Thread 213378818

It’s budgeted at 450 not including promotions. It had to make well over a billion and with China out of the game and all capeshit under preforming overseas that’s going to be really difficult if not impossible.

Is he really cool with letting all of this shit happen?

>>213378818 (OP)
>big bad of this saga has appeared in one post credits scene and one wet fart of a convention appearance
>RDJ looks like an aging lesbian now
>buildup from the last 3 or 4 movies is about as cohesive as everything from eternals to...whatever happened between then and thunderbolts
>rumors of x men and no one really cares
>fantastic flop didn't generate any excitement for a new group of heroes joining the mix
>everyone knows they were supposed to build up Kangz instead and couldn't because of cultural reasons
>I should probably include something about ironheart but no one cares about that except for like one r eddit thread
This series is in absolute shambles

>>213378818 (OP)
Why the fuck do you care so much it makes or any movie for that matter? So fucking what

avengers has always been complete and total shit even for capeshit. the whole marvel universe lost any interest it offered once avengers existed

>>213378949
Forgot to add
>next big movie is spiderman fighting...the hulk
>after the first flop of the year was not-captain America fighting...a hulk

>>213379014
Spider Mam will be fine. He’s box office bullet proof

>>213378818 (OP)
here's Disney's problem

Disney movie are basically being churned out without much planning or thought. Disney is also trying to please everybody which is a great way of pleasing nobody.

that makes for a toxic mix that's naturally going to lead to reshoots and CGI redoing entire scenes which makes everything rushed and shitty.

I forgot to add producers and execs constantly meddling with the thrown together script.
>I think we need more female empowerment
ok, let's fix that as rapidly as possible
>well now I think we need to make a few tweeks for proper female POC repesentation, let's add a genius black girl
ok scribble scribble

all that shit costs, execs wanting to screen test every second and reshoot based on audience reaction is also shit.
their test audiences are from usually from California or the Pacific coast. seriously you couldn't get a more niche audience. like people from Portland or LA represent some global audience view, they don't.

so it's always a cluster fuck

>>213379139
Just crazy that movie won’t be successful even if hits a billion because the ridiculous budget

>>213378818 (OP)
F4 just once again underperformed expectations and dropped 67% (instead of 66) and didn't even make the 40m second weekend it was predicted. Holy shit this movie is crashing.

>>213378978
>Why the fuck do you care so much
/pol/tard incels emotionally invested in the failure of liberal Hollywood, especially superhero movies that contradict their backwards hatefag worldview.

>>213379049
This. Niggers love Spider-Man for some reason. Literally every single hood nigger will show up to watch a Spider-Man movie. Just look at how well Sinners did. Now add white people.

>>213378949
The Doom costume was also shit based on the FF post-credit camrip I saw. No riverts on the mask and he was wearing a leather. Doom has a ridiculously iconic/cool and it's easy to nail but it appears they failed at even that. So, seemingly, RDJ in black leather Singer-esque X-Men suit with green cloak and a meh mask he keeps taking on and off all the time because we gotta see RDJ's mug all the time.

>>213378913
I doubt he really cares. He has his millions and if it's too much he can always jump ship and retire.

>>213378913
Not his problem anymore

>>213379049
Tell that to Sony

>>213378818 (OP)
I would not see this garbage for free. Its just going to be 30 or 40 characters dying one after the other.

>>213378818 (OP)
Chud pretending that Spider-Man and Avengers Doomsday will bomb at the box office is so funny

they will both hit the billy

People only care about Spider-Man and Deadpool. And those are Sony and Fox ironically. Nobody cares for D or E list superheroes.

>>213378818 (OP)
I think something people aren't getting is that they HAVE TO make these movies. Name one direction they should go. Videogame movies?

Nintendo gatekeeps all its games. Sony games are already movies and Call of Duty is already a movie. Should they make a Q Bert movie?

They are a movie company, so they are going to make these whether we like it or not, because there is nothing else to do.

Why would anyone go to cinema to see these films when you can watch the TV shows with the same actors every week. Movies used to feel special.

>>213380341
make a pokemon movie adapting red/blue version

>>213378818 (OP)
Meh, I think they'll make more than 1b with this. Yes, Capeshit fatigue did finally set in a few years ago, but most Capeshit was either some literal who hero or a hero olayed by some literal who.
A movie with the old cast of the MCU will do good, if only for the nostalgia of the fags who grew up with those shit movies.

>>213378978
>Why the fuck do you care so much
You're literally crying right now.

>>213380284
Not very good at reading comprehension are you. With the gigantic budget Doomsday has it will have to make over a billion to break even. The budget is absurd

>>213378978
Why do you care that he cares ?

>>213378978
A shit 450million movie is robbing us of 10 45million movies, even if 8 are trash, 1 is mediocre and 1 is a hit, it would still be worth it.

>>213378978
>>213379255
it probably has more to do with neets wanting some (you)s and reactions like yours since that's probably the only human interaction they can have, they probably get off just by seeing retards arguing on their shitty slop threads

I think film is dying and the only people watching are +30 year olds. Kids don't give a fuck about movies nor do they have the attention span to watch them. I watch films with my wife's son and try to teach him into kino.

