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Shredder Edition - No not that shredder, the other shredder

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper format
https://pdhhomebase.com/
https://www.pdhrec.com/

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: Do you ever swap decks with friends?

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

Give me a WUB blink commander

Eminence is kino.
They should print a bunch more cards with it but also print cards that can interact with the command zone.
I.e. "Exile target commander creature from the battlefield or command zone. Its controller may only return it to the command zone at the beginning of their next end step."

>>96821086
Rhystic Emperor 4UUUU
1/1
Eminence - While this is in your command zone if a player plays a spell they may pay 1 otherwise each other player draws a card

>>96821086
No. The command zone should not be interacted from or with.

>>96821095
Why?

Dude Where's My Car 1RUB
Sorcery
Target player exchanges command zones with another target player

Where's the rest of them?

>>96821105
Commander should not be catered to. The command zone was not invented by wotc. They should not print any card which refers to the command zone

>2025
>still no good Vamp tribal commander alternative to Edgar

Your opponent taps 3 mana and casts this. What do?

>>96821165
Why does that matter? Commander itself wasn't invented by wotc and now it's the face of the game with hundreds of commander-specific cards.

>>96821173
It really is crazy how the other vamp legends basically do nothing that would make them a worthwhile commander for the tribe.
Clavileno is okay but he's much slower than Edgar and misses a color that's kinda necessary to use a lot of the best vampires.

>>96821175
I pack up my things and leave the store and never come back

Village Lefts B
Instant
You may sacrifice a creature instead of paying this card's mana cost.
Draw a card.

>>96821176
Commander was never intended to have specific cards.
> but muh heckin Vampires
Oink oink

>>96821208
HE DID THE MEEEEMEEE

>>96821208
edh wasn't
commander was

>>96821215
>I do 3 damage to myself for no reason
Self harm is not ok

>>96821175
I ask him if Walking Ballista is in his deck.

>>96821218
You missed the fact that your enchantment is indestructible but it's too late now, it's already in your graveyard.

Tepes, Tomb Defiler - WRB

Legendary Creature - Vampire

First strike

You may cast Tepes by discarding three cards instead of paying its mana cost.
Rather than pay {2} for each previous time you’ve cast this spell from the command zone this game, discard a card that many times.

Other vampires you control get +1/+1.

Discard a card: You may cast a vampire creature from a graveyard. Activate this ability only once per turn.

2/1

>>96821173
They should print this and i'd drop Edgar.

>>96821224
What is this jedi mind trick shit?

>>96821211
>edh wasn't
>commander was

> corporate wants you to find the difference between these 2 pictures
> theyre the same picture

>>96820124
Chainer is pretty cool. Run him in a few decks and every time he usually pulls his weight and then some. Seems like it would be a fun build around.

>>96821134
Expensive durdly artifacts is part of the Grixis identity.

>>96821173
It's funny that when we finally get a mardu Olivia she's outlaw support instead of vampire. I don't think they'll ever print something on par with Edgar.

>>96821254
doesn't even need to be on par. There's just no other option that is mardu and actually supports vampires.

>>96821227
Name's too close to tapas, just throw out the whole concept and start over.

https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3Atdm+t%3Avampire&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
>mardu
>vampire(s)
huh?

>>96821284
huh?

>>96821280
What're you Spanish o la mierda?

>>96821265
You know, you may be onto something. There are a couple of vampire assassins. Also gets me thinking, if you give all your creatures the Assassin type with something like Conspiracy, and then exile them with Altair, you can make copies of them even if you lose Conspiracy because all he cares about is Memory Counters, right?

>>96821280
Idk I just went with Tepes as a generic vampire placeholder name.
Honestly now that i think about it they could probably still buff the reanimator effect a bit.

>>96821083
I'll give you my decklist instead:
https://moxfield.com/decks/37jxO_Cu3EuLyesiY90Pow

>>96821269
Bizarre to think with how completely flooded with creatures the vampire tribe is, that Morophon may actually still be the best alternative to Esgar for mardu vampires. He does technically discount them and give a buff. I don't know why they can't give the tribe and color combination some like of new tribal legend.

Tapas, Tomb Reveller

Legendary Creature - Vampire

First strike

You may cast Tepes by sacrificing three food instead of paying its mana cost.
Rather than pay {2} for each previous time you’ve cast this spell from the command zone this game, sacrifice a food that many times.

Other vampires you control get +1/+1.

Sacrifice a vampire or blood token: Create a food token

>>96821269
Bizarre to think with how completely flooded with creatures the vampire tribe is, that Morophon may actually still be the best alternative to Esgar for mardu vampires. He does technically discount them and give a buff. I don't know why they can't give the tribe and color combination some new tribal legend. It's fucking vampires.

>>96821287
there's only two vampires cards across 4 tarkir sets

>>96821319
Change food to treasure/blood tokens and change the last effect into a once per turn tribal reanimate in exchange for a treasure/blood token and we're set.

>>96821041 (OP)
>TQ
Not really. We did a bit when we first got into the game and our decks were mostly just precons but not anymore. Admittedly, it was fun seeing someone else trying to figure out whatever I put in my deck and potentially find some interaction I didn't think of at the time or play differently.

>>96821041 (OP)
>TQ: Do you ever swap decks with friends?
We only did one time passing to the right.
A friend did borrow one of mine once

>>96821330
But tapas=food

>>96821302
No Mastery of the Unseen?

Why do Commander players want Kinnan and Yuriko legal more than monoW Rhys the Redeemed?

>>96821302
I'll play this when they whitewash the art.

>>96821366
I could add it although the trigger effect would barely work in this deck

>>96821380
I think Kinnan should be banned for being disturbingly hideous

>>96821405
play my proxy

>>96821380
>why do commander players want color identity to remain intact
God I fucking wonder

Okay there we go, the vampire commander to be an actual Edgar alternative.
Also makes use of blood tokens since i think they're not really utilized well currently.

>>96821165
They've co-opted it for effects that they don't want touch like emblems and planechase planes. Too bad they aren't permanents though.

>invade the format with more UB
>suggest allowing hybrid pips as either colored pip
>"we know that Sol Ring is broken, but we're keeping it in respect of Sheldon's memory. crypt still banned tho LOL"

>>96821442
You lost that battle the moment WotC realized they could print a meaningless WUBRG ability on commanders.

>>96821380
>we don't want to ban rhystic studies because it's too iconic
by that logic, wouldn't any card that is overpowered (and therefore overused) be too iconic to be banned?

>>96821509
>a card has a color identity even if it's stupid
>vs rewriting the rules that define color identity
not the same, even if i agree that that system is ALSO stupid

>>96821176
>commander-specific cards
Commander-specific cards should not exist, and the ones that do should all be banned.

>>96821380
Those cards were never banned

>>96821564
Why?

>>96821583
It's an excuse to introduce further power creep, which is one of the two major factors destroying this game. Same with the creation of non-commander format-specific cards that never existed within standard; they're obviously powercrept compared to the baseline cards. I don't want to get on a tangent about how FIRE is directly responsible for most of the bullshit going on now, since you've probably heard it before.

>>96821620
I don't really agree about FIRE design so we'll just have to agree to disagree

>>96821583
Legacy gets to use them as well

Post cards that should be banned

>>96821647
Why should etali be banned

>>96821647
Can you stop crying about this?

>>96821647
Some fucker locked down my gilded lotus with this all game this thing is clearly out of hand

Post a card that makes little white alien forum guys on /r/ edh violently cry, breakdown, piss, and shit themselves.

Pic related.

>>96821647
>Post cards that should be banned

>>96821173
Gavin and co are actually very dumb and they build cards for decks they like while ignoring decks that are popular among the playerbase. This is why we don't have a popular Markov alt for vamps despite it being one of the top 5 most popular tribes, why we have outdated angels despite them being top 5, no Krenko alt for Gobs, etc.

