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>Legacies:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:
https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N

>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
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>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
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>30k TACTICA & TIPS
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https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
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>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
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>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread Question:
What is the best model to use as a base for a character conversion?

>>96525756
No judgement here brother, I got the full set as well.
Mine arrived last weekend, it's actually quite nice.

Anyone got a scan/pdf of Liber Strategia for LIgma?

>TQ
Vandus hammerhand

>>96525745 (OP)
>TQ
The AoD characters of course. Or Fafnir Raan

>TQ
The old resin praetors are perfection. Lots of character already, perfect base to add bits too.

>>96525767
I fell for the bait

>>96525853
How big is that terminator in comparison to the current plastic Cataphractii?

>>96525858
NTA and I don't know ow the answer to your specific question but I do know the power armor praetor fits in with nuscale characters just fine

>>96525853
they are truly wonderful

>>96525888
Oh, nice, that's good to see.

>>96525858
He's as tall as plastic cats, both he and the PA praetor were a bit on the bigger size when they were released meaning they're now average after everything bulked up.

>>96525901
Hand sculpted models have a soul that I think computer modeling can't emulate. I don't know why, maybe it's the imperfections adding to the realism of the model.

>>96525919
>He's as tall as plastic cats
Excellent, that's what I needed to hear.
I'm working on an alternate list for my IW where I use a Delegatus to take a second Hammer of Olympia so I can get a lot of terminators on the table, and he looks like a good base for that Delegatus.

>>96525919
>Hand sculpted models have a soul that I think computer modeling can't emulate. I don't know why, maybe it's the imperfections adding to the realism of the model.

When you have a hand sculpted model, each individual line and detail starts as nothing or a blob, and is then hand shaped until it looks correct, even if its slightly uneven or off, every single line and shape is worked into shape until it looks "right." This is the theory of Blanchitsu, you just keep moving ink and lines until it looks right, going from detail to detail and segment to segment, creating a progressively cohesive piece. Details lead to details, lines lead to lines, and they all have to add up to look "correct" to the sculptor

Digital sculpting just makes all the lines perfect the first time, and keeps adding perfect lines and details until the sculptor has decided to add enough. This is why digitally sculpted models dont have much flair, the lines were perfect and constructed together properly the first time, the way the sculptor added them. It never goes through a process of evolving or refining, and thus flowing into other lines or shapes.

>>96525941
>>96525919
being able to see the masters is also very cool
https://www.edskomo.com/en-int/products/legion-praetors

>>96525941
>>96525950
I've been trying to figure out sculpting recently, made a few different Nightbringer proxies to learn how greenstuff works. I love seeing masters like that, it's so inspiring.

My next project is to make some kind of daemon character or small daemon engine from scratch, doing power armor seems like it'd be the hardest thing to sculpt because of all the hard angles and straight lines (and rivets!) so that'll be my end goal.

Would any of you anons have any recommendations for books to get better at mini sculpting?

>>96525615

The arcuitor is uniquely choppy, you want to deploy them in particular in that role because they are just so much better at this than a generic magos of similar price, although in the Arc's case in particular it's also that there's no squad in the entire army list that can infiltrate with them so they can't use their innate way to avoid faffing around with transports. If you just want to deliver Guided Scyllax to melee then a Cybernetica techpriest will make them score and can't be challenged out.

>>96526010
How the fuck are you Mechbros talking so much about a dude fighting in a challenge when you can just murk every combat with a swarm of 25ppm souped up Ursarax and blanket the rest of the board in irradiated Phosphex artillery.

>>96526200
Anon we endured 3 years of having 5% of the book be playable, let us enjoy this

Keep posting wips. What's the latest relevant model you purchased?

>>96526391
Started painting my last batch of myrmidons. My last heresy purchase was 6 more saturnine for my word bearers, my last mech purchase was the new laecrymata Archmagos

>>96526424
new Lacrymaerta archmagos? which one is that? What makes it lacrymaerta?

>>96526443
Big boy here, and mainly what I'm going to use to tie together my laecrymata is white bits (robes on the priests, on the hands on ursarax, the pants on tech thralls) and using red osl instead of blue on their lenses and screens and such. Rather than the normal connotation of white being good because its pure, I'm going with it being considered baseline and primitive, the color of the Pale skin of the undergrounders that make up the levy and the color of the dnow on the ground, in contrast with the usual black associated with the highborn on their space stations.

Which is a lot of words to say red cross colors.

>>96526470
Red and white are also the colors of the Machine Orthodoxy in mtg, a fitting look

>>96526470
>>96526491
Those models have a bit of a Big Sister vibe too. Are the smaller guys tech-priests?

>>96526391
I've nearly finished the Leman Russ in the back, all oiled and waiting to seal, and I've built a Dracosan which I've yet to start. Busy week & start of term!

I have to decide between a Rhino for some tacs (only transport in the list) and a Techmarine to bumper hump 2 Vindicators, a Kratos, and a Sat Dread.
The Rhino is good mobility and a nice ablative screen but would the Techmarine give more value overall?

>>96526577
I'd say take the rhino

What if I houseruled plasma being AP2 again, what if?

>>96525888
HQs and some FW elites always were a bit bigger, nu-praetors went off the charts scalewise tho

>>96526424
Are these prints? How is graviton this edition?

>>96526515
I like the scheme, which cohort is this?

>>96526577
if you want a proper engi then you should ally in some tech priests
they basically cannot fail a battlesmith test and can also repair upwards of 8 hull points a turn with upgrades

>>96526391
been working on my despoilers for the SUPRISE COCKFAG prime slot and a centurion model with ravens talons.
Mix of armour marks from GW plastic, resin and prints. Some wearing looted SoH helms and wielding nice big hazard stripped chainswords.

Still WiP ofc.

>Emperor's Children aren't the 6th legion
>Death Guard aren't the 7th legion
>World Eaters aren't the 8th legion
>Thousand Sons aren't the 9th legion
Never understood this, surely the numbers of the Gods were established by the time they wrote the legion order? It's not even like there was ever a chance they wouldn't fall to their respective gods, it was fated and literally gene deep.

>>96527018
7x2 is 14 to be fair for DG

>>96527018
angron's genes have nothing to do with rage. He was another kindness primarch like Vulkan. The butcher nails on nuceria simply took his normal personality away by force. If fulgrim had the butcher nails implanted in his brain, he would have become a raging berserker with no emotions but anger, so your entire argument is pure retardation. The legion numbers were listed next to the test tubes, before the female who assisted in making them decided to be a stupid woman and get them scattered to all the random worlds that turned them into chaos monsters (and caused the entire heresy because women are stupid)

>>96527082
Yeah Angron was a bro and empathy before the nails, very tragic. He would have been a top tier commander primarch if it wasn't for the nails.

Fucks sake.
I have an STL for ebon keshig I wanted to use, but it has everything except arms. The only terminator arm STL I have will look weird, because they have the cataphractii tassets. Although the torso on this STL has the cata design anyway.

>>96527082
The simps who enable stupid women are much much worse.

>>96527093
I don't think it should be too difficult to find some tartaros arm STLs, if you don't already have some plastic ones lying around.

>>96526200

We finally get units with actual weapon skill, and duels are fun. Besides, the Ursas are going to stop dead against 2+ save WS5, their power fists aren't actually that good and there's no way to get them above WS4, so our more elite melee units that aren't terrified of TEQ and can nuncio-vox themselves back together after being phosphexed definitely still have uses.

