Thread 96492945

Hit them with the crazy eyes edition

>Previously in the Mortal Realms:
>>96481975

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>Thread question:
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>>96492945 (OP)
would.

Thinking about perhaps Khorne-ifying some chaos warriors since the normal blood warriors are... a bit on the goofy side. Head fits well enough size-wise I guess, dunno about the helmet crests clipping into the shoulders. I guess I could live with that since we have the cloak there to suggest some amount of flexible volume the crest could push itself into (that just isn’t modelled, as playing digital lego with the pieces here are about as far as my competence goes).

They were supposed to announce the winners of the Helsmith competition today on Warcom, is there any particular time of day they usually upload?
Is there a regular schedule?

>>96493090
Cool stuff anon, sure you couldn't move the khorne bunny ears up a bit ? Might help with the clipping.

>>96492945 (OP)
I can fix her

>>96493164
I won it, sorry
All of them

>>96493188
>Cool stuff anon
Seems I'm on the right track then at least, good.

>sure you couldn't move the khorne bunny ears up a bit ?
Surely theoretically possible, but in my case it'd likely demand a decent bit of study and practice to be able to do it. Might look a bit weird(er) too, as then they'd be more on top of the head than starting on the sides of it. Might be something to keep in mind as I look through the rest of the blood warrior heads though, perhaps some are set a bit lower than others and thus have both more room to move up and clip worse.

Where's the sunday preview James??

>>96493450
You're fifty minutes early.

Oh yeah it's happening now.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hdrpv0rg/sunday-preview-helsmiths-of-hashut-and-necromunda-enforcers/

>>96493688
>those spearheads
Huh, so they’re finally real. I wonder what took em so long.

>>96493688
This is depressing to compare

>>96493688
Huh I thought the boner spearhead was something you had to put together yourself, seems like a great box

Alarith Lumineth are pretty fun, not too complex, hit fairly hard and tanky AF

>>96493756
Anyone who bought the army box must feel like a retard now yowch

>>96493756
GW really hates Gitmob players, which is weird considering they don't even exist yet as a result of how much GW obviously hates anyone wanting to play them.

>>96493756
If they replaced the wight king with the new cav hero I’d be happy, but we’re stuck with a soon to be squatted model that comes in a square base.

>>96493756
Shitmob doesn't deserve good things.

>>96493779
They're the same price but the army set has the named hero?

>>96493800
the spearhead costs like 30-40 less

>>96493800
Spearhead has wolfgits, army set has the named guy
Army set is roughly 50% more expensive

>>96493819
Droggz is £37 and they're hiking prices tbf

>>96493779
Not really, the Armybox has a much better hero pack in. If anything the real insult is that the Spearhead doesn't include the massively Overpriced chariot hero.

I mean, it's all meaningless either way. There's no way to actually play Gitmob, you're paying out fat stacks of cash for units and heroes that are like barely over 100 points/box and they're shit regardless.

>>96493756
I'm still so perplexed and bemused by everything about Gitmob.
>pushed when nobody wanted them
>more cavalry in an army already loaded with it
>went from having a single unsupported unit to way too fucking many units
>rules are beyond dogshit
>prices are unreasonable
They're in a weird superposition of being both spoiled and abused by daddy James.

>>96493833
The spearhead is 500pts as a RoR and 530pts otherwise, the army set 510

>>96493756
I could buy like 2-3 of those skeletons and be good for the most part yea? Probably just need horse king

>TQ
Dont really have my own terrain *yet*, but I kinda wanna buy some cheap buildings and maybe sculpt some flames to make them look like they're on fire.
Its something I dont really see people doing online, nevermind my store.

>>96493688
Please stop making new AOS factions geedubz I beg of you

>>96493756
Snarlboss should be a Runtboss and their own thing. It's ridiculous that the established leaders are giants next to regular Gitmob but these runty guys also lead apparently

>>96493688
Every time I see the Dominator it gets worse

>Play Beastmen
>They get squatted and moved to TOW
>Play Ogres
>The range is getting replaced to almost certainly move my current army to TOW and replace it
>My other army is Maggotkin
>Its being rumored they are doing the same to them

Lads i try not to be a doomer but i feel like GW is sending a message i shouldnt even bother anymore. Like you can't trust any army to stick around with this 'models cant be used in two systems' horseshit.

>>96493688
I simply hate this world of warcraft ass looking garbage. This looks like ideas rejected from Warmachine for being too silly.

>>96493878
Nah it is fucking painful anon and you know for sure they’ll legends your models

>>96493878
I got into AoS with Swifthawk, then Greenskinz, then Bonesplitterz lmao
At least you'll be playable and it's just a matter of refreshes mostly.

>>96493756
They took the old sbgl spearhead down like a week ago, had a feeling this was coming. Also what's up with the one musician skellie in the bottom right having a way darker base lol.
>>96493878
I think they'll keep base sizes the same for your footsloggers, so unless you really liked leadbelchers (rip) you should be fine. Best of luck anon.

>>96493756
So I'm guessing that GW is trying to clear house of the old Wight King model since he's in this new box. I wonder if they have a replacement to be announced SOON™. I kinda hope so. Hopefully he'll be at least half as cool as any of the limited Wight King on foot models that exist now like Othar and Velmorn.

>>96493878
Doesn't sound like they're replacing them, just adding a bunch of dudes in armor.

>>96493878
At this point, I think almost everyone who got into AoS early has been burned at some point or another. Between Sacrosanct, Bonesplitters, BoC, the entire CoS range...things can be rough out there.

I'm in the same boat as you with Ogres, honestly. Fully painted army, ready to go, no telling yet what the revamp will look like. I'm mostly worried about base sizes desu, I'm mad about Leadbelchers, but if they up Gluttons/Ironguts from 40s to 50s I'm fucked.

>>96493917
>Also what's up with the one musician skellie in the bottom right having a way darker base
He plays black metal

>>96493843
Yeah Gitmob is bizarre. I really really love the new models even but between the rules and the prices I just can't justify buying in past the armybox I picked up before I knew how bad it was going to be. I'm kinda just hoping GW puts out a battleforce with the Catapult and Chariot Hero at this point, I don't know if anything else could salvage them.

>>96493932
If the leaks are true its effectively a replacement army. The existing kits all going to The Old World to be given the blue box treatment and even if a warscroll/unit sticks around they are a new kit with a different aesthetic because they are getting nervous about people that don't even play the game saying the mongolion look is racist and "orientalist".

>>96493843
>>pushed when nobody wanted them
I guess the studio did.

How is the game in your area?
>3rd put the game in a massive slump after the rules changes killed a lot of armies and Broken Realms really cemented how short a shelf life GW wants rules to have before selling more products while getting you excited about next products
>But hey 4th edition and despite the letdown of more snorecast annoyers we finally get new skaven models, even the whfb greybeards are winning!
>Then it just feels like the game exists to replace Warcry with Spearhead and nothing else
>My locals stop doing AoS night due to lack of interest
>Folks surprisingly actually prefer the old worlds rank and flank autism or move to Mordheim and Necromunda
>The last holdouts dropped the game when Malifaux 4th edition went into open rules beta
I really want to play more of the game but my friends only really liked Warcry and it feels like that just got a last hurrah pity PDF and spearheads its legit replacement at this point and nobody around here likes Spearhead and is sauceless terrain light gameplay that feels like the wargame equivalent of being a standard mtg player and going "i guess im not the main audience anymore".

>>96493756
For the knights, how many of each weapon option are there? Could I make all of them lancers in one box? I hate the "charge" pose the leader has with his sword up in the air. It's too reminiscent of the old kit and looks stupid considering how the horses are posed more in a slow walk than a charge.
I can't seem to even find a good picture of the sprue online and GW seems to flip a coin on whether they'll add one to their store these days.