We're going to have to wait until a UB set forces them to make a whole bunch of new cards tor the creatures that are already popular within universe, because God knows they aren't going to anytime soon.

>WAAHHH WE GOTTA CHANGE THE BANLIST
>WAAAAHHHHHHHH WE NEED TO CHANGE COLOR IDENTITY
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WE NEED TO CHANGE BRACKETS AND GAMECHANGERS
How about.... we just leave the good format alone? Everything is fucking fine right now.

>>96821755
>why we have outdated angels
nigga we literally just got Giada in the last couple years. What the fuck do you mean "Outdated" she's obscene.

>>96821757
I wish they would stop fucking around with shit once people get comfortable with it.

Post a card that makes little white alien forum guys on /r/ edh violently cry, breakdown, piss, and shit themselves.

Pic related.

>>96821757
>>96821768
If you need to add social rules to the game to make it not a miserable slog, then that means the game rules don't actually work.

>>96821779
This has been the case with edh since its inception though.

>>96821779
It's literally impossible to have a casual format remain casual without a social component, you can't regulate people into building fun decks and not minmaxing.

>>96821108
Its supposed to be 1UBR

>>96821779
This is such a bad comparison that it's almost hard to explain how alien your understand is.
>DBD
>The real issue is entirely a matter of feefees and not wanting to lose in an otherwise balanced experience (also RNG is a nigger)
>EDH
>millions of combinations and tiers of deck strength and wanting to be playing against similar ones so you just ask/talk to people about it

All blue counterspells should be gamechangers.

I'm playing Breya, Ichor Wellspring is great in the deck as a 2 mana draw 2 with additional upside as sac fodder but how many copies is too much?

>>96821786
>>96821789
Believe it or not, that doesn't mean that you should just give up and hope your game stays playable, especially when the designers are trying to appeal to new players that have zero fucking experience with card games and will have no reservations about building decks that violate social contract until the game turns into prisoners' dilemma.

>>96821794
>DBD
>Otherwise balanced
Not even that anon but you actually are fucking retarded if you think it's not the exact same situation where your build/playstyle can warp the game outcome at the cost of being the most unfun shit ever.

>>96821284
The mean Vampires in Savaii colors

>>96821801
Depends on how bad you wanna draw cards. If you use Panharmonicon (given Breya has an ETB as well) you can double up the enters trigger from them and draw even more cards.

>>96821760
Giada is a good Commander. Angels themselves are largely outdated and poorly designed, under powered with a smorgasbord of random abilities (a lot of which are useless) and wildly overpriced for their effects.

>>96821819
No amount of good build changes if you suck at chases, anon. In EDH you can slot extremely strong cards and combos in that definitely can just win the game instantly, such as Thoracle/Consultation, the myriad of Walking Ballista combos, etc. I know you think you're really big brain and so smart because you compared two games where people piss their pants like retards but it's extremely hollow and pointless. Commander has more depth and breadth than a simple, low-complexity game like DBD and the idea that just simply talking to others when you sit down to play is like acid thrown in the face of some of these retards.
"Hey, I see you have Kinnan there, I'm not in the mood for that kind of game, do you have something different?"
If they say no, you can simply power up to compete with it, or play with someone else. If you're at an LGS, chances are there aren't only 2 humans in the entire building unless you live in the absolute dead center of bumfuck nowhere.

>>96821757
This but 5 years ago

Can we get Hobbit spoilers already? The only deck I'm interested in building is Food and I know they're going to drop a good Hobbit architect Commander to help me feed my queen.

>>96821851
Now that's a real woman.

>>96821844
No amount of good chases fixes a 4man SWF with 4x syringe. Enemy team literally getting double resources does in-fact change the outcome.
>J-Just rule 0 and power up to match them!
and then you quickly arrive at the "no rule 0" situation where you're playing the miserable slog that is cEDH where a clinically retarded person stalls for 4 hours because he doesn't have it but wants you to think he does.

>>96821757
>We should leave the format alone
>aside from brackets. Keep those
Brackets were a bigger change than banlists or hybrid mana. Basically a new format.

>legal in Edgar
>exile on every eminence 1/1
lol

>>96821851
There's going to be at least 15 Bilbo's

>>96821873
Yes, I also agree with that, but at this point they're here and I just want them to leave it alone so we can forget about it.

>>96821876
Yesss please make it happen wotc

>>96821873
>or hybrid mana
Removing color identity from Commander effectively removes Commander from existing.

>>96821660
It is orders of magnitude stronger than cards currently on the ban list

>>96821908
It's a gorillion mana timmy card

Finished my latest deck. Need feedback.
https://archidekt.com/decks/16912866/b2_ezio

>>96821959
I just got eye cancer from looking at that, bravo. I'll proxy it up for EDH night tomorrow.

>>96821917
It's a cedh commander that can be cast turn 3 every single game then cast 20+ cmc of spells for free every turn. I've played against it hundreds of times and never seen it whiff.

>>96822007
>ban card cause of cEDH
Fuck no

>>96821884
Color identity is already optional.

>>96822022
It rapes extra hard in casual honey bunny

>>96822007
>it's cedh
no it isn't but also hilarious to say it can always be cast turn 3 lmao

>>96821757
>WAAAAAHH LEAVE MY CARDS ALONE!
>YES, WOTC MAKES ONE MISTAKE AFTER ANOTHER WHEN DESIGNING CARDS, BUT I NEED THEM NOW!
>PLEEAASE HOW COULD YOU TAKE MY TOYS AWAY
Two can play this game.

>>96822038
>retard that doesn't understand color identity tries to look smart
jesus christ you people, just play a different format if you hate the concept of commander so much
>>96822043
>leave the cards alone
Yes

>>96822053
>"Hybrid cards will kill the game by letting decks splash anything they want!"
>Okay I'll just play a 2-mana commander with 5C identity to splash anything I want
>T-That's totally different because... it just is!
It must be hard being this autistic.

>>96822007
>turn 3
too slow. turn 1 or bust

AIEEEEEE MY COLOR PIE IS BREAKING THIS IS WORSE THAN THE TIME RAGAVAN EXILED MY BESEECH THE QUEEN AND CAST IT FOR 6 MANA!!!!

>>96822072
>I have to build a specific deck to use specific things
Vs
>I can slot these azorious cards into my mono white deck
You're not really smart but I appreciate how you also hate 5 color abilities on low-color creatures but they aren't violating identity, they were designed specifically within Identity's innate limitation. I would rather a hundred of these than a single hybrid card being allowed outside of its identity as a multicolor card.

>>96822072
but why would you ever put this in a deck that can't activate his 5 mana ability?

>>96822093
Ragavan makes treasures, why would he cast it for 6 retard?

>>96822093
>6 mana
unrealistic since Ragavan makes a treasure on hit meaning you could play it for 5 mana instead of the full 6

>>96822099
I can't imagine why a 2-mana card with "Lands you control enter untapped" would be desirable.

>>96822160
which commander?

>>96822096
>>I have to build a specific deck.
Ah yes, because with 5c access and a replacement ability that improves land ramp, I truly am extremely limited in options. There's very few things you can do with a lot of mana and no restrictions on how to use it.

>>96822175
Every other green commander.

>>96822189
then why not use him as the commander?

>>96822178
>anon figures out 5 color has lots of options
I'm glad you learned something in this discussion at least

>>96821541
that is exactly what they are saying. bans never ever and dockside will rape the format again

>>96822235
and how exactly does forcing monoC decks to be marginally worse without hybrid cards improve the format? If your answer can be reduced to "I'm autistic and the hybrid symbols trigger me," your opinion doesn't count.

