Thread 96944757

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>Thread question:
Anything from the reveals that have you wanting to start a new project? Why or why not?

Let Chaos idols take this thread!

Anyone played a game recently?

>TQ
The New Nightbringer because I play Necrons. I don’t care for the other dude too much.

>>96944789
Got rolled by Ultras while playing my Crons

>>96944757 (OP)
Lost and the Damned codex fucking WHEN!? I want my Herm Slaangor waifu/husband.

I think the reason the Imperium doesn't feel like it's declining is because we never actually see the Imperium lose anything important. Sure, sometimes some no-name marines might die, or a planet nobody has heard of will fall, but when was the last time an important character died or a famous planet was lost?

>>96944789
2 mint condition baby yodas holy.....

96944800
another crop to avoid filters

>>96944789
>Greytide Votann and unpainted knight in the back
>Boxxed Grogu merch

>>96944753
smex with smelves

>>96944789
last game was a few weeks back
was pretty fun

>>96944811
Its a different picture u dumb ape

>>96944789
yeah
got practically tabled with only a handful of bloodletters left at the end but i won because my opponent hadn't painted his army

>couldn’t get the Assault Termies after all
>couldn’t get any Victrix Honor Guard either
At least I got a Terminator Calgar….

>>96944757 (OP)
So, if I'm looking for some sort of masking tack, where exactly do I look and what brands am I looking for?

My lgs don't have green stuff, and even the hobby lobby only had adhesive and hardening putty, not tack

People say "regular" silly putty works, but idk what that looks like or where to find it. Would they have it at walmart?

>>96944842
Sorry to hear that, did your LGS get swarmed or did they just not get enough stock?
Mine had tons of boxes so I was able to get a battleforce without an issue

>>96944800
Instead of buying another knight or kit next you should buy two more dice cubes so you can scatter them around and make it less obvious that this isn't a game

>>96944861
LGS got a modest amount, but it’s in a mall and there was a weekend convention today so lots of people were there already.

>>96944804
We saw plenty of instances where the Imperium sacrifices millions of guardsmen to kill one ork, at least in the older lore.

>>96944804
Reminder that you can destroy infinite Imperial worlds and the writers will keep creating new ones. Destroy as many as you want, the Imperium will always have more. So long as it's not an actual plot important place like Terra or Ultramar, the Imperium can suffer any number of losses because the worlds you destroyed literally didn't exist before the story that destroyed them.

The Imperium is unstoppable. The Emperor has already won.

>>96944845
Red egg silly putty. The classic. I can't vouch for the translucent or glow in the dark or anything else. But OG red egg works well and other people seem to have similar experiences

>>96944869
…just because you’re a nogames doesn't me the rest of us are.

>>96944845
>>96944884
Also tack is something else. It's stickier and is generally used for attaching things in subassemblies while spraying or painting. It also tends to bond with paint a little bit so it's bad for masking, but silly putty isn't nearly as sticky

>>96944897
Hm okay. I assume I can find this in walmart, but what kind of aisle would it be in?

>>96944891
>us
you're not one of us

>>96944869
nigga said that aint no game
>i can tell by the pixels

>>96944789
Went 0-3 at the tourney today :^)

can we go ONE thread without giving him a (You)

>>96944881
Guardsmen are infinitely disposable, their deaths don't matter.

should I read the horus heresy

>>96944946
that poster is infamous for staging his models to make it look like he plays (he doesn't, he spends 16 hours a day waiting for people to talk about him here)

>>96944964
No

What's the verdict?

>>96944980
they're both great

>>96944980
Look at those baby hand power fists on new Cataphractii. Cute.

>>96944937
Yes I am, more so than you because I have many models painted and many games played. You on the other hand are a nuisance without models or frens.
>>96944946
>>96944971
You’re a samefagging loser with nogames or models

>>96944980
I never thought I would need to breed someone in terminator armor but here we are.
But really they’re shit for 40k for both loyalists and chaos.

>>96944891
Gonna cry?
Gonna beg your discord to come raid us on your behalf and get ignored by even them again? Lmao

>>96944980
i love them :)

>>96944999
wuh

>flipping through Janus Draik's Big Book of Xenos
>come across picrel of an Enslaver
>realize that this mind-controlling alien has a line through the middle of its face with an "orb" in the middle
>same as a Tau Ethereal
If Tau were created by the Eldar, is it possible that they may have used Enslaver DNA to create the Ethereals? The forehead nub might be the gland that allows them to subjugate others.

IIRC, Enslavers themselves don't have psychic powers like most other races, and specifically feed on psykers... maybe this made them more compatible for Tau transplanting?

>>96944980
Cats look like Max Teevee fresh out of the taffy puller. I like the old ones more but I don't hate the new ones and will probably pick a few up. New Indomitus termies are great though.

>>96944980
they took the chunkiest terminators (pre-saturnine retcon) and turned them skinny
they're shit

>>96945001
What the hell are you talking about?? You sound completely deranged and rabid.

>>96944980
I don't care for the new Cataphractii. Something seems off about the proportions, makes them seem taller and more thinner which I don't think they should look like.

>>96945013
thanks for giving me the opportunity to post this before you could delete it from your server ;)

>>96945007
My bad I didn’t mean to lump you in there. Im dealing with a raving schizo attacking me.

>>96944804
...like Cadia?

>Fatalittled
is decal mutant a femboy. I may change my stance on him if he actually is cute.

this thread is p funny atm
yall remember the stream last night and all the technical difficulties?
that shit was mad funny ngl

>>96945018
I knew it, you disgusting pig Risotto from the discord. You should be banned for your shit stirring.

>>96945027
He posted his HRT a few threads ago.

>>96945027
Keep your twisted fantasies so yourself creep.

>>96945026
Who fucking cares? Losing it didn't make them go away, we have even more of those lousy cocksuckers now.

>>96945031
Nope, if I were him the quote would be highlighted
Sorry bud, keep leaping at shadows

>>96945042
if he has to take it I dont think hes naturally cute then. Which does not spark confidence.

>>96945045
No fantasy here until the culo has been seen yet friend.

>>96944931
That I couldn't tell you. Maybe the aisle with like playdoh and creative toys, but it very easily could be something on an end cap or hanging from a strip in the middle of some random toy or craft section

>>96945026
10 THOUSAND YEARS of constant conflict and the Imperium loses ONE WORLD of any importance

>>96944959
Doubtful. A couple people here seem desperate to give him the attention he wants for some reason

>>96945016
I feel like the 10th edition Indomitus Terminators tried to maintain the bulkiness of the old Terminator sculpts while scaling them up. This made them bigger than they “should” be. New Cataphractii seems like they just wanted to upscale the proportions.

>>96945048
Lol you’re so fucking dumb. I know its you, you lunatic. Get some mental health help you nomodels freak!

>>96945061
every world is important anon
as is every human life

>>96945064
How about you tell those retards to stfu then?

>>96944964
no

>>96944789
I was supposed to play a game today but my buddy had to cancel. I decided to put the chapter badge on this guy instead.

>>96944980
They're ok, hope we'll get the tartaros remade too

>>96945018
Jesus fuck dude. I'm glad I fucking left that shit the minute he jumped in there, I knew that's what was gonna happen

>>96945069
>Lol you’re so fucking dumb
Yes, you have no way to actually rationalize it so you default to calling the people proving you a liar crazy or stupid
sorry bud, you need a new playbook!

>>96945016
Jesus, the old kit really does look better.

>96945075
I have. I've also told you to stfu and neither have worked

>>96945086
Its completely chill there other than one dude who is obsessed with me, just like here conveniently.

>>96945018
How socially inept is this dude?

>>96945082
Damn aggressors look pretty sweet with cat shoulders

>>96945047
It wasn't asked, "what if a faction or subfaction was removed from the game," what was asked was, "when is the last time some significant loss occurred?"

A question was asked. It was answered.

>>96945096
meant for >>96945075

>>96944757 (OP)
I like orks :D

>>96945104
Its a totally normal chill place on the discord. Stop believing the lies.

>>96945016
I like the proportions of the old ones a little better as well. Their legs feel fatter and overall much chunkier. I think there's likely quite a few ways to upscale cataphractii out there already

>>96945073
This ain't the fucking Tau, the Imperium will lose a million Imperial Guard regiments and write it off as a rounding error.

I gotta get my guys painted by the time this Titus campaign releases. Will likely have to forgo bringing Assault Terminators to games though.

can i join the discord?

>>96945113
I didn't put the second quote for a reason genius

>>96945127
Anyone can, its very normal because people can be ID’d on it.

WIP of my Harlies. C+C desired.

They're meant to be based on mimes so I want to keep with the black&white theme but I do also want to break it up a little bit. I'll post a picture of my finished Troupe but I feel like vehicles might need a little more to really pop.

>>96945117
The only one with a proven track record of lies is you the fecalfag

does the rule of 3 mean i can only have 3 units of boyz total or 3 20 models and 3 10 models units?

>>96945132
Dont mimes traditionally have a red scarf or cheek makeup? Could be nice to use red as a splash

>>96945132
Picture of the finished Troupe. Harlies are meant to act as a "bridge" between my Craftworlds and Dark Eldar.

I can't really say that I can do BETTER at painting the models. I'm aware of my own (lack) of ability. I just want to make sure that the models look alright from the tabletop.