>>213379139
There's a lot of this going on but also they just weren't able to bridge the gap between the end of the classic MCU characters and the introduction of the Fox stuff successfully. They wanted to keep milking the old cow right up until the new one was in the barn but there wasn't enough there to sustain interest. Ms. Marvel, Agatha Harkness, replacement Captain America vs replacement Hulk and, Thunderbolts and Ant-Man weren't going to carry the load for years.

And where they really screwed the pooch was in fucking up the few things that might have actually sustained interest. Thor was a remnant of the old guard that still had a lot of untapped potential but they let Waitti off his leash and turned what should have been a guaranteed hit into a bomb. The Hulk is right there but they refuse to make him anything other than a side character because they don't want to split revenues with the other rights holders. She-Hulk could have been a viable IP and some of the greatest coombait of all time but instead they made a preachy, boring badly written mess of a show because they were too busy following HR diversity hire guidelines to hire anyone actually good. Shit, they could have just hired John Byrne and the Ally McBeal writer's room and that show would have been a 9/10.

>>213378818 (OP)
question: why the fuck are these movies so expensive?

>>213380895
Money laundering

>>213380895
There's no thought given to efficiency. They know that they can just keep throwing money at any problem, so that's how they solve them. They pay someone to design a practical super suit and then pay someone else to replace it with a computer model in every frame.
And then because they have to make that money back they pour even more into marketing, which isn't even included in the reported budgets.

>>213380895
FX and having to pay all name actors especially RDJ. And as another anon pointed out a ton of costly reshoots because MCU doesn’t use full working scripts which Gunn mocked them for not doing

>>213380341
>Videogame movies?
A Spectrobes movie will save Disney.

>>213380895
>>213381024
Just between RDJ and the Russo brothers, they're being paid over 160 million. Meanwhile, the entire budget of Godzilla (2023) was 15 million.

>>213380999
Probably some of this going on too.

>>213378818 (OP)
Look who will be the stars: black girl Ironman, Mestizo Namor, The Fagtastic Fail, and all sorts of other shit characters the audience doesn't give a fuck about. Not even RDJ can save this crap.

>>213380895
1) Money laundering
2) Reckless spending by everyone involved because they presumed the success of the IP would continue unabated in perpetuity and they could just print money forever. No one at Dinsey has the slightest amount of fiscal discipline
3) Filming by committee and knee-jerk reactionism kill your efficiency because it's hard to plan properly when you're not even sure what the plan is. Every day these massive productions keep going the meter is running and reshooting huge parts of the films after the fact and making changes in post via CGI all add to the bill.
4) Because they're way past the original contracts the stars can bend them over the Barrel in negotiations. Downy, Hemsworth and Evans didn't have much leverage before the first Avengers film. Now they can basically name their price.

>>213378978
money funneling is never ok in a society.
money spread creates jobs and people with jobs are happier.
that's not even accounting what the other anon said, multiple projects have the potential to bring multiple good products of the same quality, as this inflated money doesn't go to "more quality" like pre-production shit or set designs, goes to payrolls and contracts and kickbacks

>>213378818 (OP)
they still don't have a script finished and they're filming it

>>213380822
>Shit, they could have just hired John Byrne and the Ally McBeal writer's room and that show would have been a 9/10.
>tfw the writers admitted that writing court cases was too hard so they had She-Hulk dance instead

>>213380895
1 dickhead actors fucks it up for everyone else.
1 actor that says "fuck this, i'm getting as much money as I can", there's no Keanu Reeves or Tom Hanks treatment here, that they can choose to reduce their pay to fund parts of the movie because they believe in it. They fund scenes, production, extended shooting days.
Why would you do that here, when "funding the movie" is just paying RDJ more? Think about it.
If that money goes straight to RDJ's pockets, you aren't funding the movie, you are funding RDJ's career and RDJ's ability to negotiate. Not crew, equipment and location for more scenes. That's a different thing.
Therefore, you are incentivized to ask for YOUR fair share and fuck everything else.
It only takes 1 actor.

>>213381172
I bet if they gave Neil Blomkamp a $2mil salary, a $75 mil budget and just got the fuck out of his way he makes the best MCU Spider-Man movie of all time and doubles their profitability.

Of course, they'd start fucking with him from minute 1 and he'd probably rewrite the script to include more screeching about capitalism or something.

>>213381818
yes anon yes
Neil Blomkamp needs to be "pressured" to include capitalism criticism
yes mhm

>>213381753
When they made the deal with RDJ they figured they would make up the mass expense overseas. That is not the reality anymore. China is out and every capeshit movie is now under performing overseas. This movie going to be one of the most expensive movies ever made going into a hostile overseas market. It will likely make a billion but that’s not going to be good enough for how expensive this monstrosity is. If you can’t make a profit with a billion dollar movie everyone involved needs to be fired

>>213378818 (OP)
>Capeshit is dying, every movies is a flop
>What do ?
>Let's pour absurd amount of money into that movie, that's going to come out in 2 years, when capeshit will be even more dead


I'm constantly baffled by how retarded those "people" are, how can you be so fucking stupid ? What the fuck is their expectation ? That this bloated shitshow is going to make 3 billions and relaunch the MCU ?