>>96822261
>why cant mono color decks use multicolor cards
There's this cool rule called Color Identity, anon.

>>96822246
okay so why don't they unban the iconic power nine?

>>96822270
Autism, got it. Your opinion can be discarded.

Are there any other "must have" 0 mana cards like the moxes (chrome, opal, amber, diamond)? I'm building a first sliver deck, and I want to be as degenerate as possible. Every cascade will be guaranteed to grab a mox (or other 0cmc card) for me. I was thinking profane tutor may also work since it's technically 0 cost too.

>>96821061
Hear me out. What if we reduce the life total a further 10 points to 20, limit deck sizes to 60, and allow 4 of each card?

>>96822288
Unironically if they didn't ban it back in fucking 2005 they would still be legal with the RC spouting cope about how they're exciting, rare, and self-select.

>>96822294
>lose argument
>ad hom
>discard opinion of the correct
Lmao concession accepted, never change anon

>>96822309
>N-No! I actually won! I'm not having an autistic spergout over colors not matching! I-I'm actually laughing!
I accept your concession.

>>96822312
>no u
You can have the last word if you like

>>96822338
>I won! I won! I'm actually walking away right now! Everyone look at me walk away because I won!

post irl decks

>>96821620
i get your point about powercreep but if you're going to kvetch this hard then just play 93/94 for the 'purest' mtg experience
retard

>>96822360
This becomes pointless when we do it every single thread, anon.

>>96822378
yeah and we argue about pointless shit every thread as well so we might as well keep it up with the deck posting

>>96822368
Or we could play 2015 modern and be happy.

>>96822360
https://archidekt.com/decks/16912866/b2_ezio

>>96822392
>or we could play 2015 modern so we can have twin mirrors all day
>because fuck wotc for powercreeping twin
roru rumao

>bring up the potential of hybrid mana rules change in my pod
>they immediately accept it and get hyped about the new stuff they can include and start recommending stuff that was previously off-color to each other
>check out the internet
>everyone is pissed because seeing a tiny red smudge in an otherwise monowhite deck tickles the deepest corners of their autism

it's a good thing that "we're looking for feedback" is just a facade to a decision they've already made to increase Lorwyn sales and that hybrid mana changes are basically legal already because if it were up to you retards we would not have a single good change

I hope they remove commander damage next just to piss you off even more

>>96822360
I don't have an updated pic, but I recently traded some fast mana I wasn't using for a copy of The Abyss.
https://archidekt.com/decks/14368354/breya_edh
>>96822378
Better than endless shitposting about brackets and UB.

>>96822504
back in my day we played 4 mana 5/5 with drawbacks!

>>96822546
>just remove color identity
Nah

I wanna build her but idk how many lands to include in a sorta-landfall deck.
What do you guys think, 42 maybe?
Any other ideas for stuff to include would be cool too, idk what i'm doing really.

>>96821086
You should stop wholesale parroting the opinions of your favorite youtubers. We both know you watched that video.

>>96822573
I watched it and disagreed because he spent half the video shitting on the most fun Eminence cards.
I think they should make more cards like Edgar.

>>96822558
thanks for admitting that the deepest corners of your autism were tickled lmao

>>96822546
it's a good thing that "we're looking for feedback" is just a facade to another decision they've already made (that rhystic will never be banned because wotc needs it to bring value to future packs lol)

>>96822573
We need fewer Snail opinions and more Trinket "unban Mind Twist in Legacy" Mage opinions. Imagine the shit this chucklefuck would come up with.
>{B}
>Sorcery
>Exile target commander card in the command zone. It can't be returned to the command zone this turn.
He would then spend 15 minutes saying it's actually healthy design that helps out white because of Pull From Eternity.

>>96822571
you need:
many many lands
landfall payoffs
big creatures

>>96822551
Creatures stil didn't regularly get up to cmc value for both Power and Toughness without a drawback until very, very recently.

>>96822656
I instantly release a massive shart

>>96821108
there's one command zone, like how there's one exile zone. also like exile you don't control stuff in it (except emblems), certain actions allowed by the game like casting your commander depend on ownership.

>>96822656
I give him a 5 hour lecture on how changing hybrid mana is the only thing that can kill Commander.

>>96822634
X cmc creatures for X/X have been going on for a very long time now newfag

>>96822288
them being reserved list they won't generate any shekels for wotc

>>96822072
I should build a YoshiP deck
I fucking hate taplands

>>96822571
That creature is so insanely pushed, there's no way it doesn't get hated off the board as soon as you play it. 42-46 seems right to me, you can play the onslaught cycling lands to help avoid flood and of course Flagstones.

>>96822701
In green, yes. Green always had the best creatures, a green creature should always haveP/T on curve.
Pic rel was a HUGE point of discussion when it came out.

>>96822748
>2012
thanks for proving my point

>>96822763
If 2012 is "old" for you, you're the cancer that's calling magic and I am not joking.

>>96822782
That's over a decade, anon.

>>96822788
And magic is a 30+ year old game, new friend.

>>96822809
>1/3 of 30,000 is 10,000
>therefore 10,000 is a low number
lmao

>>96822823
1/3 is small compared to 1, yes.

>>96822838
it's only small or big depending on the topic
a 33% to get a terminal disease after doing something innocuous is pretty high for example
and being 100% btfo about this topic about creatures is also pretty big too kekw

>>96822861
Yeah you did get 100% outed as newfag scum. Open your final fantasy and spooderman packs piggy!

>>96822874
uh oh UB melty!

>>96821380
>mono white rhys the redeemed
With absolutely ZERO rule changes this is already 100% legal to build and play, without any rule 0. Baffled by this post.
>>96821509
>meaningless
Heh anon I guess you dont know color identity
>menace
Black
>lifelink
White
>trample
Green
>creatures
Red
>you control
Blue
This shit is as wubrg as they come son

>>96822861
>kekw

>>96822727
Yeah idk how she isn't used more with that many good abilities, she does like everything.

>>96822892
>>you control
>Blue
I laughed, fuck you

>>96822892
8/10 got a chuckle.

>>96822861
>kekw
go and stay go zoomoid

>>96821576
>Those cards were never banned
correct and this fact will forever elude the majority of /edhg/

I hope to god this can get a UW reprint, so many of the UB commander deck cards command such a high price.

>>96822899
>>96822924

Turns out magic isn't dying anytime soon

So I was at my LGS with a buddy, and someone got into a fight with him over how cascade interacts with spell costs.
>friend cascades into a Profane Tutor
>he announces it's a valid target since it has no mana cost (basically 0), and because it was not played from his hand, it plays instantly instead of having to be suspended
>guy argues that's not true and that he has to pay both suspend cost AND wait 2 turns
The best I can tell, my friend was right. Does anyone know definition if this is how it works?

>>96822969
hasbro is dying though
mtg just happens to be managing the life support

>>96821092
>4UUUU
Tell me about Rhystic. Why does he wear the mask?

>>96822973
Cascading in to a suspend card casts it instantly for free. That interaction was the entire basis of a modern deck.

>>96822987
That's what I thought, and that's also hilariously disgusting.

>>96821041 (OP)
more like put my cards into the shredder because this semen-slurping game isn't for me anymore
lol owned

while we're at it can we ignore commanders while counting for companion's conditions? and maybe unban Lutri as well?

>>96821105
The whole entire point of EDH is playing your commander, a funky legendary creature that is almost certainly unplayable in any other format. That is what it always was and always should be.

With eminence you don't have to play your commander, and thus it is a mechanic that goes against the entire spirit of the format. Similarly, interacting with the command zone would be bad design because it would result in fewer commanders being cast.