>>96945135
3units in total

>>96945117
>lies
dunno, you just got caught lying by that guy and then started stamping your feet and screaming to ignore him

>>96945135
Aren’y Ork Boyz a battleline unit? You should be able to take 6 units. But the rule of three means 3 units regardless of the size for the other units in your army.

>>96945133
>>96945148
You’re the biggest snake in the general you degenerate serpent.

>>96945107
Thanks anon

>>96945121
Ik it's stupid but an energetic catgirl guardsman can have my soul idc

>>96945153
just looked up yeah they get 6

>>96945108
That's cool and all but I fucking hate Cadians

>>96945132
definitely a splash of colour somewhere on the bike would help

>>96945148
That's what he does every time. I don't know why he always asks people to prove it or claims people are telling lies about things you can instantly prove wrong. Especially if it's just gonna make him mad after someone answers. I don't get it

>>96945155
I always found that you talk funny, are you from a non-english country?
Or are you just really autistic.

>>96945174
He has the low functioning autistic dialect

>>96945171
What is the lie you fat bitch? Name it!

>>96945181
>I totally didn't ask my discord to come raid the thread
>oh that picture of me asking them to come harass the thread? Ignore that

why haven't auxilian been important in 40k

>>96945180
I don’t have any autism you stupid fool.

Friends and I got too drunk to play games last night, but woke up to find a friend built this for his Orks.

>>96945195
I said for them to attack you the schizo, thats not raiding. That’s a righteous crusade!

>>96945155
Everyone you don't like is not the same person and this has been demonstrated to you many times

>>96945212
Yes we know you’re a multiple devices user because you have no life and are ugly and dumb.

>Imperial Guard has functionally infinite numbers
>Somehow loses any war ever
How?

>>96945202
pretty cool

>>96944595
>>96944601
You just FUCKING KNOW they're going to reintroduce him as an upgrade sprue to the Invictor so it can be sold as a Warsuit/Dreadnought/Acheran Interred multi-kit.

Also HOLY FUCK I never knew our wee laddie was the big bellied MPREG Gravid Captain from Dark Imperium.

>>96945216
because the bureaucracy is so bad they can't apply those numbers of soldiers to a battlefront

>>96944845
silly putty works well, but if you do have access to a hobby lobby, look for this stuff too. it's cheap, works terrible for it's intended use of holding up posters, BUT because it's nowhere near as tacky as it says, this stuff is just fine to use for masking and won't pull up your previous paint like i've had with stickier bluetack or silly putty can.

>>96945216
nids and orcs have infinity+

>>96945204
>It's not raiding because I said so!!!
Just stay in your discord bud, trying to organize raids is against the rules here I'm afraid

>>96945236
I didn’t organize anything you dumb ass

>>96945181
Remember all the times you told us you were going to clean up mouldlines? Or the times that you told us that you already did clean up mouldlines? And then it turned out that you had not? Or all the times you claimed one of the community posters had unbanned you? Or all the times you said a specific modelposter had no issues with you? Or all those times you said you never say racist things? Or all those times you said you didn't know about your nazi dogwhistles? What about all those times

inb4 ur crazy, those dont count, or that was all falseflagging

>>96945225
Literally just add a few zeroes to the numbers of regiments told to go to a battlefield, this is super easy to solve.

>>96944845
i've been using something called museum putty from Home Depot

>>96945216
>message for reinforcements/supplies lost arrived too late, in the warp or the files, sent to the future or past via warp fuckery, warpstorm, blood pact comes instead, or ignored

>>96945244
Listen to yourself, you sound like a madman. Stop trying to follow me and create this dramatic schizo tier thread lore. You’re sick!

>>96945216
>>96945225
>>96945246
L O G I S T I C S

>>96945257
When was the last time that actually happened for any war that mattered?

>>96945264
All of that happened though?
NTA btw

>>96944999
Faggot

>>96945296
YEAR OF THE MONT'KA GUE'LA

>>96945135
Battle line and dedicated transports you can take 6

The dedicated transport is an overlooked rule but as someone with 6 chimeras running mech guard I constantly have to remind my opponents

>>96945273
>>96945301
Talk Warhammer or stfu you scum.

>>96945233
Really? This stuff can be torn off in small pieces, it doesn't just stay in strips?

>>96944802
deity marines are now soup factions
you're gonna have to run mortals in your emperor's children army

idk that much about 40k but
night lords are dope
the emperor needs to come back already or they need to do something with him in the story already
maybe abaddon needs to make an actual play for terra or something idk but something major needs to happen cuz this shit is stale atm
and no girls allowed

>>96945296
>announce a christmas battleforce with farsight
>before it's even for sale announce an in-universe propaganda replacement

Farsight is going to be legends in 11th, isn't he?

>>96945342
>idk that much about 40k
Stop reading there

>>96944757 (OP)
>Tq

Not really. I sleep on the Ultramarine stuff. The new tau suits are cool but they’re epic heroes most likely. I’d rather have a REAL melee suit. Just gonna keep trucking on through my backlog. No need to buy anything soon.

>>96945342
wow you really don't know much about 40k
all the factions are essentially at a stalemate where actual wins and loses are very far and in between
truth be told, the "plot" is moving faster than ever but still needs to move slow because to many shake ups alienate people and no one really likes their guys "losing"

Don't really get the point of the Tau. The Imperium is the protagonist of the setting, so you can't really sell the 'hopeless fight against the inevitable' for xeno races since nobody really cares about them. And they're too small to be a threat to the Imperium.

>>96945356
Being a high tech mecha faction to attract anime fans
This is literally what GW said when they released Tau.

>>96945362
But the Imperium has more mechs and more high-tech stuff than them.

>>96945343
They just released a new model for Farsight in 2023, I don't think they will squat him so soon.

>>96945356
>get the point
Warhammer 40k is a product first and foremost.
Tau appeal to Anime consumers.

>>96945353
nah thats gay get to it already
these little blue ultraniggas are mad boring

>>96945363
And the Imperium doesn't use that stuff nearly as often as the Tau, making it irrelevant when Tau equip their basic troops with high tech weapons regularly.

>>96945341
Marines ruin everything.. I hate them.

>>96945363
No they don't, and their mechs aren't mecha

I freakin love Marines

Was Hector Rex’s size enhancement surgery something anyone could get to be able to fit in power armor, or was he only able to get those enhancements as a child?

>>96945356
>>96945362
>>96945363
It's satire on Chinamen and Blue Helmets. That's it. That's the faction.

>>96945346
If you read the rest of the post, bro was not kidding

>lose interest in current kit I'm working on
Ah fuck, that's twice now

>>96945383
This is actually pretty based. Maybe I'll build that tau army after all

>>96944789
I usually play every week usually but last week I played Trench Crusade instead. I've been painting my skitarii recently because I'm bored with Chaos Knights and Tyranids.

>>96945371
i don't know what to tell you but thats 40k

>>96945391
oh no im being bullied

>>96945407
ye its gay lets get some action

>>96945356
All the major main factions have reached the pinnacle of their technological advancement and are now backsliding for one reason or another like various galactic apocalypses/debilitating mental illness.

Tau tech is allowed to progress, iterate, and improve. It appeals to the mecha audience and guys who love wartime R&D where the roman numerals go up.

The other standout theme is the lack of species supremacy common to 40k, accepting and incorporating other xenos as equals under their doctrine and the unique advantages/crippling disadvantages that entrails. But so far we've got kroot and bugs for models (recently updated which is nice), also BL slop writers can't mentally resist turning the Tau into a redundant milquetoast Imperium clone so it's not really true anyway.

>>96944840
I think we all know you didn't really win if you need to run to painted vs. nonpainted.

>>96945435
it absolutely counts
paint your fucking models

>>96945383
From WD262 article.

>>96944789
Played a game yesterday. It was horrifically unbalanced 3v1 against Necrons. Still quite fun. Thursday I got facefucked by Drukhari. Devilfish in my center got blown up by darklances, rolled like max wounds to every unit around it.

>>96945430
The problem with the Tau is their progress is way too slow. The Imperium was taking 14 planets a day during the Great Crusade. The Tau only have like, 300 planets and haven't taken nearly enough quick enough regardless of their R&D progress.

>>96945435
I've won games despite the other dude getting +10VP for painted.

Skill issue, anon.

>>96945399
Not that you need to be sold any further but the Ethereals used to be referred to as the """CELESTIALS""" a US slur against Chinese for their implication of a divine empire.
>>96945457
That's a good article overall regarding the design elements of the T'au. It's not explicitly stated in the previous blurb but Goodwin based his early Eldar on Robotech Zentraedi while the Tau were based on Gundam (the RX-78-2 Gundam being the basis for the Crisis Suit and the RX-77-2 the Broadside) with the obvious nod to Japanese sode as the main design element of the Fire Warriors.

More importantly though is the reading between the lines of the T'au being Chinese with the blatantly stated Indian<->Japanese comparison being in and of it's self a statement on Chinese adoption of Indian spiritual practices and the contentious ideological/technological perfecting of Chinese economies by the US backed Japanese. The Celestial/Gue'la "hidden" slur based acknowledgement of the "Chinese" aspect of Tau that will never ever be openly acknowledged is a nod to the in the know Tau enjoyer.

>>96945465
During the great crusade the imperium was mostly fighting single system polities or small empires. The Tau don’t have luxury. Their rate of expansion not being zero is more impressive than conquering a hundred barbarian worlds during the great crusade and hunting down space faring pacifists.

>>96945484
The Tau are also the only faction in the game with straight up giantesses as part of their faction

>>96945511
Im unaware of the alleged big blueberry.