How are ghouls looking right now? i heard some dumb bullshit like keywords being a mess after an FAQ and losing some or their iconic/flavourful stuff.

>>96493980
Gitmob goes back a longass time, really. The Snarlfangs were released in 2019, that was six years ago and they would have been conceptualized even earlier than that.

GW's 3+ year pipeline (and that's without delays) is so deep I don't think people really realize sometimes that everyone they put out today is shit somebody at GW thought was a good idea 3-5 years ago. It takes them like half a decade for them to pivot in response to feedback.

Incidentally Gitmob might have complemented Kruleboyz well since one of the glaring gaps in the Kruleboyz range is that of cavalry.

>>96493988
Yes they can all be lances from one sprue, you also get a banner and tuba option. (Which fucked me since I had some old black knight sprues to mix in the batch ans the new lances are wayyyy fucking better)

>>96494020
>swamp Cajuns
>wolves
Next you’ll suggest sylvaneth get chariots.

>>96494040
I'd certainly hope the new ones are better. In what way?

>>96494009
3 years development but deployment is another matter, GW sit on completed projects for as long as it suits them tbhon. I don't mean delaying IDK to the next financial year I mean they could be sitting on a major expansion and delaying it because of minmax warehouse throughput or expecting lower purchases for that window

>>96494043
Kruleboyz entire lore is that they left the swamp, the swamps in Ghur

>>96494063
Ackshually all of them, every single one, was in hiding in various swamps all across the realms for thousands of years so they weren't just in Ghur they were everywhere the whole time

>>96493985
Nobody's playing 4th edition at my LGS currently in favor of TOW
AoS models are still selling decently well to be used as TOW proxies

>>96493878
>don't get updates
>whine

>get updates
>whine

So what is a discount on those 2 spearheads, if they are priced like the others? I heard that they would be the biggest discounts yet

>>96494076
kind of a shame the only old style of chorfs to buy are the blood bowl models. I like the helsmiths, but it would be nice to have the option of TOW style chorfs to use as proxies in sigmar and vice versa.

>>96493999
it was a thing
just not a common thing

>>96494075
and now they're not

>>96493843
>>96493950
>>/tg/ when GW caters to competitive list building
>waaah compfags are killing the hobby
>>/tg/ when GW releases a cool model range that doesn't fill a new competitive niche
>i simply will not purchase models that don't have strong rules

>>96494097
Gitmob is $60x2 +$92 for the Chariots and $42.50 for the Snarlboss. So around $254.50-$145 for the Spearhead, a savings of around $109 or 57%

Great on paper as long as you ignore Gitmob is overcosted as hell to start with.

>>96494118
Don't put words in my mouth. My problem with Gitmob isn't that they're competitively weak; it's that they're prohibitively expensive and aren't spiders.

>>96494046
They're beefier, actual thick lances. Old ones are pencil thin and snap at the slightest touch.

>>96493985
There's a 40-something people escalation league ongoing, and finding people to play outside of that in the regional AoS discord seems easy enough as well. Only other wargame game I've seen people play in the LGS is 40k, not that I've spent all that much time hanging out there outside of my own games. ToW, 30k and Necromunda all get some shelf space, but I've yet to see any of them in action.

>>96494118
you know they can do both right? They can release cool models and give them rules that make them decent in the current meta? I guess the bigger issue is stuff like split factions like gloomspite gitz which is actually 3 different factions but instead of writing rules that make picking each subfaction good, they wrote it so that only one is decent and they want you to use all of them, despite still writing the rules in a way that doesn't benefit all subfactions at the same time.

>>96493985
Pretty good actually. 4th is divisive but bearable, but it's mainly spearhead bringing in a LOT of new players. It's pretty comforable the second game in my area.
>>96493988
I like the new kit in general, but the lethargic poses are kind of odd. I prefer the old black knights screaming skeleton charge look

>>96494100
and recasts
and a thousand third party models in-between the 4th ed ones and the fw ones and anything in-between

>>96494118
>No actually it's amazing when GW makes an elite all cav army with shit rules so you have to play them as a horde
>The closer to $1000 I need to build a full army the better!
>Is that a goblin hero on a chariot? He'd fucking better cost $100 for a guy that costs less than 200 points
>Truly, tourneyfags are the enemy here

How many bodies does the chariot gitmob hero kit come with? I have a leftover chaos chariot that I could probably makeover but I haven’t seen what’s on the sprue to work with.

>>96494126
I feel like the spearhead is roughly what I'd expect to pay for those kits msrp in a perfect world. At least they didn't put the doom dover in and shoot the price of the box up through the roof

>>96494004
People seem pretty happy, I have yet to nab the new book myself just due to uhh.... picking up a bunch of fucking nurgle... Butttt from the leaked units from the book shits lookin' good ,delusions are a fun system. Only real keyword fuckery is changing the Varghulf to no longer being a herp but an elite beast and dropping points (barely).

Otherwise shits pretty much business as usual.

>>96494161
To answer the question I would have to have bought the chariot hero, which I don't think anyone on the planet has.

>>96494097
Iirc the skellie on is around 30%, calculated with (current) yuropoor prices.
>>96494126
That is a still pretty damn good value but wouldn't that be a 42% discount and not 57%?

>>96494228
Yeah you're right, I was in a hurry and rushed my math and got it flipped.

>>96493688
Finally. Here we go!! Hashut Hashut Hashut!!!

>>96494118
>>/tg/ when GW caters to competitive list building
>waaah compfags are killing the hobby
This is unironically true
>>/tg/ when GW releases a cool model range that doesn't fill a new competitive niche
>i simply will not purchase models that don't have strong rules
This is the mindset of a colossal faglord who values winning more than having quality models. Rules are for 6 months-a year. Shit models are forever.

>>96494255
>Hashut Hashut Hashut!!!
Bless you.

>>96494228
>>96494126
They are both quite good discounts and I want all those models bar the wight king. I might even run that gitmob spearhead as a ROR one day.

>>96494118
goomba fallacy

>>96494310
I think 42% is the highest discount we've seen in spearhead, i think the new idk one is close at 40%. I guess the yndrasta one might also be in that ballpark, and so are the skaventide ones technically.

>>96494118
Can you at least change your schizo narrative to gw is trying to cater to compfags and failing miserably?

Large scale tournaments are significantly down in attendance this last year. If gw made the changes for comp players then they did a crappy job at understanding and what they want from the game.

On the flip side if gw made the game for new players then spearhead is doing well.

>>96494100
Looks like dad metal album art where the album has 0 standout songs

Shockingly, Hashtut armybox is only $200, making it the cheapest AoS armybox this year.

>>96494481
I mean it's only 14 fucking models even $200 is pushing it.
The book probably going to out of date the second it ships

>>96494496
The Gitmob army box was 9 models for $230. The Darkoath box from over a year ago was $210

I'm just saying, it's unlike GW to give their fans a break once in a while.

>>96494139
It's like they stopped halfway between a real aesthetic change. Like they were going for a more chill, marching look with the models but then sort of kept the riders almost the same as the old ones. Hell, I showed my friend pictures of both and told him to guess which kit was newer and he guessed the old Black Knights were new.. It really shows how little actually changed with them.

>>96494421
> Spearhead is doing 'well'
How do we know? And no, GW saying it is isn't an answer (they don't reveal how they track anything and they are known to manipulate the numbers anyway). Hell how they they track it. By box sales? That's a shit metric as a fair portion of AoS players (not spearhead) will buy a box or two for the discounted models (rarely two because GW specifically doesn't want you to get value out of doing that). This doesn't even account for spearheads purchased by TOW players. Is it events? Where are those tracked? Is it one day, two day, etc? Is it on BCP (again, another GW product I wouldn't trust), Malackery, some Euro thing? I hope it's not YouTube views, besides the kick off with over a year ago views on recent spearhead content are in the trash (the biggest with less than 35k views in 11 months is a free episode from Warhammer Plus).
How do people know spearhead is doing good?