>>96822892
>this is already 100% legal to build and play
the intent of that post is with the hybrid rule changes of 'hybrid legal in monocolor,' so not a monowhite rhys, but a rhys in some other monowhite commander.

>>96823092
unbanning lutri would be the same as unbanning sharazad and nadu; all design mistakes that are too egregious to be kept alive, regardless of actual power level

>>96822973
>>96822987
Multiple Modern decks even

>>96823092
The problem with Lutri is that even if you hard restrict it to Izzet (lol), it's probably the best companion in EDH (even barring the fact it's free) because it's an effect that goes infinite.

>>96821829
tbdesu if it was up to me I'd just embrace this identity. If angels are all wildly overpriced, continue making them overpriced and print lots more angel-tribal cost reduction/ramp pieces, ideally making them angels themselves.

>>96823092
>>96823135
Actually they should unban Lutri and then errata the entire Companion mechanic out of existence
Look at Vintage's meta and tell me it wouldn't be justified

>>96822973
Your friend is weak sauce. I'd brainstorm Restore Balance to the top then cast Ignorant Bliss while it's on the stack.

>eminence
thanks gavin!
>companion
thanks mark!

>>96823163
point taken even without lurrus vintage will always be an unchanging meta of shops vs. dredge vs. combo vs. hatebears until the end of time

Simply pretend the nu-RC doesn't exist
that's what it's all about

>>96823324
The nu-RC is doing a better job than the old one

>>96821687
Nobody likes Rhystic Study except for people who are bad at the game.

>>96823331
You know I hate the fact you're right because the last update was steaming dogshit but we're still ahead of 5 years of hearing "Dockside self-selects"

>>96823331
you sure can say that doing a bad job is at least doing 'a' job

>>96823351
t. bad player assmad at being asked to pay the 1

>>96823357
not doing a job is by far preferable
don't fix what isn't broken

>>96823352
>>96823357
Unironically yes
They'll never be able to replace R0 (and they're not trying to) but fumbling to try to unfuck things is a hell of a lot better than the RC plugging their ears and hoping the pushed niggercancer will go away on its own

>>96822571
Please don't build her, she's obnoxious as fuck to play against and a 'must be removed the moment they are cast or else the game is over' commander.

>>96822954
Just proxy it with custom art and no cringe Dr. Who quote.

>>96823376
Problem is that the very "people" making pushed cancer are now the ones trying to cultivate this cancer as well

>>96823363
Rhystic study is everything wrong with card design

>>96823406
Substantiate your claims

>>96823324
Food Network UB when?

>>96823406
Etali, Primal Conqueror is everything wrong with card design

>>96823413
Not them but it's a card that reads
>if 1 person at the table is a retard, you win the game
I do run it in any deck with blue in it though

>>96823385
My LGS is full of pubstompers so i think it's fine there.
Could you give me some pointers on how to play her maybe? I feel like there would be multiple ways to run her.

>>96823414
Food Tokens were a mistake

>>96823413
It's game warping everywhere from cedh to the most casual battlecruiser game and it exclusively creates miserable game patterns.
It's extremely annoying to be constantly asked "do you pay the 1" every time you want to do literally anything, and if anyone doesn't do that, at any point, the rhystic player will run away with the game. It puts everyone in the table in a prisoner's dilemma where they must all perfectly cooperate or give one player an enormous advantage.

>>96823433
only 1 retard not paying the {1} will only draw you 1 card per turn cycle which is the same rate as phyrexian arena
it has to be 3 retards, and at that point you've already won even w/o playing rhystic

>>96823452
>prisoner's dilemma
that's literally what happens if a player is ahead for any reason, rhystic or not

>>96823471
It's 1 per spell, lot of people will cast 2-3 spells a turn.

>>96823413
Sure.

It's an obnoxious card that does nothing but slow the game down if everyone agrees to deal with your gay card, or if someone is an idiot they hand you the game by not paying the one mana every time.
Stax effects can be fine, but not when they are this broken. Smothering Tithe is in the same category of boring, overpowered, and not fun to play with.

The card and design of it create extremely dull games where the blue player, as usual, makes the game as unfun as possible for everyone else in order for them to run some gay ass 2 card infinite combo that wins the game instantly.

>>96823436
The other anons told you everything you need already, really. Thalia Gitrog is insanely pushed as a card and it's really hard to build it in a way that doesn't win you the game the moment she sticks to the table for more than one turn.
>>96823424
I personally dislike the card since it's boring, but it isn't anywhere near as bad as Study or Tithe.

I dont consider Edgar a very good commander. I think there are plenty of 2c and even some 3c options although orzhov is the ultimate vampire combo

>>96823471
A lot of the cEDH crowd at my LGS figured out that paying the one isn't an insurpasable tax on your resources and that doing so significantly lowers the winrate of someone that resolved a rhystic study. But a lot of people play greedy as fuck so they just let the rhystic player draw like 10 cards and then cry about it. People always say that Rhystic Study is the strongest card in cEDH but I genuinely believe that Ad Naus is stronger, for example.

>>96823501
It's as strong as lame combo enablers like Ad Naus or Consultation.
Really, all of them should be banned for being boring.

>>96823484
There is a difference between the natural dilemma that arises from someone being ahead and a card that literally enforces the dilemma in the table until it's removed. If anyone stops putting their feet on the brakes at any moment, Study pays for itself, and once someone slips in full or decides to not pay, the blue player drowns in card advantage.

>>96823500
Flavorwise I'd say rakdos is better if you like gangrel-style and orzhov is better if you like ventrue-style

>>96823500
Orzhov vampires are based as fuck since Ixalan vampires are easily the coolest ones.

>>96823501
A card that relies on everyone else perfectly cooperating and calmly accepting a downside to not be busted is busted. Either it's an one-sided Sphere of Resistance which is already pretty decent or it just wins you the game.

>>96823500
Vampires, in general, are just not that strong of a tribe.

>>96823543
I have a friend who thinks that Rhystic Study and The One Ring are 'perfectly fair and balanced cards', yet complains whenever they are instantly removed. It's funny.

>>96823543
>A card that relies on everyone else perfectly cooperating and calmly accepting a downside to not be busted is busted.
>look, we want our pods to be wet and wild, ok? we want to backstab people, not sweat!!
you already can, it's called bracket 2

>>96823577
Or... you can simply not rely on a crutch in your blue decks, when blue is already the most overpowered color in MTG.

We get it anon, you're bad at deck building and need to use overpowered cards.

>>96823159
his copy effect is only if you cast it, how does it go infinite?

>>96823584
You know you've lost the argument when you gotta pull out this shit lmao

>>96823577
Rhystic sees play in cEDH, I don't know why you feel the need to lie about it. Even competitive players often refuse to pay the 1 because it'll mean putting their feet on the brakes, which can be legbreaking

>>96823595
There is no argument. Rhystic Study is overpowered and broken, this is a fact. You being bad at the game and needing to use overpowered cards is not an argument.

>>96823600
nobody cried about rhystic this hard back and jewlotus dockside and crypt were legal fyi

>>96823452
What are those miserable game patterns?

>>96823615
Probably because those cards enabled colors other than Blue to do broken bullshit too, even if they also enabled Blue player degeneracy.

>>96823601
>rhystic is broken and i hate it being an auto include!!
>no i will NOT play in bracket 2 because i'm a big boy!!
kekypow

>>96823621
Blue players already create miserable play patterns with counterspells and control. Rhystic Study gives them more cards to continue controlling the game.

