Thread 96788853

>What is Exalted?
An epic high-flying role-playing game about reborn god-heroes in a world that turned on them.
Start here:http://theonyxpath.com/category/worlds/exalted/

>That sounds cool, how can I get into it?
Read the 3e core book (link below). For mechanics of the old edition, play this tutorial:http://mengtzu.github.io/exalted/sakuya.html
It’ll get you familiar with most of the mechanics.

>Gosh that was fun. How do I find a group?
Roll20 and the Game Finder General here on /tg/. good luck

>Resources for Third Edition
>3E Core and Splats
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/b54o6teut3fx6/Exalted_3e

>Errata for Third Edition
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n3ooTmopm3CBxW5jwPp1761xsaIccea-5XIhVM_PQEc/edit

>Other Ex3 Resources
https://pastebin.com/fG1mLMdu (embed)

>Resources for Older Editions
https://pastebin.com/BXSGuFdQ (embed)

>Current Quixalted Extended QE Version (Fanmade Supplement)
https://files.catbox.moe/rjgmo5.pdf

>Optional Quixalted Exalts
https://www.mediafire.com/file/jg86yrewnhx2ov3/QE_Reject3eExaltHomebrew.pdf/file

>Exalted Demake/Black Vault (Now with updates):
https://pastebin.com/Tt1PjuYt (embed)
https://pastebin.com/qHRW9N51 (embed)

>collection of Exalted Hacks
https://pastebin.com/gtZnycJs (embed)

>stuff that might be interesting
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-exalted-thread-with-no-original-ideas.317216/

Last thread: >>96737261

TQ: How important are artefacts in your games? Does the plot ever revolve around one? Are they important to your character or are they just stat sticks? DO you ever go out of your way to get any?

>>96788853 (OP)
>How important are artefacts in your games? Does the plot ever revolve around one?
One of the more common story arcs is 'guy with artifact does a silly; solve', up there with 'sorcerer does a silly; solve' and 'spirits being silly; resolve', so I'd say they're important to my games in that sense. I've maybe only once had a game's plot revolve around one, but that was in that the artifact was a ship and it's power was to resolve travel times, and being very fast (especially at crossing large distances or getting to strange ports) turned out to matter and be exploitable several times, and put the party in the position they were in for the story re: running around solving shit all over the ocean-adjacent world.

>Are they important to your character or are they just stat sticks?
I've tried to make them important as a PC but they did usually end up being exploited for their powers with little regard given to their legend, yes.

>DO you ever go out of your way to get any?
I have only had mediocre-to-bad experiences with Storyteller-driven dungeon diving. That is to say, the scenario where we hear about a ruin or an explorable place that we'd be able to pick over and find the hidden treasure in - that sort of scenario has always been a bit of a slog for me as a Storyteller and hasn't been very engaging as a player. What I have had go well regularly is the player researching/searching for a particular artifact for their own reasons, and exploring the place where it would have been buried. It being something the player asks for (and usually it's something that drives the overarching story along, because players are out searching for it) makes it much more engaging and fun.

>>96786172
Huh, interesting.
I think what bounced me off ExD v3 was the Rule of 1s and the Health System/Taking Damage thing.

What's his Great House and Aspect?

>>96789116
>the Rule of 1s
You mean shifting target numbers/difficulties, or the rule of 1s specifically? I haven't had any trouble with the latter, it's more the shifting TNs that I've been taking issue with. I noted it as something I consider a problem in both v1 and v3 because... well, Exalted isn't WoD and one of the ways that works is that Exalted cares a lot more about having access to a granular scale that goes up indefinitely. It's the same problem Godbound and Exalted d20 run into where there isn't anything harder than Difficulty 9 / DC 20. It's rare but in Exalted sometimes being able to ask your player to roll ten+ successes matters - because the expected thing is that an Exalt is going to go absolutely bananas and knock down a temple, or deduce the existence of the surviving titan Autochthon in a fresh and censored library, or filch the Scepter of Peace and Order in a hurry. Demake is better than d20 because you can still count successes, but shifting TNs throw it off a lot.

>Health System/Taking Damage thing.
I've had basically no trouble with that. It's just normal health levels, except you don't take wound penalties unless it's a hit big enough it leaves a mark. Run out of health and you get incapped unconscious, then it takes a few more hits to actually kill Exalted one hundred percent dead because of main character energy. Really, if anything, we've had more trouble dealing with willpower shortages from Block/Dodge.

>>96789271
How does Stagger work in practice?
It feels kind of cumbersome reading the rules on it.

Also I noticed it assumes Antagonists normally have 7 health, would extras work by just lowering it to 3 health?

Is this really the hottest prostitute of the First Age?

>>96790283
>Tanned
>white hair
Makes sense to me. That's peak anime girl colors

>>96790283
brown girls are the best.

>>96790283
She's top-tier and you know it.

What tier of Sorcerous Working would "Won't age but still dies any other normal way" be in your opinion?

>>96790782
That's basically what the effect that the empress is under so I would say celestial either because of her own efforts with the artifact that allows you to reach one higher level than natural to you or with sidereal help.
Of course this doesn't work for sidereals because of the nature of their exaltation.

>>96790782
that sounds like 1st circle shit

>>96790782
Solar 1 with the caveat that the aging is hidden in some item or location that can be discovered or freed and the target will continue aging again.

Celestial 2 I'd give you something along the lines of consuming an ancient, very important to elementals, gods, and local mortals, tree or something to consume its lifeforce and extend your life some, idk, 200-700 years?

>>96790822
>that sounds like 1st circle shit
Incorrect, or the mystery of the immortality of the empress wouldn't be a big deal for the other DBs.

>>96790782
That sounds like something you'd need to upkeep, with some downside if you miss it. Immortality that just "works" should be impossible/really hard. I'm thinking of a grove of peaches where if you eat one every week you don't age, but if you miss your dose you take aging penalties until you have another, even though you're still technically not old. Something something the time that would have passed weighs you down or something, lasting until your next dose or until all the time has passed that you stopped.

I don't think immortality should be all that rare or hard to get, but immortality where "No one knows how she's still alive" happens should be "basically" impossible. The other types should be rather obvious, oh this person bathes in the blood of the innocent. This person is an undead and stopped his heart and is as cold as the grave now. This person has to take a drug once a week, every week, till the end of time. This person has to take care of a sacred oasis and so long as it's healthy and the waters clean it literally washes away old age. Be a real dick move if someone poured poison in it, a reaaaal dick move.

i want to fuck a ghost.

I have too little alcohol in my blood and it's 2am, but here's the ACTUALLY up to date, NOT experimental Solar V14 because it has a loose system hanging around which isn't referenced literally anywhere else, Exalted Demake V3 with manual bookmarks because fuck you I hate myself.
Fucking phone net died while at Antagonists so I had to finish that and to Panoply and Warstriders without Sabaton.

>https://files.catbox.moe/229v91.pdf

What kind of sex Charms would non-Solars have, theme- and effect-wise?

>>96792151
Oh, thanks anon.

>Solars v14.
It is surprising the amount if revisions that Holden did.

>>96792618
Celestial Bliss Trick for Sidereals.
Celestial Bliss Trick but edgy for Abyssals
Celestial Bliss Trick by twisted (reroll 6s and 5s) for Infernals.
Dual Genital Implementation for Alchemicals.
Lunars already have everything they will ever need.
Elemental Dragon Self-preasure for Dragon-Blooded.

>>96792700
To further elaborate, Lunars already get various tentacle Charms in every edition. Alchemicals partially share in this.

What physical and mental effects would an Infernal experience from having an Angyalka as a coadjutor?

>>96791345
>Immortality that just "works" should be impossible/really hard.
I think immortality and agelessness are different things immortality is being immune to death; the other only stops your aging

>>96793453
They're probably always engaged in violin-like finger coordination exercises when they don't need to use their hands but are in deep thought. They might also view the passage of time more neutrally, at least until they find out how much time they don't have in 2e.

>>96794180
NTA but a sort of synesthestia would be fitting. Perceiving emotional cues as musical notes, hearing discordant notes when someone lies, etc. Hearing the BGM diegetically too.

>>96789619
>How does Stagger work in practice?
Someone hits you hard enough to leave a mark (i.e. more damage than your Stagger Threshold), you stagger. This means that you take a wound and go to the bottom of the turn order for the round that you are staggered. Many but not all scene-long charms now also turn off when you stagger and would need to be re-activated.

>Also I noticed it assumes Antagonists normally have 7 health, would extras work by just lowering it to 3 health?
You could make extras with three health, I personally wouldn't. Seven health is fine for low numbers of chump NPCs, because having low Block/Dodge and Defense/Soak means attacks hit very hard. We have battlegroups rules to resolve large groups of NPCs.

>>96790782
>"Won't age but still dies any other normal way"
Ambition 2 Terrestrial Working involving mutating yourself to take on the traits of some naturally ageless thing, if we assume that age is a purely physical thing, which some sorcerers probably think it is. The Storyteller should give this some visual indication. We know that age isn't purely physical in Exalted though, and that the soul has something to do with it, so it's probably Ambition 1 or 2 Celestial if you don't want to suddenly turn to ash when your mystical lifespan meter runs out or have your soul splinter and become deranged over time.

>>96790848
>Incorrect, or the mystery of the immortality of the empress wouldn't be a big deal for the other DBs.
It shouldn't be if the other DBs have a single dot of intelligence in their collective heads. This sounds like 3e having dogshit writing and making everybody into drooling retards to fuel a narrative to me. There are many, many ways that the Empress could be immortal and a very simple one would be to just have a hearthstone or artifact that makes her immortal.

>>96791345
>I'm thinking of a grove of peaches where if you eat one every week you don't age, but if you miss your dose you take aging penalties until you have another, even though you're still technically not old.
That's 3e thaumaturgy-tier shit. Terrestrial sorcery can do better. They aren't chumps.