>>96494481
Where are you getting the info from?
Either way yeah the usual price would be really quite over the top for what, 11 dwarfs and two warmachines? Granted the dominator is bigger than you'd think, but still.

>>96494539
The gitmob box was a huge flop and they know it. Hence the spearhead being released out of nowhere, probably so they can just move the product out of the warehouse.
The darkoath box gave you what, 26 models, including a hero and a monster.

>>96494577
GW's metric of tracking things is so weird. You'd think that they'd care primarily just that model kits are selling and not necessarily care which game is doing well. . Sure, knowing which games are popular is important, but the actual games are totally secondary to GW's product.
The way I see it, GW should stop giving a shit about keeping all of the games separate and track pure model sales as a metric of what to produce more of. Then, for the purposes of knowing the health of the actual gamnes, track things like tournament attendance, certain youtube channels (battle reports most likely), and ask for actual customer feedback about what people are playing. I ahve to imagine most people have a Warhammer account. THey could very easily send out monthly polls just asking people what they're playing and how they rate their experience. Let the fucking people buying your products tell you how they feel about the products and games.
>TL;DR
Just track pure model sales, don't silo everything into one game, and ask the customers how they feel about the games and models.

>>96494608
Yeah, out of nowhere, not like it's composition and rules were included in said flop

>>96494633
> The army box set contained rules for a spearhead that required models that where not in the army box
Either GW is retarded or you are anon

>>96494643
No, you're the retard and a fucking newfag

>>96494643
Anon, the contents of the Spearhead and rules for playing it were literally in the Battletome that came with the Gitmob armybox. It was also used as an Army of Renown in said book. Stop being retarded.

>>96494649
Ok anon show me the snarlboss pack unit included in this pic of the army set box.

>>96494660
Go back

>>96494660
Here anon, I'll help. If you look to the immediate right of the armybox set, you'll see what looks like a mysterious hardcover book of some description. Rumors are that book includes pictures of the upcoming spearhead box, and rules for playing it in both AoS and Spearhead.

Rumors also suggest that the exact same thing happened with the SBGL Army Box that came out a few months later, and that furthermore GW advertised the contents of these as yet unreleased Spearhead boxes for both armies months in advance.

I'm sorry that you've been in a coma for the last 10 years and didn't realize this is exactly how AoS releases work, but at some point you've got to take some accountability for your severe and crippling brain problems.

>>96493779
That is fucking grim... I know my FLGS has been taking shit out of the box and selling them all separate and even then I don't think anyone's buying them.

>>96494660
this shouldve been a spearhead :(, ridiculously low points value

>>96493688
Decals looking kinda nice. You can have cuneiform banners too!
>>96494437
Sounds like my kind of album!

>>96494577
I don't think there's any way for us to really know how well it's doing but purely anecdotally it's been a big succes locally, and from what I hear online that's not really rare.

>>96493870
>Please stop making new AOS factions geedubz I beg of you
Once we get a Kurnothi and Ulgurothi armies I'll have both the factions I want and then they can stop.

>>96493908
Of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most

>>96494881
We have Kurnothi at home.

Prices courtesy of tga
Supposedly the CoS box was also 200 burgerbucks, and that one was £120/€155. 240 bucks in canadian monopoly money. Glad to see it's cheaper than usual but it still feels like a pretty pricey box. In euros you just barely save money over just buying a spearhead + battletome, and usually you want bigger boxes to have a bigger discount.

>>96494949
No Spitewood release date or priced

>>96494964
I reckon we'll see it in October since the warband likely has a warscroll in the tome.

>>96494949
>$145 for Snarlpack and Deathrattle
That seems suspiciously cheap.

Will the Horns of Hashut have a warscroll in the Helsmiths Battletome? Has this been confirmed yet?

>>96495026
no
yes

>>96495026
They're confirmed to not be in it

>>96494993
It's the standard price for Spearheads atm.

>>96494993
isn't that what spearheads usually go for in the us?
Skellies are 30% off, gitmob like 40%
pretty good but standard for SH

>>96495034
>>96495045
:(

>>96495064
>Total value apart $204
You know what, that tracks. No wonder they included a $19 hero in it. I'm pretty excited at the idea of a new generic foot King though. They can't coast by on a 15ish year old model and limited availability foot kings forever.

>>96495089
would be a perfect pity hero for next edition yeah

>>96495069
A few threads ago we were discussing how to use them
They'd work well as command models for infantry (especially hobgrots) and if the UW warband has a warscroll you could perfectly slot 5 of the models in

>>96495131
I'm curious of the design path they'll take for it though. I hope it's not just more of the vaguely Eastern Europe look, but that seems to be the aesthetic they're going for even though that was seemingly supposed to just be for Cursed City and their Slavic beast vampire dynasty. I just want a more traditional Vamp Counts look for at least some models. I'm sick of the Slavic look. No more curved swords!

>>96495165
I don't think they'll do anything crazy, will probably look like the mounted king/lord but on foot. Maybe if they're feeling spicy they might give him some long hair like on the wh+ drama. Expect more of the "barrow" aesthetic imo.

Specifying that the Helsmiths only use unaligned shitter daemons they caught in the Realm of Chaos like route 1 Pokemon is the coward's path. Show me what happens when you shackle an Exalted Flamer and shove it in a flamethrower. Create a hellish engine that's powered by a Rot Fly's spite. Make the big four's minions your bitches!!

>>96494883
I can find the receipts lmao truly. I got into AoS with Spire of Dawn so Swifthawk was a given

>>96493878
Beastmen yeah fair enough you got fucked, but Ogres and Maggotkin they're literally just refreshing the models, unless you've got an army of pure Leadbelchers and Yhetees you're fine.

>>96495250
We still dont know if demons are going to be getting any sort of refreshes soon so they may be holding off on aligned fuckery for a while.
sad but its safe for gw

we still dont even know if nurgle are getting a refresh or if its simply a silver tower kairic acolyte treatment from warhammer quest.

>>96495284
lmfao

>>96495165
I dont really see anything slavic in the designs besides the Vyrkos stuff, even skeletons from cursed city are more middle eastern than anything.
I just want vyrkos to get some generic options for fucks sake, they even removed the Kosargy ogres, they were so cool.
Will probably make a necromancer themed Warcry warband in some time with them, using the executioner man eater as a Necromancer-Butcher and little encounter tokens as gnoblars

>>96495286
>silver tower kairic acolyte treatment from warhammer quest.
what exactly do you mean by that? Kairicks were introduced in warhammer quest, and then given a proper multipart kit

>>96495305
>6 years ago btw

>>96495317
inflation under 30%, yet brutes alone cost more now

>>96495305
Did it come with an undersized unit of 'ardboyz or were they just not all pictured on the box?

>>96495350
The champion is to the right amongst the brutes

>>96494631
Going to throw this out there anon: GW isn't a well-run company. They were one of the first companies to push wargaming and hobbying for it which got them a huge market share. They have used that inertia to maintain the market lead, but they do a lot of bizarre shit that in any competitive business environment would cause them to flounder.
Their main advantages is that gamers are obsessed with 40k lore + space marines, and that no other wargame has managed to sink the sunk cost fallacy.

