Thread 96402360

Wizard Edition

>Resources:
WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwh
WM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgeba
WFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6
Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H

>TOW:
https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/

>Warhammer Chronicles:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip
>Time of Legends:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip
>The End Times:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip

>Alternative Models:
https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL

>Previous Thread:
>>96383032

>Thread Question:
What Lore do you usually go with

>thread dead for hours
Lol ToW died (again) in just a year

How are Tomb Kangz in Old World? Do they still suffer from one hierophant dying screwing over the entire army? Or has that been adjusted

>>96402360 (OP)
>Tfw you accidentally post on the AoS thread.
I need a shower.

>>96402360 (OP)
>TQ
None because I play dwarfs

>>96402395
They still suffer from not being as cool as VC

>>96402422
This.
Splitting VC and TK meant VC got the cool stuff and TK got skeleton archers.

Has anyone here played the ninth age? How did it compare to WHFB or TOW? Mainly heard bad things about it and it's community really.

>>96402376
i figured that might happen, i was around for its first death and they didnt learn any of the old lessons. they're still trying to sell people the same shitty models no one wanted to buy 20 years ago, now competing with ever more impressive modern sculpts. they really should have taken the time and resources to fully update the ranges with new models instead of pressing out the old moulds.

also i'm just gonna say it. for as much as i like rank and flank, its god damn industrial grade new player repellant, which also isnt helped by the fact that most local warhammer fantasy groups look and act like the surly band of greasy outlaws at a card table that glares at the doors of the saloon when they swing open and a newcomer walks into town.

>>96402422
>>96402451
fanggot opinions

the only 2 things kangs are lacking compared to vampire cunts is updated skeletons and better rules

All hail Her Imperial Highness Miao Ying the Storm Dragon, Master of the Storm Winds, Supreme Mistress of Nan-Gau, Ruler of the Northern Provinces, Castellan of the Great Bastion, and Saviour of Marienburg.

>>96402451
>TK got skeleton archers.
and a giant, and a catapult
i mean i have VC myself but those models are dope

>>96402360 (OP)
Tzeentch. TOW is pants, 7th is the way

>>96402534
>they really should have taken the time and resources to fully update the ranges with new models instead of pressing out the old moulds
Thing is that's a pretty big commitment, can't blame gw for first busting out the old shit they already prepared and gauge the interest.

I thought that I should start rebasing my chimeras today. Are they any good in TOW?

>>96402568
We all wish her a nice vacation in westerland.

is the WFB Material hash dead?

>>96402376
TOW was poorly executed. They could just being back 8e units that exist in AOS but refuse to leading to a loss of a lot of army diversity (for example Chaos specific cavalry). I also feel like the game dislikes super elite units for example weakening blood knights individually and demoting chaos chosen to WS5.

>>96402568
>my Cathay models were supposed to arrive today
>delivery guy just didn't show up
>no update
Fucking chinks scammed me

>>96402614
they’re pretty good and decently tanky if you take regen. only really need one of em in your army

>>96402568
How do caledor's spells of dragon taming work? Can high elves, with the proper spells, sing a wild non ulthuani dragon into submission?

>>96402568
I kneel.

>>96402568
>Saviour of Marienburg

>>96402568
dont really care for her. Such a nothing character.

>>96402534
>>96402738
It's doing so well that they moved it from specialist game to one of the big four. Try harder, cmon now

So looks like we are getting the other 3 wizards then.

>>96402534
>most local warhammer fantasy groups look and act like the surly band of greasy outlaws at a card table that glares at the doors of the saloon when they swing open and a newcomer walks into town
Perhaps a bit of generalising going on here. My local group has written an introduction to old world post for the club members (and anyone browsing the club page) who haven't seen the game before, one of the members has run a 500 point warbands-style intro day, another local group a couple of towns over is running a 1000 point intro tournament weekender soon. I can't speak for all groups but I can say I'm yet to find a single one that acts like your 'most groups' description.

>its god damn industrial grade new player repellant
Good imo. Think about the calibre of new player we've seen over the last 5 years in 40k and AoS. If rank and flank causes the 'modern audience' to pass on by then so be it, nothing of value has been lost etc

>>96402506
I did.

It felt very.... bland? Not lorewise but in terms of rules.
It feels bureaucratic but bland, overly regulated and privy of soul.

It's not a bad game by any stretch, but it's clearly designed for/by and casters to a very specific type of players that enjoy the competitive aspect of the gaming hobby.

But I'll always be impressed by the effort its community put into it. I'm kind of saddened that GW basically steamrolled the whf community that had finally just started its resurgence; of which 9th age was one of the results.

>>96402376
Oh no we are all lazy fucks after hitting bump limit dead totes proof!!

>>96403344
We already have an Empire Elementalist model so it's probably some AoS model probably for CoS

>>96403344
tow already got the wizards, the only one missing is the wood elf wizard but it doesn't have a staff or sickle

>>96403446
We already had a Tomb King BSB (a literal new one) but got one announced a month ago. Doesn't really matter.
>>96403606
I didn't realize this until my friend pointed it out but this model is already released for Wood Elfs, its an old metal one.

>>96403321
>It's a main game so their design decisions are good
Nah, chaos chosen and blood knights should be extremely elite and empire knights should have full plate.

>>96403663
it's similar, because gw had that floaty idea for spellweavers in general, but it's clearly not it
the other new wizard artworks were very specific and the models came out matching those specifications down to the familiar
so it stands to expectation that gw has or will have a wood elf wizard with that exact look, including leaf wings and creepy winged familiar on its own branch.

Post dudes and whatever lore you have for them

The lore for my beastmen
>https://files.catbox.moe/brfcre.pdf

I finished the thunderers!

>>96402360 (OP)
>magic
I cast lead!

WFRP is awesome! I've started DMing for 2 friends, we're having so much fun! I think I'll invest in a Foundry license so that we can play online together.

Love the fact that you can eventually make a character several classes.

>>96403663
>We already had a Tomb King BSB (a literal new one) but got one announced a month ago. Doesn't really matter.

The new tomb kings bsb is a dual kit that lets you build it on foot or mounted. They're not just releasing an alternate bsb sculpt.

>>96403838
Nice work!

>>96403853
And guess who is missing a mounted option as well? Empire wizards. It is, without exaggeration, the exact same situation.

>>96403845
Glad you're enjoying yourself anon
yeah Foundry is probably your best bet for online play

>>96403845
Aww yeah WFRP is a fucking trip and Foundry really makes it so much easier once you get it running. What is your character?

>>96403874
If the empire wizard was getting a new dual kit it wouldn't be a duridic nature wizard, the only reason we got one is because we got a variety of foot wizards. They aren't going to make a variety of dual kits.

Have any of you ever made any significant house rules to change how WHFB plays to suit you and your group?

I find the lack of friction really dull, so I'm considering having a couple games of TOW with command rolls added in - same as morale tests, including proximity to general etc., but to activate instead. If you match your leadership or beat it by 1 you get to make 1 move, if you beat it by 2 you get to make 2 moves, and if you beat it by 3 or more you get to make 3 moves. Charging is included in these moves, rather than being a separate test.

>>96403853
It's a Tomb Prince/Tomb King kit as well

>>96403917
The kit as >>96403936 said is both BSB and Tomb King. Could easily be multiple types of wizard in one box.

>>96403033
>How do caledor's spells of dragon taming work?
The wiki says that TRVE dragonsong works because it contains the true names of the dragons of ulthuan, but only imrik and other dragons know it, and even then it wasn't an automatic process for imrik to have the dragons answer him.
Possibly caledor came to know that true dragonsongs and true names are the basis for how he came to bind dragons, but since the other wizards don't know true dragonsong maybe what they get to use is only an extremely diluted version, that maybe contains some parts of a dragon's equivalent of a surname.