>>96945455
It's a literal kitchen table warhammer game, my guy. You're not at a GT. And if you were playing WTC, it would have been a draw even with the not-painted penalty. I hope you enjoy your cope that you totally won your no-stakes game because your opponent happened to bring some unpainted models, and you would have otherwise been 12-8'd.

>>96945529
Paint your fucking models.

>>96945233
Okay I bought the loctite brand of this stuff. Better work

>>96945484
To the Anglo, anything east of Berlin is Asia.

>>96945535
I do. But I'm also not claiming I won my game if my friend beats me while trying out a new squad he put together the night before.

>>96945529
If it's a kitchen table game, then winning or losing doesn't matter. You can't have it both ways retard-kun.

>>96945484
>Not that you need to be sold any further but the Ethereals used to be referred to as the """CELESTIALS""" a US slur against Chinese for their implication of a divine empire.
That is pretty cool. I'm also lowk a weeb so I want to just take 15 mechs and paint them like my favorite mech series

>>96945555
Watch me

>>96945557
Okay see you in two years.

>>96945542
the brand matters A LOT
Different recopies will have different ingredients and will behave differently

>>96945566
What did he mean by this

>>96945555
>play game of warhammer with friend
>look at points
>lost by 6
>my friend has an unpainted 5 man
>A-actually, you lose even though if we went back in time and played the exact same game, but you spraypainted the scouts 10 minutes before starting, nothing about the game changed. Tough luck, pal.

>>96945518
Technically we don't know what they look like but the Vorgh are auxillaries in the Tau Empire that are pretty much the size of Titans IIRC.

>>96945589
>spraypainted the scouts 10 minutes
Nogames self report. Models need to be battle ready not just primed

>>96945589
>losing for not taking 10 minutes to make sure your models are battle ready
Sounds like he deserved it

>>96945367
then why are they trying to clean out the inventory with a discount box with him in it?

>>96945599
Oh you're retarded. I understand.

>>96945618
Sorry no one fell for your low effort bait :(

>>96945435
>>96945529
>>96945589
>NOOOO HOW DARE YOU PLAY WITH THESE RULES I DONT LIKE! >:(
Autism.

>>96945008
But aren't enslavers more like daemons and not material creatures? They may not have any DNA to mix

>>96945663
>IWONIWONIWON

Y-you too

>>96945591
Okay so what youre saying is

>>96945643
U did : )

there sure is a lot of ego in the "playing with fucking toys" thread
i wonder if its like a defense mechanism for how gay your hobby is

>>96945589
Why didn't you help your friend spray paint his scouts? You're being kinda a shit friend right now.

>>96945725
Trauma manifests in really fucking whacky ways.

>>96945725
When being average at 40k is all you have going on in life, you're gonna be pretty adamant about it.

>>96945743
Posted on 4chan.org

>>96945731
True, I concede

>>96945617
They do that shit all the time, add a newer character in with old shit.

>>96945341
>>96944802
EC do not have mortals because they're gay and not in a good way. Putting it another way, the EC focus on PERFECTION means they would never have chaff sex slaves dragging them down. They could, perhaps, have something like the New Men or some cult of peak humans/enhanced humans but then they wouldn't be chaff cultists they'd be like Stormtroopers or something.

>>96945343
farsight is the single best selling kit the tau have, he's not going anywhere lmao

still some touchups to do but i'm just about done with shadowsun

>>96945814
secondary hands typed this post
world eaters are the """elite""" mortal faction, both pre and post cult release, EC utilize hordes of drugged up chaff to experience mass suffering on both sides

Can’t wait for ultramarines to have fucking human auxiliary’s before ec or world eaters get proper chaff units

Played my first game today. Is the "loser bottoms" really a warhammer tradition and mandatory for your first game? I don't think I want to play more games.

>>96945821
Goremongrels and the other ones are not meant to be elites they're meant to be human berzerkers. Any mortal affiliated with the EC would have top tier gear, top tier fighting abilities and top tier physique.
>drugged up
The EC also have drugs, the WE do not have a monopoly on stimms.

>>96945827
world eaters already have theirs though?

>>96944804
Didn't the imperium literally get cleaved in half by the eye of terror?

>>96945821
>EC utilize hordes of drugged up chaff
Nta but EC don't even have chaff models, it's all space marines and it's the World Eaters who have Jakhals who are drugged up cultists. Kharn assults worlds with hordes of drugged up Cultists making planetfall with makeshift drop pods made out of scrap like an ork. You're the unironic secondary if you don't even know basic codex lore.

>>96945835
Freudian slip, I meant chaos knights

>>96945833
>Goremongrels and the other ones are not meant to be elites they're meant to be human berzerkers
retarded secondary
>The EC also have drugs, the WE do not have a monopoly on stimms.
secondary with zero reading comprehension too
>>96945841
>Nta but EC don't even have chaff models, it's all space marines
yes, but in the fluff they sit behind waves of druggies and friendly fire them to get even more sensory overload retard-kun
>You're the unironic secondary if you don't even know basic codex lore.
ironic

Give me a color

>>96945850
orange

>>96945844
Did you get your lore from youtube shorts?

>>96945850
teal

>>96944789
Oh shit, that's the femboy 40k poster's house! t's been a while since he posted.

>>96945837
The eye of terror was introduced into the lore in 1987

>>96945828
I did kek at this

>>96945853
Did you?

>>96945856
>recognizing "the femboy poster's" house

What

>>96945850
Peach

>>96945821
>>96945814
>>96945841
The EC always been mentioned to constantly be raiding for fresh slaves. its just they burn through them quicker than any other legion

>>96945862
I know you definitely did.

>>96945850
Bleen

>>96945856
I don't think it's the same person

Hmm I'm using the wall putty to mask my minis rn and it's working pretty well. Thanks anons. As long as it doesn't overharden too much, I think I'll be in the clear.

>>96945850
The color of your nipples

>>96945844
Retard

>>96945884
I would suggest doing a test spray on a sprue or something. Some of the poster tacks bond with spray and will leave a lip of dried paint and tack along the edge

>>96945858
Oh for fuck's sake you pedantic faggot CIRCATRIX MALEDICTUM

I dont really have use for Farsight as a unit. Can I play him as proxy for a coldstar?

>>96945874
>>96945891
Sorry you got the basic facts of a faction nobody cares about wrong :(

How far do you think I can make the parts in a BT combat patrol go?

I want to kitbash them with other units so I think if I just want to keep things somewhat aesthetic I can do a 2-to-1 ratio. 10 crusaders can donate parts to 20 intercessors and give them an overall good knight aesthetic, 5 sword brethren can go to 10 more or whatever, and so on. Is this too much to expect? Maybe too little?

>>96945892
...

Well, even if that happens, I'll just scrape it off with my knife. I don't exactly have a lot of options

None of this matters because nobody plays EC and that will not change at any point going forward

>>96945828
Most beginners start out doing loser bottoms and then eventually move to winner bottoms when they get better and more comfortable

>>96945899
Just DEW it

oh boy the anti EC schizo got activated, what joy

>>96945903
Silly putty would have been a good option rather than poster tack which people suggested not to get

>>96945894
Its still been almost a decade since that was introduced to the lore

oh boy the nomodels larping as somebody pro-EC got activated, what a joy

>>96945903
Use Liquid Mask from Vallejo instead

>>96945918
>Pro-EC larper is a phone poster
LMAO

>>96945918
Wrong. He posted his Dark Eldar during one of his meltdowns.

>>96945914
That's a good idea

>>96945916
>less popular than chaos daemons
Do you have any counterpoint showing their popularity or just cope?

like fucking clockwork

>>96945814
The EC are the entire reason the "Slave Wars" happened after the Horus Heresy since they were eager for new slaves from burning through their old slaves so quickly that they were willing to go to war against multiple other traitor legions at once. The EC marines don't give a fuck about treating their mortal followers well.

>>96945929
Ignore the schizo
He has no argument

>>96945941
Yeah because they were making drugs out of people.

>>96945941
My point is >>96945956
Any mortla that would be allowed to actually fight with the EC instead of being worked to death and turned into drugs would have to be peak human and near perfect.

>>96945956
>>96945960
Who cares. You don't play them and nobody else does either

>>96945965
Please just kill yourself already.

>>96945927
Almost like there's not only one guy here who makes fun of the biggest flop faction in the franchise

>>96945529
It’s Warhammer, the game and setting about niggas showing off. You’re seriously gonna tell me you have a problem with the game having rules based on whether your shit appears presentable?

>>96945969
>You don't like the army nobody plays? KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF
YWNBAJ

>>96945956
Well yeah, they were doing everything to them except making them "enhanced stormtroopers" like the guy I was replying to claimed. We have seen them keep mortals around to perform for them and generally act like mega sycophants... until EC start indulging themselves. The EC are just way too narcissistic, evil and self-indulgent to ever invest in and maintain quality mortal soldiers, they're probably the last legion to do something like that.

>>96945970
It's not even making fun of them to say they're unpopular, its just the truth

He's going to have this melty through the whole thread, huh?

>>96945984
Unfortunately yes :/

>>96945984
He does it every time someone points out that EC are unpopular

>>96945984
Was it you telling people to kill themselves because someone said your favorite buzz light-years you don't own aren't very popular? Because if so, I don't think you should be claiming people are melting

I sure do love my big red wife magnus the red

>>96944775
gay and forced slop

>>96946013
Keep checking!