>>213378818 (OP)
I haven't been to the movies for about five years.

>>213380895
It's very simple. I know some people that worked in a studio working on that Magic the Gathering cartoon that got cancelled. Well, their studio was hired by another "studio" and the latter didn't do any work, but would ask the former to pad their invoices to double, triple of what they actually received.
CGI is all like that. Five intermediaries, all of which bill double, triple, and then hire some slavs or jeets for cheap.

>>213380895
Mostly incompetency, the teams making movies today are all around worse, from director, to producer, all the way down to technical crews and actors being massively overpaid, Which can be put under incompetency too I guess.

>>213379139
They're too invested in trying to appeal to everyone but traditional comic book fans and in doing so have completely alienated those fans so now who are the stories made for apart from people who don't give a shit about comic books?

>>213382088
>CGI is all like that
Everything everywhere is like that. Either you are a farmer or you are a parasite.

>>213380631
>A shit 450million movie is robbing us of 10 45million movies, even if 8 are trash, 1 is mediocre and 1 is a hit, it would still be worth it.
All movies are shit and not worth watching

>>213379585
>kill off iron man because RDJ is too expensive
>spend tons of money now to bring RDJ back as Dr. Doom, and since they spent so much money on him, they show him off and can't just have him be Dr. Doom
kek

>>213380895
>RDJ eating literally half the budget
>huge ensemble cast with returning actors from old Marvel movies (they will get paid more)
>Russo Brothers also eating a chunk of the budget

That's pretty much it, the jeet VFX is cheap, also not including the marketing budget

>>213380201
Not a single Spider-Man film has been a flop.

>>213378978
Cause I want Disney to die you consumer cattle nigger.

>>213382847
>production 200M
>domestic 203M
That's a flop anon
Putting 200 million at a 2% interest makes more money than the fucking movie without the hassle of actually making a movie

They have spend all that money just to write a movie where women come out on top in a genre dedicated to uplifting men and camaraderie and teamwork and overcoming the forces of evil and friendship. Traditional morals meant to springboard a child into scripture since every single hero's moral center is modeled from the greatest hero humanity has ever known: Jesus Christ. It's fine to like superheroes but I feel that never bridging the connection between Christ and the act heroism through the ultimate sacrifice and instead remaining obsessed with the antics of fictional costumed characters is a sure sign of one's priorities being askew.

>>213382847
>it's a le flop
>no it's not!!

Only way a movie will be considered a flop is if it SEVERELY underperforms both critically and financially, if it performs great critically but poor financially it will not be considered a flop despite losing money, if it performs bad critically and great financially it also won't be considered a flop

It needs to be BAD on both ends, and sometimes not, look at ASM2, doesn't seem to be that big of a flop financially but that movie got trashed by everyone and was the movie that caused MCU Spider Man to happen

>>213382972
>only domestic matters
Amazing Spiderman 2's box office was disappointing, but it wasn't a flop.

>>213383111
Yes, only domestic matters.
How many times are we going to go over this shit.
That "production budget" doesn't take into account marketing, and "worldwide" takes a massive chunk of that money away on licensing and the tariffs that you burgerclappers are recently aware, exist.
A very safe bet is to see production budget and domestic, and disregard worldwide+marketing

>>213383205
You are a fucking retard

>>213383238
Ok nigger.
Go look for Amazing Spiderman 2's marketing spends, I'll wait here, when you have that number come back and we'll discuss

>>213380895
they aren't
they cost around 20-30 million to make
actors dont get paid those huge paychecks you hear about
look up 'hollywood accounting'
studios buy all the shit they need to make the movies from businesses their parent conglomerate owns, so they greatly inflate the price of everything (IE paying 80 dollars per styrofoam cup from the conglomerate owned catering company, or charging 300 million for marketing that is done on media owned by the conglomerate, etc)

so on paper the movies either don't make that much, or they are net losses on paper, which allows them to avoid paying taxes
the actor pay thing is some fucked shit I don't understand, something about a points system where they sign on for say 20 million but if the movie technically doesn't make a lot they don't get paid

>>213378818 (OP)
>budgeted at 450
so probably the real spending would be at least 3/4 billies with rdj getting 150 million just to be

>>213383347
you're retarded

>>213383347
>but if the movie technically doesn't make a lot they don't get paid
you live in fantasy land nigger, the actor is paid by contract, what the fuck are you saying

>>213378818 (OP)
>It’s budgeted at 450 not including promotions.
The most mindboggling thing is that this movie doesn't even set up the future of the MCU. Like advertising what's next. Well it sort of does, by killing everyone. But that doesn't make the viewer want more, because there is no more.

heaven's gate 2

>>213379049
>>213379260
Spider-Man 3, Amazing Spider-Man 2, and especially Into the Spider-verse 2 were all successful and still got no sequel

>>213378913
He has zero choice because there's nothing else to buy. They literally don't know what to do after capeshit dies besides make live action remakes. Even Eisner looks like a creative genius next to Iger at this point. The guy creatively bankrupted the company

>>213383961
Spider Man is an entirely different animal. Sony knows it’s Spider Man that sells not who plays him. They were to replace Maguire for SM2 when he held out for more money. Jake Gyllenhaal was real close to being him for SM2. Afrer SM3 and mixed reaction it got Sony moved on instead paying Raimi and Maguire more money. When Sony made the deal with Disney, Disney wanted their own Spider Man and why they booted Garfield for the twink

>>213384080
They are going to rerelease the Marvel movies as the "Muppet Cinematic Universe" with Kermit and the gang digitally added to the movies and making fun of them.

