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>Thread Question:
Your last character comes to life right next to you. How fucked are you?

>>96456215 (OP)
>TQ

My current character is a Hunter. So my only real hurdle is having to explain the modern world to a man from 1816, and maybe go on a wacky adventure to send him back to the past.

>>96456103
Wow, that's perfect. I honestly didn't know Changelings can be that badass.

>>96456215 (OP)
>How fucked are you?
>Infernalist
Uuuuuh...

>>96456215 (OP)
>How fucked are you?
Given that we are playing Ashwood Abby, yeah I'm fucked either way.

Reminder that if your vampires can outrun or catch bullets you’re a cringe anime addled storyteller or something

Thoughts?

>>96456282
they're a retard that's never met a woman. next question

>>96456281
How very street level of you.

>>96456022
A Seelie Ailil would be the sweetspot

>a Setite fat ugly bastard priest that turned his toreador rival into the temple onahole after ass eating him to death with Serpentis 2
Oh lawd

>>96456215 (OP)
>Your last character comes to life right next to you. How fucked are you?
Sabbat Toreador.
She was a comedian. I’m going to die laughing.

How many dots in Life do I need to open someone’s urachus to cause them to piss out of their belly button like a disgusting freak to point and laugh at?

>>96456130
It's inconspicuous.

>>96456282
A Bear also has Strength 5. Should we make humans count 3 Dots lower?
It's just mechanics.

>>96456342
i don't respect women, i'm just not retarded enough to treat them like some cryptid

>>96456332
What the hell
Why is the human body like this

>>96456346
How much can a bear lift?

>>96456332
Life 3
>>96456364
so fetuses can piss in utero

>>96456366
Let's open v20 to find out.

>>96456332
POV: you've just been selected by the local Tzimisce to become a part of his piss dungeon

>>96456165
>>96456103
Changeling the Dreaming being so boring and ephemeral really is an art form. It takes skill to somehow mess this up. You can do so many things with it, in certain areas and themes, it's even more customizable than Mage, but no, it had to be about dying from boredom in your 30s and being allergic to office cubicles.

>>96456366
>>96456503
He can lift almost 300 kgs

>>96456534
Don't worry, C20 fixed that. Now you can die from boredom at any age as long as you feel old and the cubicle may not kill you if you roll well!

>>96456534
Do you often run games about bored 30 year olds in offices? I never really understood this criticism, it's like complaining about not being able to go sunbathing or attend church in Vampire.

>>96456215 (OP)
>Your last character comes to life right next to you. How fucked are you?
>Red Talon arhoun
Oh god oh fuck

>>96456629
>>96456534
Look, if you are so fond of spending a lot of time in offices or really, any high Banality place, just be a Grump and be immune.

>>96456690
Rest in pieces, laddie

>>96456535
The weirdest part about the strength chart is how it classifies strength 5 as "World Class", when actual world record athlete can lift at the capacity of strength 11.

>>96456660
BECAUSE ITS ABOUT FAE! What fucking fairy has a shorter lifespan than a human? What Elf is Mortal? Even the Werewolves live longer if they focus on their spirit half. If you wanna live long as a Kithain you need to figure out Id and Ego Reincarnation

>>96456292
Anon, most women genuinely can't lift 100 pounds The average untrained woman can lift between 50-75 pounds, only slightly more than strength 1.

>>96456842
yeah but here all humans have piece of God in them, meaning Women are exactly as strong as the Mass Human Conscious wants them to be

>>96456842
>only slightly more than strength 1.
Not even. The feats of strength chart is for effortless lifting. People roll willpower to lift above that. Your average woman would absolutely be strength 1 or Below.

>>96456866
>Women are exactly as strong as the Mass Human Conscious wants them to be
So... weak as shit? Woman like having men be stronger than them and men like being manly for their women.

>>96456798
White Wolf apparently can't Google or forgot to make it a "Strength + Athletics" chart. Memes aside, it's pretty clear that the whole Feat side is supposed to be the main thing.

>>96456821
The fuck are you talking about? They age like normal mortals. (With the exception of that one house who needs Glamour)

>>96456777
kek

>>96456798
>The weirdest part about the strength chart is how it classifies strength 5 as "World Class", when actual world record athlete can lift at the capacity of strength 11.

>>96456901
>White Wolf apparently can't Google or forgot to make it a "Strength + Athletics" chart.

Yeah this is just a common case of the writers not doing research, or since it's V20 more likely a reprint of older writers not doing their research. Nothingburger.

>>96456215 (OP)
>High humanity true faith 4 zealot DA Assamite
Gonna get my ear lectured off, but otherwise, probably as safe as I can hope to be.
Can't say the same about the contemporary Tremere. He hated them even before the curse.

>>96456921
I'll never forgive CtD for creating the "Triggered" slang.
Though I am amazed that the word managed to break into the mainstream despite coming from a niche tumblr community, made of the kind of furries even other furries think are cringe, playing a game that had been effectively canceled in the 90's when it was passed over without getting a revised edition. The butterfly effect is wyld.

>>96457274
Didn't it come from people with PTSD?

>>96457318
Yep, he's just an idiot.

>>96456215 (OP)
>Your last character comes to life right next to you. How fucked are you?

I.. i get to go fight and die for the Union in space? That was an all VE game based off an asteroid right after post DA. Least the pay is good right?

>>96457318
>Took the obvious Bait
Why are autists like this?

>>96456332
Wasn't there a medical condition where urea doesn't stay concentrated in the bladder but seeps through the body causing the afflicted to sweat piss?

>>96456821
>He doesn’t pick up the Fae Eternity merit
NGMI

>>96457664
It is always extremely funny that a merit that gives you incredible longevity, around 1000-1100 years, is just 1 Point for Changeling.

Though the best merit is undoubtedly Regeneration.

>>96457539
>I was just pretending to be retarded
Why are retards like this?

>>96457819
>Be mage
>Can only live a few centuries at most, and that's if you move to the umbra (Thanks ancient mages who convinced each other that living for 900 years was for pussies)
>Be woof
>Die, but live on as a spirit in the afterlife
>Be vampire
>Ranges between instant death in a Sabbat pit to literally forever if you're Caine. Might be able to push things to a few hundred years. Destination: Hell.
>Be changeling
>1000 years if you don't become a wagie. Take it or leave it.
>Oh and probably more if you find magical artifacts.
>Resurrect when your mortal shell passes away
>Do it again.

>>96458076
>Be wraith
>die
>then die again

Reminder that if you're playing WoD and you're not allowed to pull off something like this in a chronicle, your ST is doing it wrong.

>>96458076
Mages and sorcerers have uncapped longevity and better immortality.
Sure, taking a merit shortcut costs more freebies and comes with one obligatory thing that can still harm you, but you can pay more so it'd be a bunch of precious, borderline irreplaceable relics which can be destroyed to rid yourself of that pesky vulnerability for good, or generally warded and stayed the hell away from.

Mages leave because they realise there are more suitable worlds out there, or they get skilled enough that they can create one to their liking, not because Paradox is insurmountable.
I mean. Arcane, and/or starting mage rotes can easily fix any age-based Paradox, just get a new identity twice a century and you're set.

>>96458076
Technically don't some Wolves and other shape changers reincarnate and are able to talk to their past selves like in Avatar: The Last Airbender?

>>96458232
Mages leave because they actually want to enjoy their Archmagedom and not go to hell every time they want to boil water.

And Sorcerers have shit. Because Legendary Alchemist don't grow on trees and even if they do, materials required to brew their longevity potions are as rare as unicorns.

>>96458139
>be soulforged into a shoe sole that sounds like a hitched sob when it squeaks

>>96458251
Past Life is fairly common, but there's like only one woof that genuinely comes back as a cub somewhere within 2000 miles from the place he was killed at. The Russian one, Grayback or Grimderp, or whatever.

>>96458291
desu the whole ''you generate paradox as you age'' itself is super inconsistent and depends on the writer. There's a ton of named NPCs that are close to 1000 years old or more and yet they live on Earth without Paradox bothering them at all, for example Maimonides and Jodi Blake (though the later uses demonic investments to prolong her life).

