Thread 96559985

Can't hold all these tanks edition

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>Thread Question:
Can vehicles like the Fellblade and its variants be addedly freely to lists, or should it be discussed with an opponent prior?

>>96559985 (OP)

>TQ

Aren't they too big for 28mm tables anyway?

>>96559989
Blade variants aren't insanely big, only slightly larger than a Spartan.
>TQ
Baneblades have been reduced to the level of commonality in 40k anyway, so Fellbades aren't a massive jump. I would personally be slightly mad seeing one though, in the same way you might get annoyed by seeing surprise enemy knights on the board.

>>96559985 (OP)
If you're playing a full-sized game (i.e., 3k+ points) then it's totally fair game. If you're playing a smaller-scale game, it's a bit of a dick move to bring them. Especially in like the 1.5k points level.

>>96559985 (OP)
one ought to, when and if possible, find a happy medium on both sides as to what an opponent would like to face off against and what you would like to field and vice versa
a very heavy unit like that warrants some consenting agreement and the other's having an answer to it for its fielding i would say but the bigger the points values on either side the more it's made less consequential

Thoughts on my Death Guard Siege Breaker lads?
I got 3 Age of Darkness boxes and enjoy converting the Preator models to be other consuls.

>>96559985 (OP)

>Can vehicles like the Fellblade and its variants be addedly freely to lists, or should it be discussed with an opponent prior?

Freely. There's too much of a "You have to run lists I like!" attitude in the HH community.

>>96560045
To continue my thought here, it's like bringing a Primarch. If you can bring your Primarch, I can bring my Fellblade.

>>96560072

But I want to bring my primarch. I don't want you to bring your Fellblade.

>>96560062
badass

So, where do regular Land Raiders fit into Heresy lists?

>>96560152
With 5 terminators and 1-2 characters inside

>>96560159
Are there any good incentives for running MSU on Terminators this edition?

>>96560152
when you want to ferry ten or five dudes around and have something of a serious battle tank to use in support of them and the wider fight at play as opposed to a mere rhino
>>96560159
the added cost and resilience and potency definitely lend them well to provisioning around an embedded character for sure

>>96560062
>the plume on the helmet looks like individual strands
Those grizzled gauntlets. The proportionally oversized gun on the hip. Even the tasteful chainmail drip. Sexy.

>>96560064
Shouldn't you be off gluing together some transparent acrylic L shapes for your next store tournament you disgusting tourneyfaggot?

>>96559985 (OP)
>Latin writing on the model
Sick of it lads; I want some one to write on their tank: "KING CUNT" or "QUEEN BITCH"

>>96560164
Well, the obvious one is slot efficiency. There's also some weirdness due to Vanguard being a stupidly designed rule. Since you only get the points if you rout or kill the last model, that means you want another unit to deal 90% of the damage and then the terminators lovetap the last guy to score vanguard. So 5 are more than enough for that. Of course then you coudl argue that you should take 10 instead and bulldoze the full HP squad, but then you risk falling short, etc. There's no objectively correct answer. Terminators are so hard to kill that most things not specifically designed to kill them will just automatically lose even against an MSU squad, so again bigger squads might be overkill. And there's also the fact that Spartans are dogshit, but MSU can ride in Land raiders which are a tad better

>>96560176

It's the tourneyfaggots who whine about it. Why should "the narrative" prevent me from running a felblade? The only people who care are the kind of people who want to rules-lawyer all the fun out of the game in favor of balance.

>>96560164
MSU terminators with power weapons and some combi-weapons are pretty cheap and seem like pretty decent anti MEQ
I don't think I'd put them on a land raider tho, that makes them way too expensive for that role

>>96560225
Yeah, I imagine just taking footslogging Tartaros would be better at that point. The heavy weapon variant sounds interesting to run.

>>96560178
Would probably be in character if someone was doing a faux-Rogue Trader aesthetic.

it is possible to buff/upgrade Dreads?

>>96560260
Yes, IH prime lets you take a champion dread. I think cybertheurgy works on them too

>>96560260
Unless you take a Legion Mortificator for Contemptor talons, it's either Iron Hands or character dreadnoughts in some other legions. Nothing like a general Venerable upgrade, which makes me think they'll bring those back with a future softcover. Haven't looked into how Librarians can buff them.

>>96560260
I think if you have allied mecanicum you can use cybertheurgy to buff them with +1BS/WS, +1S/T or +1M

>>96560215
this, literally the ONLY tank WE are ever associated with are fellblades so if I take one why is it suddenly waacfaggotry? Also it can be played arond by almost any force if they play for objectives, slay the warlord etc making it an overcosted block that at best can deny one objective.

Played 2k last night
WE vs RG
Search & destroy deploment, Take & hold mission.

My RG drop pod Tacts never turned up (ended the game at end of turn 3)
My fire raptor showed up once :D and lost 5 of itd 6 HP to intercept
My deredeo did nothing all game.

My laser destoryers ended a land raider and a twin claw leviathan in two turns back to back which saved me.

Ended up 12-14 for a RG win.

The core book missions eat ass, defo time for some homebrew/created ones. Also I hate how medium blocks LoS makes city fight boards impossbile nowadays which is shit because they are cool.

Did manage a baldy off challenge

My vigilator also Crit headshot the Centurion Champion out of his unit (he has done this 3 games in a row vs different people. I love him)

TQ: Lord of War or primarch always gets discussed first, imo.
You're both there to have fun, so you want things to be pretty sorted out.

So I have an idea for a tri colour demon army.

>>96560005
> 40k does it so it's fine
How about fuck off back to 40gay then faggot.
Super heavies look like shit in a standard game.

>>96560387
>>96560389
Looked fully painted BUT the RG isn't based? And the craters aren't painted?
Fucking FAILURE

>>96560387
People need to stop making big areas medium.

Seperate them out.

>>96560707
Honestly, of all the issues 3e has, the terrain rules are genuinely the worst.

I would seriously recommend just houseruling it/using older terrain rules. Absolutely no one I have talked to likes them.

>>96560741
Well yeah, stripped to the bone so they can sell you a cityfight journal.

Fprhwtting of course that 3rd ed 40k had perfectly functional terrain rules and sold the cityfight book.

>>96560176
>Fellblade
>Tourneyfag
Nogames lmao

>>96560741
People are being too smooth brained about the terrain rules in 3.0. The whole point of them is being modular so you can easily create functional terrain rules that suit your taste.
Don't like the empty area between two ruins also blocking LOS? Say only the ruins and ground inside its confines are area terrain, and the empty space between light area terrain.
Don't like infantry running through walls? Say the walls are impassable terrain.
Don't like that models behind barricades can't be seen? Say that rather than terrain pieces barricades are area terrain and models touching it with their base count as inside it.

People seriously need to be more flexible with how they approach the 3.0 terrain rules, this is advice given in the book. Our group has been using the rules to customise how terrain pieces work to our liking, and it's been great. Basically no house rules required, only proper allocation of which piece of terrain gets which rules.

>>96560372
Why are there so many WE fellblades anyways? Is it a lore thing?

>>96560893
It's because angron is always shit so you always had a healthy 25% to spend on a superheavy

>>96560953
Has angron ever been bad?

>>96560882
You're just describing older terrain rules, only having to essentially ignore the actual rules in the book for houserules.

The rules in the book are essentially just 6+ cover, or los blocking shit.
The rules aren't flexible or smart, they're just shutty. But good terrain rules are easy for anyone to figure out, I just don't know why GW fucked them up so bad.

eater fellblades are great
but falchions are what's up

Has anyone seen/got examples of using Legions Imperialis minis on individual bases to play regular Heresy?

>>96559985 (OP)
>tq
The only thing I say is 'I'm bringing tanks, make sure you have anti-tank' and I don't think much more needs to be said than that.
I do think it also needs to be said if you're brining a titan, because even a warhound is kind of impossible to kill for pretty much any typical list.