I think there are enough instances of elves trying to tame an old world dragon, or a wyvern, and fail badly, so it certainly wouldn't work against cathayan dragons either.

>>96403874
wizards have multiple mount options, not just a horse, it's not the same situation.

>>96403934

Neat idea, but how do you account for rules that already simulate friction, like impetuous, frenzy or stupidity?

>>96404004
BSB for TK also had another mount option (a much better one), so it really is.

>>96403936
Not a new issue, but: Tomb Kings shouldn't have cavalry. Chariots only.

>>96403845
Based WFRP-enjoyer.

>>96403033
Dunno, but in old editions Dragons were flat out forbidden from attacking Imrik because they loved him so much, even chaos and zombie dragons couldn't. Too bad we didn't get him back, it would have been a hilarious counter to the chink primarchs.

>>96404032
Yeah they really should

>>96404032
>>96404062
They should have cav but it should be shitty light skirmishers who don't do stuff well. Their cav bowmen are fine, their spear men should be more like Chaos Mounted Marauders where they exist to harass the flank rather than close-order chargers.

>>96404062
>>96404078
the egyptians had chariots specifically because they couldn't have cavalry, the horses just weren't big enough at the time.

>>96404062
>>96404078
Tomb Kings are fantasy Bronze Age Egyptians, and *profoundly* conservative. Cavalry didn't exist in Bronze Age Egypt (at all).

Having no cav and only chariots (which should never have functioned like they do in Warhams) would make Tomb Kings more distinct.

>>96404096
>the egyptians had chariots specifically because they couldn't have cavalry, the horses just weren't big enough at the time.
IIRC it was also a technology problem, there were no stirrups so fighting on horseback was a huge bitch.
>>96404097
>Having no cav and only chariots (which should never have functioned like they do in Warhams) would make Tomb Kings more distinct.
Their cav basically never sees use already, so I don't think that is a big deal either way.

>>96404051
What's wrong with that elf?

>>96404096
I don't think the size of horses was the main issue- they could've bred for size easily enough. I think it was a matter of breeding for the right temperament to where a horse would be ok with having another creature on its back in a combat situation (animals tend to not like that sort of thing). Psychological traits tend to be more difficult to select for (especially if there's no precedent for horseback riding to begin with).

There might also be an issue with it being easier to instruct horses to take direction if they're pulling a cart/chariot, rather than from horseback,l but I'm not familiar enough.

>>96404032
Retarded take

>>96403874
They have a griffon option, you'd know that if you weren't nogames

>>96404116
His Yenlui is in a dark alignment and he is getting pleasure from ordering this old man to do manual labour

>>96404105

Stirrups were introduced to Europe in the early middle ages, heavy cavalry fought fine without them for centuries. I think stirrups made horse archery more potent and enabled the couching of the lance under one arm. But yeah, I agree that tomb kings should have pretty shitty cavalry that is mainly for harassing.

>>96403803
I'm at work but I'll dump my Aurith River patrol bits of lore I've made so far based on the three battles I've had.

>>96404052
>Chinks would rather let their owm country be defeated then attack Imrick
Would be worth a chuckle.

>>96404105
>IIRC it was also a technology problem, there were no stirrups so fighting on horseback was a huge bitch.
Stirrups aren't seen until circa 400 AD (among steppe peoples), and take centuries longer to be adopted by many others, even if they'd been exposed to stirrups. The earliest evidence for cavalry (fighting men on horseback, rather than simple horseback riding) goes back to around 900 BC.

>Their cav basically never sees use already, so I don't think that is a big deal either way.
It's a thematic, not gameplay issue.

>>96404125
>a retard emerges, projects
Read the following posts, then acknowledge your ignorance.

>>96402682
Full image where?

did we get rumors for new dwarf slayers? Where are they?

>>96404015
>impetuous and frenzy
could be a few ways of doing it. one is you have to pass the command test in order to do what you want with the unit - if failed, they have to charge if within max charge range, and get the full 3 moves (perhaps more appropriate for frenzy). Maybe distinguish it from impetuous by saying that if they're within max charge range, they still get a free move towards the unit on a failed command roll.

>stupidity
hmm, potentially more difficult to find a solution for. perhaps roll 3D6 and pick the highest 2 results?

>>96404105
>IIRC it was also a technology problem, there were no stirrups so fighting on horseback was a huge bitch.
Stirrups didn't arrive in the west until the Dark Ages, Alexander's companions, Iranian cataphracts, and the famous Parthian horse archers didn't use stirrups. The issue was almost entirely due to smaller, weaker horses.

>>96404184
>The issue was almost entirely due to smaller, weaker horses.

See:
>>96404118
>I don't think the size of horses was the main issue- they could've bred for size easily enough. I think it was a matter of breeding for the right temperament to where a horse would be ok with having another creature on its back in a combat situation (animals tend to not like that sort of thing). Psychological traits tend to be more difficult to select for (especially if there's no precedent for horseback riding to begin with).

>There might also be an issue with it being easier to instruct horses to take direction if they're pulling a cart/chariot, rather than from horseback, l but I'm not familiar enough with the subject.

Thoughts? (not a challenge, actually curious on the topic)

Yes, Bronze Age horses were smaller than in the 1st millennium BC and later, but breeding bigger animals is simple, and people of the time would have known about selective breeding. You can still ride a small horse, it just might not work as well (though Mongolian ponies are surprisingly small).

>>96404217
Wow too bad in the games lore mz a fantasy game lore, nehekara subjected the horse tribes before being undeaded. So shut the fuck up about irrelevant stuff to the setting?

>>96404226
Anon, this is an English language forum.

>>96404166
wow, what a terrific case of gynaecomastia, do the votann feed only S01 products to the squats? is that why they got those beardless howling metallic faces sculpted everywhere?

Heya /wfg/. Putting together a Dwarf army of 1k. How is this?

Thane, Great weapon, General, Rune of Iron, Rune of Preservation - 124
21 Dwarf Warriors, Shields, Standard bearer [Master Rune of Hesitation], Full Command - 249
10 Thunderers, Veteran (champion) [Handgun] - 105
14 Ironbreakers, Ironbeard (champion) [Shield], Full Command - 231
Bolt Thrower - 55
Organ Gun - 120
10 Rangers, Ol' Deadeye (champion) [Crossbow] - 116

Got a mix of ranged and melee while also not destroying my bank account.

>>96403249
and still so much more than any whfb character

>>96404343
It might be worth getting shields on the thunderers and great weapons on the Rangers. Unless in TOW it's changed, thunderers with shields are fantastic in a shootout and decent in melee and Rangers will likely be charged so GW helped them bite back and at least ensure your opponent has to commit to removing them

>>96403989
>The wiki
I went to check whether the wiki matched what the source said and these are the passages from the original text

>>96404412
and this way later on in the novel

it's surprising I finally found the source of the hearsay of dragons being an interstellar species, as well as how close they are to dragon ogres in the way they live a whole other life in their dreams (as well as being similarly pledged to fight and die in the battle at the end of the world, on opposite sides)

>>96402568
What is up with GW artists lazily mirroring images? Like it's quite clear only half of that was drawn, and details added in after.

>>96402568
Uh Oh!
GW, FIX THIS SHIT!

>>96402567
> 2 things kangs are lacking compared to vampire cunts is updated skeletons and better rules

That has been the case for 22 fucking years. It blows my mind that this hasn't changed.

>>96404116
He has 72 ballistic skill.

>>96402376
For TOW to truly be revived, and reach wider appeal, it needs a skirmish mode; it needs Mordheim, but during TOW's timeframe.