>>96527082
nta but the empath stuff is BL only, and an audiobook at that so its not exactly beyond question but even in that story Angron's 'power' is to take others pain into himself which echoes the nails later, he was always a pain train which arguably is still gonna set him on a path to Khorne. Also if the chaos gods did choose the planets that the primarchs landed on then the choice of Nuceria was clearly going to go in favour of Khorne. The other thing is that the war hounds were always hyper violent, really only their psykers MIGHT have some natural empath/telepath talent since they do a lot of it but that is mostly because they have to tard wrangle Angron. Even IF we claim that the BA were Khornes real target and the WE weren't fated, the other legions clearly were. For a universe obsessed with fate and humans treading the same paths it just seems a missed opportunity not to further establish this with legion numericals, at present they simply have no meaning at all. I just wonder what the thought process was, presumably there wasn't any, behind the randumb order.

>>96527196
The legion numbers were chosen by the Emperor, who was doing as much as he could to give Chaos any power or advantage. He wouldn't be retarded enough to give primarchs whose personalities were already bait for certain Chaos Gods to also give them the number of that god.

>>96527196
The legion numbers were chosen by the Emperor, who was doing as much as he could to avoid giving Chaos any power, leverage or advantage. He wouldn't be retarded enough to give primarchs, whose personalities were already bait for certain Chaos Gods, the number of that god.

>>96527282
NTA but that's the lore reason. Out of universe, why didn't GW do it? It was completely free

>>96527326
Because it would not have made sense in the lore, you dimwit. At the start GW did have some remotely people writing the lore, who wouldn't have made retarded shit just to appease inbred autists like you.

>>96525950
look like i found my future auxilia marshall thanks to you

>>96527018
Because it would be the equivalent of having a ww2 wargame with an american battalion whose motto is "we're nazis, we hate america, we're going to betray the allies in the third scenario rulebook".

>>96527384
That seems like current day america

>>96527452
That's why I specified ww2.

>>96527345
how woud it have not made sense in the lore? The only reason it doesn't make sense is because of your supposedly canon reasoning that the Emperor was trying to avoid giving the chaos gods power over the legions, which doesn't even make sense because he could have just NOT had legions 6 to 9 at all. There's also no reason to think the Emperor would particularly know the numbers of the Gods, and if he did then why didn't he pick up on weird nuances like Magnus and Morty getting hard for 9 and 7? There clearly was no thought at all put into the decision, but that doesn't excuse GW not retconning it as soon as someone thought twice about it.

>>96526391
Going slower than i intended

>>96527384
but the heresy is already like that, thousand sons fying around on speeder discs with daemon pals and a cult system of birds etc, Death Guard being disgusting wearing green using scythes, it's not exacty a slap in the face when they turned. Nt to mention the emperor saw all this and their home worlds and proceeded to make their lives as hard as possible.

>>96526391
New Sat box for my BA anon, but I am eying off a bunch of the new rapiers and Mk2 assaults when they finally get released.

>>96526515
These are great, keep it up anon

>>96527531
Lord have mercy, that's some 90s-looking shit.

>>96527594
That's partly what the inspiration was
I like my weird robots

>>96527545
factually incorrect and total bullshit. Fulgrim was never treated the slightest bit badly by the Emperor even once. Morty also has no reason to not simply thank the Emperor for killing the villain, saving Morty's life and his people and bringing them to the stars. Magnus has zero grievance against the Emperor, he simply chose to constantly break the rules despite being explicitly given reasonable restrictions and warnings. Curze has zero legitimate grievance against the Emperor, he was never mistreated in the slightest. Nothing the imperium did to him is more than a mild inconvenience compared to Curze spending years eating humans and getting bullet holes put in his body trying to become the tyrant of nostramo. And nobody forbade Curze from reforming Nostramo to be a civilized golden world like in Ultramar - Curze simply was a dumb cunt who never even tried to ever improve his planet. Perturabo wasn't forcibly given the bad assignments, the lore says he explicitly volunteered for all the dirtiest hardest jobs because he's a fucked up masochist with a victim-complex "look at poor humble Perty willingly volunteer for toilet duty every day he's so heroic and never asks for the slightest bit of recognition" - some passive aggressive cocksucking behavior on his part. Primarchs are 50,000 IQ so Perty has zero to whine about and act like an 11 year old teenage girl "why didnt you read my mind and force me to have the easiest glory missions sometimes?!" And Lorgar is a little bitch who has no excuse, a 50 IQ tard could need religion, a primarch doesnt.

Angron is the one and only traitor with any legitimate complaint. The emperor ought to have simply had his custodes kill the gladiator-owners and free all Angron's people in 60 seconds. Though that wouldn't have saved Angron as the nails were irreversible. (It was rather obvious Angron has no choice but to become khornate the second you meet him and experience the nails effects, so Emps might've written him off)

>>96527594
Imagine not painting your models to look like children's toys.

>>96527545
There is so much wrong with this that I almost typed a small book so I deleted everything and will keep this as short as possible. You are mixing up cause and effect plus pre-heresy and post-heresy.

>>96527670
>Morty also has no reason to not simply thank the Emperor for killing the villain, saving Morty's life and his people and bringing them to the stars.
The Emperor put Morty in that position in the first place. When he showed up he gave an ultimatum that Morty had to kill the final overlord immediately, or else the Emperor would do it and then take the planet that Morty had been trying for years to liberate. The Emperor could have simply let Morty finish up when he felt good and ready for it, or he could have killed the overlord first and then made terms with Morty. But by the Emperor's own admission, the point of the whole exercise was for Mortarion to be forced into a fight he couldn't win and then, properly humbled, be bound into the Emperor's service.

Like sure there's a case to be made that Morty should just get over himself and be happy that Barbarus is at least free from the overlords no matter how that happened, but the Emperor hardly presented himself as a trustworthy or sympathetic character.

>>96527670
>Fulgrim
I'll give you that one, though Emperor playing favorites didn't help
>Morty
The Emperor tricked him and humilliates him, and cuckes him out of his life's purpose
>Magnus
The Emperor designed Magnus to be turbocharged with warp shit, then held a rigged trial bannig warp shit, then let other legions like Space Wolves and Scars ignore said ban, all while being the biggest warp fucker himself, and working on his own warp shit projects, then getting mad at magnus for using the only meams he had to warn him of his favorite betraying him
>Curze
Emperor had the power to soothe his visions and pain but chose not to, then saddled him with recruits from the shithole that was Nostramo. And Curze couldn't have improved it because before Emperor he literally didn't know how, and his broan was hardwired by the emperor to see guilt everywhere anyways, and post emperor he was always crusading around at the Emperor's behest, he coulsn't really take a sabbatical centuey to fix the planet
>Pert
Sure he was a massive autist with an inferiority complex, but also he was right in saying that nobody thanked him. Horus killed some orcs and got named warmaster despite being a dogshit tactician more interested in chasing glory than leading an army effectively, meanwhile Perturabo built big E an Empire and they didn't even name a toilet pattern after him

>>96527811
Morty isn't some 10 year old little girl, he has no excuse for acting like a little teenage fag who is pissy for being saved. Primarchs are supposed to be so intelligent they can learn 50 languages just by flipping through a dozen random books in languages they can't read in seconds. They don't have the "I'm a child" excuse. And when the Emperor arrived on Morty's world, Morty was already an adult. Morty's just a weak piece of shit loser. And even when he's hundreds of years old he still acts like a 10 year old child - no excuse whatsoever. It's fitting he chooses to sniff farts his entire life.

>>96527844
This. Mortarion was actively dying and about to be killed by his foster-father when the Emperor came in and saved his life. Mortarion is an ungrateful bitch, and one of the biggest hypocrites of all the primarchs.

>>96527818
>banning warp shit boohoo
The emperor literally told Magnus that he must use restraint with the warp shit and bad things happen if you go too far. It wasn't a "rigged trial", it was literally Magnus wanting rules not to apply to him and to be a fucking retard child and correctly being told no, rules apply to everyone. The Emperor is the strongest psyker in the entire universe and Magnus has exactly zero actual reason to not obey him. He's a spoiled bitch.