>>96946018
Sorry meant for >>96945916
>>96945918
>>96945969
>>96945984

>>96946020
Likely the same person, but yeah you can attach those to my post too, both fit

>>96945484
>>96945511
>>96945518
>>96945755
>>96945905
Made for space wolf BBC.

>>96945960
>they would never have chaff sex slaves dragging them down
That is what I was replying to and its easily shown to be false.
>Any mortla that would be allowed to actually fight with... would have to be peak human and near perfect.
As far as I'm aware there's no real examples of 40k EC being selective about who they use as cannon fodder. They take what they can get an use them until they die.

>>96946027
Ignore him, he's just upset that his headcanon was based on nothing

>>96946029
I'm glad there are far less of those kind of tourists these days now that the primary entry point for them is loreshorts, although they're annoying for their own special reasons

>>96946026
He looks very cool. Tau are lame tho.

The amount of samefags right now is staggering.

So who won?

>>96946033
Wym loreshorts niggas are based

>>96946042
>Space Marine mocking the use of magic when their Imperium is chock full of mages

>>96946041
>a thread full of regulars has regulars posting in it
Shocking.

I hope I can like orks when 11th rolls around, I need a cheap 40k army. Nids and Necrons didnt really appeal to me.

>>96946042
Ultramarines. As always.

>>96946057
Orks won't be the starter according to Valrak.

>>96946059
what will be then.

>>96945589
battle ready is +3 colors. even primed and a white dry brushing is not battle ready lol. Read a White Dwarf sometime, they can teach you to paint some!

>>96946059
>according to valrak

>>96946064
>3+ colors
nope, it's every detail painted in and washed and the basing being completed

why don't the ultramarine successors do shit

>>96946066
He's right every single time it's his rumor and not speculation.

>>96946074
Same reason most others don't do shit. Most fluff you can be retooled to fit a more popular product line

>>96946052
hypocrisy is a core part of most 40k factions

>>96946085
Except the times hes wrong

>>96946066
Well he was completely right about krieg, Eldar, deldar, space wolves, blood angels, dark angels, ultras, emperor’s children, tons of random minor stuff and that's only very recently

any sleepy bros here

i'm so tuckered out

>>96946085
Ah sorry I must've missed the Huron and Corsairs reveals yesterday, could you point me to them?

>>96946124
Hurons coming for your seed soon enough dont rush him

>>96946133
Did you miss the part where they said yesterday was the last reveals of the year?

any of yall make/see/have a commissar cain/ and jurgen mini to share?

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>96946137
oh no a whole 3/4s + 1 months, It's so fucking over fellow tiktok attention span bros

>>96946124
>muh moving dates
Will you eat your shoes when Corsairs get announced?

>>96946147
I admire you for marching on despite being FELTED by the last big reveals

>>96946147
Kheradruakh is coming, I can feel it.

>>96946148
Yes yes anything to refuse to admit your fat fuck sloptuber is wrong yet again

>>96944757 (OP)
Hot.

>>96946181
I like them. Honestly Twins should be featured more, the only other time I can recall the trope being used was in aos for the lumineth.

>>96946181
absolute fucking kino. i'm stealing this colour scheme

>>96944789
last month I went to a narrative event

>>96946181
I don't like these

>>96946181

I like the detail of the broken bonding knife.

Is there a minature more over detailed than mortarion?

>>96946181
>>96946200
I like the basing detail of the fire having their shielding on the inside to keep it away from the actual suits

>>96946187
It's fitting you forgot Alpharius

Do you think we will get a new HQ which is captain in dreadnought armor?

>>96946171
chubby has nothing to do with the cross faction pirates that are about to descend on the setting

>>96946210
50/50 Acheran is either dead or a dreadnought character now

How do you guys test your lists? I have what I think I want as a Votann list but I don't know if it'd be fun to play. Do you just buy and paint it then hope for the best or is there some good sim tool I can't find.

>>96946256
There's a couple TTS discords out there you could look into.

>>96946259
I assume they have to be done via discord to prevent the mods from getting C&D'd?

>>96946210
Captain dreads aren't really a thing since they need to be cohesive and awake enough to effectively lead their company.
Even the chapter master of the red scorpions, Carab Cullen, didn't keep his rank as chapter master when he was interred as a leviathan dreadnought.

Where does the whole "Humanity was betrayed by aliens after the Men of Iron rebellion" fan-canon even come from anyways? Of the actual named xenos (other than Orks) we see the Imperium fight during the Great Crusade only one was actually inherently hostile and DAoT humanity had never even met them before the fall.

>>96946269
Forgot about the Eldar schemes?

>>96946272
Oh, you mean like the Eldar scheme that rescued those humans from the Drukhari and let them settle on their own world alongside them?

>>96946261
Nah, the mods are available on the steam workshop. Look for ForceOrg.

>>96946181
do you think those pistols pack a punch?

>>96946181
I want to thank whoever pointed out their armour was mirrored, I definitely wanna make a fully blue and beige conversion of them now.

>>96946026
>we wuz vikangz n shiet
Extremely funny

>>96946026
Mutt's law

>>96946210
100% he is a new Venerable Dreadnought. They said to look out for more info next monday (wh community model reveal day)

>>96946269
40k lore is fucking retarded the more I see what kind of questions people have for it.

>>96946299
Probably. They are supposed to be a melee unit.

>>96946269
>fan-canon
It comes from the lore.

>>96946175
Have another

>>96946204
I don't think so but you could argue a knight or some of the titanicus titans get pretty overgreebled, it's just that the majority of their details are all the same colour whereas mortarion is all contrasting textures and colours

>>96946339
>They are supposed to be a melee unit.
thats what worries me. I already think farsights profile is pretty underwhelming

>>96945383
Why do retards conflate inspiration with satire

>>96946269
>Where does the whole "Humanity was betrayed by aliens after the Men of Iron rebellion" fan-canon even come from anyways?
It comes from fags thinking the imperium, and emperor, are justified in all aspects of their extremisms because they genuinely cannot accept that the worst regime imaginable might be unnecessarily cruel and self serving.
The horus heresy trying to establish the emperor as near omniscient doesn't help because then people automatically assume every choice and order he made must have been a necessity and thus moral.

The simpler facts are:
Humans weren't any more fucked by the warp storms or other alien races than any other race of the galaxy save for the eldar, who were in their own ivory towers until they got got fucked by slaanesh instead.
The emperor established a no-religion and no-aliens policy not because it was the only way forward, but because it was the fastest way to the top, like other tools they could have been discarded after use.
And that the emperor was ultimately wrong in many respects because he was both way too far removed from the human experience and inhumanly arrogant and untrusting, lacking faith.

>>96946337
The moment you realize it's all retarded and none of it matters is the moment you give up or the moment you really start enjoying the hobby

>>96946210
Everyone called me a faggot when I said this year's ago. I don't know anything about the video game, so I'll just call you a faggot and say I hope we get character dreads.

>>96945008
I am pretty sure there is an implication that Ethereals use same mechanisms as Q'orl pheromon control.

After my first game of 10th I learned that EC are insane in melee.

>>96946447
You mean like Bjorn, Carab, and Bray'arth ashmantle?

>>96946455
What smell do they make when they need everyone to frick

>>96946462
No like captain, librarian, techmarine, chaplain, apothecary. Named characters would be cool too I guess, but I think it'd be cooler if it was for everyone

>>96946461
How did you do that when nobody plays them

>>96946464
Well we did have chaplain dreads and librarians dreads were BA specific.

>>96946337
40k "lore" is just bullshit that nobody bothers to keep consistent and it only exists to sell you more plastic toy soldiers. You can safely discard anyone getting too invested in it as an actual idiot.

>>96945008
nah, enslavers have looked very different over the years, the book doesn't try to present a connection and this kind of stuff isn't decided by illustrators alone
the qorl explanation works well enough already without bringing into the discussion enslavers

When are they going to bring back peak?

>>96946480
when the pariah nexus narrative is closed

>>96945589
I would absolutely bully the shit out of my friend for playing with unpainted minis unless he had just bought them, and he would know it was well deserved.

>>96946468
I know. I have both. I want everybody to get them in plastic though. Cause that means I also get cool new ones, and get to see everyone else's too. The lib dreads are expensive now, and while the Chap isn't a bad build, it's resin and some people aren't into that.

>>96946491
Very true, I'm just not sure if I'd like them doing that with the redemptor chassis.

>>96946503
I'd be fine with either. I'd say either is equally likely at this point as they seem to be interested in straight refreshes like the terminators and stern/vanguard vets just as much if not more than doing new stuff.

>>96945465
The Tau were deliberately made tiny because the original intention is that they were representative of all the little xenos empires that the fluff says are dotted all over the galaxy but are never really explored or even shown at all. Same reason why they went with the idea of having different alien species in the army as auxiliaries, they were the minor xenos grab-bag faction. They were never meant to be presented as a major galactic power capable of going toe-to-toe with full might of the big boys, they were strong enough to fend off the kind of smallish force the Imperium normally throws at these tiny empires (the original Damocles Crusade was very small compared to the numbers the writers throw around these days) but small enough to be considered not important enough to allocate a massive offensive against because other threats are much larger and more important, leaving the Tau free to slowly keep nibbling away at the edges of the Imperium.

>>96946148
Don't they always do a small reveal of some sort on Boxing Day and a New Years eve silhouette teaser anyway? So really not long at all.