>>96404658
If they even bring Mordheim back (or something just like it), then by GW's new policy some of the factions will be missing, whether due to being in AoS ir due to the company not selling certain models.

>>96404658
Could work, Magnus the Pious doesn't level the city until after The Great War Against Chaos

>>96404726
They would probably allow Vampires, since Vampires show up in the Old World RPG, but they would have to be different from AoS Vamps, so no Lahmian, Carsteins, or Strigoi

>>96404726
Tow is the stinky human game so it will be where kislev makes it first mark.
so maybe its ip will be praag, the bears under siege.

>>96404760
>lahmians
>strigoi
kinda already in aos

Beastman refresh confirmed?
Sold-out Online means they aren't restocking these ever, so new plastic versions incoming???

Got my cathay models, damn these halberds and cav are fuckhueg.

>>96404791
were those plastic

>>96404825
No, both metals.

Is there any hope of us getting mortals chaos slaves riding juggernauts and seekers, or is chaos too weak at the TOW timeline for demons to be able to survive outside the chaos wastes?

>>96403915
Warrior Priest. I play alongside my players (Human Engineer and Wood Elf Hunter) so that we are at least 3, hoping for a 4th player soon.

He's fun to play but dumb as a brick lmao. I hope to eventually pivot into a Knight of a Sigmar centric order once we have a lot more experience under our belt.

Do you think we'll finally get a named character model for the Knights of the Blazing Sun? They are recorded as the first Order to support Magnus in the war.

>>96404791
doubt they would sell them for a few months then get rid

probably just means they're out of stock for longer, like maybe the moulds got dropped or something.

>>96404872
Nah, the FAQ on the website explicitly says it means they aren't being sold anymore.
"When you see a product image greyed out with the Sold Out Online banner across it, that means the product won't be coming back into the webstore. The Add to Cart button is removed and the product's availability changes to ‘No longer available online’."

>>96404791
It could be a mistake you can ask GW about it

>>96404879
Perhaps I will... perhaps I will.

>>96404726
If you go by the first rulebook only, the core bands shrink a lot but still include Skaven and Undead. IIRC the Shadow Warriors were discounted from being considered an official warband due to being OP.

>>96404658
Speaking for myself I've never had any interest in a pre-modern warfare (in style) skirmish game. When there's squad tactics, sure 10 guardsmen vs 5 eldar or whatever is fine, but the idea of knights and stuff at the skirmish scale feels boringly low stakes. The guardsmen and eldar can be part of a wider battle while skirmishing for whfb would just be raiding or witch hunters.

>>96404217
>Thoughts?
You're wrong. Even historical art shows much shorter and smaller horses as do contemporary descriptions. A full-sized horse from ancient Egypt was like 4.5-5 feet tall at the shoulder, essentially a modern pony. Even if they could have bred them larger is debateable. If your natural population tends towards a certain size breeding beyond the extremes of that size without inbreeding is difficult especially without causing other health problems, a dog with hip dysplasia will have a shittier life, a horse with hip dysplasia will collapse and cripple the person riding it.

>>96402376
Might have something to do with the dead website too.

>>96402575
But only with 6th books. No balance otherwise.
Unless there's some community revised 7th ed book that were hidden from me.

>>96405104
As I said, I'm aware horses were smaller pre-1,000 BC; this is shown in art and in skeletal evidence. And, Mongolian horses are also small, but can carry riders just fine. We also have archaeological evidence for horseback riding on the steppe a couple millennia earlier, but not in a combat role.

Breeding for size can have complications, but is pretty straightforward, and animal husbandry was an established practice by the 3rd and 2nd millennium. If it wasn't an issue of temperament, then it might have to do with something anatomical- maybe not size, but a feature of skeletal or connective structure. Carrying a rider could have been hazardous to the horse until some minor anatomical trait was produced, which made riding more viable.

If you wanna talk about horses take this to Hh or the aos general

>>96405395
Horses are more WF than they are HH or AoS anon

>>96402360 (OP)
Best Old World mini and best Mini this year.

>>96404367
I can do that actually, exchange both unit champions for Thunderers/rangers for shields on thunderers. Sadly no great weapons for rangers but otherwise all merry.

Is the list decent otherwise?

>>96405450
Dude they made a whole game centered around his heresy.

>>96405541
Then where are the space marine-sized horses?

>>96405450
Could at least use in lore references instead of artistically ranting about shit, they do have a ton of horse lore in WHFB usually based on irl.
>>96405509
Yeah your list seems good all around I think you'll do ok just be aware of ambushers and fast stuff and the like trying to touch your artillery. Also chaos warriors will still push your shit in up close since not a huge amount of GWs

>>96405499
>Used in TOW
The Green Knight
>TOW specifically ie released after January 2024
Miao Ying
>best Mini this year.
Also Miao Ying

>>96405575
Thanks man. Honestly Warriors of Chaos the opponent I expect cav rushes but hope my dorfs weather it. If you meant the unit, they don't hit hard.

Reason I ask is, I am likely going to Stillmaniaing this list. Don't want something OP byt not useless either.

>>96402360 (OP)
>Thread Question:
>What Lore do you usually go with
Well from top to bottom (top being most important, bottom being least) the Lore I usually go is as follows:

-Tabletop Rulebooks (Armybooks, AJ and such).
-White Dwarf articles (& other officially published magazine material).
-Warhammer Community articles.
-TOW website.
-Black Library books.
-WHRPG books.
-Video Games.
-My own fluff.
-Author's opinions. (usually found on Reddit or interviews).

There are some specific cases that might make me change the order of fluff-importance, like disagreeing with the retconing of some locations by TOW material (like the interative map), by this is my usual Lore order of preference.

>>96405748
Lore as in spell lore, anon. Like fire, or Slaanesh, or beasts.
Fire is the coolest lore, by the way. It lets your wizard blast cunts and that's what I appreciate about it.

>>96405587
>>TOW specifically ie released after January 2024
>Miao Ying
>>best Mini this year.
>Also Miao Ying
Anon, she's not even the best Cathayan Mini

>>96405587
Man this is impressively bad taste.
Like you could do this professionally.

>>96404848
Oh yeah that sounds like a flavorful transition.
The career system is so good, helps you roleplay and gives you progression to focus on.

>>96404848
>I play alongside my players
Gross

>>96404848
Are you this guy?
>>96401712

>>96405873
Oh. Then in that case Metal is objectively the coolest.

>>96405067
>skirmishing for whfb would just be raiding or witch hunters.
erhmmm yeah that’s cool as heck chud

>>96403934
>Have any of you ever made any significant house rules to change how WHFB plays to suit you and your group?
Most I've been considering is an army of infamy for Blood Dragons. Gist is
Part 1

>Choose either Brets or Imperials (essentially just the source of knights whether an actual fallen order (eg. the OG Blood Dragons) or just a knight in Bretonnia or the Empire who would end up turning knights from said region)

Characters
>No strigoi or necromancers
>Vampires must take armour (magical or otherwise)
>Vampires may take plate armour (Imperials only)

Special
>May take one unit of blood knights per vampire count equipped with heavy or plate armour (including magical armour specifically classed as heavy or plate armour)
>May not take corpse carts (necromancers) or crypt horrors (why let some ghoul gain a fraction of your power?)

Rare
>May not take Varghulfs or Vargeists (vampires exist to prove martial supremacy through skill, not mindless strength)

Unit specific
>Blood knights and Black knights may use the Bretonnian lance formation (Bretonnians only)
>Blood knights may not take full plate armour (Bretonnians only)
>Black knights may take full plate armour for 5 points per model (Imperials only)

Special rule
All vampire counts and thralls gain the "Martial Supremacy" special rule. They must issue and accept challenges unless a vampire with a higher leadership is involved in the combat (in which case they obviously must accept). Additionally if they kill an opponent's character in a challenge they gain 50 VPs, 100 VPs if it's the enemy general and if they're killed in a challenge the opponent gains 50 VPs, 100 if the slain vampire is the general.