>Curze
No idea where you came up with that asspull. And it doesn't take a primarch 100 years to learn how basic planetary government and delegation works. A primarch can learn 50 languages in a single day or command 5,000 spaceships in 4-dimensional space combat from a chair and you think he needs 100 years break to just figure out things like "create a unit of officers who follow a set of guidelines to improve the planet and must regularly check-in with evidence said guidelines are being followed and life is getting better"? You are seriously retarded. One random imperial fist or ultramarines trooper alone (non-primarch) would have been enough to assign to nsotramo and fix the entire planet. Curze had an entire legion at his command and was too retarded to find or train a single person capable of doing a single thing useful. That's Curze being complete trash.

>Pert
Didn't conquer more worlds than others. Horus added more total worlds to the Imperium than any other primarch, which by your own measure, fully justifies him being made warmaster. Lion el'Jonson was a better strategist and the fastest world-adder. A 12 year old may need flattery, for a primarch to rebel because he didnt get compliments means he's a pathetic trash loser bitch.

Is there a single traitor primarch that isn't retarded? Couldn't they have just given a single one a simple reason for rebelling, such as a desire for more power or independence, instead of it all being chaos corruption or daddy issues?

>>96527818
also, perty's strategies are laughably bad. They're always "go straight down the middle and spend 50,000,000,000,000 shells of ammunition and lose 80% of your army assaulting the enemy position"

That is literally inferior in every way to Horus or Lion's strategies which is teleport some forces behind all those defenses and save the 80% casualties figure and not waste 10 years worth of ammunition by being a moron.

Perty being a strategist is one of those tell-not-show moments. He never does a single thing that actually is genius.

It wouldn't be accurate to call Perty a 100x dumber version of Lion, because he's more stupid than 100x dumber. Lion realizes "oh, today is a Jaghatai strategy would win day" so Lion has his speedy boys win the day. "Oh today is a perturabo style day" and wins the day that way with siegecraft. "Oh, it's mortarion time" and has phosphex or virus bombs eradicate a planet. "Oh, this calls for Horus terminator deepstrike against the HQ" and Lion's deathwing terminators do a decapitation strike and save the day. Oh time to sneak around Ravenguard style and hunt. Lion is an actual strategist, while Perty is literally a retarded ORK who bangs his head against the wall, drooling and yelling "MORE DAKKA, MO DAKKA, MO DAKKA" Perty is simply the ranged version of Angron. Perty is incapable of actually using strategy or tactics at all, he has one simpleton cookie-cutter approach he follows no matter what which is the reason his legion has the worst casualties of any legion and brags about it.

>>96527931
alpharius

>>96527914
>Rules apply to everyone
Except for Russ I guess, it's okay if you wear a fursuit
>Curze
Again, he could barely function as a human being. His brain was hardwired tl work like that, and his entire upbringing was molded by the absolute worse humanity had to offer. He didn't train one of his sons because he didn't trust humanity, especially humans from nostramo, and the Emperor never bothered to show himthe good parts of humanity; instead he gave him an army of the same people he despised and told him to go wage war across the galaxy.
>Pert
Hoeus only added more because he started first. And Perturabo's tactics worked, and he didn't chase glory like a retard. Ironically, maybe if he had, people would've praised him more. You don't hear anyone shitting on Horus for Gate 42, or Ferrus for Istvaan, but when it comes to Pert everyone goes "oh he's just a meatgrinder retard"

>>96527992
I see you're a brain damaged moron. The emperor always allowed Magnus to use a little teensy bit of magic like Leman Russ men use. That wasn't a problem. It's that Magnus was a fucking stupid retard who wanted to go 10,000x further that was the entire problem (and obvious to literally everyone.)

Magnus was trying to go 200 mph on the highway then when he gets pulled over is a stupid faggot who says "why aren't you also pulling over THAT guy who is doing 61 in a 60?!?!"

Yeah, dumbfuck, there was no need for nikea at all if you just drove 61 in a 60 like everyone else. Magnus was literally the problem.

>>96527980
Perturabo made an excel sheet to calculate resource expenditure cost/benefit and determined that his method was either the most efficient or reliable. When you're conquering a whole galaxy, law of large numbers will prove you right with time. Other Primarchs favored more risky gambits that could win the day through decisive heroic strikes, but unless you've got writer fiat plot armor, there's no way just teleporting 20 terminators on top of their HQ works reliably. Sure people will praise the heroics of the time you sent a 10 man squad deep behind enemy lines ans they assassinated a commander, but they don't mention rhe otjer 9 times where they get gunned down with no support. Perturabo is methodical.
>Lion
Bad example since his whole thing is being the perfect adaptable commander jack of all trades master of all. If Emps could turn back time I'm sure he'd have made 20 Lions instead

>>96528024
>source: Perturabo says perturabo's way is most efficient, zero external evidence agrees
We've investigated ourselves and found no signs of wrongdoing.
All you've shown is that Perturabo is also SHIT at excel spreadsheets like he's shit at everything else in his life.

>>96527931
Their entire lives were shaped by chaos corruption and daddy, what else could it have been? The whole point of the Horus Heresy is that the Emperor wanted to lead humanity but was a horrible human, so his children turned out being gods who were all terrible people.

>>96528030
>The superhuman demigod must be wrong, and the Emperor simply chose to never call him out on it, instead supplying his legion with all the latest technology and resupply priority for the lulz

>>96528024
also, it's funny you're such a retard you think Lion being able to realize "maybe my army should be good at more than only 1 single thing" could not possibly be done by any other legion because the idea of a legion of 100,000+ learning multiple talents is entirely inconceivable for a 10,000 IQ primarch other than Lion.

Anyone even 150 IQ would realize your army should be able to adapt to multiple situations and utilize all the different strengths that space marine armies could have. The universe is far too big a place to expect to make a flanderized inferior one-dimensional army like the Iron Warriors and have it be worth a shit. Some alien races will have forcefields that ranged weapons don't work against. Or super defenses that only mobility can counteract efficiently. Or be incredibly mighty like orks yet have very poor stealth-detection justifying a RavenGuard-style seeker team being used. This isn't some ground-breaking clever stuff. Or political vulnerabilities that manipulating divisions in power structures would suddenly make the planet defenseless alpha-legion-style. Or have billions of humans who could resist but whose resistance could be removed with a single video Nightlords-style and no collateral damage.

GW wrote Perty to be a complete and utter retard who isn't good at strategy in the slightest. They did this to not have him step on the flanderizations of other legions (for brand identity purposes, so he's MrSiege and Corax is MrStealth and Jaghatai is MrSpeed) - but cause doesnt matter, the result is him being trash at warfare and not deserving to be Warmaster or complimented. Nothing he does is more impressive or effective than that done by Curze or Mortarion or Ferrus or Guilliman or Lion or Horus or anyone else. Perty's only strength is IW geneseed allows making a million replacement soldiers for his dumb gameplay's bad losses. If Perty was cursed with TS, SW or BA geneseed he'd have been fired for being a total fuckup in seconds.

>>96526391
Some battlefield assets. I think I'll add spare guns and tool boxes etc to the ammo depots.

>>96528044
The super human demigod had the biggest marine loses of any legion and wasn't exactly know for taking more territory than the other so yes, he was absolutely retarded

>>96528030
>>96528116

You make perturabo sound like he suffered from terminal MBA-brain AND being an autistic nerd with a martyr complex. Truly he was cursed by the gods!

>>96527571
Your praetor looks like he's waving his old man stick at some kids and yelling at them to get off his lawn.

>>96527931
I think Alpharius had a pretty good reason, despite how retarded he was made by Abnett and French (curse his yet-unraped name).
Having his allegiance be to humanity and not the Imperium makes sense as a reason to want to tear down the old system. (If we take his lies at face value).

