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Anonymous No.96466285 [Report] >>96466297 >>96466533 >>96466575 >>96466599 >>96466681 >>96466691 >>96467335 >>96467964 >>96468221 >>96469504 >>96470220 >>96470482 >>96470576 >>96470611 >>96471014 >>96471021 >>96471208 >>96471228 >>96471248 >>96472086 >>96472935 >>96473167 >>96474998 >>96475146 >>96475392 >>96475440 >>96480415 >>96483721 >>96487351 >>96490557 >>96491861 >>96492839 >>96495200 >>96501435
Which game is currently in a worse state?
Anonymous No.96466297 [Report] >>96473121 >>96486853
>>96466285 (OP)
That's like asking which kind of shit tastes better, runny or solid? They're both shit and unfit to eat.
Anonymous No.96466533 [Report] >>96470077 >>96470095 >>96470178 >>96470678 >>96471240
>>96466285 (OP)
Magic. 40K at least has interesting variants and doesn't take a massive shit on one of the greatest fantasy franchises of all time by blackwashing well known characters
Anonymous No.96466557 [Report]
Magic, 40k’s biggest failings come from trying to attract the Magic crowd.
Anonymous No.96466575 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
Magic and it's not even close
Anonymous No.96466599 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
Magic, but mostly because Warhammer hasn't undergone Fortniteification and started ramming licensed crossovers into the setting at the expense of its own brand identity.
Anonymous No.96466670 [Report] >>96466955 >>96467579 >>96470309 >>96470772 >>96470786 >>96491866 >>96492570
Magic. How is this even a question?
Anonymous No.96466681 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
Magic by a huge margin.
Anonymous No.96466691 [Report] >>96469663 >>96483730
>>96466285 (OP)
GW is still making Warhammer models.
WotC isn't making Magic the Gathering IP cards anymore.
Anonymous No.96466764 [Report] >>96466979
40k. Magic has fun formats and draft is consistently good. 40k, meanwhile, has always been dogshit.
Anonymous No.96466955 [Report] >>96467064
>>96466670
Warhammer has black people in it too anon
Anonymous No.96466979 [Report] >>96466995 >>96468319 >>96469504 >>96470772
>>96466764
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH, GET ME PICTURES, PICTURES OF SPOODERMAN'S SPOODERCOCK
Anonymous No.96466995 [Report]
>>96466979
Spiderman being slop doesn't change the fact that 40k was always shit despite never importing crossover trash.
Anonymous No.96467064 [Report] >>96467245
>>96466955
Yes, but Warhammer didnt went and said "Alright lads, Karl Franz is a african now! And Guilliman too! And did you know, we made Louen Lioncour black! And Marneus Calgar? Yeah, he is a asian now."
Anonymous No.96467245 [Report] >>96467498 >>96467836 >>96468173
>>96467064
But Aragorn isn't a pre-established character in Magic's lore anon
Anonymous No.96467335 [Report] >>96470309 >>96470772 >>96470959 >>96492570
>>96466285 (OP)
Magic
Anonymous No.96467498 [Report] >>96467521
>>96467245
are you just pretending to be dense enough to not get the point, or are you really that stupid?
Anonymous No.96467521 [Report] >>96467538 >>96469968 >>96478000
>>96467498
I just wish you used an example that made sense anon. If they made Jace or Chandra black suddenly then you'd have a point.
Anonymous No.96467538 [Report]
>>96467521
They took away Chandra's boobs anon, she literally had big mommy milkers in 2009
Anonymous No.96467579 [Report]
>>96466670
The blood of Numenor is truly spent.
Anonymous No.96467836 [Report]
>>96467245
why does the distinction matter
Anonymous No.96467964 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
definitely Magic, 40k at least manages to not ruin its characters every single time they try to do something with said characters, and still has enough ideas of its own that it hasn't attempted to make "the characters all put on cowboy hats" unironically a thing.
Anonymous No.96468173 [Report] >>96469490
>>96467245
It doesn't have to be, you dumb fucking nagger.
Anonymous No.96468221 [Report] >>96468328 >>96468454
>>96466285 (OP)
Magic by far. I put it down years ago and never looked back. My friends still play occasionally but every time they mention new cards or sets its always with a sense of resigned dread. The brand has been ruined well past recovery.
Anonymous No.96468277 [Report]
MTG by leagues, but dosnt excuse 40ks downward slope. MTG ilhas gone to slop levels never thought possible. Shit art with diversity quotas, shit cross overs, shit plots (hurr durr im a bisexual cowboy). Cards literally meant to break the game so you buy boxes, and they ban them immediately. 40k is, luckily, not so deep in the swamp that they cant reverse now that the cultural pendulum is swinging back to some sense of normalcy.
Anonymous No.96468295 [Report] >>96468872 >>96470446 >>96473979
Games workshop has a net worth of 6.59 billion and Hasbro has a net worth of 11 billion. So according to capitalism WH40k is doing worse.
Anonymous No.96468311 [Report] >>96480121
^ terrible bait post, no (you) for you
Anonymous No.96468319 [Report] >>96471026
>>96466979
SCHLMO QUE THE MUSIC!
Anonymous No.96468328 [Report]
>>96468221
i feel like this is wotc punishing us for making so many custom cards and meme cards. We built this fucking timeline
Anonymous No.96468454 [Report]
>>96468221
Check out sorcery. It's fucking great
Anonymous No.96468872 [Report]
>>96468295

