Thread 96498952

Elf superiority edition

>Resources:
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>TOW:
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/

>Warhammer Chronicles:
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>Time of Legends:
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>The End Times:
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>Alternative Models:
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>Previous Thread:>>96485407

>TQ: What do you want to see in future Arcane Journals?

>TQ
Some actual damn flavor.

I can't keep up with all these fucking threads, it's going too fast for my old ass.

>TQ
I don't use magic items or named characters so I don't care. I'd like to see more hero options for Bretonnia though. Maybe a Questing Knight on Questing Beast, Grail Knight or Hermit Knight Loner duelist on foot, or a sneaky Herrimault bandit character who can lead Squires, Bowmen, or Brigands.

>>96498964
Arcane journals are too small for that

>>96499014
We complain about aphantasia in young people today, but back then, people apparently could not come up with creatures that weren't made out of parts of existing animals.

>>96499040
>people apparently could not come up with creatures that weren't made out of parts of existing animals.
can you? or are you going to pretend filing off the brandings from body parts you're going to use is enough to say they don't come from something else?

>>96499057
Attacking me as a response tells me that you are feeling personally attacked for some reason.

Da Greenbones.

>>96499076
I'm not attacking you, I'm trying to make you think about what you just said.
Real originality is a misnomer, there's nothing new under the sun, only ways to mix them.
Expecting someone to imagine something that bears no traces of anything else he's seen or heard about would be like asking them to imagine a new color beyond the visible spectrum.

>Have burgeoning community
>Elect to play Expeditionary Force because I love Dwarfs and that was my preferred playstyle in Total War, figuring I'll expand into Royal Clans and such after
>BTFO most of my opponents doing what EF does (softening them up, destroying exposed large monsters, opponent sighs in relief when they finally reach me only to be lol parried and lose in combat res)
>Opponents nice enough about it, but can tell they're frustrated and getting concerned people might start avoiding games with me
>Start intentionally nerfing myself. Working on more miners, another cart, and kitbashing another gyro to make slightly weaker/more interactive lists before working on more melee units for royal clans
I regret doing Xforce first rather than the other way around- I would've reached 2K points way faster focusing on elite and 90% easy to paint metal ironbreakers and such and probably wouldn't have had as many miffed opponents.
Any advice on nerfing myself in the meantime? Or any good missions that might kneecap me? I played King of the Hill with Wood Elves and just parked my giant thunderer block on it, so unless I intentionally sabotage myself that's out.

>>96499199
What races are your opponents playing? Unless you are bringing 3+ bits of artillery with a blitzkrieg of gyros, I don't see how you're mowing down your opponents into putty.

>how to nerf

On paper, simply swap out one of your heavy ranged units with melee.

>>96499224
The 3 I mainly play against run Tomb Kings, Wood Elves, and WoC.
I recently played and lost against a different TK player, an Empire player, and a Lizardman player, but unfortunately they're all old fantasy players so they're super busy with families and shit and only play once a month or so.
Personally I prefer competitive games where I get my ass handed to me than casual games were I win, but I understand that's not everyone's thing.
>Unless you are bringing 3+ bits of artillery
Guilty. I guess I stop doing that if my opponent isn't super experienced with dealing with them.
I don't know if it's competitive, but a block of 20+ thunderers with shields, expeditionary marksmen, Burlock, a Runesmith, and a BsB with a +1 combat res and 5+ ward save rune has been pretty effective, particularly against large targets. I can throw a sapper in there for extra defense too

has anyone already finished a sky lantern and give me some tips how to apply those giant transfers?

>>96499199
95% of wargame players are garbage. You're going to encounter that problem no matter what army you play. That's why tournaments exist, constantly playing with ridiculously gimped armies because most people can't even put together basic synergies gets old very quickly.

Can anyone with both Empire models and ReptilianOverlord prints share if the prints need to be adjusted in scale to match the GW models?

>>96499318
I didnt build one, but for a large decal youre going to want a decal softener like microsol and a soft brush to squeegee the bubbles out from underneath it during application.
Also dont remove the backing and then use tweezers like you would with smaller decals, keep it on the paper and slide it into position from it

Do you consider the new AoS chorfs useful towards chorfs in TOW?

>>96500562
The robot is usable, the bull statue is usable, the bull centaurs are usable, the hobgrots are usable.
Anything else is complete garbage to the point even mantic stuff is better, since that's also in plastic.
And even then you're very much encouraged to look for non plastic solutions even for your basic troops, printing went a long way and you don't need one to get some units printed.

But as a general conclusion: these aren't chaos dwarfs, as in dwarfs with the chaos warrior reskin, nor dawi zharr, as in the discreet culture and aesthetic of the classic ones, they are dark duardin in the same way dark elves aren't strictly speaking chaos elves.
It's a big difference.

>>96498126
If GW is so woke when are lizard women getting back in, and when are Beastwomen going to stop being pleasant forest wives and be allowed to ravage again?

>>96500562
I just dont know why you'd buy these when FW chorfs are among the easiest models to find recasts of

>>96500651
I think the basic troops are okay but they need a change of hat, weapon (axe or hammer) and shield

The whole lore bit of them not using axes or hammers is fuckin tarded imo, seeing as their unit leader has one and so does one of the characters

>>96500733
These are in some ways closer to bighat chorfs than legion of azgorh, and LoA has a very hunched pose with very large dwarfs for some reason, whereas this new range is more scaled to modern GW dwarfs like fyreslayers and KO

>>96499261
I getit. Your opponents aren't equipped to play TOW: Trench Warfare simulation and perhaps are more mixed forces. That said you are playing dwarfs so you're doing best you can and, ironically, the optimal play style.

I'd go back to my previous suggestion, swap out a ranged block or piece of artillery or two for melee infantry.

>>96500747
>I think the basic troops are okay but they need a change everything

>>96500562
chorfs can't even use spears
I genuinely don't know why anyone would buy these instead of the 3D printed stuff available out there

>>96500562
When did the mainline game start getting transfers?
thought that was more of a Forgeworld/specialist games item

>>96499141
There's a difference between a furry face and sharp teeth and literally just a lion's head

>>96498952 (OP)
Is there a canonical reason why dwarfs don't use pikes? Would love me a dwarf pike block.

>>96499040
It's supposed to be believable. Making shit up that relates to nothing and don't like anything instantly takes it out of any form of reality.
I hate that low IQ take so much, that's exactly how you end up with soulless slop.

>>96501264
Because they don't. It's tradition.

>>96501264
Isn't it mostly that Dwarfs fight in a maze-like tunnel system of the underway 90% of the time, where a long pike is rather impractical.

>>96501330
>Making shit up that relates to nothing
Is physically impossible

>>96501348
Don't be an obtuse retard, shit that relates very little to the natural order/reality.

>>96501365
>shit that relates very little
Does not equal "shit that relates to nothing"

>>96501373
I guess my injunction fell on deaf and retarded ears.

>>96501379
>I said a wrong thing on purpose
>Just imagine I said something correct
>If you choose to respond to what I said, instead of imagining me being correct you are retarded

>>96501388
Stop digging you're already at the bottom.

Anon thinks this is slop because it relates to very little. Christians told me God was the perfect designer though.

Preyton, lets go!

>>96501484
>a cuttlefish with a claw
Isn't that literally what you were bitching about in the first place?
Jesus you're really fucking dumb haha

>>96501707
>Everyone who disagrees with me is one person

>>96501770
That literally changes nothing. You barged in like a retard just to prove my point either way.

>>96500717
>when are Beastwomen going to stop being pleasant forest wives and be allowed to ravage again?
We need breastigors in action!

>>96501264
not really, they're just stereotypically stout so you don't give them elongated stuff to emphasize it further.