>>96528214

He does pretty well at bullying demon Angron that one time, so clearly he CAN get his shit together if he has to and the Iron Warriors are pretty good at facechecking people. I think the writing is hindered by the fact that almost everything is open battle against other legions anyway, so they can't be the best at large-scale force on force action without stepping on other legions' toes, so you just get "best at dying".

>>96528275
I also like that in the speech Lorgar gives at Istvaan the part directed towards the AL is the only one that isn't essentially "daddy doesn't love us enough :("

The concept of the AL wanting to rebel because the Imperium isnt xenophobic enough is extremely based.

>>96525765
No but I purchased the book because I'm not a poorfag

For the anon making foil banners for titans.

>>96526686
Homebrew, no name or details yet. Need to writefag it, but that's not my forté
>>96527575
Appreciate it anon

>>96528455
>If your opponent is a cheating WAACfag you can slit their throat with the banner too

Neat.

>>96528488
>professional painters hate him
>he applied realistic blood effects on his minis with this one weird trick

>>96528275
I think he was just a crackhead and everything else is people making excuses for him

>>96527670
>>96527818
Fulgrim also had the cock up with the legion geneseed reserves to deal with, not exactly the Emperors fault but similar to Magnus getting the fleshchanging TS to handle.

>>96525950
>>96527360
What a legend, solar aux was basically his pet project too

Now I need to figure out how to equip Him.
I want to be faithful to the classic art He's inspired by, but at the same time I don't care for the bolter and also wouldn't mind Him having the fist/claw as well. So either sheathed sword and fist with empty right hand, or fist/claw as well as the sword in the right hand. Sort of evoking both of the classic Emperor art pieces.

>>96527571
Assault cannons inside fists?

>>96527360
So when 40k has the baby carrier shit, it's slop, but when this guy makes it, it's soul?

>>96527892

>>96527844
I don't think you understand the impact of childhood abuse. You sound very immature.

He was severe childhood ptsd and daddy issues because of his adoptive necromancer father, he probably noticed the Emperor being a psyker too and that would have been a deal breaker. Both dads just wanted to use him for a weapon, they never cared about him.

Him and his legion becoming liberators during the crusade was a small highpoint in his life, like during Galaspar or the rangdan xenocides.

Him literally becoming his necromancer dad later while his astartes sons were held hostage by Calas and Nurgle makes it all the more tragic. Hypocrite yes, still tragic and the continual cycle of family abuse.

Peacefulparent.com btw don't hit your kids.

>>96528652
It helps that the SA one doesn't look like shit.

>>96528652
Auxfags want their yummy wummy primarch sub, please understand

>>96527980
IW had excellent geneseed which made it easier for them to replace their losses unlike other legions. Without Perty the seige of Terra would have never been breached, Horus wouldn't have made it to Terra even.

Hoping for some feedback on my initial start list, not really sure how I want to build after these two tac squads

Crusade Primary Detachment [549 Point(s)]
Praetor [135 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol (default), Terranic greatsword, One Apex Detachment, Prime Unit (Paragon of Battle)

Centurion [100 Point(s)]: Reaper of Hosts
• 1x Centurion with Jump Pack Bolt pistol (default), Terranic greatsword,
Prime Unit (Paladin of the Hekatonystika)
Herald [110 Point(s)]: Terranic greatsword, Bolt pistol, Icon of Allegiance

Assault Squad Unit, Combat Shields,
• 1x Sergeant Pair of lightning claws
• 2x Legionary Power lance, Combat shield
• 8x Legionary Chainsword, Combat shield
Prime Unit (Master Sergeant)

Ironwing Gauntlet ++ [630 Point(s),
Land Raider Carrier [270 Point(s)]: Twin heavy bolter, Pintle Mounted havoc launcher, Two Spons lascannon

Kratos Assault Tank [360 Point(s)]: Decurion Locus, Melta blast-gun, Autocannon, Two Sponson Mounted heavy flamers, Co-axial Autocannon (Melta blast-gun)

Stormwing Muster [460 Point(s)
Contemptor Dreadnought [180 Point(s)]: Gravis chainfist with in-built ranged weapon, Gravis plasma cannon, Plasma blaster, Havoc launcher

Troops [220 Point(s)]
Tactical Squad [110 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
1x Sergeant: Bolter, Bolt pistol
1x Legionary Bolt pistol, Bolter, Nuncio-vox
8x Legionary Bolt pistol, Bolter
Prime Unit (Combat Veterans)
Tactical Squad [110 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
1x Sergeant: Bolter, Bolt pistol
1x Legionary [20 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Bolter, Nuncio-vox
8x Legionary [10 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Bolter
Prime Unit (LB - War-engine))

Rhino

Retinue [360 Point(s)]
Deathwing Companion Detachment [360 Point(s)]:
1x Deathwing Oathbearer: Terranic greatsword, Cytheron pattern aegis,
4x Deathwing Companion Terranic greatsword
2x Deathwing Companion Power fist, Bolter,
2x Deathwing Companion Calibanite Warblade, Cytheron pattern aegis, Bolt pistol

>>96528671
>don't hit your kids too much
FTFY

>>96528112
Really cool anon, especially the sign

>>96528631
I like the sheathed sword and fist with empty right hand, such a brilliant model

>>96527892
One of the biggest hypocrite primarchs is Corax, who never seem to get enough pushback for being a so called liberator while serving the biggest enslaver of humanity forcing people to join at gunpoint or die.

>>96528687
Imagine hitting a child, you are a monster.

>>96528724
People have been hitting kids for getting out of line for thousands of years. I am fine with being part of that august body of monsters.

>>96528784
Were you hit when you were a child by your parents?

>>96528690
Thanks, looking forward to painting them

>>96528671
Hit your kids hard enough they can't become you.

>>96528821
>not "Achtung minen!"
Why even have a minefield at this point?

>>96528836
For all the dead children.

>>96528821
Where did you get those transfers?

Oh the gimp is still here I see

>>96528700
Yeah, I've been looking at some 3rd party Emperor's and I really liked this one. With the discount last month, had to pull the trigger on it, along with some bits. Once some bits arrive from China, my Seekers are getting taken apart and put back together in older style of MkVI.

>>96528888
Yes I bought some tortugabay during the sale also, how big is the Emperor model compared to marines?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpQveRzD3sQ&list=PLfzD635L8X7Q7WndsZRi19Pdk3OTIMO55
Out of all the iterators I'm sure there are a few that made videos like these.

I'm looking for some inspiration to make a mechanicum or demon model.
Are there any descriptions of stuff in the books that stayed with you or revolted you?
What would a nightmarish blend of daemon and machine look like to you?
If you've got an idea that's all demon (or all machine) please let me know too.
I wanna make something completely horrifying

>>96528890
>how big is the Emperor model compared to marines?
I don't have any good models to compare to on hand, but with a quick sizing up, He's about a head taller than a plastic cataphractii. Like His chin is about the level with the terminator's forehead. Don't have a Custodian to compare to right now.

>>96527914
> Lion
> Fastest world add-er
Citation ended. And the fastest 'world adder' is fucking G-man, the second he joined the Imperium the Emperor gained Ultramar and it's Five Hundred Worlds, which were so well run the Emperor literally left it be and allowed it to solely supply the Ultramarine Legion

>>96527601
Giga based paint job and well executed.

>>96526391
Castellax WIP

>>96528652
yes

>>96528784
people have also died of measles and rabies for a similar amount of time; i hope you're ready to die on that "my ancestors did it so it must be good" hill

>>96528937
Alright thanks anon, feel free to post pics when you have assembled him and have other models. Have fun painting him.

>>96528652
One is meant to be a dedicated weapon of war from the days of high Heresy, the other an eccentric nobleman's combat wheelchair. Like how it's ok to have grav-chariots, just not ones pulled by dogs.