>>96559985 (OP)
>TQ
this isn't 40k, no one is going to throw a fit bc you brought a FW model.
LoW are usually worse than the same points of normal tanks anyways and there's much easier ways to be a dickhead with normal units than with the units that restrict 25% of your points into 1 target

>>96559985 (OP)
>Thread Question:
>Can vehicles like the Fellblade and its variants be addedly freely to lists, or should it be discussed with an opponent prior?
In 1.0 definitely, but there's no need for it in the other editions.

>>96560062
Silly Anon. Siege breakers can't have shields or power fists anymore

>>96561100
>ME OWN FOOKIN SON PLAYING 3.0

>>96561100
>Siege breakers can't have shields
Yeah, if you're one of the gay legions

>>96561133
>all those purity seal
>big aquila on a non EC model
You can't use that model it doesn't match the tone of 30k!!!

>>96560893
not a 'specific' lore thing but it's the only tank they are really described as using throughout all of the novels and the scheme was a 'poster' scheme for the model on FW. I guess it just seems like an aggressive tank for an aggressive legion but also I think it's become popular with WE players because they don't invest much in armour due to the playstyle, so they might as well get one big swiss army knife tank to handle it and spend the rest on melee troops.

>>96561153
>Purity seals
Oaths of moment
>Aquilla
Not the Palatine aquila so it's not only allowed but literally everywhere

>>96559985 (OP)
What’s with this edition and people criticizing it just not reading the rules or books. I was just smugly told that the terminator melee weapons list doesn’t exist anywhere in the books. If you don’t like 3.0 fine, but atleast make sure you’re actually criticizing something that exists

>>96561184
You'd be surprised how few people can read. They all get their opinions from the internet.

>>96561203
Thank you Gene Wolfe and Vance for un mind raping me I guess lmao

>>96561159
The fuck you talking about cletus?

World eaters are explicitly described as being good at srmpured warfare in the black books. Even ferrus manus specifically approves of them.

And rules wise they had a huge schick of getting predator spam in their rite of war, which was pretty brokenly strong.

>>96561235
fucking holy shit fast attack predators are rad and really the only appropriate thing to comprise such a force's flavor up that alley
how dare you speak of it in past tense

>>96561431
you have my most absolute thanks fuck yes

SIX!?

FUCKING SIX!?

oh yes!

>>96561431
Much appreciated anon

>>96561431
>60ppm
>only 10 points weapons
Huh
I mean I'm glad they're good and actually pretty customizable but GW are you high

these guys are fucking busted and it's awesome

>>96561431

Hot damn, those are meaner than I expected even for that price tag. Going to have to point the Krios Venators at those, I think, and at that cost they can fairly easily afford to show up with a Primus Medicae.

>>96561431
>paired option with more attacks
Sounds like lighting claws to me!

aww yeah
room for one with twin clawbs
holy shit (!!!)

>>96561431
It's here...the thunder hammer raper...

holy shit

w h o a !!!

>>96561431
>No double shredder/plasma blaster option
We were this close to greatness

>>96561431
>saturnine teleport synchronizer
GW you silly nards
Anon, any chance you've got the phraetus conclave rules

The time of the thunder hammer terminators is over.
The era of saturnine command squads has come!

>>96561431
oh, come on
Double fist is legal but no double shredder?
Why

>>96561495
two unblemished fists/claws are too fucking cool to sully with any appended guns that'd impinge on their being hefted around
fucking hoh man damn

>>96561431
>2 man command squad
that's so weird

>>96561456
>but GW are you high
Typical GW strategy for selling new kits.

>>96561510
guardian of the left and guardian of the right bro
so fucking cool
y'know what'd be rad?
that shape, two of them, attached to a power armoured commander
fuck

>>96561502
The age of the trucknutz, perhaps.

>>96561519
That's a pretty hilarious way to make a power armour character T6

>>96561531
bros are there to keep their bulk between him and harm yo
oh man oh man oh man
love saturnines (of all shapes) to death to begin with, this is crazy
gonna have thirty one of the fuckers including the praetor's suit jesus shit

>>96561431
Surprised the one Anon who decided to pre-emptively convert didn't get fucked
Also lmao because last(?) thread I suggested WE satties with paired disruption fists

>>96561456
>>96561518
You can't build them vanilla without stealing arms from the praetor

>>>96561519
Give one of them the hammer and standard and the other twin claws

>>96561555
going for the praetor with a blasterfist and hammer, two fellow hammerbearers, three axemen and one clawbed up bro whose fists will end in talons as opposed to blunt fingers
what a treat, the sixth model.

>>96561554
Gonna see if somebody can print the melee weapons because there's no way imma buy multiple of the saturnine praetor lmao

>>96561519

I was just thinking that, they might work better aesthetically with a much smaller HQ. Librarian with the smallest possible investment to make him Heavy, maybe? They become damn near invincible with a bit of Biomancy and their S5-6 axes and fists appreciate the strength boost too against regular terminators.

>>96561431
@GW @FBI

>>96561431
Nice
Do you have the centurion or know if there's anything interesting about it other than just the armour stats?

>>96561554
I'm indeed glad I didn't get fueled
Only problem is now I want another 3 converted to have gal vorbak claws for their twin fists lol.

>>96561431
Please post the wb unit I need it

>>96561431
How do you make a double fister, the kit only comes with left fists

>>96561625
:moyai:

>>96561625
Praetor kit lol

>>96561519

Two of those guys and a non-Bulky libby get Reaping Blow against a standard 5 cataphractii squad with hammers and strike before them, so if you charge with biomancy the average result is that you kill two of them and lose less than one model yourself on average, not counting the Librarian's attacks. That's not bad for 70-100pts less than 5 retinue TEQ with hammers, a very efficient murder configuration.

>>96561639

How anal are 30k players about base sizes?

>>96561660
me? extremely.
what's that pertinent to out of curiosity tho?

>>96561519
Time for a power armour librarian with his two goons, possibly modeled with the armour starting to mutate like an even more fucked up version of Layak and the bros.
Absolute kino

>>96560387
Where's your terrain? It's a shooting gallery. If I use pods I always include a MoD.

>>96561660
As long as it's not smaller than the "proper" size it doesn't matter because you're actively nerfing yourself in most scenarios.

>>96560882
Agreed. People are too literal with making things as basic as possible. To be fair the book tries to not influence choice by being intentionally vague but it backfired and people needed that hand holding.

>>96561666

I thought of an alternative model for a blood slaughterer and I'm not sure of its dimensions.

>>96561510
Two of them + a praetor fit inside a LR carrier, don't they?

>>96561698
well in a slicer for an SLA machine you can pretty arbitrarily scale things up or down as required for congruence with whatever for a base size you have in mind

>>96561625
The models, literally, are the Praetor kit for each guy. You could get sneaky with a spare axe or hammer if you have a spare

>>96561510
It's so that you can make a consul and 2 guys from half a terminal box and still have a min squad of termis left over.

>>96561431
>no axe and disintigrator
Lame

>>96561660
Slightly bigger is usually fine. My group grandfathered in smaller bases for units we built in 1e that are fully based and painted.

>>96561503
They can't shoot both, they don't have the targeter.

>>96561431
Anon post the wb rules and my life is yours

>>96561483
I suppose you could pretend the double fists are double claws. That guy does look monstrous

>>96561883
i would rationalize it as the talons being suitable for use on basically the same format of fist by lack of the smacking a shredder or blaster onto either one

>>96561431
Woulnd't it have made more sense to give them an axe/hammer and a heavy weapons as an option?
The fist doesn't really do anything there if you are paying for the other weapons

>>96561922
That sounds like a great reason not to have a big gun and true melee weapon actually.
And honestly, I feel like the stat boost from being a command squad matters more than the actual melee weapons, because S6 AP2 D3 is very much serviceable on its own.