Thoughts on quality vs quantity when it comes to social merits?

>>96794336
Low dot social merits are dogwater, mid-dot social merits are good but in chargen (which is the only time you get to easily choose social merits in this manner) it's easier to go from 3-5 than it is to pick up three 3-dot merits, and 5-dot social merits are easily worth three 3-dot social merits. Ultimately, the way social merits are given in 3e specifically makes min-maxing social merits for the highest dot ratings possible almost strictly better than spreading them out. Also, it's much easier on the Storyteller to have smaller numbers of more powerful merits, especially coming out of chargen when there's a lot of new stuff to remember and not much time to engage with it.

In 2e it's a little more complex because high ratings in social backgrounds get you a lot of attention from the Wyld Hunt, but you weren't asking about that.

>Archerysissies
>Terrified of anything they can't run and hide from
>Brawlgins
>Punch things with bare hands, whine fists are underpowered
>Martial Artscels
>Not a real ability
>Meleechads
>Male human fighter
>Throwngods
>Choose the dumbest weapons in game and stupidest way to fight, just keep winning.

>>96794594
>>Throwngods
>>Choose the dumbest weapons in game and stupidest way to fight, just keep winning.
The funny thing about Thrown is finding decent weapons. Half the time you're just throwing improvised shit and the other half the time 90% of your strategy is caltrops and hand grenades.

>>96794594
I respect the commitment to such a shitty design decision.

>>96794336
Quality of Merits will trump quantity of merits in the vast majority of cases.

>>96790782
Something like that shouldn't work in Creation given that even the Peaches of Immortality don't achieve that.

>>96794336
Each dot of a merit is exponentially better than the previous dot. It's a pretty easy calculation to work out which is better when you compare taking one plus one plus one to one times two times two.

>>96794594
>fists are underpowered
Bait used to be believable.

>>96795943
>Bait used to be believable.
It's a 2e thing, mostly. It does still happen in 3e sometimes.

>>96796279
Resistance + Brawl is really good for Solars

What are general opinion in Exalted Essence mechanics? I'be looking for something simpler I can run in PbP on Discord.
I've aso been weighting on trying Demake and other hacks. Which would you guys recomend?

>>96796325
>Resistance
Nah

>Brawl
Yeah, but only in the 1v1

>>96796550
>Resistance
>Nah
Let me guess, you're sure to win because your speed is superior?

>>96796387
>What are general opinion in Exalted Essence mechanics?
Good, relatively easy to get into and with a little depth of mastery to explore. The progression system is a little wild and you'll have way too many milestones if you run it as-written. Social works well. Most of my early complaints were honestly about how it capped out hard at E2/E3-ish, but now there's more of an endgame written and places for characters to go mechanically it's a bit more workable. It's main flaw is that it's very soft and lenient and do-what-you-wanna-do, especially if the players cooperate rather than conflict. Teamwork is overpowered and especially so in combat.

>I've aso been weighting on trying Demake and other hacks.
Good ruleset. The dot-based charm system is way better than even mainline trees and Essence's relatively flat charm access, giving weight to higher-power charms by making them cost more instead of the typical line's method of having higher prerequisites. The combat system is pretty damn good and has more depth in play than Essence. I wouldn't say that it's particularly hard to get into either, though maybe a bit more than Essence (still way better than any mainline).

>>96796616
>Let me guess, you're sure to win because your speed is superior?
I'm sure to win because my nova is superior. My nova is superior because you've been wasting your time with Resistance when you could've been taking more Brawl (or going into Melee or Archery), and I haven't.

>>96796664
Be a shame if that nova you spent a double-digit number of motes and a Willpower point on bounced right off my face without leaving a scratch. :^)

>>96796700
>Be a shame if that nova you spent a double-digit number of motes and a Willpower point on bounced right off my face without leaving a scratch. :^)
It'd be fucking hilarious to see the impossible, yeah. You're delusional, anon. Resistance does not beat nova. It's wasted xp and if you use it in combat it's wasted motes and willpower too.

>>96796826
>Meanwhile in actual play...

>>96796874
I have no idea how you plan to survive Crashing Wave Throw.

>>96794327
>a very simple one would be to just have a hearthstone or artifact that makes her immortal.
going down in quality as the sanity goes up

>>96797246
maybe the scarlet empress is still immortal and doesn't have a Gem of Life. Also how many of these Gems of Incomparable Wellness could there possibly be seeing as how it's a level 5 manse.

Maybe being attuned to the Imperial Manse makes you immortal but no one really knows for sure. Or maybe someone was sneaking the empress Peaches of Immortality without anyone finding out somehow. I don't think it being a mystery means there isn't supposed to be an answer.

>>96797293
>Also how many of these Gems of Incomparable Wellness could there possibly be seeing as how it's a level 5 manse.
There's at least one Gem of Immortality from a manse on the slopes of the Imperial Mountain she would be able to get pretty easy access to in 2e, the Ancient Estate. It was introduced as the manse the Gem of Immortality that was offered to Chejop Kejak came from, which he refused.

>>96797061
Spirit Strengthens the Skin is right there, dumb-dumb.See also Diamond Body Prana. And since I'm Resistance Supernal I can pop Adamant Skin Technique paired with Aegis of Invincible Might. Keep in mind this is if I'm playing a Solar and thus dealing with Solar Charm bloat because I want to give you a sporting chance. Point is, I've got options niggy.

>>96797363
>It was introduced as the manse the Gem of Immortality that was offered to Chejop Kejak came from, which he refused.
what an inane proposition, it wouldn't do anything to him anyway
did the people who offered it miss their Sidereal 101?

>>96798263
Well there's Rakan Thulio precedent...

How have you used Avoiding the Truth Technique?

I can think of some uses like Cassandra style prophecies, but I'm sure that there's much more you can do with it even if it isn't as straightforward as if you were convincing them that you're telling the truth.
Just saying "I'm not your boss" and expecting the opposite wouldn't make much sense, for example, right?
(Unless it causes them to think you are an undercover auditor or something like that, I guess?)


In any case, how have you used it/seen it used?
This kind of charm seems like it'd cause a few fun situations.

Apologies for intruding on your thread /ex/ellent/g/entlemen. But do you mind if I ask a metaquestion?

I'm from over on /osrg/ and I've heard that your threads have a mentally ill retard who hangs around them and picks fights all the time.

I'd just like to check, do any of the following traits match his bullshit?
>Uses the following words/phrases constantly: Boring, tedious, even its own fans [Negative statement], It's so bad, what the fuck is wrong with you, piece of shit, shill, boogeyman
>Claims there's a conspiracy by a small group of hardcore fans to shill whatever it is he doesn't like and the only reason anyone talks about it/tries to get others to engage with it is to spread the misery
>Samefags in an unrelenting and obvious manner, insists it's not him when he's doing the equivalent of wearing a Groucho Marx moustache/glasses combo to hide his identity, doesn't even change his wording
>Projects his samefagging onto everyone else while doing so.
>Turns up and squats the thread sperging out whenever the thing he doesn't like is mentioned
>Immediately starts using/trying to turn around any insults that hit him particularly harshly
>Nasty, caustic personality, uncivilized even by 4chan standards
>Is generally just an autistic subhuman who picks fights like he's a deadbeat dad in a wife beater who just got his kid kicked out of a birthday party at IHOP
Promise I'll leave you to your thread once I have an answer since Exalted doesn't interest me that much.
I'm just very curious if we're all dealing with the same hyper aggressive sped or not.

>>96798646
No, I'm a different guy.

>>96798528
"Please don't do this, or bad stuff will happen", sarcastic confessions and wild goose chases "I saw the murderer, he went that way"

>>96798646
Sometimes a shitposter(?) appears, he does weird posting like "you are a cunt that needs to be raped" and argue about semantics in an imperative voice

>>96798953
Have you got any examples from the archive? I'll owe you a beer if you can find anything. I've got a nasty hunch.
And I also think it might be the same guy, dohohoh

>>96798953
I'm pretty sure I'm the one who tells people they need to get raped but I've never been to /osrg/. Maybe he means the anon that keeps stealing peoples jokes.

>>96798953
>>96798996
Cheers, seems we're dealing with different guys in that case. Thanks for the answer.
Enjoy your thread lads. May it always be peaceful.

>>96780237

that X will never fuck you is my joke and you know darn well you stole it from me.

>>96798968
No, but a similar shitposter was in another thread arguing that Howard had bad prose, and that Tolkien invented Beowulf

>>96799288
Was he in any way similar to the retard that turns up any time Night lands is being discussed?

What do I need to wield a two-handed weapon in one hand without penalties?

>>96798528
>>96798921
I've also used it to put some guys into troubles with thier superiors or communities they were overseeing when my PC got witnesses they were telling the truth but person affected by that charm refused to believe it. Like refusing to believe enemy aproaches thier position from a certain passage. And of other NPC decide to belive PC then seeds of the doubts and mistrust among allies get planted.

" Don't worry. You can trust your son/friend with that task."

Don't just use this charm for one on one situation. Make targets appear to be fools in eyes of others or other way around when everyone belives PC but target is convinced you are lying and just manipulted everyone around.

>>96799288
Somewhere, at some point in time, I am going to claim that Tolkien invented Beowulf and I am going to make 100% sure that it's with a group of the nerdiest people I know. I am formulating my bullshit as we speak.

You see, clearly, our understand of tropes and memes come from Tolkien. We know about that due to our cultural zeitgeist: reading Beowulf will always come second - therefore our ability to understand it will always be through a Tolkienian(I need a more pompous word) lens. Beowulf inspired Tolkien but Tolkien invented our understand of Beowulf.

it's not perfect but I'll get there just wait and see. gonna flabbergast so many nerds.

