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Que Retardado Edition

>What is Trench Crusade?
An alternate weird history 28mm/32mm tabletop skirmish game still in a pre-release playtesting phase but with the full release slated for this year. Based on the art and lore of Mike Franchina, whose illustrations you may have seen floating around on /tg/ for a several years now, and designed by Tuomas Pirinen, one of the original creators of Mordheim. It's grimdark, it's visceral, it's awesome, and it's very Blanchitsu.

>What Trench Crusade is not
TC not an excuse for you to discuss IRL religion, history that didn't occur in the game, culture war shit, or discord bullshit on /tg/. Keep it on topic.

>What's the QRD on the background?
The Knights Templar turned heretic and opened the Gates of Hell when they took Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Over 800 years later the war is still ongoing as technology has developed to a pseudo diesel-punk WW1 standard and a third of Humanity has sided with the Infernal Princes.

>How do I get started?
All the files are free online, but are split between the website and the discord. They have all been collected here for your convenience:
https://mega.nz/folder/70QH0BBa#Eg-blxYQKkY_C02wErnFTQ

>third party sources for making trenchers:
https://pastebin.com/YzXPVUAc

>Trench Compendium
Compendium: https://https://trench-companion.com/

>Previous Thread:
>>96815412

>Thread Question
What faction do you think has the best fluff?

What are your most wanted factions?
I want japanese Yokai
I hope they lean into myths of different cultures then just different religions, the map showed some fables on it. A lot of japanese culture and religion could be so fun to make grimdark

>>96849317
Out of the ones the devs have confirmed? Probably the beast - what lore we've gotten suggests some interesting run-based mechanics that involve unit positioning.

>>96849317
whenever i get to making my Heretic Legion group, I'm making them a mix of Korean, Japanese, and Chinese monsters.

I swear to G*d that I wanted to make the Lieutenant a Saja before KDH came out.

>>96849317
Japan is played out

>>96842606
>Nobody would buy our overpriced plastic if you could just print them!
Sad

I posted here a while ago about wanting to make a setting appropriate elephant, well here it is built and primed.
I'm running it as a shrine anchorite. It's a little bit big but I wanted it to be imposing and it fits on the base no problem so whatever.

>>96849317
I hope to see where they go with Tibetan Buddhism. They go pretty wild with their images and practices. Apparently Himalayas are infested with path of the beast raksashas.

>>96850001
don't forget the mongol horde apparently still exists

>>96849990
rad

>>96849317
>Sacred Order of the Dragon halts the heretic advance after the destruction of Byzantium. A million heretics impaled in the hills of Wallachia.
Whoever the fuck these guys are.
Followed by the Synod of Strategic Prophecy

>>96849317
based on the map I want to see what's up with the mongols and the scythians, although that will probably have to wait until we have some new edition of the rules that includes cavalry and mounted units.

>>96853541
>scythians
Bruh, they better make them conan like if they're going to throw in an extinct society.
Conan is a Cimmerian after all.
Hell since Beelzebub resurrected ekron, maybe we can see Moloch bring Carthage back, or maybe that would be Baal.
They're not main heads of the serpent but that apparently churns.

>>96850433
Carpathian Orthodox/Rusyn units would be awesome, give them special rules vs Sultanate.

Isnt this shit ZUTT'd and trooned?

>>96854164
They want the troons to think yes and the chuds to think no
A risky strategy sure to make everyone upset

>>96854164
Doesn’t have to be, you can play basically for free without paying them a penny and be as politically incorrect as you want around your own table.

Just stay clear of Mag28 and don’t tolerate humorless faggots at the table.

>>96849990
Shrine Elephanchorite

>>96849317
I'm actually more keen on expanded mercenaries before more factions. Why not have a few more options open to everyone, or a good and a bad big guy each. I think expanded mercenaries add more to campaign play

Its funny this game and Infinity have le heckin wholesome enlightened muslim scientists faction when in reality most muslims are inbred retards.

>>96849317
Grail Vampires

I can’t be the only person who thinks that the 1.6.3 ruleset is incredibly badly written and unclear… can I?

>>96855673
Idk about unclear but yeah a lot of the sentences in here could use an edit
Playtest game
Small indie company
Please understandu

>>96855673
What we've seen of the 1.0 stuff is much better, plus they've had a year of correcting people on rules to see what's commonly confused.

>>96854528
I know this is low effort bait but TC’s muslims are unironically inbred retards
They are still using muzzle loaders when everyone else has assault rifles and SMGs, and they have to kidnap and enslave / brainwash people from outside the wall to have even halfway decent troops. Shame the lore writers are too timid to make the Janissaries the power-hungry kingmakers they were in our timeline

>>96855987
It's called a build, retard
They specked into magic and creating giant fucked up abominations where as everyone else specked into guns

>>96855987
>he doesn’t know what the janissaries really were
Point at him and laugh

>>96855987
>They are still using muzzle loaders when everyone else has assault rifles and SMGs
Yet jezzails and bolt action rifles have pretty much the same rules on the tabletop, you’re just assuming jezzails are still muzzle loading flintlocks.

>>96849307 (OP)
Sería más bien:
*¡Jajaja, qué subnormal!*

>>96853541
This map made me quit.

>>96855987
Bait aside, it is funny that people seethe about the islamic faction being very well organized when basically every unit explains how they're made to be loyal via hallucinagenic stuff

>>96854164
>>>/pol/
Go cry like a bitch somewhere else tourist, you don't care about the hobby

>>96857035
t.

>>96853541
>no hellmouth in lowlands for WW1 kino
This is probably one of the worst maps of any setting, and yes that includes the Age of Sigmar maps.

>>96856553
>>96857205
The map is outdated fwiw
There are lore documents that directly contradict it

>>96856553
Then why are you here? If the idea that someone in-universe would make you so mad that you'd give up on the entire game, then actually give up on it and leave.

>>96849307 (OP)
I took a year break from Trench crusade news just to give it more time to develop. Are the models available to be purchased yet or do we still need to download the stl and print it ourselves?

>>96855987
>I know this is low effort bait but TC’s muslims are unironically inbred retards
They're surrounded by hell i wouldn't be surprised-
oh you mean their use of weapons.
well to be fair they don't have access to the wider world to gather this, the Christians aren't going to share their technology with them and vice versa.
>janissaries
By decent troops you mean space marines?
They're pumped full of so much genetic bunk they turn into muslim templars.
Also aside from the lack of obvious backbiting this is real life accurate.

I'm surprised we don't see a million civil wars,
The Sultan coughs "hack, hack" and all of his sons pull out their knives.

>>96856145
That might be cool though, lower rate of fire, higher power shots. not sure how'd they get it balanced though.

>>96859455
Westfalia sells their minis otherwise go to etsy.

>mecca protected by le magic sand storm

Yeah the creators dont want to get stabbed lol

>>96857035
Shut the fuck up pussy and go back to red1dit. This shit is cringe and ZUTT'd as fuck, no wonder the community already started their own purified canon and are just pirating all the minis

Whats the deal with 28mag?

>>96862110
They spelled ‘28Fag’ wrong, it’s a typo.

