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>Most recent bracket system update
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>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

>TQ:
Irrelevant, time-wasting question

You are playing a ticket deck, right?

>>96415102 (OP)
I'd get this Secret Lair.

>>96415109
Are stickers like attractions where you need to build a deck of them first and randomly pick from a couple at the start of the game or do you always have the couple you pick?

>>96415114
unfortunately you pick 10 and randomly choose 3
I recommend just cheating though who's gonna know

Okay how do I build him. Should I even build him?

>>96415150
doge is mandatory

>>96415109
Best commander for tickets? I already have an attractions deck, mildly interested in this one too

Can someone send these to Europe?
>squirreled away still 80 euros

>>96415181
Something weak that cares about its own power (jenova maybe?).
Something that would be interesting to clone (since stickers can bypass the legend rule).
Blink shenanigans.

>>96415177
I can't run yoshimaru, this is a mono black deck

>"I attack with Angel of whatever"
>"I block with my goblin."
>"It has flying..."
I swear to god, how is this so common!? You'd think people would connect angels with the ability to fly eventually. Or question why someone attacks into the token player, but no. It just keeps happening.

>>96415255
just say
>sending X (it's power) in the air at you

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96415261
I wasn't the one attacking yesterday when I noticed it again. I'm kinda just astonished (and a bit annoyed) by the inability to connect the two things or at least ask to clarify.

Warping Wail is criminally underplayed. It's probably one of the best charms ever made. The first mode can snipe a lot of utility creatures like Esper Sentinel, Soul Warden, or Blood Artist for good. The second mode counters almost every board wipe in the game, in addition to hitting big game ending sorceries like Torment of Hailfire or Breach the Multiverse. Last, the third mode is just an emergency blocker, but you could clamp the Token or use it to turbo a 4 drop Commander on turn 3.

But how much of a cost is the color pip to splash in your deck? I honestly say not that much. Let's take a Boros Manabase and how most of you faggots would build it: You always run your Painland and your Lorwyn Filter as well as Sol Ring and Talisman of Conviction. That's 4 sources base. Next you probably run Reliquary Tower, Scavenger Grounds and the two Boros utility lands: Sunhome and Slayer's Stronghold. We are now at 8 colorless sources.
From there you have so many options: Starting Town is another unintrusive way to fix your colors while still proving colorless. Abstergo Entertainment is a filter land with built-in recursion and Graveyard hate. Sol Lands like Ancient Tomb or Temple of the False Gods can cast Warping Wail by itself.
We can go deeper too. If you're in White, you could drop 1 of each basic for Ramunap Ruins/Shefet Dunes and run Sand Scout as a really good ramp creature (which would also give you access to Arid Archway as a bounceland). Budgetfags can run Promising Vein or Ash barrens for colorless lands that aren't completely dead.
I have a 3-color deck with 10 colorless sources in 41 lands + 3 rocks and I wouldn't even bat an eye if this was castable.

I think especially mono-green should want Warping Wail because every mono-green deck loses to All is Dust and Farewell.
I probably wouldn't play it in Blue decks. Mono-black seems suspicious too, because you want as much swamp mana as you can get to abuse Coffers.

>>96415272
>card is called warping wail
>doesn't have warp
into the trash

>>96415255
To be fair, angels are the worst "popular" tribal so they don't get seen as much as dragons do.

It is time.
Gay Bolas tribal.
Build it and they will come.

>>96415150
Just remember his dog. Besides that some evasion to guarantee getting in and it should give you a base to work with.

>>96415272
The colorless bit is a bit of a deal breaker for a lot of decks it feels like. But if you're playing something with enough colorless mana producing stuff in it then it's fantastic and off color counter spells are always a good trick that there should be more of.

>>96415150
>>96415647
Like this anon said, include the dog even if only for the blanket Menace. Go for neato, low-powered assassins and throw in things like Cover of Darkness to give them all fear, Blanket of Night/Urborg to make everything into swamps, Crypt Ghast because duh, and Filth for blanket swampwalk. Be the mono-black aggro deck you were always meant to be, anon.

>>96415272
I love it and a few others like Null Elemental Blast. They've saved my ass so many times in my colorless decks.

