Thread 96479099

8th edition effectively killed this setting and franchise. The setting progression destroyed it all man. How would we fix Warhammer?

Arch was right

Outercircle was right

Gamza was right

Why do chuds hate Warhammer so much now yet it’s the only setting they stick with?

>>96479099 (OP)
>pick whatever motherfuckin sci fi skirmish rules set you like xenos rampant, space weirdoes, stargrave, swatters, five parsecs, rogue planet, void pirates
>bring your spatial marines, I'll bring my /awg/ guys
>if gw gets too expensive just print

The problem is you need GW to do it for you except you don't really

>>96479181
okay I have a better way of killing GW

DO

NOT

PLAY

ANYTHING

40K

ADJACENT

You need to actually fucking play another table top wargame stop pushing their market share

do you have any actual specific issues or are you just mad that GW resized your toys and changed the default warzones from being stuck on Cadia and Armageddon for 15~ years to instead it being Vigilius, the Pariah nexus, and where ever the fuck Nids are invading

Warhammers the best it’s ever been?

>>96479214
nu lore sucks, primaris sucks, anything after 8th sucks im not arguing let me and the other grogs talk about it freely faggot boy

>other grogs
lmao fakegrog detected, you don't even own models

>>96479236
So what? I dont own overpriced plastic shit'? This defense only started in 2016 when 40k fanbots needed an argument

/tg/ used to be open about lore and modeling but now I need $100 boxes of primaris fagrapers to be a fan here

>>96479099 (OP)
Ok, thanks for letting us know, anon. We over here at /tg/ value your opinion greatly.

>>96479310
This threads gonna have 200 posts In a week 40k is in the shits now

>>96479227
>NOOOOOOO DON'T CHALLENGE ME NOOOOOOOOOO I JUST WANT TO WHINE AND SHIT MYSELF!!!!!
You are not a grog.

Gamza is a wannabe Synthetic man now and removed all his garbage terrain videos and locked them on patreon hes such a lolcow

>>96479099 (OP)
>The setting progression destroyed it all man
Even if you reset the setting to how it was during the 3rd and 4th editions it'd still be mid. Most Warhammer stories from that era were boring, formulaic, self-insisting slop. Bloodquest is the only Warhammer story that I think I enjoyed and even then it was very heavy on product placement.

>>96479099 (OP)
>How would we fix Warhammer?
Remove space marines as an army
Instead they're heavy hitting elites for the imperial guard/chaos

>>96479099 (OP)
There’s something in this image that makes it profound reddit, but I can’t lay my finger on what it is. There’s no way it’s just the shitty helmets.

>>96479310
Clown elf girlfriend when?

at this point every I've seen every edition be the supposed exact moment 40k died
maybe it was just always shit?

>>96479214
Why do Primarisfags insist on the size point. Firstborn have also been updated to it. The problem is that Primaris armor, weapons and vehicles just look lame as fuck, simple as.
>to instead it being Vigilius, the Pariah nexus, and where ever the fuck Nids are invading
Anon, don't pretend those settings have any kind of depth, or that modern 40K players even care about that. Pick me up games on the LGS are effectively set nowhere.

>>96479099 (OP)
Oh boooooo hoooooo my special soldiers man game with stupid lore got new stupid lore oh waaah waaah
Whingy fakegrogs would rather eternally cry than actually play editions they like

>>96480199
>Why do Primarisfags insist on the size point
because they look the same besides the size.
>but-
nobody cares
>Anon, don't pretend those settings have any kind of depth
Neither did Cadia or Armageddon, it's a setting for games played with plastic toys not something that actually matters.

>>96479099 (OP)
>Arch was right
Nah
>Gamza was right
Nah
>Outercircle was right
Always. The fact he makes this board so mad is further proof that this is nothing but a subreddit nowadays.

>>96480282
Wrong on all acounts.
>But-
Dilate. Also, you cared enough to reply.
Enjoy your Fisher Price Mario Kart atv.

>>96479197
>STOP HAVING FUN DOING THING YOU LIKE!!!!!!!!

No.

>>96480329
>no actual response
I accept your concession.

>>96480304
you post on his fucking facebook page dont you lol

>>96479259
This is a board about playing Traditional Games, if you don't play you should shit up somewhere else with your opinions, you fucking tourist.

>>96479099 (OP)
>Outercircle was right
MACCA was right, but what the fuck was he right about cunt?
GW being shits?
well i could have told you that,
that they ruined heresy by not paying attention to the customer and prioritizing short term gain over long term sustainability?
sure
but i think the bigger problem has always been the enablers, the fans who, for reasons i can't understand will eat shit. whatever kind of shit GW cooks up, they'll eat it.
that's ultimately why you have this, more than just GW miss-management.
because if people buy it, gw will sell it.

>>96480395
imagine being absolutely fucking destroyed by a 40y/o aussie.
>things macca has that you don't
>good opinions
>white skin
>iq above 90
>a family
>a home
>a career
>minis
get fucking felted faggot

>>96480282
>this post.