>>96862085
>purified canon

are you talking about the "Cleansing Fire" canon or whatever the fuck they were calling it? the keep banning any mention of it on the r>ddit and discord

>>96862110
they were once men...

>>96849317
grim derp buddhism

>>96862460
I think thats the "purified" lore that apparently takes out the troony and the pro-muzzie stuff. It was on the discord for a hot second before they nuked it. Its alot of text

I just want hot girls with tits outs in nun-battle gear
Why is that so fucking hard to find out

>>96863386
>takes out the troony and the pro-muzzie stuff
>Troony and pro-muzzie
Game has neither of these things. I can only imagine how cancerous and mentally ill that community is.

>>96863916
i mean theres a lot of red fascists hyping up the IS. I don't think the IS are bad, i get the criticism though but its not a big deal.

>>96862072
I mean, not being able to access mecca is a pretty big deal to them. Its one of the four pillars of islam right? God saying that the IS can't do that would be a big deal.

>>96863989
Anyone who thinks muslims in TC universe are portrayed as good, scientific or wholesome, has some self reflection to do. But politically minded people are too much hurry to read the lore.

>>96857179
what is bi-erasure

I would never even have heard of mag 28 if you people weren’t seething about it.

>>96854528
Muslim don't fuck around. The writer want death threats for pity points but don't want to be killed and raped like a bunch of frenchies if they "make fun" of Islam.

>>96854528
Muslims will actually murder you for insulting their religion and culture so no European company will dare to do so

>>96862460
Do you have any links? After a few searches I don't get anything

>>96865531
I think they don't have much Muslim in the US therefore they don't understand that a Muslim, can only be a zealot prone to violence toward non Muslim and he's encouraged by our traitor states and his religious belief.
You must live next to them or in the same commie block to understand it.

>>96865531
How has TC insulted any religion?

>>96865637
Assuming this isn’t sarcasm. TC exits clearly just because an artist had a vision of a particular aesthetic, and I doubt insult was his intent( but maybe it was i don’t know his heart). But game-ifying religion is insulting in its own right to the people that take those religions seriously. Then it makes demon worshipers seem like cool bad guys and creates Hell worshiping larpers. Which let’s be real “pretending to sin” is just sin. The “Christian” side has “meta-Christ” which I don’t think I have to elaborate on why a Christian might not be crazy about. Theres plenty of sexual stuff too even on the “good” sides. It’s just fiction, I doubt it was meant to insult, but can you see where people might take offense?
>inb4 you personally are insulted
I’m just trying to explain how religious people might not like this concept. Even if it’s more than likely not even on their radars. I doubt Mohammed over in Iraq is upset about a skirmish game. I also doubt even Mohammed over in London knows the game exists. This game is far from the most offensive things to Christians or Muslims. An average Hollywood production should be of greater personal insult them than this game.

>>96866813
>But game-ifying religion is insulting in its own right to the people that take those religions seriously.
Does it really gameify religion? Religion is just the aesthetic, but not really a mechanic. I think only sniper priest has mechanic about praying. By that logic chess gameify's religion, because king usually has a cross on its top.
>Then it makes demon worshipers seem like cool bad guys and creates Hell worshiping larpers.
Doesn't insult anyone's religion though. You can find heretics cool or horrifying, or both. Then they are offended by someone else's taste (or their own, by really thinking heretics are cool, but are too deep in confessional to admit it).
>Meta-christ
Yeah, but there are christians thinking those are abomanitions.
Most of those things are points brought by christian aunts, who use the church as social club. And to them you can say that literal catholic monks are cool with the game. I get your angle, but I don't really see insults, just someone looking for things to be mad about.

>>96867016
I do not consider insult to be a handshake.Can authors be insulted by fanfic when the fanfic author adores their work and meant no insult? Absolutely. Insult can be taken when none is intended. It is still insult. And insult can be meant when it is not received. It is still insult. Now how harmful is it? Low on the scale. There are some people taking the “it gives Christianity more interest” route with TC and some that are “this is too sinful” route. Most people? They are just going about their lives. I think if you take most *serious Christians and say
>Am I sinning by playing this?
the answer would be yes. Then if you asked him
>how important is it to your daily life I play it?
He would say “not at all”. I don’t think hypothetical uninterested man would care unless you lore saged him against his will.Thats how you make him upset.

>>96849990
t. Hannibal

is this countdown for the great hunger?

>>96867355
Okay but if we can agree that TC isn't intending to mock or deride christianity in anyway, then the only offense you can take is it using superficial aspects of christianity like the name, symbolism themes, etc. which at that point TC isn't really doing anything differently than what other settings like 40k does when they create a fictional religon that's based on christianity in a superficial sense.

>>96868057
the models and rules for them are both out I think, so I can only assume its 1.0

Finally, can't wait for the thread on Trench Crusade to be discussing the game Trench Crusade.

Last game I had one of my wretched succesfully climb an objective building in the very middle of the map, somehow manage to hit an enemy golem claiming it, roll a fucking 11 for injury downing it, and then making it fall down the rooftop, granting me the objective. And then the wretched immediately ascended and fucking disappeared, beause we've realised there actually was a glorious deed for throwing someone from height. What a madlad

>>96868669
QRD on Trench Crusade???? What’s that?

>>96868690
Top kek, Law of Hell is pretty funny.

Mag28 is cringe desu

>>96868690
The falling rules due to down contidition are not only for ranged attacks?

is this game better than last war

>Heretic legionnaire with +1 ranged dice
>Take a pistol, trench club and gas grenades
>Use grenades to gas the shit out of the enemy
>Swing with club for main hand attack in melee, then use the + dice to counteract the offhand debuff so you straight roll with the pistol
Is this the most trench raider pilled way to equip a legionnaire?

>>96853876
My assumption with the Scythians (and the mongols, for that matter) are that they're not a straight continuation of the actual ancient Scythian culture that somehow made it all the way to the modern day, but just a people from the region that adopted the name and look for the style/idea - like people trying to connect themselves to the Roman Empire.

>>96869202
What happened?

>>96868057
It's either 1.0 reveal (very likely), Carcass Front campaign announcement (unlikely), or Path of Beast reveal (more unlikely).

>>96867355
>It is still insult
Taken as a insult.*
For example, I can hurt somebody by accident, and apologise. But if insult is seen in a act not meant to harm, that just tells about the one feeling indulted.

>>96869864
Definitely fits the bill. Another equally raider pilled loadout would be running auto shotties on +1 melee heretics since the shotgun makes up for their shitty shooting and also synergises with their obvious desire to close the gap for shankin'. People will say to take SMG's but desu annointed are way better for that

>>96869864
Can't pistol be rolled with melee stats in face to face combat? Or do I remember it wrong?

>>96870495
>A model armed with a pistol can use it in melee as well as ranged combat (using Ranged Characteristic), including as an off-hand weapon to execute an additional melee attack.

>>96870576
Oh I remembered wrong. It was only that pistol had melee keyword.

>>96853541
I love how stupid this bullshit is.

>>96856553
You are weak.

>>96849307 (OP)
>Trench Crusade General - /trench/ Anonymous 10/27/25(Mon)01:32:18
>10/27/25(Mon)01:32:18
>80 posts in more than half a week
Damn nigga, I thought this was supposed to be the 40k killer.