So, balance Data Slate in like 5 weeks is supposed to come with 6 new detachments this time to make up for them not having any in the last one, right?
De we have any guesses on which six factions are getting new detachments?

Who are the other 500 worlds books about?

> Titus
> Huron Blackheart
> Yriel
> ?
> ?

>>96946595
something Tau to introduce the twins.

>>96946595
Honsou

>>96946595
Nazdreg

>>96946606
this, Honsou and Decimus should have been released long ago as the main characters of their factions

>>96946630
pretty likely considering they already have a paint named after him for years.

>>96946595
It's going to be the three Xenos characters they already revealed.

>>96946637
>500 worlds: Tyranid Prime

>>96946637
no those are the characters for that book. like for the Huron book we know theres an Alpha Legion killteam.

>>96946595
>Titus
>Huron
>Yriel
>Kantor
>Trazyn

>>96946595
Probably a Tau, and Ork book

>>96946649
Source?

>>96946654
>>Kantor
It's going to be something Tau as they are expanding into Ultramar while Crimson Fists have nothing to do with it and are Dornfags.

>>96946552
3 for Necrons and 3 for Ultramarines. Read the article.

>>96946687
Each volume have a main "enemy" that get a character and a box.
The main factions are the ones that get more models and an entire command squad like Titus have.
Tau don't get that.

so chairon is not in the new squad because he's not high ranking enough, right? or do we think he's dead?

>>96946711
Who the fuck cares? He was a token black ultramarine and now they have a new token black ultramarine; it's not that difficult.

>>96946644
based

>>96946637
weird for them to reveal them all together instead of waiting for the respective book's announcements

>>96946726
they felt like a rushed reveal since otherwise it would have been only UM revealed. necrons were already leaked before.

>>96946595
500 Worlds: Titus
500 Worlds: Calgar
500 Worlds: Sicarius
500 Worlds: Gulliman

>>96946269
Loretubers, comment sections and yt shorts. GW wants the Imperium to be the hecking good guys because that sells their setting better so you better just give up, it will save ya the headache, trust me post 8th tourists are absolutely vacuous

>>96946736
That would be extremely painful

>>96946742
4 U(ltras)

>>96946736
Oh God, this actually is how they're going to do it isn't it? With each one of them poised against a different Nemesis.

>>96946637
Those are pity models
>>96946595
Since Valrak keeps being right all the time lately I assume 500 worlds will just going between good guy and bad guy focus so
>Huron
>Yriel
>Nazdreg
And maybe that's it. But Trazyn was supposed to get a model too

>>96946181
Those things are BEYOND brutally Zaku shaped it makes me wonder if Zeon has any STCs left lying around in the Ultimae Segmentum, I personally love bulky mechs even if I think the tau can't do shields but what the fuck these design's don't feel tau at all. Has GW embraced gruntsuit supremacy after the kroot refresh flopped?
Also I just know one of these 2 is gonna have the better loadout and be obnoxious to play agains't while the other one is used as a sacrificial lamb to always die turn 2-3 by taking shit up front but you won't be able to change their loadouts whatsoever or even play one separate from the other

>>96946750
>arks of omen
only 1 out of 5 characters was interesting.
sad.

>>96946264
In devastation of baal there was a dreadnought chapter master IIRC

>>96946736
500 World: Yarrick
500 Worlds: Perturabo(???? I sure hope it's a bluff he seems to be hinting it's a bluff no Iron Autists please)
500 Worlds: Yriel
500 Worlds: Crixxit Itchyclaw

>>96946765
Slop

I shot a plasma forgefiend buffed to the gills in soulforged warpack into a full unit of Lychguard and it just picked it up like it was nothing
Totally worth eating 7 mortal wounds for not going to lie

>>96946761
None of these have anything to do with necrons or ultramar though I thought the whole campaign was supposed to be around that

>>96946752
let me fix that

>>96946772
Good job.

also

Friendly reminder that Hazardous tests are rerollable with the Command Reroll

>>96946420
>not because it was the only way forward
The "betrayed" part during the age of strife is fan-canon as far as I can tell, but
>no-aliens policy not because it was the only way forward
Is false.
From the 4th ed codex, pg 138:
>Without waging a constant battle against the countless races with whom it shares the galaxy, the Imperium would quickly be pulled apart and destroyed.
5th ed codex, pg 118:
>[in reference to xenos] All must be fought tooth and nail, for the Imperium learnt long ago that an accord with outsiders is worthless unless forged through the threat of a vast and blood retribution. The actions of aliens throughout the galaxy have reinforced the most ancient of lessons: nature abhors frailty - the strong prosper and the weak are devoured.
And also states aliens willing to work with humans are fickle.

It's also repeatedly stated that mankind has been attack by aliens since it first started venturing into the stars, long before the "emperor" or "imperium".

>>96946759
The new Farsight model was pretty cool.

>>96946785
why do you expect the codex to give you the nuanced view of things rather than the atmospheric "in the grim darkness of the far future there's only war" worldbuilding?

Working on the captain.

>>96946790
I meant to write rulebook for both, not codex.

Either way, you are right, we should just ignore the rulebooks and codexes and just go with whatever you pull out off your arse.

>>96946778
The Maelstrom is in the Ultima Segmentum at least, but it's still a long way away from Ultramar itself.

>>96944980
>verdict?
Putting all my money on Tartaros

>>96946793
looks great especially your highlights
you're brave going for a black/yellow freehand

>>96946392
Because saying "40k always was/is satire" makes the person think like they understand something others don't. It's like modern art: "I understand better, I am smarter than you"; conflating personal beliefs/interpretations/headcanons for a higher intellectual position.


Warhammer 40k isn't hard to understand, anyone can.
It was in the 80s, made by nerds and geeks, the kind that are into historicals and dice-throwing RPGs.
They took cool stuff from sci-fi and human History, kept the fantasy stuff they had, and made it brutal because they wanted something different than the usual pew-pew laser that was popular at the time; instead of high-tech phasers and lightsabers, we have bolters and chainswords.

It was never satire, it was

>F U N

>>96946831
Based take.
40k is just rule of cool: the tabletop.

>>96946741
I don't blame you for not actually watching any of this garbage, but I've looked at some of it and it's not really like that.
Many of these newer people (obviously I can't know if it's most) *want* the imperium to be the stupidest most evil thing imaginable. When the lore changed for Black Templar to whip and piss on their astropaths and navigators, there was cheering that this is in fact what they wanted: stupid non-functional behavior.
I have not personally encountered "space marines are heckin good guys" only "the Imperium are evil nazis and 40k is scathing commentary."

>>96946755
The heads remind me more of Boushh than zakus tbqh. Though the red monoeye certainly feels a bit on the nose

GW does want the imperium to be good guys, even if flawed, but it's not because of whatever YT/customer BS.
Customers drive sales, but not decisions and direction; investors and executives do, and they don't like grimdark.

>>96946181
These guys rock, my only complaint is they should have been packing melee weapons so Tau can finally get a melee battlesuit that's not Farsight, but they're still really cool.

Dies protagonist necessarily mean the hero if the story?

>>96946898
No

>>96946898
Brother this is shit they're supposed to teach you in grade school. Come on.

>>96946904
Alright, so marines are definitely the protagonists then

>>96946898
I dunno, ask >>>/lit/

>>96946793
Damn, nice Badmoons!

>>96946868
I am part these people. I got into this hobby around 7th because I wanted a setting where everyone really was an unashamed over the topic unfunctional dickhead. As of late and specially after the big primaris-Guilliman rewash there's been this constant idea or narrative that the Imperium's actions are justified for the "continued survival of mankind" when in truth mostof the Imperium's rulers have been self serving assholes from day one. I was happy GW was willing to make the Black Templars dickheads instead of trying to make them appealing to tourists who really want the Imperium to be some sort of good guy protagonist faction with "morally grey" (evidently evil) goals, now all they have to do is transfer that attitude to the Salamanders, the Imperial Fists, the Ultramarines and so on in obviously different flavors. I don't even think there's a real world analogue for the Imperium's politics or that it's in any way commentary to real world stuff but it's a fun fictional setting that was built around the question "how can we make this badnor worst" crafted to specifically be irredeemable and horrid while still having room for over the top badassery or comical shit (something other grimdark settings like Trench Crusade miss the mark of embarassingly)
GW's pre 8th lore was ALLOWED to showcase the imperium as overly bureocratic, incompetent, self serving or evil but ever since primaris they have been super heros saving the galaxy from evil by being evil, which is just boring as fuck, there's 70 other settinga for that, it takes away 40k's uniqueness and sense of identity. They have been straight up locked from portraying the Imperium in a negative light and only do so to "own the chuds" as with the BT shit and not out of genuine narrative necessity or understanding of the setting's appeal
Also cmon how new are you to not have seen countless people defending the Imperium in this community

>>96946912
Yes

>>96946880
You're not wrong, but you also have to acknowledge them making art that makes IG guys look like rage zombies, and plenty of lore snippets are pure grimderp.
The fact is they are and will continue to talk out of both sides of their mouth because they want to appeal to everyone.

>>96946926
Well nobody's perfect

>>96946772
yeah, forgefiends are fun
between dark pacts and hazardous mine generally brings itself down to half life before its even shot at

I FUCKING LOVE CSM
I FUCKING LOVE SPIKES
I FUCKING LOVE TAKING PACTS AND DYING BUT HAVING CULTISTS RANDOMLY WOUND PRIMARCHS
BEST FUCKING ARMY

>>96946926
It's almost as if morality in 40k isn't black and white and everyone is just fighting to survive, go figure.

