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>>96384765 (OP)
more like gay death legion

>>96384785
Pfft. Shows what you know. There is so much sex happening in the GDL that babies are being born into the company.

>>96384817
the only heterosexual relationship a mechwarrior can be in is with a battlemech

How would have it been?

>>96384945
I care more about the follow up. Do the bull's get to send their premier mech unit on Operation Serpent?

>>96384945
a gigantic mess, and not the good kind

>>96384945
If we're switching the invasion direction, we should also switch the clans involved.
what's everyone's picks for the worst possible set of invading clans?

>>96385029
Fire Mandrill tops my list.

>>96385029
As long as you include the Mandrills and Hellions you're basically guaranteed a clusterfuck regardless of the others involved.

>>96385029
Mandrills, Hellions, Burrocks and Spirits
Have the Scorps and Sharks as the backup clans

>>96384945
Cappies and the Bulls throw nukes like candies, and then retaliational orbital glassing everywhere?

>>96385055
Probably this yeah. It'd suck because there'd be basically no mech fights.

>>96385055
What if they throw the nukes at the warships?

>>96384945
On one hand, no capellans. On the other hand, irradiated wastelands on the Taurian border.
What would a fight betwixt the cows and clans look like? Would they try and ram the command ship with the hulk of the vandenberg when the clans inevitably glassed their way to taurus?

>>96384945
>Jags & Nova Cats miss out on Canopus
So close to Canopian Catgirls vs. Clanner Catboys

>>96384945
Total MoC and Capellan death. Taurians and Davions are the ones that put aside their ancient grudges to form a new long lasting alliance.
Lyrans and Dracs hang back to build up their force. With the NRR now in place, they both are starting to get along better, but still seek expansion. Steiner invades Marik and Kurita invades both the OA and the Davions, pushing them together into an alliance as well. Meanwhile, the Mariks are forced into a full alliance with the Marian Hegemony and Circinus Federation.
Instead of a battle of Tukayid, the clans openly reveal that Comstar has been helping them the whole time. This leads to Comstar terrorist cell uprising all across the Inner Sphere as the Great Houses seek to clamp down on Comstar and strip them of their authority.

>>96385055
Just like the Capellans threw nukes around when half of their country was conquered overnight in the 4SW, right?

Right?

>>96385234
>Total MoC ... death
Oi, why should Space Vegas go down with the Caps?

>>96384371
>>96384625
Probably rigged just like the Mackie test. When a defense contractor conducts a test that results in them becoming fabulously wealthy, it's healthy to be skeptical.

>>96385489
Can we stop with “The Mackie Test was rigged” bullshit? Even if the initial test was rigged, a later test against an entire enemy advanced tank company and infantry company still had the Mackie come out on top and this was with actual enemies trying to kill it for real. Mechs are very powerful compared to convees, Myomer is too good to ignore.

>>96384945
If House Arano wasn't destroyed before, they would be now.

>>96385029
Ice Hellions, Mandrills, one of the snakes, and Blood Spirit.
Blood Spirits take on the Bulls.

>>96385029
Blood Spirits, Fire Mandrills, Ice Hellions, Goliath Scorpion, with Cloud Cobras and Snow Ravens in reserve.

>>96385444
Who needs Vegas? There are multiple gas stations within 5 minutes of where I live that all have "skill games". There's probably casinos on every planet in the Inner Sphere; prostitutes and drugs too.

Battletech kinda reminds me of Chromehounds in a way.
>Your hounds, the expensive mechs that form the cornerstone of your military
>The ACV’s, the cheap mechs (like the bugmechs) designed to be spammed en mass, die fairly quickly but still require some attention to take out
>The tanks and IFV’s (like the convees) designed to serve as speed bumps, die in few light hits but still do enough scratch damage you don’t want to just ignore them

>>96385554
Oh dang. I forgot about them. Nevermind everyone, the entire clan invasion is off. It grounds to a complete halt as they encounter hundreds of King Crabs, Atlases, and star league era mechs.

Repeating the question from the previous thread.
I'm painting some Capellans. Primary color is light green. I don't know what to use for the secondary color. Obviously it needs to go well with green, but what's a Capellan color otherwise?

>>96385630
I chose silver as my accent. You could use a darker shade of green.

>>96384945
You know, we always see this axis of the Inner Sphere, but what about the other 2 axis? It is a sphere afterall.

>>96385651
You mean from the side? I think Mechassault 2 had a map like that.

>>96385489
lmao writing ridiculously extreme victories that clearly wouldn't have actually played out that way and then walking it back into being a product of the mists of time and hearsay is a trend.

Though the mackie one is bullshit. Changing the outcome over twenty years later for the entire inciting incident for the rest of the setting is embarrassing. If you don't like it, just leave it a mystery.

God, people really get super worked up over the current standing canon of all this? They'll just write whatever they feel like anyway. You could have a heated argument at the table over the year of introduction for a weapon type only to find out they've today officially retconned it 100 years earlier because some book once included it.

>>96385657
Presumably we're seeing it from the top, but yeah, the left side, right side, front view, back view, and if necessary, a bottom view too. I want to see the full picture.
>I think Mechassault 2 had a map like that.
But if I can't see every angle, this would be a good start.

>>96385639
Is that really an accent? Seems like you're just making the weapons silver, which admittedly, I do too most of the time.

>>96385658
It’s especially stupid cause we already know that convees are cheaper on an individual basis but more expensive on an efficiency basis which is why mechs are preferred when possible. When you need twice as many C-Bills in convees to take out half that cost in mechs the economics favor mechs.

>>96385630
I'd go with yellow, but honestly anything. Green and red can look nice if you do it well (or ass if you don't).

>>96385651
FASA officially gave a statement on this, it goes "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU".

>>96384945
Overall I think the Clans would have a much harder time with that invasion corridor. They are going to be encountering actual garrisons and frontline units much faster than they did going through the Combine. The whole reason they ate up so much territory so quickly was them hitting from an unexpected direction that no one had any real plan on how to handle. Fucking everyone sharing a border with the Capellans was already expecting trouble from that direction.

Once the Clans stopped hitting Periphery worlds and worlds considered the absolute lowest priority for military deployments they slowed down a lot. Dropping a Star on a world that dosen't even have a single heavy mech guarding it is one thing, running into a battalion sized force with veteran pilots and support elements is going to take a lot more than just a Trinary trying to call batchalls at the guys lobbing artillery from over the horizon.

Also the Jags are going to have a bad time. Santander except it's every world and with the occasional nuke thrown in trying to take that route. Not going to wank on the Taurians like they would just repel it outright but the Jags would be wearing themselves thin for basically no gain and then immediately hitting the active warzone on the Capellan / FedSun border. Running into a mix of Warrior House and elite Guard units on worlds already prepared for fighting an invasion would probably stall them out for the rest of the invasion.They have really the worst possible invasion corridor.

>>96384945
Wonder if Takashi would backstab Hanse in time like this, or Teddy be able to stop his dad from that

I want to put some civilian dropships on a map for my players to walk around, with the dropships occasionally firing on whichever mech is closer(and probably missing). I was thinking a Monarch, but also a Buccaneer and K-1. Which might be the most common to be found on a planetary spaceport?

>>96385651
Like from above or below? Naw, everyone know that wargaming space is always a flat sheet and coming in from above or below (in the middle of the map) to dodge the flat outer defenses is cheating. Look at maps in other scifi franchises, like Traveller or 40k? It's all flat sheets because getting the typical wargaming to imagine and do wargaming space as being in 3D hurts their brains.