>>96823621
1. you have to ask 'do you pay the 1' every single time an opponent casts a spell. this is fucking annoying on both ends, and can also slow the game down massively as it introduces a trigger to remember for one player and a new decision point for the other to every single spell played
2. at a table of mixed experience, it is extremely easy for the rhystic study player to run away with the game easily because someone newer who doesn't understand the threat posed by card advantage gives them the draw every time. this is miserable for the other player who are losing through no fault of their own and for the new player who doesn't understand why everyone is getting mad at them
Cards shouldn't just be banned because they're broken; though Rhystic is broken, it should also be banned because it feels like shit for everyone at the table and makes the game slower, more complicated, headache-inducing and drags everything on for no real gain. Upheaval is also banned because it essentially resets the game to 0 and makes everything last 2 extra hours, for one.

>>96823632
I play bracket 3 and 4 usually. We still all shit talk people using boring and overpowered staples because the point of EDH was never to just include every overpowered staple card, it was finding fun and interesting ways to make weird jank into powerful jank.

>>96823650
Yeah you pretty much nailed it. I bet the guy defending Rhystic also thinks that Tabernacle is a fun and interesting card.

>>96823622
exactly so thanks for admitting there are stronger cards than rhystic
because you know retards will just cry for the next card to be banned once they get what they want with rhystic lol

>>96823671
I never said those cards were stronger than Rhystic study, though. You are a disingenuous faggot which completely checks out with the way you are talking about this card. You probably play it against scrubs in local game stores because you can't possibly play against someone on what you perceive to be your own level.

Try making a deck that is actually fun for once, anon. It's great.

>>96823668
>we don't play sol ring cuz we're edgy hipsters
stunning and brave

>>96823702
Sol ring should be banned for being boring, yeah.

I wish the old RL stuff was cheaper, I wanna build with stuff like Chains and Nether Void

>>96823650
Slower games are good thoughbeit
You want to play fast games go play BO1 standard on arena

>>96823686
i only play rhystic once i've established with the pod that my deck is bracket 3+ and the pod is ok with it, just as gavin intended
and no, i don't care about pleasing your deckbuilding sensibilities, who the fuck do you even think you are? lmao

what's the average number of aristocrat lifeloss effects? gut + iron throne deck
I feel like I should could back on some of the 4cmc ones

>>96823720
Rhystic makes the game slow for everyone besides the person playing it, because they aren't allowed to do literally anything without giving the blue player a card.
>>96823722
Sure you do, buddy. If you want to have as little fun as possible and play the exact same cards as everyone else for 'efficiency', go play CEDH. It's a joke of a format, much like you are a joke.

>>96823720
It's not making the game slower because players are progressing less or because it's reducing the speed the board it's impacted. It's making the game slower because you're constantly interrupted by someone asking you something and there's more shit to keep track of.
Should we play with a guy who periodically kicks each player in the shins because the pain will interrupt the game and make it go by slower?

>>96823732
wow I'm drunk
>average number of cards with aristocrat lifeloss effect
>cut back on some of the 4cmc ones

>>96823633
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO LET DO THE THING I WANT TO DO THE THING I WANT TO DO THE THING
Posts like this are the reason I will never go below 15 counterspells in any deck

>>96823709
>Sol ring should be banned for being boring, yeah.
>fuck you all for using the same cards you are all the same
>i'm different though fr fr

>>96823747
Sure, go ahead anon. Counterspell everything you'd like! I am still swinging for 21 damage at your face with my commander.

>>96823738
>stop messing up my bracket 3 pods with your staples!!
>i already said i don't want to downgrade to bracket 2 because i'm a big boy!!
>ur a joke!! A JOKE!!!
hahahahahaha

Kinda cool
>B: Each opponent discards a card
>Right toughness to skullclamp afterwards

>>96823668
>it was finding fun and interesting ways to make weird jank into powerful jank
that's only the case if you are an advanced player who went deeper into the game than you average normalfag.
new players and normalfags know too little about the game to build a mechanically unique and interesting deck.

I feel like a retarded, insane person with this hybrid mana discussion. 'Oh it was designed to be able to work in mono-colored decks', ignoring that Commander is the only format with strict color restrictions. If a card has multiple colors (hybrid or not) it is explicitly considered multi-colored. How is this even a discussion? I saw someone try to equate it to off-color fetch-lands.

If this change happens, just get rid of the color restriction all together. And while we're at it, get rid of the singleton rule. Get rid of commander tax.

>>96823668
>my once casual games have now been tainted because other people can't help but optimize
but enough about 60 cards

>>96823807
WOTC is entirely to blame, as usual, for being jewish.
>>96823786
Nah, even as a scrub you can look at two weird cards and go 'hmm do these work together well?'

>>96823668
Woah this card would go great in my orzhov control deck.

>>96823764
I think you mean *I* am swinging for 21 at your face with your commander

>>96823826
Sorry buddy I'm playing Gruul.
Red Elemental Blast into Seedtime

>>96823823
>trading card game has powercreep? it's the jews
holy /pol/

>>96823823
>Nah, even as a scrub you can look at two weird cards and go 'hmm do these work together well?'
One in a million case, exception to the rule. Noobs are too overwhelmed by the sheer amount of mechanics to build anything cohesive with niche mechanics, and normalfags hate thinking.

>>96823855
I got a friend into MTG a few months ago and he was quite excited to look through tons of cards and see what weird interactions he could find. The average person who is interested in card and board games is a bit smarter than a normalfag.

>>96823851
nta, but jewish behavior is about scamming you.

>>96823851
>>trading card game has powercreep? it's the jews
Yes.

>>96823851
I'm jewish and I think it's extremely jewish what WOTC has been doing with the game.

Pic related, a Blue player.

>>96823859
>WELL MY FRIEND
>the average card gamer is smarter... because!

>>96821509
Who is the target demographic of this horse shit? UB is going to be an utter disaster.

>>96823942
>Who is the target demographic of this horse shit?
hasbro

>>96823851
got em

>>96823942
>Who is the target demographic of this horse shit?
me

>>96823862
that would be the entire gambling industry then not just mtg

>>96823942
>UB is going to be an utter disaster.
depends entirely on the IP

>>96823859
and those """smart""" people usually build powerful staple decks first to test the game's limits before they will maybe (definitely not always) start trying more obscure mechanics. this is not some deep psychological science, this is how every single hobby works.

also
>getting banned for namend the hebrew
since when is this a thing around here? haven't been posting in a month or so

>>96823997
Agreed, thoughever I am Star Trek fan but I’m going to guess that most people will hate Star Trek mtg. I will be slopping out and buy collector boxes. Marvel slop is all shit and all the nickolden cards are just pathetic and creepy incel shit.

>>96821086
Only if it's something fun, like eminence for turtle, wall or ape. No serious shit, like zombies, elves, dragons or eldrazi.

Containment Sweep
{w}
Instant
Until your next turn, if a permanent would enter and it wasn't cast from a players hand exile that card instead.

>>96821509
You could change the name of this to literally any 5 color slop commander and it would be exactly the same. This is such atrocious and dull card design

>>96824016
It's probably that one anon that people are making fun of for thinking Rhystic Study is a fun card getting butthurt and reporting people.
>>96824073
Dangerously based.

I always knew Deflecting Swat shouldn't have been a gamechanger. It's an annoying card but doesn't drastically change the pace of things unlike Cyclonic Rift or Teferi's.

Jin-Gitaxis doesn't make sense being removed because that for sure is still a gamechanger.

>>96824016
Some salty anon spams reports you on here when you disagree with him. I got 3 days for calling him a Jewish golem yesterday.

>hmmm today I will decide to trade tempo loss for insane card advantage for an opponent, and then later be mad about my own decision that fucked the game for the other two players as well

I hate Rhystic for being an auto include staple, but wanting it banned is peak commander brain

>>96824141
Entomb T1 targeting Jin
Reanimate T2 targeting Jin

Bracket 1 legal btw

Cat's out of the bag. Smothering Tithe is the most normie card imaginable.