>>96799497
Go further.
Make a conspiracy theory of it, argue that because there's only one copy of Beowulf that has ever been found that's proof that Tolkien faked it into existence only to get in too deep and find he couldn't retract it when it came time to reveal it was all a hype campaign for his other work.

Refuse to elaborate further unless you find specific historic details that support your argument.

>>96799522
bingusinchairsayingperfect.jpg

>>96799365
Probably not, since the night land was mentioned and ignored.

>>96799497
>We know about that due to our cultural zeitgeist: reading Beowulf will always come second - therefore our ability to understand it will always be through a Tolkienian(I need a more pompous word) lens. Beowulf inspired Tolkien but Tolkien invented our understand of Beowulf.
This is a good start, in another thread an anon argued this for the Arthurian myths.

>Tolkienian.
Normally people use Tolkienesque.

Quoth a certain man:
>The Exalted gameline might be anti-Tolkien (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-LOTR series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>>96800817
I think it is ironic how Tolkien magic is close to the pulps than Exalted's is, this to not give spoilers about Dying Earth.

>>96799393
The Powerful Grasp merit (The Realm p.80) allows you to do this but requires that you have the Giant merit as a prerequisite.

>>96798263
I always read it as people sincerely wanting it to work, over actually believing it would.

>>96798263
>what an inane proposition, it wouldn't do anything to him anyway
>did the people who offered it miss their Sidereal 101?
Prior to 3e Sidereals were not banned from life extension. Some life extensions did not work on them (most importantly the peaches of immortality), but most still had full effect. The Gem of Immortality would work. The hard 5000 year cap was introduced to immediately set the precedent of breaking it in order to hype up Rakan Thulio, as >>96798397 alludes.

>>96788853 (OP)
Trying to get into GMing ExWoD and after parsing kinda surprising how little it has for healing. Like sure, the Exalts are prob gonna bend most of the setting over no issue unless I get nasty, but I fucking know one guy is gonna be clamoring to be the party healer and clear Wounds mid-combat.

I also know for sure he ain't gonna want to be a dinosaur, but Dragon Kings seem to be the only ones who have actually healing charms that aren't for treating yourself. No Ancient Sorcery for it either and diving into Hedge Magic doesn't seem to have a solution either.

>>96803189
Exalted has never had good in-combat healing, so it's WAD.

>>96803201
Fuck does WAD mean?

>>96803201
You could make an upgraded version of Essence-Lending Method that takes it to three dots and lets you offer Willpower and Health Levels too. That's the closest Solars get to in-combat healing in the mainline, though I suppose Instant Treatment Methodology gets close (but the actual health levels doesn't heal faster, it just lets you perform the treatment instantly).

Mainline Sidereals have the best combat healing through Many Missiles Bow Technique, which has Holistic Bullet Methodology's secondary effect except that the strange ammunition can create small miracles. One of the most used ones was shooting Life at people, which dealt negative damage. Each of those transformations were typically bought separately, at less than a charm's cost (but they don't use dot ratings, so maybe buying one or two variations of 'shoot a special effect (Life, Fire, Boulders)' as one dot charms might work).

Those are the most TF2 Medic Healgun-alike effects I can think of off the top of my head, in Exalted. Combat healing is hard and generally intended to be pretty bad, to make a world where medicine-men treating people exceptionally well can be cool.

>>96801281
>six fucking Merit dots for this
Larger than life wuxia + anime + sword & sorcery game my fucking ass.

>>96805097
Exalted was better when it sold itself as a dark and gritty anime-themed bronze age world.

Just say you can wield two-handed weapons in one hand if you have Strength 4 or higher and you're not a mortal. Done.

>>96805097
It gets funny when you see the size of a daiklave.

And the lack of artifact knives.

>>96805341
>And the lack of artifact knives.
Aren't they called Short Daiklaves or something-fangs?

>>96805251
Too fucking true. Nowadays people read something like Manacle & Coin or Savage Seas and think 'grit and hardship, in MY Exalted?'.

>>96805304
They did two editions with Strength prerequisites then out with the bathwater it goes.

>>96805433
daiklets

>>96803189
What are you talking about, nigga?
>Instant Treatment Methodology
Spend 1 Essence. For the rest of the scene, the Solar can complete any medical assessment or treatment she undertakes, regardless of its complexity, in no more than a minute at most; most treatments take mere seconds.
This charm is meant to be combined with wound-mending care technique to allow for healing in one turn and also who said you can't heal yourself?

Lunars also have Lick Wound that works instantly.

>>96803189
That's kind of to set it apart from D&D. Exalted is a game about consequences and part of the consequences for combat is you get hurt, and wound penalties mean that you suck ass at everything else just a little until you've healed.

>>96803231
Working As Designed

>>96805097
Ask your ST if you can change the prereq from Giant to, like, Strength 4 or something.

I like that the Abyssal powerset got a punch-up in this edition. Summoning Silent Hill monsters into existence to do your bidding is kino.

>>96806121
I'm just happy blasting people with your eye-lasers is even better now. Can't go wrong with the good old eye lasers in the villain splat.

>>96806121
I appreciate Immortal Malevolence not being spirit-killed anymore making it much easier to seem utterly unkillable.

>>96805341

There are now artifact knives in the Abyssal book, the generic name for them is apparently "Dire Talons".

>>96806325
It was weird to hear that artifact knives crashed with Exalted's aesthetics.

>>96806325
Solars have Beloved Adorei. Where's my yandere soulsteel Dire Talon dammit?

>>96806357
I hope we get Beloved in essence

Storytellers in this thread, how did you portray Peleps Deled whenever you included him in your games?

>>96807225
As a fanatic extremist? I'm not sure how much else there is to say. He's not exactly multidimensional.

>>96807344
But that's boring.

>>96807431
>How do you portray this character
>As his character
>But that's LAMMMMEEEE
then make up a new character my fren

>>96807431
He's a straightforward and resolved antagonist. He doesn't need to be more than that to play a useful role in a story, and if he was he'd be less useful for the roles he's a good character for, which we often need. We do sometimes need someone who can be unrelenting, who can be decisive and ruthless even to themselves, an antagonist that won't give in if someone asks them nicely and who will cut down anyone who does in a heartbeat. Sometimes you need a guy who can shock and awe the players. Sometimes you need someone who can pressure them and not slip up or back down. Sometimes you need an unreasonable fanatic to break through all the barriers that should reasonably stop them. Deled's good for that kind of thing. If you need him, Deled's always able to gather up some guys and go on a rampage.

>>96807580
Oh and by the way this >>96807580 is still accurate whether you're in an Anathema game, a Dragonblood game (Dynast or Outcaste), or a Sidereal game. He does exactly the same thing, but the context you see and use him in changes.

>>96802486
no, they never had the option of extending their lives

>>96808622
Cite source, because it sounds like you're talking out your ass and I did already say where I'd got my info from. Manual Sidereals pg32 says yes, they could. The exact wording in 1e was in the Peaches of Immortality section on Sidereals pg29, "Sidereals live about 3,000-5,000 years. Even with access to the peaches of immortality, they cannot cheat their final day," and at that time the idea that they would have precisely 5k years (minus lifespan-reducing techniques) was not set. Nothing said precludes other life-extending magic.

>>96808896
>they cannot cheat their final day
that seems very clear cut tho.

>>96808622
just in general i'd like sources too about sidereals and how they handle immortality.

>>96807529
>>96807580
>>96807633
Strawman villains are boring though.

>>96807431
Peleps Deled likes to given sermons on proper behavior to his lessers. He isn't concerned with being exciting or personable as such; that would be a potential sin against the Dragons, anyway. He is very much an "I had fun once. It was awful." kind of person

A Heptagram-trained Dynast-born Immaculate sifu magistrate was teaching a class on The Scarlet Empress, founder of the Scarlet Dinasty.

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship The Scarlet Empress and accept that she was the holiest being the world has ever known, even greater than the Shogun!”

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, Dawn Caste Solar Exalted who had been in 1500 tours of duty in the Scavenger Lands and understood the necessity of the Solar Reclamation and fully supported every decision taken by his First Age incarnation stood up and held up a rock.

”What is this rock, Terrestrial?”

The arrogant sifu smirked quite Dynastically and smugly replied “It's a piece of yellow jade, you stupid Anathema”

”Wrong, it is a piece of Orichalcum ore. If you had the Mandate of Heaven you would be resonant with it by now.”

The sifu was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of the Immaculate Texts. He stormed out of the room crying those Dynastic crocodile tears. The same tears Dragon-Blooded cry for the "downtrodden under Anathema rule" (who today live in such luxury they can afford interior plumbing and antibiotics) when they jealously try to annex neighboring territories from the deserving Lawgivers.

There is no doubt that at this point our sifu, Peleps Deled, wished he had submitted to Solar rule and become more than a miserable bickering noble in a crumbling empire. He wished so much that he had a daiklave to ritually impale himself from embarrassment, but he had aided the Immaculate Order in destroying them!

The students applauded and all accepted Solars as their rightful kings and masters. An eagle named “Solar Dominion” flew into the room and perched atop the Realm banner and shed a tear on the chalk, incinerating it in a golden bonfire that melted the attendants' eyes off. The Oath of Solar Supremacy was read several times, and The Unconquered Sun himself showed up and enacted a decree to reinstate the Solar Deliberative.

The sifu lost his tenure, was dishonorably discharged and his manse was demolished the next day. He died of the Great Contagion and went to the Underworld, where he was forged into soulsteel to suffer for all eternity.

Glory to the Unconquered Sun.

>>96809738
Depends on the villain, really.
They have a tendency of being more popular than "nuanced" ones, these in turn are hated because of being hypocrites and whiny

QE Anon, if you still poke your head around here, I had a few questions for you about the Mandate of Heaven system after experimenting with it a bit for one of my players.