Jewish hands wrote this post.
Anonymous No.96469490 [Report]
>>96468173
it does if you want the argument to make sense
Anonymous No.96469504 [Report] >>96469585
>>96466979
>hating on bagels
At least use a dog whistle like miles anon
>>96466285 (OP)
40k because at least mtg has some players that aren't gross
Anonymous No.96469585 [Report] >>96469633
>>96469504
>40k because at least mtg has some players that aren't gross
I'm a pretty new MTG player and I absolutely fell in love with it, and I decided to go to my first tournament at my local collectors store. It was awful though. I signed up, pretty excited, and for context I'm an 18 year old girl. I was immediately made uncomfortable with like 2 guys coming up to me, I tried to be polite but they were asking really personal questions beyond MTG, things about my dating life. I finally sat down to play, and when i do I nearly gag from the smell, the guy I was playing with smelled like a mix of BO, booze and piss. I lost and I said good game, I'm just being polite, and he is bragging and just generally being a sore winner. I just left, I didn't want to stay at all. Is it always this awful or am I just unlucky? Or maybe I broke some unspoken etiquette I didn't know about?
Edit: I've read all the replies and appreciate the advice! I live in a small more rural town so it's the only card shop near me. I'm a very nonconfrontational person so I don't know how comfortable I can be with bringing up issues to the management. I will definitely try and go back during more casual games, or even go to the next town over if I still have issues. Thank you all!
Anonymous No.96469633 [Report]
>>96469585
>for context I'm an 18 year old girl
Post tyranids or gtfo
Anonymous No.96469638 [Report] >>96469663 >>96469690 >>96470065 >>96470772 >>96478453 >>96486014
>Pic related.

This is Magic now.
No matter how bad 40K, AoS or any game of GW is, Magic is worse by very very far in any aspect (prices, bullshit story, consumers, shitty products, etc.)
Anonymous No.96469663 [Report] >>96469690 >>96472741 >>96475693 >>96475722
>>96469638
>HeavySetBadass.jpg
>>96466691
Picrel is to blame of course
Anonymous No.96469690 [Report]
>>96469638
>>96469663
these have to have some of the worst flavor text i've ever read. its a toss up which is worse.
Anonymous No.96469706 [Report]
40k up until wizards made UB standard sets. Yes I know final fantasy was fine and they made a ton of money and ff fans love it. But it paved the way for Spiderman. It made them think that this is ok.
Anonymous No.96469968 [Report]
>>96467521
nta but Kayla is exactly what you want
Anonymous No.96470065 [Report]
>>96469638
How does this chunky chink not have Defender?
Anonymous No.96470077 [Report]
>>96466533
Not yet
Anonymous No.96470095 [Report] >>96470117
>>96466533
>blackwashing
more like shitstaining
Anonymous No.96470117 [Report]
>>96470095
Adopting that kek
Anonymous No.96470178 [Report] >>96470262 >>96472002
>>96466533
>40K
>one of the greatest fantasy franchises of all time
>my_sides.jiff
You should do stand up or something...
Anonymous No.96470220 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
Magic completely sold its soul. Warhammer has to grit through occasional woke retcons, but nothing completely earth-shattering
Anonymous No.96470262 [Report]
>>96470178
You should learn to read.
Anonymous No.96470309 [Report] >>96481120
>>96466670
>>96467335
The funniest thing about races of Magic is that they make no biological sense. Arwen is white, but her grandma Galadriel is black. Eomer is white, but his uncle Theoden and sister Eowyn are black. Do kids on Magic Middle-Earth just get a random skin color at birth?
Anonymous No.96470446 [Report] >>96470476 >>96471213
>>96468295
That's actually surprising. I had no idea GW was over half as big as hasbro. Actually that's pretty fucking ridiculous. I'd have expected it to be at, like, 2% the size. I know GW exploded around 8th (unsustainably) but has Hasbro also completely collapsed or something?
Anonymous No.96470476 [Report]
>>96470446
Magic: The Gathering and Monopoly are quite literally the only successful Hasbro products in the current year. D&D has been taking hits too, most recent fiascos including the official VTT crashing and burning and senior creatives abandoning the ship.
Anonymous No.96470482 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
Magic doesn't even exist as a meaningful IP anymore, it's just funkopops on card paper
Anonymous No.96470576 [Report] >>96481055
>>96466285 (OP)
Yugioh
>b-but-
Yugioh
Anonymous No.96470611 [Report] >>96470650
>>96466285 (OP)
Magic. It went from a fantasy card game to fortnight multiverse SHIT so quickly my head is spinning. Spongebob squarepants cards? Really? REALLY??? WHAT THE FUCK?!

At least 40k doesn’t have literal cartoons (and any other advertising IP they can whore out to) in their game. Which is a very low bar.