>>96528784
Stop being human diarrhea. I received the belt of god when I was a kid and it did absolutely nothing. I intimidate the hell out of my spawn when I need to but I don't have to be a savage sub-mutant. Talk to them, be honest, and try to see things from their tiny undeveloped brain point of view.
Have some fucking self awareness.
Everyone ever was a little shit in some way growing up.

>>96529061
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xZ_TD3QDw4

>>96528949
These are badass. As much as I despise the current slop machine that is GW, my dream would be to have creative control of Dark Mech like the SA or DG guy did. Consistent design language between 30k->40k, less corpo meddling, design both subtle construct amalgams and extreme esoterica. Ahhhh, that would be neat.

>>96529070
Sure if you don't have one that's cool, fuck em. But if you made one, you either do your best or you die knowing they fucking hate you. Do what you want faggot.

Tiny dread :)

>>96525745 (OP)
Has an ex-ForgeWorld graphics designer ever revealed the secrets to how such heavily edited model photos are made? Or is GW trying to keep that tightly under wraps?

>>96528403
I want to see if LIgma is worth getting into before buying the book. This might be too hard a concept for you to understand though…

>>96529114
Madman

>>96529128
Nigga there's no secret it just requires actual work and study of photography and photo editing

>>96528848
Comes with Krieg plastic kits

>>96529114
how will he fare against a tiny knight ?

>>96529165
Quite a lot too considering there's only like 3 assembled warlords, 2 reavers, and 3 warhounds that are just photoshopped into different legios over and over.

>>96529173
>nah I'd win

>>96529188
kek, spoken like a true EC

>>96529145
Then grovel some more begging poorfag

>>96529173
The contemptor is swifter and more agile compared to the larger, but more cumbersome knight.

>>96529225
As expected, the pay piggy is unable to understand wanting to know what the product holds before wasting his money blindly… expertly done

>>96528671
> Several hundred dollarydoo ecourses
If they care so much these lessons would be free

>>96529232
Lmao nigga I have been playing the game. I didn't spend blindly on the book.
But keep your begging up it's amusing.

Ligma minis are so cute but I hate painting them. I'm straining my eyes and might need a magnifying glass.

>>96529243
Besides my original post where did I keep asking for the scan? Keep justifying your pathetic pay piggy existence, it can only get funnier from here

>>96529264
Lmao at the seethe on display poorfag.
I'm not the one begging for scans on a Vietnamese toilet scrubbing site.

>>96529244
Well it looks good anon great 3rd legion free hand

>>96529288
Whatever you say oinky

>>96528936

Once I saw a photoshopped picture of a woman's face where her eyes and mouth were replaced with gaping sphincters. I thought that was revolting.

>>96529320
That’s pretty cool

>>96529337

No, not really, it was really gross.

>>96529291
Thanks, you can't really notice it in the photo but I painted the III slightly off-tilt by accident. Would have liked to have the EC eagle insignia somewhere but I'm not sure I could pull it off yet.

>>96529360
Well, was that the intention?

>>96527670
>nobody forbade Curze from reforming Nostramo
there were people in place to do that in his absence, they killed themselves be casue it was a hellhole. Reforming a crime ridden place takes a long ass time and has to be driven by the people who live there in conjunction with a strong authority who will quickly address immediate needs.
>Perturabo wasn't forcibly given the bad assignments
The war council literally had it out for him because he was so costly with the mortal auxiliaries given to him. He bailed out his brothers whenever they had issues with sieges and got no thanks for it. You get bitter after a while.

>>96529385
>Reforming a crime ridden place takes a long ass time
In terms of social reform two hundred years is a long ass time.

>>96529385
>The war council literally had it out for him
nigga literally kept asking for the toughest and least glorious assignments

Truly, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Alas, Konrad's Sisyphean toil, noble though it was, was always doomed by the doodoohead meanies he had set himself to ennoble in turn.

>>96529377

I think so, yes.

This might be a stupid question, but did sons of Horus have terminator units who were not painted black?

>>96529165
>>96529184
I was hoping for something like a starting point and what specific filters are always used, but I get your points.

>>96529459

That's a bit like one Stanisław Lem story where a Christian preacher tries to convert aliens to Christianity. In the end they torture him to death because they thought that's what the preacher wanted based on all the stories of glorious martyrdom he told them. Warhammer would do better to lean more on such silliness and absurdity.

>>96529464
Yes. 1st company were all painted black and red, terminators outside of 1st were sea green

>>96529487

Well, that's nice. Years ago I bought these cataphracts because I liked the design of the miniatures and painted them according to a colour scheme that I liked. How much variation was there in the colour schemes inside a legion, besides obvious units like the justaerin etc.

>>96528832
do you just not see Iron Hands or what

>>96529166
Very nice, thanks

>>96529236
The ebook and book is literally free, you are just being bad faith now and you didn't even click on the site.

>>96529516
Really depends on the company, but legions usually did stick to their overall color palette. Fists for example, their first company wore a reverse scheme, black with yellow. Dark Angels introduced bone white wherever a grievous wound was taken for another. WE swapped from blue to red eventually (cuz of how much blood soaked their armor). SoH use red to denote status afaik, so add in some red to your sarges and characters

>>96529577

Right, thanks for the answers. Are these guys too corrupted for 30k, or would they still get a pass? I recall that the sons of Horus already had a proto-csm look to them with their spikes and other design cues.

>>96529577
AL were the most diverse legion color wise

>>96529577
it bothers me that with all the pageantry and terror bullshit night lords never came up with any fun booga booga colors, like camo that looks like predators on bugs or something

>>96529631
or like did any real costuming with all the skin sewing, why wasn't anything like picrel ever actually played with

What weapons to take on Hermes Command Sections?

>>96529655
That would probably be a bit too much to pull off for a model.

>>96529913
Multilasers

>>96529408
We are in agreement that Cruze should not have joined the Great Crusade and should have spent his time reforming his shithole of a planet alongside the Terran governing party that was supposed to do it while he was away then?
>>96529411
that doesn't stop the War Council from giving him shitty assignments, Have you ever actually worked with a truly bitter person on multiple projects? they hate everything they are given and take extra work because the only thing that keeps them going day after day is their anger.

Are Scorpius tanks worth running this edition? I have two right now.

>>96529655
>>96529631
They really do seem the type >>96529611
Obviously if you’ve read the black books, not as obvious if you’ve only read the BL stuff
>>96529608
A bit, but i’d say they’re still passable

The funniest shit is still that the worst criminals on the crime planet were the ones sent to the Night Lords and they were like 11 years old. Entire megacities home to hundreds of billions of people quivering in terror before preteen super rapists or some shit.

>>96528251
Very on point

>>96528634
Assaults fo life my BA bro, its the only way to roll.

>>96528675
I mean

the little horsey is funny and all but you can see why they didn't go through with it

designer clearly misinterpreted the brief

So how do the Death Guard and Iron Warriors differ in their tactics and strategies?

>>96529989
Beware the preteen giga-rape-lord

>>96530064
brap clouds vs phosphex clouds

>>96529989
Setting aside the fact that they recruited them much older in lore, remember Nostramo is an absolute shithole with suicide as the main means of population control. I'd wager 30 was considered old age down there. It's like when you hear about historical figures being super young, IIRC Alexander the great was something like 19 when he was conquering europe. Besides, the worst criminals in Nostramo were the nobles, which canonically manipulated the tithe system so that their sons would end up as the privileged Contekar. Don't ask me how that works.

>Legion of the space gulag super criminal planet
>not one black guy in the legion

>>96530123
it's a gulag anon, they're all slavs

>>96529984
They're decent. I think that shooting two 3" blasts (ignore the "but muh spacing" anons) can actually cause more hits than one 5" blast (because of hitting people multiple times). However scattering is worse for the small blasts becaused you've got a higher chance of not inflicting any hits at all.
Breaching 5+ instead of 4+ is a nerf but frankly a needed one considering how op the Scorpius was in 2.0, but it only being D1 means that it doesn't have the anti-termie firepower of 2.0 (where they could just instant death the Termies).