>>96406302
part 2

Magic Items
Flag of Blood Keep (50 points): 4+ ward save against shooting
Bloody Hauberk (45 points): Plate armor that can be worn by a wizard and still cast spells, has a 5+ ward save

Special Characters
Walach Harkon: WS 9, 4 wound, 5 attack vampire lord with wizard level 2 on a nightmare. Has heavy armour and a shield with the "Crimson Blade" and "Blood Chalice" magical items and can cast spells despite wearing armour
>Crimson Blade is an AP -2 magical sword with killing blow, anyone who suffers an unsaved wound has -1 attack for the rest of the game to a minimum of 1
>the Blood Chalice can be used during the controlling player's strategy phase giving one of the following benefits
>>Recover 1 wound
>>Gain +1 attack until your next strategy phase
>>Crimson Blade gains multiple wounds (2) until next strategy phase

5e Walach was powerful, and even toned down I have no idea what to price him at. My best guess is about 410 points (vampire lord with curse of revanent, shield, nightmare, flayed hauberk, sword of kings, and healing potion being kind of vaguely similar if illegal)

As a whole I'm inclined to think it's a huge downgrade in competitiveness but better matches the theme. Going pure vampire focus your vampires are more martially oriented and you have access to a lot more blood knights (four units at 2000 points), and going more generally martial focus you can still take wights and thus have one unit of black knights or grave guard as core and can give black knights and grave guard plate armour or give black knights the lance formation. As for comparatively between the two army options I'd say they're largely equal, Brets get better offense through lance formation and Imperials get better defense through plate armour.

>>96404343
>>96404367
As far as general unit mix/composition is good for 1k, as far as money goes.
Maybe the only thing is the bolt thrower. I liked it in 7th ed, but in TOW I can't find a good use for it. I would drop that in favour of an Engineer (for shooting buffs) or Runesmith (for magic defence), if you know what armies your local opponent have.

For the crunch: drop some warriors to save points, you probably won't need the full third rank bonus. Get some great weapons on them with those points, it makes up for the lack of killing power of ironbreakers.
I generally support adding great weapons and shields to shooting units, like >>96404367 suggested, but at 1k it might be harder to fit.
Master Rune of Hesitation might be overkill at this level, unless you know you are facing heavy cavalry, chariots or similar.

And to scale up to 1500 points you don't need much more. Put the thane on the shield, add bodies to the shooting units, play around with runes.
Personal favourite: Engineer with handgun, Master Rune of Bursting Flame, Rune of Rapid fire (aka the bazooka) is an absolute threat.

Empire Players, how many units wide do you generally run your infantry and missile troops?

>>96402360 (OP)
Building up my High Elves from IoB that I never got around to. How are they doing in TOW? I hear they’re nowhere near as OP as they were in 8th, which was what made me pause on building them till now.

I want to paint my normal empire knights for TOW as mercenaries. Would painting each knight in a different color for the horse barding be retarded? That’s what I’ve been planning on doing so far, I picked out 8 paints for my 8 knights

>>96406416
I've been running 2 blocks of 5xdeep regiments at my center. 2x 10man detatchments on the flanks and one 19 mam archer detachment in front skirmishing with fire and flee. Then knights on the flanks and cannons in the back.
I also usually have greatswords on one side and innercircle on the other flank from the infantry blocks. It seems to be doing ok

>>96406499
They are pretty solid, not too oppressive (sans dragon spam) and the recent changes help them a good deal. The spears are a bit meh and some units are not super strong (sisters I've heard recently are shit) but overall the IoB lost should be a great foundation for TOW.

>>96402360 (OP)
Necromancy,

>>96406774
I thought sisters were good, but I’m building mine as Shadow Warriors anyhow.

How should I wield my old bull centaurs with TOW? They look silly with the big bases.

>>96405067
I get what you're trying to say, but I feel the opposite.
40k tries to trick you into feeling like the stakes are high by adding a much of zeros.
>Save a city of 500,000?
>Lame
>Save a sector of 500,000,000,000,000?
>Omg epic! All my upvotes!

>>96406933
I mean fantasy does the same

>>96402360 (OP)
So i got the tomb King starter box as a gift And I don;t know if I want to make Nehekaran hosremen or skeleton horse archers, or if either has a use.

>>96406342
How did you make those conversions? They look great! Very mid 2000, it's the kind of things you used to see on forums before the rise of reddit and the death of dedicated faction specific spaces.

>>96406933
It's not about the scale itself, I don't care about whether my personal battle is ten random guardsmen fighting eight random orks as opposed to Robute Guilliman and his personal guard fighting Abbadon the Despoiler and his elites, I care about the fact that it's part of a bigger battle. As far as I view it fantasy/medieval skirmish games a glorified gang shootout while in more modern technology style games its more comparable to a squad of Americans in WW2 securing a block occupied by Germans. It isn't individually very important but it feels like it's actually part of a war.

>>96407095
>I view it fantasy/medieval skirmish games a glorified gang shootout
sounds cool to me nyigguh.

>It isn't individually very important but it feels like it's actually part of a war.
i think its cool to have individually important named models that arent like legendary heros; and imo the overarching narrative of skirmish games is of great importance to those involved. not every fight is going to be part of a gigantic historical battle.

>>96407095
That's a eminently solvable narrative problem. Although yes, in fairness grounding the game as some sort of battle between forward elements of larger fantasy/historical armies or factional conflicts in some Tilean city state is much cooler than bumfights over a chicken.

>>96407178
>sounds cool to me nyigguh.
Don't see why I should care.

>>96407095
>while in more modern technology style games its more comparable to a squad of Americans in WW2 securing a block occupied by Germans
I don't understand how a group of goblins securing a block occupied by rat men is meaningfully different.

>>96407197
Even then a skirmish between forward elements involves dozens if not hundreds of soldiers in its own right and generally in some form of cohesive or organized manner. Therein lies the issue with premodern warfare (and fantasy even with its tanks and magic is premodern in style) soldiers fought in semi-rigid formations. Even if you had some forward elements fighting it would be a "block" of men not just ten guys scattered through a village fighting a dozen other guys scattered through a village.

>>96402568
i hailed her at my FLGS last saturday with my preorder. like $125ish usd after tax, which wasnt bad at all. i was expecting a lot more

they said she arrives weekend after next

I've got a little bit of a mystery for you, anons. I'm well aware that the 5th ed chaos knight kit was effectively an upgrade for the plastic chaos warrior kit at the time with metal legs and weapon arms that you would use with plastic bodies, heads, and shield arms. However, was there ever a 5th ed knight kit with a joined metal body and legs, as you can see in picrel? The metal helmet isn't a mystery at all, it's the one found in the metal command kit for the 5th ed warriors, but I can't seem to find any pictures or evidence that there was a version of the knight kit with fused bodies and legs like this. Is this fella a recast? I also have a metal version of one of the helmets the plastic warrior kit had, which is even stranger.

>>96407247
Because that's not how premodern warfare works. Ratmen only fight in a scattered group for the sake of the game, it makes no sense otherwise for a random group of ratmen to be fighting as a scattered group. The battle of Agincourt didn't entail a dozen Englishmen scattered through a village and forest fighting half a dozen scattered French knights until perhaps the battle was decided.

>>96407251
>Even then a skirmish between forward elements involves dozens if not more
Isn't this even more true of modern combat? Ten guys didn't wander off from their unit in Stalingrad to play a game of team deathmatch.