>>96872279
Dont thnk the devs ever claimed this.
The fans do, but fans of things are stupid.
An indie 40k killer is about as likely as an indie 5e killer, no matter how hard people want them to die.

Do the muslims have a special zutt unit that splits lil moe moe's """moon""" ?

>>96873384
I swear the jargon people invent gets weirder every day. Clearly I don't spend enough time here to get it.

>>96873384
All this "zutt" shit is just a psyop jews came up with after they lost the Gaza war.

>>96870495
toumas made it,
same deal with mordheim except you don't have to swap it out for a different weapon after the first round it's used.

>>96873766
T. Lil moe moe after his moon was "split"

>>96872279
Random retards have been saying X-killer since time immemorial. The annals of history are littered with the corpses of Doom-killers and Halo-killers. If you take any of them as evidence of anything, you're as much of a random retard as they are.

>>96872279
>defending GW ITYOOL 2025

>>96849307 (OP)
>What faction do you think has the best fluff?
Hard to choose, though for a non-released faction the path of the beast has the most going on, especially with their actions in ireland. Also they're just about the only time non-abrahamic-monsters are mentioned with the Rakshasa

>>96869460
1.6.3 playtest rules p.7: A model in an elevated position may also fall when it is Downed while within 1” of a ledge. When this happens, the model takes an ACTION. If it succeeds, the model
remains Downed where it is. If it fails, the model falls from the nearest ledge.

Any Down counts.

>>96872279
How could it possibly kill 40K when GW has an endless army of simpering faggots like you to lick their taint in public?

>>96870421
>I can hurt somebody by accident, and apologize
You can. But you still hurt someone. Intent or negligence does not nullify pain. In your example the insult is the “hurt” that occurred. Not the intent. Curiously it can also be intent without the pain being received. like for example let’s say an Anonymous poster on 4chan gets angry at me and calls me a faggot. That’s insult. But let’s say I think it’s funny so I’m not insulted. I may not feel insulted but it was an insult.
>says more about the receiver
Sometimes. Again I think TC is really not a big deal to religious people. I’ve unintentionally turned this into a discussion about insult as a concept and less about Trench Crusade so I’ll try to move on.

Just finished my first ever paintjob! Well, i thought it would be worse...

Anyway, is there an easy way to paint fine details like leather straps and ammo bags, or you just need a fuckton of skill to make it right?

>>96880452
>foot poking out of base

I find it weird how they keep advertising the Gregori Gula's front which looks like an obese dude that came out of Liposuction instead of the back which genuinely looks amazing

>>96882492
Hot damn, I hadn't paid much attention cause the front looks trash, the back looks way better.

Bought into the Kickstarter campaign and still waiting. Get an email today that the "free backer gift" of some trench terrain and 'The Beast' are mailing out. $70 custom/duty fee because the assholes priced the value of the "free" gift at almost $300 for no good reason. Thanks, you fucking rotten cunts.

>>96879919
>I’ve unintentionally turned this into a discussion about insult as a concept and less about Trench Crusade so I’ll try to move on.
Fair. Lets just say we view this differently on very basic level.

>>96865531
Corvus Belli went too close to the sun with the Haqqislam faction of Infinity.

>>96854164
Nah, don't let 2 or 3 pedo woke influencers to discourage you.

Game is decent.

>>96853541
Confederate cowboys

Happy all saints day, pilgrims. Watch out for trench ghosts that wander about the no-man's land.

How are trench pilgrims when it comes to ranged combat? I usually hear them described as THE melee faction. I'm fine with taking flails and playing into melee when the oppurtunity presents itself, but is sticking to ranged just not ideal with them?

Methodius seems like it wants to be more ranged but getting access to some SMG's and auto rifles for ducats and being able to only really give them to units with no +dice on their ranged seems worse off than just taking an extra pilgrim with a bolt action.

>>96885914
They are certainly one of the armies of all time at it. Methodius is the rangier subfaction, but pilgrims as a whole mostly like to occupy the midrange up into cqc with their shooting anyway to back up their melee deathballs, with punt guns being their main problem solvers at that distance, which are also deceptively lethal even on bog standard pilgrims due to their innate +1 dice to hit and injure. You can of course also throw bolt actions onto a couple grunts and they'll perform just as well as any other grunt with a bolt action (which is marginally). The main issue with ranged pilgrims isn't that they don't have access to decent ranged weapons, its that most of their units are all naturally slanted towards melee, so a warband is inevitably going to end up with at least some melee dudes unless you really go out of your way to not field them. Methodius helps solve that issue by allowing you double up on your most expensive unit and then make them even more expensive by mounting giant artillery pieces on them.

Also the automatic rifle, machine gun, and smg are for your war prophet and castigator, which do both get +dice to hit at ranged. They're the only two units that are good at it in fact, considering the nuns' limited weapon selection.

>>96888629
>The main issue with ranged pilgrims isn't that they don't have access to decent ranged weapons, its that most of their units are all naturally slanted towards melee, so a warband is inevitably going to end up with at least some melee dudes unless you really go out of your way to not field them
Figures yeah. I don't mind the idea of having melee dudes, and hell you can turn any pilgrim into a good melee unit just by giving him a 5 ducat flail which is fun in its own right, but I guess I'm mostly worried the gameplan for pilgrims is literally just
>run at the enemy and beat them to death
I dig them aesthetically but they seem somewhat 'boring' gameplay and build wise. Comparatively, something like Heretic Legion who I was also looking at seems way more fleshed out and offers far more customisation and playstyles.

Finally got my order in the mail, but a couple pieces are bent like pic rel.
Any hobby method to straighten these out?

>>96890924
Hot water and slow movements into position, then dipping them in cold water to set them.

what's the easiest way to start collecting terrain to play this? getting warbands ready is easy but the terrain is just a clusterfuck, I wish they would do somekind of terrain release just to get people started instead of the plastic kits

>>96849317
More Byzantine remnants.
Knights of Rhodes, Maniot warriors, Akritai etc.

Groyper crusade

>>96893570
I mean we've had mention of varangian guard remnants, oh wait you mean even more

>>96893437
nta but I dont quite get what this means. I assume its just "if you have these sections you can rearrange them in any combination"?

Timer on the website in nearing 1 day left, any ideas?

>>96896144
v1.0 release.

>>96896144
Book ready, and shipping begins.

>>96895410
yeah
print it on A1, put on styrofoam, cut white parts out, glue on cardboard.
Valla! Nine modular Trench pieces

>>96854164
what the fuck is a zutt

>>96893437
Can't decide if I should go through the effort to do this or skimp out and just do the freestanding trench blocks...Just seems so much more cost efficient and helps with missions that require you to have some no man's land for the sake of placing specific objectives and terrain down

>>96896553
Forced meme

>>96896330
>>96896410
Yeah thats what I figure, shame they couldn't fit a halloween release - that would've been fun.

>>96872279
They fucked it hard with the shitty map that evidenced that nothing makes sense.

>>96893570
>>96894478
Seeing what happened to Athos and Crete could be cool too.

