Thread 96537947

Please shut the fuck up about WW2 edition

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>Legacies:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:
https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N

>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
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>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
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>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread Question:
Post models. I'm no longer asking.

for the first

What are some good third party sites?

I shall post this here once for feedback purposes and then I shall not shit up the threads until I have a batrep for something from it. Which might be in the next couple weeks. I've got a blackshield list that sounds real fun.

Minor Xenos of the Great Crusade
The Scouring
HH 2.5

https://gofile.io/d/AmA6RH

post wips

>>96538117
My buddy is setting up a horror themed game of zone mortalis where a ghastly ghoul that I'm tentatively calling the flesh-dog will be a third "player" randomly jumping out of the shadows to rip people apart.
I got tasked with making it so I'm bulking it up right now. For the face I'm thinking of trying to model a human face stretched backwards but we'll see.
The whole thing is gonna be very nasty, I want it to look like a human body reshaped via hammer to become a quadruped.

>>96538192
From the thumbnail I thought it was a Borzoi

>>96538192
it's got a nice silhouette
what material is that? clay?

>>96537947 (OP)
>Post models
Suffer my presence

>>96538198
Thanks anon, yep its FIMO clay. This is the smallest thing I've ever sculpted so I'm not really expecting a masterpiece but flesh is pretty forgiving to sculpt. The finally coating will be Tamiya extra smooth putty to remove any unsightly gaps or fingerprints.
>>96538197
That's basically what I was going for lmao, like if you skinned a man and loosely stapled it onto a borzoi

Played a 7-hour game today, Loyalist(?) AL vs Traitor TS
>Headhunters, despite not doing anything, spooked my opponent and locked down half his board
>Volkpred cooked a tac squad and they spent most of the game routed
>Learneans fought Khentai squad for 4 consequecutive combats, and if I had remembered they had hatred I probably could have swept despite being outnumbered by both models and attacks
>Funbus got broken mortars turn 2, very sad
>Militia troop actually came in clutch as when the re-entered via Endless Horde I put them close enough to an objective abandoned by routed tacs to scare
>I conceded the final turn since my 4th ended with me 23-20 and my opponent could score 8 during his turn
Very fun. I'm thinking about converting a cata champ to part with the Lerneans. Also, do you keep your praetor hidden or not? My opponent always keeps his Ahriman way in the back behind cover.
Also any kino suggestions for Loyalist XX that fight psykers?

>>96537947 (OP)
>>96538117
But my phone camera is still broken!

>>96538240
I'm sorry, 7 HOURS? How slow were you playing? I'd expect 7 hours for like, 10k points

>>96538253
My turns seemed pretty fast, my opponent's seemed quite slow. We are also still learning, as this my 5th 3.0 game and his 3rd. I think he confuses some mechanics with 40k 10e or 9e, and I have to explain him how it works, or look at the rulebook to answer questions.

>>96538222
Oh wow, I thought it was much bigger from the previous pic

>>96538202
How viable is running a contemptor with two assault cannons? Something about maximum dakka feels right, even if it might not be the killiest option.

>>96538290
I want to eventually get enough experience to sculpt Astartes so I've been trying to sculpt at a much smaller scale recently.
I'm starting to get muscle strands decent but armor plates seem like they're gonna be pure ass to learn to do.

>>96538310
Just play the game

>>96538240
>Headhunters spooked opponent
You mean Effrit with their Hydra's Wail? Or was your opponent scared of Headhunter bolters? What's your reasoning for taking headhunters over seekers anyways?
>Funbus
What's that?
>Hiding Praetor
Unless your opponent is actively sniping him, why would you? You're already paying premium points for a beatstick, use it.

>>96538316
Sculpting hard surfaces seems like it'd be a pain by hand, of course organic rounded shapes are gonna look better

>>96538310
My buddy has been running a double Kheres for most of 2.0 and it's been surprisingly nasty.
It's almost completely unchanged in 3.0 except for losing two shots (out of twelve) on the move and no longer having rending to help against light vehicles. It should still be a pretty good anti-meq unit.
dreads no longer having ws5/bs5 + weapons having damage values now mean a dreadnought is always going to be a suboptimal pick but they're insanely cool models (cl10). I'll be bringing a double c-fist one for anti-tank

word bearer legionaries balling out to guttural colchisian hip-hop as they sit atop and inside land raiders and rhinos in being ferried into combat

>>96538368
>colchisian hip-hop
Colchis is churchland, they'd listen to church music. The closest you're getting to hip-hop would be the 30k version of picrel

>>96538334
>Or was your opponent scared of Headhunter bolters?
5 meltabombs, inferno pistol, multi-melta

>Funbus
Pred with grav, havoc, flamers
He usually does make a beeline for my praetor always. I want him out there fighting but he's been Slay The Warlord bait, and if he's in a transport I lose a reaction point.

Once again asking what a TS terminator centurion should be equipped with to accompany a siege squad. I was thinking a single claw plus a combi-weapon to look unique but would just 2 lightning claws be interesting enough?

>>96538386
terminators with paired claws are lit as fuck but i don't think you could go wrong with a combination gun either
most of my line command terminator shits have combi grenade launchers and chainfists but the lowest on the pole has twin lightning claws, love them all to bits

>>96538376
>Inferno Pistol
...the Range 6 damage 1 single shot pistol? (Actually had to look up where the rules for it are, the legacies headhunter entry leads you to the liber hereticus ashen circle entry. Honestly, what the fuck?)
>if he's in a transport I lose a reaction point.
No you don't

>>96538413
>...the Range 6 damage 1 single shot pistol?
In context, I was close to a Rhino with a tac squad and several other targets, with two tanks in a very threatening pattern on the point. If I had popped it, they most like would've been wiped.

>No you don't
I guess I had a schizo moment, I thought he had to be on the battlefield to generate the extra RP (and it went away if he died)

>>96538386
I don't think a centurion should be with siege terminators since you don't really want them in melee. If you're dead set on hvaing him there there's only one choice, Thunder Hammer; unless TS have some spell that makes another weapon better.

>>96538454
>I guess I had a schizo moment,
Now that I think about I was fusing 2.0's "get an extra reaction as long as your warlord is alive" with 3.0's "extra reaction point with MotL or equivalent"

>>96538386
TS Commanders gotta use the khopesh swords. They're good and fluffy and you should be appreciative of the things you get.

I have purchased several additional terminators.

>>96538685
Tartaros right?
TARTAROS RIGHT?!

>getting back to Know No Fear after getting distracted for a while
>psykers in the Ultramarines all noticed something wrong as the Word Bearers were arriving in the system
>ignored it cause the Emperor told them to ignore their abilities and just be regular Marines, haunting them for decades after
Man that Council really did some damage.

>>96537947 (OP)
>tq
I'm working on some true believer despoilers to run under Zardu.

>>96538727
That was the point of stripping the loyalists of their best weapon against the warp

>>96538117
Started building the second half of the despoilers for my word bearers, and continued painting myrmidons for my mechanicum.

>>96538764
did you adjust the angle of every single one of the backpack exhaust nozzles?
fucking cool!

>>96538728
sometimes I feel jealous of wordbearaboos for not having to shave the chaos bits off their csm conversion
shit takes me an hour+ to do one marine

>>96538786
I tried shaving down some, but then i realsied i should have done thise before i glued these models together.
Becareful with those ashen circle axes, there a fucking bitch and love to break.

For most traitors, if you run your primarch then the best prime for all the troops is True Believers right?

>>96538820
>if you run your primarch
don't do that

>>96538846
Honestly they don't look too useful this edition, I'm trying to find ANY reason to run them

>>96538117
Got these two to weather, chip and freshen up a bit post oil wash. Airbrushing a Dracosan, which I then had to strip and start again.

HH previews today for sure

>>96538820

I think there's a possible case for Interdiction Cadre if you want to drop a bunch of volley-firing Sons of Horus or Fast (2) World Eaters right into optimal range, but generally, yeah.

WE are odd ones here because if you already have Malefic everywhere and +2 to charging thanks to Angron you may as well take the Loyalist trait instead of The Nails' Bite, since you don't need the status clear/resist from that bonus and Incarnate Violence gives you +1A more reliably plus a better gambit.

>>96538786
Sharp knife and a dremel make it pretty fast to do.

>>96538386
You take a fist and use their OP gambit

>>96539021
The "loyalist" trait feels better in general, a lot more reliable than having to lose half your squad to get a similar boost.

I wonder why only 2 legions got double traits? aside from the other two monogod legions, you could probably have a Luna Wolves trait and an Imperial Heralds trait. The other legions don't change that much.

On the loyalist side, you could probably have SoH-lite RG, crazy cannibal or black rage BA, and shattered IH

After Ahriman, notBjorn, Fafnir and Zephon, GW just stopped making plastic characters for HH.
Why?