1) How does paced leading actions interact with dominion intervals / turn length, particularly for internal actions? Can it reduce the turn length below a Month, or does it just allow you to keep a charm active for (X) turns?

2) What does dominion limit break actually do mechanically?

3) What is some guidance for deciding trait levels in pre-existing dominions?

4) If performing a trait action, can it benefit from features from other traits if narratively relevant, and if so, is there a limit to how many they can benefit from at once? Also, do leading actions benefit from features in the same way as the trait they are replacing?

Thank u if u come around to answering these, it would calm the many schizophrenic voices in my head

>>96809980
>>96809993
>scenes from Lyta's drug-induced "Illuminated" daydreams

>>96810845
Who the hell is Lyta?

>>96811077
NTA but the Solar best girl

>>96811077
A zealous fanatic Dawn Solar who was born into the Scarlet Dynasty but never became Dragon-Blooded. After being pushed to the side, she became a Dawn during a martial arts exam at the Cloister of Wisdom that went south because two other students had it out for her. Then the Gold Faction whisked her away from the Blessed Isle.

You can read about her in Castebook: Dawn (predictably enough) for 1e.

>>96809833
I think Deled pretty clearly has fun when he's beating people up. That one piece of fiction with that duel over whether Exaltation is of the Dragons or from the Dragons is written from Deled's point of view, and he's definitely enjoying himself there. I'd even say that it's not clear whether Deled's fanaticism is the cause of his brutality or merely an excuse for it.

>>96812342
His excuse made it seem like he would still deny having fun. Mostly, he was smirking because he turned the question of who was correct about doctrine into a game of "who's the better killer", and he won it, so now there was no one to mislead others and cause them to fall from the grace of the dragons.

>>96810025
If you're a blatantly evil villain with enough style the audience will love you and the players will love beating you up. Not really hard to figure out.

>>96808896
>Even with access to the peaches of immortality, they cannot cheat their final day
When even the greatest life-extending thing in the setting doesn't work why would lesser ones?
And they never had set max of 5k years, it's until they're fated to die, which can be at max 5k.

>>96812424
Sure, fair enough, he'd definitely deny it, even if he is actually having a lot of fun whenever he gets an excuse to hurt someone.

>>96812604
>When even the greatest life-extending thing in the setting doesn't work why would lesser ones?
They're not the greatest life-extending thing in the setting and I'm not sure where you got that impression from. They're frankly mediocre, since they don't grant immortality. For most characters they only give a few centuries.

That quote is also, very specifically, about the peaches of immortality. The same phrasing could be used to say, "Even with Volcano Cutter, Jim Dragonblood could not be defeated," and this would not, in any way imply that Jim Dragonblood is undefeatable.

>And they never had set max of 5k years, it's until they're fated to die, which can be at max 5k.
I see we are making shit up now.

If two Solars Speed the Wheels on the same project, does it stack or overlap?

If a Solar and an Abyssal use Speed the Wheels and Efficacious Hierarchy of the Damned to speed the same project, do they stack or overlap?

Say there was a Solar and an Abyssal both at Essence 5, and the Solar was trying to push forward a project that would normally take centuries with Speed the Wheels and the Abyssal was trying to slow that same project with Cunning Subversion Style, does the effect resolve one of their charms first and then apply the other, does it realise they're supposed to be evenly opposed charms and cancel out back to centuries, and does it matter which of them showed up to apply their charm first? Say the Abyssal showed up to a shadowland and the mortals have a plan in place to wither it away with fertility rituals and blessed births over the course of centuries, and the Abyssal does the Cunning Subversion Style because they want to both be subtle and make sure it does indeed take them centuries. This has no meaningful immediate effect, because Cunning Subversion Style can't lower it further once it's hit years. Then the Solar shows up and goes, 'nice plan! let's do it faster!' and Speeds their Wheels. Does it go from centuries to one minute, since the Abyssal did their thing first and the Solar targeted the centuries-long task, and the Abyssal's magic doesn't automatically adapt to fight it? Does Cunning Subversion Style stop it from reducing at all and leave it at centuries, or does it push it back up to years, since that's the max CSS can prolong a task? Do they go to Essence roll-off?

>>96813441
>If two Solars Speed the Wheels on the same project, does it stack or overlap?
>If a Solar and an Abyssal use Speed the Wheels and Efficacious Hierarchy of the Damned to speed the same project, do they stack or overlap?
Simplest route is declaring the better modifier wins.

>Say there was a Solar and an Abyssal both at Essence 5, and the Solar was trying to push forward a project that would normally take centuries with Speed the Wheels and the Abyssal was trying to slow that same project with Cunning Subversion Style, does the effect resolve one of their charms first and then apply the other, does it realise they're supposed to be evenly opposed charms and cancel out back to centuries, and does it matter which of them showed up to apply their charm first?
Tally them up and substract the Abyssal's effect from the Solar's, any modifier left applies after that. Who applied their effect first doesn't matter, start with the baseline timespan.

>>96812342
>>96812424
>>96812460
The problem with Deled is that he's too one-note to even be an obstacle for the players to beat. He doesn't have anything going on for him other than being an asshole Immaculate. A cardboard cutout of a character isn't satisfying for a player to defeat, without the proper hype a battle is just rolling dice until someone keels over. Even a heel needs building up and a personality you can give a damn about, even if it's a loathsome one. Deled fails at all these criteria.

>>96814958
Deled's fine. He obviously has a personality, even if a loathsome one, spo just what you say you want. He's also fine because he doesn't exist in a vacuum but as a part of the Immaculate Order and the broader Dynastic society, and the way other people in his own society feel about him and deal with him is a part of the characterization of said society as a whole.

I've used Peleps Deled only once, it was a Dragon-Blooded game taking place in Greyfalls. I played him as straight-up Judge Dredd, tough-but-fair sort of guy but you didn't want to get on his wrong side because fudging the rules was not an option. The players were assigned to managing a garrison under constant attack by a local Lunar warlord and sporadic Raksha incursions, Peleps Deled was here to check on their progress and whip the sorry-ass outpost into shape. The absolute best moment was when the resident Water Aspect had to spend half his motes and all his Willpower as Peleps Deled grilled him for a progress report and the Water Aspect had to desperately hide he was cutting a deal with the Lunar warlord under the table to contain a Raksha incursion.

The undercover magistrate Earth Aspect with ties to the All-Seeing Eye was shocked when she realized the garrison's mortal overseer was Deled's grandson but didn't recognize him because Deled had cut ties with his family before he joined the Immaculate Order.

Anyone got that old post about how Earth Aspect women are the best wives?

>>96816053
This one?:
>A woman so loyal she goes berserk if anyone even tries to seduce her away from you and keeps every promise to you she's ever made.
>A woman who crafts her own discrete armor bikinis and keeps your daiklave polished, and makes you new ones every anniversary
>A woman so fucking tough her tits can deflect tank shells and she can dom half of your Lunar wives to a standstill, on her OFF days, plus bear you multiple children with every birth and be ready to fuck again in days.
>A woman with senses so sharp she always knows exactly when to lock her thicc af thighs around you and hold you balls deep inside her womb until you fill her with scions, and when to sneak up behind you, grab the ankles of the girl you're fucking and pull hard, burying you as deep as possible while you knock her up.
>A woman so brilliant in tactics she can lead your armies by your side or in your absence and turn your entire harem into a perfect morale battlegroup ready to do mass combat on your dick.

>Have a sworn sisterhood of DB concubines to bear your children, heck have five, but the Earth Aspect women will out-wife all others.

>>96817243
Sounds familiar, but I remember the post in question having a breakdown of Charms that would come in handy for the married life.

Why exactly should I spend my exp on charms instead of just maxing out Craft and making an artifact for every individual charm I care about?

>>96817407
If I was your ST and you proposed this I would immediately drop plot on you after plot and make sure you didn't have the breathing room or time to cheese the system.

>>96788853 (OP)
What artifacts have you designed personally, and what advice do you have? Where do you look for ideas?

>>96817407
What are some charms you wouldn't be able to use through an artifact? Ox-Bodies?

>>96817265
It's generally pretty easy to tell which ones are getting pushed, given the Aspect Abilities cited. (Note: May be different in 1e when War didn't exist and they had Martial Arts instead).

>>96817641
This is the kind of really boring answer I assume you’re not looking for, but I once made an ice-rimed bow that turns frozen air into arrows that splatter into bursts of snow. It was literally just an excuse to make a powerboy that imposes escalating movement penalties up to (Essence of wielder) and a token internal penalty. I made it mostly because I was curious to see how much movement penalties actually mattered in pitched combat.

I don’t really have any grandiose advice for making artifacts, all I can really say is in my experience it’s best to come up with a relatively simple mechanical idea first and save your grandiose ideas for fluffing it. If you actually want to play the thing at all.

>>96810025
This. Frollo is great because he’s a hypocrite with a whyboner. Scar is great because he’s a conniving careerist. Maleficent is great because she’s basically a model Infernal Exalt without all the gay “I’ve got a self-righteous cause” shite that 3e is selling for them, and she was ruined when Disney decided to turn her descent into evil into a rape revenge metaphor.

You don’t need to be a whiny hypocrite to be a great villain, you don’t even need grandiose plans. You just need great stage presence and presentation.

>>96819209
>she was ruined when Disney decided to turn her descent into evil into a rape revenge metaphor
But Infernals get gang-raped by a Yozi's soul hierarchy shortly after arriving in Malfeas.

For Lunars, which caste has the best anima powers?

>>96817407
What about prioritizing sorcery instead, what do you have to remember there?

>>96820158
In essence it is casteless; in 1e, changing moons were the Lunars' Lunars but the lack of appearance charms was damming.