>>96495350
ardboyz/chaos warriors/blood warriors and most other 32mm heavy infatry came in smaller sizes

>>96495284
nice

>>96495350
It was for skirmish so under MSU would be fine but prior to 3rd edition there weren't reinforcement restrictions so even if they were taken in blocks of 5 you could go beyond 10. They used to sell them in boxes of 15 iirc

>>96495375
Yeah, the Ironjawz SC came with 10 too

>>96495356
>that no other wargame has managed to sink the sunk cost fallacy.
the problem is that it only becomes fallacious thinking when the alternative is clearly superior than continuing with your sunken cost. other wargames have often proven to be/become shit enough that the formula doesn't clearly weigh in their favor.
>(sunken cost of GW models) + (value of continuing with GW games) = consoom-score
>If: (consoom-score) < (value of switching to new game) - (cost of new models) - (sunken cost of GW models), then consoomer will switch games

>>96495356
The monopoly kind of perpetuates itself, getting into any non-historical wargame that isn't gw is insanely hard to find people to play with. Gw essentially gives you a guarantee that your collection of minis will actually ser play.
That being said I don't think gw is THAT badly run. Lots of fuck ups but there's a reason aos has stayed consistenly hovering around the top 5 wargames while others have come and gone. Where is x-wing now? I think since 2015/2016 gw has figured out the formula and now they just get to sit back, raise prices every now and then, and watch their competitors shoot themselves in the foot.

>>96495356
>GW isn't a well-run company
Yes, just look at the scale at which they operate... Better hope fucking tiny ass Hicksville Nottingham can upgrade the power grid to support another factory if you ever want [your favourite model] to be in stock again ever

>>96495410
It’s up to those of us with friends to convince your buddies to try other systems. OPR might be easier since it’s model/setting agnostic

(I do wish I could more easily 1:1 my army rosters into OPR)

>>96495427
Homebrew some rules? The tournament bogeyman doesn't exist for OPR surely

>SBGL Spearhead announced to actually come out
>two weeks to get my 40K models done to avoid a true pile of shame forming
Damn I gotta get going on things.

>>96495436
Doesnt OPR literally have a unit and army generator? Idk how somone can have an issue adapting any assortment of models for those rules

I'm just glad the Gitmob split scalpers are getting fucked
30 for one sunsteala wheels my ass

>>96495299
I'm so down for more zombified versions of other races. The zombie ogors are cool. I hope they do something for a zombie gargant at some point. That's absolutely something a necromancer would love to raise. Did Nagash or anyone ever try something with Behemat's corpse? Seems like a waste.
Zondara was a pretty good kit so another Necromancer warband would be pretty sweet. The more SGL warbands that come out with distinct styles that aren't the eastern Europe/Middle Eastern look the better IMO.

>>96495450
I'm in a bad spot, I started the year with a minimal pile of shame, it's gotten a bit rough. Even though I have been catching up... I had my SBGL army finished until I fucking managed to get the new deathrattle army box, AND 20 extra graveguard for 40 bucks. On top of a bunch of army trading and terrain shit's built up crazy fast.

But it'll be fun projects to work on!

>>96495464
The gatebreaker with the executioner hood seems to be on theme for that, a guy painted one for his ghouls in this thread some time ago

>>96495356
Plenty of monopolistic companies are run extremely poorly and only continue by virtue of overwhelming existing market share or they're the only one doing a particular thing. Looking a Creative Assembly, another Brit company coincidently.
But there's poorly run, and then there's actively pitting departments of your company against each other and treating them as competing companies that aren't allowed to overlap. What other company would pit their sci-fi department against their fantasy department?

>>96495482
Das me! Got my ghoulgant.

>>96495482
>>96495500
Looks cool. If I were going to do that I'd go with a Frankenstein look. Greenstuff some stitches on the limbs and the neck like he's a scavenged abomination. If I had the skill it'd be cool to make some exposed bone.

>>96495424
GW is a poorly run company, with an incredibly popular product (spase muhrines) so it doesnt matter how much they shit the bed, they will grow forever, as long as they have another box of marines to sell

>>96495299
>>96495464
The zombie ogres were so fucking cool, kind of annoyed I didn't pick them up. I guess they'll turn up on the second hand market easily enough though. What could you proxy them as? Hopefully the ogre refresh will come with some more ror options.
>>96495470
Do you mean you got the graveguard for 40 or the box and graveguard all for just 40? Because that would be highway robbery anon

>>96495537
Man if I got both graveguard and the box for 40 I'd be sittin' pretty and probably have picked up more nurgle from that one guy. Nah I got the box cheap on facebook marketplace for like 140ish since it had a ding on it, then ebay'd the 20 extra graveguard for 40 from some random UK guy.

>>96495537
You could probably run them as crypt horrors, Flesh eaters have an option of running 2 per squad

>>96495560
That's what most people do, a couple boxes of them and you've got enough knights to wipe off half the board.

>>96495464
>Did Nagash or anyone ever try something with Behemat's corpse? Seems like a waste.
nope, nagash was too busy regathering strength and channeling the necroquake to make a rush for its corpse when it fell in the realmgate wars
I guess he was expecting it to rise under his control anyway with the necroquake's excepted success
until it got ruined by rats

last time we saw the location was during dawnbringers, when the ghyran crusade passed by, the corpse was a half devoured nest full of gorgers and mawpits

probably why nobody tries to mess with it now

>>96493903
AoS is trapped between not wanting to be a sequel and GW's dogged attempts to cut down on any sort of cross-pollination between studios or game systems. As a result, Helsmiths wind up yeeting most of the design elements of the classic chorfs, leaving them looking like zone mobs from WoW.

>>96493756

whoever did the modern hobgrot/gutrippaz and skaven sculpts for AoS needs to be fucking sacked. greenskins and skaven had such a good place in the warhammer universe before they got resculpted by the DEI hires. the modern sculpts lost the soul and humour they had before.

>>96495577
Now looking at it,
>>96495299
My idea would make quite a nice full 3 man squad of Ogre themed crypt horrors

>>96495587
This thing has so much less Aura then the pot its just sad that they are removing the pot for that

>>96495591
>skaven sculpts
>DEI
Are you mad that theres bald skaven in the clanrats unit or what?

>>96495591
>and skaven
man, you're blind

>>96495591
trying too hard lol

>>96495610
They're removing the pot for a moving one, not for the pit.

>>96495633
Oh, okay then, doesnt sound so bad, i should get one now anyway, its too much of a cool terrain piece

Question, there will be a last reveal this year or the sneak-peek of the Maggotkin, Fyreslayers, Ogors and Bonereapers was the last one?

>>96495455
Does it? I must’ve missed it on the site. I’ll check again later

>>96495668
Everything they've shown for AoS will likely be released in about a month. I'd expect another reveal show sometime in October

>>96495284
kek, took me a moment.

>>96495587
Maybe in 5th some interesting Death stuff will happen.

>>96495557
Yeah I had to do a double take when I read that, still a great haul anon.
>>96495560
Oh not a bad idea, thanks
>>96495589
All the old stuff (big hats, tusks, ringed beards) is still there, just executed differently to aosify them a bit. Not my favourite decision either mind you, but I don't think they're as different as people think. Legion of azbore was a far bigger deviation imo.

>>96495591
Why TOW retards come to AOS threads to say most imbecile, faggot things? Just to see if they can drag 1-2 insecure people into their ugly dead game?

>>96495668
There’s Warhammer Day as the last big reveal I believe, and then there’s Christmas boxes

>>96495721
>Yeah I had to do a double take when I read that, still a great haul anon.

the only sad bit is I was like "Oh boy my SBGL force is finally painted!" and now I've got like 60 new models to fuckin' paint. Also just traded some leftover glaivewraiths to some guy making some stupid tourney list or something for 2 of the 3 hollow blades, for some reason he wanted the snake guy. Thankfully I got an Arkhan on foot to fill out the third slot. I didn't think I would but looks like I'm all in on SBGL now.

>>96495532
GW will lose their main audience eventually, kids aren't going to be allowed £300 boxes of space marines

>>96495738
Companies have already figured out that 30 y.o. manchildren are a far better customer group than children, thats why all the lego sets are so expenive now too

>>96495752
People with jobs and money are much better customer bases than children who have to beg for shit and also have a bunch of rules towards advertising to them?