Hey, I'm just getting into Warhammer 40K and I bought my first model. Pic related. I bought the colours that the Citadel app recommended to get battle ready but i'm a little unsure which paint to use for the tabard. I'm not sure if I should use the Rakarth Flesh or a washed out warplock bronze. Could you help?

>>96501346

> Dwarfs fight in tunnels where pikes are impractical
> the tunnels in question

>>96502044
this is the Warhammer fantasy thread
for the thread of the sci fi version of warhammer you must go here >>96500221
for painting advice I recommend the thread for works in progress >>96491381
even though that question is generalized enough to be approachable by posters of either thread

>>96502124
I really don’t like this art

>>96500562
You could make a lot of your roster out of the new range. If you must give GW your money it's not bad

>>96501187
They come with swords and spears, you get the option of what to give them

>>96501187
If someone doesn't have a printer or a friend who prints, then going through strangers to 3d print shit isn't that much cheaper than GW and your quality can greatly vary.
> T. Used Etsy print services to excellent and horrible results

>>96502129
Ah, sorry. Thanks, i'll go there then.

>>96502197
I'm seeing 10 dwarf warriors for 20€ on proxywars, which is a very reputable 3D printing website, there's no way GW will sell them for only 2€ a piece.
I hear you on the varying quality on Etsy though, there's a lot of random dudes printing at home on there.

>>96502323
shipping kinda makes it more pricey

>>96502347
shipping is 6€ mate

>>96502364
its more in the part of the world that matters

>>96502723
No.

>>96502124
Most tunnels aren't that big

I'm painting my Dark Elves right now, in the colours of Karond Kar. My question is, what's the lore accurate way to paint my black guard?
Is it more lore-accurate to paint them like the rest of my army, or should I paint them in Malekith's colours and bearing his heraldry?

Did well clearing out old stuff on eBay so I pulled the trigger and probably spent too much on a nice copy of Tamurkhan. Been waiting years and I can't wait to go through it in person. If only Bligh was able to do the other 3...

>>96502833
Not WFB related but I miss that bastard like you wouldn't believe. The Black Books for 1st edition Horus Heresy are the best Warhammer lore we ever got regardless of setting.

>>96502845
HH and the other Specialist games were probably in a better place than now

>>96502845
I am very happy to have plastic SA tanks, but I cannot imagine how much higher quality HH would be if he was still around. To keep it on topic - Throne of Chaos is so lovingly crafted and so much better than any of the Fantasy stuff that came after it. The glimpses we got of what might have come after make me sad. A book of the same quality as Tamurkhan built around the Khorne Dragon guy...maybe with a norscan horde theme raiding Bretonnian shores...resin Norscans sculpted by the SA guy. What happened to fantasy is so bleak and I cannot believe how popular AoS appears to be.

>>96502898
The Khorne dragon guy was built for Aos in mind albeit.
Per the sculptors own words.

>>96502898
I'm certain that Forge World would still be around if he were with us, It's quite sad how it was taken out back and shot, and now only exists as a trademark for GW's resin. I wonder what he would have done for Old World if he hadn't passed. A Campaign book written by him would have been incredible

>>96500562
I will be buying certain things and doing conversion work on them to supplement the mix of forge world chorfs and old metal chorfs I already have. Some of it could fit in well into TOW (with minor conversion work) but a few things are unusable

>>96502963
Somehow worse
>>96502972
I wont the lotto tomorrow and had true fuck you money I would scrape together whoever was left from Tamurkhan, Somorowski, and have at least the second book and range made. multiple Norscan tribes, Bretonnian dukedoms, expanding upon Marienburg and maybe some other Imperial territories.

>>96502833
>spent too much on a nice copy of Tamurkhan
Did you get it from Oxfam?

>>96502833
There's a perfect scan going around, hopefully you checked and paid for the original.
I'd like it print him myself for a nurgle army but he's so big he can only be played as a dragon though.

>>96502124
This is like using a stadium as an example of urban combat

>>96500562
>army set
>13 figures
I want to be upset, but honestly this is what paypigs deserve.

>>96500717
>most submissive tradwives are mutant beastwomen
Explains why beastmen never stop having population booms. Seriously a few does can just set up next to a farmhouse and within a couple years sire a warherd.

>>96503125
>Did you get it from Oxfam?
No, private seller
>>96503144
I meant the book, not the mini. I am looking for Elspeth tho

>>96503248
It's 14 actually :)

>>96500875
>>96499393
Got it, start making sub-optimal armies with smaller gunlines and focused melee when I suspect my opponent is looking for more Lord of the Rings than WWI, then tune it up for my preferred play style for players more in it for the sport.
I sent my opponents Old World Rankings for list ideas, but how might they counter my gunlines? I'm not 100% sure how I'd keep a dragon safe from cannons and a bunch of rangers with 30' range. I guess I'd start by trying to end my deployment first so I get the +1 (as I do now,) and investing in a ton of magic.
>>96500562
I think they look good overall. I'd probably go with 3rd party unless you play at GW (which I do.) I'm excited to use whatever free mini they give out as a Runesmith or Thane or something.

>>96501264
My assumption in most fantasy is that
>They are more used to being outnumbered in tunnels
>Hammers and axes better reflect their daily activities (mining, crafting, forging)
Obviously it's really just a cool factor over the the practicality of making up for their reach
You do have Imperial Dwarfs though. Your dream is playable.

Do High Elves allow their women to fight for them?
Do they induct women into the militia levy or are they exempt from military service? Would a regiment of Silver Helms include any noble daughters?

I know that the models are exclusively male outside of the Sisters and Handmaidens, but I'm wondering if this is ever directly in the lore? Both Dark and Wood Elves are explicitly stated to include women in front-line combat roles.

>>96503851
>exclusively male
Have you actually looked at the models

>>96503851
>Do High Elves allow their women to fight for them?
yes
Every military organisation besides Sisters/Handmaidens and Phoenix Guard/annotated by Asuyan, are in the lore fully egalitarian and equal opportunity.
With the two exceptions due to the high elves' very gender based movement system of the Phoenix King and the Everqueen were, in theory, the Phoenix King decides all temporal matters of government, and the Everqueen decides all spiritual matters, which the wood elves have with Orion and Ariel, and Brettonia does similarly with the King and the fay enchantress.

>>96502738
Yes, speaking as someone in Australia

>>96504199
>Australia
>part of the world that matters
come on now

>>96504204
Okay that's rude

>>96501615
Congratulations on your newly acquired screechy deer

>>96501187
I did get some of these but I didn't like some of the aspects of their proportions IRL, if you put then next to fantasy dwarfs you can tell the difference easily.

>>96502197
Agreed, unless you've actually got a maye who can do different scale test prints it's a pain in the ass trying to find a commercial one who'll bother to get it right

>>96501346
>>96503505
It's honestly criminal that we don't see organized dwarf tunnel fighting more often.
>Hit and run ambush tactics by younger, more lightly armoured dwarf skirmishers using secret passages.
>Dwarf sappers cutting off retreats, dividing and isolating enemy forces, or flat out crushing them with collapsing tunnels.
>Heavily armoured dwarf veterans with tower shields and thrusting spears creating impossible choke points in low-ceiled, narrow passages where their enemies can't even stand up straight.

>>96504393
Space Hulk fantasy edition.

>>96504350
Interesting, could you take a photo of both next to each others please?

I never really liked how try hardy chaos dwarf prints always end up being.

Nobody has the new Dawn of the Storm dragon pdf? It's not in the gofile folder.

>>96504449
I think it was Lost Kingdom that was particularly egregious. 200 copy pasted spikes along with 20 copy pasted slaves on some massive mess of a vehicle.

>>96499982

Yes, you have to do it, but mostly because they come unsupported.

>>96500562
Nope. It requires shitton of small work on details for such expensive box.

>>96499079
Damn fine regiment you got there Anon, really original

Took a detour from making characters and thought of doing some terrian, mostlly a Special terrain to use for that Lone tower mission, maybe add some flavour to the board since it's against a Bretonnian player.
Would you go with the arches or no?