>>96823775
You will get jumped in the parking lot for playing discard thougheverbeit

>>96824016
/tg/ jannies have been a bunch of faggot crybabies for many years now

>>96823775
While it is a cool card design, discard decks in commander are obnoxious as fuck and will get you rightfully killed first for making it impossible for anyone to play the game until you are dead.

>>96824152
>Bracket 1 legal
only if your theme is being a pubstomping retard

>>96824200
My theme is Black/blue phyrexians, anon! It's a thematic deck!

any of you playing the eoe station lands? if yes how are they performing?

>>96824200
I will never understand the faggot that shows up to commander night with a 3000 dollar deck to stomp people with precons and simple custom decks.

>>96824141
Deflecting Swat is absolutely a GC, WotC is just retarded. It goes in every single red deck and is easily more powerful than Force of Will.

>>96824209
my theme is cedh and it's very thematic

>>96824269
i get your point but i think they let swat go free to bandaid the problem of red just generally sucking as a whole in edh

>>96824275
Jokes aside, you can still do entomb into reanimate in bracket 3 and it's completely legal there.

WOTC just has no fucking clue what they are doing, and it shows.

>Coalition Victory is still a game changer despite costing an obscene amount of mana
>Kinnan is fine because turning your sol ring into a better thran dynamo on turn 2 is not at all broken

BRING BACK MY ZESTY ELF

>>96824289
But that's the problem: the card isn't "just" for mono red. It's for Rakdos. Izzet. Grixis. WUBRG.

>>96824292
entomb/unmarked grave/buried alive not being GCs (and casuals surprisingly not crying over this despite croprot being a GC) is a glaring issue yes, reanimator is very strong in b2 right now

>>96824348
Reanimator and graveyard decks in general punch way above their brackets imo, it is why one of my favorite bracket 3 decks is my Ketramose 'Fuck your graveyard, I am using it to fill MY hand instead' deck.
Turn 1 planar void against someone running a graveyard matters deck is one of the funniest things.

>>96824240
gaily
stationing sucked in limited and it sucks even more so inna format with three opponents beating your ass

>>96824240
They're pretty bad besides Tolarian Academy and Gaia's Cradle, which are overpowered no matter what.

>>96824374
>Reanimator and graveyard decks in general punch way above their brackets
correct and that should be addressed accordingly
as an aside gavin mentioning picrel during the twitchstream is relevant imo because they say it bypasses the "no mld" rule and i think this is how they're going to address lands decks moving forward

>>96824431
But anon... MLD puts the lands decks further ahead.

>>96824431
WotC realized that MLD hits land decks harder (they committed the most to lands, and have more to lose), so they gave them ways to recurr said lands and recurr their value pieces
>wow that makes no sense and is retarded
yes, it is

>>96824431
This shit enables lands decks even further and doesn't stop them at all

The fuck are people smoking, is there lead in gas again?

>>96824613
It's like advising to run boardwipes against an Graveyard/Reanimator deck.it does nothing

Time to post it again.

>>96824658
the answer is more complex than "run mld", you need other things along with the mld to stop the land from actually comming. back. with how premium mld is, you have to make sure the land stays gone. you can just substitute mld for regular disruption, it has to be used along with it, and it usually only hits lands, so their deader than other cards when not against the intended matchup. thats the real reason why land decks get out of hand, anything they ramp out they generally get to keep because the cards to remove them aren't easily splashable in other decks without making sacrifices in consistency so nobody runs them unless their meta is full of land decks.

>>96823668
LARP post
No games

If MLD was good it'd see play in constructed. Targeted land destruction like strip mine is based though.

>>96824678
Context?

Unban him you faggots.

>>96824751
But people would get was to strong cards like field of the dead, a 2/2 is literally unbeatable :(

>>96823997
>depends entirely on the IP
IP has booba = good
IP no has booba = bad

>>96824751
And >>96824308

>>96824751
Only if my big bitch Emrakul gets out of the prison she was unfairly placed into 10 years ago to appease crybabies.

>>96824830
No.

>>96824847
I agree i think she should be unbanned too, maybe as a game changer idk.

>>96824847
>>96824854
Hell no. Having to always be prepared for the strongest most unfair creature being cheated out quickly from EVERY deck you play is not fun. Glad they banned it. Should have never printed it in the first place.

>>96824885
It's not that easy to cheat out for most decks since it can't be reanimated

>>96824613
>so they gave them ways to recurr said lands and recurr their value pieces
tbf the better land recursion pieces are creatures which planetary annihilation also deals with

>>96824751
I run him.
>b-b-but
call a judge

>>96824847
>they will make a secret lair with gay men but not this

>>96824590
>>96824613
>>96824639
planetary annihilation deals 6 damage to each creature

>>96824740
EDHtuber spouts bad take that green is literally unstoppable unless you allow MLD. Lacks critical thinking skills to realize recurring a fetch from GY is the chokepoint.

>>96824941
>they will make a secret lair with gay men but not pedoshit
gee yeah, that's so strange, i wonder why?

>>96824941
The world's unfair huh

>>96824976
>he doesn't know

>>96824937
>Needing to cheat to ramp and be stompy.
You are most assuredly not Gruul worthy, nor my nigga.

>>96824976
>sees child
>immediately thinks of sex with children
The problem is you.

>>96824941
I wish they'd make a secret lair of Gay Dragons

>>96824974
With Azusa, Oracle and Courser there is no chokepoint.

>>96825023
>he thinks it's because of ramp and stomp
it's about sending a message

>>96824152
I swords to plowshares Jin. Move to the discard phase and drop some of these cards, please.

>>96825048
Your 2 open blue mana, blue mage.

>>96825048
Just cast wrath lemeow

>>96824289
Does Swat say "If you control a nontoken red permanent", or does it say "If you control your commander"?
Because those are two very different levels of "helping red but not other decks".

>>96825110
>why would i run red in my multicolor deck or choose red as my mono color
>you get swat!
>see red is strong
>now stop bothering me about red while i think of other things to give the damn color in a year's time or so, i also gave you planetary annihilation btw
i'm pretty sure that's his line of thinking

>>96825145
Have you considered that the fact that Red is incredibly dominating in every noncommander format might lead to them not wanting to make it good in commander too?

>>96825197
This. Cards don't exist in a vacuum. If they print cards that fix Red's flaws at competitive rates, they're going to get picked up in other formats too and we still are living under the izzet/monored tyranny in the form of Fucking Vivi.

>>96825197
>>96825327
>blue has dominated much of magic's history
>therefore blue must suck forever
>red is dominating standard right now
>therefore red must suck at commander
i see original sin is alive and well here lmao

>>96825327
>cards don't exist in a vacuum
>wotc absolutely balances with all formats in mind
what universe do you live in so i can go there and play modern with my boy here

>>96825359
Red and blue are both perfectly playable even in competitive, and cards will be used. How do they "fix" red, if I may ask? Do they print cards that can deal with its weaknesses at competitive rates? If they do, these cards will be used in other formats and suddenly Red has no weaknesses there anymore. Do they print aggro that can keep up with 3 40 life totals? These cards can also be used in other formats and now you've put "aggro but twice as strong" in them when aggro already is a problem.

>>96825388
>If they do, these cards will be used in other formats
Bro you know very well they will continue to print cum-mander only cards

White Bilbo
Blue Bilbo
Black Bilbo
Red Bilbo
Green Bilbo

>>96825388
>you just want wotc to print 1 mana 10 damage burn spells and allow it to directly destroy enchantments!
well that escalated quickly

>They fell for the red is weak meme youtubers pushed two months ago
sasuga /edhg/

>>96825484
post decks

>>96825459
I mean yeah that's pretty much all Red is missing.