40k has been shit for a very long time too but still at least pretends to care about the lore.
Anonymous No.96470650 [Report] >>96470771
>>96470611
I'm now imagining a brand new Warhammer 40K Crusade about the Imperium spending 10 million lives to secure an STC of the 2026 Honda Prelude with optional heated seats
Anonymous No.96470678 [Report] >>96470691 >>96470789 >>96472002 >>96480024
>>96466533
>the greatest fantasy franchises of all time
But that's the thing, outside of a bunch of nerds nobody really cared about the magic IP and wizard never managed to make people care about it. Llanowar elves is iconic because of its role as a card but if you ask most magic players what Llanowar is they probably can't answer. Mtg went so easily into UB because the core of the game will always be good, you don't have any other card game with as much depth and deck building options but the IP part, the settings has always been the weakest part and most people just don't care about it.
Anonymous No.96470691 [Report] >>96470706
>>96470678
He’s talking about LoTR and black Aragon autist kun
Anonymous No.96470706 [Report] >>96470727 >>96483529 >>96491497
>>96470691
Black Aragorn alone would be halfway acceptable since isn't he from different ancient stock? Every place looking like modern London is fucking ass though, I wish we could have the cool black heroes of yore back without invoking cuckshit
Anonymous No.96470727 [Report] >>96470760 >>96483529
>>96470706
Aragon was white in the books. There really is no excuse
> Frodo found that Strider was now looking at him, as if he had heard or guessed all that had been said. Presently, with a wave of his hand and a nod, he invited Frodo to come over and sit by him. As Frodo drew near he threw back his hood, showing a shaggy head of dark hair flecked with grey, and in a pale stern face a pair of keen grey eyes.
Anonymous No.96470760 [Report] >>96470770 >>96470787 >>96470824 >>96482992 >>96491504
>>96470727
To play devil's advocate a bit here, jotc did come out and say "lmao it's our vision, we have permission from Tolkien's family, we'll do whatever the fuck we want, chuds" and they're not technically wrong, even if Tolkien's family right now are the crazies who approved Rings of Power as well. 'Reimagining' a work like LotR for a more 'modern audience' is what they wanted to do (that, and they couldn't get the rights for the movie appearances), they didn't want to do a faithful representation.
Anonymous No.96470770 [Report] >>96473806 >>96475302
>>96470760
Tolkien’s family are obviously terrible stewards of his work. Just trying to milk as much money as they can out of it before it becomes public domain.
Anonymous No.96470771 [Report] >>96471390
>>96470650
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vincent_Black_Shadow_bike
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Black_Shadow
Anonymous No.96470772 [Report] >>96470778 >>96470789 >>96492340
>>96466670
>>96466979
>>96467335
>>96469638
Wasn't Magic supposed to have its own worldbuilding and stuff? What's with the slop from other franchises? WH40K may be in a terrible state but at least it doesn't have random references to other shit.
Anonymous No.96470778 [Report] >>96492340
>>96470772
It did once. Now it’s all turned into multiverse slop.
Anonymous No.96470786 [Report]
>>96466670
white boys will never recover from this
Anonymous No.96470787 [Report] >>96470808
>>96470760
>technically not wrong
Nobody is talking about legal priveleges when they say something is right or wrong. Many things are perfectly acceptable by law but wrong to do, and vice versa. Even corporate lawyers would tell you so, every single one.

This point is a pet peeve of mine. Seeing it brought up pisses me off, since it almost always succeeds in pivoting the conversation into laymen shitflinging about copyright or contracts or whatever.
Anonymous No.96470789 [Report] >>96492340
>>96470772
See>>96470678
Anonymous No.96470808 [Report] >>96470822 >>96470832 >>96470965
>>96470787
You are misunderstanding me, anon. I'm not discussing the legality of the move (it's very obviously legal, IP law doesn't care whether 'Aragorn' is depicted as black or white), I am responding to anon saying "there's no excuse for making Aragorn black", but there very clearly is (the creatives at jotc wanted to make him black, and they got green light from corporate to do so). Whether you think all representations of LotR should exactly follow Tolkien's work (or as close as it can possibly be) or whether you believe new creators can (or should) take liberties with it, or any other fictional work that gets handed off to different people, is a different matter, but jotc had a perfectly valid excuse to make Aragorn black, which basically boils down to "they wanted to do it".
Anonymous No.96470822 [Report]
>>96470808
Yeah, fair, but that's still not what's under discussion, I think.
Anonymous No.96470824 [Report]
>>96470760
No one is arguing they COULDN'T do it, people are arguing they SHOULDN'T have chosen to do it. Tolkien could have made Aragon black. He could have very explicitly made Aragon 'Jewish Coded' (he told the Nazis he respected Jewish and told them not to publish his books if it bothered them). He didn't, he made Aragon explicitly white. WotC race swapped Aragon, and many other characters, with literally no other reason that to score points, there was no attempt to justify the decision for any other reason than score woke points; they weren't making any narrative point or reinterpretation by doing so.
Like, for Miles, there can be an argument that someone who looks like Miles represents the face of a born and raised New Yorker now (get rid of the tourists, students, etc and look at the people born and raised in NYC- they look more like Miles now than fucking Peter). It's a weak as fuck argument but hey, it's a justification. WotC didn't even have a justification besides 'well we can do it so we did get fucked CHUDS.'
Anonymous No.96470832 [Report] >>96470965
>>96470808
>jotc had a perfectly valid excuse to make Aragorn black, which basically boils down to "they wanted to do it".
That’s a valid reason to you? I never imagined they didn’t want to do it, aragorn wasn’t suddenly black without them choosing for him to be. It wasn’t some printing error. I’m saying them choosing for him to be black was a terrible decision because he wasn’t in the books and there is no excuse for it. “Because we wanted to” isn’t an excuse I accept.
Anonymous No.96470959 [Report]
>>96467335
God I fucking hate libshits like you wouldn't believe.
Anonymous No.96470965 [Report] >>96477880
>>96470832
>>96470808
The reasons they wanted to niggerify Aragon wasn't just some passing fancy, but it is a symptom of their disgusting world view.
Anonymous No.96471014 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
40K still has an identity all its own. You can argue all you want whether that spark has been lost or its identity has been muddied and watered down by corporate meddling, but the identity is still there. Meanwhile, MTG is just cardboard fortnite now.
Anonymous No.96471021 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
Both are shitty as fuck.
Anonymous No.96471026 [Report]
>>96468319
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bEZQ00OOxY
Anonymous No.96471208 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
Pretty sure Magic gutted even it's own gameplay since awhile. That's not even mentioning what they don't with the lore.