>>96501264
I would imagine Dwarfs using pikes and spears when going against giant creatures like dragons, it is rather impractical in tunnels and fighitng in close order

>>96501615
I'm aiming to buy one later this year, in the meantime I'll have my cockatrice

>>96502044
Why is it modelled after that old Jonh Blanche art? Are they so drained of ideas?

>>96506223
so so many actual things wrong with GW there's no need to resort to this

Wut dat mouf do

The bull crew is assembling

>>96503851
Supposedly yes, but if you actually read BL novels or check the art, they are still mostly males. You get all female units like Handmaidens, but then it's implied that White Lions are all male and I have yet to hear of a female Dragon Prince.

>>96506552
Good looking slabs of beef Anon

Need advice what to do next /tg/.

Currently I have a 1k army for WoC, 1250 if I change a few things or upgrade units to represent others. However it has become stale.

I realised most of my army just isn't that effective where my entire plan is based around my general and heavy cavalry hard carrying the entire game.

To this end, it has become extremely boring. Should I look to expand my army or start building a new one? Or just take a break?

As an example, there was a game where all my army broke upon crashing into a dwarf line and only till my knights and general flanked, suddenly was I winning.

>>96506913
hard to say without knowing your full list but regardless I always found Chaos kind of one note and boring to play.

>>96506913
I'd say go with whatever resonates with you in terms of aesthetics, lore, etc. rather than gameplay, unless the gameplay is truly unbearable. I'd also argue WoC is "two-note" (pretty good magic and elite melee units.) If the melee's getting boring, you could try to lean more into magic, then mix up the two for variety.
>Basically if you got into WoC because it appeals to your tastes lore/aesthetics-wise, I'd see if you couldn't look a bit more and see if there's a playstyle that appeals to you
>If you either got into it because it is the easiest faction or randomly, and/or find the gameplay truly boring, then maybe do some research and figure out what appeals to you the most.
Personally I got into Old World more because a pure Dwarf faction appealed to me rather than the other way around. They're pretty one-note, having little in variety but various levels of melee/gunlines, but the grinding down my opponent hasn't really gotten old for me because I love my little guys so much

>>96506545
Why are the horns green

>>96506913
I hate to say it but warriors of chaos are an extremely boring faction and I really hate to found this out so late.
I probably want to start an empire army but its lacking in the fantasy department for me to bother with it.

>>96507305
he's new

>>96507024
Its a pack of hounds, foot marauders, foot warriors, chaos ogres, chaos chosen knights and my leader on a mount. It's quite limited.

>>96507072
Another army is fairly expensive. My only real choice is expansion. Don't get me wrong, it is satisfying when the knights RIP AND TEAR. What sucks is they're the only thing in my army besides my leader who seems to do their job consistently well.

However it also feels my other units are just fodder until the chosen knights and champion go to town. Which in practice, they certainly are.

I did consider Orcs but not sure if that's risking the same issue of one dimensional play or having a crutch unit where the rest are just there to bloat points.

>>96507324
You the other chaos bloke here? I'd thought their simplicity was a major appeal but now I am finding it a bit repetitive. Charge forward. If I reach with the cav, i win. If I do not, I lose.

Dude pulled a maneuver this weekend that feels wrong. He might be right but something feels off. He's playing lizards against my buds first vampire list.
His skirmish skinks were charged by his knights and they choose to flee. He had one of those stegadon beasts standing 4 inches behind the skinks, and stated that since one of the skinks touched the model while fleeing the entire unit runs past the monster, effectively giving them a flee of like 8 inches.
I can see why this can work, but this also seems really abusive when you could just leave 1-2 skinks in a chain leading towards friendly units so you can flee like 12+ inches.

>>96507812
With skirmishers, yes that is correct and yes it could be abused. But omce a member of a unit touches a friendly, they flee through it.

>>96507817
Would this include ungors going through a chariot? Ungors have chariot runner.

>>96507826
Oh also, since it's related, if my chariot is in amongst the ungors it can ignore them to declare charges without the ungors also charging right?

>>96507812
units in-between don't add to the total distance they flee unless the unit would stop right over that unit, then it adds only the minimum amount required to get over that.

>>96507812
Units cannot move through a skirmisher unit, with the exception of they have chariot runners.
If they do so while fleeing it will be treated like any other of that occurrence
https://tow.whfb.app/unusual-formations/moving-through-skirmishers
https://tow.whfb.app/special-rules/chariot-runners

>Age of Sigmar squatted my Beastmen
>Now they are replacing my Ogres with new Ogors to squat the line
>Rumblings Maggotkin are getting the same treatment.

So i finally said fuck it and bought a grand cathay battallion and the guardians of the gate hero box. Is the wizard on the kirin a go to for small to mid games?

>>96501615
Gonna use that head on a necron deciever body for my kurnoth

>>96507843
>>96507817
So this is fine. Good to know.

Can legacy armies take allies in The Old World? Was list building for chorfs in Old World Builder app and it shows WoC and Daemons as allies?

>>96507888
In this particular case I'd argue that the unit doesn't move to the back of the stegadon

the rule for fleeing is clearly written with units in formation in mind, while skirmishers are fluid, for this reason I'd have only the models directly on top of the intervening unit to move, to the back if possible, or to the smallest distance to remain in coherence with the rest of the unit

anything else feels like abusing the rules to get an unfair, and frankly often unnecessary advantage, so it's to be discarded as against the spirit of the game and the clear intent of the rules

>>96498952 (OP)
Isnt the new old world rpg coming out in early 2026 or something? why is it so far away if there are already test copies of the player and game masters guide out?

>>96507928
That was my exact thoughts too. Especially cause as a skirmish they could easily build coherence around the stegadon. I read skirmish only pops through in order to keep coherency.

>>96498952 (OP)
Just feel like mentioning it

Rieksgaurd is a good short book. a lot of warhammer books are pretty throw away, but I remember reading it a few years ago and found ot really solid. It showed both the noble and dark sides of the empire, along with some interesting intrigue, enjoyable combat, and catharsis. I think it is nearly the only reason why the rieksgaurd as a faction are interesting, because thier boilerplate intro as "the default knightly order" kind of makes them seem boring. But the book makes them interesting as the lifegaurd of the emperor and all the political machinations that come along with that position.

>>96507928
to expand on this, I feel it would be a whole other matter if the former frontal rank of the skirmishing unit were to reach said unit, or if the skirmishing unit was more closely shaped like a normal unit, since then it would be behaving not unlike any other unit, but in this particular case with the tail of models placed just for this gimmick it's obvious it's just waacfaggotry.

>>96507826
More or less yes. If your unit would end up "inside" yours, they pop out the other side.

>>96507980
Is there a forum or such where a question like this could get a tournament ref or official response on?

>>96508123
no

your only hope is sending an email to gw and hoping they answer it in a faq

>>96507856
>>Now they are replacing my Ogres with new Ogors to squat the line
I don't think you know what squatting means anon

>>96507856
>get put off by company
>still stick to company
Really weird mindset. Anyways Cathay is a micro faction so enjoy.

>>96507681
>I did consider Orcs but not sure if that's risking the same issue of one dimensional play or having a crutch unit where the rest are just there to bloat points.
Well, orcs & goblins are pretty much the combined arms factions. But yeah some units exist to enable other better units, but that's basically a core rule for the entire game itself and how all factions work.

>>96507856
>Is the wizard on the kirin a go to for small to mid games?
Mid (1500ish) games sure, but bringing one to a 1000 point game might be a bit much.
>>96508191
I believe anon is referring to the rumours that are saying that the new Ogres are losing a lot of their old stuff, like leadbelchers, so older armies might end up incompatible with the new rules. Apparently they're going to be more caveman.