For 120 points it's still probably worth bringing, but it's not an autotake anymore and is much more specialized as anti-meq.

>>96529933
Just multilasers? Are the status effects better than everything else they can bring?

>>96528949
These absolutely fuck anon, great work/

>>96530186
Multilasers are good

>>96530186
No, the other anon is dead wrong. For the Hermes command you always wants to bring the grenade launcher. You have a million other ways to get multilasers on the table, the grenades forces a different status on infantry and can bully tanks rear armour.

>>96529516
Black and gold were the SoH 1st Company
The "default" colors are sea green with black trim but painting some parts black, red, or gold is canon too. There's also one HS from Book 1 who seems to have a green-green shoulder pad indicating he's HS or that could be a company marking.

>>96529989
They are the guy on the right.

>>96530280
Mechanicum superior

>>96530176
>much more specialized as anti-meq
Good. That always has been the intended role of the scorpius. That it even decimated terminator squads in 2.0 was just stupid.

>>96530130
man you are missing out on black russians, the original energy drink except all the cocaine ones, but they weren't being sold by then

>>96530403
I agree. Paying 120 points for what was essentially the deredeo plasma blast - with pinning(1)! - if you could fire it out of LoS was absolutely ridiculous.

It's still probably decent now, I'll post feedback when I get my first few games with it but I'm looking at it this way: it costs the same as 12 tac marines and I very much doubt it'll fail to kill more than that over the course of 4 turns so it's still probably pretty great. Two of them with a siege breaker to spot seems like it would be quite insane.

>>96530419
Olympian society was based on Greek culture so you can be sure young IW recruits were not virgins either

>>96530462
Don't forget about DA

I made a Xenos of the Great Crusade generic army list for my local 2.5 group. It's very much a first draft, many things could be added and points are all a big guess. But it seems decently fun to my eyes. As always, criticism, feedback and error fixes are always encouraged and accepted.

https://gofile.io/d/uMkuRV

>>96530576
Hell yeah anon, I'll be reading this instead of working this afternoon.
I'll give you feedback as soon as I'm done.
Are you the same anon with the scouring homebrew?

>>96530598
Yep! All that stuff is in there too. I keep them updated as I correct things.

Really hope there will be a destroyer centric tactica journal after the saturnine one. I want my suicidal moritats killing themselves with disintegrator pistols again.

>>96530123
>not one black guy in the legion
did you ever stop to think they have vitiligo anon?

>>96530432
Yeah I play IW so I have a Siege Breaker and a Warsmith.

I'm thinking that having those guys doing spotting for the tanks will be sick.

>>96530123
The conversion to space marine can fuck with somebody's melatonin levels and skin tone. RG all become pale emo boys for example. Not to mention the one organ that activates in high radiation environments, which means that all marines start to look like niggers when exposed to high radiation for extended periods.

>>96530598
Am I reading this right? You can use the time parasite from the entropic cache to get a warlord to a 2++ invuln?? Based as hell.

The rangdan look appropriately nasty. I can't emit a judgement on balance because I think that needs to be tested in-game but this looks pretty awesome overall anon. It's a true build-an-army. I can tell a lot of work went into this. Some factions seem quite a bit stronger than others but that's pretty lore accurate for xenos - for every rangdan or slaugth there's a dozen xenos races that get crushed in a few afternoons by the Legions.

I'm probably going to use some of these guys to make an NPC like faction for co-op, I think it'll be a lot of fun converting stuff up and banding with another player against the xenos hordes.

>>96530805
Oops meant >>96530576 not>>96530598

>>96530805
Hell yeah. Glad it has some good feels. It's funny to me that you've already found the busted 2+ invul in there that I didn't even see. I won't change that yet since that's a Hrud goon who are notoriously tough to kill, but I might have to put in a (To a maximum of 3+). Lol

help, which helmet for a basic centurion?

>>96531191
Top left.

>>96531191
Top left or bottom left fit best

>>96531191
Bottom right for a night lord.

>>96531191
1 if you can do a good skull
4 if not
is that an escaton?

>>96530576
Looks very cool anon, good job! Seems somewhere between daemons and militia. I love how completely customizable this is, I don't think I can come up with any kind of archetype/unit idea not attainable with these rules. I love the mushroom guys.

Out of fun I decided to assign a culture and ambition to each of the 5 main races in that "unknown xenos" art spread.
Top right first, clockwise.
-Big guy: Bio-Mechanical Synthenoids, Infinite Hunger
-Shroomdude: Mycelium Empires, Inscrutable Objectives
-Mutant: Inhabitors of the Grimmest Warrens, Null as the Void
-Gunpig: Bio-Mechanical Synthenoids, Domination Cabal
-Squidward: Assymetric Vassal Forms, Inscrutable Objectives

Good job anon

>>96531191
Top right

>>96531191
Why does the pose remind me of Michael Jackson?

>>96531225
it's a world eater

>>96528940
Well we've just found out you never read the books. Lion being the highest rate of conquering enemy planets is very clearly established. Literally even by the Emperor of Mankind specifically.
"'May I be the first to congratulate you on your recent victory.' [...]
'You were not the first of my sons to reclaim a place at my side, but YOUR TALLY OF VICTORIES IS SECOND TO NO OTHER. Even Horus looks upon them with envy.'" (The Emperor of Mankind)

Lion and Horus also have a contest to conquer more worlds (with fulgrim and dorn also joining but little chance of keeping up)
"It was clear that Fulgrim, Horus and the Lion had each brought more star systems into compliance than the VII– in the case of the Dark Angels Nearly Twice As Many" (Dorn's primarch novel)

Lion wins battles so fast and effectively Leman Russ even has an eternal grudge against the First for how quickly and badly Russ was humiliated.

Multiple primarchs explicitly say Horus isn't fast, he just had 30-100 years head start over his other brothers when they weren't discovered, and while assisted directly by the Emperor's own armies and fleets. And guilliman is a trust fund baby who conquered nothing, his stepdad just handed him 500 planets because Konor was retiring - literally any primarch at all who had arrived on Macragge would have gotten a 500 planet head-start.

It's hard to pin down who the 2nd or 3rd fastest are, whether it's DG or IW, but the 1st being the highest every year is explicitly said several places. You'd know that if you'd actually read any books instead of being a chode who learns lore only from youtubers.

>>96531239
Noice, those all seem pretty accurate. I want to use some of the new Vampire Counts dudes and make my own Khrave. Real Space Vampires with guns makes the big penis.

>>96531258
it's the pointing

>>96531199
>>96531213
>>96531238
crest it is
also yes, escaton centurion to ride with some vets

>>96531274
Top left

>>96531279
Armies of vampires with weird magic tech and giant slavering beasts made from thrall soup... Pure kino.

I wish I had more players in my local area willing to do home rules, only three of the guys I play with are ever down to try weird units out (or were willing to re-add units before legacies dropped).

>>96531305
>>96531309
if he's a NL, why is he wearing WE symbols?

>plastic Learnean conversions full assembled
>plastic Headhunter conversions 99% assembled
>funbus predator ready to rock
I never wanted to unleash my autism.

>>96531313
do world eaters have a monopoly on spiked semicirciles?

>>96531323
No, but they do have a monopoly on their legion symbol

>>96531322
>Doesn't post pics of any of them

>>96531333
I'm not seeing it anywhere on this model

>>96531342
I still think it looks like a WE logo

>>96531353
there is a subtle difference but I don't think WE players would be able to tell

>>96531353
nta but i think theres a clear enough distinction between diamonds stabbed through and a clear set of incisors and canines
plus none of the WE models themselves even have this do they(based on cursory search dont whip me too hard if im wrong)

>>96531191
What kits went into this?