>>96458291
>Because Legendary Alchemist don't grow on trees and even if they do, materials required to brew their longevity potions are as rare as unicorns.
>Said absolutely nowhere(mostly because the info on sorcerers changes so much that there's less reliable info on them than the reliable info on mummies)

>>96458360
>itself is super inconsistent and depends on the writer.
Depends on paradigm I think. Some paradigms cause more paradox than others.

>>96458331
I think they cosmetically retconned Past Life into Ancestor since it makes more sense in the lore of WtA, but kept the original background for Mage, Mummy and Changeling.

>>96458291
Any wizard player can just fork over two freebies for Unaging, and not worry about anything related to age from then on, or pay more or Immortal or Immunity and be actually immortal with certain caveats.

Any wizard player can work towards perfect immortality in play instead and make longevity potions from stuff as common as coltsfoot meanwhile.

>>96458489
>Immortality is a 2 point merit
>Merits can be bought as backgrounds with xp
>99.9999% of Mages explode from paradox or fail to become immortal
How the hell did the writer justify this?

>>96458076
>be rokea
>have complete immortality, stop aging once reach maturity
>some rokea still swimming around are probably old enough to remember dinosaurs

>>96458626
Damn no wonder Rokea are so hellbent on killing any human born weresharks

>>96458360
>>96458489
? I said Mages leave to enjoy their Archmagedom. It has nothing to do with immortality.

>>96458365
I mean, if you think creating an equivalent of the Philosopher's Stone is easy, be my guest.

>>96458612
Becoming ageless is easy. Surviving is hard against things you might face as a Mage.

>>96458612
Many a writer is a dipshit that deeply hates the game's masters and players even as they use the books for their own wish fulfilment fantasies, but some merits need more than xp, an assistance from a master of life or master alchemist at the very least.

The other poster is an imbecile, though. Which should be blatantly evident from his use of M20 caps.

>>96458626
All of them died in the 90s. Name a more retarded plot point.

>>96458710
and it really is retarded. Rokea are nearly perfectly adapted to underwater life, thanks to being half-spirits. How can you kill an immortal that doesn't need to eat or sleep and can hide, indefinitely at the bottom of the Mariana Trench, or even deeper?
How can you kill a guy that personally saw the Werewolf Purges and survived?
Sure, Shapeshifters generally don't have access to Sorcery, but you telling me some older than History had no Gnosis-based equivalent?

>>96458665
>I mean, if you think creating an equivalent of the Philosopher's Stone is easy, be my guest.
The problem is that there are premade character's whose backstory is "I got to alchemy 6 and used my 6th dot potion to awaken". The order of hermes book also says a lot of their recruits are alchemists that awakened themselves.

>>96458710
the event that killed most of them of happened in the 50s, not the 90s
and it only killed like 60 percent of them off, the breedbook describes that even after the bombing, theyre still the second most numerous fera after the garou themselves

>>96458824
>The order of hermes book also says a lot of their recruits are alchemists that awakened themselves.
you don't have to reach alc 6 to awaken. that's a just more of a way to brute force the process

>The rarity of legendary alchemists is most likely do to mage prejudice convincing them to gimp themselves by awakening.
Grim

>>96458838
Sorcerers have a harder time awakening unless you take the "Struggling awake" merit. Anyone with high alchemy Needs to brute-force it for it to happen at all.

>>96458665
You were brainlessly blathering about immortality being inaccessible, and longevity, which is comparatively easy, requiring rare ingerdients. which is objectively wrong.

It's fairy clear you posited the supremacy of the changeling merit over mages above, which is also wrong. Changeling player pays one freebie and gains only revenant-like longevity (but revenants stop aging entirely if they have access to vampire blood, which most of them do), which can be cancelled out. Mage pays two freebies and is entirely and unconditionally free from all age-related problems.

>>96458709
>The other poster is an imbecile, though. Which should be blatantly evident from his use of M20 caps.
?
Here, Unaging Merit from Revised.

>>96458878
Already posted above you, idiot.

>>96458859
Are you having a brain aneurysm?
>>96458898
Yes, anon got it to...counterpoint my point about Mages having easy immortality? While I was getting it to counterpoint it being from M20 doesn't make it retarded since it also existed before.

I see we're humoring the owod sorcerer sperg again

>>96456215 (OP)
>Org-based hunters are also pejoratively referred to by outsiders as 'jobbers'.

Do you really start jobbing once you join up with an Org?

It's hilarious reading all this.

>>96459028
Honestly, it's weird.

I think Sorcererfag got offended on behalf of Mages, even though the anon he got offended to is also saying Immortality is easy for Mages.

>>96459058
>H5
ew

>>96459058
I have the image from one of the previous threads saved.
Can you really believe that org hunters, which include the Society of Leopold, have no Drive?
H5 is full of retardation like the rest of the 5th Edition.

>>96459028
>>96459067

I'm kinda hoping to get some insight on sorcerers on what paths are the most powerful or the easiest to use in general; however, the only conclusion I've come to is that the gun is going to be better most of the time.

It seems absurd that in order to use any of it at high levels.

Just finished playing in my first WoD chronicle. 60000 dead civilians, Hawaii has been effectively destroyed, and the nefandus got away. 100 mile wide category 7 hurricane, magnitude 9 earthquake, the volcano erupted, we detonated enough prime enhanced explosives to equal several nukes and the Naga summoned 7 paradox sprits.

The DM said we got the neutral ending.

>>96459115
You destroyed Hawaii. No matter the case that's always a net positive.

>>96456215 (OP)
we will be having sex

>>96459115
Sounds like a good chronicle to me, I envy your position.
And hey, look at the bright side. If it were an Earthbound or an Archnephandus, that hurricane could have been half the planet and the death toll in billions.

>>96458709
>Many a writer is a dipshit that deeply hates the game's masters and players even as they use the books for their own wish fulfilment fantasies
This has been a problem with WoD for 30 years: they farm out their design to freelancers and spend no time tying together plot points or considering gameplay. It’s just the way it’s always been and the way it will ever be.

>>96459058
>>96459099
H5 really embodies the hyper-liberal individualist spirit of WoD and gives the middle finger to Hunter the Vigil's concept of cool hunter factions that grant benefits to hunters who work for them.

No, true hunters stick it to the man and don't allow themselves to be absorbed into any corporate structure. True hunters are driven by their own inner fire and personal motivation, not by membership to a cult or a special club. To join an org is to sell out, to sell your soul, to give up your own fight and allow yourself to be defined by a group. You stop rebelling against the darkness of the night and just become another cog in a machine, a bootlicker.

>>96459108
Alchemy or Brewing, Enchantment, Ephemera, Conveyance is the most common cabal speciality spread for a reason.
Enchanted gun with enchanted bullets and enchanted trinkets to make shooting easier is a great simple solution. Unless you're up against mages or woofs that have anti-firearms tricks.
But you generally should fight less than other splats as a sorcerer, and never, ever fight fair. Leave that silly business to woofs and vampires.

>>96459156
But that's what happens in Vigil too.

>>96459136
>You destroyed Hawaii. No matter the case that's always a net positive.
Why?

>>96459140
That a naturally occurring hurricane that got amplified by the paradox spirits. The Nefandus was after a talon of the wyrm.

>>96459140
It was a multispalt of compounding retardation. We played our characters like murderous psychopaths with third world impulse control. If the DM wasn't being lenient we would be rolling humanity at least twice a session.
Shinzui Industries is now in charge of rebuilding

>>96459178
Vigil's approach is a lot more nuanced and multi-faceted. Compacts and conspiracies offer very real mechanical benefits to the player characters. Groups like the Ashwood Abbey or Cheiron Group, where they are intentionally evil, are uncommon. Most of these Hunter groups have good goals. However, being in a compact or conspiracy comes with restrictions. You have obligations, party lines you must toe, bosses you have to report to. They might even be compromised by the very monsters that you should be hunting.

The independent Hunter by contrast, has none of the advantages and none of the disadvantages. You can say that you don't need the backing of an organization, but even ignoring endowments and the like, being indie means that fundamentally you are limited in scope. You can't mobilize dozens if not hundreds of allies for all hands on deck situations. You have nobody but the cell you forged with your own hands to fall back on. You lack the financial or intelligence support structures that can cover your living expenses and get you easy leads.