>>96407260
Nevermind, I'm blind. But it's really weird that they had metal versions of plastic bits, isn't it?

>>96407271
They're not fighting as a block of men. In premodern warfare the smallest units were purely organizational, a contubernium or lance didn't split off from their primary unit under any circumstances short of a complete rout. The squad of Americans supporting each other is mostly accurate even if they might be spread too thin depending on the board. A lance or two of men scattered across a city block makes zero sense short of a complete collapse of order within the wider army in which case the men shouldn't be fighting as a unit, they should be sprinting away or sprinting after the men fleeing.

I still would like the tow gofile to update the Cathay and matched play books because scans like that are just well... ...not exactly good...

>>96407345
Who fucking cares? Can't you fags post models or some shit instead of arguing about stalingrad and ww2? Or at least keep it relevant to fantasy?
>Post yours then
Fine here's last pic. I did complete the banner and flutist and am...well failing at the pinstripes I'm attempting on the champion. I'll try and take some pics
Seriously tho can we talk about warhammer in the warhammer general?

>>96407345
Sorta. But you're assuming open warfare was the only type of pre-modern conflict. >>96407358
>Seriously tho can we talk about warhammer in the warhammer general?
That's what we were doing new friend.

>>96407251
>pre-modern scouting parties consisted of hundreds if not thousands of men moving in a semi-coherent formation
I'm going to have to go with a no one that one.

>>96407379
Stalingrad and ww2 unit tactics has fuck all to do, and I've been in these threads for longer than your British ass
Unless that pics stolen valor

>>96407394
>British ass
What? These are (mostly) proud American models.

>>96407209
because im better than you in every aapect and im teaching you how to improve yourself by improving your taste

>>96407423
There was a guy posting the exact shit I swear and really into 6th ed a few threads back
The thought of 2 posters making a stone troll theme list at the same time would be dope but I fear a certain shitposters work was at hand.

>>96407471
It's an old project I stressed before TOW even dropped. Despite the low model count I'm just now "finished".

"New" project is a wood elf tree man army.

>>96402568
Until the Arcane Journal cover, I didn't realize how big of a girl Meow was.
That just makes her even hotter.

>>96407572
Is it just me, or is the perspective in this one extra fucked?

>>96404869
If we follow the old lore, the Knights of the Blazing Sun were the first group to rally to Magnus' cause, so we might have a Chapter or Grand Master, but it's a shot in the dark, Cathay seems to suck in all of GW's creative juices (for what there is)

>>96406170
That's me actually, not the same Anon.

>>96406302
>>96406308
Neat stuff, Anon! A few notes though:
>Might be easier to just turn the Bretonnian/Imperial choice into an upgrade for the general (similar to the elven honours) which gives some buff and also shapes the army
>Is the lance formation worth losing plate armour on everything? I know it's not meant to be a competitively balanced thing, but maybe buff the Bretonnian horses or something
>What can the army take as core troops? Probably put blood knights or some kind of cheap thrall cavalry there
>You don't need to repeat the heavy/plate armour bit in the blood knight entry. Per the earlier restriction, all vampire nobles will have it anyway
>Why the bloody hauberk when it's basically just the flayed hauberk 2.0?
>Does Watch count as an Imperial vampire knight, can he dip into both types, or does taking him make you give up the benefits of a dedicated army?

What empire units did the new grand Cathay army of infamy have access to? Handgunners, free companies, archers, pistoliers and outriders?

>>96408079
see pic rel.
There's a vid all about it, it"s meh to me, even as an Empire player.
https://youtu.be/iOC6jy6SJCI

>>96407086
It was mostly a straightforward kitbash with Imperial Guard bits. Rocket launcher without the front shield, plus a scope from SM tacticals, on a thunderer with hand axe arm.
For the other is the canisters and flamer from IG, but i trimmed the barrels to shorten it, and added a piece of wire for the hose. Right arm with stock from crosbow or handgun, hand on top from shield harm. Old warriors banner trimmed and glued to the tanks.
It was from a time before irondrakes, a time of simple silly conversions.

>>96408143
>foot wizards
>outrider
Looks good to me, as a cathay player

>>96407264
unless you're fighting in a city, then the battle devolves into a million brutal skirmishes once you leave the main roads

>>96407095
Easy: make the gangs hunt for (clues about) a specific treasure/artifact that can tip the scales of a war. They already did that once with the nemesis crown supplement.
Now that I think about it, the whole point of og mordheim was to collect warpstone to empower the patrons of the original warbands.

>>96407872
>Might be easier to just turn the Bretonnian/Imperial choice into an upgrade for the general (similar to the elven honours) which gives some buff and also shapes the army
Good idea

>Is the lance formation worth losing plate armour on everything? I know it's not meant to be a competitively balanced thing, but maybe buff the Bretonnian horses or something
I would have guessed the opposite honestly since there's two banners to make units more survivable against shooting (improve regen and blood keep) amd the lance improves killing power a lot. Combined with more access to blood knights I was thinking the lance was the better option.

>What can the army take as core troops? Probably put blood knights or some kind of cheap thrall cavalry there
I didn't want to go overboard with blood knights. Pretty much just listed changes so they can take all troop choices unchanged.

>You don't need to repeat the heavy/plate armour bit in the blood knight entry. Per the earlier restriction, all vampire nobles will have it anyway
Fair enough

>Why the bloody hauberk when it's basically just the flayed hauberk 2.0?
I based it on the old rules for the Bloody Hauberk (6e I think) in a bit of irony the flayed hauberk rules from the same edition would actually a more unique choice (unimproveable 2+ save).

>Does Watch count as an Imperial vampire knight, can he dip into both types, or does taking him make you give up the benefits of a dedicated army?
Since he was the grandmaster of the Order of the Blood Dragon I'd make him Imperial.

As an aside for some actual unique units I had in mind if you think Bretonnia is weaker
>Hellsteed mount for vampire characters
>Hellsteed Knights (blood knights on hellsteeds)
Just blood knights on hellsteeds as a 0-1 rare choice

>Dismounted Blood Knights
Just blood knights without horses, sword and board, great weapon, or two hand weapons. Probably treated exactly as blood knights for units so 0-1 mounted or dismounted knights per 1k points.

Bro, My Little Pony was real in Warhammer.

>>96405572
>Then where are the space marine-sized horses?
Cathay has them obviously

>>96407279
production cost and opportunities.
Running a sprue just for them when the foot version was discarded became not worth it.

>>96408916
I wonder what they taste like

did any /mlp/ autist ever try to rationalize their taste? is /mlp/ even alive?

>>96408143
So is the point of this to compensate for Cathay's lack of unit variety at present?

Can I embed a Royal Herald(heavy cavalry) in a unit of horse arches(light cavalry), and if so, does the unit lose reserve move and such?

>>96408785
>I would have guessed the opposite honestly since there's two banners to make units more survivable against shooting (improve regen and blood keep) amd the lance improves killing power a lot. Combined with more access to blood knights I was thinking the lance was the better option.
Oh fair enough. I've never played Brets, so it was a genuine question of is the trade off worth it.

>>96409383
That makes perfect sense. Except it doesn't! Because the 1997 chaos warrior kit was still in use all the way through to 2004 but the 1998-99 chaos knight kit was replaced in 2002 by the 6th ed chaos knight kit. So that can't be true! The timeline doesn't work.

>>96409559
yes

you are meant to a war altar as proxy rules for a compass or drum, a mage for an astromancer or alchemist, a general for a general, crossbows for crossbows, gunners for gunners, archers for archers

>>96408143
>>96408296
Yeah its definitely good from a gameplay perspective, but flavor-wise they could have done more. Not bad, but boring.