>>96539092
i think it has some overlap with how far gone some of the legions became and maybe more specifically, those that actually had the most congruence with chaos patrons
the death guard kinda didn't really shift around too much in doctrine once they were full-blown pox oozing bloated up and blessed motherfuckers besides standing and taking even more punishment than prior to put down or so is the sense i get
the thousand sons were decimated and raped from the outset and their real 'fall' was yet unfolding in the form of the rubric marines as best i understand all throughout the conflict, atop the factors of their inclinations to tzeentch really just aligning with escalating psychic capacity and such which they're already built upon
EC? represent a real, real, very fucking serious and pointed waning of grace as it were in the form they had adopted by the later days
similarly, the totally rampant, tsunami-like despoiler tides of the eaters of the more advanced stages once angron had been given over and all that is a d r a s t i c shift even for the XII and would be similar to the example of the third legion in that respect
sons of bodt frankly doesn't encompass it so well but i lean towards the more doctrinal 'loyalist' (as if) flavor anyhow in how my dudes are being arranged

>>96539170
>black and dark green camo
>bright silver lined ammo pouches

>>96539156
A number of reasons. For starters, the profit margin on plastic characters is rather low due to mould costs. Most players will also only ever buy one of a character, compared to something like a box of tacs which most players will buy multiples of. Plus, all the big name characters are already in, so either you make up randoms or pull out some obscure ones that only book readers will recognize, either way there's mot that big of a draw compared to generic customizable ones, some players might even dislike playing with unique dudes in general. And this is personal opinion, but it feels like characters are mutually exclusive in player's lists unless they want to reenact a specific battle from the lore, which I'm betting is the minority. Most players don't want a third of their points taken up by the whole avengers crew, they just take their praetor +1 character and that's it. And there's the whole lore contrivance thing of "you're telling me Abaddon, Maloghurst, Little Horus, and the true sons guy were all in the same battle?

>>96539168
Weren't DG all in on the plague and mutation and literally crawling up the walls like spiders by the end of the heresy? Seems like a big departure from "I can fire my autocannon slightly better if I walk slowly". I wonder if a legion wide 6+ FNP would be too busted?

>>96539170
Lovely bases. Might want to take a pic with better focus because right now it's hard to read themodels properly

>>96539170
Those look really good

>>96539187
i dunno, all their stuff is sort of centric about fucked aspects of movement anyhow lmao
you definitely have the angle about how to do it. it's not nothing. they're some further increment of magnitude totally fucked out in the convergence with nurgle relative to a bog-ass line marine in being effectively pseudozombie transhuman technoalchemical homunculi.
they're also all basically tripping their balls off or so i think the picture is painted as a further consequence of all of this so i'd also like there to be a minor malus of some kind to play with for texture alongside as well
things could be made to do up some sorcerer cadre thing for the TS as well concerning some early puppetting around of brothers slipping away idk how appropriate that would be though i only know that they're kangz and one dude had his helmet punched in by a bunch of giddy eaters scavenging over tizca
tr8r dg were basically (early) plague marines on reaching terra to the last or so it seems

>>96539170
Looks good. Wish I could see better past the blur.

>>96539220
Somethi f like armywide 6+ FNP, and a prime to make a unit more plague-y. Myabe make them immune to poisoned? Then again True Believers could also represent the full nurgly marines, so the prime could instead be "give every model in the unit poison grenades" or "regen 1d3 wounds per turn"

>>96538117
one of the countless centurions an army needs nowadays.

>>96539242
No list should need more than 1

Ligma brothers, post your tiny minis \o/

I really need an airbrush.

would it be legal to take a praetor and a delegatus and then two officer cadre apex detachments with the new framework?

>no 30k game experience
>been sitting on both AoD and Saturnine boxes, plus decision paralysis on legions

Fuck it, I attempted to make lists in trying to use the bulk of their contents and decide on a legion (and also drive model acquisition some more), not the most creative seeing Cataphractii + Spartan from the former naturally leads into an obligatory deathstar when less turns doesn't help, but whatever. There are many things I'm not sure on and both likely have gaping holes somewhere, things are a bit funky because I'm trying to use both dreads, and it will ultimately be legion one or the other; may I get some feedback?

>AL, wanted to do more seekers and maybe a Saboteur, but detachment spaghetti got me into doing a jump champ
https://pastebin.com/EGQBdJTB
>IW, trying to use metal boxes and eggs
https://pastebin.com/0kMxKsPa

>>96539244
yeah, but I need one with a sword, one with a hammer. then one with a sword and one with a hammer on jetbike, one with a sword and hammer with a jump pack. etc

If I want to run multiple flyers in my list, do I roll for each of them each turn? Or are aerial reserves once per turn?

>>96539192
>>96539197
>>96539223

Thanks, I hope this is a clearer picture.

>>96539268
>rosen ritter SA
Based

>>96539271
yes

>>96539323
From the blurry picture I thought you were using really thick paints and splotching on random bits of green, but this looks a lot better. Some areas are a bit rough, like the chest area on the right guy, and not a fan of the edge highlights on the pouches, but otherwise great

>>96539316
Please tell me you're not taking powersword centurions

>>96539308
AL list looks fine, consider taking nuncio voxes on the tacs. Keep in mind power swords are never worth it, if you want AP3 at initiative you take a single lightning claw which costs the same and is objectively better. Your IW list has terrible detachment usage, you use your apex det for a single war engine slot and then prime in a retinue slot? Why not use the retinue apex which gives you a prime on the dominators, and use LB for the war engine? And why are you making the saturnines expendable? Also, for the saturnine i strongly advice to use different weapons, though if you're limited to what comes in the box then you don't really have a choice

>>96539323
clear and very nice.

>>96539363
you tell me.

>>96538820
Fuck I'm a retard that thought the primarch bonus was the prime advantage they got.

>>96539363
nb2

>>96539384
Terranic Greatswords are one thing, but >>96539242 doesn't look like a DA to me

>>96539363
nb1

>>96539388
Swords are cool, fag

>>96539363
nb3 in terminator armour.

>>96539387
>>96539390
>Polish
>Dark Angels
Based

nb4

on jetbike

Post Paladins

onb6 squished between a champion and a primus medicae (once a normal apothecary).

>>96539403
very nice.

>>96537947 (OP)

>TQ

>>96539382
The one thing about both lists I was wondering, AL more specifically - was in regards to whether to take lascannon Predators or Rapiers. The costs are the same with two teams of two carriers on the latter, but I imagine it's very much give & take for either solution.

>Why not use the retinue apex which gives you a prime on the dominators, and use LB for the war engine?
IW list was probably me just getting lost with the system a bit, but as far as New Recruit goes, supposedly LB is only relevant once per detachment (ie no double-upping on it with the primary)? If that limitation is a real thing, then with Apex Retinue there's still 2x LB, and without Hammer of Olympia I'd have to figure where either the Saturnine Terminators or the Spartan are going, or ditch the former and do something else. Without a champ like the other list, it's not exactly the most elegant. God I wish Heavy Support was 2x walkers.
>And why are you making the saturnines expendable?
Admittedly this was an oversight.
>Also, for the saturnine i strongly advice to use different weapons, though if you're limited to what comes in the box then you don't really have a choice
The dreadnought? Yeah, stuck until GW releases new guns, at least they seem to be magnetizable.

>>96539479
GW has already released new guns
>Rapiers vs Preds
For AL I'd go Rapiers, for IW I'd go preds. This is because legion trait affects rapiers but not vehicles. Either way it's a matter of taste really

>>96539538
That makes sense to me. In any case I'll probably lean towards doing AL for now if I can't find a way to immediately vindicate the Saturnine termies, which might involve taking out the Vindicator for another character, dunno what. Guess we'll also have to see if the command squad rules for them are any good later.

Fluffy as it is, guess I'll ditch the Banestrike combi-bolter on the AL Praetor and a power maul somewhere for 2x Nuncio-voxes in the meantime.

modified maschinen krieger hardsuit-looking tactical marines !
just a few though, one each for a couple of squads and one with a missile launcher for appending to a veteran group with two of said weapons
heavily rebuilt line troopers if asked, and besides that, lots of resemblance in archetype to the likes of the marauder suits in some earlier starship troopers renditions! very much its own flavor and a good bit more brutal tho.
this is a seriously gnarly direction of design

>>96539632
Maybe for SA or Militia, or even Mech. Doesn't feel like it fits marines

>>96539187
No only after the journey to the Seige of Terra did they get plagued

>>96539644
i'm thinking maybe up the alley of, but only a little ways, effectively thallaxized marine casualties on the more grievous end. somewhere between that and a dreadnought or maybe what a saturnine suit might be, but provisioned just to the extent of a standard set of power armour
my dudes very much got the opportunity to go on their very own little bender in direction for a good while during the civil war with some gr8 frens to help them along,,,,
this would be an expression of their goddamn fucking loathing to accept a casualty or cast aside any remotely salvageable asset in the gamut of accumulated experience against their ilk and otherwise circumvent the need to replace a marine in some instances amidst their warpath
>no my nigga u don't get the emperor's mercy we're done with that shit
just absolutely filthy eaters btw. high on their own farts and basically prancing around like ultramarines in attempted vague motif before finding a proverbial windshield to splat against

>>96539754
In a world od clone armies, dead marines being turned in to jumper cable started "not servitors", "Thalax marines" don't sound much out of place.

heck some forces used alien parts sometimes for new recruits. or implanted mutants without being BAs.

ded gaem

Are the special rules given by the Tercios and Command squads worth it over just having Tactical Command and a bunch of auxiliary slots?