>>96385711
The Lyran secession would also make sense.

Here, it actually is the warmonger Davions sucking up Lyran wealth to defend themselves, instead of the warmonger Davions throwing their lives away to protect Lyran worlds.

>>96385903
Mule?

>>96385903
Mule
Buccaneer
Mule
Buccaneer
Mule

Monarchs are actually fairly rare and only run between large worlds.

>exchange LBX10 with UAC5
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>>96385953
rOtArY?

>>96385942
>>96385946
Mules and Buccaneers it is. One is gonna be filled with dynamite, just in case someone gets careless with their shots.

>>96385963
>One is gonna be filled with dynamite, just in case someone gets careless with their shots.

Say that one of the Mules is a tanker filled with liquid hydrogen, that's more "in-lore" and also explosive.

>>96385612
>Who needs Vegas?

>>96385623
>It grounds to a complete halt as they encounter hundreds of King Crabs, Atlases, and star league era mechs.
Wait a minute, is House Arano the Minnesota tribe?!

>>96385630
>>96385709
>I'd go with yellow,
Seconding Yellow, but Green Tractor...

>>96385903
Danais are also pretty common, especially the closer you get to the periphery since it was the Star League's backhanded "you also get to build dropships, new member states" allowance to them following the Reunification War. Maybe not helpful if you want them to shoot at things, but they're easy enough to militarize that they have a name for it, Trojan. Some Trojans wouldn't want to blow their cover if they could help it, others are openly modified since the Star League isn't around anymore to tell them it's naughty.

>>96385933
In fairness, galaxies organize themselves along planes; and while there can be substantial lateral distance perpendicular to the plane, the majority of orbiting contents is going to be roughly disk shaped.

On a tactical scale, 3D movement around a planet or spaceborne asset becomes important, but on a strategic scale (especially with jump travel) exiting the plane won't be useful beyond a certain distance. If you want to approach a planet from an unexpected approach, you're generally going to end up just burning directly towards it a certain distance before making a hook, otherwise you'd be wasting huge amounts of time in space where you constantly risk discovery and intercept. Basically unless you're exploiting a serious hole in detection based on planetary motion or geography (which will generally be in plane), your map might as well be flat + or - a couple million miles.

>>96386075
The Milky Way's arms are about 3000 lightyears thick. Since the Inner Sphere is 1000 light years across, it's significant.

>>96386085
Should probably be 30 light years thick then.

>>96386014
Danais, Mules, Buccaneers. Roger.
>>96385969
Liquid Hydrogen, ooooh yes. Whats the blast radius on that, 5, 10 hexes all around?

Prepped for the campaign day tomorrow.

>>96386202
Give'm the CLAMPS!!!

>>96386103
>>96386085
So, eyeballing it: If the Inner Sphere is 1000 lyr across and 30 lyr thick, if you were to travel from two theoretically furthest apart planets or stars across that thickness, you would add half a lightyear to the travel distance.

The distance becomes more significant over shorter distances actually, but obviously will never exceed 30 lyrs; and generally these distances are more likely to be traversed by jumpship anyways.

>>96386202
I love that Crab man. What model is it?

>>96385903
if you're out in the periphery or near the border, you'd see some absolute shitbox DROSTs hanging around, too

>>96386243
It’s the CGL model. I love it.

>>96386274
No I mean, which model Crabber is it be? A -20, a -27b, -27, I'm partial to the -45.

>>96386175
>Liquid Hydrogen, ooooh yes. Whats the blast radius on that, 5, 10 hexes all around?

Whatever you feel like. 6500 tons of liquid hydrogen is enough that the size of the explosion would primarily be dictated by the amount of oxygen that can get in, which involves things like temperature, wind, atmospheric pressure, atmospheric oxygen percent, and even gravity.

The TNT equivalence of hydrogen is 28.65(!), so 6500 tons of liquid hydrogen has a theoretical maximum limit of 186 kilotons, which is intermediate in size between the Santa Ana and Peacemaker nuclear weapons. In practice, it'll be much smaller, potentially just a little fireball just a couple hexes in diameter but the point is - you can make it as large as you want.

>>96386322
Oh! This campaign has us start out in introtech mechs so it’s a 20

>>96386325
>Good job guys, you scared the captain of this Mule into revealing he's carrying 3,000 tons of Liquid Hydrogen. If you hit it, it'll blow up this entire map.
>Don't. Hit. It.
>>96386337
>Introtech -20.
Very nice. Old reliable.

>>96385630
Jade and ivory for maximum Capellan-ness.

In what ways liquid hydrogen is used in BT?

>>96386367
Mostly as spacecraft fuel.

>>96386442
Those are some great camos man, kudos.

>>96386362
how do you get such a clean line on those? Just brush control? do you mask at all?

>>96386500
I just YOLO that bitch. Any part of the edge that swerves gets tightened up with the other color of paint.

>>96385651
>>96385669
I mean, the galaxy is pretty flat (relatively speaking)
not too much of a stretch to just neglect the Z axis for the sake of simplicity.
one problem that I'm not sure is addressed. for every inhabited star, there are probably hundreds of uninhabited systems that consist of a star and a few barren rocks. I imagine you could chain together jumps between these uninhabited stars to bypass monitoring at the jump points in inhabited systems. How do you maintain border security if you have to monitor jump points at hundreds or thousands of these uninhabited systems?
I imagine the biggest obstacle to deep "backdoor" attacks is that you have to maintain a long supply chain with no worlds to stop to rest or resupply. Does border security just consist of maintaining garrisons at all the worlds up to the point where maintaining a supply chain becomes impossible? Still, I would think that a very deep backdoor attack would have some strategic value if you are able to achieve an objective quickly and run away, or follow up with a breakthrough to link up with the backdoor attackers. I suppose its like how paratroopers are used maybe.
Thanks for reading what turned into a rambling blogpost.

>>96386558
one other thing about using uninhabited systems is that a *lot* of Jumpships are kicked-to-shit brokedick messes, and you *really* don't want to have a breakdown in an uninhabited system.
but that kind of deep raiding DOES occasionally happen, but it's rare enough to be notable when it happens

>>96386558
>How do you maintain border security if you have to monitor jump points at hundreds or thousands of these uninhabited systems?
I'd assume by garrison those worlds and watching their Jump Points.
Realistically the Great Houses would need constant Jump Ship traffic to effectively enforce their boarders; If you don't have at least one Jump Ship visiting a system each week on schedule, it'd be effectively autonomous.

>>96386445
thanks anon.

>>96386500
nat, but you paint the stripe, then you touch up the other side :3

locust is an unbelievably cute mech.

hellspawn also adorable.

>>96386696
Falconer is severely underrated.

>>96386558
Borders are very porous, yes. There have been quite a few famous deep raids, and that's the main reason the first two succession wars were so devastating. Aside from the fact that the star league had been deliberately forcing everyone to put all their most important factories within one jump of a direct rivals worlds, you don't actually need to jump to a star system at all. You can jump to any point within 30 light years that isn't in a significant gravity well. "Jump points" are simply the most convenient places to jump to. You can go out into the deep black if you want to. Of course, if anything goes wrong your distress signal will be up to 30 years away from potentially reaching anyone. Dead and uninhabited worlds are a little safer since other traffic may pass through once in a while. But there's a much higher chance of that traffic being pirates, smugglers, or potentially hostile militaries.