Cathay is going to be the protagonist faction for TOW. Also the colleges of magic will now be established by Miao Ying instead of Teclis and the Elves.

>>96409598
Yes, and yes

>>96410048
Regrettable, thanks. Could he in theory still use lookout sir if he was riding among them, but not as a part of the unit itself?

>>96410111
Read lookout sir
If you don't want him targeted he can hang our behind or on the side as long as he's not the closest model

>>96410111
>>96409598
Also it depends, he can NOT be in the unit if they are skirmishers but he can be if they are open order.

>>96410146
I know, asking just in case.

>>96409977
>All the Gweilo seething in every thread

You love to see it

>>96410427
Get thee to a /vg/ thread.

>human factions
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

>>96409434
>is /mlp/ even alive?
Yup
Though many wish it would be dead even with in the board

C7 owner does Q&A about the Old World RPG
>https://gmshoe.wordpress.com/2025/08/24/qa-padraig-murphy-warhammer-the-old-world/

>>96409434
>did any /mlp/ autist ever try to rationalize their taste?
It's a well written show bro!

I have a battle cpmong up against a Night Goblin themed army as WoC.

Would the Doom Totem (-1 LD to enemies within LoS) on Chosen Knights be of any use or am I better investing in something else?

>Cathay got announced
>Friend wants to get cathay
>Warn him about cathay having almost no minis in the preview
>Believes other things
>Cathay launches and he wants to play
>Go to store and i see him play against dwarves
>They fucking shred his units because the amount of ranged vs cathay only using war machines
>Wants to sell them already

I do believe cathay at least should have gotten either crossbows or the handgunners

I'm chaos player but at least i have light cavalry to start bothering their archers

>>96410970
A likely story. Cathay deserves less, not more. Yor friend wants more shooting? Go buy 7 balloons like all the other compfags.

>>96410970
1. bro is kinda gay for losing once and wanting to sell
2. bro went up against the absolute counter to his army and lost, not really worth being upset about. Thats like Dwarfs going againt HE and losing.

>>96410970
Sic semper sinae.

>>96411025
Not him but how are Dwarfs a counter to Cathay?

Longma and Balloons on paper should shred them.

>>96410970
>I do believe cathay at least should have gotten either crossbows or the handgunners
Funny you should say that. Tell your "friend" to get picrel and some Empire Missile Troop units.

>>96411042
Well balloons are a counter to everything, but base Cathay is pretty not-shooty aside from their artillery. And even if you get into combat with dwarfs, they don't melt instantly like an Empire gunline might.

>>96410970
WAACfag speedrun out of the hobby, nice

>>96410970
nuGW's target market, unironically

>>96410970
>because the amount of ranged vs cathay only using war machines
be honest
it's not the amount of ranged but the amount of cannons
and cathay's problem isn't the lack of ranged, but that he invariably puts all his eggs on the same floating baskets

of course cannons would shred those, cannons shred everything

>>96410970
Fake and gay but lots of yous so well played

Wait, can a Captain of the Empire work as a BSB for a Jade Fleet list or is the old world builder just fucking up there?

Also, can you join the Imperial units to Cathayan ones?

>>96410899
What do?

That was very annoying to print, paint and assemble.

>>96411654
As is the case with lots of proonts unfortunately. Bless em but some of the people designing seem to forget they're meant to be used irl at the end of the day. Your stuff turned out well though, good job anon.

I think the saddest thing about the Jade Fleet is that it put the Empire stuff as mercs, so you can only take a small amount really. And you don't even need to roll misbehaving mercs, so why not just make them regular units?

>>96411873
They can be an entire third of your army, so it's not a small amount

>>96411904
Yeah, but if you start dropping characters and stuff it can quickly run out. Its not like they're nothing of course, but for an army that is conceptually half-half they should have made it possible to go full half-half points-wise.
Also they picked the most boring, boilerplate units (besides outriders I guess)

Wolves of the Coast sounds cool as fuck, but the generic marauders are kinda lame. Are the Victrix Vikings/Rus comparable in scale to GW minis? Any reccomendations if not?

>>96412046
Victrix Marauders are fine height-wise, they look good ranked up too. However their weapons are historical scale so look a little "small" (aka realistically proportioned) next to the WHFB stuff. If you can ignore or kitbash that then they're fantastic and much better than the real Mauraders imo.

>>96412046
>Are the Victrix Vikings/Rus comparable in scale to GW minis?
Yes. But they'll have more human proportions.

Does any anon here actually have a Cathay project going yet? I've seen some proxies in /aosg/

>>96412197
I've vaguely considered Cathay with Bret allies with the latter modeled as more stylized Nips. Foot knights with greatswords as Samurai and men at arms and archers as Ashigaru.

Found a good proxy for harpies

>>96412381
I thought these were out of production

>>96412392
They are? A local store says they have like a dozen of them via mail order. I should probably order a box then.

>>96412176
>>96412160

Sounds good to me, thanks!

>>96411042
On paper balloons only do about the same amount of damage to a cannon at range as it does to them and it manuverablity doesn't help much against something that outranges it. Also the magic nerfs heavily buffed dwarves because now wizards are basically casting with no modifier.

>>96406499
>>96406774

True to form, they have good dragons and mages. Dragons are still dragons, even with the recent nerf. Most of their mages get a reroll on a failed cast per turn, which is now huge.

Their light chariot is also surprisingly great and really shines at smaller point games.

Overall, they're a good faction, but not OP. A solid A or B+.

>>96406638
Go for it. Bretonnians have been doing it forever.

>>96406638
Not particularly. Knights like to and have reason to show off their heraldry and colours.

Any full scans of the new AJ? I want to see the rules for running campaigns, also any rumours or leaks about the next AJ? The "Cathay, but actually" book sucked, I want something better

>>96412046
I could shill the Chronicles Of Hate printable model line, but the models are a bit fiddly at scale. It's all 1:1 recreations of Adrian Smith's current passion project, so I think the designs are ace.

What are the odds that the next O&G AJ will give some love to normal orcs & goblins? I know normal orcs are in a pretty good spot now with the buffs infantry in general got, but I think normal goblins could do with some help. Nasty Skulkers are fun but kind of shitty and made worse by the infantry buffs.

>>96413110
>What are the odds that the next O&G AJ will give some love to normal orcs & goblins?
Pretty unlikely I think, I suspect that the rumoured Savage Orc AJ will probably be it for AoI's for OnG before 2.0, after that all bets are off

>>96413117
I'm more confident in Savage Orcs getting an AJ as well. As much as I love the full lineup of O&G, it feels like the regular boys tend to get forgotten.

>>96413157
>it feels like the regular boys tend to get forgotten.
Mostly a symptom of core blorcs and fanatics being fucking busted, regular boyz could be 3 ppm base and still not see play for that reason. Ironically Troll Horde not allowing either Blorcs or Ngobbos is probably all the help regular boyz and gobbos need, shame that the gimmick of the AoI is marmite and the unique lore sucks donkey dick

>>96411654
You did a great job anon! 10/10 would shoot it down with my runed organ gun.

Show us a picture of the painted army so far.

>>96412381
Just so you're aware, those are PVC, not "regular" plastic.

This means that regular plastic glue won't work.

I have tried assembling PVC miniatures with PVC glue (the one for pipes) and while it works; it's VERY messy. So you'll likely have to resort to superglue.
Superglue is fine on larger joints but on more fiddly bits... it's an absolute bitch.