>>96538192
>>96538197
>steed of slaanesh workout goals

Now that the dust has settled, do you play 3.0.

>>96539754
I want to play loyalist world eaters in the white and blue.
>Guys can we fight on your side?
>Our dad is so fucking depressing, you guys...and Kharne is just as bad these days...
>Guys, please, we'll just pretend we're white scars and fight with you guys, okay?

>>96540391
I play t because that's all anyone plays at my LGS. If I had friends who played 2.0, or these 2.5 offshoots I've seen, I'd play that with them.

Anyone in Michigan?

>>96540391
Once or twice a week. There's also an escalation campaign started with quite a lot of people participating. HH is positively booming over here.

Any anons in the godforsaken wasteland of Edmonton, Canada?
My nogamesness can't be allowed to continue.

>>96540391
I play it, it's overall the edition I have the least gripes with after playing it and the one my playgroup is sticking with.

>>96540391
No.
My group is sticking with 1.0 and 2.0.

>>96540411
Genuine question: what is it about 2.0 that you like so much?

I've played all three edition, and 2.0 is easily my least favourite. There just didn't seem any reason to try anything else than dreadnoughts, thunder hammers, scorpius, and the other meta picks, because of how much more efficient those were than anything else. Plus rules that felt like exploits, like brutal and sniper being guaranteed.
Yes 1.0 had issues too, but at least there were multiple variations of cheese you could bring.

>>96539403
God DAMN that is cool. proont body or just shaved down primaris?

>>96538117
sorting and checking over the lucius that just arrived. very excited to get one, and famous last words but it does seem like it'll be relatively easy to clean up and assemble even if it isnt a fast process.

>>96540391
I'd rather die.

SURELY this week is forges of Saturn right

>>96540391
No.

>>96540493
Good luck, Anon

>>96540463
Based

>>96540475
NTA, but just houserule stuff for 1.0 or 2.0, it is not hard. My groups fixes are like one paragraph.

I particularly liked Movement characteristics, the USR's having variation like "Rule (X)" was good, and my friends and I liked Surge moves (We had been wanting such a thing for at least a decade).

It just needed a 2.5 tweaking for things like Brutal and to have units and wargear brought in from 1.0 and whatnot. But they didn't do that and now we're here in trashland. I've played Heresy since the black books and there's always issues, but this new edition is a soulless pile of shit.

>>96540475
NTA, but 2.0 still feels like Heresy, and 3.0 doesn't.
There are a lot of problems with the rules it balance and support wise, but at it's core there was the makings of a good edition, and it still mostly played like 3rd-7th ed 40k.
3.0 has "less problems", but it doesn't feel like 30k. It plays more like a later edition on 40k and quite frankly they took the most retarded approaches to fix the problems with 2.0, which ultimately make the edition even more unwieldy and awkward IMO. It's also an edition well and truly built on GW lies and bullshit, more than even 2.0.
But 1.0 is still the undisputed best edition.

>>96540475
3.0 threw the baby out with the bathwater. We replaced balance issues with an overhauled ruleset that has significantly cut away the customization options that made for interesting and fluffy lists like Rites of War or whole swathes of wargear. If I wanted to play a Warhammer game that was more boring in an effort to be more balanced, I would play 10e.

>>96540567
>Two lines about how 2.0 isn't that hard to fix, only one line about things liked
That's some minor details to like.

>>96540584
>>96540606
The question was what you liked about 2.0, not how much you hate 3.0

It's so annoying that every time I try to ask people what it was about 2.0 that they liked so much, they always start talking about the glaring issues that need fixing and/or how much they hate the newest edition. Like and hate whatever you want, but it doesn't exactly make 2.0 look any better. Guess I'll just never get a proper answer.

>>96540655
Nta but I thinks reactions were a cool thing to add to the game. Added a new tactical layer with baiting out reactions and saving them up for key units. They were overtuned, sure, but everyone having access to the same ones except for the single unique one each faction got made it so there wasnt the same kind of feel bad gotchas stratagems of 40k, while still keeping you way more involved in your opponents turn.
I think balance was better than in 1.0, despite how much anons bitch about dreads, lascannons and thunderhammers.
I really liked some of the missions.

>>96540709
>I think balance was better than in 1.0,
Then you'd be a filthy fucking liar, the gaps between haves and have nots was way bigger in 2.0 and it was way harder to narrow that gap because the bitch baby devs were so scawed of space marines dying in the space marine game and crippled shooting

>>96540709
Reactions are way better implemented in 3.0]
>Each unit can react once per turn instead of phase
>Slightly lower amount of reaction points
>No pinning units during reactions
>Intercept fired as snap shots, except for specific circumstances
>No endless free Intercept with augury scanners and helical targeting arrays
Lascannon HSS getting up to 3 shooting phases in the enemy turn was just not okay.

>>96540567
I wonder if anyone houserule the removal of reactions?

>>96540782
I am surprised that we are getting the fellblade so early.

>>96540782
The mkII ass squad is the only thing that I care about, 3.0 is dead to me

>>96540782
I was right

>>96540655
I'm not writing multiple paragraphs of things I like to convince you of something I don't care that you're convinced of. Fuck off faggot.

>>96540790
Yes. Plenty of folks. You can just say "Hey I don't want to play with reactions this game."

>>96540567
>My groups fixes are like one paragraph.
Tell me your group only plays the upper tier legions without telling me your group only plays the upper tier legions, lol.
Specially non-marine armies were abysmal in 2.0, Mechanicum, Daemons and Custodes were basically mono-build armies, whilst SA and Militia were basically non-functional as standalone armies. Played against the latter two as marines with 400-500 points less and still steamrolled them.

Or are you one of those freaks who thinks SA and Militia should never be allowed to win against marines in the game, because they get BTFO by marines in the lore a lot.

>>96540825
I'm been thinking about it lately, seems like an easy fix especially for 2.0

>>96540816
You don't need to convince me of anything, you only need to give a quick rundown of the 2.0 aspects that you like. But you're clearly not capable of that.
2.0 players sound a lot like people in toxic relationships, it's always 'Well if you look past all the issues it isn't all that bad, honest!'

>>96540829
Sisters of Silence peaked in 2.0 with their list and got so robbed in 3.0

>>96540829
I dunno what top tier legions you're talking about. Most of us have multiple different legions and no one uses overtuned things or spams meta stuff. 3 of my group including me play mechanicum, 2 of us play daemons, 2 of us play SA.

I don't think you know jackshit about what you're talking about, so how about you shut the fuck up?

>>96540851
NTA, but if 2.0 is toxic then 3.0 is straight up abusive relationship where the game designers hold off on things or removes them. It's like being in a relationship and suddenly your gf refuses to cook for you when she did before.

>>96540851
Black text all your posts, nobody needs to see your retarded bullshit. Fuck off back to r*ddit.

>>96540391

Yeah, I am loving having actual unit diversity in my Mech lists. Can't really speak to Marines, my Death Guard allied det is still on the sprue, but I'm looking forward to the combination of 3.0 reactions + DG legion rule letting me do proper mechanised infantry hopping in and out of transports with multimeltas and other heavy weapons. It's nice to have transports that aren't just one-way cruise stages for melee units.

>>96540606
Hear hear

Augur CnC: sneed em or chuck em?

>>96540926
chuck em

>>96540926

I would like the idea of Marine Forward Observers more if they a) had an orbital strike and b) didn't have silly Bane helmets and universally identical servo-skulls, although it's easier to fix the latter. My ideal C2 unit is basically Lotara Sarin, it's a shame she's locked to Traitor WE Primary and there's no generic master of the fleet type thing.

>>96540782
Ok, this all but confirms my theory that the Breachers are being saved for the Zone Mortalis in December.

WOOOOOOO

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qnxe95ul/sunday-preview-super-heavy-metal-in-the-age-of-darkness/

>>96540965
I think you mean November 43rd

>>96541014
oh my fucking god they really didn't fix the cadslop heavy bolters on the fellblade

>>96541014
Finally.

>>96541014
>Discover the origins of the distinctive Saturnine-pattern Terminator armour and Dreadnought in the next Journal Tactica, The Forges of Saturn. This 48-page supplement reveals the early use of Saturnine technology in the Great Crusade and Vulkan’s later efforts to revitalise the designs, including how each of the other 17 Legions reacted to the Primarch’s gift before Horus began his fateful rebellion.

>Alongside the new and expanded lore, this book contains rules for three new units – equipping Centurions and Command Squads in Saturnine armour and giving the Word Bearers a unique daemon-infused Terminator unit – and a new Prosperine arcana for the Thousand Sons. It also includes a new Legendary Mission depicting the Salamanders’ assault on the Death Guard’s fortified positions during the Dropsite Massacre, and three new asymmetric Onslaught Missions that task players with attacking their opponent’s defensive lines.*

Dunno why I thought there would be more Saturnine variants in there than just the WB one. The TS arcana might be cool, I guess.