>>96386715
yeh. it's cool. 5/8/5 is nice and gives it an identity in the IS heavy category with its two big arm guns, shame it doesn't have more variants.

thinking of adding a Marauder or a Marauder II to fill out this company but I'm kinda unsure. Maybe want another light/med mech?

>>96386715
derp, forgot pic.

yeh. it's cool. 5/8/5 is nice and gives it an identity in the IS heavy category with its two big arm guns, shame it doesn't have more variants.

thinking of adding a Marauder or a Marauder II to fill out this company but I'm kinda unsure. Maybe want another light/med mech?

>>96386791
Aesthetically, I think a chickenwalker medium or light would be nice. Maybe a Bushwacker or Raven?

>>96385182
>What would a fight betwixt the cows and clans look like?
In short - Badly

In long - I'd argue that the Taurian would be able to put up a fairly stiff resistance against the Clan invaders despite not even having the benefit of reintroduced lostech like the Inner Sphere powers. Protector Thomas Calderon nearly bankrupted the Taurian state to build up the military in preparation for an eventual Federated Suns invasion. At best, decades of military buildup and a willingness to throw nukes around could grind down the clans in a kind of scorched earth campaign.

On the other hand, a lot of the Draconis Combine and Federated Commonwealth's early victories could be attributed to their commanders learning how to exploit the Clan trial and batchall system. The invading Clans might not even bother with the batchall nonsense because the Taurians were arguably the 2nd most responsible group for the collapse of the Star League after Stefen Amaris and the Rim Worlds Republic. I can see any Clan commanders sent to conquer Taurian space declaring that all enemy combatants are automatically dezgra and deserve no honor or mercy.

In a best case scenario, the Taurians can drag down a few galaxies with smart use of suicide attacks and WMDs at least until the warships start bombarding from orbit. If the Taurians want to survive, they will have to make an appeal to one of the Inner Sphere states, although none of their options are particularly great: the Capellan were fighting to stay alive even before the invasion, the Free World League were still recovering from their last civil war, and asking the Federated Commonwealth for help require swallowing a bitter pill the size of a bowling ball.

In the worst case, the Taurian defenders crumble because the Clans go all out from the beginning and Thomas decides NOW is the time to start a war with House Davion because OF COURSE the strange people with super advanced mechs are part of a Davion plot.

Clanners wearing their ceremonial uniforms.

>>96386824
>and asking the Federated Commonwealth for help require swallowing a bitter pill the size of a bowling ball.
on the other hand the literal return of the SLDF is one of the very, very few things that could actually get them to do that. I could see hanse being smart and having lyrans handle every aspect of that negotiation, though

>>96386870
>I could see hanse being smart and having lyrans handle every aspect of that negotiation, though
I could see that
>no, we're not making a deal with the federated *suns*, we're making a deal with the federated COMMONWEALTH
>totally different thing
>nice, upstanding lyrans, see?

96383472
>apologies, am EXCEPTIONALLY drunk

So the ASF took ground fire went out of control, and it's "crash hex" was overlapping a shut-down Overlord DropShip. Specifically, the ASF reached an Altitude of 0 in the CENTRAL hex of a DropShip. Crashing ASF rules are found on TW page 81-82.

"All units in hexes affected by a
crash have a chance to avoid damage. The controlling player of the crashing unit rolls 1D6 for each unit in the affected hexes. Noninfantry units take no damage on a result of 1–2."

So, the ASF is crashing into a grounded, immobile DropShip. Into the CENTER HEX of that unit. Explain why the DropShip should get a "saving throw" on a 1-2 if the unit takes up the ENTIRE hex and is totally immobile. All instances of "DropShip" in the "crashing aero units" rules only handle what happens when a DropShip is CRASHING. Not what happens when a grounded DropShip is CRASHED INTO by an out of control aerospace unit.

>>96386929
>Explain why the DropShip should get a "saving throw" on a 1-2
Because that's what the rule says?

>>96386824
one thing I would say would work in the taurian's favour is that the big thing thomas calderon spent all his money and resources on was hoxha/nork-tier bunkerization and fortifying of *absolutely fucking everything*, which I reckon would give the clans a lot of trouble since digging enemies out of fortified positions is not a thing they ever really did on the homeworlds and it is an extremely expensive skill to learn casualty-wise

>>96386944
The assumption is that you're crashing into a mobile unit. Infantry get a save, and vehicle and mechs get a save. NEA is essentially correct to raise the question, because a grounded immobile dropship is a terrain feature, not a unit that can take last second evasive movement. The rules are not a straightjacket, and this is probably a clear case of errata being necessary.

Earlier in the page, a building just takes the damage from a crashing aero unit. There's not a "saving throw" as NEA puts it. Is a dropship a building or a unit, given that it's totally immobile and incapable of any movement? That's a fair question, to which I don't have an answer. NEA, send the question to Xotl and see what he says

>>96386990
It doesn't matter whether it makes sense. You have to follow the rules. That's why the rules are there. The rules say all units, so all units get a chance to avoid damage. There is no place for interpretation in the rules. Do what they tell you and they are always right.

>>96387058
you can't just use opinions taken from a GW store as bait

>>96384645
>non-canon story
>from official TRO
Anon, what are you smoking?

>>96386845
Do you think I could hold the whip, or is Loviatar strictly femdom?

>>96386977
It will take very little before they start orbitally bombarding everything.

Even at their worst, the Dracs and FedCom just sort of lied about numbers. On the few occasions they went full guerilla, they were hunted down like dogs.

The power of japanese Shad compels you.

I remember seeing an anon's idea here years ago pairing an invasion from the south with rotating the periphery states 180 so that the canopians were hanging off the lyrans and the bandit kingdoms were out where the TC and MoC are in canon, always thought that was a neat idea
>pic marginally related

>>96386824
>>96386913
>>96386977

Actually, this makes a lot of sense insofar as the invasion corridor of the Smoke Jags (Fire Mandrils/Ice Hellions/Blood Spirits) because the !notJags would be incredibly, screamingly frustrated at the 'unclanlike' resistance each world puts up. The Taurians didn't turn each world into a garrison planet, but they did fortify the shit out of them as best they could. They wouldn't give a fuck about Clanner rules, just like they told everyone else to fuck off. So I could absolutely see one of the more impatient clanners having a melty and ordering the orbital bombardment of a world because they're so sick of the brutal, grinding fights that there is no honor in and the defenders absolutely do not give a fuck so long as they murder some of the attackers. Sure, the clanners are -winning- but the !notJag invasion corridor is at a snails pace compared to everyone else. Which then sets up that clan for being brutalized by the reformed Star League and paves the way for the Taurians to be marginally more accepting in the future. 'Sure, its them star league fuckos but... they actually helped us kick out the clan. Huh.'

I dunno. I feel like it plays up to strengths of the Taurians (They're losing, but attrition warfare the clan like crazy) and gives them a chance to grow as a faction outside the (fun) mould they got cast into.

Just finished watching Sven's latest video
I love these autism dumps, I hope he does everything

>>96387591
BNC-3S is such a monster for its era, but the 3E is a favorite of mine as a GM.

>>96386824
I think emplaced fortifications are actually a major weakness for the Taurians, after all it’s difficult to build a fortification big enough to fit a mech into, and emplaced turrets are pretty weak.

>>96387591
>>96387654
Let's see your 4/6 Banshee variants. I replaced the AC/5 with a large laser and SRM-6 and removed a half ton of armor to upgrade the small laser to a medium. This gives it two hole punchers as it closes in to melee range, then you drop the PPC and throw two fists to have three hole punchers for the SRM6 to exploit.

