to post

>>96374572
>Or ADB's paragraph about Abaddon on his blog.

I'm going to pop in to drop my $0.02 that dorecting someone to a blog is unhinged behavior.

>>96374567
It's not really awful or anything, and an LT does add some meaningful punch to the unit in close combat but intercessors aren't tanky enough that they'll meaninfully survive anything real getting into combat with them to use the fallback or fast enough that they can get to charge anything they'll want to charge. And 5 dudes firing 20 shots into 5 elves will kill them pretty much as dead as 10 dudes firing 40 shots, and the LT doesn't really add any ranged damage into their preferred targets.

>>96374572
>ADB's blog
3rd party fanfiction trash.

>>96374572
>Abaddon is empire-building in the north.
Sounds like the perfect place honestly. Being under an extremely strong chaos influence means that anyone who oppose chaos would first have lots of problems navigating the place and second would have to deal with constant demons support. A chaos follower couldn't ask for more.

>>96374587
Could you reveal your recipe for the base?

Do we know of any specific battles, campaigns, or conflicts of the Great Crusade that the Night Lords played a significant role in? Playing a GB&AL deathwatch game and trying to come up with backstory and experiences

>>96374592
Not him but is it worth doing that with a apothecary w/ the Gladius addon that gives lethal hits?

>>96373419
I think she's still Yraine's bodyguard. But yeah, Lelith does have a waifu and they definitely use a double sided dildo.

>shes so sexy and makes me wanna coom

>>96374589
>>96374594
Actually, Peachy said in an interview that the paragraph on ADB's site is taken from an internal document about Abaddon that Gav Thorpe first penned.

>>96374599
I need to make a simple picture tutorial, a lot of people like these bases for some reason
>AK texture pastes: Desert Sand and Sandy Desert applied randomly over the base with some pieces of cork to imitate rocks. Basecoat cork with grey. Wash everything with a 1:1 mix of brown and sepia. Drybrush with screaming skull and lighter with pallid wych flesh. Apply some dry pigments - I use sand and gypsum from scale75. Fix the pigments, add some tufts to taste and it's done

>>96374616
Actually Bligh said in a seance that all of that stuff is just ADB personal fanfiction that they humored as a joke

>>96374146
>he thinks a nigh-immortal race of warriors made to kill everything that moves with mental conditioning designed to make them hate those different from them are capable of working as government bureaucrats without going crazy or creating a brutal class system with themselves at the top

>>96374628
Simple and clean bases are the best. I absolutely hate busy bases that hide half the model or huge platforms of random shit.

>>96374572
Ah yes the arks of omen, the narrative where abbadon decides to help a demon become a 5th chaos god.
>well the other 4 won't like that
might as well bring to godhood another dozens great powers, that will surely stop chaos!

>>96374635
The interview is on the Warhammer tv channel (just unlisted).

>>96374644
The séance too

>>96374637
Literally all of the Primarch homeworlds with the exception of Nuceria were good after the Primarch's took over. Even the batshit insane Nostromo.

>>96374609
You mean Fire Discipline (which gives sustained 1)? Probably not. You pay even more points (75 for the apoth+enhancement vs 65 for LT) and lose out on the melee prowess of the LT, which is one of the main reasons to want to include him. The ressurecting models is kind of useless on the intercessors, they're too easy to wipe out completely and not really kill enough that ressurecting one matters. The enhancement also *really* wants to be on an actually shooty unit, like eradicators or desolation squads, rather than skirmishing intercessors.

>>96374649
Yeah this is why they were rebelling against primarchs constantly?

>>96374641
Vashtorr doesn't lie; he cannot tell a falsehood. He said if he achieved godhood, then Abaddon would achieve his ambition.

You purposely forget that Abaddon's deal with Vashtorr is caused by the Chaos Gods cockblocking him.

>>96374657
>Vashtorr doesn't lie; he cannot tell a falsehood

This. We know this because Vashtorr told us so we know it's true.

>>96374657
I cant tell who's the frog and who's the scorpion in that relationship

>>96374657
>bro daemons would never lie
You definetly sound like the type who would instantly get duped into selling your soul in a faustian bargain.