As for the Heretics, I wonder if they'd use more pagan aesthetics since ancient gods were considered to be demons to some. Like a legion of hedonistic satyr rapists that worship Bacchus or something.

>>96896723
>Ah yes, the map is the problem
No? If anything the actual problem is that everything is in a quasi-state of being 'not done' and 'published', and about 90% of the loadouts in the game don't have official models for them. People talk big about converting, but most people drawn to TC like it because of the aesthetic they're shown and want said shit, but then you find out almost every model is monopose and needs to be 3d printed which gate keeps a LOT of people out. Top it off with needing highly specific terrain most LGS aren't liable to have and it can be pretty awkward trying to get your shit to take off, especially when said LGS can't really sell any shit relating to your game.

When they get more plastic kits and do some official vids on the game it will take off; the rules are fun and people obviously love the setting, but until then everyone is standing around with their thumb up their ass wondering when it's coming out of playtesting and ready to be a 'real game'. Some retarded map isn't gonna kill a game, otherwise 40k would have died years ago

>>96896798
No what I said, the map was not the problem itself, but rather the evidence or symptom that showed many of us, visually, that nothing had been created with a single reasonable thought. From fluff to real life logistics this is not a serious ip.

>>96896628
Halloween would've been a great time for a Trench Ghost rework.

Why doesn't the omniscient omnipresent God simply close the gates of Hell and seal all the heretics in?

>>96897583
Because he doesn't operate according to your retarded brain's desires.

>>96897583
Because then there would be no setting

Right now trench layouts are the biggest problem in my LGS. Too unbalanced especially when people just slap together various different shapes. Is there a competitive standard guideline for approved shapes, layouts, how many ladders, footstands etc. that we can use?

No more STL files.

https://www.trenchcrusade.com/news/the-future-of-plastics-at-trench-crusade/

>>96899410
BWAHAHAHAHAH

>>96899410
Good that they just outright said it.
>We can't possibly do EVERY loadout option possible
What's stopping them from just making "faction weapon packs" that just have a whole bunch of weapons and arms you can just slot onto different models like how horus heresy has their weapon packs? Just seems like lazy cope desu.

>>96899410
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>96899667
Yeah, I think its lazyness. Although, its not impossible for them to make weapon packs later. For now, like they said, they will try to make warband boxes for existing faction. Anything extra can probably wait, for now.
I suspect they want to make warband boxes for the shelves, to get a foothold on the market, and new people in. Stl files are things you can buy elsewhere, so it doesn't give a steady stream of revenue the same way.

>>96900015
I kinda get it. My LGS has (had?) no interest in Trench Crusade because there's nothing to sell.

>>96900015
Desu as long as they push out kits at a reasonable rate I don’t mind there being no weapon packs for the time being. Crossing my fingers they do Abyssinia as their next NA plastic box or have some multi part Iron Sultanate dropping.

Why does TC lore slander the Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and Temple of Solomon?

>>96899724
>yeah we know our Kickstarter was massively successful due to STLs and resin printing, but fuck you
Id like a personal apology from the anons who believed the ‘we’ll still have a future with printing’ comment

>>96900826
We now know this was the plan the whole time, and it’s working.

>>96900877
They basically encouraged resin and kitbashing because they couldn’t afford to do this before

>>96899667
Anon that's not what they're saying, they're saying that not every mini box is going to come with every single option those minis can take, not that they aren't going make loadout options available at all. They even mentioned they were still going to be doing resin/3-d printing for stuff like accessories.

>>96900895
Original plan was just to get the minis and book out, and then some more crowdfunded content. With success, they could make the project their actual work. So now they're thinking like a company, not some crowdfunded people on a passion project.

>>96857035
>Bitching about the Zutt
The fact you know what it is tells me you're just as much of a tourist or an assblasted jihadi.

>>96896553
I's a haddith that talks about how Mohamed was mounted by a group of tall dark virile foreigners called the Zutt overnight and being greatly pained afterwords. Muzzies are seething about it saying "mounted" really just means "surrounded" and the Zutt really means djinn, even though they have a word for it already, namely djinn, and that he wasn't anally pleasured by virile foreigners but that said djinn were just super friendly and excited to hear about Allah.

>>96899410
>>96899724
>>96900826
the full text is even more damning

>As a lot of you know, we got our start by offering a consumer friendly product that everybody could enjoy because even the poors could pirate it. However, it became immediately apparent that the generous support of a huge number of people has enriched us to the point that we can afford to produce our product in a way that cannot be pirated.

>So as to be as clear as possible with this: there will be absolutely no refunds.

>There will be a small wave of releases to round out the digital range that we are strategically choosing to fulfil so we cannot be accused of scamming our Kickstarter PayPigs.

>While this may disappoint some of you, please understand that our formerly successful and profitable business model simply was not profitable enough for our liking. After investing significant funds into our new extortionate business model we cannot possibly undercut ourselves by offering 3D printable alternatives for pennies on the dollar.

>However, as a tiny and meaningless concession to the retards who supported us, we promise not to sue you for making your own 3D printable miniatures that may or may not be compatible with our game.

>>96899410
Big tragic, though not surprising.
Out of curiosity, how many of you guys use STLs? I just whip up my own shit, never been interested in using 'canon' models but I assume I'm in the minority.

>>96899410
>there will be no major releases in STL or Resin format in the future.
A full move to hard plastic? Utterly wonderful.

>>96903027
>he's eager to be offbrand GW paypig once again
Highly Homosexual.

>>96903040
Never said I would be purchasing the kits. Maybe some bits second hand off ebay, but I'm strictly cheap 3rd party kitbash and conversion. And that's easier in hard plastic.

Telling that you immediate invent a situation where you get to be the one to talk down to someone, though.

Is there an ideal weapon for Stosstruppen
I feel like their dash makes them want shotguns and smgs but that makes them so expensive

>>96903588
>weapon
two trench clubs or two swords or a sword and a trench club
>ranged weapon
grenades

not messing with you by the way, the prussian stormtroopers are one of the most effective close combat units for your ducat value you can get. Most of the time you’ll wanna skip giving them guns because the cheap ones don’t have assault and grenades are just outright better because of their damage capabilities + having the increased rangeband. The ones you DO wanna give guns are the ones who have the infiltrate upgrade, in which case you’ll wanna give ‘em flamethrowers and submachine guns. Fire team those stormtroopers with your combat pieces like the sniper priest, combat engineers and lieutenant so you can crack open armoured targets with bloodbath and you’re preem. If you’re dying for some guns though, you can give them automatic pistols for the multi-attack but they’re pretty pricey still.

>>96903636
Appreciate it, anon, I'll give that a whirl for my next game

>>96902118
can't you just be racist in a normal way? saying towelhead or things like that are obviously offensive but this requires a wikipedia explainer in order to make any sense.

Oh my days, total proonter death gets closer every minute.

Nobody wants you parasitic wretches. If everybody was a proontlet the wargaming industry (small as it is) would collapse. There'd be no way for anybody to do this as their job, there'd be no way for a wargaming or miniature "company" to exist.

Proontlets are cheapoids stealing eggs from the nests of real wargamers. No, I'm not talking about GW, fag that is already typing a paypig reply -- you can buy Reaper Bones for all I care. It's still a real product, unlike STLs.