>>96415652
It really isn't that difficult, believe me
>Sol Ring
>Mind Stone
>Talisman of Whatever
>Thought Vessel
>Liquidmetal Torque
>Everflowing Chalice
>Reliquary Tower
>Scavenger Grounds
>Ancient Tomb
>War Room
>Rogue's Passage
>Strip Mine
>Urza's Saga
>Field of the Dead

Do I have to go on? There are SO many good utility lands and rocks out there, not even including colorless sources that do provide colored mana too like Painlands or Filter Lands. According to the calculator, 10 colorless mana sources gives you a 63% chance to cast Warping Wail on turn 2. And chances are you don't even want to cast it on turn 2.
It is statically more probable the average 32 land commandertard can cast Warping Wail than they are to hit land drop #3.

Played Choco last night
Killed one opponent with a 64/64 moss wood hydra
Killed another opponent with the same 1,024/1,024 mosswood hydra
Deck played exactly how I envisioned it

>>96415735
>Mosswood
Mossborn, getting my moss themed creatures mixed up

>>96415735
In a Gay-Off, your deck, image, and self would beat Richard Simmons cleanly.

>>96415102 (OP)
Not sure if CaC/customs reviewing is cool here or it's just bait to get told kys.

I started with the first ability on the bottom side of the card. I just thought it'd be kind of a cool little interaction between surveilling and conniving. Let's say you surveilled 2 and liked one but didn't like the other. You get to dump that one card you didn't like and try your luck at a random with the following connive for the same amount.
Everything else was built up around that and I don't think there's a lot of originality happening with it. Like I just lifted the 2nd effect on the back from Arna who's in the same color identity but made it narrower to apply to a single creature rather than all attacking.
If you slept the legendary type on it for commander purposes I kind of wanted it to be this voltron and/or advantage engine that acts as a payoff for surveilling.
I think the mana values are probably a little under where they should be but that's just adjusting magic number knobs.
I had it as a single-sided card at first but decided for flavor reasons to make it a transform card. The idea of the flavor being that they're kind of like a lacky on their front side and then after they get some experience with things they flip over to the back and are a full-blown member. I also just like mechanic slop. If I'm going to make something stupid I might as well make something extra stupid.

All that said. I'm simply looking for maybe some help balancing the card's MVs as well as maybe make it more interesting effect to replace the back side beginning of combat trigger.
Also looking for help on how to make the color pip on the left the proper three colors. I was working on cardsmith and couldn't figure out how to do it besides maybe making a custom one and then importing it.

>>96415872
>>>ccg

maybe im blind and/or stupid but are there karador combo lines where you start off from grave with single use of his graveyard-cast?

>>96415860
Can't you people come up with a better insult than >lolgay
At least find a creative way to do it or something

>>96415881
If there was one I would go there. Sorry, but I didn't want to make an entire thread/general for a single card.

I wish I could die for Thalia.
My life has absolutely no value.
I did 40 deep squats with only 15 fuckin pounds of weight for counterbalance and my legs are still sore 2 days later.
I'm 32 I'm falling apart. I'm not even fat.
I've had awful congestion that only recently went away and it felt like I couldn't breathe and it reminded me how panicked it would be to die choking on my own blood after taking an arrow for Thalia.
I just want to sleep.
I had sex with a skinny Indian girl with a nice body and it meant nothing to me. I barely even think about it.
I feel numb to everything.
If Thalia loved me and was waiting at home for me, then some of my suffering would have meaning.
But she isn't and never will be.
And of course it's ridiculous of me to think I would be worthy of Thalia in any state.
Even if I got /fit/ I wouldn't be worthy of her.
I'll still try but it is sad.
I wish I could die for her. Just so my life has some meaning. To know I have my life for someone beautiful and pure.

>>96415906
>faggot bootymad
Kek.

I'm the guy trying to build a Melek deck. I also recently saw aliana from bloomburrow and she seems to be a more reliable albeit less fun choice (she lets you copy the first instant/sorcery . I figure I can run a mostly similar deck, but swapping in more otters if I run the Otter commander. I know I can run both in the same deck regardless of who the commander is.


Anybody have budget friendly card recs? I'm not running shit like rhystic study on principle but I might proxxy a Sensei's divining top. Most otter and noncreature stuff with good synergy, while not being the best, is really cheap.

I’m playing a rakdos surveil/graveyard deck what are some good game closing instants and sorceries? So far I’ve got Rise of the Dark Realms.