>>96531312
Force your friends to do it or find a few new friends who have a fun bone in their body. This is why we play. I am not fucking interested in winning the circles on the ground game with mirror match meta bullshit. Every game is a story and the opportunity to build and customize a force totally detached from whatever slop GW is trying to push that day is a glorious opportunity.

I've got some Vargheists I think I will convert this next week.

>>96531191
The one that's like a centurion helmet, of course.

>thought I might finally paint my AT widgets for the big gsme that got postponed
>that means scrape the moldlines
This...is a bigger undertaking than I thought

>>96531362
It's hilarious how one of the best WE models isn't a WE character

>>96531322
Tell me of the funbus.

Ultras and Iron Hands vs Fists^2. Probably the least fun I had in a 3.0 game, I think this is where I leave back to 2.0.

Batrep:

Fist team scores turn 1. They run up and cap all 3 points. The Saturnine’s plasma cannon shits itself on overload, and the land raiders lascannons drop a UM rhino to 2 hull points left.

On our end, my autocannon squad slams the saturnine and it pops, grav rapiers clear out the center objective for UM tacs, and my las predator kills some shit. UM contemptor flash fries the left objective, tacs and immortals clean up and take it. Right obj is “contested” for mere moments before an IF tac squad legs it from a failed rout. We take all 3, and get extra for first strike.

Turn 2
The Fist deredeo on the left side somehow fails to kill a single tac, but a vindicator shell pummels a squad. A Centurion and Tac squad attempt to take it but are a bit short on movement. Middle obj ultras are approached by an assault squad and cataphractii terminator squad, waiting to pounce. Right side sees a Saturnine praetor and 5 Templar brethren waddle out of a land raider to face a UM power armor praetor and 5 suzerain. Shooting is a bit more eventful with 2 Suzies losing their lives to combined bolter, plasma, and lascannon fire. In the charge phase, the assaults somehow fail their charge in the middle, and the cataphractii make it in instead! Then the Saturnine Praetor and his squad engage in some fancy swordplay, harming 0 suzerain but wiping out the UM praetor after 3 challenge rounds. Was very boring, the usual 3.0 challenge shenanigans. The suzerain ran off the objective, totally lost without their dad telling them what to do. 2 points capped.

>>96531276
>while assisted directly by the Emperor's own armies and fleets
A lot of primarchs had this for a period, secondly the DA total includes the worlds brought into compliance prion to the Lion being found while the DA have been the Legion with the longest history and most complete structure upon being united with the Primarch.

>>96531497
Our side got a great start, my deredeo peed his pants and missed all his shots, so his grav rapier brothers had to Pin and kill some cataphractii to cover for him. Some very lucky breaches there. After that, the autocannon squad busted a fat ass nut all over a vindicator that was getting too close, and my las predator was on tac killing duty. My immortals actually got to fire this turn, left side squad plinking a wound off a centurion with a grav shredder, pinning him, and killing 2 Templars with melta guns on the right side. Ultras kinda regrouped and got back onto the points they lost earlier. No charges since we figured points were better and we’d bait the IF praetor into charging my immortals + iron father on the right anyway, getting an easy Gorgon Spite spitroast and then probably an easy 3 points for at the warlord.

Turn 3
The fists keep stuff moving. At this point they try to keep the cata in the center alive but nothing is in range for cover fire. On the flanks they move in, and the saturnine praetor does take the IH bait. Shooting kills 2 immortals total, for the whole phase. Assaults charge the now un-routed suzies, and fail to break even a single man, and die under the sharpened axes of Ultramar’s finest. The Gorgon’s spite does exactly as we thought, and my iron father practically decapitates the saturnine praetor in a single combat round.

Our turn 3 was digging in and clean up. Not much left on their side after this.

Turn 4:
Fists just get in line to shoot. 4 dead tacs, 2 dead immortals. No scoring.

Final clean up on our end leaves one deredeo, one vindicator, 3 tacticals, and 4 breachers alive. Autocannons were about to gun down Evander Garrius before the guy just took him off the table.

All in all, just kind of more of the same. Not really a fan of the missions or challenge system in 3.0, and the game feels a lot less prone to character moments, ironically. Good on GW for apparently making the other armies fun, though.

>>96531497
I absolutely love your oldhammer vehicles anon, would love a pic of the rhino on the left, looks gorgeous.

>>96531540
Wish I could say those were mine, but they’re all my buddy’s. The man has been slaving away at them for a year+ and they look triply incredible in person.

>>96531539
>Fat brown manlet Fists player
Many such cases

>>96531539
Is that guy eating in the middle of a warhammer game? Absolute subhuman behavior.

>>96531549
Could I get a pic of your deredeo instead? Looks very pretty :)

>>96531564
Sure anon. Thank you very much.

>>96531497
Love you and your buddies models. Just do your own houserules in 2.0 or 1.0

There's a 2.5 Supplement in this link here that I made for my local. We are not looking back. I'm shilling it, but I advocate for folks to do their own things. It's good for ya.
>>96530576

>>96531583
Looks very cool anon, I bet he was a real hard knock when he was alive too.
>>96531587
This anon's 2.5 rules are pretty good, we've started using his 2.0 fixes (haven't tried the homebrew stuff but we're working up to it in our local campaign)

>>96531587
This looks fucking awesome, thank you anon, i will be introducing this to my playgroup

>>96531339
My phone camera is broken and it's all graytide right now

>>96531406
Pred with grav cannon + havoc launcher + heavy flamers

>>96531497
>>96531539
>those Ultras
SOVL

It came to me in a vision

||I may actually do this to join my EC||

>>96531627
>>96531604
Badass, thanks ya'll. Glad it's doing some good. Always down to listen to any rules and fixes you guys may come up with whenever I post the link.

>>96531769
I do think you should make brutal apply after saves so it's essentially just a hit that does 2 damage. Still an incredibly powerful rule but means it only matters against stuff like dreads and primarchs because Termies get Instant Death from every brutal weapon anyway. (Also remove brutal from all primarch weapons that have it, give them instant death or something instead).
However the fact you made destroyers actually feel like a warcrime unit means I forgive you for your brutal sins.

>>96531760
actually

>>96525745 (OP)
>tq
i'm using the EC praetor as a base for a few custodes conversions. i wish the head was posable

>>96531795
That's an interesting alternate fix. I will bring it up at my next couple games and try it out. I'm glad you like the Destroyer ammo. I haven't used it yet, but I am building a squad and want to take the Stasis Shells.

>>96531515
wrong as always. Another primarch was lucky to get a couple months alone time with the Emperor and not in a joint mission with several other primarchs. Horus was the one and only primarch to uniquely get several decades (30+ years)
And the Emperor specifically says Lion's victory tally is higher than Horus tally. If it was "your legion", he'd have said "your legion's victory tally" instead.

>>96531362
there is zero difference. Kaedes has literally the exact world eater logo 100% direct copy with the 2 canine teeth and 4 small teeth in-between, unlike the regular traitor halo which is just 3 spikes underneath the circle.
Then he's a huge burly melee brawler with zero link to raven guard in any way.
He was probably made originally as a World Eaters release but some GW corporate retard sent a memo "World Eaters have Kharn, Raven Guard are missing a named kit. Make that guy you're working on Raven Guard"
A quick head-swap to get rid of the butcher nails and bunny ears, painted black and suddenly "oh he's raven guard". They even left the khorne berserker chest power cables and leg cables (heresy power armor mk5) and didn't bother making him a mk6 like the rest of t he birdboys and didnt give him a single feather.

>>96531191
They all look pretty sexy but 2 and 4 are the best

>>96531834
If you could replace the little seat it's on you could probably carve the head out.

>>96531868
Anon, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>96531868
>>96531909
mfw

>>96531834
I did a similar conversion and was really happy with how it came out.