>>213384192
Yeah, I know all the reasoning behind it, but my point was it's not bulletproof. If the critical reception is mixed or it makes 100 million less than they want, they'll suddenly pivot to Tom Holland getting killed permanently in the next Avengers or whatever and start hyping up a new "young" actor for the role.
Also the recent Spider-man cartoon was a flop despite all the slop-eating retards who have Disney+

>Doom
Cool.
>The leftover shit heroes currently in MCU
Pass

>>213384332
The sad part is the MCU started out with (what was perceived to be) leftover shit heroes. All they had to do to keep making money was just put out a product that is at least halfway interesting to normalfags and they failed to do even that.

>>213378818 (OP)
Now imagine how fucked they will be after Keige planned all these bunch of cameos/roles of other OG capeshit actors, and most of them will probably decline the offer lol, I can 100% say that Eric Bana already said no to reprise as Hulk, kek.

>>213384383
The MCU started with a completely lame character like Captain America having a cool movie.

>>213384293
For sure. Tom looking like he’s aging out is the part and Sony going to get some nobody they can pay nothing for at some point

>>213384530
The better question is will Sony burn money and try live-action Miles Morales with leftist religion called DEI or will they yet another Peter Parker?

>>213382266
Nobody read comics. The crash of 96 was almost 30 years ago

>>213381989
Good. Fuck Disney. They started the chain of "WELL WILL REWITE THE PLOT IN POST" in the 2010s and also thought to reduce plot/dialogue to the bare minimum so it can be easily translated in to other languages.

When you have a very limited dialogue/less complex plot, its easy to translate AND easy for the low IQ browns to understand.

Watch a 1st phase Marvel movie vs anything after that. Anything after 1st phase Marvel has the characters LITERALLY ANNOUNCE of what they're doing, at all times. Its made for people to half-watch with phones or be drooling 60 IQ retards who get exposition fed to them instead of observing actions.

Fuck Hollywood. They get what they fucking deserve.

>>213382009
leftists think brute force/gaslighting/forcing people into doing things is a great thing

my local govts are powertripping so hard after covid its getting insane

>>213380284
>they will both hit the billy
If they "only" make a billion dollars each then they would be considered box-office disapointments, especially compared to Infinity War and Endgame which made nearly $5-billion combined just at the box-office.

>>213385545
Morels isn’t a DEI since he’s been around long before that. It would be the smart move because I don’t think people are going to he thrilled with another Peter Parker Spider Man reboot after Tom.

>>213385992
Spider Man will make a billion. Doomsday likely will but it needs way more. This movie going to cost almost 600 mill with promotions. That is beyond idiocy

>>213386085
600 million if they don't end up doing drastic reshoots like they did with captain america 4
or if they don't cut 20% of the movie out last-minute like they did with fantastic 4

>>213386217
Some places are saying the end budget will be close to a billion. I’m just using the lowest numbers which is already absurd

Is this going to be a 600mil burget or 800

Man it's one thing thaf a solo MCU movie flops but an actual Avengers movie flopping is going to be amazing to see

Maybe that actually kills the franchise

>>213386013
It really wouldn't. Look at how his video game performed. And that's the exact demo you want.

>>213378818 (OP)
>>213386849
>IT'S GOING TO FLOP
The movie that had millions of people watching a 4 hour long stream of chairs revealing the cast is sure going to flop

>>213386013
>>213386865
people already forgot about the miles cartoon movies even those did pretty well
nobody actually gives a shit about miles, if they take him out of the cool animation niche of those movies and try to have a live action movie where he fights one of his F-list nemesis, people won't show up

>>213387076
that didn't cost any money to watch
and lots of people were literally who-ing/disappointed by a lot of the names

>>213387076
Are you some kind of brown retard? Did you miss the entire point of this thread? It’s going to be the most expensive movie ever made. With at the minimum 600 million and at the highest close to a billion dollars. It will have to make almost 2 billion and that is not an exaggeration. That’s how insane this movie costs

>>213378818 (OP)
I have no idea what's been going on with the MCU since Endgame. Aren't most of the characters black and gay now?

>>213388214
most of the new "main characters" haven't even appeared in anything in years and they're expecting people to give a shit when like Shang Chi is back in the next avengers or whatever

>>213378818 (OP)
good hammer the final nail into this garbage... of course hollywood will just jump on the next victim which will obviously be and already is videogames but at least videogames are more diverse than the faggot superhero comic genre and minecraft for all its critics was more enjoyable then every single mcu movie i watched

>>213378913
Watch Succession, the CEO is a toothless puppet who must do whatever the board of directors demands. They exist as the fake spokesperson and figure head.