40k always had a final fallback to - YourDudes and NotCanon, which despite all pretences, Black Library and associated shit falls to.
You can have your 40k clean-er, even if you accept dogshit modern rules.
Anonymous No.96471213 [Report] >>96491534
>>96470446
Honestly, kinda.
Transformers peaked over a decade ago to the point where they apparently begging Michael Bay to come back and make more movies.
Goldner diversified into a bunch a non-toy entertainment purchases that either failed or were done just before Covid screwed up the economy.
Manufacturing prices have seen their toy prices nearly double in the last decade, which can't be good for sales especially as children have given up on toys generally.
Anonymous No.96471228 [Report] >>96472813
>>96466285 (OP)
Warhammer, obviously. Not only unplayable because of rules bloat and bad design decisions, but also way too fucking pricey.
Meanwhile, Magic is still fun from time to time.
Anonymous No.96471240 [Report] >>96472002
>>96466533
>something something muh woke, yaddah yaddah
Magic can be played and enjoyed, black aragorns or not. But Warhammer now sucks in all of its variants as a game
Anonymous No.96471248 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
Magic has reached the point of no return. There is no deleting cards, unmaking the releases etc. There is the changing of rules and whatever else for a miniature Wargame
Anonymous No.96471390 [Report]
>>96470771
Ah yes, the lucrative licensing agreement with a product that had been out of production for over thirty years. My favourite.
Anonymous No.96472002 [Report] >>96484408
>>96470178
>>96470678
I'm talking about LOTR
>>96471240
Fuck you. Don't reduce me to some anti-woke warrior screeching and fuming at every instance of black people in media.
The LOTR books and movies held a special, dear place in my childhood, adolescence and now adulthood. If you want to suck WOTC cock because they're not forcing you to play with black Aragorn, fine. I'm saying that them raceswapping well established and beloved characters for no apparent reason other than good boy points is a creatively bankrupt decision. That's why they're a company I don't and won't support
Anonymous No.96472086 [Report] >>96472820
>>96466285 (OP)
MTG costs more. MTG's variations are just more expensive. Nobody plays the lopsided commons only variation which is the only affordable type.

I have MTG commons tribals decks that havent seen the light of day in almost 9 years.

40k you can buy proxies and 3d print if you play with friends. An affordable 2k army can be 350 bucks even officially if you know what to purchase and do it on Ebay/Amazon. I just bought a 2k army off ebay by finding 30k marines and their weapons and purchasing that for a chaos army. I have over 2300pts of marines from that 350 dollar purchase. Free shipping, tax pushed over 350, but thats the real cost of 40k.