>>96541051
They still need to fill another 10+ of these books

Do we know what sorta discount the combo boxes are looking like yet

>>96541127
>>96540782

>>96540391
nah the fuck ups on GWs end killed it out of the gate in my local scene, the saturnine boxes piled in the store has actully pissed everyone off so there's no chance we'll get any new blood into it and everyone with armies wants to stay with 2.0 though lately we've encouraged a ton to get on board with 4th edition 40k which is actually a lot more interesting than heresy ever was in terms of wargaming and fits any era.

>>96540782
Is this in euro or Dollar

>>96541129
Oh thanks
Was kinda hoping for spearhead pricing but I guess being the same as combat patrol makes sense

>>96541184
Combat patrols are 170USD so I think it's in dollars

>>96540770
Now we have meltagun VHSS potentially getting 3 shooting phases in their turn (shoot volley gun them down) and three in the enemy's (return fire volley gun them down). But it requires the enemy losing combat twice and being a retard. But most players are retards.

>>96541200
I think someone should post European prices then.

>>96541209
go and look up one of the new space marine combat patrols on the EU site

>>96541042
Fuck them world eaters

Curious what the fellblade sprues are gonna look like, no way it ends up having 11 like the baneblade and I'd bet money on it having a massive hole on the bottom

>>96541242
Whatever it is it's gotta be swappable for a glaive so the turret and demolisher will be a separate sprue.

XXthbros, what units are you stealing in 3.0?

>>96541014
>Iron Warriors on the cover art
>equipping Centurions and Command Squads in Saturnine armour and giving the Word Bearers a unique daemon-infused Terminator unit – and a new Prosperine arcana for the Thousand Sons

Are they trolling us?

>>96541307
they only have two studio saturnine dreads

>>96538117
Raven chud

>>96541307
What saturnine unit could they do for Iron Warriors without a new sprue? They want people to have to convert to make these units, but not so hard a saw has to get involved. It has to be something simple, so no slapping a leviathan stormcannon onto a saturnine terminator.
Maybe a double-disintegrators unit?

>>96541437
Double Disintegrators could be cool.

>>96541307
They're the poster traitors for this edition.

>>96540782
i was honestly expecting those combat forces to be more expensive, the thallax on the mechanicum box are basically free right?

>>96541437
>>96541462
You can already run double disintegrators
Maybe something with knight gatlings? Because then consoomers have to buy 3 expensive kits to make it.

>>96541288
Mhara ghal, tyrant Termies (I know they're bad and I don't care), any of the jumppack melee units (dawn breakers, ashen circle).
Lots of tasty options and now that lerneans are amazing you don't need to default to it being a melee unit anymore.

>>96541523
>tyrant Termies (I know they're bad and I don't care)
Me explaining to my group why I'm still running them.

Would you accept running indomitus as cataphractii command squads because they're "artificer indomitus"?

I can't get over how dogshit the new Fellblade Demolisher cannon looks, it's completely baffling.
It also means the gun has absolutely no traverse unlike the old one, adding on to the stupid doors and retarded bolters.

>>96541774
no, but Indomitus as Tartaros should be ok, IMO

>>96541794
The derpy bolters aside I think it's pretty.

>>96541794
Holy shit anon, you are 100% right, it is fucking awful.

>>96541797
What's your reasoning there? i figured it'd e easier to justify them as "tougher and heavier indomitus" then "lighter indomitus" considering how the models look

>>96541794
only the price matters

>>96541794
In looks it's a complete downgrade. This ability to turn everything the new sculptors touch to shit should be studied at the MIT.

>>96541794
>demolisher can't move sideways
>HBs can't move up and down

>>96541872
It's not about the size, but the design

>>96541872
>What's your reasoning there?
From Book 1 to LAAoDAL there was only Terminator Armour and Cataphractii Terminator Armour. Meaning Indomitus and Tartaros (and Saturnine) used the same rules.

>>96541523
>>96541578
I know they're bad and I do care :'(
>>96541051
>>96541437
Gimme double twin autocannon Saturnines mwahaha.
I wonder what other legions would want their own saturnine variants to be like

>>96537947 (OP)
Is it wrong to think of horus heresy as akin to the prequel era in star wars?

>>96542115
Yes

>>96542108
>What I hope: SW Saturnine with twin-frost claws.
>What I expect: SW Saturnine with a giant two-handed frost axe that's barely better than a Great Frost Blade.
>What I fear: SW Saturnine with two helfrost cannons.

>>96542108
Double C-Beam for AL could be pretty awesome.
AL is all about being very mindful of positioning so having a unit that plays into that would be baller

>>96540770
Intercept was fine. The problem was augury scanners (got changed) and Lascannons (got nerfed). Now more things are a reaction, and at the same time reactions are hard to get. You need to jump through two hoops to get the 4 you used to get before.
A unit can still intercept, return fire then overwatch, right? The thing is you just can't afford it anymore. Call that balance lmao

>>96541505
They could have different rules, like mandatory double disintegrators, guaranteed explosion, and expendable.

>>96542225
No, they can't, because a unit can't react more than once per turn

>>96542217
Myrmidon Destroyers are already so envious of Lernean's (single) C beam cannon lol, as they are forced to go with multiple, lighter C-Beamers

>>96542226
>Expendable Saturnine terminator armour
John French and its consequences have been a disaster for the Iron Warriors legion.

>>96542033
Regular terminator armor could sweep, and was represented in 30k by tartaros

>>96542108
>DA
Knightly Saturnine with a big sword, or Dreadwing Saturnine with plasma heavy flamers
>EC
Lascannons like a big Sunkiller
>IW
Autocannons or shrapnel heavy bolters
>WS
Some "old hero" type setup where they're too old/woudned to ride bikes
>SW
Axe and Shield like their boxnaught
>IF
Heavy Bolters or some kind of assault cannon setup, or maybe a fuckhueg shield
>NL
Big Contekar, or maybe claws
>BA
Err... jump pack? Maybe teleportation like GK?
>IH
Grav guns, or maybe a giga-techmarine
>WE
Literally red butchers but bigger
>Ultras
Standard terminator loadout (so combi bolter+fist, but upscaled) with a big banner on the back that buffs morale of all units in LoS
>DG
Either cancer flamers or beeg deathshroud/gravewardens with a significantly better death cloud projector
>TS
I mean, psykers, but maybe dual force blades? Or force weapon + asphyx boltgun?
>SoH
Huge power mauls to ape horus, and somethign like heavy banestrike shotguns on the other hand. Think the ultimate deepstrike bomb
>WB
possessed
>Sallies
two pyroclast guns
>RG
massive anti-materiel rifles or fas redeploy teleporters
>AL
Carry some sort of stealth field on their back that makes a shrouded bubble

>Want to use my 3x Saturnine with double bombard
>My list is at exactly 3000 points and I can't decide what to cut
God damn it.

>>96542266
>>IH
>Grav guns, or maybe a giga-techmarine
Actually an option for an Iron-Father in Saturnine TDA seems like an obvious thing that should exist. Literally no good reason why it shouldn't.

>>96542256
What you been smoking you silly cunt?

>>96538117
A couple of transfers, a few more rivets dotted and I will be happy with these.
I just found another resin one unbuilt and I'm going to kill myself.

>>96542302
he's thinking of 40k, where it could Sweep to further distinguish it from regular Terminators which cost the same but had access to asscans, cyclones, thunder hammers and storm shields instead of plasma blasters, reapers, chargers and grenade harnesses

>>96541288

Seconding >>96541523 with the Mhara Gal, its just a solid block of stats and needs no real support.

I think taking legion-specific terminators can still have legs, but they have to be capable of specific things that Lernaeans aren't rather than just being better punchy guys, because Lerns are just great even when built relatively cheap. I'm personally fond of Crimson Paladins, since they are essentially melee Lernaeans - they have the same Line 1, they deep strike so they don't need a transport, they have a heavy ranged weapon and they're hard as nails with their FNP and EW1 shields, although sadly two of them in a squad of five are stuck with shitty power swords and they don't have BA Impact (S). Huscarls are a more expensive version of the same thing, just termies that punch extra hard and come with EW/Deep Strike.

I also don't think there's anything wrong with Sunkillers, since they appreciate the AL legion rule and otherwise they're just more killy HSS marines.

>>96542481
>where it could Sweep
Tartaros existed in 40k as just an alternative model for terminators without the ability to sweep right up until the plastic kit was given token rules. And after a while it got rolled in with cataphractii as relic terminators, both having normal terminator stats along with indomitus. And when tartaros could sweep in 40k, it most certainly wasn't "regular terminator armour".