>>96416007
Morality Shift with something like Syr Konrad on the field

>>96415732
>1 good card
>bunch of a shitty rocks
>bunch of niche lands
Its a good card no doubt but the people are right. The colorless pip will mess with you more often than not. Going "lots of colorless lands exist!" Doesn't matter as they have to fit into the deck.

>>96415906
That was a creative way to do it you salty fag lmao. Sorry no one was impressed by your gay pushed deck.

>>96416007
Blasphemous act + Thor = gg
It even gives you plenty of grave to work with if you fail to finish off that one dickhead running only 2 (two) creatures on his deck

>>96415102 (OP)
Should I build stax or hatebears?

>urza's fucking saga
>niche land

>>96416078
You play all of these in your deck, you nigger.

>>96416123
I would maybe put 1 or 2 of those in every deck, the rest are very niche and depends.

>>96416122
...yes? Do you think saga goes in every deck? Why would I put it in a deck if I dont care about its niche benefits. I dont have enchantmnet synergies, I dont have shitty rocks in my deck etc. Heck saga is hardly played in cedh and only really shines in 60 card formats.

>>96416108
>should I waste people's time or waste people's time
Just go literally jerk off to exposure porn if all you plan to do is play with yourself while people have to sit around and stare at you. Play a normal deck with maybe some of those pieces in it so you can durdle a little less hard.

>>96416108
Yes, force them to interact with you and slow the game down. It desperately needs it at this point.

>>96416129
>>96416133
29.95% of all Commander decks play Reliquary Tower. 20.25% of all Commander decks play Rogue's Passage. And don't forget incredibly "niche" cards like the Painlands, which every single deck ever made runs as an untapped dual.

Are you retarded?

>>96416133
Saga fetches Sol Ring and that is enough to justify its existance.

Who would ever play incredibly niche cards like Ancient Tomb and Sol Ring.

>>96416021
Funnily enough I want that to be my finisher in my Syr Konrad deck. Sadly, the foil is like 40 bucks since it only has one printing but it'd be a cool little treasure.

>>96415102 (OP)
>managed to finish my fun edh deck just in time for my friend group to stop playing this decade again award
How do you cope with this?

>>96416136
>he hasn't felt the joy of running GAAIV with Smothering Tithe, Rhystic Study, and a buttload of other stax and Persistent Petitioners
Making everyone scream in despair while I chill in my pillow fort is pure bliss.

>>96415150
Minas Morgul and other stuff that gives Shadow.

I finally got most of the cards for my first deck and some extra stuff i found that seemed cool, but now i'm at 110.
Could you guys help me cut it down please?
Also if you have any recommendations for cards I should still get i'd be happy to hear those too.
https://moxfield.com/decks/JDlj0kQMn0iLfr-4bXDCpg

>>96415272
>Blood Artist player
>can't sacrifice it in response
I'm not mad, just disappointed.

>>96416482
does anyone actually loop TOR? It's one turn of protection and that's rarely used to actually keep anyone safe, it's better to just win using the most busted draw engine ever printed.

>>96416491
>oh you thought you were safe from my creature horde for a turn because you cast your overpushed bullshit One Ring card? Sorry fag.

>>96416514
>he says while playing an overpushed card
>TOR player wont just have removal after drawing half their deck

>>96416202
now what do you learn from this?
maybe try and play your fun edh from the start next decade

Insano smack
RG
Instant
As long as there are 5 or more other spells or abilities on the stack, all spells have shroud and this spell gains split second.

All players take X damage, where X is the number of spells or abilities on the stack, plus the sum of their owned spells mana values. If any of these spells had their alternative mana costs paid, this spells deals double damage.

>>96416565
TOR only draws 1 card the turn it comes in, noob

Fracking is based!
3BB
Enchantement - Aura
Enchant Land

Enchanted land looses all abilities
Enchated land has "Drill Baby, Drill - T: Put a Frack counter on target land you control other than enchated land without a Frack counter on it. Then Create thrice X treasures, where X is the amount of Frack counters among lands you control"
(A land with a frack counter loses all mana abilities. If each land you control has a Frack counter on it, sacrifice each land you control)

>>96416741
>looses

>>96416450
Gearhulk and Fear of Burning Alive are not really doing a lot for how much mana they cost.
I'd try to look at anything over 5.
Chaos Warp isn't really worth it unless you're in mono-red. The options suck but black can take care of enchantment and red takes care of artifacts. With the downside it's just bad unless you really need it.
Solemn Simulacrum also kind of sucks in your colors you have the best rituals.
Other than those I would just look to cut what you can starting from the highest mana value down stuff like Kaervek.