A competitive deck in any popular format is over 3,400 dollars. People want to play with their expensive cards and ruin their condition. It makes no sense to me. Cards are for saving to sell and playing cards you should be able to bend them and share with friends.
Anonymous No.96472741 [Report]
>>96469663
>pic
The corposhit is so jargonized that I can’t understand a single word he’s saying. Holy shit. I’m switching to 40k.
Anonymous No.96472813 [Report]
>>96471228
Magic feels incredibly pricey to play, from the FF set price increase to the investor crowd inflating the prices on the second hand market. Sure you can proxy, but if you wanted to have a legal deck for events you're spending obscene amounts of money to stay current with any format that's not specifically about using lower powered cards
Anonymous No.96472820 [Report] >>96472912
>>96472086
>MtG is more expensive because the real cards are expensive
>40k is cheaper because you can just print cheaper stuff
You know you can also print cards right?
Anonymous No.96472912 [Report] >>96473745
>>96472820
nta but I'm guessing MtG tournaments care a lot more about Card proxies than third-party 40k tournaments. outside of doing stuff at Warhammer World in the UK or really big official one at Adepticon, Proxy usage for GW game doesn't seem to be a big deal.
Anonymous No.96472935 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
its always been magic. look at the average playgroup for both games. 40k is approaching mtg in terms of smelliness but mtg has always held the crown for autism.
Anonymous No.96473121 [Report] >>96486853
>>96466297
Would you rather drink shit or eat it?
Anonymous No.96473167 [Report] >>96473383
>>96466285 (OP)
Personal observation:
40kers are happy with their slop. The community has normalized proxies and proonts (a double-edged sword).
MTGers are worn out by set churn. Several sets have like 5 good cards out of 300. Retailers are frustrated. Proxies are frowned upon.
Anonymous No.96473383 [Report] >>96473762 >>96473809
>>96473167
How are proxies and prints a double-edged sword?
Anonymous No.96473745 [Report] >>96473751
>>96472912
a lot of tournaments care now. blame 10e and GW
Anonymous No.96473751 [Report] >>96473953
>>96473745
proof?
Anonymous No.96473762 [Report]
>>96473383
some prints look ugly if the individual has poor taste I guess.
Anonymous No.96473806 [Report] >>96474464
>>96470770
the last defender of good LOTR adaptations died with Christopher Tolkein. After he died it all went to shit. He called the trilogy of LOTR movies action movie slop. Now no one’s around to stand against the dogshit.
Anonymous No.96473809 [Report] >>96475772
>>96473383
>proxies
Nobody gives a shit as long as they’re decent
>3d printing
Toxic fumes, shitty files, sellers with garbage quality if you don’t do it yourself, fiddly and a hobby in itself. Give me a nice plastic sprue any day over that toxic crap. Plenty of non GW minis out there.
Anonymous No.96473953 [Report] >>96473978
>>96473751
personal anecdote. look up your local tournaments if you care enough.
Anonymous No.96473978 [Report] >>96474024
>>96473953
so nothing and you're talking out your ass
Anonymous No.96473979 [Report] >>96474523
>>96468295
GW is based in the UK and has their hands on every store in the US. Hasbro is a multinational corpo with numerous acquisitions and MTG is about as small fry as small fries get. With your logic 40k is doing much better than MTG.
Anonymous No.96474024 [Report] >>96474082
>>96473978
no nigger I’m talking from experience. this isn’t a debate and I don’t care about proving you wrong. All my locals don’t accept proxies because they’re hosted by stores that sell GW product.
Anonymous No.96474082 [Report]
>>96474024
you have no experience and you have no models
nobody gives a fuck about proxies or prints outside of specific official tournaments held in official GW stores.
Anonymous No.96474464 [Report]
>>96473806
>the last defender of good LOTR adaptations died with Christopher Tolkein
>He called the trilogy of LOTR movies action movie slop
So, uh, what good adaptations did he support?
Anonymous No.96474523 [Report]
>>96473979
Except that MtG is Hasbro's biggest money maker
Anonymous No.96474998 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
I think mtg. Hard to find 1 redeeming quality about it. If you don't care about commander, it's almost impossible to find a table to play.
No core sets, no more blocks, deluge of UB sets, shit art, shittier lore, playerbase now consist of lifebrand consoomer retards.
Anonymous No.96475101 [Report]
Magic's unrecogniseably fucked in ways that I genuinely can't even describe. It's gone from an institution of sorts that propped up multiple mini-industries to a pop culture whale-hunting money printing exercise by cannibalising its own mechanisms, players and soul. The Magic that I started playing is long dead and the Magic that we see today is unsustainable.
40K meanwhile is still 40K; good old GW churning up rules to bait players into buying their overpriced plastic crack. There's been gradual enshittification as with anything, and I've seen their approach change over the years, but they haven't cracked open their own ribcage to tear out and eat their heart and lungs like WotC has.
I do own collections for both and I'd play a game of either with friend or stranger, the difference is that 40K makes me feel younger and Magic genuinely makes me feel like a geriatric dinosaur.
Anonymous No.96475146 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
Warhammer is still making models to collect and paint, which is the real core of the hobby. The tabletop is awful but it's always been awful and has never been the point. M:tG is supposed to be a playable game and it is a total clusterfuck. I give the title to M:tG.
Anonymous No.96475265 [Report] >>96478867
I know nothing of the state of warhammer wargame. can someone give me a quick rundown?
Anonymous No.96475302 [Report]
>>96470770
>Tolkien’s family are obviously terrible stewards of his work.
what?
i believe the people okaying it is Cathleen Blackburn and the other executor of the estate
Anonymous No.96475392 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
If you're talking about gameplay alone then both are poorly balanced in all of their game modes. But I think I would give the crown to Magic. Never have I played a game where you can do absolutely nothing for an hour because randomness of draws a absolutely fucks you. It's rare, but the fact that it happens is failure of game design.
With 40k you can get most of your shit wiped off the table quick with an alpha strike, but at least you can do things with your surviving units, and try play for the objectives.
Anonymous No.96475440 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
While I'd be the first to shit on 40k, mtg is way waaay worse. If 40k suddenly introduced female marines and niggerify some known heroes - then we'd have something to talk about.
Anonymous No.96475693 [Report]
>>96469663
>Goldner
Of course
Anonymous No.96475722 [Report]
>>96469663
complete lack of a human soul in his eyes
Anonymous No.96475772 [Report] >>96476188 >>96476354
>>96473809
>Toxic fumes
Wait till you hear inhaling plastic particles from filing your official minis is just as unhealthy as resin dust. Just be fucking careful, idiot. Or have someone else print for you like I do.
>Shitty files
There are bad files just like there are bad official models. Separating them takes no effort.
>Sellers with garbage quality
Lmao, imagine going to sellers. Anon, there hundreds of dudes with printers out there happy to take requests. The guy who makes mine never ships or charges bad prints and always cures the print so it's hobby-ready; and he's far from unique.

I swear not even bible clutchers from the 90s were as afraid of cartoons as you're afraid of prints (then again, I'm willing to bet you're just a paypiggy). Sucks to be you.
Anonymous No.96476188 [Report]
>>96475772
>Getting this butt blasted because someone doesn't like 3d printing
Calm down, you might have a heart attack you fat fuck
Anonymous No.96476354 [Report]
>>96475772
>Wait till you hear inhaling plastic particles from filing your official minis is just as unhealthy as resin dust
NTA but should you wear a dust mask when filing?
Anonymous No.96477880 [Report]
>>96470965
But you get to have a power fantasy where you are a weird looking tranny like Sami or a Sheboon who works at the DMV like the white green bitch.

Fucking faggot leftists
Anonymous No.96477962 [Report]
Magic has had the biggest fall from grace and total degradation in quality across every single aspect that it would be nearly impossible to name a product or IP that has imploded even 1/10th as much as it has. I have genuinely never in my life seen anything accelerate as rapidly towards the bottom as Magic has in <5 years.

The cardstock and QC in general sucks, the art looks WORSE than ai slop, the mechanic and word count bloat (despite shortening keywords to make more room on cards to jam in more effects) is getting out of hand and encroaching on YGO levels of wordswordswords, the Magic IP and lore doesn't exist anymore and it's a vessel for 3rd party ads, the entire competitive scene is dead and no one plays constructed, they orchestrated a false flag coup to take over the only profitable surviving game mode so they could cater products and sets exclusively to EDH without any opposition (it was a strong possibility that the RC would have pushed back and blanket banned UB), physical print runs are being artificially strangled to the point that even if you wanted to play competitive magic you can't.