>>96541797
This is the correct take

>>96542266
>NL
given the size/weight/vague psychich involvement (and apparently bullshit manufacturing lol) i imagine they would be sort of undesirable in general
at the same time it would be a nice mannequin to do the whole skin sewing boogeyman thing with

>>96540391
With a white scar all mounted army? Not really, Did the play 10 games to see if you like it thing. Decided that a fully mounted army in 3ed is borderline unfun to play, and I am not in to playing infantry and tanks, so until a rule set drop that makes mounted armies fun, I am sitting 3ed out.

>>96542480
I've never understood how people just "lose" and "find' whole kits, like, do you just dump stuff willy nilly after you buy them? How hard is to have a shelf with the shit you haven't assemble yet on it?

>>96542577
I was sent a box with lots of random HH mechanicum units and had not spotted a small bag at the bottom with another castellax in it.
It's been in a cupboard for half a year.

>>96540655
>The question was what you liked about 2.0, not how much you hate 3.0

In 2.0 my army could score. It wasn't "the best", but it was fun to play with and the way I wish I could play my dudes in w40k.
I liked the fact, that I could give me heroes weapons that matched the force theme. I was thinking for a second about buying land speeders to make it more optimal, I did cave in and bought a Space Mongolian King on Jetbike for my force. 3.0 kind of a did away with all the things I liked in the game, cost me losing models and made my army borderline unfun to play. Is that enough reason to not like 3ed? And I am still better off then two of my friends, as post PDF I can make a legal army. They can't build their FoA and Armour Company armies work with or without the legacy PDF.

>>96542266
I can see it; teleport in, obliterate artillery/convoy/etc. survive return fire, teleport out.

>>96542577
Prep models to build them in early August. Sister visits with her kids. Mom tells me to go buy potatoes, ice cream for the kids and the real thing she wants aka smokes. Come back. I find out that my nephews cut off the barrels of auto cannons that were on the sprues, some they just broke off. After asking them what they did find out, that after they did it they were scared what would happen so they threw away the parts and, as it was recycling day, mom sent my father to throw out all plastics. So now I have 4 potential auto canon and 6 destroyed ones.
I had friends whose mothers and wifes threw out their "bags of plastic left overs". Destroyed models while cleaning, which then they masked with throwing them out, because "he has so many he is not going to notice" etc.

>>96542698
And this is why as an adult my game room and study both have locks on the doors. Children are fucking daemons, I still remember being scolded as a lad for getting angry at the shitstain younger neighbour kid who went into my room(our mums were friends) and destroyed the Lego pirate ship kit I'd just spent weeks building with my grandad. Wasn't even an accident, the little fuck smashed it deliberately "cus it was silly", but I was the bad guy because apparently it's too much to expect parents to have managed to instill "don't destroy other people's property" by six fucking years old.

>>96542526
when Tartaros could sweep in 40k it was already established not to do so in 30k

I'm not making claims here, I'm just reporting facts: he's mistaken one set of rules for another set of rules within the same game system and different settings

Iron Hands Khorne Traitors

Every time Gulliman’s personal quarters get described in novels it reminds me of the meme of the dude’s apartment with two pieces of furniture in a big empty living room.

>>96542972
He exists.
>IH captured and conscripted into WE
>mogs their whole legion by being a more competent fuckpissangry daddy issues boy than them

>>96542972
They actually get a pretty big Slaneesh corruption later down the line, due to all the supressed emotions

>>96543084
Kino
>>96543112
Yeah I remember him, he kinda inspired my idea but like a whole clan company falling to Khorne from their rage and what not. I like the idea in the post above yours of feeding (sacrificing) loyalists to their machines, but the idea kinda stems from the more “war” aspect of Khorne. Maybe these guys can be from Clan Ayreas from the LI Schism of Mars book.

>>96543135
Really? Where can I read more about this?
>>96543147
lol beautiful

Wait, AL trait is ALL MODELS, not just non-vehicles?

>>96543197

Look slightly higher, anon, it specifies "all models with the Alpha Legion Trait (excluding models with the Vehicle Type".

>>96543161
8e? I think it's the Clan Raukaan splat

>>96543212
oh damn, you're right

>>96543231
Amazing thanks!

>>96543231
Clan Raukaan was either 6e or 7e, they stopped doing those splats for random companies in 8th because they had new slop to sell space marine players

Loyalist AL decide to liquidate some of the nastier NL elements by running them into combat and stunlocking anyone they aren't currently fighting.
https://pastebin.com/HmLRUp3A

How does navigation work in 30k without the Astronomican?

>>96543453
You’ll never guess what existed in 30k too

>>96543453
The Emperor doesn't power the Astronomicon, it's existed since the Great Crusade

>>96543469
He does actually, but before the damage Magnus caused and Horus blowing out the Emperor's back he could power it remotely.

Continuing my work on the Hound, making a gross little face.

Post your WIPs fellas

>>96543112
>hundred regiments
dude isn't that like a hundred thousand guys? How is he not a demon prince for that?

>>96543611
Khârn is supposedly the top lad and he's not a daemon prince.

>>96543112
>Iron Hands make the best World Eaters.
How does the XII cope?

>>96543619
Pretty sure the only reason the first captains aren't daemon princess by now are the gods fucking with them. That, and they're probably more useful mortal with their own ambitions than becoming sockpuppets of the gods.

>>96541794
The more I look at it the more certain issues stick out at me. The stowage boxes are way high, the right cupola has a more defined silo that looks odd. I actually like the demolisher cannon's definition even if it has no left/right traverse but the black on the main gun's depression is a crime.
And naturally the heavy bolters are stupid but I don't care about the doors. If anything that one of the door opens into incoming fire to act like a shield is a bonus.

>>96543631

Maybe it aims the demolisher cannon the same way the swedish S-Tanks did?

>>96543630
>more useful mortal
Mainly this. Daemon Princes suffer the same drawbacks as regular daemons when it comes to manifesting themselves in the material universe. Or well, they used to, no idea if that bit of lore still holds up in the modern 40k shitshow.

>>96543631
The demolisher cannon on the old fellblade model also had no real left/right traverse capability. People whining about it are nomodel secondaries.

the loyalty just oozes/spatters off it

>>96543635
Moving the tank to the left or the right a bit is enough probably. A demolisher cannon would have such a large explosion a few degrees of traverse wouldn't make much of a difference
>>96543648
surely it wouldn't have anyway because it'd either be turning into the track assembly or the driver's position

>>96543648
That's blatantly incorrect, it was a ball joint on the resin model. The fact it clearly has no traverse sucks because it helps disrupt suspension of belief - is the fucking whole vehicle rotating on the spot to be able to aim the Demolisher cannon?
I've assembled two of those resin bricks, I'm not talking out of my ass when I'm saying I find the old design much better.

>>96543630
Isn't Typhus a DP? Or fused with one? Something along those lines. He's certainly no mortal

Behold, TRUE POWER

>>96543630
For Ahriman I think Tzeentch wants to fuck him over after he fixes his rubric which was probably a pretty big setback for it.
Lucius is more like a windup toy than anything.
Typhus would probably lose clout with the Death Guard if he got turned into a demon prince proper, but he's already a sockpuppet for the destroyer virus so why mess that up
Kharn is fine.

>>96541523
>any of the jumppack melee units
Why? With jump pack veterans and command squads half those units are now just worse versions of them

>>96543704
same energy

>>96543704
Their duel would be legendary

>>96543704
This is what the sponsons on the mastodon feel like

>>96543686
>is the fucking whole vehicle rotating on the spot to be able to aim the Demolisher cannon?
To play the devil's advocate, but that has been a thing in real life. S-tank has the gun fixed to the hull with aiming done by rotating the tank and tilting it up and down via hydraulic suspension. M3 Lee had a pair of .30 caliber machine guns next to the driver that he could control the elevation of, but to aim them side to side, he had to turn the tank. Of course this was terrible and the guns were axed, but the mounts of them were left behind (usually welded shut).

Maybe the new Fellblade is Lucius pattern? The FW Lucius pattern Baneblade also had a similar style demolisher with no obvious way to traverse it.

>>96543731
Most of the HH tanks have no way of traversing their hull guns left to right. Especially the bigger ones. This is nothing new

>>96543720
their duel would probably be pretty short.

>>96543686
The sides of the ball joint don't have enough clearance to allow the demolisher to swivel to the sides. Trust me, I've played around with the physical model.

>>96543735
Vehicles where there's only really one big gun (Dracosan, various tank hunters) it doesn't really matter, since turning the tank wouldn't screw with other guns. For example, on the M3 the driver turning left and right to spray some infantry with machine guns would fuck over the 75mm and 37mm guns, as they'd have to constantly correct their aim.

>>96543765
A demolisher cannon is very short ranged compared to the fellblade cannon though. If its being used to do something other than clear the path it could be used as the primary weapon, and its fire rate is going to be quite low so its use isn't going to be as disruptive.