If I cast a spell by its Morph/Disguise/Megamorph cost, is it a colorless creature spell that triggers Ugin's Mastery?

>>96825516
>red has tutors and card draw i swear
>red has the same punishing cards as white fr fr

>>96825545
Yes. You can also Morph from top of the Library with Mystic Forge

they just want to change hybrid mana to spike the cards they are buying out

>>96825547
To point 1, yes. It has some of the best draw and card selection in the game. You being too incompetent to use it is not the color's fault. You also have artifact tutors, creature and tribal tutors, and gamble.

>>96825547
>red should break color pie
>red can't draw
Red has some of the best draw in the game

>>96825592
>[red] has some of the best draw and card selection in the game

>>96823413
the card was designed for 1v1 20 life format. not really design flaw BUT it has inspired shit like smothering tithe which while was a standard card was designed for commander and effects like that don't translate well against 3 opponents and 40 life

>>96824678
this image never stops being correct

>>96825592
>>96825593
>look guys red is strong in cedh!
>yes this totally means red is strong in casual
>please ignore us never crying about green being the weakest color in cedh

>>96825084
and he has none in hand so yeah all the cards in the pic are useless

>>96825622
> just use all your spot removal on the one green players shit
No
MLD is hecking based
Fuck greeniggers

Don't.... fuck with me.... or I will KILL your commander...

>>96825659
this but unironically

>>96825677
>doesn't fuck with me
>disable their commander anyway
>their deck just falls apart
and that's what they fucking deserve

WBR blink commander?

>>96825603
Yes? It's the only color that lets you toss your hand in the garbage and draw a whole new one for cheap, it has all the discard then draw and impulse draw cards. Red is the third best color in the game when it comes to drawing, behind black and then blue.

>>96825705
Why would you want to use this in a blink deck

>>96825638
The green player doesn't have Oracle or Courser on board either. Just shut down the Crucible you dimwit.

>>96825706
I didn't know black could go +6 for 3 mana. Even blue only has 2 cards that do that.

I run Urza's Sylex in all my decks. Fucks uppity greenfags AND fetches me my planeswalkers.

>>96825726
Well, now you know!

>>96825736
>whenever you discard you exile it instead
garbo

>>96825775
literally who gives a shit nigga just don't discard things

>>96825053
The message
>I am a fag!
Doesn't really do it at my LGS, sorry to hear about yours.

>>96825736
Damn I got owned.

>>96825786
why run wheels then if you're planning to discard?

>>96825821
Necropotence isn't a wheel. It's just straight draw. If I draw Necro I don't need any more draw for the rest of the game, that's it, I'm set.

question for judge:

I have leyline of anticipation
Player hits me with ragavan, exiles electroduplicate off the top of my library
before combat ends, I cast pic rel, and return it to my hand
my opponents seethes like retard bitch, claiming it's his exiled card and I'm not allowed to steal it

>>96825728
this card is goat, played it against an elf player and he raged

>>96825831
thanks for admitting that red has shit draw btw

>>96825849
You are correct he is gay.

>>96825860
>what is wheel of fortune

>>96824751
I ran 2 of him at magiccon in sealed FF with sin as my commander (with a rhystic :^) ) and it was beyond disgusting, that thing is fucked. If it was BASIC lands, MAYBE. But it's ANY two lands.

So the shittest opinion is definitely that Rhystic Study shouldn't be banned but Thoracle should be banned, right?

look at all the top edh decks and ban everything in them over 5 dollars

>>96825904
Pauper edh is basically this and it is sovl

>>96825882
>>96825629

>>96825912
basado

>>96825893
Rhystic should be banned in a way that the next few sets have tax and trigger hate.

thassa's oracle is irrelevant, if you are playing cedh, who gives a shit, I'm not playing. If you are playing the combo outside of cedh... you are a retard bitch.

>>96825893
Thoracle is a disastrous mistake and they've always readily admitted that it was a disastrous mistake

there should be a per-bracket banlist and bracket 5 should have no cards banned

>>96825933
It's a very efficient combo piece but it is, at the end of the day, just a combo piece and nothing more than that.TMVXW

>>96825945
Brackets 1-4 should not exist and not have any bans because muh rule 0.
cEDH has bans because it's a real format.

Anyone have experience printing proxies at staples? Took a crack at it last night but my cards came out a bit smaller and fuzzier

>>96825718
wrong threat and too late. they already played 2 extra basics that you can't respond to

>>96825965
There is a limit to how efficient cards can get at their roles. Ancient Recall is banned for a reason.

>>96825972
Oh no 2 basics what will I do?

>>96825980
nothing. that's right

I fucking love this card

>>96825974
>labman b2
>thoracle GC
>diabolic tutor b2
>demonic tutor GC
easy

>>96825787
The message
>I am a rule cuck reee!
doesn't really do it at my LGS, but happy to hear that you found an audience

>it's Fallout day
Kneel to the true king of the new world

>>96821175
>thought this was a proxy
>look it up
>it's real
Wtf bros, what was the initial reaction to this fucking slop?

>>96826059
I think they mentioned that all sets are made years in advance? I didn't buy any spiderman, and I don't on buying anything next year except maybe lorwynn, if I haven't already got sick of it.

>>96826069
Sets are made 2 years in advance, 3 in UB's case yes.

Every time I try to build a voltron deck it's just a worse and/or more complicated lightpaws

>>96821293
Yes. All Altair cares about is the Memory counter. He can only give the Memory Counter to creatures that have the Assassin type while in they are in the Graveyard. However he does not need to be the one to give the counter. You can use the Animus to put Memory Counters on any Legendary in your Graveyard and Altair can summon it even if it's not an Assassin.

>>96825849
Fucking kek, good job.

>>96826100
Voltron is fun for like one game but it honestly feels like one of the least interactive play styles next to combo. I've yet to find a voltron deck that feels truly unique. The Cloud one is meant to benefit from multiple creatures being equipped and its still better to just funnel it all onto your commander.

>>96825706
>Yes? It's the only color that lets you toss your hand in the garbage and draw a whole new one for cheap
> cheap
> $300

>>96826166
killing people via commander damage makes more sense if people just use it as the backup strat that it was always meant to be

>>96826187
>WoF is the only wheel in Red
>also what is Cmc
ROR
Rumao

>>96825547
>>red has the same punishing cards as white fr fr
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-mono-red-prison#paper

>>96826100
How about not building yet another aura voltron, retard. Try Jund with Coram or something.

>>96826195
The only time I accidentally killed someone with commander damage was when I still had 4th doctor in the 'zone and hit my buddy with him 5 times. And the 5th time I used whatever that green land is to give him +1/+1. Shit was so cash.

>>96826187
I truly wish I was the kind of person with money to buy out Hasbro just so I could throw the reserved list in the bin

>>96826197
Ruby on Rails is software, not a card
No one knows what lmao is supposed to be

>>96821265
>>96826117
>you own in exile
damn

>>96826200
sir this is /edhg/

>>96826100
At least it's gonna be more fun than playing tutor flowchart simulator

>>96826100
Have you tried killing them with one swing?

>the rules group says banning rhystic would negatively impact casual play
who the fucking what? since when did rhystic apologists start existing?

>>96826327
>the rules group says banning rhystic would negatively impact sales of future sets
banning is bad business

>>96826342
I mean sure if they said that but are they lying about the reason?

>>96826349
yes because people from renton wa tend to be politically correct and lean a certain way

>>96821293
My friend did this it's silly
Also Rosh makes everything an assassin too

>>96826327
Rhystic doesn't deserve a ban.

>>96826354
dang, and here I though the takeover was for the exact reason that they could ban expensive cards without worrying about death threats that totally exist

>>96825677
Chat. Is this real?

>>96826374
reason being?