DIE! (but dispose of your toxic resin stash properly first)

>https://www.trenchcrusade.com/news/the-digital-rules-for-trench-crusade-are-here/
Finally, trench crusade is real

>>96904261
I can't believe that infamously dead game Trench Crusade is complete. What the fuck.

>>96904261
>symbols instead of text
>keywords rather than just telling you what things do
>no changelog so you can actually see what rules have changed
I am a fucking grinch but come on guys

>>96904261
Some nice art in the rulebook

>>96904375
>keywords rather than just telling you what things do
Are you fucking stupid?

>>96904429
If you’re a first time reader, what requires less flipping around. Telling me a gun is AP-1, or making me look from the warband rules to the main rules to tell me that?

>release rules to redirect discussion from the STL debacle
I can't believe they'll get away with it.
Take me away from this timeline.

>>96904434
Why would you design a rulebook for first-time readers, instead of for players? That's the most secondary thing I've ever heard lol

An interaction like, "This dude has Armour Piercing" --> "Oh ok let me look that up" happens multiple times. If that same Armour Piercing effect happens multiple places in the rules you use USRs or keywords.

>>96904375
You saw one symbol yet you pluralized the word. Is that intellectually honest or dishonest? Besides, it's a symbol for currency, it's exactly equivalent to $ or £.

>>96904481
Glory and Ducats both use a symbol, they’ve inverted the colours but because of the size I have to zoom in

>>96904457
>implying that your players won’t at some point be first time readers, in a fucking 1.0 book
Are you trying to be retarded?

>>96904493
Do you think the 1.0 version is released for new players to read, and then a 2.0 comes out for players that have some experience, and then a 3.0 comes out for seasoned veterans?

You design the book for players. The people who are bought-in and keep your game alive. Not for slowed shitheads who have never played anything other than 40K 8th-9th-10th and need all the rules for a unit on a single page because they have the memory of a shrimp.

Used to be an expectation that players would, y'know, read the whole rulebook. It was the price of entry. Now fags expect to go in blind and just play the game by turning rulebook pages one at a time and following along.

>heavy flamethrower has -1 injury dice
has it always been like this and I've been reading the rules wrong or did they just fuck up when copy pasting the flamethrower rules

>>96904440
cool it with the antisemitic remarks

>>96904440
They’re giving temp bans to people who mention the STL issue in their discord now

>>96904624
I'm shocked, so the wholesome devs were just money hungry pieces of shit like all along

>>96897583
Read Job.
>>96904552
Always was like that.
Ignored armor, rolled a -1 dice.

TC newfag here. I'm not a 3D proonter (I respect, love the tech, it its just not a hobby skill I want to develop).

Are they going to build more plastic kits for TC? I saw their new plastic kit for their little german troopers and they looked pretty cool, and I also generally support a company that has free rules / selling STLs.

>>96904261
Tried and true tactic. Drop good thing after bad thing because it’ll make people go “who cares about bad thing, good thing!”

>>96904868
Read their news and find out?

>>96904868
Only plastic kits from now on, if you’re American they’re 85 USD a piece.

>>96904868
They're only doing plastic kits moving forward.

>>96905030
>>96904974
Wait, so its not going to be both? What the fuck? I always thought STLs were too niche to run an entire company off of but... man that really sucks. I assume their community is losing their minds over it?

I guess if they sold STLs along their model kits people would just buy from printers who undercut them so they can't do both but... fuck.

>>96904974
You can get them way cheaper from North Star
But that being said I'm not buying the official models lmao, it's print or nothing

>>96905141
They're a kitbash oriented game, kitbashing is easiest with hard plastic.

>>96904493
>a book should be designed with the only the first time you use it in mind not the 100+ other times you use it.

>>96905141
Nope. Only plastics (with the possibility of single model STL releases)

>>96905167
That's true, I quite love kitbashing GW models, but I use resin / proonted parts all the time. If a connection is shaky I use brass rod or superglue. The STL model gave me a lot hope for the game as its so consumer friendly. Stepping away from it makes me a bit sad and less excited to invest time / energy into this IP.

You might say I'm an "on the fence but interested because the game, miniatures, and business model look good" potential customer. Seeing such a massive change in the business model makes me thing "oh it must not be doing very well and they are scrambling to save the game" which makes me even less likely to get into it. Does that make sense?

>>96905217
They ain't coming for your models, bro.
The base rules are still strong, the possibility for kitbashing is still there, and it doesn't cost much to get a warband up and running.
I got basic IS and Antioch warbands put together for around 40 dollars total, using a 10 dollar box from my lgs and paint I already had, with extra money for bitz 'n shitz.

>>96905437
Unit the Trench Crusade store tournament document comes in. Official Trench Crusade plastics only, your store needs to sell em ya know?

No more exploding flamethrowers :(

>>96896852
>this is not a serious ip.
>weird history WW1 against Hell itself is 'serious'
You seem to think something that the rest of us are not.

>>96905466
A lot of weird changes in the new rules, like NA Engineers are worthless now

>>96905449
When that happens, come back here and bitch.
'Until' then, stop the chicken little talk.
>he's talking about 'tournaments' like any of the people who want to play the game care about those

>>96905526
>3D Print Game! Freedom to the players!
>Plastic Kits are just alternatives
>Well just plastics is good (you are here)
>TC offical models only
>Complete GW carcinization

>>96905507
I'm still trying to browse through and compare the changes but yeah +dice to melee...It really feels like they just messed up copy pasting some stuff, there's no way surely

>>96904481
So why are the "people" on discord melting down so hard? I got a ping for this fucking server I haven't looked at in a year and immediately left the server when I saw the chaos. Is the 1.0 release that bad or the printfags screaming in rage?

>>96905883
@everyone was dropped and it caused memes, mostly to distract from STLs and the 1.0 rules wonkyness

>>96905573
That's what I'm afraid of.

Isn't one of the main features of this setting that you can print your armies?

>>96906156
Why would you think that Anon? You don’t want to be banned from the Discord do you?

>>96905573
>I don't play tournaments and have no intention of buying official models, only buying the rules and playing the game with my own kitbashes
This is where I'm at.
You are having GW dreams already.

>>96900781
Because it's following the precedent set by the catholic church.

>>96906156
>Isn't one of the main features of this setting that you can use whatever models you want to represent your armies
Yes. Printing was a thing that came about when they didn't have any models to sell, so they sold the STLs instead. It was never claimed to be a 'feature', but a stopgap for modelets to feel included.

>>96899410
I understand moving away from 3D printing as its absolutely not scaleable for the level of production TC would require (and certainly not by fucking Only-Games of all places) but why remove the STL component as well? It is barely any extra effort to release them and all it does is tarnish community trust by withholding them. Now people with 3D printers aren't going to buy your kits and are just going to buy or pirate proxies instead. Are they retarded?

>>96906294
The creators are kinda geniuses, they never said they were going to be 3d print only, but never contradicted the fan hype train when they were saying it.