Say it ain't so anon.

>>96493903
>>96495589
i dont know what general you wandered in from, but age of sigmar has had over the top chunky cartoonish wow style high fantasy since day 1 over a decade ago.

that this would at all surprise you, especially after updates like lumineth, is on you.

Got carried away having fun making reminder cards for my StD...

>>96494004
I played against them today. Cryptguard are kind of retarded against melee armies (and absolute trash against ranged armies), and they just have way too much fucking fight-first/fight-last. I won because my opponent went full retard and placed both his archregent and Gormayne within pile-in distance of my Deathmonger Daemon Prince, who proceeded to whack both of them and then power through away to escape a very angry-looking Ushoran and Ghoul King on Terrorgheist- staring him down.Then again he fucked up and charged Ushoran into Binding Damnation range which meant I actually got a chance to kill Ushoran (after a unit of 10 marauders, heroes all, somehow managed to dunk 5 wounds into him). In the same turn, a unit of Cryptguard lost nine models and then proceeded to almost kill a unit of Chaos Knigths despite that. That 3+ to fight first is a stupid-ass rule on a unit with a billion attacks (if my Daemon prince hadn't managed to take out nearly half the unit, they would have wiped the knights and probably half the chosen too). Because Ushoran got slapped with a fight last and was pretty wounded at the front, I brought him down with 5 chosen and a warqueen, and then my exalted hero took his ghoul king to 1 wound, and it got finished off by the chosen's second activation. Here he surrendered, which, fair enough, but if he hadn't given me the game by ramming both Ushoran and his ghoul king into my reinforced Chaos Warrior brick I dunno what I would have done. That ghoul king is kind of insane too, Ushoran whiffed, but that thing killed like 14 chaos warriors who were on a 3+/5++. It didn't even roll well, it just has a truly absurd amount of quality attacks coming out of a single model.

>>96495794
These things are so cringe

>>96495700
>>96495724

Awesome. Thanks. I wonder what will the first to to reveal. Maybe the sneak-peeks were in order and the Maggotkin are the first?

>>96495723
I gotta say man this "reply to the baitposter with my own different kind of bait" thing is really not working out well for you

>>96495610
>they are removing the pot
wot?

>>96495966
New Maw fundamentalists got rid of weed.

>>96495589
GW needs people who actually like and care about the games and worlds at the helm in the c suite again and not these soulless fucking toy company execs. Who gives a shit if there's cross use between games? If it sells it sells. Christ let people buy the shit they want and use their armies in more than 1 game.

>>96495591
>DEI
opinion immediately discarded

So has malerion's new half bat/dragon/whatever form been mentioned since 1e?
And where the fuck is it states that he fused with his dragon? I've been hearing grumbling about that since 2016 but since I started to look for it I can't actually find any source stating so. Was it all just retards making up their own headcanon from the artwork and it catching on?

I am once again begging for a copy of the Flesheater Courts rules PDF

>>96496369
Check the last thread at the very end there

Is there a PDF of the new KO Battletome yet?

Surely the bringer of change will get more than a pity hero this edition hahaha...

>>96496329
Trashed after they decided to keep slaanesh instead of replacing him with malerion

>>96496375
That was just the fluff - i wanted to see the juicy rules

>>96496520
https://files.catbox.moe/ci2l45.pdf

Go nuts anon.

>>96496465
>They planned on replacing Slaanesh with the burn victim
Who the fuck thought that would be a good idea?

>>96496396
only the rules, the full battletome has not yet been released

>Looking forward to 5th
>4th is only a year old
Damn...

>>96496729
I don't blame people, GW really dropped the ball on a lot so far, although it feels like things are on the upswing. Same shit just happened with 40k and 10th edition there and those dweebs are doing great now.

Someone asked for the PDFs of the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd editions. Well, here they are.

https://files dot fm/u/p2hjvag9e8

>>96496811
and the 4th edition PDFs or at least some of them

https://files dont fm/u/q2z44k2gnz

>>96496668
Late fantasy/early AOS was a crazy time
A lot of their decision seem slightly less batshit once you realise they were overracting to the (perceived?) failure of whfb to attract new players, but still.
>>96496806
Fec seem fun at least, and chorfs look like they will be interesting. We're definitely past the copy paste stage but we'll have to see if the ruew writers can actualy come up with interesting shit

So basically all the first year codices are flops because they didn't even know what they were doing and now they're good at the cost of several armies being dogturds?

>>96496928
Yarp, which has been the case numerous times for any GW thing. At least rules are digital too so they can at least de-shittify them as time goes on.

>>96496928
The really fucked up thing is they go through this exact same cycle every edition like clockwork.

>>96496928
Aside from the stormcast and skaven one yeah

>>96496950
It's funny how many devs are like that, like near the end of whatever the fuck they're like "We've made everything perfect, quality of life out the ass, cool shit, community is happy" then new thing comes out and it's like someone hit them over the head with a brick until they all become drooling retards having to relearn the english language and provide something worthwhile.

>>96496679
If you can share the rules or anyone can really, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance!

>>96496977
bro look a little higher.

>>96496806
From what I can tell, the same basic ideas built the foundation of both 40k 10th and AOS 4th: simplify everything. And it's made it utterly uninteresting for me as someone who hobbies but doesn't play to even think about picking up the game. Hardly any magic, most abilities are basically the same, uniform and symmetrical play mats. It's all just so fucking boring.
>>96496888
Which is weird because it's pretty easy to see that WHFB was failing to bring in new players because of army sizes. NOT some weird lore thing. No one wants to start a new hobby by dropping a grand and having to spend hundreds of hours painting just to field a basic bitch army.

What should I do with the left over tzaangor bows

Will Sigmar, Malerion, the two gods Dorfs and GorkaMorka ever receive miniatures?

>>96497002
Missed that, thanks Anon!

>>96497010
Throw them away, if there's one thing Age of Sigmar has too many of, it's Tzaangors.

>>96497024
>Sigmar, God of Hammers
>30”
>1000 health
>1+ save
>100 control
>Ward 2+
>Comet Strike (480” S50 A100 H2+ W3+ R7 D100 Crit (Mortal))

>>96497004
Yeah I think that's why they had the, at the time pretty baffling, idea to just do away with points and let people just bring what they wanted. It seems insane (and it was) but when you realise it was an extreme overreaction to the bloated army sizes of late whfb it starts to make more sense. Again this goes for a lot of weird 1st edition-isms.
I do think it's a little more complex than just bloated army sizes though. For example, gw was a pioneer when it came to switching to plastic minis instead of metal, which paid off in the long run, but at the time of the switch caused some problems. Late metal minis often look better than early plastic ones. This is kind of a problem when gw introduces updated minis, because why would you buy a new version of the stuff that you already own that just looks worse? And I don't mean stylistically, just mechanically worse. So in response gw upped army sizes to try and squeeze money from veteran players, but also scaring off potential new blood, beginning the "death spiral" if we're being dramatic.
Or so I've been told, what the fuck do I know.

>>96497058
>at the time pretty baffling, idea to just do away with points and let people just bring what they wanted.
Theres plenty of people who actually enjoyed that

>>96497024
Never because they are very powerful, it would be like releasing a miniature of the 40k God Emperor

>>96497058
To add to your takes, the reason they went with "insane high fantasy" for 1st aos (less so later but still) is because of the community reaction at the time to stuff like Demigryphs

>>96497004
>From what I can tell, the same basic ideas built the foundation of both 40k 10th and AOS 4th: simplify everything. And it's made it utterly uninteresting for me as someone who hobbies but doesn't play to even think about picking up the game. Hardly any magic, most abilities are basically the same, uniform and symmetrical play mats. It's all just so fucking boring.