>>96820158
>For Lunars, which caste has the best anima powers?
Depends on edition and for what purpose. For theorycrafting Casteless has all of them in 1e/2e/3e so it's them, and in Essence they get the strongest powers for doing anything, even anything the other castes are doing, so it's still them.

>>96820212
Even in 3e? None of the other Lunar caste powers compare to the casteless?

>>96820217

No Moons are generally the best in my opinion, the -2 to enemy attack pools is generally going to beat out the Full Moon power against peer enemies and the rest isn't useless by any means - the 1/day move is a free point of willpower even if you aren't casting and an easy way to sink your anima after an intensive scene. Casteless can only use the 1/day powers of the other castes, they can't get -2 vision penalty on enemy attacks from No Moon or the soak + movement boost from Full Moon.

>>96819951
I don't think that's making a return. (The exact words didn't explicitly say that, but using the term "sharing the Infernal's body"... hmm. Brm.)

>>96818652
Artifacts certainly wouldn't give you any OBT, but there's nothing that says they couldn't build off of it conceptually to do something else. Several Exalted types have very different Charms that build off of OBT or the equivalent.

>>96820430
>I don't think that's making a return
But neither are the nufernals going to be recognizable. It's getting to the point where the only thing currently linking them to 2e infernals is the name and association with malfeas. There's literally more in common between 1e Infernals and 2e Infernals than 2e Infernals and 3e Infernals from what we've seen so far.

>>96820212
Shame about that whole chimera thing though.

>>96821174
That's actually a bonus from a theorycrafting perspective. Chimera knacks are real strong. Admittedly the only ones in 2e with Essence prerequisites are Perpetual Regeneration and Perfect Regeneration, but those two blow equal-Essence charms out of the water, and the rest are better than the standard Essence 2 fare. It's mostly an issue of there only being a small pool of them, but the general trend is for stronger knacks than par level Lunars and the lore backs that with how it hypes them up as terrifying threats to normal Lunars such that they have a whole Wyld Hunt but Lunars as the hunters and chimera Anathema dynamic going on in the background.

>>96788853 (OP)
Weekly Update
>First Draft
Sidereals Jumpstart
First steps taken on the Sidereals Jumpstart, another jumpstart designed to give people a taste of what it’s like to play a Sidereal Exalted
>Art Direction
Infernals – Sketch feedback sent to artists
>Layout
Alchemicals
we'll probably hear about infernals soon enough. the current crowdfund is successful but has a somewhat poor turnout and infernals is set to be next. there'll be an ama on the white wolf subreddit on the 24th (friday) focused on it, so if you want to ask questions do it there if you can stomach it
fuck do i fucking hate cloudflare so much holy shit

>>96822242
>so if you want to ask questions do it there if you can stomach it
Man, got some serious mixed feelings about that one. At this point I'm not even sure if ripping into them for their fuckups is even worth it.

have lunars ever had an ability where they can just throw an animal at someone. i don't mean "get an animal and use the basic rules to throw something" i mean throw a full wolverine at someone who rips apart their enemy.

>>96824553
Summoning a spray of wild animals like a stampede out of jumanji seems more like a sorcery thing to me. 2e I think has some charms that lets you become a swarm of something, which could be wolverines possibly.

also throwing your animal companion using the throw rules seems almost exactly what you're asking for. just make a charm so they don't take damage if you toss em at people or something.

>>96824553
That's just and an Improvised weapon throw and maybe a stunt.

>>96824711
>seems more like a sorcery thing
...No? summoning a specific spirit animal or or something would be sorcery.
>>96824718
this describes like 30 percent of charms

An adult human counts as a Heavy weapon for attacking purposes, right?

>>96824777
I was thinking the exalted equivalent of taking magic missile but instead of a magic missile its a heat seeking wolverine. In Exalted magic is super extra so I imagine it'd be a lot of them. Or maybe just an absurd range...

Falling Star Beast: Yeet an ally into space so they fall at mach 10 at there target ten miles off. They don't take damage because you're using your anima to protect them and they get an initiative bonus.

Why are suicidal orders such a big unattainable taboo? They work in real life all the time.

>>96825449
>Why are suicidal orders such a big unattainable taboo? They work in real life all the time.
To limit you justg coming up to every villain and just spend a little bit of resourcess to make them kill themselves.
And you can still find ways to make people commit suicide you just have to use your opponents intimacies like someone supremely loyal being tols to commit seppuku or tricking them into unsurvivable conditions like "let's resolve this in a contest hunt and kill this cat and you win" and once they agree they discover the cat is a full moon lunar.
https://youtu.be/b7Jt8wX_fu4?si=6iCJZxv3YNcGul3w
Generally being able to make your oponent commit suicide is extremely OP.

>>96825534
But you can just kill people with a sword no problem. Why?

>>96825543
I suppose that even if ou can just murder him it is still more dangerous and incriminating.
It's easier to order someone "go to your room, close the door and commit suicide"
Than killing him in the middle of the ball and let everyone see you or take the risk of entering his room later and murder him and slip out unnoticed.

>>96825590
*laughs in Night Caste*

>>96788853 (OP)
to whomsoever updates, the final version of the Essence Novella Omnibus can be found in f1l3b1n
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/6x8xuzzrtv2817og
though the file itself seems unaltered. it is however a collection of already released novella, so maybe that's just the state of it

>>96827365
Uploaded. If I don't hear otherwise I'll jsut assume that the link works.

What's the difference between an Ally and a Mentor?

>>96827496
it works, thank you

I know that it is possible to make a sorcerous working that "meddles with the flow of time" of a city sized region. However how much would you guys it is alright to allow it? How much does the Hippocampus Timber Chamber alters time? Do we have examples in 2e or 3e that I missed?

>>96803189
Make wonders or talismans for it.

Solars can do those.

>>96809993
>The Unconquered Sun himself showed up and enacted a decree to reinstate the Solar Deliberative.

You forgot the part where he declared that Carjack Ketchup was a failure incapable of managing Creation and that no Sidereal should ever listen to him.

>>96817407
A Sidereal thieving squad came and stole all your artifacts when you were sleeping. They left you alive to farm you for more artifacts later.

>>96825534
>To limit you justg coming up to every villain and just spend a little bit of resourcess to make them kill themselves.
>Generally being able to make your oponent commit suicide is extremely OP.
But that's much less powerful than just making them turn around and fight alongside you, which does work. As a balance limit it's a silly hill to die on.

>>96827570
An Ally shows up to fight with you, and helps out when you're having trouble or collaboration would be a good use of time. A Mentor doesn't, but is more powerful/influential at equivalent dot ratings, and instead they do stuff in the background to advantage you (providing you resources and contacts and training and so on).

>>96829293
>A Mentor doesn't
According to what?

>>96829299
Words written in books. Fuck off if you're going to ask a question and then pull shit like this, anon.

>>96829431
The book doesn't say that.

>>96829437
If you fail to understand something as simple as narrative roles Storyteller may not be for you anon.

>>96829577
So it wasn't written in the book anymore?

>>96829580
The narrative roles are written in the book nincompoop.

>>96829742
None of this >>96829293 is in the books.

>>96822242
Just woke up, don't suppose you know when it starts?

>>96810289
1. Dominion rules take precedence. To affect a Dominion, you need enough Paced and enough Multiple - usually a lot. It could reduce the Interval, but only for the relatively small Dominions. This is by design, as the benchmark is an (X) = 6 First Age Solar being a god-king of his city-state and having enough (X) to directly affect it. Such charms, while possible, thematically represent the "brute force" miracles. If you have dominion larger than your (X), you can't do them at all - not enough Multiple.
2.Whoops, I seem to have forgotten to include it. Should be unable to Deny influence for a period of time and acquire a detrimental Feature representing some relevant problem.
3. ST's choice, so basically, eyeball it. But you have given be an idea to put this in Advantages somewhere maybe.
4. It could. I'd say you can benefit from a maximum of (Trait rolled) Features. Leading actions essentially just lend a Trait to another character, including a Dominion. So the Features would provide their effects as usual, and you could potentially apply more Features if the leader's Trait is higher.

So yeeeah, Dominion rules are a bit junky. They do not often come up in my own campaign, so I did not have much opportunity to playtest them extensively. If you have any feedback, it would be appreciated. Dominion rules is just one of the many things I need to refine for the 3.0.

>>96829963
>HE'S FUCKING BACK
And so are we. Glad to see you again, man.

>>96829803
17:00 bst, so a bit less than 2 hours i think

>>96827570
>>96829293
1e described it better. An Ally was some dude with a vague but important relationship you had and which you could call on in a pinch (friends being one of the example). Meanwhile a Mentor was explicitly a patron, not an equal and intentionally a more powerful distant and unreliable figure. You picked Ally when you wanted to ensure some dudes would show up to help you, and generally Mentor was the one you picked if, eg. you wanted a senior Exalt to give you training with the commesurate risk that you became their minion. So, Followers = minions, Ally = one/group of relative equals, Mentor = your boss.

>>96830417
Thanks! Shit, have to leave at 2. Really I just wanted to ask what the deal is with them getting rid of Devil-Tigers but (allegedly) keeping inner worlds and 3CDs, and demand a straight answer once and for all on whether 3e Infernals are supposed to be Green Solars or the actual champions of the Yozis. Especially with how much more narratively unfulfilling the idea of "Solar Charms, but objectively worse" and nothing more is as a charmset.

>>96830417
>>96830452
Leave in 2 hours, I mean

How does Sacred Kamilla's Inhalation work when you don't kill an individual character but kill enemies belonging to a Battlegroup?

>>96830612
>How does Sacred Kamilla's Inhalation work when you don't kill an individual character but kill enemies belonging to a Battlegroup?
It is honestly a struggle to work out what the heck you're asking about.