>>96561922
i don't think the bulk of a mortar or twin disintegrator is very much aligned with deft use of an enormous weapon in the other hand
in fact if i'm not mistaken the GW saturnines are wielding their axes or hammers -through- their power fists with an open off-hand helping things along if you're not a chadosaurus rex praetor with one in each hand making a blender of one's self

>>96561431
>400 for 18 T6 2+/4++ wounds with 24 S6 AP2 D3 attacks (6 saturnine command with twin fists)
>vs 420 for 16 T5 2+/4++ wounds with 25 S7 AP2 D2 attacks (8 cataphractii conmand with thunder hammers)
Hmm

>>96562001

I do like the axes on a min squad, but if you have lots of them you won't get Reaping Blow and probably want to save points, so they may as well just go fists. 5pts for the AP3 flamer is a steal though, that's going on all of them.

There's a pretty hefty MSU premium on these guys, a fully equipped pair are 210-230 depending on options and that's more per model than Domitars. They seem pretty comparable to those though, and they're efficient killers in small squads.

a great day for one of the best renditions of astartes plate

>>96561431
Where do you source the right-handed fists from? The Saturnine Praetor?

>>96560882
yeah, the whole modular terrain thing only works for event orgs. Because they can say "X will work like Y" everyone else is not going to accept any set up they either don't know or punish their army or advantage their opponent.

I asked countless times for people to allow my jetbikes and bikes to score and contest ? Guess what the reaction is from people I know for over 25 years? To get a game it would take hours of arguments at the store. And you know what stores don't like ? People having arguments in them, especialy around other customers.

>>96561037
And what if your opponent says. GW removed any real form of anti tank from my army, leaving me only with multi melta, but does can't deal with your kratos and two land raiders in every lists played at the store.

>>96559985 (OP)
I would. We communicate so it's not an accidental blowout. Not because of a single fellblade but or other LoW, but in case we accidently rock paper scissors too hard.

POST THE PHRAETUS ANOINTED CONCLAVE RULES BEFORE I PISS MYSELF

>>96562264
Cav should score. With how easy it is to dump Tacs in rhinos on each objective turn one there's no way cav and bikes would be op.

I really wonder if it's an error that you can full move after disembark. I know it works as written, and see how, but I keep wondering if there was supposed to be a cutoff after placing them model.

>>96562267
That sounds more like you have an extremely retarded list than anything

>>96562352
All bike White Scar lists are lore accurate. It is having sneaky AL or melee focused WE.

>>96562380
It quite literally isn't, khan literally uses solar aux to hold ground objectives while he and his bikes race to go for the head. There's a reason your legion trait buffs the speed of everything rather than making calvary score retard.

>>96562380
Literally everything in your post is wrong because the black books go out of their way to state that the legions aren't planet of the hats and use whatever is necessary to achieve victory, so no you deserve to lose if you just spam only bikes and come up against a balanced list

>>96562252
I haven't seen any STLs for just the regular hand/arm. it's all lightning claws or hands holding hammers or axes or something

>>96562436
I don't what a "black book" is. People joined HH in 2.0 because GW removed bike armies from w40k and being told that in HH they can play a full bike/jetbike army, with maybe some speeders.

>>96562493
>I don't what a "black book" is

>>96562493
They are literally one of the best things to come out of forgeworld/GW. People can hen peck some things but the overall agreement is they are awesome. I’m trying to finish my collection.

>>96562493
You need to go back

>>96562493
>I don't what a "black book" is.
What in the actual fuck? Why are you here?

>>96562414
NTA but you could argue that any one list is a snapshot of a larger force with a specific objective. It could be a high speed interdiction force clashing with another part of a force as part of a larger battle.

Personally I like the think of my collection as a whole is my entire force and the parts that don't make it into lists are off fighting or rearming etc.

>>96562535
thats not fulgrim?

>>96562535
>loses miserably in the underground war
>runs fleeing for their life from the planet

>>96562522
Because GW REMOVED BIKE ARMIES as an option from the space marine codex. And in HH 2.0 one of the articles when the jetbikes came out said, that now you are going to be able to play a full jetbike army.

>>96562541
Sounds like the commander was a retard and a faggot for sending a solely vanguard force to hold ground then :^)

Apart from bikes, what else should go into a WS list? Assault Marines? Speeders? Fast Sicaran tanks?

>>96562557
Listen up. Do yourself a favor and get acquainted with the black books. There are 9. Remove any sense of 40k from your brain and readjust. You can have a full bike army but do yourself research. You will soon know why 1.0 was the best fluff and arguably rules wise.

>>96562579
>arguably rules wise
Extreme self policing needed for Solar Aux, IW, and Ordo Reductus.

I still have gripes about some mechanics, like how jump infantry assaulting out of storm eagles can't be real but that's minor in the grand scheme.

>>96562579
I am not intersted in a non mounted army. My people the tatar fought on horseback. My father still breeds horses for army and the border guard. I find the idea of a White Scar army consisting of 40 tacticals, 2 land raiders, a krators and terminators with rapiers thudd guns an abominations. In fact localy almost all armies localy look like this. The only difference being stuff like what type of terminators someone uses, AL using Justarians, and custodes players using zero terminators. We have exactly 0 imperial army and mechanicus armies, so I don't know how those look. I know the two demon players we had stoped playing HH.

>>96562493
>I'm just here to use my old 40k models to play games
I know you're probably shitposting, but this is why the Saturnine box filled me with dread when it got spoiled- that we're slowly moving from an actual setting with its own pseudo history to memberry slop that they just dump old models/sculpts in (like ToW essentially is) is just flat out depressing.

>>96562607
Read the black books anyway. No one said you have to have the same army as someone else. Let the books be a guiding but not definitive hand in the creation of your army. Don’t even think about adding Primaris shit either. Remember as well that legions used everything and weren’t just planet hats space marines. Sprinkle the flavor on the meat. Create a story around your models.

>>96562615
I bought 7 boxes of regular skyhunters. 12 golden keshig(I was stupid enough to buy 3 from GW) to make the units and my officers, A not khan on jet bike. the only model I used in my army that was w40k, was a Vindicator Assasin. Because as you can imagine the reaction of HH players to me using a w40k army was "fuck off".

>>96562632
That Golden Horde was mass cav. And I did want to play an army like that, but first GW killed WFB , which was the reason I started w40k. And then they promised a Kislev army, which could be made as a late XIIIth century Tatar or Mongolian army. But then they pulled out of it for some reason. After I order a whole army of "not tatar" horse archers , lancers and mounted swords man. I build 3 armies and each time GW removed the option to play a full mounted army.

>>96562607
>I am not intersted in a non mounted army
Ok... then you're going to lose some games and have to accept that, because the way you want to play is not only not how the WS actually worked from a lore perspective, it'd also be cancerous for the game if 'drive up 30" and one shot land raider turn one' was a viable strategy.
You CAN play an all cavalry army absolutely- just don't moan when you get stonewalled for it.

>>96561431
Stupid fucking forced loadouts instead of just letting me pick and choose what i want

>>96562590
If I remember it was the AP 2 blasts ya?

>>96561431
Paired fists with plasma blaster is THE KINO loadout. Followed by hammer and plasma blaster. IDGAF about what the optimal choice is. These two look the coolest. You know what I’ll lump the axe in as well. Axe and plasma blaster. Basically plasma blaster is the frame that brings it together. No I won’t elaborate.
>captcha 00kkn

>>96562900
That and other supporting rules and access to spamming lethal shit. IW pre nerf iron fire rite of war was cancer to fight. OR mech were just a leaf blower.

It's avoidable but you have to limit yourself.

THEY SENT THEM ALL TO THE SLAUGHTER
BABY MAMA NO FATHER
HE WAS HANGIN' 'ROUND THEM MURDERERS
AND THEM PROSTITUTES AND THEM ROBBERS, YEAH
THEM DOPE FIENDS AND THAT WATER, YEAH
WITH ANGEL DUST IN THEY NOSTRILS, YEAH
THEY HIT 'EM UP WITH THAT CHOPPER
SHE WAS HOLDIN' HIM
IN HER HANDS
JUST LIKE STIGMATA
YEAH

>>96563403
>shartmaris

>>96563403
wrong thread

Have the rules for the WB unit leaked yet?