Vigil actually takes the time to tackle the reasons why humans tend to congregate into groups and hierarchies, their benefits, and also their weaknesses.

>>96459234
You know the funniest thing about this? The last HTR material we got, in W20, included an Imbued at the head of a private military company, infiltrating Pentex.
It was a sign of good things to come. I know my friends and I were very excited about H20. Before Paradox shut it down in favor of the 5th Edition.

I finally made my way into a group running Dark Ages. It's gonna be my first pen and paper game ever. Gonna play a Cappadocian since I don't think I'd get to in normal vtm. I'm kinda nervous.

>>96459345
Good luck, anon! And just roll with the flow, don't get hung up on things and you'd do fine.

>>96459345
Your first game is always nerve-wrecking.
Mine was, what, 3rd Edition D&D in our university fantasy club. I didn't know anything beyond that I needed to roll dice. No lore, no metagaming, no idea of what is good or bad, nothing but "I want to play X"
I created my first character with the help of the DM and it all started from there.

Good luck and have fun.

>>96459166
Yeah. All those listed sounds great, but i'm not sure how it'd make them better than mages in some aspects. I can see how it'd be the case for alchemy and enchantment but that's heavily gm dependent. I don't know enough spirits and their demeanor to know if Ephemera is worth the effort. Conveyance actually seems to be the most useful for staying alive and what gms won't care about too much.

Maybe i'm just uncreative, but are you telling me all of those listed are worth putting up to at least 1 to 3 dots in a chronicle? More so with miser storytellers?

>>96459335
Oh that's an interesting idea, I'm not typically fond of crossover myself but infiltration is a tactic rarely used by hunters. Wonder how they were planning on developing th-

>Lord Aludian Thex
Oh god what is the Death Anus guy doing here?

>>96459189
Probably because Oprah lost her mansion in the process

>>96459218
>Shinzui Industries is now in charge of rebuilding
Maybe I should check how Sunburst Computers stocks are doing...

>>96459345
Also, if you struggle with making a good character look through the Clanbook and Guide to High Clans and pick the one you like.

>>96459391
>Oh god what is the Death Anus guy doing here?
Last I checked, Void Suck guy is basically whoring himself to Pentex and got into the Board of Directors as a rival to Zettler.

>>96459234
>>96459178
The main issue with H5's approach is that it doesn't even allow org hunters as an option. It makes a strong moral judgement and outright bans the playing of them because being a slave to the machine is a game over scenario as far as the individualist mindset of the World of Darkness is concerned.

>>96459067
>I think Sorcererfag got offended on behalf of Mages
I did not. Some Magefag anon stepped into the convo After I sperged about sorcerers.

>>96459441
How much fucking kickstarter money did abyss ass vore guy give them to show up everywhere?

>>96459474
...a lot of money

>>96459369
>alchemy and enchantment but that's heavily gm dependent.
>gm
D&Dfag detected
ignoring autism, enchantment is Not ST dependant on its basic abilities. It allows you to create items that add a dicepool or difficulty reduction equal to your path rating for an Attribute, ability, or other dice roll. Talismans of different types stack.
An enchantment 5 sorcerer can add +5 dice to dex, +5 dice to firearms, -5 diff to firearms rolls, enchant a sniper-rifle to have 5 extra damage dice, and enchant the bullets so damage dice are rolled at -5 difficulty. That is the basic, always-works capability. Think of it like the "Always allowed" effects in the D&D wish spell(and it's just as unbalanced)
The things that are up to ST approval are things outside of this, like a magic item that turns you invisible or read minds.

>>96459391
>>96459441
>>96459474
>>96459495
Can I get a qrd on this guy, first time I ever hear of him. Did some guy with an anal vore fetish dump so much money they decided it's worth including in the actual material?

>>96459519
D&D would be DM tho.

>>96459529
guy pays onyx path kickstarters so that his OCs keeps showing up in the books

>>96459533
Term technically started back when Blackmoor dropped. So while technically not wrong anon is still an sperg.

>>96459529
I have zero hard evidence for my claim, but here's my supporting evidence.

>during the midpoint of 20th oWoD and 2nd Edition nWoD/CofD, OPP was pretty reliant on kickstarter funds for getting books made.
You can see evidence of this with the quite lengthy backer list on later V20 books.

>Aludian Thex reads like an OC of the worst variety.
He invented a power that requires him to take it up the ass, and yet the medieval Lasombra "prize him as a merciless killer and true magister"? And apparently he features in Beckett's Jyhad Diary and is making a move into the good graces of Pentex?

This is how I mage

>>96459529
He is an ancient Lasombra Methuselah...who is a spy and courtier...who gets respect from his clan even though he gets his ass fucked.

He is full-on Gary Sue and a shame for all Methuselahs.

>>96459108
>however, the only conclusion I've come to is that the gun is going to be better most of the time.
A gun is generally better than trying to cast a spell in combat. The big strength of sorcerers is that rituals they can accumulate a shit-ton of successes for. On top of that, every path is capable of making magic items through rituals, the enchantment path can just isn't limited to path-adjacent effects for crafting.
>I'm kinda hoping to get some insight on sorcerers on what paths are the most powerful
>Enchantment
It lets you get ridiculous dicepools at ridiculously low diff. It basically boosts every other path.
>Alchemy
Copy low level powers from any splat, immortality, make items better in every way, and some dice-pool boosters that aren't as strong as enchantment, but stack with enchantment.
>Summoning/Binding/Warding
Summoning friends, bind enemies, and make portable wards that fuck your enemys dicepools(think wound penalties equal to your path rating, but they apply to EVERYTHING, including Soak)
>Mana Manipulation
Important for sorcerers for all the reason Prime is important to mages. Mana lets you not just lower difficulties, but also gives reverse-threshold(lower success requirement/extra successes). On top of that it lets you manipulate resonance, which also lowers difficulty for paths. Finally, the 4th dot power is one of the gateways to justifying buying merits with XP.
The S20 "Quintessence Manipulation" path is an abomination.

>>96459461
which is extra ironic as H5 was made under the most corporate, bootlicking phase of WoD in a setting synonymous with basing everything off of corpo-leftist perspectives.

>>96459519
>>96459519

I see now. Thank you for the clarification. I guess I misremembered then. I thought you had to go on quest such as gaining vampire vitae or werewolves paw in order to perform certain high tier effects. I thought for both alchemy and enchantment you needed ingredients for everything and the person running the game could make that as tedious as possible.

>>96459653
Oh it does, sorcererfag is skipping a lot of things. Like going after for Werewolf dung or powerful Enchantments, straight up failing or needing to be fixed after every use etc.

>>96459639
While the rainbow capitalist politically correct slop of the Paradox era is pretty garbage, the original giga-liberal individualist attitude of the World of Darkness has always been pretty kitschy and cringe in its own way.

>>96459689
>I thought you had to go on quest such as gaining vampire vitae or werewolves paw in order to perform certain high tier effects.
Only alchemy requires things like werewolf fur and vampire blood. Enchantment just needs a block of wood and a carving knife if it fits your paradigm.
>Exerpt from Alchemy
Anon, that's not even the right path. That's from Alchemy 5

>>96459719
>Need to link: >>96459653

>>96459719
I am showing you things you are skipping. I put the werewolf dung there because it was funny and shows you need it for Alchemy. The rest is Enchantment.

But the enchantment also need a workshop, interesting ingredients and most of the time, you to be skilled in a craft. And just as I showed off in the previous post, it usually needs to be redone, reapplied or worse, can fail completely in places.

>>96459747
>"Crafting a talisman, even a minor one, calls for a certain degree of craftsmanship, which some enchanters and some...well..."
>But the enchantment also need a workshop, interesting ingredients and most of the time, you to be skilled in a craft.
Book quote seems to disagree with you.

>>96459747
>I am showing you things you are skipping. I put the werewolf dung there because it was funny and shows you need it for Alchemy.
So you edited the screenshot and are trying to backtrack on getting caught?