>1e
Neither charm nor battlegroups as a concept exist.

>2e
Sacred Kamilla's Inhalation targets corpses, not characters. It doesn't care if you killed them, if they used to be part of an army, whatever. Also, battlegroups don't exist in this edition.

>3e
It's not a charm that exists, yet.

>Essence
Sacred Kamilla's Inhalation targets purely battlegroups, so the question is still nonsensical.

>Demake
Not a charm that's been written yet.

>>96830612
Based on the fluff for her in Compass: Malfeas, I'd rule it can totally engage in standard mass combat rules.

>>96829803
They just announced it, by sending a message to everyone over discord

Talking about it, did they do an AMA for the other splats?

>>96830697
Yeah, but do you get one hour of free breath, or do you get a number of hours proportional to the number of enemies you killed? And what is the ratio if that is the case?

>>96829963
Thanks for the answers! This clarifies a few things I needed to be able to thoroughly experiment with this system, as one of my players has taken some interest in it, and I've always wanted to try it out anyway.

Once I've gotten a better grasp of it, I'll post some feedback for you that will hopefully be helpful.

what sort of effects do you expect to show up in the new infernals book? Radioactive fire is going to be an obvious one and I expect the wish charm to make a come back. Are there any mechanics you want to see Infernals interact with? Mine is Introduce Facts.

How do you think Demonic Tattoos are gonna be handled?

>>96820255
Why would you say that the full moon's power is generally weaker than the no moon's, additionally what makes the Changing Moon's anima powers a non-factor?

What are the names of Infernal castes in 3e? I keep forgetting.

>>96833886
its based around space stuff so i wanna say nazir and horizon are ones.

>>96831241
Just caught up. Well, that was as trite and uninformative-one might even say, numinous-as I expected. Pros: Devil-body apparently being independent of Charms (it's the closest 3e is getting to the transhumanism angle), Yozi geography being included, Infernal linguistics involving some means to make books spawn like polyps, the confirmation of Infernal subsouls.

Meh: Mortal societies in Malfeas, the artifacts.

Cons: Everything else, but especially once again the confirmation that Infernals do not use Yozi Charms. Fucking Alchies get to have all the transhumanist fun.

>>96833715
>what sort of effects do you expect to show up in the new infernals book?
I have no idea what to expect anymore, because Essence's representation of Infernals felt like a kick to the teeth but the devs keep trying to claim that there's totally more exotic Charms waiting in the wings, honest. At this point I've given up all hope on them being anything but an insult to everything I enjoyed about Infernals to begin with. The Infernal equivalent of safe horny.

>How do you think Demonic Tattoos are gonna be handled?
Numinously.

>>96833886
Azimuth (Dawn), Ascendant (Zenith), Horizon (Twilight), Nadir (Night), Penumbra (Eclipse)

>>96834633
I maintain all those names fucking suck. Associating Demon the Fallen houses with the champions of the Yozis for literally no reason except to make fans come up with convoluted theories is kind of silly too, but I get literally nothing from these.

>>96834633
And what is each Caste's criteria for selecting someone to become an Infernal?

>>96834519
>Meh: Mortal societies in Malfeas
Why are the yozi choosing from creation instead of from their own stock?

>>96834691
The uniting factor is that the Yozis choose from those wronged in some fashion, as its the only thing they can really wrap their heads around in regards to human life. This causes slap-fights in this thread as this may be interpreted as making them not a villain splat or something to that effect.

>>96834814
Actually it was the other way around, Infernals ended up as chudcore with their "perceived oppression".

>interpreted as making them not a villain splat or something to that effect.
In essence, they outright gain exp for fighting villains.

>>96834803
Not enough information was given in the AMA to extrapolate an in-universe reason, but the blatant out of reason is "we wanna make every setting more FRIENDLY and PLAYER FACING to HUMAN characters" because either the writers are softies or they think their players are.

>>96834814
>This causes slap-fights in this thread as this may be interpreted as making them not a villain splat or something to that effect.
My issue is that there's too much overlap, a LOT of Exalted origins can be defined as "I was wronged but I did X", that and I take deep offence to the ideas of the Yozis being able to wrap their heads around human life at all.

>>96834889
As seen here >>96834814
There's a lot of overlap with lunars-as-freedom-fighters.

And the Penumbra caste is outright about social warriors who checked their privileges.

>>96834814
Also desu "avenging injustice" is just fundamentally less metal than the selfish cocaine & hookers motivations in the original.

>>96834922
Yeah, I don't know where 3e defenders get off on trying to claim Infernals aren't social justice warrior Exalted when you have to do serious mental gymnastics to NOT read one of the caste stereotype as that, they could've said something like "They have seen a crown that fits better on their head and know they deserve power more than the weak and feckless fools around them" but NOPE, they really had to evoke that self-righteous angle.

>>96834837
I suppose, but Essence takes liberties not seen in the mainline. For one thing, Solar charms are good in Essence.

Anyway, I'll just post some things of interest from the Q&A the devs did today regarding Infernals on the Discord.

>Infernals, like Solars and Abyssals, can select an ability to be their Supernal ability. Here its called a "Primordial ability", but its exactly the same as those other two splats.
>Devil-Body is a once-per-story power akin to the Greater Sign anima powers of the Sidereals. Each caste has a different trigger to activate it, and from what I gather, the universal way to trigger it is (if they keep it unchanged from the teaser in Crucible of Legend) to hit your -4 health levels. Charms can be taken to improve its power and make it easier to trigger. One such improvement is giving yourself multiple Devil-Bodies to choose from,
>It seems like a lot of the old shintai charms are separate charms from Devil-Body.
>Soul hierarchy charms are universal and you can start building up your own from Essence 1.
>Like Abyssals, the obligatory MA/Sorcery chapter will be heavily focused on Sorcery over martial arts.
>Infernal Monster has been folded into Infernal Brawl rather than remaining a distinct MA, same as Solar Hero Style.
>All Yozis are represented in the charms.
>Charms that cause permanent mental/physical changes (such as Cosmic Transcendence of Virtue and Hateful Wretched Noise) are not mandatory prerequisites for other charms.
>Apparently Cytherea gets a little more of a description, in addition to a few charms inspired by her.

>>96834988
Accidentally undid my crop of the dev's spoilers regarding Cytherea. Much better.

>>96835005
Well, I don't hate it. I think that phrase is going to be the most positive thing I'll be able to say about anything re: 3e. Still fucking pissed about how obnoxious they are with turning Infernals into Green Solars and nothing else.

>>96835005
Why didn't you post the full text about Cytherea?

>>96834988
>once-per-story power
Thanks, I FUCKING hate it.
>B-but the old shintai charms are still there-
I don't care.
>Infernal Monster has been folded into Infernal Brawl
I would be more alarmed by this if it wasn't for 3e's consistent toning-down of the setting meaning that there is probably going to be fewer enslavement themes in One Hand Fury (if it's even still in there) and it's going to be more like Immortal Malevolence in how lazily low effort the relevant Charms will be tweaked.
>Al Yozis are represented in the charms
And there it is. The pathetic fucking copout that fails to explain how 3e Infernal Charms are not, objectively, a downgrade.
>Charms that cause permanent mental/phsyical changes...are not mandatory prerequisites
Oh fuck this, that was part of the fun.

>>96835029
This is what one of the writers posted as a teaser.

>>96835044
Strange how they keep these mystery boxes.

>>96835036
>And there it is. The pathetic fucking copout that fails to explain how 3e Infernal Charms are not, objectively, a downgrade.
I'd say more Yozis is strictly an advantage, as is framing things around the structure of abilities instead of a loose mess of charms associated with one Yozi.

>>96835071
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm all for having more Yozis show up in the charmset. My first problem with that premise is that Essence made me very concerned they had give up on idea since they basically just took 2e Charms (and Infernal Monster), declared they weren't actual Yozi Charms, and called it a day. If they're in-good, I love the idea of book-abalones or whatever weirdness Oramus brings to the table.

My second problem is more conceptual than mechanical. I really don't like Infernals no longer using actual Yozi Charms because that just means they have Solar Charms mutated to be limited to Yozi themes, with no capacity for change or improvement.

>>96835049
They know that's all the edition has going for it, probably also why there isn't a fucking devil-star in Hundred Devils Night Parade.

>>96834988
>Devil-Body is a once-per-story power
booo
>All Yozis are represented in the charms.
yaaaay
>Charms that cause permanent mental/physical changes (such as Cosmic Transcendence of Virtue and Hateful Wretched Noise) are not mandatory prerequisites for other charms.
yaaaay
>Soul hierarchy charms are universal
yaaaaaaaaaaay
>old shintai charms are separate charms from Devil-Body
okay.

>>96835036
>Oh fuck this, that was part of the fun.

then take them if you want them. gating charm trees with charms people don't want is shitty design.

>>96835125
>then take them if you want them. gating charm trees with charms people don't want is shitty design.
I'm not as bothered by this one as I am by all the other shit I complain about honestly, I really liked the idea of Charms imposing inherent limits in exchange for greater focal power on a concept but from a game design standpoint I do understand the appeal of more flexibility.

>>96835049
Anon, its just a teaser. By your definition, the trailer for the unreleased film Zootopia 2 is a "mystery box" because it does not reveal any spoilers the creators wish to keep hidden until the movie is released.
>>96835107
>My second problem is more conceptual than mechanical. I really don't like Infernals no longer using actual Yozi Charms because that just means they have Solar Charms mutated to be limited to Yozi themes, with no capacity for change or improvement.
I always found the fact that Infernal charms are literal Yozi charms very at odds with the rest of the game. The other splats, after all, do not use Unconquered Sun charms or Luna charms or Neverborn charms. They are Exalted: dangerous mortals with a power beyond that of their makers. Centering the Yozis as the source of all Infernals charms is a confusing deviation with little pay-off and also makes me wonder why they bothered saying that the Infernal Exaltations were formerly Solar Exaltations if there's so very little remaining of their former form.