Upper management genuinely hates you and wishes you would stop playing entirely so they can shift their business model to collectibles catered to whales to rake in as much short term profit before the 90s 'member berries' nostalgia bubble bursts in the early 2030s.
Anonymous No.96478000 [Report]
>>96467521
This you?
Anonymous No.96478184 [Report] >>96478883
It's insane that they didn't go with the Ikoria's model of how to do UB. I can't even rationalize it from their perspective. Only logical conclussion is that they did it purely out of spite for their existing playerbase.
Anonymous No.96478453 [Report] >>96481070
>>96469638
magic has a story?
Anonymous No.96478867 [Report] >>96479800
>>96475265
Over the past decade or so, the game of 40k has gone through several editions intended to simplify and streamline the dense and complex ruleset required to accommodate so many and such wildly varied factions as the game has (how well they've done is up for debate, but that's the goal). This has been wildly successful commercially, with the game being more popular than ever, and lots of new blood being brought in, but has also lead to deeply entrenched grogs grumbling about the good old days along with a massively larger competitive scene that GW caters quite a bit too, with frequent (currently every three months) rules updates based on tournament results and player feedback (mainly coming from the tournament players).
Anonymous No.96478883 [Report]
>>96478184
They probably thought it'd be too much effort to make double versions of all the cards, since then they'd need twice the art and make sure the flavor fits and all that. Now they're forced to do that anyway with the spider-man set.
Anonymous No.96479800 [Report]
>>96478867
seems cumbersome to keep track of but yeah making new additions every year is prone to get some powercreep issues eventually and banning a unit seems like the worst solution.
that being said even magic has had some rules changes of all things when bans are not enough and warp the game so much they have to either nerf a whole mechanic or change it for god knows what reason. shit sucks over here in that regard too so if that is the only negative, magic wins the shittyness award out of the two
Anonymous No.96480024 [Report]
>>96470678
>Mtg went so easily into UB because the core of the game will always be goo
Every single card game Richard Garfield designed after MtG has better fundamentals.
Anonymous No.96480121 [Report]
>>96468311
>robert... this rock pisses me off
Anonymous No.96480415 [Report] >>96492357
>>96466285 (OP)
Magic by far
Anonymous No.96481055 [Report]
>>96470576
Always has been shit and irrelevant.
Anonymous No.96481070 [Report] >>96492368
>>96478453
A bunch of shitty books too. They tried to make their own avengers team with the gatewatch but it was a failure. Only made the gatewatch planeswalkers too ubiquitous given you can’t double up on them.
Anonymous No.96481120 [Report] >>96492480
>>96470309
This is the issue with this kind of blackwashing in general. Individuals are just randomly different ethnicities with no consideration as to what their ancestry would be, which is retarded because IRL when you find a minority person in an odd place who is integrated into that culture theres a pretty interesting story about how they got there.
Anonymous No.96482992 [Report]
>>96470760
you would have a point if it truly was a creative decision
but nobody believes that, not for one second
Anonymous No.96483529 [Report] >>96483961 >>96484373 >>96492480
>>96470727
>>96470706
"Pale" could describe a light-skinned black person (like Prince, say); I really don't think there's anything in the text of either LotR or the Silmarillion that strictly speaking *requires* Aragorn—or, for that matter, Galadriel—to have been white.

Really the idiotic thing here is that (as someone upthread has pointed out) if Aragorn and Galadreil are *both* black, Arwen has to be black too.
Anonymous No.96483721 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
D&D because it still has not moved past the age of being a luddite version of a CRPG video game. And there's no reason to do that when video games exist. There would be if RP was the focus, but it never is with D&D players.
Anonymous No.96483730 [Report]
>>96466691
GW doesn't make warhammer shit at all. Fuck you talking about?
Anonymous No.96483961 [Report]
>>96483529
You have a pretty low IQ huh
Anonymous No.96484302 [Report] >>96495756
40ks gameplay was always kinda meh
What it was though was Glue for people to hang around and talk about the other parts of the hobby regardless of how shitty or stupid they are

MTG? The lore and community that used to be is dead. Hype? WOTC expects you to be hyped not for the next set tabout to be released that's already been fully revealed but for the set after and the set after that.

I have a lot of issues with GW and 40k but seeing the date of magic makes me realize things could be far worse
Anonymous No.96484373 [Report] >>96485287
>>96483529
Yeah, bro, Tolkien writing "pale" was his shorthand for "light skinned nigga"
I appreciate the attempt at bait
Anonymous No.96484408 [Report] >>96485188
>>96472002
>them raceswapping well established and beloved characters for no apparent reason other than good boy points
>he doesn't know
Oh, anon, it's simultaneously funnier and more depressing than you think. That decision didn't originate with WotC--the Tolkien estate specifically REQUIRED that character depictions be as distinct as possible from their appearances in the movies and actively approved the race swaps. Not for good boy points, not for reasons of artistic integrity, but because the estate was chafing at having to share royalties and licensing fees when everyone always wants to evoke the movies. The Magic set seemed like a sizeable enough release that people wouldn't be able to avoid noticing it, which made it the perfect vehicle for the estate to begin muddying the waters on what characters look like in order to free their own hands for future licensing deals.
Anonymous No.96485188 [Report]
>>96484408
Jesus christ. That explains a lot actually. Like making Gandalf "fabulous" in that shitty hobbit game.
Anonymous No.96485287 [Report] >>96486115 >>96486717 >>96486732
>>96484373
Oh, of course Tolkien *intended* Aragorn—along with every other significant character—to be white, and of course if MtG wanted art that made even a pretense of capturing what the world Tolkien meant to create might have looked like, they would've just gotten John Howe to do it. But I do find it amusing to consider what's consistent with the letter of the text, rather than the spirit.

I do think, though, that the MtG Aragorn's race is at most the fourth-most annoying thing about his depiction from a purist's perspective, after (1) the fact that the White Tree of Gondor on his tunic is gold, (2) his retarded crown, and (3) the fact that he's referred to in his capacity as King as "Aragorn" rather than "Elessar" (and then as the king only of Gondor, rather than of Gondor and Arnor, or of the Reunited Kingdom).