>>96374657
>You purposely forget that Abaddon's deal with Vashtorr is caused by the Chaos Gods cockblocking him.

>"Ehi you know that puppet that constantly advances our goals while pretending he does not?"
>"He tried to do something for himself so I cockblocked him. And you know what he does?"
>"He made a pact with our cousin and he's now trying to advance our goals as revenge!"

I need a pic of Statler and Waldorf edited to resemble chaos gods

>>96373553
Being the literal face of the faction for 28 years doesn't qualify as iconic I guess.

>>96374644
>my source? A Blogpost
>my source that the blogpost is canon? An unlisted interview

I respect it but this still sounds deranged

>>96374657
>I'm not like the other demons, kyaa!
Lmao

>>96374669
>>96374668
>>96374659
Vashtorr is a being of ultimate order. He doesn't lie.

>>96374683
It really doesn't

>>96374688
Kek

>>96374395
You'll always need to check but there's a difference between checking a number in a statline and which of the 32 versions of deepstrike or fnp we are dealing with like in 8th or 9th.

>>96374657
>chaos is being chaotic? how could it be?
>I better add a 5th chaos god to the pantheon!

Why did they have to make apothecaries useless in 10th? What was wrong with them giving a fnp in 9th? You can't attach them to anything worth reviving except bladeguard.

>>96374398
>target silenced, my lord

>>96374688
>chaos god
>being of ultimate order
The only order here is the order of magnitude of your retardation.

Djinn don't lie either.

>>96374702
>there's a difference between checking a number in a statline and which of the 32 versions of deepstrike or fnp we are dealing with like in 8th or 9th.

There is really not, that's the point. You are still going to waste time because GW writers can't help themselves to not make a hundred different special unique things, be them a deep strike that works better or a plasma gun with 1 extra shot.

>>96374698
It does but primarisfags believe nor being alive during those years means they didn't happen.

My respect for Chaos players is plummeting by the second.

>>96374619
The game starts before the DSM, so sadly not valid. Anything from the actual crusade era?

>>96374677
Except for the fact that the Chaos Gods are working to thwart abby and vash.

>>96374398
>They are sabotaging and stonewalling him from invading Terra.
By doing what exactly? And what is abbadon doing to sabotage chaos exactly?
And if the 4 are together in sabotaging abbadon, they can simply revoke their shit.

>>96374657
>i am not a slave to chaos, i'm not a puppet
>i'll just work with it willingly and even help it to achive its goals in the mean time
>but i still 100% totally hate chaos and i will 100% totally enslave it to MY will, not the other way around
Abaddon and his stans are equally delusional and it's not even funny at this point.

>>96374724
Order is one of the many mutations of Chaos. Did you forget that Chaos Gods of Order or the fact that the Emperor himself is a being of order who draws his power from Chaos?

Retard.

>>96374735
Correct.
I don't give a shit about mk7 because I never grew up with it and to me it is just another armor mark.

>>96374746
They certainly don't look like they're trying very hard, what are they doing precisely?
Why not one of those apocalyptic demonic invasions? They can do one of those whenever they want now thanks to abbadon, so why not do one if it would stop him?
>well, they don't want it!

>>96374748
>>96374747
Lore is lore. Abaddon cannot invade Terra without the Chaos Gods unraveling his legions

Here is a paraphrase from an old ADB interview:
>-If Abaddon wins, then Chaos loses. He isn't fighting for them. He is fighting for the grievances of the traitor legions when the Emperor abandoned them, he is fighting for the Imperium that the legions had built in the Great Crusade, he is fighting to wash away the failures of their fathers. So the Chaos Gods will never allow him to win. Instead they will continue to desperately try to convert him to their side because if Abaddon joins his might with one of the Chaos Gods, then that Chaos God would come the closet to winning the Great Game of Chaos.

>>96374732
Mate you're retarded. The whole plasma family has certain characteristics that you'll know at a glance because they are consistent. They kill heavy infantry, they can overcharge, they can blow up. None of that you need to check. It's way quicker to look at one or two numbers than having to read two paragraphs worth of special rules because they are different on every gun. That's the point. Having a set of standardized special rules and weapon families that all share the same special rules makes things quick to reference and easy to remember. I don't get what you want by denying this simple fact.