>>96503851
According to Sisters of Avelorn lore, they are selected by Alarielle from the levy rank, so levy rank must have female (at least in Avelorn I guess).

>>96508270
I suppose the concern would be "more of the same" element. Don't get me wrong, the Chaos Chosen Knights are absolute beasts, just the rest of the army feels a bit meh.

>>96506913
For what it's worth, I've also been feeling pretty burnt out on Chaos in TOW. The army rules for this edition are just not very fun. Sure, the army is strong if you play by the meta and collect specific units, but it's still just boring. Every sorcerer has to be on daemonology (and don't get me started on the absolute state of the chaos lores), every character has to have one or two favours of the gods (and that stupid d6 table is just awful too), there's zero incentive to experiment with magic items when the quasi-totality of them are just straight trash, marks are either actively harmful (Khorne), largely mediocre outside of niche cases (Nurgle on dragon lords, Slaanesh on "objective holding" units, which is a disgustingly 40k-like concept, but I digress), or conditionally excellent but incredibly lame (Tzeentch). By the way, to the anon I had a huge argument with about the mark of Tzeentch, you were right, it's significantly stronger now and has a place, but I still don't like how it's designed. And I haven't even started talking about individual units! I've decided to take a break from playing for a while so I can paint up some more regiments, but I'm really just hoping my community starts playing 6th again. Say what you will about the HoC army book, at least it had a ton of variety. Anyway, I don't really have any advice for you. Collect the models you want to collect, give older editions a try, and try to shake things up. Chaos is what you make of it and if GW is going to fuck the dog by writing boring rules, you may as well leave them to it.

>>96508408

Ishaya Vess is also noted to be raised from the militia so the LSG also have female members.

>>96500651
>The robot is usable
As what?

>>96508662
destroyer or bits

>>96508191
The original line as it exists now is going away to be replaced by a new caveman aesthetic because people that dont play warhammer saw an ogre and declared it "fun man chu yellow panic orientalism". Not only is the models going away, the aesthetic is, the lore is and half the range. You like ogres holding cannons? hunters? firebellies? well fuck you its just bulls and mournfang riders now.

Thats like telling an actual squats greybeard to shut up and enjoy the votann.

>>96508205
>Anyways Cathay is a micro faction so enjoy
You havent seen how Ogres are ran since the End Times happened have you?

>>96508854
Is THAT why the ogres in Cathay are clean shaven and painted like humans?

>>96508854
>because people that dont play warhammer saw an ogre and declared it "fun man chu yellow panic orientalism".
No one did this; you're just doing that thing where you blame all things you don't like on perceived enemies.
>hunters?
They are explicitly stated in the leaks to be getting MORE hunters.

>>96508854
I dont think ogres ever actually got recognized as asians. They got the white scar syndrome where they are just a mixng pot of cultures and it doesnt really reflect on the models or the lore for the most part.
Anyways its whatever, its just another boring human faction

>>96508854
>fu man chu yellow panic orientalism
Show me one (1) instance of of someone saying this
A change in direction isn't a squatting, no matter how you slice it. Lizardmen didn't get "squatted" because they used magitech aztec shields instead of scaly ones, and ogres aren't being squatted if they lean harder into ungabunga, if that's even true. losing leadbelchers is an absolute travesty though I'll grant you that much

>>96506913
If you can only stretch to 1250 with upgrades then I imagine you dont have all that many options to play about with to keep it fresh. Almost all my armies have 2 blocks of chaos warriors (of various size depending on the point limit) in them, but after that I've never played the same list twice and I still have models that have never seen a table.

>>96506162
Thanks. I plan on putting the goblins forward when I equip the skellies with spears and shields and the orcs forward when I equip them with regular weapons and shields. The dual wielding orc will always be the champion, the ogre is a filler and now I need to make a proper standard bearer. (I don't think I'll need a musician)

>>96500562
Yeah. The hobgoblins and bull centaurs are the best sculpts I've seen for either (including third-party) so far. I don't really like anything else though.

Anyone got pics of a studio army with goblins on wolves kitbashed with Eldar?

>>96498952 (OP)
Elven wombs for Skaven seed!!!!!!!!!!p

When did you realise the goblin wolf riders and norscans were taken to pad AoS 4th edition due to the one game per model bullshit?

>>96508869
Eh, those ogres are even more oriental with Mongolian hairstyles.

>>96510588
They have a number of design cues that suggest heavily they were intended for aos from the moment of their inception.

>>96510588
Wolf riders for AoS have been a thing since 2019 so I doubt it. They teased the designs in 2019 with an Underworlds kit.

>>96510588
Someone really likes pushing this dumb narrative

So, now that we know Hashut was an Ancestor God, a few questions come about:
Why and How did Hashut transform from a regular dwarfish god (which leaves the possibility of having been created by the Old Ones), into a Chaos God?

>>96499393
>Not purposely making a smaller army than your opponent to show your superiority
>2000 point game
>Cap your army at 1750 points
>If anyone asks say you couldn't think of anything else to add

>>96509307
Lucky git. Ya it's pretty restrictive but I have decided to order metal chaos knights to expand. This way, I can attack two flanks now than depending on just my chosen. Hopefully that helps and much cheaper dumping 100+ smackeroonies on a new army.

>>96508570
Sorry to hear that chaos bro. If its of any consolation, my own spirits were reinvigorated.

>>96511018
That literally wouldn't change anything. Maybe at 1200 it'd be okay but even then I'm sure I would win some games. It's way better balance-wise to just take bad units and have no synergies.

>>96511002
We still don't know if he is an ancestor god, all the new AoS Chorf lore is Hashut priests talking up propaganda in-universe.
it ambiguous enough that GW can walk it back or double down if they want, which isn't something they can do with the new Cathay lore

>>96511002
We actually don't know anymore, the white dwarf article suggested that, but the actual aos lore is written with multiple layers of unreliability.
For now we only know that hashut CLAIMS to have been an ancestor god, and not only that, that he was the oldest amongst the ancestor gods, the first king.
Which is a very bold claim so it might all be bullshit.
Especially because aos lore also suggests that hashut only started dabbling in demon binding after a certain point in their age of myth, so is whatever he did in the old world is to be considered noncanon by aos? is it simply not remembered? was hashut given a pardon for that? were the old chaos dwarfs not actually following the real hashut? or is hashut lying?
It's all a mess, so the least we think about how it all fits together, the better, but the simplest answers to your question are that regardless of whether he was intended by the old ones to dabble in demonsmithing, he did, probably during the catastrophe, and that definitely gave him an edge over the other ancestor gods and allowed him to rise to a status akin to a chaos god.

If you want a schizotheory regarding the old ones planning for at least one chaos god, I have one that involves an ancestor god, but not hashut.

>>96511002
AoS lore doesn't mean anything to WHFB.
Just like ET lore.

>>96511054
Im just a hobbyist whose been at it for quite a while, mainly use games as an excuse to show people my projects so I always have new shit to stick on the table.
Occasionally leads to some retarded and ineffective lists with hellcannons, trolls and tag-team giants but I didnt get bored of it yet.
You could bring some allies if you wanted a slight change in flavour? Ive been looking at adding some beastmen to turn into pestigor-type things

>>96500003
Thanks, i will try that.

>>96510588
No
>norscans
Huh? What are you even talking about?
>>96511002
The little lore blub left it fairly ambiguous actually. There's even the possibility that some random demon is larping as an ancestor god to gain worshippers among the aos dwarfs. It's basically what morathi did with khaine, so it's an established thing in aos.

>>96511002
>>96511172
I read the article and by itself it already clearly sets itself as non-canon to Fantasy beyond any speculation, because the whole myth of the ancestor simply can't happen in a timeline where WHF existed.