>>96387694
I tend to just go full fat ostsol with twin LLs, MLs and all torso-mounted to not interfere with it always being fists o'clock

>>96387178
Thing is the Bulls are one of the very few factions that are honestly willing to use nukes from the get go, and you can attach nukes to ASF hardpoints, hell even conventional fighters. Not to mention shooting them out of conventional artillery tubes or even carried by infantry. So it's not like clan Warships couldn't be threatened in a meaningful, especially since the Clans don't have anywhere near the fleet sizes the SLDF did while nukes are 20th century tech the TC can churn out.
So I don't know, it doesn't seem like you can count the Bulls out from the get go, it really depends on how early in they're willing to go crazy.

>>96387654
...for me to POOP ON!

>>96387694
If we're doing introtech and basing it off the 3E:
>Drop 1 heatsink(15 total)
>Up armor to 17.5 tons
>Upgrade SL to ML
>2 LLs split between the side torsos
>SRM-6 in the CT with a ton of ammo
Not optimized and it'll run hot as hell if you're not managing your heat, but it's got plenty of hole punching power between its lasers and fists to let that SRM do it's magic.
I'd throw in CASE but that feels against the spirit of doing an introtech Banshee variant.

>>96387694
I have a goofy-ass jihad refit themed around
>what if they *had* to keep the 380 SFE
it goes to TSM, 15 tons of HFF, 10 DHS, a HPPC, a SNPPC, 4 regular MLs and an ERML, and 3 SLs
it is a mean, mean motherfucker

>>96387654
People shit on the 3E only because they have never really seen how it plays out. The weapons loadout looks pretty anemic on paper but honestly not a lot of Introtech mechs are going to do much better than 15 points of direct fire damage and no heat buildup at those ranges. It is in a sweet spot where anything that can out run it is going to be scared of taking a PPC hit and anything else is going to get stuck brawling with a 95 tonner carrying 15 tons worth of armor.

The 3E actually kind of gets "better" in a way if you take it into later stuff too. If you throw a crazy 3/2 pilot in the cockpit you end up with a monster that way exceeds its theoretical BV cost.

>>96387790
Eh, nukes aren’t all that useful against warships or mechs desu, they’re more of a civilian terror weapon

Is it pronounced sen-turion or ken-turion?

Set up a Sarna.net account because I wanted to edit in something I found while I'm currently going over Warrior: En Garde.

While that novel mentioned the Battle of Spica as it was where Justin Allard saved the man who presided over his trial when accused of being a Capellan double agent (Sheridan Courtney), it was mentioned the CCAF unit they fought was the Blackwind Lancers.

I already spoiled myself of a good chunk of what goes on in the Warrior Trilogy, so now, I know how the Battle of Spice really went for Justin. Cutting to the chase, if Candace Liao was at the battle, would that mean the Blackwind Lancers was her unit there? If so, is that good enough to put into Sarna.net (provided I cite it)?

>>96384945
I've been working on something for my group related to this. We all, for the most part, know the setting inside and out and decided for our next Mechwarrior campaigns are going to go full "alt-history" just so we can switch things up and not have foregone "canon" conclusions to things. We're going to start in the Star League era and work our way up.

>>96388072
>Eh, nukes aren’t all that useful against warships or mechs desu, they’re more of a civilian terror weapon

>>96388430
tbf battletech can model a nukes impact on the board with plenty of room for surviving versus most games having "okay well I guess the game is over and everyone is dead" as the closest they can get.

>>96388467
The tin cans were designed to survive the most hostile environments. A nuke explosion is several of those happening at once.

>>96388072
I think the bigger issue is that the Taurian aerospace wing was by far their weakest military branch for most of the 31st century. Nukes can be effective at scraping past the armor of warships but if you don't have an effective delivery system all you are sitting on is a stockpile of dirty bombs

>>96388149
cen-.
Latin-descended languages have no hard C when the letter C precedes E and I, so I doubt Latin had it (at least for Portuguese, we use the letter K for that kind of sound)

>>96389433
woops
sen-

>>96387692
Depends where they're emplaced. One of the last places the clans conquered in the coreward periphery was Star's End, because the pirates that lived in its asteroid belt had fortified it so strongly that it almost counted as an SDS. Now, Taurians would still lose worlds, but asteroid belt based raiders are a proven thorn in everyone's sides. If they had them in as many systems as possible, the clans would lose a lot while rooting them out, and if they ignore them then they'll be facing behind the line raids constantly.

>>96389433
>Latin-descended languages have no hard C when the letter C precedes E and I, so I doubt Latin had it
precisely the opposite, Latin actually has no soft C whatsoever, in fact it lacks the letter K entirely; you have a hard C or a S and that is it

>>96389433
in fact, Immurrabo et pendictibo ego vos

>>96388149
>FedRat education system

>>96389630
But enough talking about Capellan Education

>>96389663
>Capellan Education

>>96389566
hmm curious

>>96389590
pls don't

>>96388149
chen- as the holy church intended

>>96389630
...what kind of mech is that?

>>96389719
a davion one.

>>96389719
Jagermech by the looks of it.

>>96389719
>>96389803
the coolest a JagerMech will ever look

While checking on mechwarrior 2 mercs, i discovered that the Caudron Born in that game comes with torso twist as the MW4 and later versions even on tabletop

>>96389630
What kind of mech is that?

>>96388533
Yeah, even a modern tank can survive a nuke so long as it’s not at the very epicenter of it, and mechs are several hundred times more durable.

I got to play some Battletech today. It was fun.
The one guy wanted to try out some quad mechs, so he got to. He doesn't seem too enthralled with them. The 3 unpainted metal minis are proxies for a Stalker, a Mauler, and a Vindicator. I had a Banshee and Cyclops on hand that were able to stand in for the other proxies. This was a very heavy tonnage battle that much like most games, did not have a conclusive finish, but I think the Quad side was winning when we stopped.

Finding the SLDF cache is common for /mydudes/ fluff, but how rare is it (both the caches themselves and someone finding) in actual setting?

>>96390845
Pretty common. One of the duties of the Comstar Cartographic Corps was to map them all out for use.

They don't start to run dry until the late Dark Age, when the Blessed Order are scraping the bottom of the barrel to get their machines. Even then, there's still some stuff out in the deep, but most treasures have been found.

>Rim Worlds Republic
wut?

>>96390912
Yeah, the Lyrans picked up all the good RWR worlds after the war. Only a few remained independent out in the periphery screaming about the War of Star League Aggression.

>>96390912
So there's two ways to take that, either that dude is 350+ years old and still piloting, or when they say "crumbling Rim Worlds Republic", they mean he's from one of those straggling independent worlds, and apparently they think the republic is still a thing even though it effectively stopped existing way back in the 2700s when the Lyrans annexed the majority of it following the Amaris coup.
Ironically that would make them star league loyalists, since the Lyrans only stopped annexing things when Kerensky told them that the republic was still a member state despite everything that happened. They'd still be carrying that idea with them through 30XX.

>>96390912
is this the product of some overgrown autocorrect?

>>96390845
There are a lot of them, but they're not always good enough to found a mercenary company out of. You might find a cache that's floor to ceiling with oddball fusion engines. You might find one with 12,000 tons of rations that expired 400 years ago. You might find one with enough spare parts to build yourself 20 primitive Merkava Mk IIIs. You might find a dozen pristine Bombardiers with zero of the only advanced missiles they're capable of using. You could find anything, but a lot of it isn't great.