Angron has always felt like the main character of the Heresy to me

>>96543882
I mean it is called the Angron Apostasy after all

>>96543895
Sauron, the Lord of the Rings, isn't the main character of Lord of the Rings

>>96543717
The two I'm looking at are ashen circle and dawnbreakers, and neither are easily replicable (ashen circle's amazing shooting + panicmaxxing, dawnbreakers are just because they're cool)

>play more 1e
>build a kinda fluffy armored assault army around my falchion with land raiders and termis
>give my buddy heads up because the super heavy has a D weapon
>he basically brings the same army
>I set up the terrain but he says he wants more ruins in his deployment zone which I say would be a bad idea but let him
>I get first turn and bravely sacrifice my rhinos and tacticals to roadbump his fire drakes
>falchion whiffs against the land raiders and does a hullpoint
>he glances out one of my rhinos and the tacs hop out closer to the arcus while the wreckage blocks his moves
>falchion is still rolling like shit
>combi melta termis jump out of the LR and get three explode results on the pred squadron
>arcus gets charges by 10 angry tactical marines which shove krak grenades up its tailpipe and glance it out with four lucky 6s
>buddy just calls it there bc his transports are all blocked in by the ruins he placed and my rhinos and a lot of his anti-tank is gone
we played a second game after since this one was so disastrous

>>96543704
I'll raise you

>take moritat (we've decided that removing bitter duty was retarded and gave it back)
>Put him an ashen circle unit.

You're probably killing a twenty man tac squad just from volley fire (assuming five hits per template, not hard against a twenty man squad when your guys have jump packs) and don't even need to charge afterwards, meaning you can wait to be charged and just volley fire again, basically shooting five times per round without even using a reaction.

>>96543951
oops forgot to crop

>>96543951
When shit goes so badly wrong like that my opponents and I like to imagine what's going on with the unit.
Like the falcion's commander is reading a magazine and the gunner is trying to light a cigar off the heat sinks

>>96543979
>dreadnought with an iron circle shield
I wanted to do that. Except the other arm is the leviathan's melta lance on a contemptor dreadnought.

The Mortarion Meltdown
The Konrad Curze Crashout
The Perturabo Perturbation
The Fulgrim Freakout
The Magnus Misfortune
The Lorgar Lollapalooza
The Alpharius-Omegon Aaaaahhh Ohmahgod

>second game
>buddy retooled his army and took a bunch of dreads instead of tacticals
>play the deliverance mission from black book 3 but fluff it to be night lords cutting down a retreating salamanders force
>basically goal is loyalists extract after d3 turns (noted secretly by the traitor) after the loyalist rolls below the turn number on a d6 at the start of each turn
>loyalist is saturation bombing the exfil zone but the s8 ap3 barrages don't hurt the termis or vehicles
>both sides get VP for killing a unit, loyalists get bonus for each unit they can extract in the middle 24" square and traitors get a bonus for each unit wiped in melee
>wanted to change terrain but buddy insisted it was fine
>much of same happened, my rhinos move to jam up his lanes of movement
>his boxnaughts are all loaded for close combat so they struggle to get into anything before getting shot with lascannons
>falchion rolls cripples a leviathan and evaporates a contemptor in one blast
>his pyroclasts get baited by tacticals and also gets obliterated by the volcano cannon
>land raiders block off his fire drakes which don't see combat after whiffing multiple charges
I'm pretty sure the terrain was just kinda awful for both our armies but traitors had enough garbage to make it worse for the sallies

The Lion Lamentation
The Khan Kerfuffle
The Russ Rebellion
The Dorn Disaster
The Sanguinus Schism
The Ferrus Forsakening
The Roboute Rejection
The Vulkan Vindication
The Corax Coup

>>96543951
>>96544092
Best edition btw

>>96543985
since we were doing some istvaan fluffed missions, I just chocked it down to the crew not properly calibrating the volcano cannon to pierce space marine armor since it would've been the first time they've needed to

>>96544095
I wonder how far Corax would get if he was at the helm
Did any of his brothers like him enough to join

>>96544092
that leviathan's pose, lmao

>>96544104
Every edition is bad when you play like a retard either bad terrain placement. Just ask youtubers!

>>96544145
don't look at the contemptor

>>96544092
The board terrain doesn’t look organic. Props to the game but try a late out that makes sense. Like a ramp that runs right into a building doesn’t make sense.

>>96544209
I said in the post those ruins were added by my buddy after I set up the table
so no they were not placed their organically

>>96544092
>>96543951
Falchion is pretty brutal in 1.0 in a standard sized game, unless your opponent has hefty AT desu.

Not your fault since your opponent was warned, but if hes not that good at the game (or just lacks the units) thats probably hard to deal with desu.

Lovely looking army though

Tigrus > Phobos > Godwyn >>> Umbra Ferrox >>>>>> the trash heap (primaris) >>>>>>>>>>>> umbra

>>96544411
Correct

>>96544118
I think Corax just had got dealt a bad hand. He was the last to be found, he had military experience but unlike Dorn, Khan, Fulgrim, or Lion it was almost entirely opposed to the precepts of Space Marine warfare, and he had hubris/pride/inferiority complex that led to fuckups.

>>96538117
Did up a 2.0 moritat for my buddy. I was tryimg to stick a sheathed sword on but it didn't work out

>>96544582
Is that supposed to be a combi-volkite?

>>96544591
No, a bolter. 2 pistols, and a bolter.

>>96540655
I liked how fast the game was, I liked rites of war, I liked the missions, I liked Siege of Cthonia as a whole thing, I liked how I could bring multiple tanks or dreads in one FoC, I liked how pinning got spread to different weapons, I LOVED Fury and Heart of the Legion, I liked how all my special units played (Immortals, Templars, Crimson Paladins, I even liked Gorgons), I liked charging out of deep strike, I liked the addition of reactions, I liked the warlord traits for my legions, I liked a lot of stuff. Pic related, my last 2.0 HQ I built. I have a whole RG army I’m doing up for 2.0.

>>96541132
I've been looking into 40k 3rd ed personally

Seems like GW is slowly realizing the primaris aesthetic was a mistake and is trying to bring back classic marine looks

>>96544710
They aren't doing a very good job because that's all obvious mk10slop
Only the helmets, axes, maybe the champ blades, and some shoulder pads are halal

>>96544710
Nobody cares.

>>96544732
Aside from the kneepads and shoes, You could easily pass this for a 30k model. Maybe the powerpack looks obvious from the back, but not form this angle. Of course, there's a big fuckin' aquila on the chest, but that's been established as a loyalist symbol even before Mk7 so...

>>96544710
That's still modified Mk X

>>96544745
>Aside from the kneepads and shoes
And the power pack and gutplate and the vambraces
Stop being a faggot

>>96544745
>You could easily pass this for a 30k model
And you can say that a can of coke is a contemptor dreadnought.

>>96544765
the proper term is "Cantemptor". Land speeders started off as shampoo bottles, didn't they?

Honest question for you guys.
Once you've collected enough stuff to have a 3,000 point list, do you put anything new you pick up to a new Legion, or do you collect stuff to use as different list options?

>>96544826
that's entirely up to you. Do you want more flexibility for your legion? Do you collect them to play with or becaue you like the legion itself? Do you enjoy painting them?

>>96544826
I just collect the models I want

>>96544826
An army isn't finished until you can run at least 3 distinct playstyles with no overlap.

>>96544888
>An army isn't finished
ftfy

>>96544897
Come on man, I haven't added to my dusk raiders since April, I'm clean now...I really don't need to add those 10 rhinos so every unit in the army has a canonical transport, when would I ever even use 16 rhinos

>>96544948
>not using a wall of rhinos to fuck LoS and movement routes
NGMI

>>96544710
Chapter-specific designs seem to be getting more SM style back in, but the latest BA ones are still mostly a miss and the vehicle range still has ugly experimental stuff. Not big on how MkX looks in general, but a helmet swap does a lot.

>>96544948
Ah, but have you decorated the inside of your rhinos like some demented camper? If not you'll have to get at least one to do so.

>>96544858
Yeah, I was just asking because I'm getting close to being done painting everything and I sat here for a while planning out lists for other Legions and eventually realized I'd rather just be buying these units to have as options for my Iron Warriors.
>>96544888
Hmm, I like that idea.

>>96544591
>>96544612
>Moritat with 2 pistols, a bolter on one wrist and a grenade launcher on the other
Fund it

>>96544703
>I liked how fast the game was,
huh?

>>96545042
IW has the blessing/curse of having a generic trait that doesn't benefit anything in particular, so you can run almost anything to "maximum effectiveness". It's not like the melee legions where taking ranged units feels bad, IW get a small bump across the board. Probably one of the better legions for just buying one of everything

>>96539258

Working on my Sax infantry.

>>96541794
wish the combat force box had mk2 instead of mk6 marines. I want a Leviathan and another Rhino, but I don't want more beakies

>>96545423
mk6 have been out of stock for a while. If they replaced the leviathan with a uh....anything fucking else like maybe a predator I would pick two of the boxes up

>>96545429

I'm tempted to pick it up and see if I can trade the Leviathan for something more useful, since the DG allied det I'm pondering needs about twenty marines, a rhino and a Land Raider, so aside from the big dread this is about perfect if I can get myself a pile of multimeltas from somewhere. Unfortunately I expect Leviathans to not be in high demand for a good while.