>>96834814
Ascendants seem like the best caste, most likely to have the best drugs and the wildest parties. Nadir are second. Penumbra seem to be the lamest.

What I don't get - if the Yozi can only relate to us because of our failures and suffering then why the heck are they spending all that time to give us super powers to make creation better. Don't really understand the game plan there. The only thing I can see is them hating the old system so much they don't care if the new one is better or worse, they just want the old creation to burn. I don't know, just thinking.

>>96835152
>I always found the fact that Infernal charms are literal Yozi charms very at odds with the rest of the game.

It's just a flavor thing, keeps them feeling different in the fluff. Practically speaking it didn't really mean anything. Instead of what ever demon powers, you want it themed around the Yozi and what they do.

>>96835152
>I always found the fact that Infernal charms are literal Yozi charms very at odds with the rest of the game. The other splats, after all, do not use Unconquered Sun charms or Luna charms or Neverborn charms
Really? I found it to be completely harmonious with the baseline ideas of the setting dating back to 1e, when the Dragon-Kings had their own unique practices involving bonding with spirits. Or where the Lintha got their power from having a symbiotic relationship with Kimbery. The Exalted aren't demigods in the sense Heracles is; godblooded are much more impressive. I always liked the idea of Charms being a sort of sympathic link to a divine power as shown by some Abyssal Charms directly invoking the Neverborn or that 3e Sidereal Charm that literally sics Adorjan on someone (yes, in 3e Sidereals are better at channeling the direct power of the Yozis than Infernals are. Fuckssake), and I saw Infernals as an interesting extrapolation of that premise on a higher scale.

>>96835166
Also this. Using the ACTUAL power of the fallen titans is just objectively cooler than owning a Solar Exaltation that is merely a bad copy of them.

>>96835154
>Don't really understand the game plan there
I liked the 3e preview explanation that the Yozis are living some kind of vicarious power fantasy through Infernals as their vessels. But yeah, with how divorced the new 3e Infernals are and the baffling social justice warrior-like take for them I genuinely do not understand what they're getting out of it.

Unless they're changing the Yozis to be so fundamentally different all prior interpretations, even 1e, that they actually like being in Hell.

>>96835154
>The only thing I can see is them hating the old system so much they don't care if the new one is better or worse, they just want the old creation to burn
I think that's what they're going for in regards to the decision of the Yozis to make the Infernal Exaltations. By taking Solar Exaltations and warping them, they've pissed on the Unconquered Sun's authority and now have 50-ish Exalts that owe them and have a grudge that needs settling.

>>96835196
So... are the Yozi using their infernals to get high? Are we their new Games of Divinity? curious...

>>96835216
I mean, I was ready to get myself angry about how little thought 3e seems to put into changing the setting, but it wouldn't be the worst explanation there could be.

>>96835215
>that owe them
>and have a grudge that needs settling
You'd think the Yozis would put at least as much effort as, say, the Cult of the Illuminated into at least aiming their Infernals at their ancient enemies.

>>96835196
>I liked the 3e preview explanation that the Yozis are living some kind of vicarious power fantasy through Infernals as their vessels. But yeah, with how divorced the new 3e Infernals are and the baffling social justice warrior-like take for them I genuinely do not understand what they're getting out of it.
I will stick to what I thought 3e infernals was which sorta that the Yozis just give power to people likely to wreck what the Chosen do and enjoy watching causing chaos and mayhem in Creation out of some sorta spite where if they can't have Creation nobody else gets to enjoy it.

How do i get into this game?

>>96836328
Read a bunch of books, then probably read a few stories like Keychain of Creation. Talk about it with friends if you've got any. Spam up the discord. Run a game, or get lucky enough to join one that'll accept randoms, or get invited by someone you've been talking about it with.

>>96836432
Keychain of Creation's a really poor intro unless you specifically are trying to get into 2e-specific jank and quirks with the tone of those gamer comics that were meta and ironic about mechanics.

>>96836587
>Keychain of Creation's a really poor intro unless you specifically are trying to get into 2e-specific jank and quirks with the tone of those gamer comics that were meta and ironic about mechanics.
Yeah, but 2e is the best way to draw somebody into the game, being the best presentation of (the modern understanding of) the game's premise, and Keychain of Creation is one of the best ways to bring that to the fore. Someone posting here, in /exg/, wants what it says in the threadhead:
>An epic high-flying role-playing game about reborn god-heroes in a world that turned on them.
They don't want philosophical drama or even gritty and hopeless sword and sorcery juxtaposed against powerful heroes who can make a difference, they want absolute gonzo nonsense with a cool plot and absurdly hype storylines. KoC is a great recommendation for getting people into Exalted.

>>96836730
>absolute gonzo nonsense with a cool plot and absurdly hype storylines
I'd argue KoC didn't really develop much of that either before abruptly stopping. It had potential to, and promised it might, but the author stopped well it was still in the phase of funny 2e gags while the actual plot was just starting to develop.

Exalted vs World of Darkness is interesting but I run into this common problem.

I don't really get lunars enough. So maybe you guys can help me. If you were in the colonial era, world wars era or even medieval time what sort of historical or mythical or legend you would use to describe a lunar? I know werewolf is about as easy as you can get. Although they're suppose to be more than that? Are they essentially loki? The chinese monkey guy? Zeus pissing on that one chick to make the minotaur?

If i'm honest, i'm not 100 percent sure on what to comparison you'd make with the other Exalt types. I guess you can just call a solar hercules and call it done. No clue with a sidereal and dragonbloods are well just elemental spirits.

>>96836810
Loki, Odin and Thor all fit for different reasons. Grab a big handful of Germanic paganism and you can get a good grasp of it. I personally feel like the overemphasis of the shapechanging aspect is detrimental to the other themes of the Lunar, that is the barbarian tribesman, the walker among savage animal worlds, the bloodthirsty pagan witches, everything that gets bundled up into the savage and wild other can be put into the Lunar camp and quite squarely.

>>96836803
>I'd argue KoC didn't really develop much of that either before abruptly stopping. It had potential to, and promised it might, but the author stopped well it was still in the phase of funny 2e gags while the actual plot was just starting to develop.
Nah. The keys were an overarching plot that was cool but only got started on it's Arc 2 and you're right on that, but that was a B-plot from the start. A vehicle to move the narrative between cool storylines and sharper plotlines, which there were a bunch of that got handled and resolved throughout the comic. Their time in Nova's Alchemical city was a cool story, or Ten Winds thing with the All-Seeing Eye was a good plotline that was properly explored, though it could've gone further.

The 'actual plot that was just starting to develop', if anything, was Secret's, and it was a shame we didn't get further into that than introducing everybody and why they care.

>>96836827

You believe that the shapeshifting limits lunars even if it's suppose to be their great strength? I never thought about it that way. I always thought of lunars as the embodiment of the nature world. Not the elemental way that dragonbloods do but pretty much the absurdity of animals to thrive as well as ecosystems. Why do you feel Loki, Odin, and Thor work though? Unless it's just as simple as Thor is a full moon, Odin is No Moon and Loki is Changing Moon?

>>96836810
Despite of being touted as a "Bronze Age Mythology game" exalted is actually middle ages wod based game.

Because of this certain splats don't match mythological archetypes.

For example, Dragon-Blooded is based on Kindred of the east lore, ad Lunars were made to bait Apocalypse players.
If you give Lunars sun wukong stuff for Lunars, heads will spin in pure seething.

But despite of this Exalted has too many other influences that makes it incompatible with WoD.
Most notorious Sidereals and Solars.

Sidereals are servants of the archetypal "fate sisters" goddesses; and are analogs to figures like luck gods such as Lakshmi, and angels; the latter is the reason for why they get halos instead of anima banners.

>>96836810
>what sort of historical or mythical or legend you would use to describe a lunar?
All Exalted are their own thing. Solars aren't really like Hercules at all - Hercules is much better in his specialty and much worse at everything else. Lunars aren't really filling the mythos of Loki or Son Wukong or whoever else, they're just doing their own thing. No mythology you reference is going to be wholly accurate because Exalted weren't directly based on them.

A decent way to think of them is to look at their themes and realise that, rather than having powers based on their themes, the writers wanted them to have certain powers, so they wrote those powers and added some thematic fluff to fit them into the themes afterwards. Even if it's an effect you think would be wildly off-theme, like iunno ghouling people, you could still write a charm as a Solar empowering people by feeding them their absurdly resilient blood, empowering them and kicking their organs into gear.

>>96836827
>>96837005
>the overemphasis of the shapechanging aspect is detrimental to the other themes of the Lunar
Yes, unlike every other Exalt the Lunars are built around a mechanic that doesn't scale up. Every Lunar starts off strong because of their shapeshifting letting them fill any niche, but every Lunar also falls off quickly as they find that they have no options which let them take shapeshifting more powerful, only options which make them better at shapeshifting. They can shapeshift faster, or into bigger or smaller creatures, but the fact is that there are limits to the animal kingdom that don't exist on 'skills taken to unrealistic extremes' or 'reality warping' and that they even sometimes get scaled by 'skills empowered by the elements' because the people writing for Dragonblood think they want to do something and use the elements as an excuse, while the people writing Lunars often just want to be better shapeshifters or do animal themed things.

>>96836810
Enkidu. Robin Hood. Yeren. The Green Man. Tarzan. Start there.

>>96837066
>Robin Hood
Okay I'm the one saying Exalted don't really parallel mythology because they aren't based on them, but this is still the most clear Solar character in the world. Seriously, Robin Hood? He's even got his hulking lieutenant who fights with barbaric strength, the loyal Little John.