>The Quickdraw QKD-A was originally built in 2779
>Packing excellent firepower, solid armor protection and above-average speed, it quickly earned the respect of many MechWarriors and status as a workhorse in every military
doubt.jpg

>>96390997
IIRC there was a story about someone fighting against the Clanners for the SLDF cache but it turned out the cache was full of office supplies or something

>>96390997
>You might find a cache that's floor to ceiling with oddball fusion engines.
The Savannah Master story for this will always be one of my favorite cache finds.

>Look at all of these old SLDF fusion engines we found. What should we do with them?
>GOTTA GO FAST!

>>96391050
To think if the setting had gone towards fascism instead of feudalism they’d probably have invented Hammer’s Slammers with their hovercraft…

Picked up the campaign game after a month long hiatus, we spent too much time talking with each other/other people to get much done. My opponent attempted to park his marauder and Warhammer in a pool of depth 1 water which was great for their heat sinking but less great when they fell over 3 times. (He failed 6 of 8 PSRs today).

>>96391583
Guess the only mech I'll park inside the spess magic death acid is going to be the Goliath then

There should've been an era of an Inner Sphere counterattack on the Clan homeworlds after FedCom died

>>96391904
He passed every breach check, so it actually ended up being rather inconvenient for me when the mech I was flanking ended up hiding underneath the water several times.

Call me a casual but my 3 fav. mechs are the mackie, the raven and the orion.

>>96391011
Why do you doubt that?

Picked this up secondhand a while back. Let's see what's actually in it.

>>96392225
Looks like we've got maps numbered 1-4, which I imagine is all of them.

>>96392235
There's a collection of token sheets, which I think are complete and no tokens are missing.

>>96392245
Also two issues of some Aliens comic and there was a single page of some fantasy TTRPG character sheet.

Do yall want me to scan the token sheets?

>>96391954
With what navy? The clans had hundreds of warships at the time and were still building more, the great houses had just reacquired the barest warship production like only a decade prior.

>>96392254
Yes

>>96392254
Only parts 1 of 4 and 4 of 4. That's rough buddy. I bought this comic when I was a kid because of how cool the cover was. Then I got it home, opened it up, and the artwork inside was nothing like the cover. I was so disappointed. That was the day I learned that comics can have different art styles for their cover from their actual comic.

thoughts on the proliferation cycle pack? I kinda want plastics for the grandfathers.

>>96392416
I can't say I care about comics or the Aliens franchise enough for it to bother me. I'll probably just offer them for free on a local group or whatever

>>96392528
Drive them as Regulans from the Jihad into the ilClan and scream "WAR TO THE KNIFE!"

>>96392381
I'll see about getting them scanned tomorrow. Is there a decent quality upload of the rulebook anywhere or should I look into scanning that too?

>>96392564
Imagine the bloodbath.

I was given two Kintaros recently. What should I do with them? I know the fedsuns used the Succwar downgrade, so that's one.

>>96392686
It's made on Terra, so add the other one to whichever Terra-controlling faction you have (SLDF, Comguards, Blakists, Republic, etc)

>>96392695
I only have forces for the great houses.

>>96392713
Time to add a middle boy faction then.

>>96392686
The Dracs liked 'em. But as SLDF Mechs, everyone has access.

>>96392686
Thought it was given to the Combine for a secret deal or something

>>96392096
>-A
>excellent firepower
>solid armor protection
not sure about the 'respectable workhorse' part either

>>96392528
>Mackie
Numero Uno, pretty much only the Regulans use them from Jihad up through Ilclan (although it does get listed as extinct, they probably still have a bunch and just don't "deploy" them as part of the FWLM).
>Firebee
The primitive one is spread around quite a bit in the Jihad and continues to be built by the Brotherhood of Randis for some reason, but there's also an advanced model that gets spread around the Capellan side that's pretty good.
>Icarus II
Comes back for some weird niche applications. The 2S is okay, the Republic models are TSEMP carriers which is just silly
>Gladiator
StarCorps makes some really good ones using mixtech, including a pretty unique hybrid with industrial utility for the Shark Foxes.

>>96392769
Sounds more like a yay than a nay from you

>>96392571
Speaking of scans: WHERE did those 'Mech Magazines go? I can only think of two places to look for them, and I come up empty.

Reminder that BattleTech has dragon riders and they're actually pretty good, if a little niche.

>>96393228
wasn't thr bt dragon one planet exclusive because of immune system problem or something?

Which Capellan sub-faction is likely to be the MOST nuke-happy? I'm trying to decide what colors to paint my A-IV Urbie and Catapult. Thinking of doing a Fire Lance with an Archer CO and Energy Locust spotter.

>>96393476
Whichever one inherited the madness of the Sarna Supremacy. Those guys were bad enough that the other would-be Cappies asked for outside help to defeat them.

>>96393476
Thuggee? IIRC fucking Sun Tzu warned his enemy when they pulled some WMD against them

>>96391050
>GET READY FOR THA
>NIGHT OF FIRE

>>96393407
Well, sarna says they ironed out some of the immune problems by 3067, though their life expectancy wasn't very good off world. That doesn't really matter though cause the WoBBles meteored Lopez in 3080 making the entire planet a graveyard.

In 3099 the winner of the Solaris games that year dedicated their win to supporting the BranthKeepers, an organization devoted to conserving them, so apparently they're still around if terribly endangered.

Purely speculation on my part, but I figure by current Ilkhan era date and time you can find small populations on planets like Lopez where they've been resettled, but there's no point in shipping them anywhere they're not a breeding population. If there's Branth where you're at, you can train and ride Branth into combat, if there isn't, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

>>96393407
>>96393604
You're looking at it the wrong way. The important part is that it's there and now you're free to come up with others on other planets. They're a "notable unit", not the only unit, under a generic listing.

are there any characters in the books that aren't Davion sized manlets?

>>96393879
Lincoln Osis was pretty big, tho IIRC only his weight was given not height

>>96390262
Urbanmech in battle armor.

>>96393010
As far as I can tell, Snord hasn't added them yet. He has them, though.

>>96393407
>>96393604

They saved them and got them to live on Andurien when Lopez got space-rocked. Humphreys notably liked to use one as his mount when he went on safari in the Dark Age.

I'm thinking about printing the Urbanburger out, and fluff it that there's an actual top half of the Urbie on the building and the burger is cooked with its fusion engine. And I kind of want to make scenario about the players helping out the business, from hunting the meat for the patties (megasaurs?) to repeling the theives trying to steal the urbie patty secret formula. Any other ideas you guys can think of?

>>96393879

There was that Evantha chick who helped train Phelan.

>>96393955
Needing to drive off protesting hippies upset about hunting said megafauna for the meat, it could be a separate lance is paid to protect the hippies of just a bunch of infantry units to counts as
>like meat is murder man
Go smash the competition of the urbieburger, they're getting big enough that a new guy on the block could threaten their long term ability to franchise, and they'll pay you handsomely if you raid another city and go destroy their corporate offices. I'd have a Lance of the city defense forces there to stop them, tanks, urbies, infantry, maybe 1 or 2 medium mechs. But definitely give the vibe of punching down here
>our business is being stifled by competitors, they've been using such underhanded tactics as buying out the our suppliers, we really can't afford to have that happen long term, can you make them stop somehow?
And then you go full merc mode, with a bonus objective and reward for capturing their secret recipe
>wait you killed them all? Wait why? How could you guys do that???