>>213378978
I wanna see Doomsday crash and burn cause Marvel and Disney pulled an Icarus and tried flying too close to the sun.
It's that simple.
It's being pushed as their next big event movie 2 parter.
Let their hubris catch up with them and stumble at the first part.

>>213388182
>>213388379
You're a faggot

>>213388359
It sucks that you have to say "Watch a tv show" to teach redditors basic things

>>213388379
>I wanna see Doomsday crash and burn cause Marvel and Disney pulled an Icarus and tried flying too close to the sun.
I genuinely have no idea what you mean by this. MCU has been at >50% mediocre movies since day 1.

>>213380341
>there is nothing else to do
they could create a new IP

>>213380341
They'll just lean onto Sci-fi and pump out Avatars, Aliens and Predators for a few years

>>213383428
he's probably confusing it with rookie actors agreeing to royalties based on the profit rather than net, which is how you trick people into accepting 0 royalty payments because no movie ever technically profits because of hollywood accounting

>>213378978
this.

>>213384411
they never asked him.

>>213388359
shouldnt have gone public stupid puppet ceo

>>213378818 (OP)
>>213386740
this kills the mouse

>>213378978
Endgame was so bad it changed something in me.

>>213378978
Some of us are fascinated by the business of Hollywood. Not just the bombs, I was super interested in how crazy well Sinners did in the USA.

>>213389401
For me it’s just how insane a movie making a billion won’t make a profit because of how expensive it is. How is that even possible. Put into perspective Deadpool-Wolverine cost 200 mill plus 100 million in promotion and made 1.3 billion.

>>213384080
I wonder if Iger will finally greenlight doing something with Kingdom Hearts out of sheer desperation because he’s already ruined every other franchise under Disney’s thumb and needs another sacrificial lamb, or if working with Nomura is simply not worth the trouble even in a desperate situation.

>>213389533
I saw that movie twice in theaters because Dafne Keen came back for it.
I'm sure other people had other reasons.

>>213388632
They might agree to point on the back end, especially if its a big actor working for scale.
But if its not someone established they just offer them a check as low as possible because the saw SAG rules work, if you bring an actor back to reprise their role in a sequel you're obligated to pay them more.
And RDJ isn't a dummy, his dad was a director and he was a child actor who got black listed from hollywood because his substance abuse and legal troubles made him uninsurable.

Dr. Doom being the new big bad makes sense, he's a great villain. But casting RDJ is colossal fuck-up. He costs one hundred million dollars and just screams of nostalgia bait/desperation. You're already turning off a good portion of fans who are cynical about the casting. Why not use someone like Mads Mikkelsen (or a Skarsgaard) who's gonna be undoubtedly cheaper?

They also fucked up with the whole multiverse bullshit. We have
>X-Men coming from the post-credits scene of the Marvels, which nobody saw
>Fantastic Four from a completely different universe
>TWO teams of Avengers from the original universe, where both their movies bombed (Captain America Black New World and Thunderbolts)

And from what I can see, Avengers Doomsday is gonna have a goofy tone. The Thunderbolts post credits scene is directed by the Russos and it's quips quips quips. It's a fucking disaster.

>>213389706
>multiverse bullshit
colossal fuckup. The MCU has been a clusterfuck since endgame

>>213389706
one of the biggest anti-kang criticisms was that it should've been doom
there was also rumors like right after endgame that they were courting matthew mcoughnehey to be doom that I heard from basically every possible place that would leak shit like that and usually had solid info
it's entirely possible they went the kang route because he said no to doom, and that's why they were so quick to go the doom route when that fell through, only now they wanted actual stunt casting instead of just a solid name for the part

>>213389706
This. Why the fuck are you paying a fortune for a character that wears a mask over his face! Now because they paid a fortune for RDJ, Doom will hardly wear the mask because you don’t pay 100 mill for a actor and cover his face to the point people will think he’s only doing the voice over

>>213389880
What annoys me about it, is that in the comics they eventually had to start using multiverse shit because they had plumbed every other well dry in the half century before we got crisis tier shit trying to straighten out the continuity, and writing things out, but then people wanting them back, and so multiverses yo!
But the movies have only scratched the surface of decent runs and crossover comics they could be adapting into movies. So why break your neck trying to go balls deep into the multiverse?
The only thing that really makes sense to me is if they wanted to bring the x men and fantastic four into the MCU, but you can't just have them show up out of the blue, so you set up an incursion so you can soft reboot the setting to where the fantastic four WERE the first family, and mutants have been around in the public eye since the 60's.

>>213390222
I like multiverse shit when it serves a purpose, and allows you to kill characters that are normal meta-invincible because of profit margins
Something like the Age of Apocalypse storyline is cool, some heroes turn evil, tons of others are dead, you can shift the focus to people who don't usually get attention, you can have actual stakes, but I think even that crossed over into the normal x-men universe at some point

>>213390297
The x-men do love their time travel and divergent reality plot.
Unfortunately after the x men age of apocalypse movie I think the closest anyone will get outside of a cartoon is the variant cameo in deadpool and wolverine.
My waifu was Blink, and/or Rogue with the GitS major cut. Made me diamonds as a kid.