>>96374752
>Did you forget that Chaos Gods of Order
Those don't exist.
>Emperor himself is a being of order who draws his power from Chaos
Emperor isn't a god and he is stuck on the Golden Throne still and hasn't ascended anywhere.
Also Emperor is a psyker, he draws power from the Warp. Warp isn't Chaos.

>>96374747
>they can simply revoke their shit
They can't. They gave him powers and juice without claiming his soul. Just how they couldn't revoke what they gave The Emperor.

>>96374757
Tzeenth sent Magnus and his TS against Vashtorr.
Abaddon cannot push to Terra because the Chaos Gods would tear apart his legions because he refuses to bend the knee to them.

Power Rapier!

>>96374752
What about the CTan? Are they beings of perfect Order completely anathema to Chaos?

>>96374761
>Lore is lore.
And this lore is certainly fucking retarded, non-sensical shit made by hacks.

>>96374752
calling all warp gods chaos gods is a gross reduction.
vashtorr is not in the grouping of the gods of law, they have their own mechanical god of law already, vashtorr is part of the capital C Chaos grouping.

>>96374746
>Except for the fact that the Chaos Gods are working to thwart abby and vash

The Chaos Goda are also working to thwart each other 99% of the time,and Tzeentch is also working to thwart himself 100% of the time. That's literally how Chaos works.

Will anyone here be using the hit new competitive innovation?

>>96374688
Doesn't, not in his nature, and can't, are all vastly different in meaning.

>>96374765
>Those don't exist.
Yes, they do. One of them was mentioned in AoS.
>Emperor isn't a god and he is stuck on the Golden Throne still and hasn't ascended anywhere.
He is becoming one and is already part of the Great Game.

Since 2nd edition, the Chaos lore said that Chaos = Warp and vice versa. The two are indivisible.

>>96374770
>Abaddon cannot push to Terra
But that is exactly what Abaddon is doing though?
It's the reason why Haarken took over the passage way in the rift that is one of the few "bridges" between the light side and dark side of the Imperium. And he specifically is doing it so he, Abaddon and the Black Legion can punch the blockade open and push into Segmentum solar.

>>96374638
I like doing a bit higher effort bases for my fantasy stuff but yeah not a fan of cork platforms or stuff like that either

>>96374761
>lore is lore
that has never EVER been true. The lore is whatever the writer of whatever you're reading wants it to be. Nothing is consistent and there's no point trying to connect anything beyond the broadest strokes. 40k authors (both rulebooks and BL) are notoriously negligent

>>96374774
Different order of gods, and the C'tan never valued order. They liked destruction and spread mayhem.

>>96374783
They are united in screwing over Abaddon.

>>96374780
Not really. Read.

>>96374787
The future of wargaming right there

>>96374800
>40k authors (both rulebooks and BL) are notoriously negligent
It amuses me to no end how autists will argue over what is canon and what is not based on ten different sources when nobody writing these sources gave a fuck about consistency

>>96374796
Why won't you read Arks of Omen: Abaddon? The first pages answers everything.

>>96374763
You know what also makes things easier to remember? Not having a hundred dozen variants of a plasma gun because you have to masturbate to your legion having ultra special plasma.

Why don't you post the plasma weapon family reference sheet from HH 3.0 so that we can compare it to >>96373991?

Pay attention, I am not saying that modern (or not even that modern, this bullshit started in 5th) 40k is better. I am saying that HH made the same exact mistakes.

>>96374791
>AoS
AoS and its fluff is irrelevant to 40k and not connected.
>he is becoming one
He isn't, he actively refuses to and is just stuck on the Golden Throne.
>but chaos lore
Irrelevant.

>>96374810
>>96374800
Lies. ADB is in charge of the lore and the lore has been consildated

>>96374769
>They can't.
They're gods, they can do whatever they want, the fact they don't do something is because they don't want, not because they can't do it.

They could open a warpstorm and scatter abbadon's legion all the same, they could throw a demonic invasion like nothing else in the galaxy at him and him specifically, or they could make all of the warp shit in his arsenal and warriors that aren't similarly super special suddenly disappear.