>>96563518
same, as an AL player I want to see the units rules

>>96563403
This shitmaris fella looks like he broke his wrist.

Posted this a few days ago, but any advice on how I should weather this? The dark red means that a brown probably isn't good for chipping, and metallics are probably too stark against the red, and too light against the off-white.

>>96563578
sponge on a mixture of greys?

>>96561596
@grok

@gork
@mork

>>96563605
Might have to be. Worried about overdoing it. It's easy on IW tanks because they're already metal underneath, but the prospect of weathering the tank tastefully when so many of it's edges are trim and it has cleanish white panels is a bit daunting.

>>96563686
were that tank mine i would have taken the likes of a scalpel and dremel tool to it before so much as a drop of primer was laid and all the surface texture would basically do a lot of the work for me by the end
i respect your angle very much though and it's a rad vehicle and i can see how you're at a bit of an impasse in finishing it off as such given the colors to play around

different shades of grey on top of and in conjunction with each other seems a safe bet. leading edges, pertinent underside a bit otherwise. play to tastes of course.

>>96563403
The kneeeeesssss

>>96563718
Those are vents

>>96563497
Nigger half the primaris bits are pouches, holsters, knives, and little grenades that your retarded no game hobbylet ass wouldn't even be able to pick out

>>96563403
why

>>96563403
Kill yourself.

>>96563770
Those are noticeable to real marinefags unlike you, but "primaris bits" is not about that.
It's about cheap retarded and tasteless idiots trying to pass obviously anachronistic primaris parts as valid in HH minis. Like the fucking MkX body in that pic, retard

>>96563403
Diabolical.

Props for using the LOTR Galadriel mini as Cyrene, though

>>96563578
I'd say sn enamel wash like streaking grime, and then remove most of it by means of q-tip and white spirit.

Also, sponge chipping along the edges with a darker metallic will do. This can be done before your enamels.nd0g4

>>96563497
>a meme with me in it survived an edition change

Feelsgoodman

>>96563578
Black flecks with silver highlights , also love your work as always anon.

I am rushing through some of my SA right now for this weekends event and weathering is the worst part sometimes.

>>96563823
Faggot I use primaris bits, old school astartes bits, chaos marine bits, whf bits, printed bits, and even FUCKING BLOOD BOWL BITS if I think they achieve the thematic intent I want to have with my models. You're a limp dicked, pathetic hobbylet if you don't have the capacity to recognize it's all plastic and it all can be used to create specific appearances and depictions of legionaries directly described in the books.

So are Saturnine terminators just Appleseed esque cyborgs?

>>96563994
>I smear shit all over myself, you're a shitlet if you don't do the same

>>96563403
Is this that fucking kraut who got his 40k army in the 30k article in white dwarf.

>>96564049
I have models I just post them on ig and don't want you people doxxing me

>>96563994
Ye doth protest. Fuck off bitchbaby.

Speaking of Primaris bits is the arm too out of place?

>>96563994
Was the thematic intent to barely change the original model? Was this your vision?
Either you posted this as bait, in which case enjoy your (you)s, or you sincerely don't understand why people have an issue with you using a barely converted primaris captain in the Horus Heresy.
For what it's worth they're well painted, but I would hate to see the rest of your army if this is the caliber of your kitbashing.

>>96563977
It's going to be a good weekend #heresyprom

Shame I'm not running the loyalist nightlords.

>>96564093
This is fine. But if it bothers you, the tiniest bit of greenstuff will work.

>>96563403
Please tell me thats not supposed to be Argel Tal lmao

>>96563836
>LOTR Galadriel mini as Cyrene
Yeah i don't hate that.

>>96564104
It really doesn't, I think it looks cool.

>>96564096
>Was the thematic intent to barely change the original model
Do you think it is when I'm using bits from not only 40k but a plethora of games outside of 40k? Is your reading comprehension really that fucking bad, or are you just esl?

>>96564121
Get the fuck out of here faggot.

>>96564130
Post models nigger

>>96564121
Please post more conversions retard because what I'm looking at right now has had 0 effort put into making it look like anything but a primaris marine. Please enlighten me on the multitude of bits you used on this piece of shit.

>>96564134
Butthurt retard is sad because no one likes his lazy models. Kill yourself.

>No models
That's what I fucking thought.

>>96564121
Kill yourself, you're a lazy hack that couldn't even go to the trouble of trying to convert MkX into anything Heresy related.

>40k Primarias models have been dogshit in comparison to the Firstborn Models
>HH 3.0 Cuts Deep Strike at the tendons
>Sanguinius has been severely nerfed.
Why has GW decided they hate Blood Angels?

>>96564157
Don't forget how they described the death of sanguinius too, that nigga needs a break :(

>>96564137
Will post some later but yeah, just slapping paint on what's clearly a primaris model like this guy did is retarded- the argument I took issue with was the bizarre hobbylet shitposting centered around the idea that you can't use bits from ANY game if they suit your need and what you're trying to do to when you're doing actual kitbashing and proper conversions.

>>96564100
based Prom anon

>>96564166
I thought you were the other guy anon, I don't disagree with you in a vacuum. With enough effort almost any model or bit could be made to fit the Heresy. It just really pissed me off because i thought you were saying that to defend that pos model.
I look forward to seeing your conversions

>>96564172
what's that, Shin Gojira?

are knights actually viable at 3k? or do they get outscored from the top of turn 1 and just never recover?

wanting to build a list and sort of feeling like unless i have 8 armigers there's probably no chance. i got my big daddy atropos and a few questoris chassis i've been working on, might just fill it out and give that a try, but curious if any knightchads have any tips/successful lists they could share.

>>96564093
>long arm
>bolter mag has the loading bit attached to it
cursed

>>96564261
Idk about knights, but I brought a warhound against my buddy the other day because I thought it'd be funny and since his only real anti tank was a couple vindicators and a venator, he straight up had no chance killing the thing and I walked all over him for it.
Makes me wonder how the fuck you're even supposed to kill a titan in a 4 turn game- even if you kit out and bring kratos's or lascannon hss squads or whatever the fuck optimized anti tank is now, I'm not sure 3 turns (1 turn hiding behind wall in dz) is enough time to kill the thing if it's shooting you back and nuking things.

>>96564093
Is that a second knife on his hip?

>>96564338
I kept it that way, to secure the mag

>>96564362
Anon, I'm pretty sure that's before the intentional and lore accurate reaction to facing a titan, I think you need to just distract it enough so it can't do it's macro objective things while you try and actually do the mission.

>>96564362
knights and titans are nowhere near similar this edition

>>96562615
DORNTURABO

>think about buying new fellblade
>go check out my schedule for work for tomorrow
>get an 8am meeting scheduled and those meetings are only ever booked if someone on the team is getting laid off
>decide to save my money because I might need it from now on

>slower than wfg
we were truly killed by 3.0

>>96564909
me fookin' own boardmates playing 3.0

>>96564909
Hopefully 30k fags now understand the whole point of their game is to have alternative models for 40k players.

>>96564909
I don't play 3.0 so I don't know what you're on about.

>>96564983
Yeah and you sure shit up the thread even more than 3.0 players what with only talking about how you don't play it.

>>96565019
Anything I can do to help along the natural progression of hate for this new edition, I will. If you enjoy the slop, then great. I shall help shine the beacon of rage for the rest of us.

>>96565097
Post models

>>96565114
Blackshield Venator WIP

>>96565156
Very well, i got what I asked for. Started to base dry brush my new magi and not!Scoria between builds at work

>>96565220
Hell yeah. I'm also in the midst of kitbashing Dark Mech stuff. Mostly tech priests and thralls. I'm hoping those Harpax or whatever they are called get a 28mm release.

>>96563994
Every person you've ever met has thought you were a kiddie-fiddling poofter.

>>96565220
Thoughts on Scoria this edition?

>>96565220
Are thoss melee Myrmidon Destroyers or something? I reckon kitbashes are a comfy and legal part of the hobby, I just haven't seen that many. It looks interesting.