That's exactly what my problem was, mind you I basically popped my cherry on actually playing as an excuse to buy more minis and justify it but that's a whole other issue. I think they're stupid as fuck thinking that they could get away with just sanding everything down too a smooth little ball and think that's gonna turn out okay, maybe as like a "we're back to 1st edition" level jumping off point. But even then there's still lots of people who played and enjoy the fucking game who aren't happy with this bullshit.

>>96497079
But isn't sigmar just on par with fuckin' Archaon or Nagash?

>>96497097
NO, Sigmar vastly outclasses them, so much so that Archie had to cheat just to have a chance of beating him, and Bones had to drug himself with kingdom stones to try and stand up to him.

>>96497133
I keep forgetting power scaling is stupid and pointless 90% of the time because there's never a fair fucking fight in this universe.

But good for siggy, I think an Avatar of him would be hilarious (like a little tiny human sized guy instead of some massive fuckoff centerpiece) but GW wouldn't do that because having a 500 point model be like 20 bucks is unthinkable.

>>96497079
And yet Archaon, Alarielle, Nagash, and Teclis all have models. He's not appreciably stronger than any of them.

>>96497072
The kinds of people who enjoy just mashing action figures together I'm sure

>>96497024
>malerion
Almost certainly. Soon™
>the two dorf gods
Grungni isn't really much of a fighter and grimnir is dead, I wouldn't count on it. Maybe we'll see an eidolon of grimnir type deal. Valaya's been mentioned a lot in the hashur article, who knows...
>gorkamorka
No
>Big Sig
I would also say no but then again I thought the loyalist primarchs would never return and yet here we are
>>96497090
In hindsight the community grumbling about 7th and 8th edition releases must've been annoying af for an exasperated gw at the time lol. There they were desperately trying something new only to have people shit all over it.
>>96497133
Why is siggy so powerful anyway? Nagash had to eat an entire realm's worth of deities yet sigmar just smashes shit all day.

>>96497163
Mate, you are playing toy soldiers, no matter how much you want to pretend that its like chess, or some shitty esport

>>96497157
Please, Archi had to take his hammer away because if not Sigmar would have killed him and the fairy queen of the forest would have almost finished her off Nurgle if it weren't for the intervention of Sigmar and his legions of immortals and Teclis, well, not a god, he's his brother Tyrion and it's only because of him that Teclis hasn't died.

>>96497197
I'm pissed that Nagash gets bodied constantly and Sigmar is like Goku where he's too stupid and if he went all out he'd get killed by healing Archaon for a fair fight or win up losing his fucking hammer again.

Oh god, is Nagash Vegeta

It's been 10 years why are Fyreslayers still in a garbage state in terms of creativity and design?

>>96497217
because its not made for you

>>96497214
Of course not, Nagash is more like Yamcha.

>>96497217
The only issues that Fyreslayers have is the loss of all their ranged weapons in the simplification of 4e.

I think it would be funny if Fyreslayers got some "normal" dwarves but in the lore they're the outcasts because they don't scream naked into fights and are basically a cleanup crew for their shaaghs (short waaghs)

>>96497217
You can't get much out of an angry dwarf with a Mohawk and a pyromaniac, so his homeless brothers are going to join them in the next edition.

>>96497244
They lost them due to the future arrival of their brothers with bows, crossbows and muskets

>>96497250
"Look at that fucking freak, wears heavy armor and uses a shield. Hell, I hear his brother is building a cannon."

>>96497250
That will be a fact in the 5th edition.

How fucking retard do you have to be to writesomething like that? You already deal a random amount of damage, theres 0 game design reason to make it randomly do nothing, it already can be a fluke

>>96497286
You will need armor, shields, and firearms if you want to survive the future war you will have with your bull-loving demonic cousins.

>>96497306
Games Workshop stuff, nothing new

Please tell me if the Gargants get a battletome in this edition.

>>96497384
Not yet. Probably not soon, either.

Am i missing something, or do ogres have no way of buffing the Beastclaw weapons, besides the Stonehorn Huskard ability? None of the other ones i see can buff Companion weapons?

>>96497432
Forgot pic for attention

>>96497384
In the 5th edition all factions will receive a new battletome. I have no proof but no doubts either.

>>96497217
Because whoever was in charge of spinning slayers out into a faction lacked the creativity of whoever was in charge of making a faction of ghouls interesting.

>>96497437
Which is more powerful, a stonehorn or a thundertusk?

>>96497452
slayers are mostly held down by their main infantry kit trying to be "dynamic", a bunch of weapon options, and have completely interchangable pieces all at the same time

>>96497463
Hard to tell in 4th, because lord, Huskar and beaspack for each of the mounts all have different abilities, which is retarded.
But before that Stonehorn was pretty much THE bestcalw raider

>>96497463
Stonehorn. Thundertusk was good briefly in 1st Edition and has been paying for it's sins ever since.

>>96497463
Well, let's see, a stonehorn is of the normal/rock type and the thundertusk is of the lightning/ice type, so I think the thundertusk.

>>96497516
But what, this isn't Pokemon, idiot

>>96497306
GW pays their rules writers barely above minimum wage. You can't expect competence from that.

>>96497470
I hope for the Slayer's sake their mainline infantry are getting redone.
IMHO a faction with a shit main infantry sculpt tends to struggle no matter what else you stack on it.

>>96497546
>I hope for the Slayer's sake their mainline infantry are getting redone.
Haram, go fuck up another faction, infidel.

Do the gravestones in the new Deathrattle represent anything in game or are they just cool tokens?

>>96493932
I got in at the start of 4th with CoS and the Spearhead box. I just got into Ogors too. My only safe army is Hedonites because they're the Literally Who of Chaos armies and have been in lore and product popularity.

>I keep getting fucked and I don't like it

>>96497622
just tokens, use them for whatever

>>96497644
Funny how they used to be important and now they're just worthless because GW streamlined the flavor out of the rules.

>>96497629
>>I keep getting fucked and I don't like it
>slaanesh player doesn't like getting fucked
skill issue

>>96497666
Factual. I will relube my bussy.

>>96497384
I wish Gargants weren't locked to destruction so I could put them in a Chaos or Order army. I think they make more sense as a one-off unit rather than a full army.
>>96497629
This is part of why I want to make a Tzeentch army, I know Tzangors and horrors aren't going to get booted for some new FOTM units.

>>96497695
They're not anon, I believe each of the main factions can get a mega gargant as an RoR

>>96497622
>>96497644
>>96497654

Speaking of, the passed out vomitting goblin in the fanatics set, is he used for anything? Or again, just a flavourful token?

>>96497766
My first thought was to mark which unit they are hiding inside, but it doesnt make much sense as your opponent is not supposed to know

Does anyone have the audio book or pdf for soul wars?

>>96497766
Put him on the base of any destruction aligned wizard and he fits pretty well

>>96497629
>I got in at the start of 4th with CoS and the Spearhead box
Those are LITERALLY all safe.

>>96497881
Idk anon… tow might get the free guilfers…and one of the cav knights is just a rip on the knights of moor…

>>96497881
>army getting lower and lower in points with a majority of the warscrolls being dogshit.

>>96497629
Cities of Sigmar is totally safe. Keep collecting them. We are getting more soon (war priest, arch-knights and new anti-elf marshall hero).

>>96497629
CoS and Ogors are safe, worst case scenario for ogors is a base size change (the units will most likely stay the same).

I don't think any armys are in danger, even Maggotkin despite the rumored "rework" of blight kings. Feel free to save this post and mock me relentlessly when the time comes, I don't think GW is gonna start killing shit. But you know what, if they Barrowguard ogors then my condolences because that shit is mighty fucking annoying. I was so pissed because I had some graveguard but didn't have the slightly larger bases to slap them on.