>>96837005
I think thinking of them as shapeshifter-Exalted has been detrimental to how people conceptualise Lunars in general. I say the best way to understand a Lunar is to think of the ways they're the antithesis of a Solar. Because throughout Exalted they've had a few hard mechanical differences running through them that are very simple to understand but which would help you understand what a Lunar represents. The big one is that they're of the wilderness. Now shapeshifting ties into this, but fundamentally they're the Exalted of the wild places, of the anti-civilisation. They are what settled, urbane societies imagine when they think of barbarian tribes and monsters from the wilderness. The big reason I pointed to Germanic myths is because the Germanics have spent a very long time well into the Middle Ages in that exact role. Strap in the holistic idea of "barbarian hero" and jettison the idea that a Lunar needs to shapeshift.
Citing Conan here is a cliche.

>>96837056
I for one like Lunars a lot more to think of them being the generalist Exalted over the werewolf guys. Their theme of being ability-focused and being just as dangerous with or without a whole nation backing them up should be in the fore. Lunars shouldn't compete with the obsessive savant who mastered the blade but if you drop both of them naked side-by side and make them wrestle then the Lunar would have the obvious advantage. They must be able to plug a much broader roles in a group and one which just works.

>>96837105
I could see it when you imagine it as him fighting a guerrilla war from the wildnerness against the unlawful rulers of the world to bring back the rightful king, but that is a very 2e-centric take.

>>96837105
Little John can be argued to be a dawn, to Robin Hood Night.

>>96837125
It can be argued the other way around, the barbarian and "animal" themes put a hard cap on Lunars shapeshifting and charm design; in 1e, they couldn't get social or appearance charms because of these themes.

>>96837005
>Not the elemental way that dragonbloods do but pretty much the absurdity of animals to thrive as well as ecosystems.
They aren't, Dragon-Blooded got plants too, and Sidereals got the rest in their 1e survival charms.
It is implied that Lunars had ecosystem stuff, but they didn't have it in 1e.

Thor is a dawn, while the other 2 are more Sidereal like; Lunars are too angry savages to be them.

Perhaps any Lunar discussion would be a lot shorter and clearer if everyone opened with a description of how they headcanon Lunars.

>>96837205
The problem is that Lunars are contradictory, and screwed by being masters of none.

For example; "Lunars are the wildness!!!" But Dragon-Blooded and Sidereals get the biomes.

Caste book wood outright said that Tarzan is a source of inspiration, with one of the examples being a survivalist.

>>96837205
Takes too many words and this is an anonymous forum with a character limit. Just interpret as best you can.

>>96837198

My German religion isn't that great. I can see calling Odin a sidereal, but he's define by his fight to avoid his final fate is what I thought. Loki being a sidereal seems odd, but if there is anyone who embodies cheating bastard it is him.

Like the one poster calling Conan a lunar can work. It annoys me because i'd rather give that to solars. The head canon view I have of lunars is that they are suppose to be the rival or the second to solars. If you ask me why though is where I struggle. Lunars make for the great generalist, can shapeshift into almost any creature, person, or environment, they can both master sorcery and necromancy to the second degree, but other than that? The lunars only seem to excel in one thing and that's the ability to survive in any situation where other splats might struggle.

>>96837422
>The lunars only seem to excel in one thing and that's the ability to survive in any situation where other splats might struggle.
Do they, even? They're touted as being able to survive where other splats can't, but frankly they get uberfucked by the Wyld without intervention from an artifact, and anybody can survive the Wyld with an appropriate anti-wyld artifact. They have a really, really bad time in the Underworld, where everything is spectral and therefore not shifting targets, where there even is anything animated to think about eating, and they don't have any easier time dealing with deathly essence than anybody else in editions where it's a thing. Don't even think about the Labyrinth, and Malfeas is even worse even if you only think about the initial problem of clouds of toxic gas - do they even have an answer to that, other than to just have poison resistance? Which, incidentally, is something every splat can do.

Basically they have a tough time in any of the outworlds and most Lunars probably can't survive in them. And while Lunars can probably survive in most of Creation's most mundane wildernesses, so can everybody else, and Lunars aren't even particularly slanted towards being ALL able to do it either. I have run/played Lunar games and somebody not taking Survival and getting dumpstered on those rolls still happens.

If it's more of a, 'wow this situation is really hard because there's all these guys attacking' then guess what you're just arguing that Lunars are good at combat. A splat whose one serious claim to fame is being Solar-tier good at combat is kind of the problem we're looking at, especially when their peers in Creation are also all Solar-tier good at combat if they want to be.

>>96837463
>>96837422
Honestly thinking of it, of all the directions they could take Lunars, just making them actually the uncontested best fighters in the world from early to late game would not be an awful way to go. Just let Full Moons be better at fighting than Dawns, but worse at grand strategy, and most of the thematic issues go away.

>>96837496
Please no. We don't need to make Lunars more one-note than they already are.

>>96837463
>>96837496

Usually when I think of lunars it is from the full moon point of view rather than Changing Moons or No Moon pretty much never pop up on reflecting the competence of the lunars other than being able to shapeshift. It's weird, but every time lunars are talked about it's usually in a combat situation. No one really talks about a lunar being able to deceive heaven by subsuming the fate of another. Which they could do in 2e, but too much effort when you can kill better.

>>96837422
>Like the one poster calling Conan a lunar can work. It annoys me because i'd rather give that to solars.
Caste book dawn outright copied the frost giant daughter for Yurgen origins.

And despite technically sharing the "anti civilization" theme of Howard's works, it is only surface level.
Lunars are anachoprimitivists, compared to Howard's "stop being two faced opportunist snakes".

Lunars actually have more in common with the degenerate savages that Kull and Conan fight.

>>96837547
>Lunars are anachoprimitivists
In 1e.

>>96837552
They never really stopped, see 2e Ma-Ha-Suchi.
Even when 3e and Essence tried to move away from it, there's still shades of primitism in their writing.

>>96788853 (OP)
to whomsoever updates, the final version of Crucible of Legend is in
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>>96838347
Uploaded. Will likely delete the older version later.

I've a question for anyone who has played using the 3e homebrew "The Devils Are Here" or is at least familiarized with it.

>>96838438
>>96827496
don’t delete either of the prior files yet please. the source i got them from uploaded an abyssal version with correct page numbers but other important details uncorrected that purportedly were fixed in the final version. in a prior share thread there was a person who shared a gofile source I sent to you for the novellas who claimed that all the other files were final versions even when demonstrably they weren’t. it became a bit of a thread dispute, and i’ve come to think this abyssal file and the other two files i recommended this thread were just given page references and reuploaded separately. i don’t know if it’s an attempt to meet the demand or just a trolling attempt to stop my file requests. please withhold on deleting them for now and sorry for the mixup

>>96840058
Alright. I'll hold off until you give the okay.

Why do spirits not have Excellencies in 3e?

>>96837594
>what is the Thousand-Streams Project
Dumb nigger. If anything 3e walked it back to make them retarded shit-smeared barbarians all over again.

>>96840687
They wanted spirits to be less strong. As much as Exalted PCs have been turned down the main flaw in 3e is that the rest of the game/setting has been shredded even further.

Note as well that it's only QCs who don't have Excellencies. It may be the case that non-abbreviated spirits do have Excellencies and they're only shit because they're QCs. Octavian has an Excellency because they wanted to prove that at least one NPC could be a real fight, for example.

Protip: There's nothing wrong with statting important NPCs as if they were player characters with XP proportional to their puissance. This is especially true for fellow Exalted.

>>96840687
Because in 3e no one matters besides the exalted.

>>96841555
The problem is the Charm system, they will end up having pages of charms.

>>96841574
>Because in 3e no one matters besides the exalted
No, it's the antagonist/player character divide instead of the Exalt vs non-Exalt divide. Just look at all the Dragonblooded quick characters that are worse in their specialties than chargen PCs.

>>96841805
>No, it's the antagonist/player character divide instead
Bro, Nothing is playable except for the exalted and maybe mortals, and that is the problem, as the devs don't have a need to develop anything else.

>>96841579
Just print them and use flash cards. Worst case scenario if you're a mental turtle use an AI assistant

>>96836827
I miss when Odin was only used as an example of what the Tell is and not stretched to explain Lunars further.

>>96840687
>>96841474
>>96841574
The fundamental problem with 3e is that it's written as if the player is a giant baby who will cry if shown too many complex concepts all at once.

>>96842191
I miss when the whole point of Yu-Shan is that it's a flawed bureaucratic hellscape that would absolutely not tolerate a demonic embassy there.

>>96842446
>I miss when the whole point of Yu-Shan is that it's a flawed bureaucratic hellscape that would absolutely not tolerate a demonic embassy there.
Could've sworn that 2e had an embassy to Hell within Heaven, albeit a very token one that was constantly monitored.

>>96842472
Almost like it pays to have your enemies where you can see 'em.

>>96842472
It did. Marilaq a’Lam, p. 146 of Compass: Yu-Shan. It's also mentioned ambassadors of the Deathlords are known there too, and Saturn is speculated to be making a big old embassy to the Underworld. Frankly, it's sort of silly to expect no ambassador work there, if only because ambassadors have always been spies and therefore if ambassadors are in intelligence can watch the ambassadors.

>>96842593
>It did. Marilaq a’Lam, p. 146 of Compass: Yu-Shan. It's also mentioned ambassadors of the Deathlords are known there too, and Saturn is speculated to be making a big old embassy to the Underworld
Compass: Yu Shan was seriously so ass. I mean, really. It feels like it made people retroactively more stupid or overwrote something written previously every other sentence.

>>96842715
I'm not a fan of that book but I'm not sure what's objectionable about Yu-Shan having embassies to places like Malfeas or the Underworld.