>Ancestor gods walk among the living at the beginning of duardin civilization (in the mortal realms)
>Hashut is apparently clean of any demon dealings during this early period
>The whole conflict starts because the ancestor gods+Hashut are splitting the mortal realms among themselves. No mention of previous enmity.

For the whole thing to happen as told in the myth you need to assume Warhammer Fantasy never existed, and since it did, given AoS is a literal sequel, then the entire myth loses all credibility from the get go. It's just a bunch of chuardin (who have absolutely no connection with chorfs) coping hard with their demon worship.

>>96511473
>For the whole thing to happen as told in the myth you need to assume Warhammer Fantasy never existed
Or hashut and the ancestor gods turned over a new leaf, just like nagash and malekith restarted as allies with a clean slate of whatever they did in the past, all for the greater good of building back shit.

>>96511473
>>96511496
Nta, I do think it's just unreliable narrator chorf cope but to be fair a lot of the incarnates/gods got fucked up during the end times->aos transition. Nagash got his memory wiped (for a bit), and then got his mind shattered in a million little schizo personalities.

>>96511496
>>96511525
In this particular case I just don't think there's a way to justify the story happening as told. It sound dumber than usual when told step by step.

>WHB ancestors predate Hashut by a few millennia
>After ET Hashut allegedly not only turns over a new leaf, but is fully forgiven for his bullshit and welcomed with open arms as a fucking brother to the ancestor gods
>Not only THAT, he assumes the role of a respected ELDEST brother
>Apparently, Hashut swore off daemonology and slavery in the transition, only to retrace the exact same steps just so the writers can justify Chaos dwarves sprouting out of nowhere once again in some convoluted form of convergent evolution.

The story is 100% pure bullshit, and if there's even an inkling of truth to it then that's a sign of bad writing. That's all I have to say on the topic, and about AoS lore in the WHF thread.

>>96511675
>he assumes the role of a respected ELDEST brother
He also makes the domains of Kingship and ruling as his spheres of godhood, which aren't really Dwarf traits, at least compared to mining, smithing, brewing and honourable battle that the other main ancestor gods have as their main Spheres, so it's another example of Hashut not telling the full truth at best

you keep talking about dwarves and I might start liking their lore

A tidbit of AoS lore/retcon that I find curious is that it claims that Hashut and his followers ruled Ur-Zorn (that is Karak Zorn), the birthplace of the Dawi and their gods.

>>96499040
>people apparently could not come up with creatures that weren't made out of parts of existing animals.
It's a fancifully interpreted Giraffe.

>>96501346
in a narrow enough tunnel, a single speardawi could effectively hold off an arbitrary number of urks

>>96511810
My headcanon is already that the Karak Zorn Dwarfs are basically pseudo-Assyrian non-evil Chaos Dwarfs, so I'll let that one fly.

>>96511860
A giraffe is already a hybrid creature - a camelopard. A cross between a pard (leopard) and a camel.

>>96511929
>A giraffe is already a hybrid creature - a camelopard.
Yeah, the Questing Beast is another interpretation of it.
Funny, though. I like how it sounds like thirty dogs.

>>96511923
You also can't manoeuvre if you're the dwarf pikeman and moving the pike around is difficult due to its length.
A skaven or a goblin could just create a side passage and get to the pikeman that way, most of the underway is not maintained and is basically collapsing all the time.

>>96511675
>>whb ancestors predate Hashut by millenia
Wasn't hashut being a fallen ancestor god always one of the main theories surrounding him? I mighr be confusing things though. But yeah there's way too much fuckery going on to take it at face value, and gw put all the "claims to" in there to really drive the point home.
Honestly it's things like this that make me realise that aos would probably have been better off as its own IP instead of having to make sense of end times stuff. I don't think there's much of aos that strictly NEEDS whfb to happen, since they have their own apocalyptic event anyway with the whole age of chaos.
>>96511810
Ur-Zorn isn't karak zorn though, it's a citadel built by hashut in ghur (?) during aos times. It's more of a reference.

>>96511204
>lists with hellcannons, trolls and tag-team giants
Sovl... holy fvcking... sovl...

>>96511675
>AoS lore
My fucking sides

>>96512406
>he says posting a gays of toes

>>96512436
What are you trying to say.

>>96512436
ASOIAF lore shids and fards on AoS "lore" written by nogames minimum wage millennial metrosexual hipster faggots who use their books as their personal /leftypol/ homosissy diaries and probably get their WFB character info from a combination of the fucking wiki and ChatGPT. Not that GRRM isn't also a faggot of equal magnitude, but at least he can actually write when he chooses to do so.

>>96512505
This.

>>96512505
The fuck even is a metrosexual

I saw that.

>>96513062
Thanks for sharing.
What's this guy to do with playing with tiny

>>96513021
Google is right there grandpa

Is there a better scan of the Matched Play Guide? The one in the OP resource folder is really bad.

>>96506705
Churs cuz
>>96507305
Because it looks sick, next question

KR Cases seem to be offline? Does anyone know what's going on with them, or some other company I can buy thick carry cases with foam inserts?

>>96512406
Still better than whfb lore

>>96513639
Trvth nvke

Ok, glued the whole thing, gonna work on a roof tomorrow.
Flagellant for scale.

>>96513886
feels like you could have put it on wheels

>>96513886
why isnt it in ruins

>>96513886
Looks pretty based

>>96511675
The thing you have to understand about AoS lore is - as much as they pretend there's some continuity with Warhammer Fantasy, AoS exists to allow them to re-write the entire thing from a blank slate.

Any any nods to continuity are just that - nods, not sincerely-felt obligations

>>96513886
Is this a pegasus kit? Looks nice

>>96513996
>AoS exists to allow them to re-write the entire thing from a blank slate.
Isnt that just tow?

>>96514041
I wish but they're hellbent on reminding people the fuck times are inevitable and so too age of retard.

>>96514054
No I mean TOW has been the one retconning existing established things in fantasy battle? I dont know what AOS has done even with the hashit stuff that gets talked about here now that could be recognized as a retcon.

>>96514067
The most TOW has done is remind us of Miao being waifu material.
10/10, would abandon my empire for.

>>96514090
I really didn't need to be reminded that cathay and genderbent lord farquad exists.

>>96514098
>genderbent lord farquad
explain

>>96503851
Speaking of which, I got this free mini of the month and plan to kitbash a Grudge Thrower by sticking it at the end of a Bloodthirster's fire stand thingy, putting a bunch of barrels and bombs from the miner kit around, and having the miner making the O face pointing up.
Thought I'd replace the head with a gyrocopter one (they're pretty much the same size.) Wondering if I should put this head on one of the ironbreakers or something, making her the sole woman in my army.

>>96514381
Not sure I get what you're aiming for

>>96514384
Sorry, my explanation was bad
Basically Bloodthirsters come with two stands, and I have a few of these lying around from my Oops all bloodthirsters AoS army.
My plan is to stick the mini on the end of it, then put a bunch of barrels and pipe bombs towards the bottom of the fire. Then, instead of the girl head, I'm doing a gyro pilot head since they have goggles.
The idea is that, instead of a grudge thrower, we're just sticking a dwarf on a metal ball then detonating a bunch of explosives to launch him at the enemy.
I will have the female-dwarf head left over, so was thinking about putting it on a dude to meet diversity quotas

>>96514381
Do they give you any bits with this model?
I actually quite like the unit but this head specifically is just kinda ugly. I don't even mind female dorfs (in aos) but they need to have a fuckton of braids to emulate the beard silhouette

>>96514421
Its the free mini of the month- it comes with what you see. I can (and will) easily swap out the head with a gryocopter pilot one. Just thought I might use the head with another model for a queen (thane,) or just a random ironbreaker

>>96513999
Nice trip but retarded post it's obviously a gothic cathedral style building,

A Pegasus is a winged horse

Question for the Warhammer RPG from someone that played a bit of 1e as a kid, a bit of 2e as a teen and is now coming back to 4e: what's the main point of getting money? Obviously you can't buy magical items in bulk like in other fantasy RPGs and even the heaviest of armor doesn't seem too expensive. Is it perhaps about the guns and a steady stream of gunpowder and bullets?