>>96416741
>Put a Frack counter on target land you control other than enchated land without a Frack counter on it
>If each land you control has a Frack counter on it, sacrifice each land you control
Please kill yourself

>>96416741
Needs to give more than X as you are essentially drawing all the resource you can from that land forever

>>96416006
6 mana do nothing wont work even in casual pods.

>>96416202
That's some really bad timing. Does your group just give up the game regularly?

>>96416741
this is a red card

Are there any new toys for a suicidal black deck? I haven't been able to keep up with releases lately

>>96415735
>he plays landslop decks

>>96415102 (OP)
>TQ
Irrelevant, time-wasting answer.

>>96415199
Damn good deal

>>96415872
Interesting enough

Holy shit i forgot how much of a pain double sleeving is

Guys, I can feel myself slowly succumbing to the power of blue. Just the other week I've replaced my boros deck with an esper one because I needed the cards. Now I look at my decks and see zero decks without blue. How do I stop enjoying blue?

>>96417357
you dont.
why would you lock yourself out of the enjoyment of the whole picture this game has to offer? i will never understand color nazis

>always 5 or so cards unavailable in my online order
>2-4 are always staple cards that my decks really want to function properly
>somehow it's always different cards so it's not like i'm just waiting for one or two specific ones to come back in stock

>>96416006
All of the "not the best" otters become much much better when you can copy them with Alania. Lots of blockers on the board, lots of effects.

>>96417447
>hey sorry, we are missing $0.50 uncommon due to an inventory error. we shipped you the rest and refunded you the $0.50

Anons, what are the best cards to make tokens in a mono black aristocratic deck, and how manny? I currently have 7 and im not getting enough fodder for sac effects

>>96417532
Ophiomancer is one of the best at 3 mana, since it triggers *each* upkeep, not just your own.

>>96417532

> God Tier
Pawn of Ulamog, Ophiomancer, Bitterblossom, Endrek Sahr, Sifter of Skulls

>Good Tier
Dreadhorde Invasion, Jadar, ghoulcaller of Nephalia, Gisa the Hellraiser, Lord Skitter, sewer king

>Playable
Liliana's Mastery, Ogre Slumlord, Desecrated Tomb

>>96417623
Not Liliana's Mastery, Open the Graves.

>>96417532
bitterblossom, deadhorde invasion,
gravecrawler, reassembling skeletons variations, nether traitor, nim devourer, silversmote ghoul,
any of the draft uncommons/rares with an alternate cost you can also cast from GY, bloodsoaked champion, the new timeline culler, there's a raid one but that's not as useful

>>96417623
Thanks anon, appreciate it. Should i up the number to 10 sources? At 7 I have problems getting any out, even with a decent ammount of draw cards

>>96417623
>>god tier
the generation of tokens in black continues to be in a sad state, which is a good thing. Fuck tokens.

>>96417623
>Bitterblossom
Fuck this fucking card and fuck Oko too

>>96417532
in my rakdos aristocrats deck, I run 6 token engines and 18 cards that produce tokens in same way.

>>96417701
Yea 7 just doesn't seem like enough,il make some changes. Thanks anons

>>96417700
>want to build gix as monoblack edric because you can get a bunch of deathtouch, flying and shadow creatures for pennies
>bitterblossom would be so fucking perfect but it costs like $20
>figure there's no point in even building the deck if it's missing the most obvious best card for it
>go back to playing regular edric
Surely jotc will reprint it in Llorwyn 2 (as a special guest card available only in the collector boosters that goes for $50 maybe)

>>96417739
Retarded hands typed this post

>>96415181
Ukkima/Cazur or Derevi, Empyreal Tactician. Ideally you want a commander that's reliably "sticky" or can wear the stat modifications well.

>>96417750
I'll note that you're unable to state where exactly I'm wrong and move on.

>>96417679
10 Sources is fine but usually with aristocrats you're abusing reassembling skeleton type cards for your sac outlets more.
How many cards like that are you running?

I love this guy in xenagos
especially when I get to hideaway one of the big green draw spells with him

>>96417796
>I cant build a deck because ONE token producer is expensive
>not even the best card
Bad retard doodoodhead that wasn't difficult at all

>>96417815
>not even the best card
In Gix? Yeah it kind of is actually, unless you're going to say it's cabal coffers or something.

lorewise, who is/was the strongest character in the MtG multiverse?
new to magic, joined from the FinalFantasy release and very interested in the lore overall and how big it is, but i do need to know ehos the big powerful entity.