>>96545423
Looking forward to getting one or two of those boxes for double duty in starting HH and using them in current and older editions of 40k as my long ago established Raven Guard successor chapter that was a HH era Legion chapter.. Also in Grimdark Future. Should be fun painting them up just like my old 3-7th marines and newer Primaris stuff.

>>96545423
But Mk6 is the objectively coolest mark

>>96545497
it's cool, but I already have a lot of them

>>96545497
Everyone has upwards of 30 of the fuckers from 2.0. The point isn't preference, it's variety.

>>96542798
Game room? Friend I am a 47 adult working on what was once my parents farm, and now is my farm. I am lucky to have a table of my own, till my parents die.

>>96537983
RIP you and your rules.

>>96544959
I understand , I don't know where to put even the regular rhino sized stuff anymore. And I have a cupboard full of 6 printed rhinos and 3 predators still to assemble. The flats here are just too small to hold a HH collection. Can't even keep them in my bed, because it is already full of all my books, comics etc.

>>96544710
Wake me up when 40k resets back to a 3rd-5th and brings back Mark VII as the standard armour.

>>96546089
Was honestly expecting it to be at least 200, considering the kratos is already around a 100

>>96546089
Kratos and the Spartain variants are already expensive as fuck so I don't know what you expect

>>96546089
uff that starter box. If it costs 135 euros now, soon it will be 150 plus.

>>96537947 (OP)
Unironic question, what would a tricked out bolt pistol have? More in the vein of Solid Snake's 1911 than the whole 40k "this gun shoots better because it was made with hate and blessed by the Gods/Emperor/Primarch"

>>96546089
Baneblade is 150, but it also comes with all the shadowsword stuff. Doubt Fellblade comes with Falchion bits. Then again, remember that these two pic related kits cost the same.

>>96546194
Stompa might be the most SOVLFUL kit still in production

Do we know what options Forges of Saturn will add to Saturnine Termies aside from the retinue datasheets? I sure would like some melee options.

>>96546366
The command squad terminators can take the axe or mace from the praetor

>>96546366
There's no new options for saturnine termies, there's just a new command squad entry and a WB specific unit

>>96546403
Also a centurion in saturnine armour

>>96546366
If you wanna use the units from the tactica journals you better start learning how to do kitbashing and conversions, you mindless paypig.

>>96546432
bot reply

>>96546432
I'm fine with doing conversions you retard, I want to convert my Saturnine into a melee unit and have rules to support it. Please consult an elementary school teacher on how best to improve your terrible reading comprehension.

maybe I should get a fellblade....paint it as alpha legion....

>>96546519
As wrecked terrain?

>>96546535
Alpharius in disguise

>>96546535
I will also be buying deimos rhino doors and scrounging my bitz box for a spare AL head to put on it

>>96545319
Nice!

>>96543631
what is the issue with no depression? It's a fuckheug cannon you wouldn't want to fire anywhere near the tank and the length of the front hull means it couldn't fire hull up anyway. The only scenario it would be useful is if the turret were rotated 90 degrees and the tank was on a cliff or wall but the depression is still minimal.

>>96546872
>Tell me you haven't played world of tanks without telling me you haven't played world of tanks

>>96546936
You mean the game that regularly has military documents leaked on its forums because the tanks aren't accurate enough? That one?

>>96547025
No, I'm pretty sure that one is warthunder

>>96547025
That's war thunder. For some reason he decided to reference world of tanks, which is the arcadey one notorious for having premium ammo.

>>96547038
>>96547125
Oh so he didn't even reference the right vidya game.

>>96547125
>>96547148
The fuck does that have to do with gun depression?
Warthunder is even more realistic than WoT so I can only imagine it matters even more

>>96547148
It comes up in both games, and world of tanks blitz has warhammer crossover content.

Buy Fellblades.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/budnjlac/fellblades-roll-out-five-tanks-in-five-legion-schemes/

>>96547280
I will. Have put together a resin land raider explorator, two predators, a rhino, and a sicaran. And will never assemble a resin tank model again if I can help it.

>>96546872
Without gun depression the only way you can hit stuff at a lower elevation than you is by counting on projectile drop.
However this is not exactly convenient for one, and for two the Fellblade has an accelerator autocannon (which I assume means it uses railgun tech) so the trajectory would be super flat, as represented by its 100" range, which would make this even shittier to try an pull off.
It's really stupid to have blocked that off and just adds on more stupid shit to an already impractical design.

>>96547280
Sorry GW, but as sexy as big word bearers tanks look with all the scriptures I'm going for a knight acheron as the superheavy centerpiece this time

>>96546872
>what is the issue with no depression?
>Oh no, a light, upwards slop!
>My minimum targeting distance is now 8.7Km!

I was thinking about a potential WE Satty
>base profile unchanged
>get "paired saturnine disruption fists" with +2A and firing protocols 2
>come stock with 2 particle shredders which can be swapped for 1 or 2 plasma blasters

>>96547280
The demolisher canon looks pretty dumb
There was no need to fit a whole ass Karl-Gerät in there

>>96547280
How much will the Spartan price increase after they repackage it with the quad HB and laser destroyer array sponson sprues? And why can't we have quad HB Prometheus(/Tartarus)?! Even as a Proteus variant. FW kept teasing us for years and the fat man cucked us. He cucked us right up the asstardes!

Has there been any more new about the assymetric mission they talked about where one side has a super-heavy and the other needs to kill it/survive?
Feels like it would make sense to release it with the Fellblade but haven't seen any news about it since it was teased.

>>96547304
Sir please do not give a land raider access to 3 split firing status weapons at full ballistic skill, the twin heavy flamer is scary enough

>>96547294
>>96547298

Why are we arguing design realism?
Are we to also believe that bolters can somehow carry 30 .75 caliber rounds in such a small magazine?
Or how most imperial vehicle armor is pathetically thin compared to modern armor?
Do we also want to talk about the ammunition and cannons that the imperium uses as well?
Suspend your disbelief whenever you talk about Warhammer design, anons.

>>96543631
>the main gun's depression is a crime.
It's possible the model has limited depression so that you can't accidentally model it pointing down, if you want to leave it able to move, it won't droop down over time, or something similar.
>>96546936
It's good to remember than in real life gun depression isn't that huge of an issue. It's good to have some, but a tank with less depression isn't automatically worse than a tank with more depression. Unlike in a video game, in real life you can do a lot of things to work around poor depression.

>>96547347
In a video game you can do a lot to work around bad gun depression. But instances where gun depression has a major impact on the outcome of an engagement do happen.

>>96547332
>Are we to also believe that bolters can somehow carry 30 .75 caliber rounds in such a small magazine?
Depends on the magazine. Also, a lot of bolter magazines are pretty fat, so they could easily be quad-stacked.
>Or how most imperial vehicle armor is pathetically thin compared to modern armor?
Only if you do a lot of mental gymnastics and assumptions, rather than just taking the numbers as physical thickness, which is actually verified, for example, in the Land Raider stats.
>disbelief
Yes, lets talk about how dragons make people unable to lose weight.

>>96547364
>In a video game you can do a lot to work around bad gun depression.
In a video game the games are set on the same maps with similar vehicles over and over again. People figure out where the best spots are and often terrain features can be exaggerated. You're also lacking a lot of the other elements that go into combat, it's not just tonks on tonks.
>But instances where gun depression has a major impact on the outcome of an engagement do happen.
Individual incidents can happen all the time. Question is, is it big enough issue to warrant a full redesign?

>>96547332
Its completely believable that imperial armor is dogshit since everything appears to be solid plates that are riveted together. Even if the material is better than RHA the level of protection would be bad compared to composite armor.

>twenty eight saturnines
>*velcro/SLA noises*
thank you elegoo

>>96547383
>Depends on the magazine
No, it seems pretty unlikely you can fit the ammo in that.
>Only if you do a lot of mental gymnastics and assumption
Or you can see that British people designed these specifications and they're completely retarded. There is no mental gymnastics needed here. Hell, if we look at the Leman Russ's cannon supposedly being 120mm, we know realism doesn't come in first place when people design these models.
Which is fine, I think the Fellblade is a nice model and I mainly believe >>96547347 's assumption being that its so that barrel doesn't droop when you put it together. I just find it silly people argue about a table top model's gun depression when there's a lot of things about other in-universe specifications that are silly.

>>96545844
i feel like this gives you carte blanche to just beat your nephews, it would build character coming from you

What do you think about chain bayonets?

>>96547280
Mlem

>>96547486
They are cool but there's no reason to take them unless youre trying to have tacs melee thallax or something.

>pintle mount
nice
>barrel seam
cringe

>>96547332
Because there is a minimum threshold before things start to look incredibly retarded and with the old fellblade being better designed the threshold gets taller. They made it more retarded.

>>96547432
>solid plates that are riveted together
So's marine armour and don't see a lot of people saying they're walking death traps.
>compared to composite armor.
But their armour is composite. Plasteel and ceramite, sometimes some adamantium.

>>96547545
Once you see the bolters you can't really unsee them can you?

>>96547589
Nope. It's very upsetting I was gonna use those.