>>96459369
I didn't say they were better than mages (for mages extended casting is a matter of turns, their offensive magic doesn't have a damage cap and they don't have other in-built limitations, one sphere gives a benefit of 3+paths, about the only sorcerer thing they are unable to get is diff modifiers lower than -3 in latter editions).
Without diligent prepping they can will get bowled over by woofs and vamps because their spontaneous effects are rather ineffectual. With, though, well, >>96459519 and >>96459634 already explained why they can be powerful. To add what they say Divination is fabulous at getting early warning for any trouble.

>>96459782
Nta but are you blind? The end of the first paragraph says hunt for magical ingredients and spends most of their time in laboratory.
And the quote says you need certain degree of craftsmanship, with the implication of not having it being shoddy and not working.

>>96459634
>make portable wards that fuck your enemys dicepools(think wound penalties equal to your path rating, but they apply to EVERYTHING, including Soak)
I can only image the horror of standing next to a SBW 5 shaman holding an anti-human ward. All your attributes are now -3

>>96459782
>>96459788
>>96459813
First off, you are either so tunnel-focused that you don't read or you are fucking with me. Or perhaps you don't have reading comprehension.
Second, unlike you, I don't spam the thread and can only post a single image, thus I quickly got the screenshots for the parts you are skipping while explaining to the anon.
Third, please stop with multiposing, you are already sperging enough.

>>96459719
>>96459747
It depends on your approach, a nanotech scientist needs sophisticated machinery, not unicorn dung and moth-bitten relics, and Alchemy, being all about transmutation and refinement of material essences allows you to just take more time and refine ingredients into what you need them to be, just as enchanter could get materials produced by an alchemist to good use.

>>96458185
Fagime belongs in the trash, not here.

>>96459857
Retard.

>>96459857
Only one of those posters is me. I'm a sperg, but not That much of a sperg.

>>96459877
>>96459881
In which case, I apologize. It really looked like multiposting.

>>96459818
So get both Alchemy and Echantment together so that I can basement-build everything rather than have to hunt for elf poop?

>>96459890
No, from OG Sorcerer to Revised Sorcerer to M20, all of them make mention of pursuing exotic, high-quality materials.

Sounds like sorcery can be pretty good but it requires the gm to be willing to entertain it becoming busted unlike the demon the fallen malefactor power.

>>96459634
What is wrong with Quintessence Manipulation in comparison to Mana Manipulation? Don't they basically do the same thing?

>>96459890
Poop helps some sorcereres, but only if they believe it helps. Some sorcerer might need to make a blood sacrifice for some spells, but not necessarily every spell, and not every sorcerer needs sacrifices.
Most practices have complications. Like, herbalist Brewers can do stuff with common herbs, but they need to properly harvest and preserve them, they would be shit out of luck midwinter if their greenhouse and stock burns down. Scientists need complex tech and intensive R&D for an effect the resident dung sperg would get by smearing unicorn dung over himself.

If you wan't material-free, complication-free casting, go psychic. Some of them make use of foci, but they're aberrants and exceptions.

>>96459918
>mundane ingredients
You really lack reading comprehension, aren't you, anon? Nowhere it says that all components need to be supernatural and unobtainable, and even exotic substances might be noble metals, ivory, ebony, galantus, golden orb spider silk, stuff like that.
The only place where supernatural creature body parts are mentioned at all as a requirement is if you're trying to copy the specific supernatural power of the specific supernatural creature.

>>96459918
That's what Alchemy is for Anon. Access to rare magical reagents isn't a limiter when I can make them myself.

>>96459951
>What is wrong with Quintessence Manipulation in comparison to Mana Manipulation? Don't they basically do the same thing?
No. Sorcerers can't hold quintessence unlike mana, which mean multiple powers in the path and multiple merits only last for 1 turn. The new path also requires the sorcerer hunt for specific resonances of Tass to function at all, so you end up needing several stories to get -3 diff on one roll, Once.
It's retarded.

>>96459605
based

>>96460081
>The only place where supernatural creature body parts are mentioned at all as a requirement is if you're trying to copy the specific supernatural power of the specific supernatural creature.
DESU if you know woofs exist getting some of their dung, or better yet hair isn't really an issue. They don't clean after themselves, you know, and anything furry inevitably leaves hair in their passing, especially when it's their shedding season.

>>96459951
>Sounds like sorcery can be pretty good but it requires the gm to be willing to entertain it becoming busted
No, it requires your ST not make a bunch of houserules specifically to nerf sorcery, which an anon in their thread is pretending is the default of all tables. Even werewolves would be pretty lackluster if the ST banned their basic abilities.

>>96460137
Not an argument. Requiring werewolf fur for shit that isn't copying werewolf powers is ST overreach. Imagine if an ST demanded vampires needed werewolf blood to use physical disciplines.

>>96459984
>If you wan't material-free, complication-free casting, go psychic.
This is a strawman. Anon is arguing you don't need shit from random supernaturals unless you're specifically copying their powers with alchemy. "Exotic/Esoteric materials" can be shit like a specific flower you harvested under the full moon with a blessed boline.

>>96460159
thaum rituals have item requirment and one in the old sabbat books (that gave you a garou warform for a night) required a werewolf pelt

>>96460159
I agree with you, I'm just saying the issue isn't as big as the resident sperg makes it out to be, since woof's hair is so easy to acquire and between werewolf innate abilities and rank 1-3 gifts you can get pretty much all you'd ever need, even stuff other supernaturals have real trouble with.
>>96460204
Far from every ritual, and even those that do rarely need something difficult to source. And it's just a wolf pelt, you're confusing it with Haight's ritual (which is permanent, not temporary).

>TQ
He would beat me to death for making his life miserable.

>>96454999
She comes from french nobility and built her own court in our setting. She heard rumours about my kinfolk looking for "folklore about roses" (his family has a past with spirits of this kind) and competed against him in a high-end gambling cardgame table (i.e. meeting with a bunch of old, rich gossip ladies). Since my character has Intuition and Faerie Lore, he tested to see if she was a Fae and got it right.
After that, she became interested in him and offered him (after a good amount of roleplay) to become her "advisor" on matters relating Fae-Garou coexistence. But she also was interested in his alchemy and asks him now and then some stuff. Within time, she became enamorated with him and tries to be arround him from time to time. I also roleplay some love aspect within my character because Appareance 6+ is supernatural and he doesn't notice he's being charmed by her, even though he truly has affection for her. I theorize some Garou noticed he's being captivated by her Sidhe magic, but they didn't alert him because this would sour the little trust he has on other people he's trying to build up slowly.
One of her aims is to be free from her filthy-rich, corrupted, hedonistic mortal family and build a legend of her own as a Fae.
(cont.)

>>96454999
>>96460255
The bad side is her being manipulative and try to push herself on my kinfolk's business to the point she surrounds herself with people my character cares so she's always present, even if people are only talking about her. Denying her her desires is not always a chore - she can understand a simple "no" -, but when you have courage enough to speak "no", you already see yourself around her fingers. Sometimes even willingly calling her to join you at your tasks because your brain says to you "Well, you know you can call her to help, even if it's uncomfortable sometimes".
I like her as a character.
Also my kinfolk made a Promise/Pact/Oath with her to have a threesome "The Mists of Avalon" style so she can have a child with another Garou my kinfolk will choose for her to marry, and in exchange she won't involve his Fianna boyfriend in her schemes.

>>96460230
>Haight's ritual
Reminder that this guy is a complete failure of a sorcerer that needed the direct intervention of the wyrm and the death of 5 werewolves to make a "Become a werewolf" ritual, something a master alchemist could wip-up in 2 months with just some fur, blood, or dung(and it'd work for non-kinfolk too).

>>96460191
>Anon is arguing you don't need shit from random supernaturals unless you're specifically copying their powers with alchemy. "Exotic/Esoteric materials" can be shit like a specific flower you harvested under the full moon with a blessed boline.
Well, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm just mentioning sorcerers because they are a valid option for someone who doesn't want to deal with special needs and occult chaff.

>>96460270
Haight has a grudge against werewolves, for him needing to kill five of them is a bonus.

>>96460270
Wrong.
You need to add on top of those ingredients a werewolf cock in crinos form.

>>96460287
>sorcerers
I meant to say psychics, you get the idea.