>>96417532
NTR-san, of course!

>>96417836
>lorewise, who is/was the strongest character in the MtG multiverse?

>>96417836
Yawgmoth. No one comes even close to the top spot thanks to him

>>96417286
I appreciate the at least one response, do you happen to have any thoughts on maybe a different ability for the backside's 2nd? I'd like to keep it in the realm of combat focused but I could go with anything, I'd like to not just steal another card's ability.

>>96417802
Wow, only 5. That seems like far too little.

>>96417836
In terms of sheer power it's a toss-up between Urza and Nicol Bolas. No one else even comes close.
In terms of actual achievements it's either Urza or Yawgmoth.

Personally I'd say Urza. It's been thousands of years and his influence is still represented in sets to this day.

>>96417836
Thats a tricky question, sort of. The universe recently* went through a depowering because time got so shitter-shattered everything was coming undone and the solve was for all the planeswalkers to give up their god-like powers. So before that, the list looks something like this:
>Urza
>Yawgmoth jockeying for first slot
>Nicol Bolas in a distant third

But now all the planewalkers are severely gimped in power so its a much less clear set of winners. Maybe something like this:
>Emrakul
>Ugin
>Nicol Bolas but the gap is closing quickly

>*:2007

>>96417855
doesn't that spirit from kamigawa dethrones him? not o-kagashi but the other one.
or even urza planeswalker is stronger?
perhaps even one of the 9 titans we havent seen as card yet?
emrakul is a contender as well for strangest lorewise.

>>96417855
Yawgmoth was just a dude, do you think he could take Emrakul or prime Bolas head on?

>>96417935
There's nothing mere about that mortal, famalam

>>96417878
Well first off- what DONT you like about it? The CMC on the frontside definitely should be at least 1 more, or 1 blue one white. Wizards would probably have the backsides second ability trigger at end of turn

>>96417938
Sure but still his primary achievement was phyrexia's creation, not his own might.

>>96417957
The Roman Legion wasn't considered powerful because Caesar could wrestle anyone else into submission. Military might and expansionism is strength.

>>96417884
I'd say you want about 20 cards that are disposable bodies in an aristocrats list.
Run stuff that does double duty if you can like Woe Strider to help with redundancy. It's unfortunate but aristocrats lists tend to be very samey because of how many pieces you want to make it work.

>>96417957
wasn't Yawgmoth in godform like a threat to the whole multiverse simply by existing?

>>96417967
If we're going by that standard then the eldrazi titans still win, they spawn endless armies of reality warping eldritch kaijus that annihilate entire planes.
Yawgmoth corrupted worlds but the eldrazi can delete them entirely, not to mention that their corruptive abilities are arguably more effectively than phyresis as well so they even beat Yawgmoth at his own game.

>>96417896
>doesn't that spirit from kamigawa dethrones him? not o-kagashi but the other one.
Kyodai is strong, but nowhere near Yawg
>or even urza planeswalker is stronger?
HA, no. Even at full power, Urza had to to enact a plan over centuries just to make a weapon powerful enough to kill Yawgmoth
>perhaps even one of the 9 titans we havent seen as card yet?
HAHAHA. Yawg stomped them all without lifting a finger
>emrakul is a contender as well for strangest lorewise.
Possibly. But to this day we've never seen even a glimpse of Emrakul's full power, so the jury's still out and Yawgmoth is still number 1

>>96417935
He was a dude who ended up fusing with an entire plane and went on to threaten the entire fucking MULTIVERSE. Bolas would be anally raped and Emrakul would be hacky-sacked out of the third dimension

>>96418012
>Even at full power, Urza had to to enact a plan over centuries just to make a weapon powerful enough to kill Yawgmoth
He had to play the long game because Yawgmoth had effective surveillance over all of Dominaria; the Legacy wasn't Urza's first plan, nor his second: Those were the Bloodline project and the Metathran, respectively.