But it's worth noting that idiotic depictions of the Fellowship are nothing new; the MtG Aragorn is only *somewhat* worse than the supposedly "classic" Hildebrand one, who looks like he should be in a cheesy Hollywood adaptation of The Three Musketeers.
Anonymous No.96486014 [Report]
>>96469638
>books spine down on the table
Anonymous No.96486115 [Report]
>>96485287
>But I do find it amusing to consider what's consistent with the letter of the text, rather than the spirit.
Are you committed to the bit or just retarded
Anonymous No.96486717 [Report]
>>96485287
bro, i think there are worse things in this than just that.
did you see what they did to glorfindel?
they turned him into the dragon age 1 rogue elf companion
Anonymous No.96486732 [Report]
>>96485287
what's wrong with it?
seriously remove the hat and you have something fitting the old fantasy style and is perfectly fine, rather than being the weird new KITCHEN SINK fantasy shit they did with mtg
Anonymous No.96486743 [Report]
40k has fallen much, much farther from its peak than MtG. MtG was always a shit slop game based around aftermarket purchases of broken cards. 40k at least gave you the satisfaction of building /yourdudes/.
Anonymous No.96486853 [Report]
>>96466297
>>96473121
I'd probably choose the log.
>the log is a sign of good health and proper fiber intake
>the runs are a sign of sickness and poor nutrious intake
Anonymous No.96487351 [Report] >>96495765
>>96466285 (OP)
40k has never been better.
MTG now forces you to play against Spiderman and SpongeBob.
Anonymous No.96490557 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
Definitely magic. It’s universes beyond thing basically sold out it’s original identity that made it good.

40k hasn’t technically done that as there is no Star Wars crossover or some worse crossover yet.
Anonymous No.96491285 [Report] >>96491518
Its magic. Universe beyond is so fucking lame. Like it was fine when they stuff fit into magic like DnD or even LOTR. But entire sets around marvel slop?
Anonymous No.96491497 [Report]
>>96470706
Getting cool black heroes requires them to read A Man of His Word and A Wizard of Earthsea and Steven Barnes' novels. For the millenizoomers in charge of Magic now, fantasy only consists of Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter.
Anonymous No.96491504 [Report]
>>96470760
The fact that fucking Barbara Broccoli had more of a spine than Chris Tolkien is boggling.
Anonymous No.96491518 [Report] >>96491842
>>96491285
I'm even cool with Final Fantasy. That was a fun set. Spider-Man being a UB that doesn't fit MTG at all and the set being kinda garbage is ass.
Anonymous No.96491534 [Report]
>>96471213
Transformers nowadays are crazy. $25 for something the size of what'd be $15 during the 2000s with less articulation and a shittier altmode.

Also, everything is packaged in robot mode now. They used to make a huge deal out of the Transformer starting in vehicle mode and the moment in the transformation steps where the head is revealed as a sense of discovery.
Anonymous No.96491842 [Report]
>>96491518
I'd be happier with Final Fantasy if you didn't have to auction your firstborn to afford boosters.
Anonymous No.96491861 [Report] >>96491880
>>96466285 (OP)
It's probably not a coincidence that both games started out appealing to teen nerds who would then grow up and support the hobby as adults, but now they've given up on getting more young people in and just want as many consoomer milennials as possible (which makes the hobby even more toxic to kids). D&D went exactly the same way. public shareholders are going to singlehandedly kill off traditional games
Anonymous No.96491866 [Report] >>96494733
>>96466670
does the picture on the card make the card worse from a mechanical standpoint? Does the picture on the card matter at all? If they made Black Lotus have a picture of a transgender black muslim atheist would it suddenly get worse?
Anonymous No.96491880 [Report]
>>96491861
While your spot on with magic for Warhammer they are going all in on a mainstream push and are willing to drop their old fanbase to do so.
Anonymous No.96492340 [Report]
>>96470789
>>96470778
>>96470772
once doug beyer left, any care or quality for magic's story vanished like their interest in kamigawa until they fucked it's ass with the cyberdick
Anonymous No.96492357 [Report]
>>96480415
well that made my balls shrivel, thanks i guess
Anonymous No.96492368 [Report]
>>96481070
i hate how the progression went from "planeswalkers are equal characters" to "what planeswalkers?" to "planeswalkers sometimes matter" to "planeswalkers really matter" to "only planeswalkers matter" all the way to "planeswalkers? you can just ignore 'em. here's your complementary peanuts and monster energy on the way to ravnica airlines. play as spongebob by the way"
Anonymous No.96492480 [Report]
>>96481120
>>96483529
The issue for me is that Tolkein was deliberately evoking the Anglo-Saxon and Celtic epics and associated mythlogy that he spent his life researching. 'Middle Earth' is even an old Anglo-Saxon term for Earth, similar to the Norse Midgard.

This is why the other parts of Middle Earth don't get any detailing. We don't need to go there because they aren't part of the Anglo-Saxon myth cycle.

When you attempt to turn Lord of the Rings into "contemporary America but it's medieval fantasy" you are stripping away the heritage and culture of Western European people, denying them their stories and removing the original mythological/cultural context.

This could be fine if it happened to other groups but nobody is telling "Sun Wukong except in Africa" or "Anasi but it's a white guy" - and even if it were applied equally, you would still lose something - you'd still be removing a story from its people and origins in order to cater to a modern, globalised view of the world as one people, one group.
Anonymous No.96492570 [Report] >>96492582 >>96492615
>>96466670
>>96467335
>make Aragorn black
>successfully ragebait some shitheads
>revenue grows by 45%
You're shilling for them and you don't even know it
Anonymous No.96492580 [Report]
In Magic the Gathering you can make Sonic the Hedgehog pregnant.