They don't do that because they're not actually thwarting abbadon, they're goading him with carrot and stick.
Hell, he opened the great rift despite it doing nothing but making things better for chaos, and he's now uplifting a 5th chaos god.

Abbadon is a fucking tool, no matter the half assed copes of writers who can't write a coherent shit if it was the only thing in their diet.

>>96374813
I did and I already explained to you what the plan is.
Abaddon's plan is to invade Terra and it still is.
You're just making up shit to try make Abaddon make sense when he doesn't.

>>96374801
>Not really. Read.
Yes, really. You didn't read.

>this thread

You marinefags are the worst

>>96374801
>They are united in screwing over Abaddon
Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh are also united in screwing over Khorne. Nurgle Tzeentch and Khorne are unit in screwing over Slaanesh. Tzeentch Khorne and Slaanesh are united in screwing over Nurgle. And Khorne, Slaanesh, Nurgle and Tzeentch are united in screwing over Tzeentch.

Again, that's literally the point of Chaos.

>>96374770
>Tzeenth sent Magnus and his TS against Vashtorr.
No, he didn't, magnus never fought vashtorr.

>trying to come up with a color scheme for my imperial fists successor chapter
>Luftwaffe blue because fleet based chapter with yellow pauldrons
>accidentally re-created space wolves color scheme but a little darker
>fuck it and swap blue with carmine red and make the helmets and trim gray
>my friend asks if they're a blood angels successor

I'm apparently not very creative and I am in fact retarded. I'm going back to painting my dark angels in shame

>>96374761
>lore is lore
There have always been female custodes.
You precious lore can change at the drop of a hat. Best not get too attached to it.

>>96374821
>ADB in charge of lore
forget the horrors of the far future THAT shit is scary

>>96374846
Paint them what you want anon. My blood angels look like ultramarines. It would be cool to have some imperial fist successors that have blue and yellow anon I think you should do it.

>>96374846
You are retarded but for a different reason than you think.

>>96374846
color schemes are not stored in the geneseed

>>96374798
This amount is fine (for me) but I hate stuff like pic related.

>>96374787
why have the 3d part at all. just use marker lines to show which sides have ruins.

>>96374787
>Fucking Tzeentch

>bro i don't work for chaos
>trust me bro, i'll have them enslaved and destroy them
>but wait, i gotta go open another portal so demons can pour out into reality
>but trust me i'm not a puppet of the gods dude
Marines were never going to rule the Imperium at all. Emperor never promised this at all.
Ever since Imperium was founded most of its govermental and bureocratic elements were handled by regular humans, like Senatorum Imperialis which already existed when the Unification Wars ended on Terra.
Same goes for the Adeptus Administratum which was founded by Malcador himself.

None of these things were never hidden at all. Abaddon is genuinely just a clueless, un-observant half-wit. And is now just making it the entire galaxy's problem because he is an idiot.

He isn't even fit to rule anyway, Emperor might be a tyrant in Abaddon's eyes, but so is Abaddon himself. He's a hypocrite.
If he ever gets power he will just rule over humanity with an iron fist worse than the Emperor ever would.
He is a delusional puppet on a strings doing the bidding of the very gods he hates but he is too blinded by his plans and ambition to actually see it.
Opening of the Great Rift has only empowered Chaos further and made it yet even MORE prevalent in the galaxy.
Just by looking up into the Rift can cause a person to go mad and become corrupted by Chaos which is yet another seed for a new Chaos cult.
In fact the fluff supports this and has stated that ever since the Rift opened the amount of Chaos cults has exponentially risen and growing constantly. Another fun thing about the Rift is due to it being directly connected to the Warp it means Warp energy is continuesly pouring out into the galaxy, meaning that Daemonic Incursions are now more common than ever.
Also fun tidbit is that the Great Rift is continuesly expanding and it is constantly swallowing up more and more planets into the Warp every passing year.

Abaddon is a retard and the people who write him are even stupider.

>>96374791
>Chaos = Warp
Not all chaos/warp is capital C Chaos, it's a gross oversimplification.