>>96531834
it's not? what makes it so?

>>96531950
The helmet is molded into a plinth that slots into the body. If you're a dummy like me who doesn't do it as a subassembly the right eye is really difficult to paint when it's in place

>>96531997
>EC character
>Head is literally a bust on a plinth
poetic

>>96532000
With some chops you could probably get the head out of there but it's probably not worth doing

How are knights doing this edition?

>>96532403
Their listbuilding seems very fun. Very fluffy.

>>96532403

Can't punch worth a damn, unless it's against vehicles where the chainfist/laser cutter/thunderstrike gauntlet do very well, but they aren't terrible gun platforms. The Acheron in particular can get Fear (2), stack it with its Panic (2) flamer and rout multiple squads at once, double thermal cannon Questoris is one of the few melta units that's probably worth the cost and the Atrapos black hole gun is risky but extremely mean. You can also get Battlesmith on some of your Knights now, which you absolutely want or they'll have a really hard time with statuses.

working on some axe+combat shield command squad chosen
do you guys think it works or should I hit the drawing table again?

>>96531384
traitor herald
some random chaos space marine arm
old night lord chaos lord
chainglaive empty hand
assorted heads (mkIII command, javelin gunner head)

>>96526391
early work on feeling out the pattern of embellishment on one of my eater saturnines. i intend for no two to be the same let alone potentially even all that resemblant beyond the general weathering and basing situation.
demon face sort of thing for the first go. i think it might be borrowing a little much from some scar motifs however inadvertently but it'll be gnarly enough by the end to properly convey the XII or so i intend

>>96532485
Thin your paints.

>>96532490
i think they're actually thinned too much in some instances as i'm figuring my wet palette situation out and have been content to dick around with the consistencies it sometimes makes
idk tho lmao

>>96532485
Nice White Scar

What would be the Vietnam of the Horus heresy? I'm thinking specifically of the version depicted in apocalypse now.
The siege of terra has that madness and the end (and the death) of the humanity of everyone involved but is there any other part of the conflict that has that same desperation and surreal absurdist atmosphere?

>>96532518
this will not be an issue by the time he is blended in with his squad is what i'm choosing to tell myself

>>96532528
The Siege of Cthonia is up there
>two guys who love their space dads but whom are despised by them, with significant idological divergence from said space dads, fight and send millions to die over a symbolic location notable for a fucking meme (Lupercal's throne), and then the Dark Angels show up to rape everybody

>>96531760
which hair will you use?

>>96532437
That looks cool but why have World Eaters got Night Lord pads?

>>96532554
it is definitely pretty absurd and surreal in what's laid out with this sprawling, touch-and-go campaign over the surface where contingents are getting thrown away into the maelstrom and entirely lost all over the place and no one gives a fuck in either party's upper thinking as either side is basically trying to white whale it the fuck out in a contrived, needless, literally who, unimportant, inconsequential, and nearly purely symbolic war on either side let along that of the first legion lmao
and fucking beneath just a festering cesspool of sons of horus holdouts and their inductii and word bearer cohorts mounting incursions in some of the most adverse environments imaginable t. ZM
not too far off from that whole bit concerning the bridge being fought over and destroyed and rebuilt over and over again in an awful sisyphean display

Do calibanite dark angels/luthers guys get up to anything during the heresy besides the end of Caliban?

>>96532588
Seconding any knowledge of this. It would be cool if the Patriots of Caliban did some pacifications in outlying systems quietly during the heresy before getting into the biggest dick contest when the Lion got back. Luther should have fucking rules and a model.

>>96532554

Does anyone have the file for that campaign book or the one for the Schism of Mars? I haven't read either and I hear Cthonia in particular is a really weird one that actually has some fun Mechanicum stuff in it, since everyone's failmagos Draykavac is there.

>>96532603
Verified by Trve Caliban Patri0tz

>>96532607
Yeah sure but you’re gonna have to give me like 2-3 hours cuz I’m at a casino with some friends… or like 12 hours if I forget and fall asleep. Worst case scenario ask next thread if I never get back to you

>>96532607
I am unaware of a current DL link, amybe the 2.0 archivist will pop in.
It is REALLY good though.

>>96532607
>>96532615
Wait wait is it the LI one or the 2.0 one? I forgot which is which

>>96532607
https://files.catbox.moe/oy47n5.pdf
https://files.catbox.moe/g24nbs.pdf
https://files.catbox.moe/gxbtoh.pdf

>>96532575
I'll probably just greenstuff it, they're pretty simple shapes

>>96532582
everyone can get chain axes now donchaknow

>>96532636

Thank you very much anon, I'll go through these tomorrow. I missed basically all the books that came out after the start of 2e, so it's nice to hear some of them are proper campaign books. Skimmed the Mars one and it's nice to see the Mech picking up a win or two against the golden boys and Raven Guard considering how miserable their actual rules were that edition.

>>96532615

Thanks also for the sentiment.

>>96532528
I pictured, in my head at least, that the aftermath of the Betrayal at Isstvan III was a bit like the end part of Platoon? Ya know, after they drop the napalm on their position. “It’s a lovely fucking war” Just amped up to Warhammer scale. Bodies, devastation, Marines crawling in their death throes (from the fire, not the virus-they’re just ash). Some probably on the verge of losing it. Not suicidal like Taylor, or fearful, but more like…upended to the sheer weight of it-possibly on the verge of going completely berserk. The tankers that come in the end? Grimey and hard bastards, instead of coming to back them up is there instead to put bolts in their heads and/or hack them to death.

Can find similarities in others but Platoon has a great sense of betrayal. My love for Vietnam movies and Warhammer coincides from my teen years so I have actually thought about this before. Isstvan 5 always sounded more like Iwo Jimi, in scale of brutality vs brutally & tricks pulled

>prefab hive-sized fortresses effectively dropped into place and set up on the spot
fucked

>>96532790
>blasts your fortress from orbit
Heh, nothing personnel kid.

>>96532816
thing is ringed with anti-starship cannons and domed over by a serious void shield
the trve sons invasion fleet chose not to actually pick a fight with the fortress itself given what it could do

>>96532820
>virus bombs the planet out of weapons range and mines all approaches to/from the planet
Heh, nothing personnel kid.

>>96532790
ignores it, leaves a giant dong shaped smoke trail, sends a pict of his middle finger on the way to the next planet

>>96532749
>Thanks also for the sentiment.
Ahhh no worries, just got home anyways, glad someone got them to you sooner

>>96532829
broooo awww shit that was no micro dose

Not sure how to weather/chip this Russ

>>96532914
lovely red- how'd you do it?

>>96532905
Victims of a Magos of the Order of Marcodose

>>96532919
Black primer - airbrush burnt umber > airbrush Vallejo Gory Red > airbrush Vallejo Bloody Red. The bloody red is much more saturated than the Gory Red, so it goes on lightly

>>96532920
the dank mechanicus strikes again

>>96532914
Don't we have the FW Imperial Armor books in the files?

>>96532997
Yeah. I don't mean in a technical way I guess, I think I'm thinking that how I'd normally weather my Iron Warriors isn't going to fit this SA scheme, and that I need an appropriate recipe/flowchart and the right chipping colours. Normally I'd use Rhinox Hide for dark chips and Leadbelcher for metallics but I think the brown is too dark and the metallic is too stark.

>>96533007
Here's kinda what I mean - these WB tanks I did a few years ago don't really gel well with the weathering I did.

>>96533015
gotta go crazy with it imo
there's a lot of merit to nice spick and span dudes but i'm having unreal fun with fucking shit up as though they're in and amidst it and have been for a while

Think he’d be a good proxy for a Knight Lancer? This was a pic I took before varnishing, I used Army Painter’s Satin Varnish and it came out super glossy. Don’t got a photo of that and I’m
About to sleep so I won’t bother taking a photo right now