>>96547580
So the old fellblade was only barely tolerable. got it.

>>96542480
Family Photo

>>96547589
One could theoretically say it wraps around the lower bolter? Like a U shape feeding from inside the tank
It's incredibly retarded for sure but I'm assuming that's what they were going with.

>>96547545
>unfinished cadslop interfering geometry QHBs committed to a machined injection mold
i think its been downhill for james for a long, long while now

>>96547545
>barrel seam
Realistic.

>>96547610
>I'm assuming that's what they were going with.
I'm assuming the designer made a heavy bolter, mirrored it, then copy-pasted a second pair above the first one and that was it.

>>96547608
Yes.

>>96547608
Old Fellblade was towing the line and then got downgraded for modeling ease reasons (which is imo the worst reason to downgrade a model.)
Every time I'll look at a plastic Fellblade I'll notice that block and think "oh yeah this is a model tank made to be easier to assemble for retards" and not "Woah a Fellblade tank is bearing down on my infantry it's over, I need to reposition my predator squadron"

>>96547642
Toeing FFS, phoneposting will be the death of me.

>>96547642
Pretty much this.

>>96547585
>So's marine armour and don't see a lot of people saying they're walking death traps.
Not at all relevant to vehicle construction. The problem with riveting is that its structurally weak and the rivets tend to fly off. Power armor isnt a structural component of a space marine.
>But their armour is composite. Plasteel and ceramite, sometimes some adamantium.
Not what is being talked about. You can see from the design of marine vehicles that they don't have large composite armor arrays, because there are no such arrays present on the models.

>>96547791
>there are no such arrays present on the models
how exactly do you want them to model this in a plasti/resin model kit?

>>96547791
>Not at all relevant to vehicle construction. The problem with riveting is that its structurally weak and the rivets tend to fly off. Power armor isnt a structural component of a space marine.
Yes, a power armour breaking and having pieces of it fly off inside it poses no risk to the user, unlike tank armour.
>You can see from the design of marine vehicles that they don't have large composite armor arrays, because there are no such arrays present on the models.
How are these arrays present on historical model kits?

>>96547294
somehow I don't think the fellblade is built to go hull down

In the lore, Gorgon terminator armor "required bonding to its wearer", does this mean that you can never take it off?

>>96548047
No they mean like forming an emotional bond

>>96548047
Gorgons are like big daddies, the suit becomes them

>>96547492
Hot. Damn I love the weathering on some of these too. I like the designs of the resin and plastic ones. I'm almost tempted to get a resin one but after the nightmare that was my Falchion I think I'll take the plastic kit.

would you?

>>96548399
I saw this on facebook. On the one hand, I enjoy and encourage creativity. On the other, this model makes me angry for some reason.

>>96547280
As much as I hate the new fellblade I've got to admit I really love the way they painted them up.

>>96548399
>One use Jumpacks to throw Termies at something I don't like alongside my Flying Dreadnought
Yes Please!

>>96548399
Pick it up?

>>96547642
>>96547608
>>96547637
I really dont understand the hate for the old felblade. This thing was fine to deal with.

>>96548574
No it was not, WTF are you on about, the fellblade is up there with the storm eagle and mastodon in most nightmarish kits to build.

>>96548701
Yeah im saying i dont understand that. It was not that hard to build.

>>96547905
I mean people used riveted metal personal armor for centuries and some of them even got shot with firearms, but I've never even heard of someone being injured by a popped rivet even though that must have happened frequently. Presumably at the level of personal weapons ane armor there just is not enough energy involved, probably the armor plates are not rigid enough either.

>>96548747
We used to rivet ships too and started welding them mainly because it was faster and cheaper. So do tanks just fall into some magical sweet spot where rivets are bad while personal body armour and ships are ok to have them?

>>96548047
Yup

>>96547486
A literal waste of points.

>>96540391
Macca the outer circle, grumz and asmongold said 3.0 is woke so I won't be playing it.

>>96548971
>asmongold
What?

>>96547280
>want to but fellblade
>already working on typhon tank and 30 mark 2 marines.
>feel like getting a fellblade will be too much armor for the amount of infantry I have.

>>96547294
the resin fellblade didn't have that much more traverse, if any

why are we having this conversation now

>>96548823
Possibly. Rivets flying around inside warships is a documented occurrence, but ships are also less cramped and have redundant crew, so one rivet with the energy of a .45 flying around cant kill 25% or more of the crew. Tanks combine highly confined spaces, small crews, and high energy impacts so the power and effect is pretty much maximized.

>>96548971
Anyone who forms opinions on a tabletop game not based on experience is a fucking idiot. Anyone who listens to youtube retards are doubly so.

>>96548971
If you can get asmongold to make a 30k video I'll eat my hat.

>>96537947 (OP)
Nu-scouts with 30k era lightning claws should work for these fine, right? They're in scale with the new Mk2/Mk3/Mk6 and don't have any of the primaris design language anywhere, I think.

>>96549065
look at the black templar neophites

>>96549129
I actually have some, which is why I was considering it

>>96549022
I think the hypothetical worst vehicle to use riveted construction would be robot operated by a brain floating in a jar of fluid.

>>96549065
Yeah they should be (I mean they're easier to convert that a full sniper scout squad now).
Just shave the Aquila off their chests.

>>96549142
>Just shave the Aquila off their chests.
I *think* they're all winged skulls, which for loyalists is okay iirc

>>96548823
>We used to rivet ships too and started welding them mainly because it was faster and cheaper.
It was weight. Welding on an armored ship gives a weight reduction between 10-15%, which means more tonnage can be allocated to armor/engines/weapons etc

>>96549140
the votan power packs also fit them really well... not exactly period accurate, but it bulks them up if you like 'em thicc

>>96548747
You don't wear plate armour against your skin or light clothing. You have layers of stuff behind it to catch any pieces that might break off. Marines get shot with future heavy weapons and wear the armour naked.

>>96543486
He directs the Astronomicon, he doesn't power it, at least most of the time. It's powered by a psychic choir.

>>96549163
That too, but early welding technology was also expensive and time consuming on such scale, so you have to ask yourself if that 15% weight reduction is worth the extra time and cost to produce and maintain.

>>96549215
>Marines get shot with future heavy weapons and wear the armour naked.
There's an undersuit that's easier to see on certain marks

>>96548971
> Avatar fagging frog poster gets his opinions from slop tubers
Yikes

>>96546173
Hand-crafted gas system which minimises recoil, self-lubricating and cleaning mechanisms for extended battlefield use, piezoelectric molecular bonding in the grip activated by squeezing so it's impossible to drop the gun accidentally, high quality internal cogitator datalinked to the armor servo system automatically compensating for movement, electric ammo feed that clears obstructions more reliably, internal gyroscope for stabilisation, multi ammo feed letting the user select between ammo types in a single multi stacked magazine Lawgiver style, small power weapon blade for melee, extremely rapid burst fire mode where three rounds exit the barrel before it raises at all, suit-linked beamriding seeker ammo that can be directed with the shooter's gaze.

>>96549245
That's MkX nuslop. We have plenty of art from RT to modern day showing Marines being suited up and there's no undersuit. The rubber parts are just joints connecting the armour pieces.

>>96549321
You can't even fit a human being in that suit, the hip joints make no sense

>>96548047
no it just means that you needed bionic enhancements to wear it because it leaked radiation which would kill an unenhanced marine. They could take it off but they are like 70% robotic underneath.

>>96544705
yeah I definitely get the love for the codexes though they are mostly compatible with 4th ed so it doesn't have to be a choice.

>>96549321
There are absolutely pictures of marines with black undersuits on, it's just retards thought that was the black carapace for a long ass time until GW showed naked marines in color.

>>96549065
>They're in scale with the new Mk2/Mk3/Mk6
No, they are not?
They are stupid big in comparison

>>96549411
They're the same height, the tallest scout on one foot barely comes above a Mk6 in a power squat stance

30k scouts are full grown marines too, they shouldn't be smaller

>>96549391
>There are absolutely pictures of marines with black undersuits on
Do post them.
>it's just retards thought that was the black carapace
Yes, why would anyone think the dark part on a marine's torso with plugs would be the Black Carapace, a black plastic film implanted under the marine's skin with plugs cut into it? Also, why is it only on the torso and why isn't it ribbed?

Okay, but what if there was a LI scale tank skirmish game?

>>96549484
>Okay, but what if there was a LI scale tank skirmish game?
You mean. LI? or you basically just want titanicaus with LI scale tanks?

>>96549447
>Half a head taller
>When the feet are already significantly lower than than the mkVI's
>They're the same height

>>96549484
Isn't that the whole point of LI?

>>96549503
>you basically just want titanicaus with LI scale tanks?
Pretty much. Fewer tanks, more detail, tank oriented mechanics.

>People condoning pr*maris scouts for HH
/hhg/ isn't what it used to be. We have failed our job as gatekeepers.

>>96549666
What do you suggest?

>>96549666
Sorry, this is a model having, game playing general now.

>>96549673
>>96549673
>>96549673