>>96514688
It's not supposed to be D&D where you spend your money to get even better equipment to loot more caves. Your character is supposed to spend it on food, housing, clothes, invest it into their next project, business, or just drink it away, gamble, fuck prostitutes and the lords daughter while you are it. If you have money, find creative and fun ways to spend it that make sense for your character, their station in society, their goals and business.
Or just make your weapons fancier and easier to use. The lightweight attribute is really worthwhile on heavy armor, if your character wears those.

>>96514688
Your Career Trappings is a big one, which includes Business-related expenses(like owning a workshop if you're a craftsman or your Squire if you're a knight), if your campaign hasa Barge or an Ocean vessel which is also a big expense.

>>96512505
>What if i just rip of tolkein and howard and lovecraft but add more rape lmao
a song of ice and fire is fantasy for failed jocks and wannabe feds and anyone who likes it belongs on a list of people whos opinion on anything is worthless.

I don't know how to play but I think the square bases make the armies look cooler. i am favouring the moon goblins and the boar riders, but I feel like I need a cool wizard or like a fuckoffhuge centrepiece. What do you recommend.

>>96514862
There’s the big spider. I’ve also seen people use the Aos mawkrusha as a black orc on a wyvern with a comically large cork base.

>>96514869
The Arachnorak is difficult to add to your list given that it costs more points than any dragon while being extremely inferior to one. I'd go for the Orc Shaman on a Wyvern which is only 180 pts cheaper and way better.

>>96513886
Seconding wheels.

>>96514688
Status is an important part of 4e and the WFRP experience so money is important

That said mechanically 4e is also dogshit and gives you shit tools to work with so it doesn't really matter

Which faction has the most bizarre beast mount choice cavalry

>>96514984
Slaanesh

>>96514981
Why the negativity towards 4e? Which changes do you not like?

>>96514984
Always hated these fucking things

Individually they work I guess but the Skeleton Surf dudes, just no.

>>96515302
Wrong thread buddy

>>96514984
Old Chaos, the Daemonic Steeds from Realm of Chaos.
Going to post the page for rolling them, but I just realised it references another 4 pages of random tables to roll on.

Then if I'm reading it right that's just the minimum cause you can also choose to roll on the steeds patron Demon gift tables if you don't like the generic attribute roll so that's another 2 pages per Chaos God ... or you can make your own Demon from scratch with it's own gift table that can be rolled on so you could have literally anything.

>>96515587
reading over it again I missed the tables for body part randomising and replacement.

How would you go about converting a Lammasu? I would like the forelimbs to be clawed and hindlimbs to be hooved

>>96516020
A Hippogriff model can then be sculpted a new head using Green Stuff or Milliput.

>>96516081
Wouldn't even need to be a full new head, just stick a beard and horns onto an ogre/troll/giant/whatever fits best onto the body.

>>96516081
Wouldn't even need to be a full new head, just stick a beard and horns onto the head of an ogre/troll/giant/whatever fits best onto the body.

>>96516020
slaughterbrute and bloodthirster wings?
it's not going to be smooth and hairy though, but you could probably get away with lots of stone and magma effects

>>96516020
The aos lord aquilor has the hoof/claw configuration you're looking for, though it's probably a bit too slender.
I like the slaughterbrute idea by >>96516309

>>96513440
If anything, saying "metrosexual" is the grandpa thing. Who the fuck still does that?

Turbo newfag here, what am I in for with vampire counts? I want to build them for the sole reason of using a shit ton blood dragons/knights as I love the old white metal sculpts as well as the old zombie dragon mount for characters. I am not too big on the ghouls nor the spirit sub themes and I am only tolerating Skelletons as they are one of the few troop choices available that would look nice with bats and vamps on horses. I know incredible little about lore or army building beyond cliffnotes, I am going in purely on rule of cool.

How come Sneaky Gits can't get poisoned attacks? Wasn't that one of their main things before?

>>96516755
It depends what edition you want to play, but generally, your going to play a fucked up and evil brettonia. Meaning hyper elite knights and beat stick heroes crashing into blocks of infantry tied up by your lowly canon fodder. if you are going to play the old world, I don't think this edition has the bloodlines from earlier editions, meaning your likely just going to play a standard vampire army. You can still have a cavalry majority force, but it'll be a little awkward since there's no lord abilities that benefit cavalry.

How should i built the Jade Warriors in the Cathay Batallion? 3 units of 10 or 2 units of 15?

>>96517457
>if you are going to play the old world, I don't think this edition has the bloodlines from earlier editions, meaning your likely just going to play a standard vampire army. You can still have a cavalry majority force, but it'll be a little awkward since there's no lord abilities that benefit cavalry.
I think I can put up with that. As long as I can play around with vampiric cavalry of some variety I think that's good enough for me. I am going in with an attitude of that I will be suboptimal and likely not going to win a lot of games but at least enjoy the experience of playing on the board as well as seeing my units in formation. It sounds autistic, but old fantasy's board space always seemed far more interesting and compelling to look at with how armies are organised. That and I have grown distant with 40k as I have gotten older and how non-cohesive armies are now

>Miao is over 12 feet tall
Nice.

>>96518103
>dragon is 12 feet tall

Andy is live, and it's an interesting topic.

https://www.youtube.com/live/kWDD5MP6MQw

>>96518103
Must make shugengan.

Is Rob based or a whiny fag?

>>96516755
Thematically a Blood Dragon army is supposed to be an elite army of grave guards, black knights and blood knights.

Grave Guards are the best infantry in the entire game. You can legit play a brick of 30 and another brick of 20 and have a bad ass army of heavy infantry.

Blood knights are one of the best unit in the roster and also some of the best cav in the game but in a 2k point you can play like 10 of them. They're very impactful though.

Vampires as characters on foot or horse are suboptimals (but still playable) because they're too expensive. That being said picking one as a your army standard bearer is a good option and have a vampire lord on a dragon is very strong.

Skeletons are totally playable even though zombies would probably be a better option (cheaper for the same role) but it's whatever.

Vampire Counts is literally one of the strongest faction in The Old World and almost everything in the roster is playable.

>>96518184
A basedfag imo

>>96518172
>Andy "forest goblins are offensive, we need to do better" Law
Kill yourself and take that woke faggot with you.

Okay its been a hot minute but i vaguely remember some WHFB novels from the 90's implying Cathay eventually falls to worship of Tzeentch, was that ever canon in the game or just "they are never getting there any time soon' filler in black library stuff?

Okay 40k fag getting into the square base game i have one question: whats the point of fillers? just OCD to fill a tray or a gameplay reason?

>>96518280
The best country in the game, occupied by such a formidable honorable incorruptible people whom brilliant culture invented everything would never fall to chaos. Especially not while under the gaze of their exceptional immortal wise spell slinging dragons kings and queens, who are so good and strong.
t.GW

>>96518236
Thanks for the advice anon. The older grave guard sculpts do look quite appealing in all honesty, and having brick blobs sound simple and fun to use alongside some knights and maybe a character mounted on a zombie dragon as centrepiece

>>96518290
A filler is a model on a larger base that represents multiple infantry models in a unit. For example, a 50x75mm filler would count as six 25mm models. It's a way to have bigger units without buying quite as many models. It's also a fun way to make use of spare parts and build things you normally wouldn't have a reason to build.

>>96518306
>The older grave guard sculpts do look quite appealing in all honesty
Yeah the metals are quite neat. Shame about the shitty plastics that followed suit.

>>96518323
I see. I've only seen at my locals stuff like the tomb kings player putting little desert monoliths in them or a beastmen herdstone.