>>96393955
Pirates have stolen the shipping container with all the children's meal toys, you need to get it back before the fully grown adult collectors start rioting.

>>96393944
I blame Marik for this.

>>96391131
No alien hookers though.

>>96393955
Pic reminds me, were there Kerenskies around the Inner Sphere before the Clan Invasion? Like, descendants of Alex K's relatives or something

>>96394156
I don't think there are any known. There are a surprising amount of Cameron relatives though, but they're all from cadet branches that swore off any claim to the throne so nobody cares.

>slow but reliable and cheap defensive unit that can ambush enemies above it's weight class
>became the "I'm the baby gotta love me" of BattleTech where it's only recognized for meme faggotry instead

>>96394179
The urbanmech isn't even a practical mech, it was always a joke.
It's taking the suicidal mobility and job description of an SRM carrier or demolisher but instead of a cheap vee they put it into the body of a bad mech that still requires a special person to become a trained and unusually valuable pilot(not everyone is compatible with neurohelmets) and the advanced and expensive manufacturing processes required to produce battlemechs.
It's like making a modern jet aircraft with all the advanced, expensive bits and giving it a trained pilot only to intentionally use it as a manned suicide missile by design and doctrine.

>>96394179
Guess it's because pretty much nobody plays urban map and/or double blind

>>96394231
>Guess it's because pretty much nobody plays urban map and/or double blind
With double blind specifically it's because effectively needing two rooms and identical terrain setups to play one game is absurd
No argument can be found for people not wanting urban warfare though

>>96394231
>>96394331
>>96394221
It's a last-ditch defensive/Milita-mech vs bug lance pirates and people who bring shitty meds.

[Fortunate Son intensifies]

>>96394615
>It's a last-ditch defensive/Milita-mech vs bug lance pirates and people who bring shitty meds
That's what cheap tanks are for, maybe a retrotech design or militarized industrialmech. It doesn't really make sense as a standard purpose-built battlemech.

Given that the Catapult has 15 heat sinks, yet it doesn't just have two LRM-15 launchers, I must ask: how many heat sinks do you really need in a mech because are 15 heat sinks enough for a Catapult because not only does it have the LRMs but also the 4 medium lasers and the jump jets on its torso?

>>96394738
If you're shooting LRMs at something you probably aren't shooting medium lasers at something and vice versa. And jumping can be beneficial for mechs running hot since jumping movement doesn't get affected by heat.

>>96394738
T. Man who jumps catapult 6 hexes away and fires everything.

>>96394845

But where would the Catapult's heak sinks be then? I mean, there isn't one heat sink to one LRM slot, right? I mean, the conventional LRM carrier vehicle doesn't have heat sinks so in the case of the Catapult, are there heat sinks needed for the LRM racks?

>>96394959
Yes, LRMs generate heat. A decent amount, actually; those LRM-15s are 5 each, which isn’t nothing in 3025.

ConVees don't track heat the same as Mechs, and don't need heat sinks for ballistic and missile weapons.

>>96395025

>Yes, LRMs generate heat. A decent amount, actually; those LRM-15s are 5 each, which isn’t nothing in 3025.

Then where does the heat in a Catapult disspeled from when it uses any of its medium lasers or its jump jets?

>ConVees don't track heat the same as Mechs, and don't need heat sinks for ballistic and missile weapons.

I heard that the things that kept those LRM racks connected to a Catapult are actuators also used for other mechs to have arms but in the case of the Catapult, why bother with actuators to connect the LRM racks to the torso? See here with the Heavy LRM carrier: why not attach an LRM rack on one side of a Catapult's torso like how the racks are attached on the sides of the Heavy LRM carrier's "turret" (for lack of a better term)?

>>96395091
Attaching them to the arm actuators allows the LRM launchers to be aimed vertically, which is important for getting your angles right and shooting at stuff at different elevations than you. It even lets them flip a full 180 degrees to fire at targets behind you. Won me a game once.

>>96395264

But can't conventional LRM carriers (Heavy LRM carriers too) do that?

>>96395312
Yes. What's your question? Are you asking why I'd use a catapult over an LRM carrier?

>>96395342

Fair. Though I do have to wonder if its possible to make a "walking LRM carrier" mech without needing arm actuators to connect the LRM racks to a torso?

>>96395404
It is. You just move the Catapult's LRM launchers to the torso.

You gain no gameplay benefit except not having to armor the arms (of dubious benefit since there are location specific maxes for armor) and you lose the ability to flip your LRM launchers.

I suggest you actually read the rules.

>>96395404
AND HIS NAME IS YEOMAN CENA!!!

>>96395488
We need to go further.

>>96384945
>keeping the taurians

Fake and gay kill yourself

>>96394221
Cheap mechs > Cheap vees. A vee is only useful in very specific terrain and is very cost inefficient even in that terrain.

>>96394720
Cheap tanks are for planets that don't have any factories capable of producing mechs. Whenever you have the choice between a mech and a tank, the mech is always better, even when your goal is to be cheap and affordable.

>>96396740
what if my goal is to have a tank??

>>96396799
You should get an expensive tank then.

>play with combined arms
>leads to moments that make mech cool
>everyone enjoys the game more

>>96396799
Then talk things out with your opponent so that you’re both bringing tanks so that you’re not at a disadvantage.

What if I take twenty insulated medium lasers and power down them by 1 point, so I can deal 80 damage for 20 heat?
Delightfully devilish, Sneede.

>>96395091
>Then where does the heat in a Catapult disspeled from when it uses any of its medium lasers or its jump jets?
It doesn't? The mech builds up heat until it stops firing and then heat sinks allow it to cool down.

>>96397000
This. The real purpose of other vehicles in the game is to die easily to mechs so that the mechs come out looking even more badass.

>>96391583
I see tanks and imfantry on the field. Did they get easily stomped by enemy mechs?

>>96397468
They served as a useful distraction for a little bit but did die pretty early into the game.

>>96397602
Weird thing to lie about.

>>96397468
The thing about vehicles is that if you're shooting at a vehicle, you're not shooting at the enemy mechs.

>>96397602
>>96397866
Well one of you is a liar and that invalidates all your arguments.

>>96389837
What's that creature there in between the hatchetman and jagermech?

>>96398139
I think it's Hauptmann

>>96397226
Basically my summoner loadout in mechwarrior 3, 2 clan ER large lasers & 2 clan ER med lasers in each arm with a ton of double heatsinks. Kills most mechs in one or two volleys.

>>96398139
>>96398194
Garm

>>96387188
Bless the jap bt community

>>96398209
The Garm and the Duan Gung are weird siblings.

>>96387188
MUH DICK!

>>96396734
A cheap close range ambush vee is about as cost efficient as an urbanmech if your opponent is mechs in close quarters.
>>96396740
If your goal is to be cheap and affordable an "urbanmech but as a tank" is a third the cost.
"Close range suicide machine" does not play into the strengths of mechs.

>>96384765 (OP)
It sucks they killed all the lore to make everything arena combat and its just colleseum reenactments instead of actual wars and stuff now.

>>96398801
>If your goal is to be cheap and affordable an "urbanmech but as a tank" is a third the cost.
But with less than 1/3rd of the effectiveness.

Mom! The guy who farms replies by exaggerating how bad vehicles are is doing it again.