Titanicus has been played! Titanicus has had the FUCK played out of it! A 2.5k game, 1v2 Xestobiax vs Mortis and Kulisaetai tag team. After quite a nutty 4 turn game Xestobiax won by the skin of its teeth. This was for one opponent an intro game and hopefully there will be more as the fellow was great to face off against.

>>96565415
Turn 1 and 2 had some titans making advnaces. The Xestobiax warhound's only reactor roll would be a double which would cause reactor overloads it would never recover from.
Bossman's advance would strand it in front of too much dakka, the Pale King would never really be able to level the amount of dakka required to kill anyone, the middle there would see some significant action.
The knights would be shaken turn 1 by a stray quake cannon shot and they would NEVER recover from that and would be shaken and therefore static for the entire game.

>>96565432
I was quite determined to kill my opponent's favorite model but I didn't manage it. Bossmans's DakkaLord loadout is not good at taking on warlords and he would be gradually worn down.

>>96565437
Turn 2 would see Jim ripped into and have its legs shot up while the rest of the titans condensed, the knights shuffle together too scared to move, Double Dog unable to fix its reactor leak, and Laserbeak coming into range of the reaver titan there. Still quite tame mostly just plucking shields down and Jim limping away.

>>96565457
Turn 3. Jesus fucking christ. This fucking turn.
Double Dog's successive reactor leaks melt its reactor housing, killing it, causing a Wild Fire which has it shoot up Jim's already critically damaged legs killing JIm causing IT to wild fire its carapace weapon into the knights killing one of them.
So in turn 3's DAMAGE CONTROL phase TWO titans and a knight die.

>>96565473
The plus side on turn 3 is that Laserbeak manages to kill a reaver with its power fist. A charge in the movement phase deals enough damage that in the following combat phase the reaver is finished. No dramatic death it's just laid low

>>96565488
However in turn 3 Bossman is Silenced having taken a beating from both 2 warlods and a Warbringer for a couple phases. Bossman's Dakkalord loadout is not really sufficient to take on warlords as much as I'd like it to be. As much damage as it did it wasn't able to manage the engine kill.

>>96565473
>titan overclocks its reactor and dies
>while dying it magdumps everything in the nearest vicinity
>obliterates the kneecaps of a nearby friendly titan
>now THAT titan magdumps into and kills a friendly knight
>all this happened in the end phase and not even in a combat phase
how can you not fucking love titanicus

>>96565508
Turn 4 was whack. The Mortis warlord with a power fist, which had a clear run on Laserbeak Awakened its Machine Spirit which stopped its movment, but since Laserbeak had to come around a building it wasn't able to land its own charge either.
Then the warhound came around the front trying to get shots on laserbeak only for Stripes to come up behind and rip it apart while the lone knight tried to cower on the objective out of line of sight as the remaining traitors lined up to firing-line the purple motherfuckers.

>>96565524
oops missed a picture.

>>96565536
So the end comes with the remaining titans killing the last knight and trying to kill Stripes, but between me pushing my reactor into the red, various accuracy debuffs because of models, and that one gatekeeper warlord coming in too close to the reaver to use its missiles, Stripes secures the objective and my victory by virtue of one overzealous movent and some bullshit rolling. Laserbeak lived despite some catastrophic damage, and I came within some scant few dice rolls of killing one of the Mortis warlords.

Over this game I had 5s and 6s flowing form my ass whilst my opponents had to deal with far too many 1s and 2s. Sadly there's no way to really overcome the dice fucking you over and we had some lovely speculation at the end of what we could have done differently. I've had the privilege of playing with these OG epic and titanicus players lately. They're all super cool and chill and people who are in the hobby for the Hobby rather than just the Game.

Very new to the tabletop side of warhammer. The lore tells me the guys in the horus heresy era were "more advanced" but is that visible at all during gameplay, do you feel more advanced vs playing as normal 40k units?

>>96565511
Not even the end phase, Anon. The damage control phase happens after movement before the combat phase. Right after that we started beating the shit out of each other proper.
Titanicus is great because it's a fairly straight contest which a couple random-chance-mechanics that end up fucking with the outcomes where even things like a 1/6 or 1/4 chance rolls become nailbiting affairs because they can be so game changing.

>>96565415
All Hail Titanicus Anon! fucker of Mortis!!

>>96565620

It's hard to compare actual tech level these days because of how divergent 10e 40k and 3e Horus Heresy are, but Horus Heresy armies definitely feel a lot more like actual military units, even with 3e's looser listbuilding. 40k Marine armies tend to look and play like a haphazard collection of disparate units and models vaguely aimed in the same direction, since the range has so many different-looking kits in it by this point and there's very few things enforcing any kind of constent unit selection. 40k Mechanicus armies are obviously lower-tech and look completely different to the Mechanicum (and IMO much worse, but no accounting for taste). GW is also making damn sure that nearly every 40k unit is brandishing some uniquely-named adjective noun-verber gun or sword found nowhere else in their army list, whereas 30k mostly sticks with "this guy's got a power sword, that guy has a bolter".

Back when the two editions were basically similar, yeah, 30k armies had the fancy toys.

>>96565367

Not that anon, but they're packing meltaguns, grav guns and axes, so I'd imagine they're a pile of generic troop tech-priests/basic magi to be used as required. Their weapon options are a little more limited this edition, you no longer get the inferno pistol/flamer free with your machinator array and so on, so either melta or grav and then whatever invisible wargear you like covers most Magos configurations unless you also want to buy them archaeotech pistols.

>>96565862
That's kind of cool actually. But uh, 10th edition 40k and 3rd edition horus heresy? I'm going to guess that they aren't 100% compatible? lol

>>96565894

Completely incompatible. 1e HH and 7th Edition 40k were somewhat divergent in how they handled army building but you could still run an army from one in the other with a little bit of work, the mechanics worked much the same, all subsequent editions went in totally different directions since 8e was a massive simplification of the main game and 2e HH was rather less so.

>>96565894
GW has decided the way of pain.

Dead game

>>96565620
You'll see that many Heresy-era armies have way more wargear and armored options than their future counterparts had, before assorted technologies got virtually lost in the fighting. Even the emergence of Primaris Space Marines 10,000 years later, what with all their new fancy wargear - doesn't quite recreate what the Legiones Astartes used to have in their prime. Tons of weapons and armor that would be end up much more exotic, like tanks, jetbikes, dreadnought and terminator armor patterns, volkite and disintegration weapons, etc. Land Raiders used to more or less be the Space Marine superheavy in 40k (until Primaris got their own), but in 30k they had even bigger versions, some with bigass guns, and even their own answer to the goddamn Baneblade.

Lore-wise, things like Centurion warsuits would be some of the scant few rediscovered bits of technology as time progressed. CSM also don't quite have the same logistical benefits and had declining tech retention as well, but they do have chaos fuckery of course plugging the gaps between looting shit.

>>96565894
40k has changed itself up dramatically since 8th Edition, whereas the core of 30k is a modified 7th, albeit still doing its own thing somewhat with the various changes and additions. 30k also especially fulfills a niche for Space Marines who might have lackluster rules representing their chapter or legion/warband in 40k, by comparison it's a wet dream for Iron Warriors fans here.

>>96560648
Huh.
So daemons can be mixed now? That's kinda cool.
Please tell me you're deepstriking the 3 big demons as one unit for the meme turn 1 charge

How are flamers this edition lads?
Got 40 muhreenz and was gonna build a support squad of 5 flamers and 5 heavy flamers; (+5 volkites, plasma cannons & missile launchers)

>>96566678
Same issue they always have, it's hard to get into range and the enemy can just move away. But they can cause enemies to run away so that's fun. And TSS are pretty cheap this edition.
Maybe look at the veteran HSS from the legacies pdf. They get to use flamers and HF on the charge as well

>>96559985 (OP)
okay so building a mechanicum list is a bit complicated. I have the plastic archmagos model and the forgeworld magos and macrotek priest, but what other models should a HH boy use to represent more tech priests? I have a large admech army too and 40k tech priests but I really dont wanna use those

>>96564906
bro....your union?