>>96479634
>when?
right now, round ear

>>96479215
Yeah... bout that

>>96479108
Why is Harry Potter still popular despite being problematic?
Maybe it's because all the unwanted stuff is tacked on and everything everyone wants is still there, despite the problems, else it would be abandoned?

There's also no other setting. Which isn't surprising, as Warhammer is a pick & mix of all settings, built on decades of Sci-Fi and its own writing, the bad writing casually forgotten.

>>96483391
40yo aussie here
41 next week
People who only play warhammer are weird
People over 35 who don't /hwg/ are chomos

>>96479099 (OP)
I mean I'm just into the hobby and lore and in that area its not that difficult to just consider all the 8th edition stuff not canon.

A tonne of my space marines are "Primaris" because actually the nearest forge world only has the blueprint for a variant of the Mk4 helmet, which looks like a Primaris helmet. The differences between the body armour are not drastic enough to bother me. Even my captain in Gravis armour is actually just in rare artificer armour. I avoid any hover tanks or the goofy primaris units. A Redemptor can just be a variant of a normal dreadnought. Assault intercessors are just tactical marines with a close combat loadout. Jump Pack intercessors are just assault marines. I bought a predator tank instead of one of the standard floating ones(bit small but not enough to bother me) along with using the Spartan from the age of darkness box. And so on

Mixing in HH marines also obviously works. I have a tonne of Mark 6 marines and a contemptor and stuff because the chapter is a second founding Raven Guard successor(kind of).

Even if I was to play the game I could generally contrive passable explanations for whatever stuff I don't like the opponent is running. They're running a bunch of primaris goofiness I don't care for, well they're renegade tech heretics my loyalist guys are fighting.

Then if you're collecting almost anything but marines your range is fine and does not necessarily reflect 8th edition lore. Even armies that completely came out since 8th edition are generally totally compatible with the older lore. Death Guard, World Eaters, Genestealer cults, Emperors Children, the chaos space marine refresh, Mechanicum, they're stupid expensive but the actual models are perfectly in line with pre 8th edition lore.

>>96479214
>Cadia and Armageddon
were absolute kino full of personality with their own signature regiments and lots of unnecessary, but useful, worldbuilding
>Vigilus, the Pariah Nexus, and where ever the fuck Nids are invading
Are absolute dogshit with zero attempt at worldbuilding them, they're just points on a goddamn map for fights to happen at. Nu-40k has been coasting off of the lore laid down 30 fucking years ago because it's incapable of creating interesting new places of its own.

>>96479108
Because their thought is, why should they leave? It's not like the old lore doesn't exist anymore, the potential is still there and the universe partitions itself anyway. It also costs literally nothing to throw flak at the people they think are retards. Fellas, hating is free.

>>96479108
Because they're stupid disgusting manchildren who can only consoom instead of creating.

>>96483493
Yeah? What's wrong with it?

>>96486190
>into the hobby and lore
kys secondary

>>96483853
There are dozens of other miniature games and warhammer being a ripoff of everything means there's plenty of stuff like or better than warhammer. WTF are you on about?

>>96486190
This is probably the right way to go about it to be honest.

>>96486513
You read the old books but you didn't read the new ones.
That's all there's to this.

>>96486739
>new books
What books? There are no books about Vigilus or the Pariah Nexus. There is one campaign mag about the 4th Tyrannic War but it doesn't worldbuild any planets or locations. There's no IA or WD articles about Vigilus or the Pariah Nexus or the 4th Tyrannic War.

>>96479099 (OP)
Sorry anon, GW has been prepping for the Amazon show to wipe away the old fanbase and fill it up with normies for a while now, you simply are not needed.

>>96486757
>There are no books about Vigilus
https://gofile.io/d/7whbSh

>"40k is dead!!!"
>it's more popular now than ever

>>96486849
The 40k most fans grew up with and loved is dead. All that remains is a corpse being puppeted by corpos.

>>96480331
If your goal is to break the 40k stranglehold, yes. You must make some sacrifices.

>>96486828
I loved these campaigns it was such a clusterfuck

>>96486870
Damn why don’t they just play with each other? Are they lazy or don’t give a fuck about 40k beyond what puppet the corpo puts in front of them

>>96483424
Looks like AIslop

>>96479099 (OP)
I don't care what you're favourite e-celebs think. 8th edition was a lot of fun.

>>96479099 (OP)
Fuck your e celebs

>>96479099 (OP)
I AM STILL MAD BECAUSE!
>we got hundred of new models
>new lore/progression
>GW didnt go under/didnt go bust
>your poor
>e-celeb said thing bad

>>96479236
>>96479263
If I was that anon, I would've never even bothered to admit such things lmao.
Fakegrogs not sending their best lmao.

>>96486933
No one is gonna go "Wargamers of the People, Unite!" lmao
Give it up, Lenin

>>96479099 (OP)
Get into epic Armageddon. It is 40k on the table done right.