>>96460309
>every ritual needs a cock
STFU Goratrix

>>96459634
Another thing to note is the interaction between paths.
Alchemy can let you make rare normally scarce materials necessary for the rituals in other paths.
Mana Manipulation lets you hoard metric shit-tons of mana to bribe summoned spirits and fetishes with so that they listen to you. Enchantment allow you to boost the dicepools of other paths(the diff mods aren't as helpful since mana and resonance can get -3 to all spells pretty easily though).

>>96456215 (OP)
Pubes status of your current character?

>>96460415
I’m playing a punk rock Malkavian twink who was turned during a brief bout of homelessness lasting roughly two weeks, so probably pretty bushy. He hasn’t showered since his Embrace either, so, probably pretty stinky too.

>>96456821
Any Changeling becomes immortal if they don't leave their local Freehold/the Dreaming. Not even their mortal bodies will die or age.

>>96460382
>the diff mods aren't as helpful since mana and resonance can get -3 to all spells pretty easily though
Diff mods from trinkets are very nice to have when you need to make many rolls under pressure when things gone pear-shaped and you can't/won't Conveyance out for some reason, for example when your chantry gets attacked or when there's a legendary artefact or grimoire, or something else equally important on the line and a bunch of left-handers or zealots would acquire it otherwise.

>>96460472
>Conveyance out
Nope-out teleporting is more of a conjuration thing. Conjuration is the teleportation, telekinesis, and bag of holding path. Conveyance is for flying broomsticks, making portals and limited time-travel.

>>96460495
Conjuration is summoning objects and telekinesis. Conveyance is people, fast travel and teleportation. Emergency escape is the classic and most common use of Conveyance.

>>96460516
Just checked, and you're right. My bad.

>>96460516
>summoning objects
You can summon animals and people too, it's just harder. Can't telekinesis them though.

>>96460472
Weird to think about, but aren't Conjuration, Conveyance, Fascinate, Divination, and Healing just slower and more powerful version of the psychic equivalents?(corresponding to Telekinesis, Psychoportation, Psychic Hypnosis, Precognition/Psychometry/Clairvoyance, and Psychic Healing, respectively)

>>96460543
No prob.
>let's split three of mage's sphere functions into different paths so people get confused
Is the classic Sorcerer, really.

Hunter went the other way, it fused Correspondence and Time into Spacetime, Matter and Forces into Elements and removed the whole invisible observer crap and other complications.
The result is still not good because they fucked up actual rules for no reason (there's no damage rules for Elements, Foundation isn't used as, well, Foundation, some levels have different rolling rules for no reason), but you gotta appreciate the attempt, and it's nothing you can't houserule into something usable with like two corrections.

Rate my Sabbat Pack idea: The R&D Department. A pack consisting of a Tzimisce, Lasombra (specifically an abyss mystic), a Harbinger of Skulls, and a Tremere Antitribu. Their immediate goal is the mass production of disposable minions and their long-term goal is to create something that will replace shovelheads entirely, which they see as weak, unreliable, and highly wasteful. They each have their own specialty in minion-making, and try to cross-over their abilities whenever possible. Such as having the Abyss Mystic use the oubliette to recover the corpses of slain szlachta, which the Harbinger can then reanimate.

Their main weakness is that, since all of them are quite specialized into creating minions, none of them are that good in a fight, so if you can find them and attack when they're light on guards, they'd be fairly easy to dispatch.

>>96460578
Sorcerer's complexity allows them to harness greater power, psychics trade that away for not needing occult trappings and anything but their mind.

>>96460606
>anon wants to re-create the team that made blood brothers and vozhds

>>96460622
The pack doesn't want to recreate what came before, they want to create something new, the perfect soldier that will crush the camarilla and antediluvians alike!

>>96460682
Same idea, lol. I like it tho, godspeed.

>>96460699
Thanks. No idea if I'll get an opportunity to use them any time soon. they've definitely got delusions of grandeur but zombie szlachta could be a bitch on their own

>>96460613
Unless you play S20, then psychics get their powers faster, at the same strength, and cheaper than sorcerers. They also get a power that gives them effectively unlimited willpower.

What tradition would be the most antagonistic towards a technocratic eugenics project?
The idea is that the PCs are supposed to solve a serial killer case. They target "designer babies" and child prodigies because they will pollute humanity with their artificial nature, and the technocrats are behind most of their births and educations.

>>96459136
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRaC2Rx3BVY

>>96460894
Verbena, hands down. They're all about nature, natural, savage brutality and hatred of all things progressive and artificial.

>>96460894
Verbena
Celestial Chorus

>>96460911
Other than lilithists. Then it's a bugnuts feminist Abrahamic heresy with menstrual blood fetish.

>>96460894
V*rbena
Euthanatoi
Dreamspeaker, if you want a curveball, something like the emptiness of their souls leaves room for some far worse spirit to come to this side of the veil.

>>96460925
>Celestial Chorus
They'd be on board if you phrase it right. Just tell them you're trying to breed the perfect vessel for jesus's resurrection.

>>96460894
The most obvious would be verbena/euthanatos/chorister who's of the opinion that eugenics messes with natural selection/the wheel of fate/god's plan.
Alternatively:
A dreamspeaker whose people had their reproductive rights taken away once and is now out to stick it to the technocrats in return for what they did to their people.

>>96460971
I doubt it, because the whole " Man is inhertly flawed/ect" maybe a select few of them? Not thats it.

>>96460971
Religious organizations have historically been the most vocal opponents of designer babies/stem cell research and such, so that's gonna be a hard sell.
Plus, implying you'd be able to, or need to, create a vessel for jesus's resurrection yourself would be considered sacrilege.

>>96460721
Would you be willing to elaborate? At least you can in theory push your attributes and skills beyond 5+ but you can't do that with willpower. The unlimited willpower is less clear to me.

>>96460971
>Just tell them you're trying to breed the perfect vessel for jesus's resurrection.
That would imply humanity could do a better job than G*d could

>>96460971
I wouldn't go that far...
But my chorister player was onboard with cloning as long as all clones receive spiritual guidance and equal rights to natural born.

>>96461000
>The unlimited willpower is less clear to me.
Psychic vampirism. At high levels a psychic vampire can just tag some people across the city and endlessly drain willpower point remotely from thousands of people. Basically lets them spend willpower on every roll and use their psychic powers whenever they want.

>>96461010
He already said Celestial Chorus. They'd get called heretics and go to civil war with the other heretics no matter what.

>>96460896
In all honesty Hawaii is probably one of the greatest victories for the Wyrm on the planet. A once vibrant culture and ecosystem ground down and made the playground for the elite. Remember when those "wildfires" happened and a bunch of residents were seemingly purposefully killed, then developers came in and bought all the land.

>>96460953
>Dreamspeaker, if you want a curveball, something like the emptiness of their souls leaves room for some far worse spirit to come to this side of the veil.
>>96460971
>A dreamspeaker whose people had their reproductive rights taken away once and is now out to stick it to the technocrats in return for what they did to their people.
Sounds like an interesting angle, especially when one of the pairs of twins is made up of native Hawaiians.

>>96461264
Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone?
They paved Paradise, put up a parking lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2595abcvh2M

>>96458665
>caring about immortality as a mage
>xe needs more than one life time to ascend

>>96461264
It's just too good, it's an irresistible place to put boats. They were doomed the first time empire existed anywhere in the world.

>>96460454
Congrats! Now get yourself a Giovanni sugar daddy.

Drawfag here, with an update on that O'Tooley's sketch! Would you eat the Mega-Flesh burger?

>>96461442
That is a very tall manager.

>>96461471
Being a Company Man has its perks!

>>96456215 (OP)
>TQ
My last character was a pretty terrifying Tzimisce, however he had a mental compulsion to count things that fell on the floor so I figure I could just knock everything off my desk and run away while his OCD kicks in.

>>96461442
>Would you eat the Mega-Flesh burger?
I can't afford fast food.

>>96461554
Don't worry, O' Tooley's still has a dollar menu....

>>96461554
>I can't afford fast food.
Me neither. I'm forced to grow my own vegetables in a garden and make meals and spread them out. I'm practically a Bone Gnawer kinfolk now.