>>96566734
40k techpriests are fine.
Cawl is the basis for many long time 30k mech players archmagos.
Kataphrons, skitari and even onagers can be made to fit into 30k, if themed appropriately.
Don't use the 40k robots.
Don't use the 2nd wave 40k stuff.

As for list building basically you need to choose what you want to focus on from tanks, robots or myrmidons, or hordes

Then go hard into 1 of those with a small.but of one of the others added to shore up weaknesses.

Generally our tanks are regarded as great.
And robots are good when they're your focus.

Myrmidons pay for the sins of 2nd, but their still a good unit for eating marines.

Shai-Hulud

>>96566801
This took so long to post that I built, sanded and primed it before it actually uploaded

>>96566722
>Marines move 7", and can disembark after the rhino moved full 12"
Is it really that hard to get in range these days? I'd be more worried about flamers being a gimmick now that bolters can shoot twice at full range.
But I think they're a good tool for melee units, like Terminators

The army building rules of this edition do not spark joy.
The satisfaction of fitting an idea within the limitations of the force org chart is gone. There is excessive friction that prevents the simple dumb fun of throwing in whatever as with 40k. Dealing with prime slot benefits feels less like a layer of customisation and more like paperwork.
The consolation to being put on the 3 year edition cycle treadmill is the potential that this might change before the next decade.
Thanks for listening to my TedX talk.

Can there be World building in 30k? Seems everything is nothing but a stop of necessity on the road to Terra, and fights are waged by ship-based armies on their way to Terra.

what happened to lexicanum layout?

>>96566836
Yeah getting in range is not an issue this edition, don't know what the other anon is on about. Plus more shit blocks LOS, so it's easier to stay safe until you can get in range.
Flamers can get a ton of hits if you position well, and in addition you also use the template during overwatch and snap shots now. You do not want to charge a unit that has flamers if you can't make it in with the set up move.

Crazy that a heavy flamer in a terminator squad is actually worth considering now. It always has been the weapon that nobody took.

>>96566837
3.0 is unironic pig trough shit-swill

>>96566898
they ruined it is what happened

>>96565576
>>96565536
>>96565524
>>96565508
>>96565488
>>96565473
>>96565457
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>>96565415
> Fully painted and based
> Fully painted terrain
Extremely based. AT anon (Blessings and Peace be Upon Him) delivers. Great recap and pics, thanks for posting.

>>96566898
Enshittification.

>>96566871
Of course there's worldbuilding, Heresy is setting the galaxy as a stage for the next 10,000 years. Driving to Terra is just one story of many.

>>96566837
I don't agree, I find that new list building makes it easy to specialize but challenges you to make sure all your bases are hit thanks to the apex and auxiliary structure and how the actual gameplay rewards more balanced lists with a mix of scoring, assault, artillery, and heavy armor over focusing on just one aspect. It's very different from previous editions yes, but it actually makes me think unlike 40k's slopbuilding and honestly the inclusion of statuses and new weapon stats have made choosing wargear (the best part) more interesting not less. Are there still some baffling choices, like chainswords not getting rending over shred or power weapons not being 5 points across the board, yes, does it suck that characters are loadout locked if your group didn't immediately houserule that out (mine did), yes, but in my opinion I like it well enough to stay unlike 10th edition.

Besides, its fun getting to theme characters as actually leading sections of the list around and converting/painting accordingly, like having my terminator centurion (high chaplain) leading all of my Terminators and thus all their squad leaders echo his ivory helmet, the delegatus as demagogue over the faithful throngs of troops, gal vorbak, and allied forces, the praetor as the champion of the battalion's chosen, leading the honor guard to bring glory to the dark gods...

>>96566836
The issue is more the enemy moving away with a reaction than getting into range
Even with full range bolter shooting 3 times you only need to cover 2 guys with the template to get the same hits with the same profile. It's not that hard if the enemy doesn't move away.
Either way them being a lot cheaper than last edition and having Panic is a pretty nice buff

>>96566871
There's an infinite amount of possibilities to tell with the setting. Not everything needs to be one of the 10 pivotal moment of the heresy that affects the entire war as a whole

>>96567127
>Stop 1" away from enemy unit
>Enemy unit react moves 4" away
>Flamer template is 8" long
Unless you're placing your flamer unit at max range (why would you ever do that) it's not easy to escape at all.

ETA of Liber Imperium?

Honestly desu I'm kind of tempted to try and turn this guy into a champion he's just cool

Have the other two Journal units leaked yet?

>>96567272
No. It's fucked up.

>>96567272
Who the fuck cares about word bearers lmao

>>96567320
Saturnine centurion please

>>96567320
they are far and away one of the most characterful and stirring legions
the experience of being a bearer marine would be absolutely fucking wild compared to most others

>>96567320
Me, fuck you blueberry calth burning was a good thing. Idc what the books try to say blueberry prime is one of the dumbest Primarchs over angron and his stupid attempt at murder suicide with fulgrum that completely failed to escape the failure of the codex was deserved

>>96567320
Personally I'd like to know if they get any tainted versions of standard issue saturnine weapons.

>>96567362
>saturnine reducing your thunder hammers to S6 so you're wounding them on 4s before buffs

>>96567336
>Only double plasma
>New single profile, 24" S6 AP4 D1 Breaching 6+, Pinning (0)
>+20ppm
>Still no way to shoot both on the move
That will be $45 please

>>96567320
>chaos legion that started caused horus' fall
>ultimately started the heresy
>mishandled and/or ignore so severely that they've become literal who's
Miserable.

I also find it annoying that the Dark Angels got the monastic robes. They should be more knightly, the robes look better on Chaos. Death Shadows look more like what Word Bearers should look like.

>>96567388
Oh I just realized this is /hhg/ not /40kg/, my mistake. Ignore me.

>>96566837
>try to make a mechanicum army list

Would a switch to the old WS move this game in a better direction? Basically hit your enemy with 1 higher WS on a 4+? 2 higher is 5+?

>>96567428
It's been 3 years, can you get over it already?
We don't even have WS5 dread anymore and everyone has access to generic WS5 units now

>>96567264
I don't see how though, it doesn't look like any mk of power armor

>>96567474
do you possess empirical knowledge on every last shape it took in the setting?
no i'm afraid not

>>96567474
That doesn't stop GW so why should it stop him?

>>96567474
>>96567485
>>96567488
You could always run it as a Militia character. They've got rules for running armies of primitive warriors.

>>96567499
nah fuck that
marines in strange shapes and permutations are rad and this is the setting to explore them in
stick a power plant on the fucker and that's fucking power armour yo simple as

>realized the list I'm building towards is like 75 models
>also have a saturnine dread

Fuck, I'll need a way to transport them and it's probably a bit more volume required than just bolting metal trays to Sistema containers. Are those meme magnetized transport bags worth it or are they all overpriced shit?

>>96567423
>try to make a mechanicum army list
Depends on your brand of mech anon.
Reductor is back baby.

>>96567423
mech listbuilding is great, what are you on about?

>>96567534
take a look at some of jucoci's stuff if you like
couldn't recommend them enough. my first case from them suffered some nature of manufacturing defect or so they say leading to the walls bulging out a little much to properly hold a tray very securely but once i reached out to them about it they gave me a link to an STL for some tray runners to FDM print and slip on and basically eliminate the issue atop sending me a replacement of an updated format outright so now i have two for the price of one!
really powerful couple of LED strips in the doors with a AA battery bank. it's the better format concerning how it's built and how secure it is i reckon.

they also sell backpacks contoured to both their medium and large cases and they're pretty spiffy

>>96567456
I’m just stimulating discussion and also I wasn’t around for the old WS chart for 1.0. I’m curious how it played out. Can you fuck off asshole?

>>96567423
>mfw peasant can't draft a taghmata of forces by browbeating his lessers into "donating" their pet projects and blackmailing his fellow magi with knowledge of their heretech and promises of subsidies in exchange for their support
My emotional processes return disdain for plebs. I choose to experience it.