>>96374592
i appreciate it. was trying to sprinkle one or two more lieutenants for more lethal hits happening around the board, upping some of the small and mid range threats.
if the intercessors weren't a sleeper, my next dumb idea was Hellblaster +Lieutenant + Impulsor. the output is obviously more, but i didn't want to miss a chance to default dance with intercessors

>>96374837
Chaosfags*
Or singular fag in this case.

>>96374844
The new robots were unleashed in order for the TS to chase Vashtorr into the pariah Nexus.
Magnus received a vision by Tzeentch that told him to stop Vash.

>>96374839
Except that Abaddon isn't a god. The Chaos Gods are uniting against him the same way they united against the Emperir.

>>96374821
>ADB is in charge of the lore
Goes to explain why everything most recently is so lame and gay when it comes to 40k.
I bet female custodes were his idea and he intentionally pushed for it since he has said that he wanted to make them in the past.

>>96374912
Says in the 10th ED Chaos Marine codex that the fall of Terra and the Emperor is not the end of Abaddon's quest for vengeance.
The implication is that the Chaos Gods are next.
Which would explain why the Chaos Gods refuse to let Abaddon win.

>>96374628
Thanks anon. Made myself this so I remember.

>What if everyone in a marine squad carried big plasma guns?
This should be called a devastator squad with an autistic loadout, but instead it's called a hellblaster squad.

>>96374926
What are you talking about? 40K is in a good spot now. It's hitting the mainstream and people outside of chuds are okay with the lore direction

>>96374922
>The new robots were unleashed in order for the TS to chase Vashtorr into the pariah Nexus.
Vashtorr planned to go there in the first place, he planned shit there and his arrival is meant as a triumph.
>Magnus received a vision by Tzeentch that told him to stop Vash.
And did nothing and went nowhere.


and how retarded do you have to be to think robots would do anything to the machine demon?

>>96374935
Even if this were true, it’s kind of insane to me that you think this is a good thing. The trajectory of this is basically “live action Halo TV series” and the countless other absolute dogshit other things that have happened in the past ten years.

>>96374935
What IS the Lore direction anyway? Seems pretty static to me.

>>96374879
Elaborate. Is it because I'm a frogposter? Because that's fair.

>>96374931
Hey no problem anon. I'll try to remember to make a simple picture guide when basing my LoC just for the hell of it

>>96374823
ADB said repeatedly that Abaddon is the kingmaker, he who stands above the Chaos Gods.
So eat your heart out.

EU-Anons, you might care for this:
Dawn of War Onslaught (in german. Der Kampf geht weiter) is available at the Müller online store right now, for 29,95.

https://www.mueller.de/p/dawn-of-war-der-kampf-geht-weiter-PPN3100652

Thats 10€ cheaper than the suggested pricetag, but maybe shipping cost will kill that deal for you.

>>96374933
>This should be called a devastator squad with an autistic loadout
It is

>>96374815
> Not having a hundred dozen variants of a plasma gun because you have to masturbate to your legion having ultra special plasma.
There's more guns in 30k because there's four times as many units in the roster, not because of that. Here is the entire space marine plasma list, most of which are heavier versions for vehicles or dreadnoughts. You'll notice how consistent they all are. There's maybe at most two that could arguably be removed.

>>96374950
What do you mean by static? We get a Crusade book every 2-3 months that progresses the meta-story

>>96374927
Yeah, he only needs to kill the Emperor and cause the Golden Throne to stop working to unleash a gigantic warp rift that will eat the half of the galaxy not already in the hands of chaos. And once he will have done that he will have enough strength to punch the Chaos Gods in the face!

>>96374967
>It is
It's not called a devastator. It doesn't have plasma cannons. It can't change their weapons for others in the heavy weapons list. It's not.

>>96374963
He also stated he's a delusional puppet, but you forgot that one, didn't you?

>>96374955
That too but mainly because you care so much if your scheme looks different/unique enough. I don't think it's even possible at this point to make a special snowflake marine scheme, everything was probably done already by someone else.

>>96374971
Abaddon planned for this. He saw that future. He won't allow it to happen. He wants to rule the galaxy, not give it to the Chaos Gods.