>>96417981
It started as a Vincent nuke everything while Giving him indestructible, get him massive and swing for lethal, but I realized I dont want a 1 trick pony that will get me jumped by the 2 remaining players. It was going to be that Zurgo nuke everything while his indestructible saves him then just swing in for commander damage

>>96417835
nta, but it must truly suck to be you, if you don't build a deck because you can't have a single card that you would have a ~1% chance of drawing that has no immediate impact anyways

>>96418056
Nah anon its the best card ever cant make my budget deck without it

>>96418056
>that you would have a ~1% chance of drawing
Bro it's a Gix deck. I have to play Feldon's Cane to make sure I'm not decking myself on turn 5.

>>96417836
Not a lore fag, but maybe this guy. From what I've gathered from his wiki entry, he is written like a OP donut steel OC

>>96417941
I kind of dont like just ripping the card text straight from Arna. It feels lazy and uninspired as well as off flavor from what I outlined with her being like a promoted lacky.
I had a really boring lifegain effect on it before the doubling thing based on discarding cards but scrapped that because I decided I wanted it more about getting in during combat.
And yeah the more I think of it, the front should be like 2W so I'm with you there.

>>96417836
>all these objectively wrong answers
it's aminatou. it's even said by the writers she is the most powerful ever
and she is canon!

Shouldn't Valgavoth be similarly powerful to Yawgmoth?
They both derived their power from being fused with a plane that they had total control over and possessed non-planeswalker means of affecting the multiverse.

>>96418090
It its that fast, why even bother with an upkeep only trigger?
Also seems like you build it anyways

>>96418053
You'll probably get more hate for playing Zurgo than for playing Vincent. Have you considered Yahenni?

>>96418105
Yeah but Valgavoth is cringe 80s bait nu-WotC, he is less powerful by defaukt

>>96417836
>Taysir of Rabiah was the most powerful of the PREREVISIONIST planeswalkers, and where he stands compared to Urza is debatable.

heres your answer.
JotC memoryholed this guy, he mogs anyone mentioned so far.

>>96418090
What a bizarre lie lmao

someone confirm this before I spend money.

>I activate yes-man targeting opp A
>while holding priority I voltaic key targeting yes-man
>I let voltaic key resolve
>I activate yes-man targeting opp B
>I let yes-man targeting opp B resolve, draw two cards, put a quest counter on yes-man and opp B gains control of a tapped yes-man
>I let yes-man targeting opp A resolve, draw two cards, put a quest counter on yes-man and opp A gains control of a tapped yes-man

>>96418136
First trigger fizzles. You cant give yes man to someone else if B has control of it now.

>>96418112
>It its that fast
Well it draws a lot of cards but it doesn't win with them right away. It doesn't have extra turns or overruns like Edric does so it mostly just chips until it can get an overwhelming advantage with grey merchant or exsanguinate, and it doesn't have the ramp to turbo those out into a win.

>>96418133
An exaggeration maybe, but I assume you don't know what Gix does. Read the card and figure out why drawing 7-12 cards each turn isn't that hard.

>>96418136
yeah you can and you draw 4. the first ability only targets an opponent and says they gain control. you are not giving anything and are not required to control him anymore after the ability has been activated

>>96418165
but i dont give yes man. the ability says target opp gets control of yes man. as long as yes man doesnt leave the battlefield between triggers the permanent the trigger refers to is still identifiable and should work.

>>96418196
thats what I believe. i guess i should get ready for lots of discussions if i build him.

>>96418196
Wrong. You cannot give control of someone else's permanent. And you only draw the cards
>when they do
Don't mislead the guy.

>>96418202
Its not yours to give control of at that point anymore im not sure why this is difficult. AND EVEN IF it worked like you want it to, player B would draw the cards, as card draw is a reflexive ability tied to losing control of Yes man
>WHEN THEY DO... YOU (yes mans controller)

>>96418205
you don't give anything you are just targeting an opponent who then will gain control of the permanent thanks to the ability that yes man created

>>96418176
>all this fake bait about not wanting to build a deck because of a single card just to talk about your obvious run of the mill build
Another day in the edhg

>>96418216
>you dont give anything
>they just going control of it
>WHEN THEY DO
Read >>96418214
You are both simply wrong.