>>96461442
Neat stuff, pretty surreal.
>>96461478
Like standing blowjobs.

Figure this is the best place for it. With spooky season approaching, should the old /schreck/ threads be brought back? I had fun in them, although it did get a bit shitty at the end.

>>96461442
Still better than the average Popeye's.

>>96461693
You do you, just post a link here when you make the thread. That should be enough to keep it alive for a couple days.

>>96461693
I was a long-time poster there that eventually stopped due to feeling like I had nothing left to say or any prompts to respond to... I'd say it'd be fine to give it another try.

My suggestion is to keep it strictly seasonal so it doesn't suffer burnout, forces storyposters to set definite conclusions rather than just keep dragging on and on. Maybe like late September to late November? A little over two months should keep it fresh.

Also, maybe clarify the statement in the OP about how canon is nebulous and you're allowed to play with things, in a way that doesn't encourage calling everything you don't like fake and gay. Of course, it's vampires, so IC hostility is fine... but I felt like there was always a soft war between people who wanted to IC lorefag and cross-splat vs people who wanted to keep things vague. I understand finding a good wording can be herculean, essentially I'd say something that provides old and new posters a basis in which they can IC dismiss stories that don't pass the vibe check for them without turning into any genuine hostility.

>>96461442
>No. 15: O'Tooley's Foot Lettuce

>>96461709
Popeyes is still superior to KFC and Cane's.

>>96460116
Sounds like the ST should just allow them to make some kind of quint storing device or a cool magitech battle harness they can infuse with quintessence for battle where the reserve operates like a battery

>>96461790
Or, and hear me out on this, you just use sorcerer revised. Mana being retconned is just one of many game-breaking nerfs in s20. The amount of houserules you need to make it work is just not worth it. s20 isn't even referenced by any of the wod20 books, they tell you to use revised. It was a completely unplanned unplanned last-minute update that wasn't part of the original mage20 line-up, it's literally non-canon in its own edition.

>>96460606
I have a similar idea I don’t want to throw out but yes I’ve absolutely been considering how gargoyles, vohzd, sclatcha, and blood brothers all have unique strengths and weaknesses

>>96461779
Eh, this isn't true anymore. KFC recently tossed out their garbage "extra crispy"(read cheap) chicken and went back to their original recipes for most of the menu. Like how dominoes had a couple years of good management that stopped all the corner-cutting to serve actually good pizza, at least for a little bit until the shareholders changed the management again to increase profit margins by running the company into the ground(these professional stock-traders need to be removed and forced to get real jobs).

>>96461779
But how many weekly instances of Purely Socioeconomic Factors do KFC and Cane's have?

>>96461693
It's already spooky season. For this reason "Summerween" is a thing now.

>>96461568
The Cookery gift doesn't even sound supernatural. That's what all pots do after you give up but you're still making your own meals.

>>96461954
Because if Christmas just jumps the line over Thanksgiving on Nov 1st, there needs to be a countermeasure.

>>96462056
We should have spooky season all year long desu.
Summerween, Halloween, revive the centuries old tradition of winter ghost stories and for spring... I dunno man, put flowers in skulls or something.

>>96461842
>s20 isn't even referenced by any of the wod20 books, they tell you to use revised
Yes, because WoD20 is just WoD with some little changes. You can use any previous edition stuff with it.
It was supposed to be a recollection edition to celebrate 20 years, but developers lost that on the way and now we have Sorcerer20.

>>96461954
Despite Halloween being my favorite holiday, I may just boycott it over this shit. Christmas is already unbearable. I don't want corporations to ruin everything I love.

>>96462254
One could argue that Halloween is already saturated and ruined, so ruining it further isn't really possible. It exists in corporate awareness mainly as an excuse to sell candy, pre-fab costumes, and risque "costumes". This is just to jab the crowd that thinks there's a "War on Christmas" and thinks that Halloween is "Satanic". Because they have it coming.

I updated this Pentex Ferectoi picture! I improved her environment suit, and the designs of her fomori handler and Nephandi "teacher". I also refined the design of her centipede pet.

>>96462254
You should be more nervous. Halloween is the only fit rival to Christmas, animatronic Santas would already be here if Halloween costumes weren't occupying the shelf space, so what is Christmas planning that's provoking Halloween like that?

>>96462273
>so ruining it further isn't really possible
People said the same about anime. They were wrong.

>>96462254
desu I haven't seen any "major" (i.e. Disney tier) corpos get in the Summerween trend.
I've mostly seen: goth pool parties/luaus becoming popular and one independent goth musician drop a Summerween album this year.
Plus three gacha games doing summer events about "summer vacation, but this time we have ghosts" this year for absolutely no reason.

What're some good inspiration for a Geist the Sin Eaters game (aside from the ones listed in the book)

lol, you guys let the sorcerer sperg out so much.
>>96461442
I can feel how unclean it is across the screen, great job.
>>96461693
Go for it, they bring novelty when they run every other month or so.
>>96462290
Nice.
You know, across like, 25 years of playing this game, I never had the opportunity to play Fomori. It's probably impossible to find a freak legion game these days though.

>>96462290
Neat!

>>96461866
Meh, I noticed nothing special about KFC when I tried it again recently.

>these professional stock-traders need to be removed and forced to get real jobs
Bring back the high marginal tax rates we had until Reagan's big giveaway to the rich.

>>96464063
But that would cost the people banking him several billion dollars! Of course they are going to fund someone who doesn't feel like doing that into office.

>>96460097
>"making" things through alchemy

>>96458710
>Name a more retarded plot point.
The Hecata
>and then all the 6+ different world spanning factions and subfactions with a long long history of killing eating torturing and hunting each other down as well as extremely clashing worldviews decided to all team up simply because they all like to poke dead things :^)

>>96460710
Zombie shadow stone brothers vozhd!

>>96464369
The set-up for the Giovanni's usurpation was already there, no idea why they didn't use it in a less jank way.

>>96464331
Are you that pedantic when your mother says she made a meal?

>>96461442
Uhh what's in the secret sauce?
Looks sticky. Good.

>>96462433
It has been a while but odds are you can copy and paste Silent Hill as a Gheist plotline.

>>96464369
They gave some hints as to why that happened
>the Capuchin manipulated everyone
>the agreement of 1528 was set to expire in a few years.
They could have made it less ridiculous if they’d just spelled it out a little more clearly.

Do people think merits in old world of darkness is overpowered or maybe over rated?

>>96464665
Most merits are overpriced or niche. Every now and then you get some outliers like Enchanting Voice that feel like must picks for a type of character.

>>96464665
Merits are like most thing in WoD ruleset - extremely poorly balanced. Most are garbage, some are useful, and rare few like Lucky or Eidetic Memory are absolutely busted.

>>96464369
All the crafts in M20 plus all orphans and hollow ones uniting to become the disparates. I'd say that the treatment crafts get over the different editions is a thinly-veiled metaphor for what minorities and niche cultures go through, but the writers probably don't see the irony at all. lol

>>96464665
Hot take. More things should be overpowered. If everything is busted, nothing is.

>>96464593
I think the main problem with the whole Hecate thing is that I can't see Giovanni, a clan of merchants and necromancers that clawed it's way to the top among vampires, actually showing how weak they are these days by allying with their own enemies.
Like, a few years ago they had 20+ million wraiths imprisoned and they were getting ready to cause a nuclear apocalypse.

The only thing even worse in V5 is Lasombra and how nonsensical the whole "joining" Camarilla is. Nevermind the Camarilla's demans.

>>96464665
Most Merit and Flaws aren't worth it but are there to give flavor to your character.

>>96465154
>a clan of merchants and necromancers that clawed it's way to the top among vampires, actually showing how weak they are these days by allying with their own enemies.
>Like, a few years ago they had 20+ million wraiths imprisoned and they were getting ready to cause a nuclear apocalypse.

You know I'm going to be honest I never really found the Giovanni lore plausible. They usurped a much larger and more important clan than the Tremere did, did so without any aggressive propaganda to muddy the waters, and have been getting away with neither sect seriously fucking with them for 500 years? Married with how mind-bogglingly stupid Augustus's final plan is, I don't believe he could've pulled something like that off.