Can you score points twice from Assassination when killing a character with a 2+ resurrect ability? Like Buri, Abominant, Urien Rakarth etc. Let's say I shoot them, they die and resurrect, then kill them in combat in the same turn.

>>96946923
Go read the 2nd edition Sisters and/or IG dex.
You are fine to have your opinion and preference for the setting, but your preference has never been the default. If you go way way back to the 1987 book, Priestly's writing is in fact primarily informed by his opinion that no one knows what's going on, everyone is in conflict even if they want the same or similar outcomes, and each person truly believes they understand the big picture and what they do in their small corner is best for everyone. It was never about anything being irredeemable or evil at the core. My reading (which changes as I find more contemporaneous material from the older writers) is that they have a very British feeling that evil is mundane and that leaks into early writing and is ultimately hyperbolized and flanderized going through 1998 and into mid 2000's materials (mostly surroundind the inquisition).
As to how "new I am" I thought we were talking about youtubers. There are more sympathetic people here because if you're actually playing the game, you're more likely to want to feel there's a purpose to your faction's madness. I'm mostly commenting on people with narrow focus on the lore, of which there is also a large contingent here.

>>96946947
>Hatred is good
>Ignorance is good
>Kill heretics and mutants (slightly different people)
Morality in 40k is black and white, that's why there is only war.

>it's almost as if
>go figure
Think like a faggot, talk like a faggot, get fucked like a faggot

>>96946950
Yes, only if it's fixed though. Tactical is destroy one or more characters IIRC.

>>96946880
They specifically want to appeal to the internet nerd crowd. I hear the word capeshir being thrown around a lot in this board when it comes to these discussions and I believe it's fully adequate. Superhero media is meant to affirm and reenforce the reader's values and also society's while grimdark usually assumes a certain amount of dettachment between the characters/world to the audience. Capital assumes that the shit you consume is part of and builds up your personality, if you consume and enjoy stories where Superman is hecking wholesome and nice to everyone that must mean you are a nice guy too, if you enjoy stories about a roided up supersoldier fighting to defend his species that must mean you are one too or relate to his cause. If said supersoldier's cause is bad and unjustified that would make you a brainwashed retard, something which would harm the audience's connectiom with said IP. While I didn't chimp out over that "Warhammer is for everyone" post there's a single line there that caught my eye, it said that "we want to create characters everyone can relate to", as if im somehow supposed to relate to Eldrad, Fulgrim, Cypher and so on when the setting very explicitly states a dettachment between me and those figures. Estabilishing a direct relationship between the consoomer (the same neckbearded marvel comic demographic) means they will have way more profits with merchandise, big helmets, funko pops, shirts and plushies than they would with per say the kinda skinny fag weird kid leaning crowd or the history fan larper crowd. The capeshitfication of 40k is also directly related to the rise of muscle mommy 40k porn, which seems to appeal to that crowd in particular too.

>>96946961
Thanks, yeah I forgot to mention I was thinking of having fixed. I wonder what other fixed mission would good to have, maybe purge the foe to double down on killing stuff. I'll be trying out a 1000pts Biosanctic Broodsurge and I'm not gonna have too many units that can do actions for secondaries.

>>96946269
It's literally fanfiction made up by retards.
Fact is that we know absolutely fucking nothing about the Golden Age/DAoT and we know even less about the Age of Strife and what happened during it.

Only aliens that would have turned on humanity during the Age of Strife would be orks, but that's the thing, they are orks. They already do that anyone and everyone when given the opportunity. And even then we have no actual evidence in-universe of there being massive ork raids on human planets after the DAoT when Age of Strife begins.
And again, there's no actual evidence that any other aliens fucked with humanity during the Age of Strife.

In fact we have evidence to the contrary, like the Interex who knew of chaos and feared it. And we know they learned of its existence from the Eldar, which shows that they had good enough relations to exchange information. And again only reason why the Interex fall is because Erebus, who is already corrupted by chaos at this point, steals the anatheme blade, an extremely dangerous chaos artifact, from the Interex museum, which then causes all negotiations to fall apart and they go to war with the Imperium for the crime that happened.

Another is the Diasporex, who were a nomadic "civilization" of both humans and aliens, who were peacefully co-existing with one another.
However Imperium saw this and viewed it wholy unacceptable and then genocided them entirely and then dragged their fleet into a star to burn them, with the Diasporex only saying "Only thing we wanted, was to be left alone."

Also what this anon says. >>96946420
Many people have completely drank the kool aid and believe the whole "imperium is le good guys because they are human", even though the entire point of the setting is that every faction is irredeemable, unnecessarily cruel, evil, assholes, yes even the Imperium, and the entire galaxy would be better off if ALL of the factions in it would die.

Billions must die

>>96946957
Their morality is black and white. The meta-context of why that morality is that way, and if it is ideal for their situation, is not black and white.

>>96946962
>They specifically want to appeal to the internet nerd crowd
No. If you're in for the big buck, there are only two demographics:
1) The everyday person. If you want to get as close to that and increase the amount of people it includes, you make things as simple/family friendly as you can.
2) The addict, also known as the whale: these are the people who will spend more money than they should or have.

The average nerd stands in the middle: too specific of demands and standards too high to spend blindly.

I am not reading all of that whole of text, the first phrase was already wrong.

>>96946962
Honestly this is pretty well said, anon. I agree completely and can't actually think of anything to add.

>>96945529
list of victories that don't actually count
>you won by battle ready points
>you got first turn
>you drew better secondaries than me (RNG slop)
>played an army with higher winrate than mine
>played a meme army with a lower win rate than mine (I can't possible know the rules for this obscure shit, cheap "gotcha" bullshit)
>you brought dam 2 weapons (list tailoring, you must shoot my marines with 1 damage as the designers intended)
>rolled too well for my liking
>used any reactive move or overwatch (its my turn little nigga, cut this cheap bullshit out)
>list has lethal hits or dev wounds
>list has indirect fire
>played a shooting army

if you ain't gonna fight fair then I'm simply not accepting it as a loss on my part, be better and fight me on equal footing.

>>96946976
It is black and white, it's an age of darkness and ignorance.
You better not hit me with the "the imperium is bad because it needs it to survive".

>>96946993
I'm just gonna hit you with "you are the small minded person you are criticizing."

>>96946972
>The entire galaxy would be better off if ALL of the factions in it would die.
I know that's you Nekrosor Ammentar
You're totally right though

>>96946986
>No. If you're in for the big buck, there are only two demographics:
>1) The everyday person.
NTA but you see anon, for "niche" hobbies like that the internet nerd IS the everyday person. It's the largest audience they can actually appeal to. It's impossible to make assembling and painting plastic soldiers interesting to a normie no matter how hard you try. Next best thing is the so nerdy XD crowd which ballooned up to an incredible size during the 2010s

>>96947007
I trust my judgement

I've been trying Morty in TTS and man he's such a huge value piece. Might have to actually get the guts to paint mine one of these days, but it's just such a daunting model to paint.

>>96947012
So does each Imperial Commander.

>>96947010
We don't have the same definition of what a nerd is.

>>96946975
>Raukaan
Ummm ackshually there were no Clan Raukaan characters in that novel.

>>96947019
You do not trust your own judgement?

>>96947015
Take your time. Mortarion painting wise might be the most challenging model in all of 40k.

>>96946993
Imperium is bad because it's a stagnant shithole made of evil assholes that's driving humanity into extinction with its very own actions. You know, a thing which gets iterated and reinforced with every edition, rulebook and novel.
Like for the fact that the main reason why there's so many chaos cults infesting the Imperium, is because it's such an oppressive, inhuman shithole, that people would rather join with the AIDS demons than spend 1 more second under Imperium's rule.

>>96947044
>made of evil assholes
Who are they? We've gotten good looks at the topmost leadership and categorically they are well-meaning and competent.

Doing any hobby things today anons?
I'm pinning some older templars onto bases after they got knocked off.

>>96947060
Which one traded a star system of innocent lives to the Drukhari as payment for their tech support plan on the Golden Throne?

>>96947063
I've primed some stuff today and will be airbrushing basecoats and basic volumetrics later on

>>96946798
glad we're in agreement

>>96947065
None of them are high lords anymore

>>96947063
Gonna try to prime and repair some old raptors. Their toes broke off from the slot so it's gonna be tricky. I hate pinning but I might have to do it.

>>96946936
same

>>96947044
I wish there were more people who were honest about the material they're engaging with.

You have not read every edition, or every rulebook, or every novel. You are extrapolating on your personal bias from a very limited reading of a large setting with 1,000 writers written over 40 years.

>>96946986
I was specifically referring to the second demographic inmy post but I figured "internet nerd crowd" seemed like a more reasonable term than " goyslop consoomer fatty snoyboy", use of language really

>>96946957
>Think like a faggot, talk like a faggot, get fucked like a faggot
Spoken like a true butthurt faggot.

>>96946711
I genuinely think its because they thought 2 black ultramarines would be too much. I like the father / son relationship Titus has with the new black marine, but I did like Chairon being an edgy angry manbaby because he witnessed Calth.

>>96947134
Witnessed calth...?
Was he in stasis?

>>96947141
Yes, he's part of the original crop of Primaris

>>96947080
"Nothing humans, the emperor or the imperium does is ever justified, even when we are given justification" is not a nuanced view of things.