Anyone else rather dissappointed with the new rulebook?
Visually it's nice, but for something they've been working on for so much time there doesn't seem to be that many changes and the ones there are largely feel... baffling
I feel like many things that used to already be quite strong for some reason got even stronger (for example submachine guns, flamethrowers, satchel bombs, the Sin Eater's ability, hell, most of mercs really now that you can elite them). At the same time, many units or items that have been absolutely ridiculously effective at least in my group's campaign were left completely untouched. The same goes for stuff that was borderline useless and really needed a revision.
Also sad to see that The Dragon is still an absolute pushover for any warband with some armour piercing (i.e. any sensible warband really). At least it doesn't escape so quickly now.
The new scenarios are cool though and new campaign score system feels sensible and fixes weird cases in some scenarios where you could technically lose but still gain more victory points.

>>96906286
>precedent set by the catholic church.
You mean by a king of France who was very bad with money and a corrupt inquisitor De Nogare?

Jacques de Molay literally did nothing wrong.

>>96906432
This is the free version, Tuomas mentions a bunch of lore in 'the full book' that we dont get here. Plus there's art we had in the playtest that isn't here either.

>>96906460
Also they’re tying new lore to plastic kit releases according to the discord.

>>96906434
Sure them too I guess, but I did mean the Catholic church. The order was disbanded by the command of Pope Clement V. Your dispute is ultimately with papal authority.

As for Jacques, getting burnt at the stake seems like a pretty big thing to get wrong in life.

>>96906460
I'm talking mostly about balance changes here, why would those be any different between what they've published today and whatever "full book" is coming?

>>96906539
>As for Jacques, getting burnt at the stake seems like a pretty big thing to get wrong in life.
Is that why the impious line of Philip "The Fair" (more like "The Faggot") ended precisely like Jacque de Molay predicted it would?

>>96906667
I'm not here to defend any french kings, Molay certainly unfairly took the fall.
But even still, I've never been burnt at the stake. Have you ever been burnt at the stake? Whatever way you cut it, something's clearly gone very wrong to end up in that position (bound to a burning stake). He probably should have tried harder to avoid getting burnt at that stake.

>>96906807
It was medieval times, they’d send 7 year olds to be torturously executed for the crime of being related to a baron who’d pissed off a king

Companion/Compendium anon here, quick summary of our plans with 1.0

> We had a (very small) window of time before release where we had rules, so we're already done with the 'rules' book and are working on updating things to match the warband book now.
> 1.0 update is our top priority so campaigns are being delayed a bit, but they were almost done before 1.0 dropped so it shouldn't be too long.
> We are keeping 1.6.4 around as an option for the time-being so people in tournaments can keep using them.
> You can pick which version your warband uses, and the old rules will have their own section in the compendium.
> This wont be forever, and all our bug fixes/future updates will just be with the main 1.0 release.

>>96906829
Not me, I'd figure out some way to avoid getting burnt at the stake. Burning at the stake is the wrong direction for my life, so I'd always avoid going down that direction. Maybe Molay and the 7 year olds had different priorities though.

Why are 3d printer pajeets shitting themselves? They can still buy stl files for 1 rupee lakh from 3rd party websites and field them on the table and if there aren't official stl files for the model, they can just 3d print a proxy.

>>96907139
The general response I’ve seen on the discord is “I want to toss a coin to my Witcher, but don’t want to spend 85 dollars + Trump Tip to do so”.

>>96907154
I would do it some of the time, I just want the option to print it myself as well. I don't understand how they didn't forsee branding themselves as the "STL game" and then stopping to support those customers wasn't going to backfire.

>>96907185
>backfire
>implying they won't be defended to hell and back for being an indie company with 3 million dollars

>>96907185
They’re hoping the risk of using the 3D Printing fans as a stepping stone will pay off.
There’s apparently in OGL in the works but we’ll see

>can't meet massive demand, people would have bought plastic boxes from kick starter if they could but only had resin slop available
>decide to sell plastic so the vast majority can start the hobby
>3d printer people get mad even though they can still go and 3d print all the models they want from cults3d.in or the other 6 gorrilion websites.
So the drama is literally they also want the 1:1 stl of the plastics even though they have 6 million other versions of each model?

I'm glad they are coming out with plastic kits. 3D printing is a hobby on its own and working with resin is ass

something wicked this way came

>>96904016
No.

>>96905573
You still have access to stls from every warband tho and they said those aren't going away? This is just a box for a variant list which can still use the original stls.

>>96905449
>Unit the Trench Crusade store tournament

Who cares about tournaments?

>>96907323
Also the hypothetical where a proonter isn't allowed to join a tournament in a potential future for a game not built for tournament play.

>>96905573
Reminds me of Battletech events mandating official models only even though they initially didn't care. The absolute state.

>>96907959
Wasn’t there one where they banned the old metal models despite them being official because they weren’t the new ones?

>>96907323
the drama is because 3d model files of the plastic models do exist because they must exist to facilitate the production process and they're choosing not to release them as printable stl files because it would undercut their plastic range. it's an objectively good thing the plastic range is being made, it's just scummy they're refusing to release stls for the new plastic minis as well especially when they built their company on stl sales from the printfags. i dont even own a resin printer and i see this as a disappointing move by them, more options is always a good thing.
>>96907916
>it's just a variant list
>there won't be dozens of more variant lists in the future
>there won't be new plastic only warbands in the future as they expand the lore that have no stl alternative

>>96907976
Yeah. And you still have the official Wizkids Battletech models banned at everything. It's fucking stupid.

>>96907952
The decision to not make new files for sale anymore is a complete nothingburger for me. Like the other anon said, just print a 3rd party equivalent.
The decision to only allow official stuff on events, if it ever happens, would be a major dick move though, since they've bragged how conversion/3rd party friendly the game is and will always be ever since day one. And I don't give a flying fuck about tournaments.
>>96907977
>there won't be new plastic only warbands in the future as they expand the lore that have no stl alternative
Seeing how the current models seem to have a fucktonne of stl alternatives even with official files readily available, many of which don't even differ much from the originals, I don't think this is going to be that big of an issue, unless the popularity of the game will quickly plummet

>>96908015
>it's ok that they're screwing you because third party alternatives exist

>>96908044
And how exactly were you "screwed"?
You still have the files they've released so far and they're not going anywhere
You can easily buy the future releases in plastic
If you don't want to buy those, you can print or kitbash an alternative and use it for your games
Nothing they've ever actually promised has been taken from you and this decision doesn't inconvenience you in any real way
>Noooo, but I need these specific models and I refuse to use any similar looking alternatives, but also I refuse to just buy them in plastic like a normal person, this is such an outrage!
Touch grass and ventilate those resin fumes

>>96908116
>Nothing they've ever actually promised has been taken from you and this decision doesn't inconvenience you in any real way
I cant print any of their official sculpts they release from this point forward, which is the only reason I got into it

>>96908116
>you're not being screwed because technically they never promised to do stls forever
it would cost them almost nothing to release the stls, anon. that's my objection. i don't expect them to necessarily produce new mini files forever but the fact is that the files do exist because they must exist as part of the plastic production process and they are withholding them because they are scared it would cannibalize their plastic sales.