>>96567423
>brainlet thinks he can play mechanicum
It's like TSfags who can't read.

>>96567474
Looks like all you need to do is swap the head, replace legs beow the knees, and put on a power pack to me.

>>96567428
>>96567456
The correct way to fix the WS for 3.o chart would have been to use the same WS chart as TOW.
Instead they made Dreadnoughts WS4 because they don't know what the fuck they are doing.

>>96567663
>unarmored boots
>no power pack
>worn by bloodthirsty savages
Sounds like thunder armor to me!

>>96564906
good luck

>>96567695
Do you think we'll ever see Thunder Armor? Supposedly it's worse than PA and only kept around for ceremonial purposes, but I could see a soft retcon so they could give us some artificer thunder armor

>>96567694
I just looked at the chart and I like it. Fluff wise are dreadnoughts supposed to have a WS of 5 or more? Is this to represent units not as aptly trained looking for a weak point in the dreadnoughts armour?

>>96567583
>Have no fucking idea how it worked before but can we go back to it?
Are you retarded?

>>96567707
if i remember correctly the ferrus manus book portrays at least one marine still walking around in his thunder plate amidst the great crusade in the war against the g*rdinaal shits
there are absolutely, i'd assume, instances amidst the heresy of it being either still held to or pressed back into service on any given note of basis
no reason why a heresy-era instance wouldn't be largely paved over in its capacities so as to represent line power plate or even an artificer suit

>>96567694
>fix the WS
There's nothing wrong with higher WS giving you a defensive bonus.
You are all just still butthurt because different=bad

>>96567721
I wasn’t advocating for it. I asked if it’s a good idea based on your guys experience. I understand you’re fucking retarded and couldn’t parse that out. Fucking midwit.

>>96567707
GW is absolutely off the rocker so for all we know they might release one of the guys from the thunder warrior warband from the bl novels.

>>96567731
I agree. However do you think the defensive bonus should be just 1+ difference or a 2+ difference (4+ or 5+)? Thanks for the feedback.

>First game testing a saturnine dreadnought with two heavy plasma bombard
>Does solid damage to infantry during the entire game
>Even to terminators
>Barrage 1 meant even without LOS it still easily hits larger squads
>Overloaded once or twice, but never hurt the dreadnought itself thanks to that thermal diffraction grid
Gotta say, really liking the plasma saturnine dread so far. Having consistent anti-infantry regardless of LOS is great.

Pic is from the same game, the moment before my apothecary had insane rolls and single-handedly killed the last remaining deathshroud terminator. With a power sword of all things.

>>96567748
sick. astartes getting pressed into melee at scale is wild shit to think about. that terminator is fucking s u r r o u n d e d.
and yeah plasma mortars are fucking mean as hell

>>96567748
Do you think it made its points back?

>>96567707
They did mention Blackshields using MkI during HH, so there's fluff for it.

>>96566734

Going strictly by the existing models, the Forge World Draykavac with the robed head rather than the skull head is the "generic abeyant Archmagos" and can also come off his throne to be a generic infantry Archmagos, but if you have him and the other two then you have basically exhausted the available supply of 30k-specific techpriest models except the out-of-production Titan Tech-Priest. Personally I would convert something up. They're Magi, they all look wildly different anyway, and using generic Magos models always feels off to me regardless.

>>96567795
Didn't keep track. It did kill most of a tactical squad turn one, which stopped them from scoring 5 VP that turn, so it definitely was pivotal for the game's outcome.

>>96565415
Based Legio Xestobiax, absolute bro tier legio

>>96565473
>>96565511

Yeah, my distinct memory of this game is that sometimes nothing happens for 2 or 3 turns and then EVERYONE just explodes.

>>96566871
Feels like there's more freedom than here in 40k proper now because you can have any combo of /yourdudes/ fighting in some far off sector away from the named characters

>>96567861
>literally irrelevant: the Legion

>>96567474
Too young to remember when true scale conversions were based on chaos warriors.

>>96567547
I suppose they look competent, and some magnetic storage I see online can be really out-there for what they are. Some other company I noticed sells Chinesium bags that use mesh trays than solid ones (but apparently they still work fine) and had a roughly equivalent price. Will think it over.

And since you brought it up, I do must wonder if an FDM printer could make a competent magnet case, but I'd imagine it would have to be composed of multiple, smaller plates interlocked and glued, if using a printer like an A1, and presumably the reliability wouldn't be as great.

>>96567930
the strength in the jucoci cases for instance comes in these bigass monolithic plastic panels that one fastens together. pretty damn robust. fisher price sort of plastic, soft-ish but very firm on the whole and at scale.
stitching something like that together in parts might well be possible but i think would warrant off the shelf metal screws and such to actually tie them together securely. i wouldn't trust a glue bond or whatever. not under strain or carrying anything about in earnest.

however if the components were really nicely interlocked then yeah it might well be more than adequate with just an adhesive

>>96567898
>But enough about the night lords.

>>96567428
My group has fully moved to this alternate WS chart.

>>96559985 (OP)
Someone do the math for me if Fulgrim has a snowball's chance in hell at beating Ferrus in a challenge, because I need to figure out if I need to write rules to buff him so there's a remote chance the big Isstvan game I'm working on will play out similarly to the lore.

>>96568021
To start with you have to account for Fulgrim using Forgebreaker and Ferrus using the Fireblade.

Was there ever a complete line of "retinue" FW terminators for all legions or am I just going mad? I wear there were IF ones and I can't seem to find any reference photos to prove they existed, only the praetor characters.

>>96567538

What's the plan to get use out of the Reductor trait? I'm glad to see someone also using the best boys, but I've got mine stuck in with some Myrmidons to boost the darkfires, which does leave the Ld looking a bit wobbly.

>>96568021

Do you want them with the canonical weapon-swap or with the ones their models/rules normally come with? If you swap them, Fulgrim is going to rinse this, almost all of Ferrus' dueling power comes from the incredible strength of Forgebreaker.

whoever scans forges of saturn when it's out, all I ask is that you do a better job than the dogshit scans in the OP

>>96567886
>use my existing tech Thralls from my mech army (60 new ones, 40 melee printed ones, 20 old ones) as levy and a unit of infantry respectively
>use krioses from my mechanicum under arms of the omnissiah
>use allied archimandrite tech priests from my mech army instead of discipline officers
>repaint my skitarri to match my 30k mech as units of Grenadiers, convert one to have a standard for a grenadier command troop, and get a skitarii marshal as force commander
>get recasts of Medusa mortars mounted on kataphron tracks and manned by servitors for heavy ordnance batteries
>get a recast stormhammer for use as a center piece, prettied up as a mechanicum altar to the machine god
Sound like a good idea for a tech guard army? This grew entirely out of wanting use to use my tech Thralls as augmented levy instead

>>96568084
I dig it quite a bit. What do the printed melee thralls look like? I want to make some up.

>>96568034
Imperial fists never got terminator models, husvarls have always been a convert your own deal

>>96568089
They were among the first models I painted for mech, I've gotten a lot better since then ;_;

>>96568034
Nope
>IF, UM, RG
No FW termies, but profile in EB/Legacy
>IW
FW termies, but not retinue. Retinue profile in EB/Legacy
>WB
Absolutely nothing now, Saturnine profile soon

>>96568034
IF had a lot of FW upgrade kits, shields, assault cannons, etc. So they store had a lot of IF termi images.

>>96559985 (OP)
>TQ

Honestly, I dont think any of them are super overpowered at all, two Kratos is a lot scarier then any of the Baneblade sized vehicles you can deploy, so I've never had a problem with any of them in a game, and even with tanks being better int his edition, they still dont seem that unfair.

>>96568109
Neeeeeat. I dig those. Beetle brain cases and circle hands.

>>96568021

Forgebreaker: -1 A +3 AP2 3 Crit 5+
Fireblade: not in this edition, we'll use the Laeran Blade instead.
Laeran Blade: I A S AP2 2 DE (1)

Fulgrim with Forgebreaker hits on 3s, wounds on 2+, crits on 5+ and deals 1 damage through EW base, 2 damage with a crit, increasing to 2 and 3 with Finishing Blow.