>>96518290
Not buying additional models or making a cool mini diorama. Each model in a regiment exists in the gameplay in the same way it does in 40k.

So is Cathay list building just turning into Sons of Behemat with blood knights and empire canons?

>>96518306
You're welcome. I'd start by getting 20 grave guards, 20 skellies or zombies (your preference), 5 blood knights, 5 wolves and/or 3 fell bats and a wight lord, a vampire and a necro on foot.
That should be almost exactly 1000 points and will give you a well rounded and very good army to play the game with and see what you like and don't like.

Is it a bit cheeky to use an ogre to be a 4 unit filler for Jade Warriors? i have a few of those cursed city ogres that i feel you could kitbash for more variety and to add more ogres to the army overall.

>>96518472
Sounds like a good idea to me.

>>96518301
I am in awe of the splendor and wisdom of the celestial empire of Cathay.

>>96518472
Sounds like a cool idea.

>>96518076
Vampire Cavalry are some of the best in the game.
They make the ability to resurrect models crazy. Getting 200 points off cavalry back a turn is not hard.
With the exception of their tragic flaw, Blood Knights are the best cavalry in the game.

Do the ogres and cathay actually have a tenuos peace or what? I vaguely remember the 6th edition OK army book and the white dwarf when they launched talking about empire scholars travelling the silk road and how ogres outside the mountains were largely mercs but i dont recall any specifics about them dealing with cathay any different than they do the empire.

>>96504398

Unironically this would be pretty good.

>Dwarfs of all stripes
>Skaven
>Night Goblins

would work anywhere, then you could have things like Empire Ratcatchers Vs Skaven in the sewers. Or Treasure Hunters of various breeds trying to escape a Khemri of Lizardman temple, with all it's twists, turns and traps.

It could work as a sort of Fantasy version of 1st Ed Kill Team.

Anyone managed to make miners work in Expeditionary Force?
I've been trying because I love the unit and the idea of it. I may just suck at using them, but my finding is
>80% of the time they come up at a time where there's nothing to threaten, so I either put them in the back lines to be shot to death/charged and pushed off the next term or use them as a very expensive screen
>20% things go according to keikaku and an opponents unit get's sandwiched between miners and another unit, leading to them getting charged from the rear regardless of what they do
I basically have just been using them to "debuff" my list for newer opponents, giving them something to destroy (probably) and taking up points from warmachines/gunlines

>>96504398
You might want to try and see if you could get a copy of Battle under Thunder Mountain
As that game is basically that.

>>96518937
>Battle under Thunder Mountain
Thunder Under Mount Silence* don't know why i got the name so wrong

>>96513886
Sauce on this? Looks great

>>96518604
Dragon pussy is the strongest weapon in the Warhammer multiverse it turns out.

>>96519128
Turns out Tzeentch just had yellow fever the whole time.

>>96519132
>POV the last thing a Brettonian ambassador sees before eating the most painful and toxic poison on Mallus

>>96518349
>32 infantry models in the entire army
This is painfully fucking gay, this is what you get for crying about 6th ed infantrykino

>>96519473
you mean 8th edition retard bro.

>>96519477
Fuck I did mean 8th

>>96519473
I don't think that's a legal list, retard friend.
Sentinels are 230pts before upgrades.

>>96501264
Not really. Polearms would make excellent weapons for dwarfs. Especially in tunnel. An unatoppable phalanx of dwarven shields and pikes would be extremely hard to shift.

Similarly, a testudo formation with pikes or dwarven spears would stop cavalry charges rather effectively.

Is there a way of highlighting red that both avoids turning it pink-looking and avoids turning it orange-looking? I've used khorne red for my basecoats and want to keep it a bloody colour rather than a fiery colour

>>96519227
They told him, the sauce is too spicy but noooo.

>>96513911
>>96513922
>>96513980
>>96513999
>>96514588
>>96514980
>>96519042
Thanks guys.

No wheels, sorry, I'll be used as a center piece/objective in a 'Lone Tower' scenario from the BRB, filling as a Temple of the Grail Lady.

It is a Pegasus Hobbies model, the Gothic City Building small Set #2.
Pic rel is the kit.

>>96519579
I'd say use Blood for the Blood God technical paint

>>96519473
I don't understand; wasn't 8th ed all about big blocks of infantry?

>Warhammer uses big blocks of infantry in 8th
>dogshit
>historicals use big blocks of infantry(Hail Caesar having units come in 32 for some armies like Gauls or Greeks with a minimum 4 units per division)
>game works just fine
Maybe GW isn't very good at rules writing and haven't been for a while.

>>96519579
Layer it with orange and then brush on some red ink as our forefathers did.
>>96519731
That anon is being (hopefully on purpose) retarded, pay him no mind. While that Cathay army is an abomination, having two blocks of infantry in it is not the problem. If you take away the stupid giant statues, the loathsome balloon (I was right, by the way), and the bitch-dragon, it could almost fit in with other studio armies from 6th ed.
Almost. Cathay was a stupid idea from the start, but you all called me names when I said that so long ago now.

>>96519781
>Cathay was a stupid idea from the start
Cope gweilo.

>>96519781
I like Cathay. The models are high quality too, just wish they released a full range rather than nothing but big centre piece models. I mean hell, they don't even have missile infantry!
I think it's a good idea because it gives us a tangible way to play on the other half of the Warhammer planet, for those of us who want to. I just wish GW would make Cathay a magical version of The Empire, where it should be formations of pole arm weidling mortals supported by magical creatures and inferior tech, like a Bizarro Empire.
They should have all the units from the Total Warhammer III, it infuriates me that the soldiers don't have crossbows wtf. Also where are the peasant levies?
Then again, I also think they should make a Bretonnia style Nippon army where it's Samurai that are basically full anime, in that you can kit them out to be one man blenders(not as crazy as vampires used to be, but a middle ground), supported by peasants. Maybe Yokai and gunpowder too?

>>96519723
is the kit missing the roof?

>>96520880
Roof and floors as well. I'll plan on making a roof tomorrow.

>>96518065
I built 15 twice but I think a block of 20 with shield and 10 with halberds as a support regiment could be fun.

Are there any rumours about the war of settras fury arcane journal?

>>96520947
no

Out of a sample of say 200 games workshop customers, how many play this game

>>96520384
I never got this argument, for one thing the 'other races' wouldn't even BE fantastical if humans didn't exist in the setting, and for another it has always been established that humans will wipe out every other degenerate fantasy filth to inherit the earth because of the christian concepts that all fantasy embraces thanks to Tolkien.

>>96520979
You'll need a bigger sample before you start getting TOW players.

>>96520988
nonsense

>>96520988
Your 40k general is right over there.

>>96520996
>>96520997
tick tock humanoids

>>96521010
I don't think so man-thi I mean buddy

>>96519726
No offence but that makes zero sense

It's a special effects paint for doing blood splatter and the like, producing a transparent glossy slick finish - it's not a highlight by any means

>>96519579
>>96521153
blood at lower opacity turns to orange and yellow hues, mostly because plasma without red blood cells has a yellow tone. But you might consider a more vivid or intense red like evil sunz, or even try something like a fluor paint.

>>96520311
Yeah the Dragon Emperor being a magical dragon and his kids being immortal half dragon kids and their being magical bloodline dragonblooded is absolutely shit

China is about dynasties rising and falling and rising and falling and the mandate of heaven and the magic dragon family makes it bland as fuck

>>96519748
I don't know what they've ever been good. TOW is probably their best iteration yet, and it's still pretty shit.

You play because of the lore, or the minis or the fan base, not because the game had every been good.

>>96520979
I would say for every 100 gw players like 60 play 40gay, 25 aos, hh and tow 4 each, all the more prominent sidegames combined (bloodbowl, necromunda,...) like 5 and then 2 dudes playing whatever meme games are left like titanicus or battlefleet gothic or whatever.