>>96374846
>posts no models

>>96374963
>the fluff is shit
>nooo it isn't!!
>no, it's shit it's inconsistent, look
>well, if the writer says it's consistent then it's consistent lalalalal I can't hear you!

>>96374978
Nope. Every piece of lore since 6th ed said that Abaddon is not controlled by Chaos Gods in any way nor is he corrupted or deluded by Chaos.

The only deluded guy here is you.

>>96374969
Does it? What's happening right now in the meta story?

>>96374968
If you can't look at the page you have posted and see it as the abomination it is then you are part of the problem and you deserve everything that is coming to you.

>>96374933
but i like devastators, especially the loadouts that don't explode on use so i guess i'm okay with the allahackbar squad being called hellblasters

>>96374987
It's pretty consistent, actually.

>>96374983
How?
>Inb4 he just will
I thought the author was ADB not Todd Howard

>>96374979
It's fair to want to not just do a 1:1 copy of a different chapter. That said, I'm stealing his second one I think it would look good. When I get home I'm going to try it out on a pyreblaster since I have 20 of them for some fucking reason.

>>96374997
By uncovering the Old One fate fate-changing super weapon that Vashtorr told him about.

>There's an apothecary gravis unit
>Gives lethal hits

>There's a captain Gravis unique character who's whole thing is tricking out weapons
>Gives FnP
???

>>96374976
>It's not called a devastator
Yea, it is, that's the battlefield role they're marked with.
>It doesn't have plasma cannons
That's not a requirement.
>It can't change their weapons for others in the heavy weapons list
Yes, it can, look.

>>96374988
He said it in his blog, lmao.

>>96375006
Kek

>>96374227
I'll take a better pic later, but just finished (minus basing and battle damage) the new BT chaplain with some stormcast bits.
He's not a psyker, he just loves the God Emperor so goddamn hard his sword is on fire.

>>96375007
gotta protect doc, by using violence

lmao burgers getting fucked

>>96375006
If that could do the job why didn't the old ones use it?

>>96374967
No, Hellblaster Squads are made up of Hellblasters. A Devastator is not a Hellblaster. They are both a type of Fire Support, but they are not the same. They differ in that Hellblasters may only carry Plasma Incinerators into battle, whereas Devastators are forbidden from ever touching a Plasma Incinerator or else their Devastator Squad will tell them to fuck off and join a Hellblaster Squad.

>>96374990
You can't compare the size of the game between 3rd with a roster of a dozen units and 30k with almost a hundred. Those extra units will need weapons too or else there wouldn't be any reason for them to exist. But that doesn't mean we have to switch from that system to the retarded datacard/warscroll system and remove all the wargear mechanics from the game.

>>96374965
I don't think they ship outside of germany

>>96374960
Would be great. One more, thing, what color is on the rim of the base?

>>96375008
Repeating lies don't make them true.
>look a devastator with heavy bolter

>>96375025
I kind of wish dropshipping wasn't a thing so the exceptions on tariffs would still be around I've gotten really fucked on my expensive chinese teas I like for some reason

>>96375029
>They are both a type of Fire Support
Which makes hellblasters devastators, but devastators not hellblasters.

It's pretty clear.

>>96375026
Supposedly, the Old Ones died/vanished before they could use it. Then their servants dismembered the weapon and locked it away.

>>96375039
It's TTC Dragon Fang but I was using Zandri Dust before and it looked nice as well

>>96375030
>Those extra units will need weapons too or else there wouldn't be any reason for them to exist
You are getting closer

>>96375041
Not part of the marine army, not a marine, not in the fire support squads of a chapter.

While hellblasters and desolators are, because they're devastators with an autistic loadout.

>>96375049
Why are you pretending like all fire support squads are devastators?

>>96375050
Impossible, the old ones had time travel, and an ungodly amount of time before shit hit the fan, there's no possibility they couldn't do what they wanted to do.

>>96375066
So did the C'tan and Necrons, and they were better at it than the Old Ones

>>96375065
can you point me to a 40k firstborn fire support squad that isn't a devastator squad?

>>96375058
>Not part of the marine army, not a marine, not in the fire support squads of a chapter.
So now you are inventing completely different things that qualify for a devastator.
>While hellblasters and desolators are
Why aren't they called a devastator squad if they are a devastator squad?
>inb4 they are but for gameplay purposes they are split
Not true and even then the loadout would be added to the squad name, like land speeders or predators.