>>213379139
Every single leftist here in california is some faggot who moved here from you shitty flyover states, good riddance your unwanted flyover faggots are going back to their home states

>>213379139
>Disney movie are basically being churned out without much planning or thought
Just like Phase 1 to 3. Iron Man started filming without a finished script.

>>213390672
that movie wasn't a big crossover movie intended to merge universes and set up 10-movie story arcs

>Spend a billion
>Have to make 3 billion to profit
>Right at the time where nobody wants to see marvel films
Huh?

>>213390895
but it'll work this time, because they'll have rebecca romijin and james marsden
everyone loved them

My only complaint with the new FF movie is that Thing didn't do much
Though it was pretty clearly Sue's movie

>>213390598
My family are long time farmers from Northern Cali and they’ve been waiting to form the State of Jefferson for as long as I can remember because big city lefties running the state

>>213391033
Your family should be mad at the almond farmers that waste water like crazy

>>213391062
how many head of walnut do they have?

>>213391062
They’re from Chico, they know all about almond farmers

>>213382972
>$709,672,746 worldwide
This isn't a flop, anon.

>>213378818 (OP)
I heard the voices say 600m

>>213384411
Checked. Keep them away from that fucking movie. That would be like nuking a Buddhist temple.

>>213391113
>$709,672,746 worldwide
what movie do you think we're talking about

>>213390973
>no one will ever make a movie about the thing hanging out in a bar while various heroes and bad guys come and go and the end of the movie is the hulk walks by and they have a fist fight because those doods hate each other.

>>213391202
Probably what it will be when youbinclude RDJ paycheck

>>213391285
3 billion including marketing

>>213391282
I’d watch this if it was Norton’s Hulk and not Nu Hulk

>>213388359
>the CEO is a toothless puppet who must do whatever the board of directors demands
The CEO at my company "retired" after a large investment firm put out a public letter saying they weren't confident in his ability to lead because he was just buying up a bunch of companies and the stock price could be higher if he sold off a bunch of companies and just focused on the core products. The Board of Directors of course freaked the fuck out and basically told him he either had to "retire" or get publicly ousted. But they were basically kicking him to the curb regardless.

>>213378913
He is probably fine with letting his company devalue enough to try to convince Apple to buy it, yes.

>>213391110
I am not joking when I say I will vote for anyone who promises to do something about the fucking Almond Cartel that secretly runs this state
Not a single politician from either party even talks about it

>>213391280
This one?

>>213391412
Not even when Paradise turned into a gigantic fire tornado and burnt down because was so fucking dry and no water

>>213391285
>youbinclude
this made me laugh

>>213391412
forget it jake
it's chinatown

>>213382847
Spider-Man movies don't need to be financial failures to be flops that derailed the series and led to a reboot
It's already happened twice, three times if they do some new Miles Morales project in the future that has no connection to the animated movie series that is seemingly dead in the water despite, again, being successful

>>213391523
Spider Man will start losing steam if they reboot him again. Smarter thing to do is give Spider Man a break but Sony can’t do that or they will lose the movie rights. They will keep pumping them out.

>>213391523
>>213391582
Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, Hulk, Wolverine, and Wonder Woman all have an audience beyond your typical capeshit. They always make money even if the rest don't.

>>213391672
>Wonder Woman
No. Never. Not ever.
Wonder Woman's most defining moments outside of being the only girl the Justice for however long is anytime she violent murders a villain (based) and everyone takes sides on whether she was justified or psychotic
She had a single movie that did well, with many factors padding out that success, and then when the sequel didn't have any of those factors, it flopped

>>213391672
What are you taking about? Last Wonder Woman bombed! Batman is losing steam. The Batman didn’t make a billion. Jurassic World which was making billion each movie now won’t make a billion. You keep pumping shit out and it will lose its luster at some point

>>213391725
Wonder Woman has a audience of older women whl grew up with the Lynda Carter Show. The first Gal Gadot movie made more than The Batman. The second one was trashed by critics and came out in the middle of covid.

>>213391912
>older women
don't watch movies

>>213378818 (OP)
It's going to lose hundreds of millions of dollars and Secret Wars will be scrapped

>>213391827
>Last Wonder Woman bombed! Batman is losing steam.
During covid WW 1984 bombed but everything did. Also The Batman made over $700 million.

>>213391941
No they don't watch capeshit. They like romcoms and hollywood stopped making them so they turned to tv. They will however watch Wonder Woman the same way black people show up to black panther. Actually you could probably add Black Panther on the list of capeshit characters that have broader appeal so Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, Hulk, Wolverine, Wonder Woman, and Black Panther. When the MCU finally dies after a few mega flops expect these characters to still be around in some capacity. Everyone else will be gone though.

>>213392092
>No they don't watch capeshit.
No, retard.
Women over 50 see like 1 movie a year, and it's not gonna be Wonder Woman. It'll be some Meryl Streep Oscar-bait or whatever.