>>96498062
>didn't have the slightly larger bases to slap them on.
I think there a base converters are whatever, but yeah I can understand the annoyance of the fact.

>>96498062
I'm more worried about Ogors getting the AoS treatment of being overly detailed models. At least they're bigger so it won't be as much of a pain if that ends up being the case.

>>96498083
>I'm more worried about Ogors getting the AoS treatment of being overly detailed models.
For better or worse Helsmiths kinda proved that AOS models dont always have to be overly designed. They're rumored to be more barbaric anyways so they probably wont have trinkets as well.

>>96498109
>hey're rumored to be more barbaric anyways
Beastclaw chads won in the end

>>96494881
we dont need more elf-shit

>>96493756
What makes the Gitmob so bad? Not enough attack? Too brittle?

>>96498181
Its about a bad deal money wise, those chariots are tiny

>>96498181
They just dont really do much of anything all around

>>96498181
a mix of not really a lot of models, the models themselves being kinda small (keep in mind those are grots, so they're half as big as you think they are), all of those units were also very bad and got several points decreases so as far as filling out an army goes you get almost nothing (its 530 pts total, 200 of which is just the underworlds warband repurposed, and overall about 30% fewer points than most spearheads), plus the gitmob stuff is just terrible on the table even after multiple consecutive points drops and buffs. they're pillow fisted, fragile, lack good interactions synergies or buffs, just not good at all as units and a subfaction.

>>96497178
why do you think there's a distinction.

>>96497217
garbage begets garbage.

>>96497629
>start of 4th with CoS
no right to complain then.
>just got into Ogors
nothing even happened to them.
>I keep getting fucked and I don't like it
no you havent.

>>96498181
They do no damage due to no rend. They tried to bandaid it with sog but the implementation sucks.

>>96498062
I'm curious about the blight kings stuff, because they hold so well. Maybe they want to move to a more knightly theme with them? Hard to say as of now.

>>96496329
>And where the fuck is it states that he fused with his dragon? I've been hearing grumbling about that since 2016 but since I started to look for it I can't actually find any source stating so. Was it all just retards making up their own headcanon from the artwork and it catching on?
It was always made up. Not mentioned in the lore even once.

>>96496329
>Was it all just retards making up their own headcanon from the artwork
yes, you just did it too

>>96498491
ogres and blightkings are both in the luxurious position of being on 40mm bases. so much of the game is on 40mm bases that even if they were to outright squat maggotkin and ogres as an army and just remove them all together, you could still just as easily take the models and run them as ironjawz brutes or chaos chosen respectively. as long as your shit isnt on 25mm or some wonky large base size like 60mm or an oval of some kind, you have a ton of proxy options throughout the game, so GW can never really squat dudes you already own.

the only trick is actually getting the models you want from the store before they remove the kits, if in fact thats what they end up doing. and even then there are a boatload of ogres and maggotkin models on secondary markets like trolltrader for cheap. even with the tarrif nonsense its still probably cheaper than retail.

>>96496329
>Malekith is now called Malerion
>Had a dragon called Seraphon
>Looks like a dragon thing
WHF fans saw that image, the new name, and declared "he fused with his dragon" without having read anything about AoS. It caught on with that community because "that sounds dumb or weird, I believe it! I hate AoS!"
Yes, it is that fucking stupid. The only fluff Malerion has in 1e is that image, "I wonder what he's doing in Ulgu", and how he cooperated with Tyrion to hunt Slaanesh.

>>96498592
>without having read anything about AoS
they wouldn't find anything about malerion anyway

How do you kill Alarith lumineth?
Fuckers just tank everything I throw at them while Teclis counters all my spells, aoe's my entire army and keeps every morbid spell up at all times.

>>96498491
stands to reason that eventually they would start replacing stuff that came out in The End Times, just like one day they will replace stuff that came out in actual AoS times.

>>96498672
>blightkings are too new to get repla...

>>96498672

>one day they will replace stuff that came out in actual AoS time.
>one day

>>96498681
blightkings are too new FOR GOOD KITS to get replaced

>>96498684
I know they replaced stormcast, but thats a special case, one day they will start replacing things like blood warriors and arakanaut company and shit

>>96498684
I'm mostly over it, but I'm still very much not over it.

>>96498685
>GOOD KITS
liberators are for connoisseurs.

>>96495146
>They'd work well as command models for infantry (especially hobgrots)
Holy shit that's a kino idea actually.

>>96494986
>I reckon we'll see it in October since the warband likely has a warscroll in the tome.
I don't believe that'll be the case. Do any of the Underworld Warbands have warscrolls these days?

>>96498650
A few dozen Stoneguard hold off a vast army of Hedonites for almost a full day on their own in one of the novels so it fits that they'd be tanky af if nothing else lol

>>96498741
God, the cringe.

>>96498160
> Redo the ogre aesthetic
> But keep the monsters and their riders which will stick out like sore thumbs
Worst timeline

>>96498872
> Redo the ogre aesthetic
Literally every single ogre kit so far is completely in line with the old riders, besides just mechanical quality

>>96498872
They're redoing the shitty riders though

>>96498872
>which will stick out like sore thumbs
no, they won't

>>96498877
the proportions of the bloodpelt are entirely different

>>96498600
That's no basis to just make shit up like a retard

>>96498907
Welcome to the tribe brotha

>>96498927
the fucking racist ass lips and tongue on kragnos lmao

Do trees have cities? Or towns? Or just someplace where they like, live?

>>96499010
No.
No.
Yes.

>>96499010
Isnt that just the living city

>>96499010
In the realm of life there are no cities or houses, only open space living rooms

>>96499010
They're called greenholds. I have no idea how they work and what sylvaneth "civilian" life looks like but they do exist.

This composition is fine but imagine if the liberators in the foreground had been allowed to eat three hearty meals a day before going into battle.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/3kfvbkog/pour-scorn-on-the-foes-of-hashut-with-daemonsmiths-bull-centaurs-and-ashen-elders/

>>96499359
I don't have a fetish for obesity, why would I want to imagine that?

>>96499304
>sylvaneth "civilian"
IIRC those don't really exist in the modern era. One of the tragedies of the War of Life was that any sylvaneth who either wasn't a warrior or couldn't become one ended up eradicated. Originally only the forest folk like dryads weren't expected to do any fighting, that was for the noble spirits and free spirits to handle. But in the present every single one of them is expected to be a warrior in addition to whatever else they do, meaning they are proportionally more militarized than Sigmar's whole empire.

>>96499372
Because you appreciate the soulful chonkiness of fatcast liberators.

>>96499359
fat lesbians, my favorite

>>96499359
Do they have two French sculptors named Maxime? Since they tend to not credit their employees by their full name, I wonder how many interviews and stuff I've read where I assumed it was Maxime Pastourel talking and not this guy.

They did the sovl filter meme

>>96498751
>Do any of the Underworld Warbands have warscrolls these days?
Some are genericized and usable outside of Legends, like the Plaguepack for Skaven and Snarlboss/Wolfgit Retinue for GSG.

The poster boy paint scheme is apparently associated with ye olde Forge Anathema in the Great Parch's Adamantine Chain mountain range. Meaning they are likely righteously pissed off because the skaven exploded their whole backyard.

>>96499468
Where the Forge Anathema is repping the faction as an industrially diabolic powerhouse, Ur-Zorn in Ghur is the older city and has a focus on the Hashutite priesthood.

https://youtu.be/M6mV-4Gwa-0
>ghur: old chorfs
>aqshy: chuardins
>shyish: dreadfleet
>chamon: azghor
I think and hope they fucked up and swapped the colour schemes for the ghur ones and the shyish ones
because fuck representing the old ones with anything but red and fuck not representing the sea ones with blue-green

>>96499488
And while Ur-Zorn is intended as a throwback to the Chaos Dwarfs of WHFB's 5th edition, Zharr Vyxa in Shyish's Sea of Drowned Sorrows harkens to the Chaos Dwarves of Dreadfleet.