The other 3 independent clans get a lot of (deserved) flak, but I'd argue that the Giovanni are just as bad as the Assamites in terms of questionable writing and wildly fluctuating importance/power. They, like the others, work a lot better as a smaller faction on the sidelines. It even makes Augie's ghostpocalypse plan make more sense.

>>96465230
> Augie's ghostpocalypse plan
What was this?

>>96465230
I think it's mostly because of four things.

A) Unlike Saulot, Cappadocius was actually stupid. Dude straight up lost everything but his soul. There was no Cappadocius that was inside Augustus hampering his ability to lead his clan.
B) Necromancy is busted when used liberally. No other Clan, not even Tremere, could counter it perfectly. Sure, Ward against Wraiths and Spirits and such exists but for every Chantry with it, there are 100 places that don't have it. The Underworld is also full of goodies, relics and information that other clans can't get.
C) Camarilla was in hard times. Tzimisce, Ventrue and Tremere fighting with armies and ghouls and whatever. There was a demon invasion in Poland. The whole Transylvania BS. Giovanni was in the perfect place to rise with everyone else too busy to stop them.
D) Unity. Sure, they aren't Tremere level with the Pyramid or Ventrue with their Ethic of Succor but Giovanni is mostly being their own family, did give them more unity than say, Lasombra "We ruin the lives of our childe before embrace" or Gangrel "We leave them to survive for a while after embrace"

>>96465303
The Endless Night, where they destroy the Shroud and let the living and the dead mix. They needed around 100.000.000 Wraiths for it. By 1999, they had 1/4 of it ready. They planned to cause a nuclear apocalypse for the rest when they reached half of it, to finish the other half quickly.

>>96465346
Huh. That plan sounds absolutely idiotic.

>>96465346
>Augustus doesn't even know
lol

>>96465303
Stockpile ghosts, destroy the shroud (the thing that keeps ghosts out of the physical world), and then drown the world in a ghost army.

>>96465305
Problem is Augie is the kind of retard to think drowning the world in ghosts is a good idea. Cappadocius might have been an abject dumbass, and I could be convinced that Augie could overthrow him. I can't be convinced he'd maneuver his clan into a position of serious power large enough to ward the sects away and enact a treaty so insanely favorable to the Giovanni. Even a very cunning person would struggle with that, and what Vampire lore often tends to forget is that your average Elder is at the very least highly intelligent and charismatic, if not superhumanly so. Even if Cappy is an idiot that killed off the competent members of his own clan, all the other players in Italy aren't dumb and used to very long term planning.

Not to mention from an out of setting perspective, when building a city I rarely have an idea for a Giovanni that doesn't work better as a Ventrue, Brujah, Lasombra, Tzimisce, or other necromancy bloodline. The Gios are second best at multiple things, and most of the time I can't be bothered to fill in a niche for them. I stand by it, every single Indie Clan works better as a bloodline.

>>96465346
>100million
Isn't the the amount that die yearly? Literally just spawn camp the shadowlandsof so third-world shithole and they'll be done in a couple decades

>>96465382
>every single Indie Clan works better as a bloodline.
NGL I like Setites as merchants/tempters Assmites as hitmen, and Gio/Capps as necromancers since I feel they have a place in the setting. I laugh whenever I read of Set dabbing on Bastet/Osiris/Silent Striders, Ur Shulgi declaring half his clan heretics and saying fuck the Tremere, or Giovanni pissing off yet another necromancy bloodline.


But I have no idea why the fuck Ravnos exist. I can't name a single interesting thing they've done in lore besides getting slaughtered by their Ante. Gangrel should be allowed much better and more thematic rivals besides muh gypsies and pajeets.

>>96465434
Most humans don't become Wraiths when they die.

>>96465498
Why do Setites or Assamites need to be so large to do these things though? I suppose I should clarify, I'm not opposed to them still having Antediluvians. When I say Bloodline I mean in terms of size. Their presence within a city is not guaranteed, even in areas they are more associated with. If you want to use them, you can, but their inclusion should not be expected, nor in particularly large numbers.

There's an author problem where sometimes (and the assamites are by far the worst offender here) because they're technically clans they must be treated as having relevance and power on rough par with the other clans, which is a big problem since it forces specialists into a role too broad for them to handle.

>>96465498
>But I have no idea why the fuck Ravnos exist.
To piss off the cathayans. 99% of the clan are at war with the chink-demon-risen. The ones we see are the loser rejects who deserted or were exiled from the clan proper

>>96465528
Which is why it'll take decades.

>>96465528
What happens to most people when they die then?

>>96465656
The afterlife. Wraiths are created if a soul has urgent unfinished business.

>>96465656
Reincarnation, you roll a new characte

>>96465703
Imagine being a salaryman corposlave and becoming a wraith because your "urgent unfinished business" is filling and sending forms for your boss. Your fetters are pens, a worn out keyboard, a copy machine and the chair that belonged to your boss's secretary, which you used to smell and fap to. Your passions are order, structure and stability.
You'd be very happy in Stygia.

>>96465758
He sounds perfect for the bureaucracy of the Underworld. How do you imagine he died? Which Legion does he belong to?

>>96465871
>viral and bacterial
What happens to the Wraiths who die from fungal, parasitic and prion diseases?

>>96465897
They are kindly but firmly told to go to the Abyss where they belong.

>>96465703
What happens if they get eaten by a Specter?

Which are the best non-generic backgrounds (no Allies, Resources etc.)?

>>96466303

Ancestor/Dream and Totem. No clue otherwise, you are asking a broad question and i'm not one of those world of darkness nerds that rest on a mountain of game line series. I guess disappointments too if bloodlines 2 is any indication.

>>96466303
The best non-generic ones are splat specific. Examples: Fairy Blood, Touch, Generation, Avatar, Eidolon, etc.
None of it will matter unless you're that splat or an infernalist about to fuck your whole life up.

>>96466303
Eminence? Though it's basically only for Demons and/or their Thralls/Servants

>>96466634
Eminence is literally just pepsi to Status's coke. It really shouldn't count.

>>96466303
Mastery lets you do some very funny stuff, though only really as a demon.

Is this what a cult of ecstacy awakened looks like?

>>96467691
>though only really as a demon
Or infernalist. Team Evil gets all the nice things...
Such a shame they all burn the same in the face of THE LORD!

Did some more with this Ferectoi!

>>96467786
>Is this what a cult of ecstacy awakened looks like?
Sounds better than what it should look like. Not enough animals involved.

>>96469049
Neat! What's his deal/domain as a spirit? My guess would be poison or parasites, given the umbrella feel of his retinue.

>>96469128
>his deal/domain as a spirit?
Anon, fectori are a fomori breed. They're not even the normal "possessed by a spirit of Z" kind either, they're created by spiritually gestating a fetus in a breeder bane. They don't have spirit domains and can develop any fomori power ever known.

>>96469049
>Tubes
Oof, mans is juiced on fomorol. To anons that don't know, fomorol Doubles the strength of all a fomoris powers(be it dicepool, damage, healing etc).
That kid is basically Bane from DC comics the moment those tubes start pumping the juice.

>>96469128
Thanks for your interest! I had imaged her as having a deep affinity for caustic elements revolving around acids and also a close relationship with balefire, which she is presently manipulating. In her "true" form, she is constantly producing acidic smog from her body in the form of stupendously long strands of black "hair". This along with her "true" warform having huge snapping insectile legs and so on.

Though, I noticed you called her "he", should I add a bow to make her gender clearer? The containment suit she wears does look fairly unisex due to it's heaviness.

But as >>96469204 said, she isn't possessed by a bane so much as she is a hypostasis of bane and human, being neither in the end. Though I have additional aspects that I add on to the basic concept of ferectoi.

>>96469049
I'm freely bouncing between eager and worried what our resident horroranon might do if he were to depict a True Fae from CtL.

>>96469219
That's part of what the tubes do! I imagined that ferectoi all wear suits like that, to prevent themselves from breaking down due to the sheer power they hold in their bodies, as well as their unnatural nature.
But the tubes also deliver polluted fluids and any kind of Wyrmish stimulant directly into the body, along with medicines devised by Pentex to counteract the wasting that they would otherwise undergo.