Ferrus with not!Fireblade is WS7 and has 6 attacks at S7 AP2 D2, base focus roll modifier also 7. hits on 5+, wounds on 3+ and does 1 damage no matter what.

If Fulgrim has Challenge Advantage, he moves up to 10 attacks. If Ferrus, with the same base focus roll, has challenge advantage, he only has 7 to Fulgrim's 6.

This is basically over instantly. If Fulgrim gets Challenge Advantage and uses Finishing Blow, he will kill Ferrus in a single round on average, before he even gets to swing. Ferrus is stuck scratching at Fulgrim for not even one wound per round no matter what gambit he picks, and even if Fulgrim plays it safe and picks +2 to focus on round 1 instead of FB he will comfortably win in two rounds, having been gently poked a couple of times. All of Fulgrim's abilities are basically balanced by his sword being terrible by the standards of Primarch weapons, if you give him a giant mega-hammer he just ruins people.

If you use the stats of Forgebreaker Desecrated instead it's slightly closer, since you only get extra damage through EW with both a crit and Finishing Blow plus Fulgrim goes down to +6 on focus rolls base, but Fulgrim still outdamages Ferrus handily under essentially all conditions.

>>96567789
It's why I've enjoyed the new style of missions with progressive scoring since Siege of Cthonia introduced them. More often than not you end up with huge piles of marines brawling on top of the objectives, looks cinematic as fuck.

>>96567663
Even very unskilled people used those models to build or pretend to build models for HH/.

>>96566871
Atavist Blackshields doing their own Great Crusade and ignoring the Cringe Heresy set up a lot of things for the future.

If you're running a Scout Command Tercio, you basically only really want loads of scout command guys don't you if they're BS4 (plus the Aethons), and the regular dudes aren't?

>>96568220
dying of kino fr
fucking awesome, man. inspiring. this shit only comes together properly when either side is done the hell up and going at it in a press.

>>96568228
Converting chaos warriors into marines is one of the oldest traditions in warhammer lol. Seen people do it since I started in 3rd edition.

Is anyone doing a Militia project at all? I'm not time rich or keen enough on the idea to do it, but I'd like to see it if you've got it

>>96568291
I am happy to be part of the tradition then. But lets face it who wouldn't want their "Pretor" to be Aekold Hellbrass or Valkia.

>>96559985 (OP)
Doing a squad of the new siege Tartaros. First time building plasma blasters, didn’t realize they were a double barreled plasma gun, not db plasma pistol lol. Tempted to add data pads from the new rapier crew to make the Sgt even more ridiculous

>>96567663
put printed greaves and a backpack on them for instant thunder armor

>>96568407
Armoured legs were not standard on the MkI, though common among marines.

>>96568334
I have smatterings of Militia, but I need to fill out more basic dudes and such. I think I'm gonna use a couple boxes of the Wargames Atlantic dudes for penal legion levies.

Have we seen anything from the new Journal outside of these guys yet?

>>96568716
nothing so far here at least

>>96568368
. . . Why didn't you just make him hold the plasma blaster that already comes with Tartaros terminators?

>>96568782
>>96568368
That looks pretty cool, Anon.

>>96568782
Cause he’s a special boy. Really though it’s because I was mixed on using this guy as a Sgt and was thinking of using it as a fancy looking warpfire gun on some character. Plus if I do add screens on this guy it’s easier to pose

definitely a little goofy but i'm going through with it. just one each in a couple of tactical squads.
prolly gonna get ameliorated a good ways when he's all painted up anyhow
scraped-up-with-a-shovel-and-rebuilt marine

>>96568334
I've restarted my militia project. I've been sitting on a ton of admech heads and AWG Eisenkern for a long time now as an allied force. With Industrial levy and augments a thing I've decided to roll in my Bladed Cog GSC (they also have admech bits like heads and cybernetics) and army so now I have 3k of militia. The idea being that a mining fleet was levied into service to support the local militia proper. Behind the scenes it's all typical corruption and a local mining union/gang warlord is pulling all the strings. Mutations are rampant, bribes are standard practice, and the Warlord is getting in over his head expanding territory.

>>96569023
wtf

>>96569060
i kno rite

>>96569060
Don't reply to him

>>96568334
My plan is >>96568084, I've already got the basic infantry carrying over which honestly is always what holds me back from horde armies lol so I'm excited what I can add as auxiliaries. So far I'm looking at
>4 Medusa Heavy Ordnance Batteries
>24 Serberys Calvary with rough rider lances led by a mounted command squad
>40 Skitarri Grenadiers led by a grenadier command squad
>12 Kataphron Quads that I'll magnetize to take any special or heavy weapons I can find
>10 Enforcer Automata Ogryn in a Gorgon Transporter
So much fun haha

>>96568283
pls respond

>>96568334
Yup.
It's just vraks.

>>96569302
oops all vraks

>>96569423
>>96569310
Yes

>>96569447
>two left feet
>one small hand
We got a genestealer, boys

>>96569463
Anon, his skin ain't purple tinged. That's just a garden variety muttie.

Second base of tactical marines done.

>>96569663
You seem awfully keen on defending him, take off your hat and show me your brow

>>96568334
Yessss.

>>96569836
>>96569848

This makes the big penis.

>>96568334
I've been grinding away on my abhuman army, doing nothing but painting beastmen.

>>96569940
I feel you. I am batch painting 4x20 infantry troops, with enamels, powders, oils, the whole shabang. 20 down, another 20 almost done.

>>96568334
posted these guys a thread or two ago, challenged myself to speed paint them since I usually paint slow as fuck, pretty happy with how they turned out

>>96569940
You're the fucking man. I have 30 Beastmen, but I need to find some other sculpts because I don't want to do too much samey stuff.

What are you hoping for with the WB saturnines? I want Giga-Vorbak but it's unlikely since these units are meant to be minor conversions

>>96570313
BS5

>>96570367
With the disintegrators? What happens when you hit on an overload number?

>>96570382
BS5

>>96570423
BS5

god i fucking love the bearers so much
imagine being a marine amidst this but it's actually a full-dick fucking religious crusade and all your battle bros are fucking in it to win it w/ u and shit's just fucking grim procession and the cosmos itself is writhing to the tune of the orchestra you're a part of with your bolt gun or fucking chainsword and hand blaster or whatever
fuck
that is fucking crazy
>>96570438
at last, i see

>>96570495
>>96570495
>>96570495

>>96570454
in reality you are everyone's punching bag, you are surrounded by stinky fanatical masses 24/7 and you get told what to do by daemons who purposefully train you wrong as a joke.

>>96570313
>Hoping
Psychic/demonic melee blender
>Expecting
warpfire bombards following the template of the warpfire cannon on the mhara ghal, becoming S5 breaching 4+ D2 and losing overload and a maximal fire mode. Makes it completely specialized at Termie killing. Probably losing barrage(1).

>>96570313
>what I'd like
Basically Gal Vorbak in Terminator Armor: Take Saturnine Command Squad, M6" and S5 base, lock into Warpfire Plasma Bombard and Tainted Fist, lock squad size at exactly 3, add Malefic, Fear (1), and FNP 5+, Tainted Fist is saturnine fist with phage (S) and impact(A), warpfire plasma bombards lose maximal profile and get breaching 5+, shred 6+, pinning (1) on the sustained profile, 300 points
>what I expect
Saturnine but Spooky: Take Base Saturnine, lock into saturnine fists and warpfire plasma bombard, add malefic and fear (1), warpfire plasma bombards lose maximal profile and get breaching 5+, shred 6+ on the sustained profile, 250 points for 3, +80ppm up to 6
>what GW will do
Saturnine but shittier: Saturnine, lock into saturnine fists and warpfire plasma bombard, lock at exactly 3 models, add malefic, warpfire plasma bombards lose sustained profile and get shred 6+ on the maximal profile, 350 points