You can't do that in 40k (yet).

No I am not kidding, nor will I elaboratd.
Anonymous No.96492582 [Report] >>96492612 >>96495274
>>96492570
Probably that was their thinking. Maybe some on the design team were sincere, but a lot of culture war shit is basically marketing.
Anonymous No.96492605 [Report] >>96492622
40k is far worse even though I absolutely hate magic right now. My thoughts are based on the effort.

Current 10th edition 40k is exhausting and I'm having to up date my current armies to the new unit changes. The terrain sucks, the feel sucks, everything doesnt feel "correct". Easily 3+ hours for a game in the middle of the week after work is exhausting.

In MTG I can play a few games for fun with friends and not really commit. We burned on on EDH so right now we're playing with our old sets of Innistrad decks from college.

Both games are still fun - but a commitment to magic is easier, cheaper, and you're not "chasing the feels" to stay locked into the 40k hobby.

The best approach is always to take it as a beer and pretzels casual fun game you play with your friends. We play games to have fun and have a good time. Don't follow the dark path of competitive play in either game.
Anonymous No.96492612 [Report]
>>96492582
This. The best option is to just not participate, no matter what your political views are
Anonymous No.96492615 [Report] >>96493566
>>96492570
All woke goes broke eventually. Give it time.
Anonymous No.96492622 [Report] >>96492651 >>96494630
>>96492605
No anon, you must play competitively. 40k is no longer your casual hobby.
Anonymous No.96492651 [Report] >>96495545
>>96492622
You have no power here L Ruin! Begone Club-Shirt-Wearing-Tournament-Player! Back I say!

Like I said, both games are fine if you tune down the competitive side and just goofy off. I used to play Warmachine / Warmahordes in MK2 and MK3 and the game wasn't fun after a point due to how cutthroat it was. The terrain there was even worse! My group all has wives, I dont have kids yet so I'll host and have some friends over to game on my tables and shoot the shit. It's a lot of fun. I'm also becoming far more anti social since I'm not going to the FLGS or showing up at events.

Conventions are still great, I highly recommend. Just don't go to Adepticon only for the tournaments. Remember the hobby is mostly sitting in a room painting.
Anonymous No.96492839 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
Warhammer continues to thrive and mutate. Some of them are bad, others are good. Sometimes you get Astartes, other times you get Femstodes. This is the sign of a healthy franchise, because people are trying things and invested in it.

Magic is much worse. It’s cannibalizing other IPs to feed off their popularity. Lord of the Rings having Black Aragorn is masking the true sin which was having Lord of the Rings at all. Being the cloaca from which all franchises can enter is not admirable, it makes you sleazy. The last few attempts at an “original” setting have failed, that cowboy world was pathetic.
Anonymous No.96493566 [Report] >>96507408
>>96492615
As soon as it stops making them money they'll switch to a different business plan. The more you winge the more you're fanning the flames of this pointless culture
Anonymous No.96494630 [Report]
>>96492622
Good lord what happened?
Anonymous No.96494733 [Report]
>>96491866
>If they made Black Lotus have a picture of a transgender black muslim atheist would it suddenly get worse?
Yes.
Anonymous No.96495200 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)

Magic by far because Magic is unfixable. There is literally nothing you can do to make Magic okay again. You'd have to somehow un-print thousands of Universes Beyond cards, racecar cards, robot cards, spaceship cards, all the lore-breaking bullshit cards need to be made nonexistent somehow (not just banned, nonexistent). Warhammer, as shit as it gets, is always just one good edition away from being good again.
Anonymous No.96495274 [Report] >>96495736 >>96495776 >>96495796
>>96492582
> but a lot of culture war shit is basically marketing.
And on both side, nearly all white supremacist account on social media are just indians or other thirld worlders trying to make a quick buck by farming engagement.
Anonymous No.96495545 [Report]
>>96492651
>Just don't go to Adepticon only for the tournaments

Except for the battlefleet Gothic tournament, that's a very fun and friendly event.
Anonymous No.96495736 [Report]
>>96495274
It's kind of sad how I can't think of Canada without thinking of either Chinese or Indians. It's like white people don't even exist in that country anymore.
Anonymous No.96495756 [Report]
>>96484302
>40ks gameplay was always kinda meh
I had fun with 3e-4e. It wasn't balanced back then either tho
Anonymous No.96495765 [Report]
>>96487351
This is interesting they are going in the same direction of the initial Age of Sigmar orcs - total flanderization. A tyranid of a tyranid.
Anonymous No.96495776 [Report]
>>96495274
What an horrid, horrid culture, them and the chinese.
More than1B each. What an horrible world we live in.
Anonymous No.96495796 [Report]
>>96495274
Hakan discussed this subject.
Anonymous No.96501435 [Report]
>>96466285 (OP)
Both are atrocious and irredeemable. That said, M:tG is still worse.
Anonymous No.96507408 [Report]
>>96493566
eventually you either run out of potential markets to shift to, or you fail in your reorienting and collapse. systematically abandoning your current consumers in favour of new ones will always fail in the long run.
Anonymous No.96507489 [Report] >>96507522
This entire thread is just seething over black people
Anonymous No.96507522 [Report] >>96507613
>>96507489
You didn’t read the thread, the primary gripe levied is that Magic has become Saturn devouring his children to survive.
Anonymous No.96507613 [Report] >>96507631
>>96507522
>As well as seething about black people
Anonymous No.96507631 [Report]
>>96507613
So what? I’m not throwing the baby out with the bath water.