>>96469231
I've considered drawing a Tuatha De Danaan in full armor fighting some fomori, or other kind of wyrmspawn.

>>96469252
Hah! I was thinking Lost rather than Dreaming but y'know what, I'd like to see that.

>>96469221
>I noticed you called her "he", should I add a bow to make her gender clearer?
The sharp features throw people off, many anons were raised on the disney standard of "sharp men, soft women" when it comes to 2D(even though that isn't the standard for professional art)

>>96469221
>should I add a bow to make her gender clearer?
While that would be kind of funny, I am not sure if that would distract from the smiley pin. If you do add that, give the giant centipede or fly a matching one.

Are Ugly Bastards servants of the Wyrm too?

>>96469385
Yes, Unironically. They destroy futures and relationships. Literal poster-boys for fomori.

>>96469271
To be fair, I did want her to have a somewhat sharp and aristocratic face, since Ferectoi are the ultimate in spoilt nepobabies, but also are wickedly competent, and they revel in both characteristics in the extreme.
But I did heavily reference Eveline from RE7, Alma from FEAR 1, and Dark Alessa from the first Silent Hill movie, so that might've contributed.
>>96469337
I think I might add it, since it was in a bunch of the previous drafts. As for the fly, it's just supposed to be a symbolic representation of the Fly Totem looming in the background lol
>>96469385
Yes, there's literally a fomori ability that gives said fomor a gigantic and spiked penis. Combine that with the fact that many fomori are both ugly and fat, and all you need to create an Ugly Bastard fomori is to combine the two, and make him an extremely aggressive rapist.

>>96469450
>Yes, there's literally a fomori ability that gives said fomor a gigantic and spiked penis. Combine that with the fact that many fomori are both ugly and fat, and all you need to create an Ugly Bastard fomori is to combine the two, and make him an extremely aggressive rapist.
Also take the Berserk power for multiple rape actions/turn.

>>96469385
>>96469450
>>96469481
Since we're talking about this I just want to mention there are also Fomori that have dentata. Which are teeth in the vagina that can main or castrate a man. Use that information how you will.

>>96469450
>>96469481
But what about corrupting innocent young women and stealing them from their bright-eyed good-hearted hubbies? Can fomori have NTR powers too?

>>96469049
Bullseye center is a clean, mostly human face with a child soldier's smug that nobody is allowed to hit back. I like that.

>>96469517
I'm sure there are Fomorian powers mind breaking powers.

>>96469509
Tzimisce have em too. Like, heck, original clanbook had one on the cover.

>>96469509
>vagina dentata
Obligatory "that's my favorite song from the Lion King!" post.

>>96469385
Potentially. They could also be some form of Thallain that get Glamour from NTR - ravaging in the most literal sense of the word.

>>96469204
They're still Possessed. They're just possessed from birth, and have never known as a state other than being a host for their tenant. Technically they could still have the bane kicked out and live if they get healed in a timely fashion.

>>96469726
>Technically they could still have the bane kicked out and live if they get healed in a timely fashion.
Well, no they can't. The only people who can survive bane removal have the "unpossessed" merit, people who've been imperfectly possessed from the beginning because they weren't fully tainted. Given how ferectoi are Born from taint, it'd be really, Really difficult to find an untainted one. As in "It'd be easier to find a living, breathing, non-spirit unicorn that this thing" hard.

What's your favorite piece of literature for WoD? I'm a big fan of the Clan Novels

>>96469726
Like >>96469757 said, you actually can't separate a ferectoi from their bane, because they ARE their bane. It's a perfect fusion, and a core part of their being. They feel no negative effects from their possession, because they ARE their own possession.
They were born from Breeder Banes, and their bodies were assembled piece by piece within that dark womb, surrounded by the power of the Wyrm, and made from it. They aren't even really humans, even if they look like us.

>>96469519
That's exactly the idea! Complete self-assurance, and inhuman arrogance, encompassed by the petulant cruelty of a psychopathic child.
She is accompanied everywhere by her hulking fomori minder, and he serves as her muscle (since outside of her warform she isn't really tough or strong). So that adds a new dimension to her wickedness, since she literally has the biggest "my dad can beat your dad" complex in the room.

Fun fact: One of the lesser known abilities of Caine is making everyone in the traffic drive on the wrong side of the road and not notice anything is wrong
This has been bothering me for years but I see nearly no one point it out, at the end of Bloodlines Caine and everyone else is driving on the left hand side of the road

>>96470016
so caine warps the world into being england?

>>96469757
No, anyone can survive as long as the healer manages to reduce the 10 health level creeping death down to less than 7.

As ferectoi are still fomori, they're still possessed and obey the other rules for being possessed, of which the above applies (kick out tenant, host takes 10 health levels one per turn). The only exceptions are Drones, who aren't normal possessed and explicitly called out as such.

Because if a Theurge can theoretically turn a bane into another type of spirit, making a ferectoi human or something else shouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities, either. Difficult, sure; it'd be about on par with a test to become an elder. In contrast, managing a way to change a Drone back would be worthy of becoming rank 6, if possible.

>>96464665
Merits are awesome.
They are often poorly balanced as anon >>96464851 said, but that's okay.

>>96469782
Does Transylvania Chronicles count?

>>96469836
Plus, playing by fingertip with the ultimate expression of human genius and folly.

Would you allow learning 1-2 dots of special snowflake disciplines outside of their designated bloodline, if the character can find mentor and has decent narrative justification to need that ability?
Passionate caver and geologist getting Visceratika, dabbler in occult and all things fae dipping into Mytherceria, or Joy Adamson-like wilderness advocate getting Abombwe.
Obviously no Temporis. Ever.

>>96469049
Damn brat! She needs correction!!!

>>96470547
Sure.
PCs being snowflakes is a proud WoD/CofD tradition.

>>96470547
Yes but like, not their first few disciplines. Otherwise older Vampires pretty much have access to most disciplines over the decades.

>>96470702
>over
Have you seen the disciplines of official elders? They even had stuff like Bardo.

>>96469782
Dark ages clan anthology

>>96470547
Yes, sure. With good justification and mentor, everything is possible.

>>96470747
Are you referring to Kemintiri?

>>96471354
Anon is probably referring to one of Karl Schrekt's Archon in Berlim by Night who supposedly is a Children of Osiris and has Bardo on his sheet.

>>96471384
actually that guy tries to kill you if you so much as mention the children of osiris to him and claims to be a setite that has cut all contact with his clan in favor of the camarilla

he never shows up again so we have no details about his backstory but he seems like a dude who had a interesting unlife

>>96471354
>Kemintiri mentioned

she cute

>>96472215
meant for
>>96469049

>>96470159
Healing someone who is already 3 levels deep into Dead doesn't prevent the damage. Damage is resolved Before healing, they still die.

>>96470016
Obfuscate 10 moment

>>96472611
They take 10 turns to take all the damage, 8 turns to die.

>>96470547
A Brujah or Toreador musician has more than enough a reason to learn Melpominee.
Anyone with no shadow/reflection flaw or particular affinity with shadows may develop Obtenebration. Any Tremere might develop Valeren (or Visissitude, though in the Pyramid that would earn them much suspicion). A member of Sabbat pack can learn any disciplines Vaulderie participants know.
A Thin-Blood Caitiff may develop any discipline they want, that's one benefit of their pitiful condition. As for Visceratika... nobody who wasn't a Dark Ages Gargoyle even raised a question of learning it on my watch, but I played a City Gangrel that eventually became visually indistinguishable from a Gargoyle, Tremere bondmate and all, though he still didn't know Visceratika.

I would frown at players trying to get more than one rare discipline or sorcery, though, especially if they're already playing some snowflake clan outside of the main seven.

>>96475029
>Any Tremere might develop Valeren (or Visissitude
Based Tremere.

Why is this shit so quiet?

>>96475710
Not much to say on my end. plus people tend to get quiet after the thread hits autosage.

You got anything you want to talk about?

>>96475866
>. plus people tend to get quiet after the thread hits autosage.
Fine, I'll make a new thread.

New thread:
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