>>96849317
Gnostic Antihero Hermets that fight everyone and have their own weird take on events

>>96908190
>it would cost them almost nothing to release the stls, anon. that's my objection

Handing every single 3-d pointer the means to undercut you using your exact designs is a pretty heavy cost anon. I'm not even referring to people who print for personal use, I can guarantee every 3rd party printer would just throw them up on their store considering they can potentially get around tariffs and shipping FF can't. Nevermind the fact that the 3-d printer shops don't have to worry about the cost of scale meeting the demand.

>>96907977
>>it's just a variant list
>there won't be dozens of more variant lists in the future

Which you continue to use the already existing STLs for anon.

>>there won't be new plastic only warbands in the future as they expand the lore that have no stl alternative

>what are 3rd parties
>what is kitbashing

>>96908044
>people not giving you things for free is "screwing you"

>>96853541
I'm still baffled by Potsdam

>>96908359
They charge for their STLs. I just want them to keep their promises.

>please saar, give me all of your model stls, rules and anything I could possibly want for free
>here are all the free rules and here are tons of fan made alternatives in addition to all of the stl we already made, you can still play trench crusade for free
>bloody betch banchood, give me official model stl too, I do not get paid enough in google play cards
>sorry but we are investing a lot of time, effort and resources into plastic injection molding and production just to have them on etsy for 1 rupee, but again we would like to clarify you are more than free to play with countless well made free community models
>saar give me stl now for free, we are super power 2030

>>96908473
>the entire range will be available as STLs
so that was a fucking lie

I watched a battle report of this and it looked neat, but I have no idea how things die because they kept getting blood tokens or whatever instead of dying

Okay I looked at the rules and it's surprisingly simple
Things not having HP is really weird to me but I get how it works at least

>>96908524
Whenever something gets hit, you make an injury rolls for it. on a roll of 9 or more, it dies. Armour gives negative modifiers to this roll, meaning you need to roll higher scores to kill armoured targets.
Blood markers don't do anything by themselves, but you can spend blood markers from the target to give you bonus dice on injury rolls agains them, increasing the likelihood of finishing them off. If a target has enough of them, you can spend them all on a big finishing strike. They can also be spent on other things, like giving them negative modifiers to their rolls. Narratively they're supposed to be things like minor injuries, shock, battle fatigue etc. They're not really "hp"

>>96908582
>Blood markers don't do anything by themselves, but you can spend blood markers from the target to give you bonus dice on injury rolls agains them, increasing the likelihood of finishing them off. If a target has enough of them, you can spend them all on a big finishing strike. They can also be spent on other things, like giving them negative modifiers to their rolls. Narratively they're supposed to be things like minor injuries, shock, battle fatigue etc. They're not really "hp"
I figured that from watching the thing I was watching, I just didn't understand why things just died sometimes. But like I said just now I got it after I read it, it's surprisingly simple. I don't hate the way they did it I think.

>>96908577
Honestly not having to track such things speeds the game up a lot and generally works pretty well. Also adds a bit of strategic depth (do I want to spend this marker now, or wait until they get more of them to make killing them more certain? Do I want to save the marker on enemy to finish them off later, or do I want to spend it now to try and mess up a crucial roll they're making?). However, quite often it also leads to situations where you spend a bunch of markers from an enemy, but make a very unlucky roll and don't do much, feeling as if you've "healed them"

>>96908582
Oh yeah but thanks anyway.
>>96908631
Didn't think about the "healing" thing but that sounds like it'd suck yeah damn. I was mostly confused because the game felt very non-lethal, but I only watched a single battle report, could just be the dice there.

>>96908473
>They charge for their STLs.
Which have no form of copy protection. Making them defacto free.

Also the entire range of that kickstarter is available as STLs and will continue to be.

>>96908473
Pretty sure with the "range" they meant the kickstarter minis.
Still, I wonder why they don't make stls of other factions. Either its a waste of money, because third parties will do it anyway. Or they ensure plastic minis stay profitable (for them and company making the minis), by ensuring there are no official stls.
But I'm sure my guessing is useless, and the devs will be asked in some interview about it.

So other than access to limited edition hardcover rulebooks, exactly what did kickstarter backers get for their investment into Trench Crusade that non-backers don’t get?

>>96904375
>no changelog so you can actually see what rules have changed
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B8vuPvWSubmoiCjKbJKADQv-tnRhd_79U2OyqSio168/edit?tab=t.0

>>96897583
He’s testing the free will of the faithful, duh.

>>96902392
>Why yes, the pantograph machine that cuts the dies for our plastic models uses 3D files
>Why yes, those files would be easily convertible to STLs usable by home 3D printers
>Why yes, we will go to all the hassle of creating said files but won’t let the honest people who bought the main line STLs in the kickstarter campaign have them
>smol company pls understand

>>96905141
Good news is that 3D scanners are getting cheaper and better by the day so I have no doubt that some pissed off anon will scan the sprues/models so that we resin printer kings can go brrrrr all we like.

All of this has illustrated how much of a cancer hyperprintlets are, and how they should be actively drummed out of the hobby by the other actually-genuine good faith participants. I am specifically talking about the "I will ONLY print and never buy" fags, not people who have a healthy hybrid approach.

These leeches want to experience the benefits of world class art and game design, world class miniature design, world class lore, credentialed big-name game designers, active play communities and LGS participation/promotion, and, most importantly, a living game with buzz and libido and enthusiasm behind it, but they want all of that to magically be done on the cheap, by altruistic Designer-Benefactors who do it out of loving charity and aren't allowed to make it into their job or attempt to run a successful business.

Hyperprintlets are mooches. They're parasites. They want to be a part of something that requires people spending money to keep it going, but they don't want to be the ones spending money. They want access to full ranges for pennies despite the fact that they're nogames of the highest order and will never print or play with an entire range's worth of figures. If you encounter a hyperprintlet, spit in his eyes, batter him prone, and then grind his withered testicles against the pavement under your heel.

Personally I'm just glad to see plastic kits are slowly happening, anyone melting down over it is presumably a 3djeet as far as I'm concerned

>>96910218
Making the STLs available to kickstarters is literally how Trench Crusade got so many backers. Without 3D printer kings subsidizing the rest of you assmad printerless poorfags it may never have gotten off the ground.

You’re welcome, printer-hating schizo.

>>96911110
Yeah you guys *clears throat* kickstarted it. Coining a phrase there LMAO LOL bear with me, like I'm using the metaphor of starting up a bike engine. You did that for an idea. And for your contribution you got everything you were promised. And now the people whose idea you kickstarted have a viable path forward into being a real ongoing concern that justifies itself, instead of becoming a forgotten one-and-done.

>>96905573
You forgot the first step
>kitbashed minis from historical and bitz

>>96907323
>decide to sell plastic so the vast majority can start the hobby
The whole thing was for making your own conversion from various historical to rip of Turnip you dumb proctology frog poster.

Physical rulebooks are printing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DEoQgYw3Fg

>Boo hoo they won't release the files so I can steal them online
Pretending your reasoning is anything but this is farcical

>>96909683
Why should backers get something non-backers do? Minis are being sold, or you can make your own. The rules are free on the online. The rulebook would have been sold regardless after the kickstarter campaign ends.