>>96499359
Looks like OBR but better. Imagine getting 3 up saves without a 520 point hero keeping you in a bubble and spending 25% of your command points.

>>96499491
Every time I see mention of how HoH take visual inspiration from classic chorfs I question if I'm blind or if everyone is blind

>>96499447
Lmfao it actually works too
Also lol at the fyreslayer dragging the kharadron (?) away

>>96499447
>guy in front wielding a hammer
Illegal loadout!

>>96499491
it should be
>ghur: new ones: purples
>aqshy: old ones: reds
>shyish: oil riggers: aquamarines
>chamon: ea-nasir: warm metals
>eightpoints: chaos simps: cold metals
>hysh: crystals and gems: rocky greys
>ghyran: anti-natures: browns
>ulgu: anti-narratives: blacks

>>96499521
>big hats
>tusks
>scaled armour
>big ringed beards
I mean they gave them a definite aos spin but id mantic or whatever came out with the helsmiths range wouldn't you just go "oh right those are chaos dwarves".
Once again I think they're actually closer to oldchorfs than the forgeworld stuff was. Doesn't mean I'm 100% on board with the direction they've taken, but still.

>>96499540
It's ok, he's got a loicense

>>96499563
I see. I guess the thing for me is that I view that as kind of a non-negotiable, bare minimum essence of what a "chaos dwarf" is.

Another game another time Big Red proceeds to kill a 100pt unit then gets ripped apart by their hammer

>>96499587
Mhm, I understand that. They're a departure for sure. What would you say is missing, for them to really be considered a successor?

>>96499608
How’s the weather in Pripyat this time of year?

>>96499637
link to the infernal guard STL?

>>96499608
perhaps charge the fulminators next time instead.

>>96499637
I'm not entirely sure. It might just simply be the lack of chaos iconography like arrows and stars. Oh, and a weird absence of axes; what's up with that? There's like one in the HoH range and it's certainly not the iconic half-serrated design.

>>96499491
I want it noted for the record that not all the five vampiric dynasties represented by the various bespoke character models in Soulblight Gravelords have their own respective paint scheme.

>>96499865
that's because nobody cares about fanggots and because they're not even proper subfactions, just special characters.

>>96499907
>because they're not even proper subfactions
They were literally all subfactions until 4E gutted subfactions, though? They had the most defined subfactions rules of any army in 3E

It's just in 4E you're not allowed to have lore connected subfactions, so they're all just random bullshit no one remembers or cares about.

>>96499974
>legion of blood: they're... uhhh... neferata
>legion of night: they're... uhhh... manfred
>vyrkos: they're... uhhh... these 5 special characters
>avengori: they're... uhhh... this one hero type

>>96497840
Try this link to see if it's what you're looking for.

pdfcoffee dot com slash soul-wars-pdf-free dot html

>>96499974
>>96500009
>>96499907
>>96499865
Life was better when we were known as Legions of Nagash and skeletons were king.
Like the vampire stuff is neat and all, but we were ROBBED.

>>96499441
I'm surprised they fully named the miniature Sculptor, GW always seem to hate crediting people on work they have done.

Didn't have the snake dude with my blades, Arkhan feels like a good replacement.

>>96498907
Lmao hey fags
>>96498877
>>96498890
See pic above post. The heads of the current guys are so out of proportion with the new stuff it's not even funny

>>96499778
I think the Lore reason for the lack of axes is that Axes are a weapon of Grimnir, and as these guys have turned their face away from the Anseostor Gods so they started using other weapons.

>>96498927
Big 'WHERE THE WHYTE WOMEN AT' Energy

>>96499428
YOU ARE NOT PREPARED

>>96500206
Not feeling it, the snake dude too was way weird in the trio
I think it should be a ghost

>>96500206
Oh shit, glad to see you're here. Mind posting a new picture of your foot Nagash? I've always admired your little image since 2e.

>>96499508
Ehhhh OBR can give out a buff a phase for free to everyone wholly within 12, you don't have to balance a resource every turn (and once you get engaged you might suddenly lose your access to the Desolation tokens to get DPP).

>>96500208
>The heads of the current guys are so out of proportion with the new stuff it's not even funny
The heads of the monster riders are already smaller than the current guys' and any potential difference wouldn't be noticed in the slightest because they're not placed side by side at the same level but mounted on the monster

>>96498927
>kitbashing kragnos into a half zebra black ogre
Should have gone all the way with lion pelt shield and putting a bone through his nose if your were going to go full Zulu

>>96500249
Where did you people get the idea that there are going to be any riders in the release? they are slightly beastclaw themed, because of the Hunters unit, but the resit is all gutbusters as far as i understand

>>96500241
I'm afraid I'm a different anon! I just made Arkhan on a whim a year or so ago!

I'm the guy with the ghoulgant and green FEC! I'd post by SBGL but they're pretty generic other than Lauka vai with legs

>>96500238
I'll keep it in mind! I don't have the snake dude regardless cuz I got these guys in a trade for like 13 glaivewraiths I had laying around and only came with the 2.

>>96500247
The desolation tokens just require you to cap it once, you don't have to keep control of it.

There's a command ability and other ways to hand out DPP. It's not that big of a deal to get it rolling honestly, and if you have a decent amount of game knowledge you can predict where you're going to need it most.

The OBR battle trait is really overrated. The 5+ ward is only for combat and only half the times do you get to avoid combat mortals with it because you activate it after you enemies abilities in combat. +1 wound when most of your units are wounding on 4's anyways, +1 save when many are on 4+, +2" move when many are conveniently 2" slower than other units.

Retreat and charge is really the beneficial one but not really a benefit when your cav cost more than other equivalent cav with those bonuses baked in.

So in the end it's more of a break-even or minor buff, in exchange for being worse than many other elite factions per point and restricting your movement.

>>96495591
I like the Kruleboyz vibe. Gutrippaz still have a little goofiness to them but they are much more menacing than Orks normally are

>>96500337
>Where did you people get the idea that there are going to be any riders in the release?
From the dude saying mournfangs are getting updated?
Don't get your butt twisted about the gutbusters and beastclaw division, it was a mistake to begin with.

>>96500398
Wait I just re read the article.
So it says at the start of a turn if you aren't in combat OR contesting terrain, you get a desolation token.
You are saying you don't lose the desolation token once you get it?
So at the start of the first game turn, when nothing is in combat, everyone just gets one, you hold it the rest of the game, and you can keep cashing it in for DPP?
Fucking stupid

>>96500405
honestly I didn't care for them at first, but actually seeing the models up close... They're really nice. I love the little jaggy and uneven bits, the goofy shields, and the little grouchy faces they're making.

>>96500398
> OBR trait is overrated
Sadly yes
> 5+ Ward only for combat
Unfortunately yes...
> Only half the times do you get to avoid combat mortals
What the fuck are you talking about. You always get to turn it on before they use a fight ability. Or are you talking about shit like rampages and shitty 'on a 3+ do d3 MW' shit (which you shouldn't care about for 90% of them)
> +1 w when mostly on 4s
That makes it an actually valuable ability
> +1 save
That's not a relentless discipline ability that's a Katakross CP ability, and it's insane you brush that off, 4+ to 3+ is huge
> +2 move, some of your guys are slow
I mean that still makes it very valuable then.
> Retreat and Charge good
Yeah, it's just bullshit it doesn't ignore the MWs like 99% of the other retreat and charge abilities in the game
> It's break even or minor
It's huge for the army even if it isn't as mechanically powerful as other abilities in other armies

>>96500545
Read nigga