>>96946962
Eh at the same time the biggest fantasy 'phenomenon' to actually breach into the mainstream and influence the zeitgeist since lord of the rings was game of thrones, which while having plenty of heroics and stuff is still pretty solidly in the camp of dark fantasy, and no one looked at you weird for being a fan. To a lesser extent this also applies to the witcher.

>>96947141
All the greyshields (original primaris) were in stasis, yes. Cawl delivered Guilliman 10,000 marines , but after he was made regent the terrann nobles made him send all those marines to their chapters because they were terrified he was going to crown himself emperor because he essentially had a legion force strength.

It's the only cool bit of primaris lore, imo, because all the grayshields learned to work in diverse geneseed units (different mutations and mentalities) and built their own combat culture and then were suddenly sent to chapters matching their gene seed. A lot of them got tortured or fragged by their new chapters because they weren't raised by them and disliked a lot of the firstborn way of doing things. Dark Angels and Deathwatch especially were really fucked up to their greyshield reinforcements.

All the grayshields basically hero worship Guilliman, which also makes their home chapters hate them even more.

If humans don't have enough force of personality to prevent their souls from dissipating into nothing when they go into the warp, can you really call them sentient beings? They're almost like dogs (who don't have souls).

>>96947158
I want to make a psychic dog in a dark heresy campaign as a plot point. Good boy sniffs out heretics and is leaking clues to the inquisition but no one knows who the psyker is because he's a fucking dog.

>>96947155
Why would Deathwatch, who already normally operates in mixed gene seed units, have any problem at all with the primaris recruits?

>>96947158
They can't be like dogs because even white women (Eldar) won't fuck them.

>>96947161
Because all deathwatch are 200+ year old veterans, who take pride in being so skilled they actually got picked to be farmed out to the marine black ops teams, and suddenly got a bunch of greenhorns who didn't earn that place.

Additionally, the primaris surgery makes you incredibly autistic (dulls emotions, makes you more 'logical') so they all came off as know it all assholes to people with a lot more chops than them. Its in one of the Deathwatch omnibus books, its pretty cool. They frag one.

They also were just acting like they were invincible and getting themselves killed because they would make plays that make any sense if you have centuries of alien killing experience.

>>96947149
Not the guy you are replying to, but his point isnt that grimdark doesn't appeal to people. It's that capeshit appeals to everyone, including children, and more importantly, is much more marketable as a product you can sell a shitload of merchandise and spinoff media.

>>96947024
They are the poster boy clan for iron hands so its possible GW just told the artist to use them.

>get piss cheap terrain and vehicles off temu and support chang's plan to enslave and/or murder you and everyone you love
>or get expensive terrain and vehicles and no longer afford borgar and chochy milk this week
Which way white man?

>>96947174
I thought many deathwatch members felt shame for essentially being cut out of their chapter even though being selected for the deathwatch is technically an honor.

>>96946962
GW doesn't want you to relate to Cypher, Eldrad or Fulgrim. They want you to relate to the Ultramarine sergeant or Cadian officer.

>>96947178
this, hence SM2 basically has a noblebright story with only minor grim elements (titus not trusting the marines because of PTSD).
The Imperials are depicted as almost explicitly heroic and good against explicitly bad enemies (nids + tsons). And it sold insanely well.

>>96947141
He was a kid back then, then got Primaris'd and put in stasis.

>>96947186
White man makes his own

>>96947031
Yep. I wonder if anyone who has painted him has any tips. It seems like he's large enough that you can get away with no subassemblies, right? Though it's probably to do him in phases, like, I will do the wings. Now I'll do the armor. Now I'll do the bronze details, etc.
I'm also wondering whether I should paint him in my colours (pallid hand) or regular DG green.

>>96947191
I relate to Curze.

>>96947190
Yeah, I thought it was viewed a lot of different ways by different chapters and some use it as a form of exile or a way to expediently remove a dissident or political rival.

>>96947190
I mean, it depends on the story. Blackshields are essentially disowned marines, some are sent as a way of memory holing them but as an 'honor'. Mostly, however, it is actually an honor to go to the Deathwatch even though they are mostly homesick. Some really struggle to hide their geneseed mutations though, like Blood Angels or Space Wolves and can't get any support from those who know what they are going through.

>>96947201
>I relate to Curze.

>>96947191
I relate to Dorn

>>96947149
Being dark does not imply the abscence of the relationship between the product and one's identity. The Witcher and Berserk are pretty dark but we root for the main characters because they reflect a certain level of morality, strength, and goodguyness we either believe we have or want to reflect in ourselves. I never watched nor read GoT so I can't make the claim there is a specific character or crew you are supposed to root for but the core is that we identify ourselves and root for someone regardless of how cruel the world is or how weird that character is. Hell edgy superheros who spout superficial nonsense about the world being bleak and meaningless so they can kill criminals on the street are also a reflection of our values or must stand as a direct inverse of that (usually fulfilled by the antagonist or a protagonist we are supposed to be agains't and directly hate in contrast to the other characters being either good or "morally grey" ), something which grimdark lacks as evil becomes banal and generalized (like >>96946954
>>96946923 stated) coupled wtih the general alien or exterior nature of grimdark settings like 40k taking place in completely different realities, makes it so we aren't exactly meant point to someone we are supposed to directly reflect our ideals into in a negative or positive way while the entire culture industry relies on the tried and tested idea of identifying yourself with a given IP's values, characters, themes and identity. Grimdark is not profitable and must at least be toned down to the safe dark variety shown in modern 40k with only minor nods to the original tone, in a way hyper marinefication is also a result of that because marines stand as the ultimate morally grey badass protagonists the industry loves

>>96947191
They want you to relate to Fulgrim the same way people relate to the Joker.

>>96947211
Tread carefully. You don't want to see my darker side.

>>96946804
Ghyran sea is literally AOS.

>>96947225
I relate to the Riddler.

Kill all politicians

>>96947145
I didn't say that.
I said that the carpet eradication of religion and aliens isn't actually justified, merely convenient.

>>96947241
Aliens is fair. Religion probably to remove all division.

>>96947241
And I showed where actual lore tells you that you are wrong. You aren't being nuanced by dismissing it because it doesn't fit your headcanon.

>>96947222
prionn disease mmmm

>>96945435
Paintchads will always win against grayfags of regardless what happens ingame

>>96947269
>Paintchads will always win against grayfags of regardless what happens ingame
Truest words

>>96947191
My closest friend acts and talks exactly like Caiphas Cain but he keeps rejecting the idea that he's anything close to Cain

>>96947287
he spends all day practicing sabre dueling and marksmenship, and afterwards sipps on his coffee while reading nudey magazines and avoiding responsibilites related to being a military officer?

>>96947263
>And I showed where actual lore tells you that you are wrong.
No, you didn't, you showed fluff where it repeats what the imperium thinks repeated as if it was a factual omniscient statement, but it isn't.

Just like "in the grim darkness of the far future there is only war" isn't actually a fact, it's an evocative hyperbole, good to set the tone, but not to be taken literally.

>>96947291
you need to log off, dude. take a break, this isn't good for you. we are all worried about you, you haven't cleaned your house, your hygiene hasn't been good, you look like you haven't slept in two days. We want to get you help.

>>96947241
There are quite literally a limitless number of cooperative non hostile alien species in the galaxy, they all just get killed by the Imperium. If by 'justified' you mean aliens represent a credible threat to human existence, yes this is true in the case of shit like Tyranids and Orks but obviously accords can and have been reached with races like the Eldar and Tau consistently. And it is consistently the Imperials who are the crazed lunatics.

Its more accurate to say the Imperium is a threat to all life in the galaxy than the other way around.

>>96947315
next you're going to say the imperium are to blame for the tau's invasions into their space

>>96947305
>but it isn't
It is. Responding to anything that contradicts your headcanon with "ummm actually that's just what the imperium thinks" is not a real argument, especially when you try to push your own headcanon as fact.

>>96947323
>next you're going to say the imperium are to blame for the tau's invasions into their space
Isn't the entire point of Damocles that the Imperium was so neglectful and abusive that most of the planets there almost immediately joined the Tau when offered?

>>96947341
Funny how imperiumfags leave that tidbit out.

>>96947063
quick pic before most of this goes into KR cases
I think i missed 3 primaris bikers but im not too bothered

>>96946831
>It was never satire

Wrong... kind of.

Parts of 40k were obviously suppose to be satire, just not the overtly politicised satire that people think of now days, but more just making fun of something, which may (or may not) be bad, or annoying.

Like the whole concept of the Administratum being bureaucracy taken to the extreme. It's not suppose to be some biting, deep, revealing satire, but is instead just "haha, what if bureaucracy was even more of pain in the ass?" thing that's funny due to its absurdity.

I 3d printed a bunch of character and now I feel bad and like a cheat

>>96947381
this. also 40k blends satire with serious storytelling. people think satire means joke because irony has been completely wrapped up in humor nowadays.

No one understands that ironic or satirical stories can be tragic, serious, and straightfaced.

>>96947411
>No one understands that ironic or satirical stories can be tragic, serious, and straightfaced.
This is cope by libtards so they can win those media literacy fights on Elon Musk's X

>>96947367
Sweet Iron Hands, buddy :)

>>96947326
>"ummm actually that's just what the imperium thinks" is not a real argument
it is when that's what the text is literally about
>>96946785
>the Imperium learnt
>reinforced the most ancient of lessons:
and the tau, and a number of instances of non-imperial humans, have already demonstrated that coexistence is indeed possible
sorry, but turns out that the galaxy has something more than literally just war, despite the cool line

maybe learn to compensate your autism so you too can read beyond literalisms.