>>213378818 (OP)
They just need to kill it and relaunch the Universe with the phase 1 formula. Standalone films with low budgets and A or B list heroes. No political shit, no diversity quotas, just the characters people like. Then, after you have 4 or 5 hits, you make a crossover movie. Then you make follow ups to those movies and sprinkle in new movies about C listers.

Everything after Infinity War was just throwing shit at random introducing Scrunko Gablogian with a 300 million dollar budget movie as if anybody knows or cares who the fuck that is.

>>213392142
If you would read the post you would see where I address that. Older women are not catered to by modern capeshit obsessed hollywood. They used to be a key demographic Mama Mia made more than every Fantastic Four Movie combined. They will see wonder woman though.

>>213378818 (OP)
Dr. Doom has got to be the most overhyped character ever. Normies do not know or care who the fuck that is. He's tied to the Fantastic Four which normies don't care about. They're pinning their hopes on everybody turning up for him but there's no reason to assume general audiences even care about him.

>>213378913
Motherfucker is getting paid either way and is probably too coked up to think straight,.

>>213380341
anime

>>213378913
>Is he happy to be paid millions for a job in which he doesn't have to put any effort into as long as the board of directors approves of him
Yes.

>>213379260
>sassy
>hated by society
>perpetually broke
>perpetually haunted by lack of father figure
>perpetually shat on by girlfriend
>enemies are always either blue collar criminals or twisted forms of society's elite
>in danger of chimping out if he's exposed to too much darkness
Black coded white man.

>>213382847
Spiderverse was a flop that got a lucky break and won an Oscar so its sequel got produced at a loss. Ironically the sequel was not as good as the original yet made more money.

>>213392371
>they will see Wonder Woman though
they didn't.
Wonder Woman made less than 100 million more than Suicide Squad, that's not everyone's mom and grandma going to see it, that's just the usual Snyderverse people and some additional twitter feminists.

>>213388359
Put some respect on my boy Tom

>>213392309
It doesn't make sense why they chose not to go that route. The Infinity War Saga had years of build up and had the audience get attached to the main cast, it may be safe to just write that off as lightning in a bottle that would never be repeated again. Trying to rush through a new saga with Kang made no sense, especially when he got fucking mogged in the movie he showed up in.
Fucksake, even DC may be in a better position with Superman now, and that film is only just close to breaking even.

>>213378818 (OP)
I want the jews who defiled Disney to go bankrupt.

>>213392699
It made more than man of steel and made more than Gunn superman please stop seething due to it appealing to women. Suicide Squad was a flash in the pan success because it had a cool trailer.

>>213378978
They're holding IPs hostage and if they do well then they'll continue to accumulate more retard

>>213392757
it's all the retards who were just so attached to RDJ and Scarjo in these fucking roles, when in reality a sustained comic book movie universe with sequels and crossovers should be structured more like the production of James Bond movies, where you plan like 3, leave room for the main actor to fuck off if he wants, or if you want to change things up because you don't want to keep paying out, then do a soft reboot with someone new, maybe recast everyone else, maybe not, but just keep going under the loose assumption that all the past movies still happened

>>213392850
>stop seething
I'm not seething. I'm calling you a retard for thinking women over 50 (which is who you're talking about when you were talking about girls who grew up on the Lynda Carter show) did not go out and see Wonder Woman in droves.
If they had, it would've cracked a billion instead of just being a generally successful comic book movie released in the mid 2010s.

>>213392885
Unfortunately it's not possible to do it right since Disney sat down with fintech bros who said "these IPs need to make x amount per year for y years for the leveraging and loaning required to purchase them to be profitable"

>>213392945
Wonder Woman made more than any DC movie that didn't have batman in it except for Aquaman which also made money off women horny for Jason Momoa. Only the Nolan Trilogy, Joker and Aquaman ever made over a billion for DC. You are seething because I mentioned a woman and you will never be one.

>>213393236
That doesn't make any sense.
Grandmas did not run out to see Wonder Woman, get over it.

For a chubby weird-looking tranny that hires endless weird-looking trannies, her only successes came when her overseers had a committee with QUALITY CONTROL.

First committee rule, "Sue Storm should look mildly above average to mildly attractive" (not a weird looking troon). She is of extremely average intelligence and fairly unclever. She tends to be supportive, but mildly whiny. She's June Cleaver with better social graces.

Second rule, "Johnny Storm is a handsome attractive, impulsive, fun-loving prankster, womanizer, social peacock."

Third Rule, "Reed Richards is a science project obsessed, but loving low-emotion scientist. Reed exists in a world of a series of small problems he can quickly solve, but his best adventures come from problems with no obvious solution such as marriage and family and his array of super powered friends and enemies. If a problem is trivial to Reed, his easiest solution is to invent a robot or create a computer program."

To outsiders, Reed is the genius dad too busy with his science problems but cares about his children. Susan is mom, average of averages. Johnny is the older uncle living his best life while he's young, "life's too short to not enjoy it".