So I suggest you use something line E6000 or E6000 premium (which are somehow very different adhesives).
Other than that AoW makes excellent sculpts and often have great prices (if you can, wait until black Friday to get their plastic kit at 40-50% off directly from them)

>>96412757
>>96412783
Thanks anons

>>96413263
>Superglue is fine on larger joints but on more fiddly bits... it's an absolute bitch.
Loctite superglue gel is amazing for any and all joint sizes. It has a squeeze mechanism and nozzle combo that allows for fine control, and the glue doesn't run at all. I swear by it and always have a spare pack in case the one I'm using runs out, because I'll no longer use whatever alternative superglue my local shops have in stock.
(Unless you're talking about some sort of PVC/superglue interaction which I can't comment on whatsoever)

Are the skeleton horsemen and horse archers any good? I got the TK box set as a gift and I don't know what to do with them

>>96413385
Thank you; I will give it a try.

But I'm more talking about the durability of the connection.

Look at picrelated ( PVC from AoW) I used PVC pipe glue on the torso/legs and arms/shoulders connections and those are effectively welded together.
But for the hand to wrist connection of the standard bearers, I had to use superglue.

It'll hold, but accidents do happen (models being knocked over, parts getting tangled together) and superglue does tend to brittle up and brake with time.

>>96413484
Build them, base them and paint them.

They're a very cool looking unit which deserves being played for looks alone.

>>96413484
The archers are better atm but make whatever you prefer really

>>96413484
Horse Archers are pretty good harassers imo. Reserve Move, Arrows of Asaph and Skirmisher makes them a nice annoyance to deal with.

>>96410899
that sounds good given that gobbos are already low leadership, they could break and run immediately

>>96413504
20mm bases in your pic anon?

>>96413922
Yes. I play 8th ed so I always base on 20mm or multiple thereof. I even managed to rank up the infamous AoW slayers on 20mm.
Although sometimes I cheat a beat by having one or 2 on a 20x40 mm base to help with the ranking

>>96411873
>why not just make them regular units?
This jade fleet AoI has me fairly convinced that GW has decided each AoI must be tied to a specific grand army, and that any units from another army must be mercenaries. Looking back, even stuff like the border prince list took militia as mercenaries. The jade fleet would've been cooler (and worked better as a marketing tool) if it were an empire AoI with cathayan mercenaries.

I'm kinda disappointed by that, since I wanted some really mixed AoI lists. Stuff like a Sigmar list with priests of Ulric buffing marauder barbarians, or a Deachefels/Sauron style "dark lord" list with various evil minions. I guess the rumoured Dogs of War list will show whether GW is willing to do something like that. Hopefully it at least brings back Prince Ulther and other named mercenaries.

>>96411654
Very cool. What size base is it owskgwn?

>>96411654
Very cool. What size base is it on?

>>96411685
>>96413234
Thank you. Here's my army, I started it a year and a half ago and this is basically my first since I painted a few skeletons and zombies 20 years ago so it's very uneven. Also, the terrorgheist is a WIP.
And sorry for the quality of the photos I'm terrible at taking pictures.

>>96414281
It's two 50*100mm bases pinned and glued together. I plan on using the one under the horses for taking measures.

>>96411654
I'm really digging the coach. I don't like the spectral flame horses.

This is going to sound beyond stuoid but:

If a unit is charged in the flank, is the enemy unit which charhed them wothin their line of sight?

>why?

Item requires enemy unit to see the bearer in order to take effect.

Line of sight is usually 90 degrees from the front but when you are fighting on your flank, the unit defending can clearly "see" the model carrying it, hence fighting.

This is going to sound beyond stupid but:

If a unit is charged in the flank, is the enemy unit which charged them within their line of sight?

>why?

Item requires enemy unit to see the bearer in order to take effect.

Line of sight is usually 90 degrees from the front but when you are fighting on your flank, the unit defending can clearly "see" the model carrying it, hence fighting.

>>96414010

Can't you just use the unit profiles to represent what you want? Jade warriors are disciplined heavy infantry, same with jade lancers, who just represent drilled heavy cavalry.

In a single ranked unit, are you allowed NOT place a character in the center of a unit? This would be to avoid HIT! artillery results smashing them instantly

For example, C being the character

--XCXXX--

>>96414605
RAW there's nothing in the book that says you have LOS if you're in base contact or in the fighting rank so no the doom totem would do anything.
Personally I wouldn't mind house ruling it so that it also applies to the units in combat with the bearer of the doom totem though.

>>96414717
The command group is the only thing that has to be in the middle, characters can be put wherever you want (according to their base size)

>>96414727
Thanks man. That seems a bit counter intuitive for flank charges. I might invest in the Warbanner instead for +2 combat res.

>>96414606
I'm not sure what part of my post you're replying to, Anon. If it's in response to the part about DoW and heavily mixed lists then yeah sure I could just run it as Empire, but then I'd end up with a bunch of crossbowmen and knights who don't really feel like orcs or desert raiders.

>>96414781

I was replying to the DoW part, yes. I'm holding on to the hope that there will eventually be a DoW army, but meanwhile there are some options to represent more unusual human forces by using either the new Cathay arcane journal, or bretonnian exiles.

>>96414717
Banner has to be in the centre of the unit with both members of the rest of the command group on his sides.

Character has to be in front rank but can be anywhere as long as it's not taking the any of the command group's spots

The Hobgoblins are a vital part of the Chorf roster, but do you thing they could stand o their own?
Would you like to see a playable faction that's solely about the Hobgoblin Khanates?

>>96415500

I don't think a microfaction is a good idea. But couldn't you technically run a chorf list that is mostly hobgoblins and black orcs anyway?

>>96415500
There already is the nomadic waagh. You could just use hobgoblin models for them I guess

>>96413504
>superglue does tend to brittle up and brake with time
I really like the AoW dwarfs, nice to see someone with a collection of them!
I get what you mean about superglue going brittle. I do find that happens more with regular superglue where it's so thin that it kind of cracks like a sheet of ice. The loctite stuff is so thick that it acts more like a caulk that just happens to be superglue, which means you can completely fill gaps with it if you so wish, so it behaves more like concrete than ice. If you give it a go I hope it pleasantly surprises you.

>>96415500
no
no
do you see any random flavor of orc or goblin being their own armybook in whfb?
I swear to god, total wartubers did irreversible damage to the perception of the factions of the warhammer world

"hobgoblin khanates" are just goblin wolf riders, goblin wolf chariots and those 5 dow sculpts of wolf riders with racist asian moustaches, that's it, they're not meant to be anything more than that

>>96415500
>Would you like to see a playable faction that's solely about the Hobgoblin Khanates?
Nah, for a couple of reasons.
I'm already tired of gw milking weird and wonderful little factions or army lists (vespids being a prime example, they're literally called auxiliaries but gw chose to make them a whole independent list when they have like 1 unit type).
Hobgoblins are auxiliaries to the chorfs and I'd prefer them to remain as such. There's already a standalone goblin faction, I don't think there's enough separation between goblins and hobgoblins to make them their own faction, unless you massively expand their roster with loads of new units that have never been seen anywhere in the fluff before and are so unique that they differentiate themselves from similar goblin units, which means the new units would have to be weird and wacky. As the other anon says also, there's already a nomadic waaagh list, which further reduces the uniqueness that hobgoblins could have.
So in summary, and speaking respectfully as a fellow hobgoblin enjoyer, no, some things are perfectly fine being left alone exactly as they are. The game doesn't have to have everything everywhere all the time for everyone, at the cost of diluting down the core game so much that nobody knows what they're playing any more.

Guys, can someone tell me what changes The Old World made to the lore? I'm talking about the most important ones and what has been mentioned the most.

>>96415734
It's predominantly the retroactive insertion of cathay into the scene

other scattered stuff are
>malekith is renamed malerion
>while magic was outlawed before the colleges, wizards still existed and some regions were either somewhat tolerant of them (enough to not burn them on sight) or having hypocrites in position of power using them regardless of their opinions
>the implication that the end times and creation of something after it were part of the old ones' designs

>>96415541
>I don't think a microfaction is a good idea
Warriors of Chaos, Beastmen, Daemons, Tomb Kings though.