>>96398830
The urbanmech has close to zero effectiveness if conditions aren't literally perfect. The only time an urbanmech does anything is if the following conditions are met
>your opponent is separated by hard cover but within two hexes
>he loses his initiative roll
>he doesn't have his own jump jets
>his arm weapons aren't so heavy that he can still delete you while you're behind him
>you can jump into his rear arc
Basically the only opponents this actually works on are isolated vees as slow or slower than an urbanmech or, I don't know, maybe an unlucky annihilator.
If "shooting the target once or twice with an AC/10 before you are ripped in half" is your goal in combat you should just be using a cheap tank.

>>96398937
And if you’re trying to be using a mech that’s as effective as an Urbanmech, you’ll need something more expensive. It’s like the Awesome vs the Shrek, even in the Shrek’s ideal scenario you still have to pay more to outperform an Awesome.

>>96399022
No, if you want to use "a tank that's as effective as an urbanmech" it can easily be cheaper than an urbanmech, it could even be multiple tanks at once that are still cheaper than a single urbanmech, because the urbanmech is horribly inefficient in basically every way.

>>96399077
I think we're underselling the little trashcan that can. I even like tanks and Vees, but even in a rock bottom budget patrol formation for inner-city defense, I'd want tanks, infantry AND an Urbs.

>>96398937
Or you just sit near an intersection and wait for an enemy to be distracted down one of the sightlines before popping around the corner and shooting at their ass. The AC/20 variant has to wait for things to be right next to it, but the standard model has some range to it. You gonna shoot at the bug up your ass or the urbie down the street?

>>96399101
You are hugely overvaluing jump 2.

>>96399129
If this vehicle is sitting at corners just to only bring an AC/10 to the fight IF the target is distracted I would rather have something that is a fraction of the price or capable of running away.

>>96399181
Depending on how much debris litters the streets the vehicle might not even be capable of reaching that location. Even disregarding the jump jets, a mech can walk in places no vehicle can travel.

>>96399132
I think if you want to organize your tanks in neat little lines down crowded city streets and watch them all blow up in a row when they can't get past each other... which has been doctrine for ambushing tank formations for almost a hundred real-life years... then all the more power to you.

The infantry is going to fuck off into the buildings and the urbs is going to soar over an IKEA (to fall a level into an unreinforced basement, but what the fuck ever) and then the remaining tanks will at least have room to fight.

>>96399206
Then give the tank jump jets or use a better mech than something that can't even outrun an annihilator.

>>96399252
Tank jump jets are only marginally above boondoggle-tier. If you want them, you better find an SLDF cache full of pristine Kangas or a maverick Hell's Horses commander willing to pull some of their weirder shit out of storage.

is this set of basic, generic tanks reasonable

>>96399393
Looks like average Militia stock. I like em.

>>96399393
2/3 is too slow.

UAC having a 50/50 chance not to do double damage feels really lame. Are there any rules to address this?

>>96399490
Have you considered not shooting at a target you're likely to miss?

>>96399538
that's not how the cluster table works.

fuck you, post mechs.

>>96399490
There's a million house rules addressing this. Mainly ranging from simple bonuses to the cluster roll, to allowing two to hit rolls.
Interesting one I saw recently is roll 3 dice, for the to hit roll: one being the "skill" die the other two being the seperate shot dice. Add a shot die to the skill die to get your to hit roll resultt. This way you get two separate but linked to hit rolls.

In the end it all depends on how much you want to slow the game down just to slightly buff ultras.

>>96399622
>fuck you, post mechs
fuck you, post mechs

>>96399626
Personally, I was thinking about rolling to hit for both shots, and the second shot would be with +1 modifier for recoil. But I like 3d6 idea.

I dunno, I think people's morale would also be affected if they see clearly military tanks parked right next to their house or workplace, but the walking trashcan would feel much less imposing and threatening even when it's there for martial duties

>>96399634
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>>96385958
>>96386442
>>96386671
>>96386678
>>96386683
>>96386696
>>96386791

>>96399665
Thin your paints.

>>96399674
thick your cock

>>96399656
Hey, that walking trashcan puts in work!

>>96399674
You've been challenged anon, post mechs or go back to shitting up >>>/aosg/.
Nogames aren't welcome here

>>96399656
You have no idea what you are talking about twice over. In an invasion scenario seeing that the powers that be have devoted tanks to defend your home is good, and the more menacing the tanks look the better.

Second, by the 31st century all mechs are considered extremely imposing. Even the dumbest looking ones have huge compilation videos of them doing well in combat and doing war crimes.

>>96399714
Or what are you going to do?
Go back to fawning over bottom's half naked selfies.

>>96399714
NTA but if you revisit this paint scheme I'd suggest doing another layer coat on the purple, it's looking a little thin in some places.

>>96399694
It usually doesn't.

>>96399749
>I'd suggest doing another layer coat on the purple, it's looking a little thin in some places.
Thanks anon, I'm intending on it soon TM. have a bit to knock out before i can get back to these ones unfortunately

>>96399236
>fall a level into an unreinforced basement
NO ONE EXPECTS THE SECRET BASEMENT!

painted a mech to take a break from my usual Comguard scheme using a random colour pallet swatch, fucking Liao strikes again

Been working mostly on assembling models tonight. Finally received the arms to make the LCT-1M from that megamek match months ago.

>>96399959
Naturally forgot the picture.

>>96399988
That you Coyote?

>>96399538
Way to our yourself as a secondary.

>>96400025
Typo.
I win.

>>96400016
Yeah. A friend of a friend was doing the resin printing and it took way longer than I thought it would take.

What happened to the guy that ran the MegaMek matches? Did he get sick of doing them?

>>96399490
It's actually like a 60% chance you won't doubletap.

>>96400055
Well I'm definitely not into assembling and modifications, so I'm just using a regular Locust for both of them, even though they're not specifically the 1M variants. I'm opting for a half pink, half white design. Roadrunner gets to have an orange left leg while Coyote will get a brown left leg so that they can be told apart. I'm just going to make the weapons silver and then all I have to decide is what color to make the cockpit glass. Thinking black or blue.

>>96400059
He just does them monthly

>>96400184
Did I just totally miss out on the one last month then? Last one I recall was Marik vs. Marik/MoC.

>>96400083
I already have an LCT-1V painted up in my Fedsun colors, so I'll probably just paint this one to match. Blue would probably look good for the cockpit.

>>96400184
Did we do one this month?

>>96400196
>>96400198
Shit I dunno, I dont lurk often enough

>>96400207
Normally we're talking about it a week before and a few days after, so I don't think it'd be possible to miss it. Guy must just be busy IRL, or it was just too much of a hassle.

The Megamek games were an interesting novelty the first time but then they totally took over the thread and drowned everything else out.

>>96400198
When he does them, it's at the end of the month typically. So around now is when he'd start mentioning it if was planning for another one.

>>96400233
I've not been in /btg/ since May. Whats happened?

>>96400251
The guy who has been shitting up /btg/ threw a hissy fit.

>>96400251
Nothing. He's just spiteful and hated how many people participated in and enjoyed the games. People were rolling for mechs and pilots, creating backstories, felt invested in the simulated match, and generally having a good time. Naturally there was 1 anon who threw a shit fit the entire time about it.

Come to think of it there really isn't a 'counter' to mechs, is there? They're kinda like the equivalent of the American Air Force today, maybe they can't do everything, but they can secure their place on the battlefield all by themselves without needing support from infantry or ground vehicles.