>>96418176
>t1 evasive creature
>t2 evasive creature
>t3 gix draw 2
>t4 2 evasive creatures draw 4
>t5 2-3 evasive creatures draw 6-7
Not seeing how you deck yourself by turn 5 here my guy. Hyperbole helps no one

>>96418214
>player B would draw the cards
they don't control the ability so they wouldn't draw. saying people can't gain control of things you don't control is like saying wrong turn doesn't work when targeting creatures you don't control

>>96418214
>(yes mans controller)
no, the controller of the ability
>>96418221
"when they do" gain control of yes man is what that refers, and they will, thanks to the ability you control

>>96418214
the reflexive triggers checks if the player controlling yes man as the ability resolves is
A. an opponent of the owner of the trigger
B. the target of the ability
C. in control of yes man

this is to prevent flicker effects in response to the ability from working but not the untapping.

>>96418235
>>96418244
>when they do, you (yes mans controller)
Bring it up with a judge when you finally make the deck. You've been educated you can cheat all you want

>>96418247
The reflexive trigger is tied to who controls the card. It is literally crystal clear you guys just want it to work this way, it doesnt. Trigger is the retarded anon, the reflexive trigger is whoever controls Yes man.

>>96418234
You forget the part where the draw 4 are also just evasive creatures, lest this whole thing wouldn't happen consistently

>>96418219
>your obvious run of the mill build
Should I be building monoblack group hug or thrull tribal or what? Please give me your approved list so that I'm not playing a generic Gix deck.
No shit I'm building Gix as a Gix deck. If I wanted to build something else I'd run a different commander.
It's obnoxious that there's an ideal card for the deck that makes tokens with evasion rare in black for low cmc creatures and the only reason I can't run it is because this game is held up by whales.

>>96418234
I already told you I was exaggerating bro what more do you want from me?

>>96418299
>he doesn't buy low and then never sells
yeaaah sucks to be uuu

>>96418263
straight from the judges mouth so you dont have to die dumb, tard-kun
>inb4 muh no name judge
I trust a no life judge on irc waiting for rules questions to answer all day long more than anon on a mongolian basket weaving board
>i was just pretending to be retarded
yeah

>>96418314
This. Jeska's Will was $0.50 during prerelease at one point and I bought 6 because it was obvious how broken it was. Most of my cards now worth >$30 I bought when they were selling <$5. You can build a collection of gems for pennies if you're good at evaluating card quality and power.

anyone play jund? I'm thinking of having lord windgrace be my tubo ramp commander but im not sure

In my Azusa deck should I cut Farhaven and Wood Elves for some 1 fast mana like a lotus petal, birds of paradise, llanowar elves?

>>96418408
Yes

>>96418415
Why? Those cost more, but give me permanent ramp. Isn't that better than just sometimes getting her out more reliably on turn 2? That's the only reason I haven't done so.

>>96418443
are you running some form of elf tribal subtheme? because you can get those effects from 2cmc cards

>>96418443
I never thought I'd see someone too dumb to pilot Azusa of all things lol

>>96418382
>wanted to do a budget challenge with my friends
>have good cards for my theme in my collection
>remember these cards being a few pennies, literal draft chaff from precons
>check price, all 2-6 dollars, making them off budget

>>96418478
No. What 2cmc cards? I know of Sakura Tribe Elder, but that's on sack, not on ETB.

>>96418482
That's not really a proper critique.

>>96418526
>What 2cmc cards?
you have never heard of farseek or rampant growth?

>>96418482
Azuza is irrelevant anyways and only exists to be Tifa's royal bedwarmer and mistress of the privy chambers at this point.

>>96418526
>>96418725
Not to mention Nature's Lore and Three Visits
>>96418443
Run the 1 mama Llanowar Elf clones, Arbor Elf and wild growth+Utopia Sprawl. Turn 2 Azuza+dropping 2 lands that turn is better than the 3 mana search elves, though Wood Elves isn't the worst as the forest enters untapped.

Now what exactly are you planning to do with all this mana exactly?

>>96417836
the player

>>96418401
Jund is a pretty reliable combination. Planeswalker Windgrace or Soul Windgrace?

>>96418905
Nah Urza would beat the shit out of me and Yawgmoth has protection from me.

>>96418299
I want you to issue a public apology for misleading me anon. Make it out to "magic master micah"

>>96418935
both of them became playable cards so they are no longer even plausibly stronger than the player

>>96418378
>no mention of the reflexive trigger
>just the ability
>the ability isnt drawing you cards, the reflexive trigger is
Yeah id ask a better judge LOL

>>96418905
>>96418935
is the player still technically oldwalker-tier?

>>96418971
Yeah well I'm a 7 mana 5.5/10 rocking the brown color identity. Urza would fucking wreck me.