>>96415809
>while magic was outlawed before the colleges, wizards still existed and some regions were either somewhat tolerant of them (enough to not burn them on sight) or having hypocrites in position of power using them regardless of their opinions
This one isn't new to TOW, but is extrapolated from WFRP4e to explain away some aspect of older WFRP1e lore that they carried over in that edition, like the Middenheim Guild of Wizerds and Alchemists

>>96415809
Why Malarion? That sounds stupid
Better sounding names include:
Malekor
Malukath
Malakaan
Maledru
Maledris
Malekus

>>96415886
It's his name in AoS, blame GW getting antsy thinking Marvel/Disney would sue them over the name

>>96415886
>Why Malarion?
Because his dad was Aenarion and his older brother was Morelion

I cope with this silly change with the idea that malerion was his name at birth while malekith was the edgy new name he got for himself when donning the evil armor

>>96415839

Good point, 6th edition hordes of chaos book with combined demons and mortals was a good idea. Beastmen being the mulatto stepchildren of the chaos gods and having their separate book is acceptable to me. I'm not a grog, so the time when the undead were a combined faction was before me.

>>96415839
separating warriors, beasts and demons is a mistake, the extra units they got to compensate are obviously redundant and poorly thought crap that could have been rule options for already existing units.

I'm currently working out what I want to order from Mr. German Recaster Man, and I'm wondering how exactly i'm expected to go about doing so. Do I attach images displaying which models I want to the email I send, including red circles perhaps for singles? It's not like he has catalogue numbers for individual items.

>>96415809
Wasn't it always canon that they were legal in at least Middenheim even prior to Magnus at least?

>>96415891
His uncle was Lesslion

>>96416576
I don't think aenarion had brothers

the funny thing is the name of malekith's half-sister

lore from the new AJ, considering the lack of videos on the subject, I have to wonder if GW updated their press NDA so they can't show the books anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpYLENVeQh8

>>96416676
Not many channels ever bothered with lore even when gw was very loose with what they could show.

>>96416716
But no channel except these guys has done a look at the book, even one that got the book from GW and did do Videos on its contents, they never showed an interior page of it.

>>96414553
That's a great collection :)

>>96414727
>>96414605
There might be an edge case there cause doesn't corner to corner count, so if the flank is lined up perfectly 1-1 (say skirmishers flank attack) then to the one closest to the front by being corner to corner might qualify as front arc? Also, a BSB being a character needs to move to be in combat so it might defacto be turned to face the flank?
Either way I agree with the other anon and house rule they can see it at minimum.

>>96416676
I'm cropping the pages shown, I can't be bothered to listen to them read it

>>96415483
I always thought that rule was silly. You remove the command squad last anyway, so why does it matter where they're positioned? I place my champion in the middle and my standard bearer/musician to either side of him, wherever they can fit without causing issues for the rest of the unit. Hell, I put my standard bearers in the back rank sometimes when their banners are too big, as they almost always are. It doesn't matter! Do it the way you like, just communicate with your opponent and it won't be an issue.

>>96417006
why they can't show a page in its entirety is beyond me

>>96415500
The only other army green skins might get won't even be a full army just a new army comp with a new character: Forest goblins. Will get a few special rules like more ambush, all the ranged units getting access to different ranged weapons like blow guns, or adding poison attacks for +1 pts per model. Maybe one or two units that get poison on 5+ instead of 6. Moving arachnarok down to special. Since it would be from a AJ maybe a new larger spider/millipede/insect of some kind that all O&G can take as special but forest gobs could take as core. That sort of thing. Not a whole new army book for sure.

>>96417080
And that's all folks!

Cathay lore gives me chronic sleep syndrome. Can't wait to go back to something more interesting, like Tomb Kings or Orcs and what they are up to.

So why didn't Cathay send help during the End Times

>>96417087
Thanks anon

>>96417014
damn, Orion Jobbed hard to Kralmaw
It's a shame GW didn't bother to develop the Eonir Wood Elves at all in TOW

>>96417141
I know Cathay is pretty boring but don’t pretend like tomb kings are any better

>>96417222
NTA but Tomb Kings at least have a cooler aesthetic and variety.

>>96417011
You can target champions with attacks to kill them first

>>96417045
>elf and cathayan treaty of tordesillas
Huh, why not. Like the ship design.
>>96417060
>cathayan gunpowder btfo's that of the empire and maybe even the dwarfs
Lol. Lmao even.

>>96417039
Interesting bit of art at the bottom there

>>96417060
>>96417262
Don't dwarven guns have rifling? That immediately would make them significantly better.

>>96417087
Wow, it's fucking nothing.
Why is a city even allowing an enemy army to dock?

>>96417321
china numba whuan

>>96417222
Cathay and TK actually have the coolest lore in TOW.

>>96417039
Is Spice Market a new town?
Diretown showed up on the new map, but I don't think I've heard of Spice Market before

>>96417222
TK are pretty undercooked but they look cool and they have a more appealing baseline for their lore, which is why they can be developed into something interesting. Cathay have been setup to be as milquetoast as possible which is sort of future proofing them from being potentially interesting in any forseeable future.

>>96417045
so are we getting this large Junk as a terrain piece or something?

>>96417435
No, that's 3d printed scenery for gw's own promotional photos only.

>>96417060
>Cathay's handguns and cannons are even better than the Empires and Dwarfs.
>Please excuse the fact that they are all clearly a few centenaries less advanced than either of those armies.
>In real life the Chinese were still using matchlocks and spears when western armies had moved on to percussion cap rifles.
GW, I really want to like Cathay, but can you knock this Matt Ward writing style on the head.

>>96417534
you don't even need to go to the 19th century to find examples of China not handling Gunpowder well
the Japenese had the tech advantage when it came to guns during the invasion of Korea and both Korea snd the Ming Dynasty were underdeveloped than importing Arquebuses designs from Europe. The Siege of Fort Zeelandia by the Ming in 1664 also showed that even an undermanned Dutch fort could hold out against China for years due to poor technological developments in warfare by China

>>96416000
Best part was that you could actually combine Mortals, Demons, and Beasts in 6th as well, and you could use the same magic items. It'd be really cool to be able to do something like that in ToW, requirements being having a character of that race to include that specific race. Getting a few options as core... Maybe if your general is X, then you get one unit of Y and Z as core per character of that race, and then all core of that race count as special, and all special as rare, like in 6th

The Cathay/China dicksucking by GW in TOW lore is nauseating

>>96417705
Go back to WHFB then. In TOW cathay reigns surpreme

Some progress on my latest build. I've decided to fill the middle section and change to the tower top. Right now first in line are scoring of the balsa and cutting more bricks from XPS.

>>96418122
source on the windows?

>>96417705
Cathay number one
China strong

It seems my superiority has red to some controversy

>>96417534
the nuance I'm bothered to headcanon is that the dwarfs have all around better designed and better manufactured guns, but Cathay has the finest gunpowder because their secret recipe involves millennias old dragon guano

>>96415734
There is legions of Steamtanks.
Malakai is not the creator of the Goblin Hewers.

>>96418340
I'm recasting Mordheim/6th ed starter set ruins windows

>>96417080
>>96417087
>Maio defeats the Chaos Warriors by spamming Sky Lanterns.
That meta-chasing bitch.

>>96415886
>Aenarion
>Morellion
>Auralion
>Arathion
>Tyrion
I guess they wanted something in "ion"

>>96418340
nta but it's from the Blood on the Streets box(mordheim)