>>96400265
Manic? Banshee? That guy who did the iron crosses on his Battlemechs?

>>96400322
It was an anon. Who knows and who cares specifically. They were an asshole and they'll likely go out of their way to be one again at the next simulation. Thankfully you can just ignore him.

>>96400331
Huh. Good to know.

I never did finish drawing the Davion Femboys.

>>96400331
Well reasoned. Only one person could possibly dislike something you liked, and it must be because of a grinch like hatred of joy.

>>96400290
>there really isn't a 'counter' to mechs
>meanwhile, the humble gyro TAC

>>96400290
Grounded Dropships will absolutely shred their BV in mechs outside of extremely specific scenarios.

>>96400402
That guy is an idiot or troll but I wouldn't really call "turning things into an LRM duel" an extremely specific scenario.

I suppose ammo might be a concern on some cheaper stuff like a basic union.

>>96400646
A PPC, 2x LRM-20s, 2x AC/5, and 3x LLs aren't anything to be scoffed at, and the union has enough ammo to fire continuously for 36 turns.

>>96400392
Every other vehicle has worse criticials though. Planes drop out of the sky and smash into the ground when you scratch them and convees get mobility crits

>>96400804
But it's also immobile, and that means it loses out at long range. And if it doesn't have a spotter, the mechs can fire LRMs from behind cover while a Locust or something runs back and forth at max speed, as far away as it can get while maintaining line of sight.

>>96399714
>Nogames aren't welcome here
That's clearly untrue. If that were true, there wouldn't be any posters here at all.

>>96400331
>They were an asshole and they'll likely go out of their way to be one again at the next simulation.
Sounds based. Megamek shit should be on /v/, not here.

>>96400804
A valkyrie with a regular rated pilot at 21 hexes can keep moving and hit the union on 3s (-4 for immobile target, -2 for grounded drop ship) the union can only hit the valkyrie on 10s.

Had a fun moment in a game tonight. Was up against a Grey Primer Legion lance and this Dervish was standing on the edge of this mech bay. My Firestarter (O-B) jumped behind it, planning to pulse laser it in the rear armor.

>>96400855
And the enemy Highlander decided it wanted to try to stomp directly on the Firestarter, going for a DFA. Firestarter pilot panicked and redirected fire at the Highlander, but didn't get enough damage on it to force a PSR, and basically everything else either missed or couldn't shoot it.

>>96400860
As we opened up the BMM to resolve the DFA, the Highlander missed, since it needed a 9 to connect. That was when I spotted this really interesting note in the DFA rules.

>>96400836
>>96400854
Remember that all grounded dropship weapons are pulse weapons by default, and that a valkyrie doesn't have enough ammo to kill a union.

>>96400865
So the Firestarter chooses to dodge into the Dervish's hex. The Highlander falls two levels, lands on its back, and strips open its back armor. The Dervish also falls, apparently lands directly on its already damaged right leg, and snaps it entirely off. Next turn, the No-Dachi that was waiting below puts a single laser into the Dervish and detonates its LRM ammo, so it plummets to the ground and then explodes like a cheesy movie.

One of the sillier physical attack steps I've had. That Firestarter pilot is getting the Dodge SPA. She needs a name, too.

>>96400869
It's more likely to be an Archer or Longbow, which can piggyback off the Valkyrie using it as a spotter once it runs out of ammo.

>>96400290
Well actually there was a discussion earlier about anti-air artillery or an IFV would essentially be the perfect counter to a mech.

However, Battletech's AA convees are way too small and light to do the job, and they haven't invented larger convees that perform that same job.

>>96400908
I remember one guy posting that it would be and then trying to say it's cause it wouldn't have to roll on the cluster chart for some reason.

>>96400908
>>96400930
Thing is Battletech anti-air is all still about mid weight autocannon because that's cooler than just using thunderbolt missiles like we do in real life

>>96400908
Having seen what a Rifleman can do, I'm not convinced that Rifleman-on-wheels is the silver bullet against mechs.

Dumb question, and one I am not sure will get any answers, but has anyone ever crashed a Warship into the map before?

>>96400908
?

>>96400930
Well this is more talking from a realistic POV, in-lore the Mechs have plot armor and the game adds this to the mechanics by adding stuff like the cluster chart

>>96400969
You'll roll on the cluster chart or you wont get any pudding.

>>96400972
The cluster chart is very goofy but it is a part of the core Battletech experience

>>96400885
Unagi; slippery as an eel

>>96400885
pretty sure you did that wrong.

if the attack misses, you choose an adjacent hex, meaning not the hex you were DFAing. The highlander could've landed on the dervish but not on the firestarter.

unless I misunderstood?

>>96401034
I had unagi for dinner.

>>96401046
No, see, the Firestarter chooses any adjacent hex to dodge into when the Highlander lands in its hex. It chose the Dervish's hex in order to shove the dervish off the building

>>96401046
He took advantage of the Domino Effect rule in Total Warfare instead of the simplified multiple tacking in the BMM

>>96401079
This screenshot is from the BMM silly >>96400865

>>96401079
So he's using the wrong rules, since BMM is the current ruleset and TW is the obsolete one. So what is using the wrong rules supposed to prove?

>>96401144
If a Quad-Vee is in Tank-Mode, can a Battlemech step on it?

>>96401167
If that happens, it's one level tall, and kicks hit the normal chart for an attack from that direction instead of only legs

>>96400959
So what’s the next step of your master plan?

>>96400959

Yes, but unless something has changed relatively recently there are no fully modeled rules for it. It's a narrative event.

You could approximate such rules by dealing damage to the WarShip via the normal atmospheric interface interaction (if it loses all of its SI during this step, it breaks up and nothing meaningful impacts the ground), figuring out the remaining tonnage, and applying damage to units within the impacted hexes as per the crashing DropShip rules. Although it would also be easier just to declare that anything in an impacted hex, regardless of mass or CF, is automatically destroyed. A degree of skidding distance would also be recommended; 5+(2d6x4) hexes feels about right. The crashing ships structural integrity, of course, is automatically reduced to zero, as no crashing WarShip has ever survived impact.

Don't forget to make a Stackpole check for the ship's reactor in the final hex impacted. If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing.
>I don't have a relevant image, so have something landing on something, which is at least thematic

>>96400959
No, but I've heard of some horned owl pilot who crashed a colony on Australia

where's the landship in bt?

>>96402379
Somewhere between super heavy vehicles and mobile structure rules.

>>96400854
If the Valk walked 5 hexes the DS is hitting on 8s.
Gunnery 4, +2TMM, +4 long range, -2 for grounded dropship.
>>96400888
The dropship would just shoot the launching mech directly. It's 10 hexes tall, and will have LOS.

>>96402379
The humble Saturn Harvester is there for you.

>>96402758
I guarantee some bandits on a planet bombed to post-apocalyptic state in one of the first two succ wars have strapped some guns into one of those and turned it into a mobile fortress.

>>96400959
Malvina Hazen did.

>>96403706
best girl. peak clanner. 10/10 did nothing wrong.

no notes.

>>96402379
Dreadnought Mk II Land Train: http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5570
Gulltoppr OmniMonitor: http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6607
Mars Assault Vehicle: http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2082/mars-assault-vehicle

>>96400290
Just hit them hard. Vehicles and airplanes can also carry LPLs

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>>96405713
Dunno about you but I've got Bolt Action and Leviathans scheduled and played Battletech last night

>>96405713
Too tired from Fanexpo, myself