>5foot Manlet in raised boots standing in front of poster child of game as a black woman
This games cooked already, isn’t it?

>>96911698
You faggots have been screaming that for months, and now the rules are finished, the book being printed and sent out, and hard plastic kits exist with far more are on the way.

>>96911698
kek

>>96911698
hes doing this to spite that guy that would always call him based

>>96911698
She looks pretty cool, normally black women in sci fi look super out of place and kind of weird. She actually looks like a character and the milky, dead eye and tatoo are tasteful details without being over done. Much better than GW's black women who all look like 65 year uggo momma of 15.

picrel is official art of a GW SoB character and I think TCs strong independent black woman looks much better. maybe its because british artists literally cant draw brown people?

>no more STLs!
I don't care, I never printed anything.
>plastic only!
I don't care, I never bought a single miniature for a wargame before.
>TC official only! (for what?)
I don't care, no one's coming to my house and forcing me to do anything.
>They're gonna start selling printed rules!
I don't care, I've never bought a wargames rulebook either.
>They said X and now are doing Y
I don't care. It doesn't affect me or my group.

>Y-you HAVE to care! Because...because I can't troll you if you don't!

>>96911794
this is the worst bait ive ever seen. take your (you) and never talk again.

>>96908349
People acting like everything is mandated to by WYSIWYG.
I only do that on basic bitch troops that I proxied 3 dozen of because I have a million bits.
>>96908491
This entire thing is sounding like manufactured outrage

>>96911818
It's not bait. If it made you mad and you think that was on purpose then you're probably one of the shitheads I'm greentexting.

Quick visual summary of 3dprintfags regarding plastic kits

>>96911828
The entire point of Trench Crusade is that its an art project, no good faith poster would defend the slightest move away from that. This game should be by and for people willing to create their own models based on cool art.

>>96911895
>but how does this affect ME personally?

>>96911961
It doesn't.

>>96911923
Yes, and that's usually accomplished with kitbashes and personalized details, not printing direct models.

>>96911895
NTA, but it's bait because it's pure nogames nonsense that has nothing to do with topic.

>>96911973
>>96911895
Its bait because being upset that other people care about issues that affect them (but not (You)) is extremely autistic, so autistic in fact that it begets incredulousness, seems inauthentic, and manufactured for the purposes of getting a reply.

>i have lots of food, why are people so concerned about getting food

>>96911979
It's not bait, it's a declaration of not being baited by the recent common statements.
How is it nogames? I'm playing TC every week with some mates in a campaign. We're three games in now completely undisturbed by the online turbulence. You can do it too, all of you.

If anything the shitposting over 'oh no no TCsisters how are we killing GW now!!!???' comes from the nogame faggots.

>>96912002
No one cares. It's concern trolling, false flag bullshit retards bite every single time.
>food analogy

>fa/tg/uys turned into bootlicking faggots
what happened

heres my hot take, if you have the ability to 3d print why wouldn't you digibash or just make your own models? If you want Official Content why wouldn't you just buy the plastics?

>>96908750
Most forms of copy protection can be removed by a motivated teenager. Provide a good service and most people will pay for it. Be a bitch to deal with and people will pirate.

>>96912007
Fanbase is this game is mind broken

>>96911655
>Why should people who supported the product financially in its startup phase get something that the latecomers and noncontributors don’t?

You cannot possibly be this stupid.

>>96912005
>never bought models
>never bought a book
You play with strips of paper?
Yes, the whining is myopic, but you are staging yourself as a guy who doesn't play the game.

What am I in for?

>>96912117
I was never promised exclusivity of stuff I fund, neither do I really want it. I crowdfunded to make game possible, for other people too.
Did you dream of strutting around the game table, showing off you were the one of original believers, and flaunting exclusive stuff?

>>96912198
desire for snackz

>>96912224
holy based

>>96906844
Hi trench anon, great work as always! Do you have any plans to add the other westfalia subfactions or just keeping it to the partner program ones?

I cant see how anons can’t comprehend that
>a printerfag might be upset that they can’t print any new official models
The same as
>a plasticfag might be upset if they could only kitbash models, and got nothing official

>>96912224
>I was never promised exclusivity of stuff I fund
Good for you. We have differing attitudes towards returns on investment, clearly.
>I crowdfunded to make game possible, for other people too.
Glad you have the warm fuzzies.
>Did you dream of strutting around the game table, showing off you were the one of original believers, and flaunting exclusive stuff?
No, I dreamed of being a condescending cunt who huffs his own farts but you cornered the market.

>>96912315
He used an anime reaction image anon his opinion is already gutter trash

>>96912315
>differing attitudes towards returns on investment
Anon.. you knew exactly what you will get for the money you invest. You chose to spend the agreed amount of money, and recieve the stuff you paid for. If anything, you get more than you were promised, since the Kickstarter success allows you to recieve Carcass Front for free. Now you're just demanding extra over entitlement.

>>96912122
We play on TTS mostly, and in person with paper standees and other minis that they've bought and printed.

>>96912117
>THERE SHOULD BE FINANCIAL FOMO
Little bro, no one would know or care that you had Kickstarter Backer #12532350 Limited Serial Artillery Witch, and nor should they.
No you shouldn't get exclusive stuff. PreOrder Bonuses are asscancer in Gaming and they're asscancer in traditional gaming too lol

>>96912402
Even if there would be one, it would be stl file. So it would get shared, and non-backers would have one too.

>>96911775
>w-well if you compare our ugly black women to GW's ugly black women you'll find that actually...
kek

>>96912026
I’m not paying 85 dollars + any future Trump tips for 8 models.

>>96902392
>>However, as a tiny and meaningless concession to the retards who supported us, we promise not to sue you for making your own 3D printable miniatures that may or may not be compatible with our game.
>FOR NOW

>>96901549
>they're thinking like a company, not some crowdfunded people on a passion project.
It was obvious to me from the moment the map was released, as it shows that no thought was given to the setting at all, but rather that it was a product focused on aesthetics to appeal to the target audience.

Cutest doll

>>96912697
Shit, wrong thread. Sry.

>>96912597
the TC negress isn't ugly though, and actually looks cool

How long has the schizo whose entire enjoyment of the game revolves around the map been an ongoing character in the the thread?

It'd be a good bit if it wasn't mental illness.

>>96912821
Honestly it being a new topic is somewhat refreshing compared to the usual thread shitting

last call for book delivery address, closes the 10th at 9am CET

>>96912821
>A War Unendng

>>96912821
buy more plastic for the i

>>96912824
I think so too

>>96913408
That’s 40 dollar shipping Ameri-cuck

>>96911922
Hope they ban 3d printed models from official events next. Printchuds need to suffer

anyone know what model this is?

errata (that was fast)

> Annointed is 6", not 8" as was printed
> Satchel charge can be used as a ranged attack 1/game
>Executioners axe replaces keywords with CRITICAL, +2 INJURY DICE
> Impervious more clearly states it just impacts the effects of that item, not all items they have.

Flesh Bled
>>96916134
>>96916134
>>96916134

>>96877655
>>96869460
this really is just mordhiem again.

>>96911715
Its weird anons use the cropped version of this to not offend other anons for being sexist.