>>96487863
>>new lore/progression
>>GW didnt go under/didnt go bust
And..?

>>96479634
Never lol, because 8th edition rendered them obsolete

>>96479108
you freaks ruin franchises faster than we can make them

>>96479099 (OP)
it died long before that frend, around 4th ed

>>96479214
Primaris is so ugly, they could have rescaled the old aesthetics but they did not, this is why I buy prints and tortugabay now, fuck GW

>>96480199
>Firstborn have also been updated to it.
Yeah with 5 same monopose garbage and ugly redesigns

>>96479108
Because marxists have to push their agenda everywhere and cannot let hobbies just be hobbies.

>>96483493
>go to a tournament
>get mad that it functions like a tournament

>>96491057
>Because marxists have to push their agenda everywhere and cannot let hobbies just be hobbies.
Ah yes, the renowned Marxists over at GW corporate

>>96479227
>Me and the other grogs
>talking about 8th ed
lol. lmao even

>>96491080
>>get mad that it functions like a tournament
And how tournaments are supposed to function exactly?

>>96490944
But anon, 40k wasn't created by alt-rights, it's been created by british punks.
Also, you cannot blame anyone but yourself for state of 40k

>>96491220
What kind of fucking punks have archeology degrees, an interest in sci-fi&fantasy fiction, and like to reference hard rock and heavy metal of the 70's and 80's?

>>96491286
You would be very surprised. The stereotype of punks all being dropout gutter rats is fabricated by pop media.

>>96491286
Alan Moore, Michael Moorcock, Rick Priestley, Andy Chambers

I agree even if you listed the three most insufferable faggots on YouTube

>>96480270
Fakegrogs of course never played any of the old editions, half of them are from 8th and then rest never played at all, so what did you expect.

>>96490944
>faster than we can make them
>than we
is this like white supremacists claiming that they somehow had a hand in things that other people made because they share a genetic trait? You didn't make anything anon, and neither did any of your /pol/ buddies.

>>96491789
Racists made virtually everything that was good.
I remember the internet before the iPhone came out.
It was the most racist place imaginable.
Made /pol/ look like an ADL meeting.

>>96491789
Early adopters of a product typically develop a sense of ownership thanks tot he time and money they have put into it despite not being involved in the management or creative process at any point.

>>96480199
All the redesigned armour marks in nuHeresy look like dogshit as well, HH is kill.

>>96479099 (OP)
8th edition killed it? You sweet summer child, every player thinks the version after when they started playing, killed the version they like, all the way back to first. Give it a few years and current players will be claiming 11th or 12th edition 'killed' the game.

>>96479227
>"Let me talk about what I want freely"
>"That means you don't get to talk freely to poke at my opinions though"
You can get sympathy from people for providing actually sympathetic takes on stuff, but /tg/ isn't a hugbox. You post a thread, people can post on-topic responses all they want.

>>96491093
NTA but the marxists are the ones making pennies on the dollar to shove their faggy propaganda in franchised bookslop, not that ones collecting a fat paycheck and not caring what the plebs get up to so long as the money keeps flowing.
>>96491315
Yeah, most actual punks were highly educated neonazis and rapists but the corpo-worshipping leftists that co-opted the aesthetic and ultimately killed the movement don't want you to know that.

The moment everything went to shit.

I don't really dislike primaris other than the phobos units being too tacticool.

But I do feel like they should keep 40K as it is with mirrored terrain etc as a containment game for competitive autists but do a Warhammer for Adults variant where you get 30-50 guys, 1-2 tanks, and 1 commander. And fill that mode up with random event tables, NPC aliens/monsters, complicated scenarios, and other stuff the competitive dorks will hate.

>>96479099 (OP)
I'm sorry to hear you're unhappy with it, and have been for so long. I guess you'll be moving on from Warhammer and investing your time and energy into a different game or activity, right?

>>96491789
>Warhammer 40k
>DnD
>old Avalon Hill strategy games
>Star Wars
>Lord of the Rings
>automobiles and flying machines
>electrical computers
>the solution to the longitude/latitude problem
>semi-automatic firearms
>space ships
>the LS series v8 engine
All made by racist white people
chuds stay winning

>>96479259
So by your own reasoning it only costs 100 bucks to graduate from being a youtube shorts retard and start posting like a real fatguy? Sounds like a good deal to me anon

>>96479108
They were there before the bootlickers showed up.

>>96492683
>move on

Why not just play good old editions with good old models? Its all still there.

>>96493569
>Why not just play good old editions with good old models? Its all still there.
one would think this is the first thing people would figure out but apprently no
also who cares what competitive players think just let them suffer with the shit editions they helped create

>>96491789
>brings up '/pol/' out of nowhere

Everybody who does this is a corporate bootlicker, fuck off.

>>96493610
ì do, gonna play a 4.5 apocalypse soon.

i stopped updating my warhammer rules when they got rid of templates and armour values