Current Space Marine plasma weapons

>Hellblasters
2 shots S7 ap 2 d1 normally,
2 shots S8 AP3 D2 Hazardous overcharge

>Plasma Pistols
S7 ap 2 d1 normally,
S8 AP3 D2 Hazardous overcharge

>Tacticals Plasma Gun
1 shot rapid fire ap 2 d1 normally,
1 shot rapid fire S8 AP3 D2 hazardous overcharge

>Dreadnought Plasma
D6+1 blas, S8 AP3 D2 normally
D6+1 Blast, S9 AP4 D3 Hazardous overcharge

>rep Ex plasma
D6+1 blas, S8 AP3 D2 normally
D6+1 Blast, S9 AP4 D3 Hazardous overcharge

THE ONLY ISSUE IS THE FUCKING INCEPTOR WHY ARE YOUR PLASMAS DAMAGE 3

>>96375073
No, they weren't, the necrons can only do basic tricks with time travel, the old one's empire was built across multiple dimensions of space and time, on the other hand.

>>96375052
Thank you anon!

>>96375075
Thunderfire cannons. More if we count the Imperial Armour units.

>>96375025
>canadians now too poor to buy american alcohol
>$9B market collapse
>americans now too poor to buy british toys
>£1M company's profit shrinks a bit
it's even funnier than you think

>>96375083
>So now you are inventing completely different things that qualify for a devastator.
I'm not inventing anything, it's all self evident.
>Why aren't they called a devastator squad if they are a devastator squad?
for the same reason they don't state "ultramarine primaris space marine" at the beginning of every unit option
>then the loadout would be added to the squad name
the loadout option is added to the squad name already, it's not more specific than that because they have multiple different types of that weapon

>>96375092
One dude operating a cannon is not a squad of marines.
Let alone a techmarine.

>>96374968
>Overcharged plasma pistol and a plasma pistol using the maximal fire profile are different things
>Plasma Guns and Twin Plasma Guns have exactly the same profile
>Everything going maximal has +1 to strenght, except Plasma Cannons for reasons
>Plasma Blaster looks like a slightly stronger plasma gun, but it's in the middle of heavy vehicle plasma weapons
What the fuck am I reading? Who wrote this shit

>>96375086
Inceptors are good anon

I'm finally getting a (printed) baneblade for my guard, which variant is the best one for killing knights?

>>96375121
>Plasma Guns and Twin Plasma Guns have exactly the same profile
Twin has one better breaching.

>>96375216
The shadowsword I think

>>96375086
dual wield perk

>>96375185
it's so funny that the space marine's only good access to mass Damage 3 is either on a firstborn tank or the deep strike drop troopers

>>96375243
Space marines are having a bad time

If I build a Daemon Prince with wings must I use him as a Daemon Prince with wings or can I use him like he has no wings as well?

>>96375224
What? Why? How does it make sense

>>96375216
What scale is the baneblde? I want to put a KV2 turret on one for a Valhalla tank squad I'm thinking about doing

camo pattern tanks look so out of place in 40k

>>96375285
Tbh all good looking tanks look out of place in 40k

>>96375263
Welcome to 3.0.

>>96375285
the guard only exists to get historical wargamers to play 40k and buy GW minis. Thats why they focus so hardcore on cadians.

>>96375263
two guns are better than one

>>96375263
>>96375234

>>96375285
It depends on the army but since every army is Cadian or Krieg now then ya. but Steel legion always looked good with camo.

>>96373896
primaris already have volkite

>>96373996
looks like you only did a basecoat and a wash and some chunky drybrushing like always!

would be cool if the Grey Knights dont get primaris and stay firstborn as a unique feature

>>96373996
The absolute state of nu40k paintjobs

I FUCKING HATE WORKING WITH UV RESIN
MOTHERFUCKER IS SO BRITTLE AAAAAAAAA

>>96375308
You'd think it'd be obvious, but the wisdom of the moritat has been lost to time.