>>96826327
Bro look at this very thread, they walk among us.

>>96826377
>the takeover was so that wotc can stop the retarded rc from banning expensive cards and ruining the company's lifeline (because hasbro is dying fyi)
there now you know

>>96826397
but why didn't anyone in the group sound the whistle then?

>>96826407
why would they? i'm sure they got a nice big payout for all the trouble

>>96826417
>wotc
>paying

>>96826049
He's so fucking fun without being busted. Perfect commander design.

>>96826374
Yes it does and it's banning would only serve to improve the health of the format and help stop deck homogeneity. Blue has zero issues drawing cards, any deck running Rhystic would be fine without it.

>>96826431
Arguably one of the best Mardu commanders ever printed, and him not even needing to do anything but exist on the battlefield is pure flavor

>>96826427
wotc pays for the record
UNDERpaying, on the other hand...

>>96826431
do thing, draw card

>>96826387
It's fun to make autists seethe by asking if they pay the 1

errata rhystic to not be a may

>>96826481
fug

Is the deck I'm building going to be fun and good?

Even: Yes
Odd: No

>>96825677
>fucks with you
>evades your pathetic retaliation
>beats you to submission until you do my bidding
>becomes my literal whore for a few cards
buck = broken

>>96826532
>>fucks with you
Hot.

I'm playing this in my mono black deck and there is nothing you can do about it.

>>96826512
rolling

>>96826365
>>96826117
This is sounding goofy and promising. Thanks guys. Been sitting on Altair and some assassin's just waiting on new assassin's or a new idea for him.

>>96826549
AIEEEEE NOOOOOOO

>>96826387
>>96826439
It's a worse 1/2 of grand arbiter. It's only bad if shittier don't pay the one.

Commander but your commander can't say the words "Draw [x] card[s]," "land," "command zone" or "without paying its mana cost" on it, and it can't tap for mana or allow other permanents to tap for mana or tap for additional mana.

UB chainsaw man when

Commander buit your deck is in the command zone and whoever goes first loses to deck out

>>96826549
Color identity in commander is a mistake.

>>96826100
The only voltron deck I have is Lightning, but holy shit is she fun. Being able to instagib people fairly easily is a blast, and she becomes really hard to deal with really fast if you have the sword of X and Y rotation to give her color protection.

>>96825677
You're going to fuck with me anyways, only one of us can win. Hope you weren't bluffing. Cowabunga, nigger.

I have arrived to a point where I can't push myself to buy cards anymore. the sets are too shit

>>96825858
ramp trannies get the MLD

Hold the fuck up. The bracket system was supposed to be for new players, right? Now they are letting urza and kinnan run free with the assumption that people who use this system KNOW what they are getting in to. You know, those notoriously informed NEWBS this shit is made for. not to mention food chain which is technically a 3 card combo to win with so it now goes under the 2 card combo rule too. What are they smoking?

>>96826549
are there even any good dual mana cards you'd want in mono-colored?

>>96826840
the idea seems to be that there's at least 1 person at the table who knows what they're doing and isn't actively trying to pubstomp literal first time players

>>96826853
That's a weird asumption for them to make just so they could let a potential problem to fester. It's not like they are big money cards to reprint for timmies either so why do this.

Which shitty mana ramp/filter should I play?

>>96826920
energy refactor in every deck

>>96826920
arcum's astrolabe

>>96826920
The filter lands, duh.

>>96826920
Nigga just run gemstone array

>friend who is really into magic had his 3 night in a row without a single win
>sighs, looks all beat up
>"maybe it's really me..."
after years of playing edh, pauper and draft with friends, I can say without doubt that some people are just not meant to ever git gud at magic. I build suboptimal budget decks because I'm too cheap to invest any real money into cardboard, half of the time I have no idea what I'm even doing, I make dogshit plays, constantly miss my triggers, and yet I have a winrate nearing 50% in 4p games, just because nobody has any idea what they are doing, even after years of weekly edh.
and no, I'm not stomping my friends. I have the same insane winrate when I play their decks too. they play stuff like zur while I play retarded shit like rakdos gut. I am one of the least experienced magic players in my group too, playing against friends who are in the game since over a decade.

>>96822748
I want to make a deck using this card
>but it's a 2 mana 2/2 vanilla
yes

>>96826939
>>96826944
>>96826953
>>96826958
Didn't answer my question. I want to run 1 of the 2 shitty cards. Stop trying to make my deck bracket 3.

>>96822360
Do you have a picture of that mat?

>>96827039
no

>>96826958
cute

>>96826059
>Wtf bros, what was the initial reaction to this fucking slop?
"Uh....the fuck? Why the office? Shit has been off air for like 12 fucking years. Who is this for?"
It was confusion more so than anger.

>>96827045
I'll take one, watching The Long Walk with the boys first

>>96821576
This is a b2 thread newfriend

>>96826962
I have a similar experience. Maybe its the other end of the dunning krugger effect

>dies
>format goes to shit

What did he know? What kind of dirt did he have on wizards?

I used to work across from WOTC in Renton. I live by there. How easy is it for me to get a job there and turn this shit around? I'm good for it, bros.

>>96827185
I don't get the impression Sheldon had any kind of dirt on WOTC or any interest in any kind of change for the format. He was in charge because he was there from the beginning but did not give a fuck about putting effort in to make changes of any kind. Rules, bans, nothing. His own decks reflect that he played in a bubble where he thought everything was fine and did not believe any change was necessary. He was asleep at the wheel and in hindsight that may have been for the best.

>>96827275
>>96827185
It's a decentralized format that's becoming increasingly popular, and being optimized out of fun/social like super smash brothers.

I remember when we played super smash bros for fun, and some fucking losers decided to play the shit out of it, then they'd by during our party nights and stomp people, which wasn't fun. So then they decided to do their OWN leagues which became autistic metagaming, which is now cEDH and upper edh. Instead of magic players fucking around with spells that are printed for no real reason, we have new players printing cyclonic rift, smothering tithe and all generic good stuff cancer and then getting hated out for it, while the people dealing with their bullshit want a centralized response to curtail this behavior, which it won't have any real effect on - solely because people are shitters. I had a faggot supreme last night tell me his deck was $50 bracket 2. It 'technically' was by the previous standards, but when you are running a lyse, counters and hitting for 20 on turn 4, it's easy to be a cunt and play above the bracket you say you are, this behavior isn't going to stop, ever.

ive fallen in love with this card

>>96827357
why

>>96827357
Banding is deliciously underrated.

>>96827357
a tool for the banding QUEEN

>>96827360
It give a creature banding untill end of turn

>>96827309
we need per-bracket ban lists

>>96827360
cuck trample

>>96827357
I've got a copy, but don't really have a good home for it.

>>96826559
Altair is a ton of fun. However because you are trying to dump Assassins into your graveyard the other players quickly learn that if they stop Altair from getting on the board they shut down the entire deck as all your good cards are in the graveyard. Still my favorite deck.

>>96827379
Explain.

I just learned about the formatting change that replaces the card name in the text with "this creature", "this spell", etc.
Sad.

>>96826616
Done

>>96827433
Banding lets you divide combat damage amongst the creatures in the band which you can abuse with Elesh Norn to spread the damage as wide as possible to for maximum possible triggers. It's the same reason she's good with any redirection effects like pic related.

How do we save Myriad lads?

>>96827521
Printing it more would be a start.

>>96827185
He knew this was a shitty format and embarrassed that fact.
It's his liberal brain rot that made him a terrible manager. If he had appointed a successor and not stocked the rc with basically dei hires, things would have been much different

>>96827521
Make an equipm...
Oh wait

NEW
>>96827680

>>96827680

>>96827357
Shh, don't fucking tell everyone.