>>96498952 (OP)
>TQ

More units less whatever the fuck else is in it

>>96521277
Have you even played any other editions of warhammer fantasy? TOW's magic is boring as sin, it has an awful list of magic items and balance is fucked (and not in a fun way, in a boring way). TOW is inferior to 6th in every way.

>>96520979
I play TOW almost every week and I'm not a GW customer

>>96519579
Then it means you just want a very bright red. I can suggest Vermilion from vallejo.

>>96521470
NTA but I like 8th ngl, the magic is fucking busted but if you and your opponent arent massive faggots its really fun. I have the rulebook for 6th though, is it worth thoroughly reading and playing instead of ToW instead of just dipping into it for fluff?

>>96521756
You should familiarize yourself with the rules for every edition, so yes. How can we be expected to discuss which edition is better if we don't know how the older editions worked? Go check out your army's old books, too, so you can see how their rules evolved over time.

>>96521318
theres not even 50 players in 200gw customers

>>96518280
I think you are referring to the Genevieve's / Beast in Velvet books, with the fake Cathayan ambassador (actually Tzeentch cultist) mentioning how Monkey King is the emperor.

>>96500562
The basic troops with modification will be, but the blunderbusss make me sad with how stupid and goofy they look

>>96521840
Fair enough lmao

Newbie lore question: is there a part of the Empire based on Austria and Czechs?

>Bretonnia is morte d'arthur, france and england (or Wales?)
>Kislev is russia plus winged hussars
>The Empire is the holy roman empire with some provinces sounding like they're based on specific real life regions like a province that's basically Switzerland (mountains, guns and neutrality in civil wars), a free port city, etc

>>96522315
>austria
empire
>slavs
kislev

>>96522315
Reikland is sort of austria I guess? It's more akin to the rhineland, but it does have some mountains to the south and altdorf is obviously the vienna equivalent.

>>96522592
Wouldn't Nuln be the Vienna equivalent?

>>96522597
Nuln'w whole gimmick is better served by the ruhr, which doesn't really have one city dominating it. I guess nuln is cologne?

>>96522806
Cologne works for Nuln
Salzenmund is meant to be Hamburg or Breman maybe
I'm not sure what historical HRE city Middenheim is meant to be based off

I just built my first Cathay Sentinel.

I heard talk of it being the worst kit to build in modern warhammer and didn't believe it.

How did this fucking happen?

>>96522975
it's a true mystery

>>96523026
A single calf made of 8 pieces that are constantly pushing each other apart and fighting for space is one of the worst things i have seen CAD produce.

>>96522975
>Sprue over-engineering/anti chinkcast and slavcast techniques.
The sprue for the model is massively over engineered (somthing that GW kits have been sliding towards for years now) and realistically the kit could have been made with far fewer parts and kept the same level of detail. This may have been done on purpose to make recasting it much harder.

>>96523521
>done on purpose to make recasting it much harder.
but people can recast the assembled pieces

>>96523521
Then why is the Sky Lantern so simple in comparison?

>>96522975
The FW/Specialist Games side of GW just like weird finicky sprues.

>>96521470
>TOW's magic is boring as sin
I'll take boring over max dice purple sun spam.

>>96524131
Just dont play with powergaming faggots, relying on GW to rein them in through overzealous balancing instead of just refusing to play them irl is partly why modern GW games are boring

>>96521661
yeah got to say out of any playerbase, printing is the most common in TOW in my area, including the biggest tournaments in the UK. It's not the odd unit either, its fully printed armies every time. I'm amazed GW can still consider it much of a profit maker, printing is nowhere near as prevalent in the heresy or 40k.

>>96524600
Fuck GW, Ivan and Chang deserve my money more just for keeping OOP (((legacy))) models flowing

>>96524131
>I'll take boring
I fucking won't, though I don't find TOW magic boring, just very barebones and not very fluffy. It's in a serviceable state, I can still play an insane pyromancer Outcast Wizard and a healslut Damsel so I'm satisfied.

>>96521470
Tow magic is great, you don't play the game.

>>96524131
We don't need to go from one extreme to another, anon. Personally, my issue with TOW's magic is that the spell lores just suck and casting magic isn't exciting at all. It's routine! Every turn, you cast the same spells, because why wouldn't you? Every game, you run the same lore, because why wouldn't you? There's no variety! You can't even make your wizard a specialist in a specific lore or kind of spell because the lores are all jumbled up. Even if some of the old lores weren't meta, they were still fun. Now everyone is just reduced to taking either battle magic, elementalism, or daemonology, with the other lores being almost entirely useless. Hell, even the good lores often have several spells that just suck and don't do anything. Tell me, how many times have you rolled daemonic familiars, daemonic vortex, summon elemental spirit, flaming sword, or curse of cowardly flight and had them actually do anything of value in a game? The lores are so lopsided that taking a lore familiar is almost mandatory because your wizard desperately needs specific spells to actually do anything. And how do you cast these spells? Two dice, that's it. Your wizard isn't channeling the winds of magic to imbue his casting with the raw power of chaos, risking his very soul in order to eke out just a little bit more arcane might, he's casting a spell the same way he'd make a break test.
>>96524676
But you can't really make a pyromancer outcast wizard, that's the problem. A battle mage only gets two fire spells (neither of which is guaranteed) and the other spells aren't fiery at all! A fire wizard used to be able to roll from 6 or, depending on the edition, 7 fire spells.
>>96524978
I'm getting tired of people saying that every time I talk about something I dislike in TOW. I've posted many battle reports before. You can disagree with me, but don't call me a liar. TOW's magic was designed for people who hated the magic phase and I think that's terrible.

>>96525034
You're a liar and a retard. Tow magic is great. It's impactful and varied without ruining the game. You suck ass.

>>96525038
>>96524978
Hes right, ToW magic is functional but has zero flavour, most of the lores are gone, and without winds of magic theres very little decision making or risk:reward, you just attempt to cast every spell you have, every time.

>>96525075
You're not right. Every lore has great spells and they're all different. There's plenty of decision making when you build your army, pick the lores, the items, when you roll the spells and when you use them in the game.
Not having a dice pool doesn't make the magic in tow boring, that's barely relevant at all. Only a braindead faggot who doesn't play would say that.

>>96524468
It wasn't even power gaming. Just show up with a wizard who can cast a vortex.
>>96525034
>Personally, my issue with TOW's magic is that the spell lores just suck and casting magic isn't exciting at all. It's routine!
The lores definitely don't suck. 1.5 nerfed magic so it isn't a question of magic sucking.

Is it "boring"? Maybe. But I'd prefer that lol so random spikes in effectiveness.

Whole 2 hour games not mattering because one player got randomly rolled his buttrape spell and randomly irresistible cast it isn't fun to me.

>>96525176
>>96525176
>>96525176
Come on guys, this thread's getting old

>>96525111
>Whole 2 hour games not mattering because one player got randomly rolled his buttrape spell and randomly irresistible cast it isn't fun to me.
I disagree.
Both I and my opponent remember and laugh about the time I blew up an entire block of Lothern Sea Guard with rancid visitation and he couldnt pass his toughness test for shit, or when he popped my unit of chaos knights AND my lord with Gehennas Golden Globe.
Neither of us remember that time I cast phantasmagoria and it was tactically useful.

>>96525034
>Battle Magic
>Lore Familiar
>my Outcast Wizard is now a pyromancer
Like I said, very barebones, but magic is still good and you can still do interesting things with it

>>96525232
>>96525232
>>96525232

>>96523521
>3D scan built model
>Break it up in blender or some other thing
>3D print reduced part masters
>Cast in resin that costs pennies and causes skin cancer
The ruskies just keep winning.

>>96518332
yeah its a way to out cool dioramas and thematic scenery

But ultimately it can save you £££ because your buying that many fewer models