>>96375372
Only if they become a cheap and reliable source of Mk7 and 8 helmets

What are the gameplay differences between black templars, blood angels and space wolves? Are they distinct from each other enough to warrant 3 codexes of melee marines?

>>96375389
thank you and /3dpg/ for beta testing this tech, i can't be fucked right now lmao

>>96375399
GK don't use those

>>96375389
stop buying bad resin brands

>>96375431
Every fucking time I think I have a cool bit, it lightly taps something and it snaps
I'm so fucking tired of patching shit with superglue

>>96375261
of course. you can magnetize them if you want to play closer to wysiwyg

>>96375416
Black Templars are mass infantry, Blood Angels are mass jet packs while Space Wolves are the middle ground with some additional fast but not flying units like Thunderwolf Cavalry. Dark Angels are Special Mass Plasma or only Terminators or only bikes.

In the end it's just flavor and depends on the meta. Right now Black Templars have a very unfluffy meta list of all tanks.

>>96375363
>>96375379
back to back comments on a near 4 hour old post, hmm who could this be? None other than the shit stirring king himself!

>>96375460
schizo

>>96375465
Right on cue

>>96375451
Why is House a Dark Angel?

>>96375460
>,giving them attention
>The shitstirring king himself
You mean you?

>>96375416
no, they make the codexes because the pigs will buy them

>>96375469
just stop begging for attention bro this is pathetic

>>96375473
>No U!

Classic..

>>96375443
bought some 3d printed wings for nu-sanguinary guard, most of them snapped in transit
my super glue has an application brush, it wasn't so bad. haven't seen if the cracks show through yet, but at least i can incorporate it in the scheme

>>96375465
>>96375473
>>96375476
Stop replying to him you retards

>>96375484
Here he goes!

>>96375261
Yeah, I run my autarchs with wings/jump pack as the foot version all the time

>>96375505
Yea its me calling my own models trash and also defending them but at the same time telling people to stop replying to me. In fact the entire thread is just me.

>>96373996
Ew

>immediate response when name-dropped
>Immediate insult post on his forgotten picture over a minute later
At least make it less transparent

in the end, was he a genestealer?

>>96375524
>>96375532
You’re both pieces of trash

Any tips for priming? Can I do it on the balcony?

Will I be treated as badly as the space wolf anon when I post my models? I'm worried.

>>96375557
No this is a specific case of targeted harassment by local crazies you will be fine.

>>96375557
I doubt your models are low effort slop like his are so you're probably fine.

>>96375557
Only if you do something to rile up the resident schizo.
Do nothing and your minis will be simply ignored or granted hollow comments.

>>96375556
you can but you should really use a cardboard box to catch overspray just in case you have neighbors nearby when you're spraying, and so you don't get paint all over your presumably rented balcony
shake the shit out of the can while upside down for at least 5 minutes, 10 minutes if it's white or light grey primer, spray in short bursts starting off the model, dragging across quickly and ending off the model, keep the can roughly 10-12 inches from the thing you're spraying as well and don't try to spray if it's over 75 degrees or too humid out
and my personal advice is get a bulk box of plastic spoons to test your primer spray on first thing before every spray session to make sure it's behaving properly in the ambient conditions
>>96375557
as long as you don't throw a 400 post temper tantrum if somebody gives you constructive criticism you'll be fine

>>96375556
You may get spray blowing back at your windows or in your face, it's best to go down stairs and do it and then bring it back up if you live in a flat. Wind is no Bueno for priming

>>96375579
>Resident schizo
That's (you)

>>96375556
depends, who owns the building and do they care you'll get primer on it?

Someone post some models before this devolves into another circlejerk shitfit, I don't want to repost mine

>>96375557
Nah, the fecalslopper throws tantrums every other thread, unless you start doing that too then you'll be good

>>96375598
i'm too paranoid some schizo will back trace me if i show off my donut steels

>>96375557
you'll be fine as long as you don't continually avatarfag and fuck with the thread

>>96375599
See what your behavior causes? >>96375618

>>96375625
but i was always this paranoid

>>96375583
>plastic spoons
banned in first world countries

>>96374169
>of something that happened 'off screen'
Dawn of War 1 and 3 and Gathering Storm is hardly was off screen