>>96947431
Thanks, you too!

>Have a model primed and ready to paint
>Absolutely dread starting it because its a nightmare model that absolutely should have been painted in subassemblies but I didnt for some godforsaken reason.

>>96947191
>florks
>contemporary military miniature diorama modeling
>China
This is a weird mix. But I suppose there are Chinese for everything.

>>96947191
I relate to Fabius
Genius stuck in a chapter/country full of midwits

Why is Titus the only video game character they are making models of?

Why not any characters from the Rogue Trader RPG? They are a little generic, but Titus is just Mr Space Marine. Although those characters don't have the high detail 3d model asset that Titus already has.

>>96946787
indeed

>>96944757 (OP)
I don't understand how Titus is being incorporated into mainline lore?

Like wasn't this dude (in the first game) the 2nd captain? (I.e. Sicarius' position?)

>>96947527
>why the focus on this popular character from popular game and not on my astropath gf or torturous dark aeldari boyfriend from far less popular game

>>96947532
Go away Lucius

>>96947546
>500 Worlds: Lucius
Please, James. Make it happen.

>>96947536
If I remember correctly they patched the inconsistency by saying that titus was 2nd company captain during that period because sicarius was missing due to a warp travel error.
Then the return of the primarch happened with all the primaris bullshit and the second company was given to acheran while sicarius got 'promoted' to leader of the honor guards.
Now titus has been reinstated as 2nd company captain following something ominous that may have happened to acheran.
Fingers crossed on a veteran redemptor dreadnought instead of a lamer definite offscreen death.

>>96947527
>Why is Titus the only video game character they are making models of?

>>96947432
>it is when that's what the text is literally about
The text is about setting the scene for someone new to the lore. It's supposed to be taken as the foundation of the setting, not completely ignored for what you personally feel.

>maybe learn to compensate your autism so you too can read beyond literalisms
Listen you midwit, the point isn't that "literally" every square inch is a warzone, or that "literally" every single alien is hostile every single second of every single hour. It's that the imperium is in a constant state of total war and that the imperium has been forced to take hard line stances because the risk of not doing so has repeatedly fucked them in the arse time and time again. In a universe where letting in the wrong mutant could cause a planet to fall to genestealer cults/tyranids, or reading the wrong book can literally summon deamons that will kill you, the imperium simply cannot afford to be nuanced and every time they have its resulted in disaster in the long term.

>have already demonstrated that coexistence is indeed possible
Yeah, and walking down dark alleys at night in bad neighborhoods without being mugged or assaulted is possible. Do you understand how the advice of "don't walk down dark alleys in bad neighborhoods" is justified, or does your autism prevent that because literally every alley will be dangerous?

>>96947561
I had a good laugh when they release this. Angelos face looks like a fucking
gorilla.

>>96946630
>>96946750
>Nazdreg
Didn't Farsight kill him?

>>96947562
>the imperium has been forced to take hard line
nope, it chose to, other human empires, as well as the tau empire were faced with the same choice, choose coexistence and proved that it was possible, until the imperium came along and made the neighborhood bad and all the alleys dark.

Now the imperium is not allowed to be flexible because it would crumble on itself if it did, but when the imperium codified the no-aliens policy that wasn't the case, they chose to be hyper aggressive because they wanted to be the top dogs, not because it was the only way to survive.

>>96947570
The entire faction of cathay is a fucking huge translation from video game to tabletop actually.
Imagine if 40k had a faction that existed exclusively in a videogame and then that suddenly got an up to date range of plastic models and OP rules while other factions are struggling with resin or old models.

>>96947575
We're capeshit, noone is ever truly dead here.

Why aren't there any CSM units that use shields? What the fuck am I going to do with these?

>>96947638
Just don't use the shields? Those are just the plain old Mk II marines from Saturnine with a new sprue for the shields and guns.

>>96947638
Breacher squads, boarding shields and storm shields were all categorically criminalized across the traitor legions after the Siege of Terra. You can't use them in a CSM army. It's not allowed.

>>96946033
>tourists tourists tourists
Holy shit shut the fuck up and lurk, you pathetic newfaggot redditor.

>TITUS RETURNS
Was Titus gone?

>>96947585
>nope
>because they wanted to be the top dogs, not because it was the only way to survive
Again, we have been explicitly and repeatedly told it was and is justified. Whatever mental gymnastics you personally do to ignore that is irrelevant. You also completely avoided addressing the actual point I made about the (long term) risk of not doing so, which is the same point the lore is making.

>Tau
They've existed for fuck all time, barely expanded and don't have to deal with psykers. They're not at all comparable, only time will tell how it goes for them.

>>96947686
ultramarine fans have the object permenance of a dog so titus leaving for a year had them scared he'd go

>>96947686
Well, he did go onto that one suicide mission where that daemon of tzeentch appears and kills all marines in Titus' squad besides Titus himself and Titus' mentor.
The same mission that just happens to conveniently be the one Leandros "recommended" and signed Titus up for without his knowledge.

>>96947638
I have so many chaos shields and not a single unit in any chaos marine army to use them in

>>96947573
Also has a head like an upside down cup

>>96947705
NTA
>Again, we have been explicitly and repeatedly told it was and is justified.
No. We didn't. You are a straight-up liar here.
Dan Abnett recently came out and said that the Imperial Xenophobia was programmed into the Imperium by the Emperor to remove Xenos as external sources of information that threaten his new order.

How much of an idiot do you have to be to not question that the T'au, Votann, and many human civilizations didn't develop a tenth of the Imperial xeno hatred? How the dogmatic hatred of the alien is uniquely Imperial.

>They've existed for fuck all time, barely expanded and don't have to deal with psykers.
They existed for thousands of years. Rule over hundreds of worlds. Their Empire contains species that are entirely made up of psykers such as the Niccasar and Nagi. And thanks to the hundreds of billions of humans living in their empire, they have no small amount of human psykers and many of them are in positions of power/trust.

>>96947757
nta but what the Emperor says goes
the Imperium wouldve fallen already if not for him so the Imperium essentially had not choice other than the let the Emperor take the helm and do whatever the fuck he wanted
I mean, what were they gonna do? Fight him? Lmao

>>96947705
>Again, we have been explicitly and repeatedly told it was and is justified
And again, you have been told explicitly and repeatedly that in the grim darkness of the far future there is ONLY war.

>>96947787
Humanity is in this bad spot because of the Emperor.

His plan accelerated the psychic evolution that was going to happen over the course of millions of years to just thousands of years. He gave the Chaos Gods his demigod sons and hundreds of thousands of super soldiers without which the threat of Chaos wouldn't have been remotely as dire.

Humanity wasn't at risk of extinction. Humanity was too spread out and entrenched to be wiped out. The psychic evolution would have taken a long time to manifest to a dangerous existential degree. What the Emperor was fighting for was human supremacy over the galaxy.

>>96947787
there was no imperium before the emperor took the reins of humanity, humanity prospered once without him and and it would have survived even if he didn't intervene, in whatever other way possible, be it scattered and/or small, but still it would have been alive.
what the emperor fought for was supremacy and unity, not survival, he's the antichrist.

>>96947705
NTA

lol

>>96947799
How many civilized planets do you think are in active war? All of them? There is not only war anon, the peace is simply suppressed.

What are the best and worst armies to paint anyway?
Custodes as the easiest and GSC as the worst?

>>96947813
humanity is in a bad spot because the 40k universe fucking sucks ass lmfao
>humanity wasnt at risk of extinction
humanity was powerless against every other threat in the galaxy which apparently there are a metric shitload
>What the Emperor was fighting for was human supremacy over the galaxy.
based
>there was no imperium before the emperor took the reins of humanity, humanity prospered once without him and and it would have survived even if he didn't intervene, in whatever other way possible, be it scattered and/or small, but still it would have been alive.
what the emperor fought for was supremacy and unity, not survival,
will to power and all that
i wouldnt want to share the galaxy with cosmic shitskins either tbqh

>>96947813
Nuslop can be ignored.

>>96947905
>YOU ARENT PLAYING WITH TOYS RIGHT
>NO YOU DO IT LIKE THIS
>I DONT WANNA PLAY WITH YOU ANY MORE

>>96947885
>humanity is in a bad spot because the 40k universe fucking sucks ass lmfao
Nah. The HH and the Great Rift both are/were both existential threats to mankind were caused directly by him. The worsening cultural and technological decline of humanity was caused by his enforcing the Imperial hegemony on mankind.

He made things worse.

>humanity was powerless against every other threat in the galaxy which apparently there are a metric shitload
None of the races the Great Crusade fought were on the same level as the 40K factions, nor were they as threatening.
>i wouldnt want to share the galaxy with cosmic shitskins either tbqh
He shot himself in the foot for it and taught his empire to do the same

>>96946181
So fucking dumb. Tau will always look out of place and if you disagree you're a newfag. Simple as.

>>96947920
Are you ok?

>>96947926
ay bro cmon take it easy on emps, man had a lotta responsibility on his shoulders
>>96947935
i mean to be fair bro orks look fucking stupid and corny but people love them because stupid campy shit is part of the fun
i dont see anything wrong with having manga-esque mech in the setting also like fuck it who cares, the whole setting is a big joke at this point

>>96947787
>the Imperium wouldve fallen already if not for him
Humanity created it's greatest empire without his help. They could've done it again.