How Has Marvel's Elimination Of The Creative Committee Changed The MCU?
News
By Matt Wood published February 28, 2018
https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2317962/how-has-marvels-elimination-of-the-creative-committee-changed-the-mcu

The last two movies that the Creative Committee was involved with were Captain America: Civil War and Doctor Strange. After that, it's all just pure Marvel Studios.

>>213382491
>everything everywhere is like that
all ar once???

>>213378818 (OP)
Common sense says this should be a flopper flopius flopperino McFlop, but Deadpool and Wolverine made a billion and that was godawful and didn't even feel high stakes.

Marvel fucked up so bad by giving us the most retarded hulk ever.
>>213379049
I wonder if Tom Holland is coming back after Spider-man 4. If that movie flops we will never see him again as spidey

who could possibly care about these movies still
like there hasn't been a good one of these in years at this point

>>213378913
Man that is a creepy fucking picture of Iger.
Can’t tell if it is a skinsuit or a rubber stand in.
Also the eyes follow you, wtf.

>>213383238
he's exaggerating it but not entirely wrong. there's a reason that a 700m movie is seen as a disappointment, because of how bad the DOM/INT split was. No studio wants their domestic split to be that bad. It's the same reason why Transformers 5 is considered a flop. Studios only make like 20% of their international ticket gross in many countries. It's also why despite people desperately wanting it to fail WB will probably be happy enough with Superman 2025 because it's so domestic heavy.

I promise you if TASM2 made most of its money domestic vs international we'd be having a 3rd one by now.

Anyone got the Brand New Day leaks someone posted here? They're probably legit since they got the cast right

Does anyone care about Robert Downey Jr or the avengers anymore?

>>213391441
Do Anons just look at the total number and that's it? Look at that domestic earning, that's terrible. Studios make most of their money off domestic profits, and a much smaller slice of the pie from international. That's why they thought TASM2 was a flop. They probably profited about as much from their 90m domestic OW as they did their 200m international ones. If you swapped those two numbers, Sony would've been over the moon.

>>213381989
ne zha 2 besides being a better movie than most superhero movies over the last years also kinda proved that china doesnt need hollywood..

>>213394617
People still like RDJ, but everything is basically riding on him to renew interest back in Marvel's "cinematic universe" after they fucked up by going all in on Jonathan Majors and just releasing mediocre Endgame follow ups.

>>213388359
>succession is a documentary, apparently
The apsoultuke state of Americans
Protip: if you get your history from fiction you are dumb as dirt.

>>213378818 (OP)
Literally doomsday for Disney's marvel. Time to sell to WB and let James gunn take over. Feige is out of touch and senile.

>>213387076
> >IT'S GOING TO FLOP
Correct.

>>213379049
Grown ass man defending his child slop
You pathetic bitch

>>213394764
pompadour piggu cute and cool

>these movies don’t actully cost alot.
Disney burned 9 billion into ash in 3 years. And that is with the park revenue

>>213394755
Checked.
> People still like RDJ,
Doubt.
I think he wore out his second welcome.
People like iron man. And like him a little less every film

>>213394582
Only China takes 70% of the profits or doesn’t play in China. However, international numbers are important. Movies would not have ridiculous budgets they have if not for international. You are not going to profit with 200 million plus promotion movie off solely domestic. Very few movies make over 400 million domestic.

>>213384411
>Eric Bana already said no to reprise as Hulk

Nobody cares about Eric Banana, he's making shitty Netflix tv shows now.

>>213390598
>good riddance your unwanted flyover faggots are going back to their home states

Sorry Kalifornia, you're stuck with all our lawn shitting deadbeat meth heads as you keep giving them welfare that we won't.

>>213396289
I’ll take Bana any day over Mark Ruffalo

>>213379585
the first movies did a great job

Looking at the negative atmosphere surrounding internet crowd regarding new Avengers I'd be surprised if it won't bend up being the biggest flop in the history.
Movie will probably have combined budget approaching 1 billion.
And looking at every MCU movie underperforming or flopping what are the chances people will go to the theaters to watch Avengers they have no connection to? Surely Marvel will brute force someone butts into seats with aggressive advertisement like WB did with Superjew but will it be enough to make even 1.5 billion?

>>213396503
I liked his Doom. I wasn’t thrilled at first him being on same ship and getting electrical powers but it worked

>>213379585
I feel like he's going to wear the Fortnite costume from Absolute Doom. I could be wrong but I feel like that Fortnite season was supposed to tie into the movie but it got delayed.

>>213396543
I don’t see how this will do well. The first Avengers had a lot of momentum going into it. All the movies were moderate success and Iron Man was taking off. What do they got going into this outside Downey Ir as Doom? This looks just like DC trying to force the JL movie with no momentum

>>213380341
I think both the film and animation industries should go back to adapting books and comics like they used. There are so many incredible stories that could make amazing franchises. I think they should try adapting popular books/comics with existing fanbases so that people will have an incentive to watch the film. Once the film receives good reviews, its popularity will spread by word of mouth and through social media memes. People who did not originally read the book will watch the movie out of interest. There is a beautiful relationship between movies and books where both industries help each other out.

>>213397123
>There is a beautiful relationship between movies and books where both industries help each other out.
t. man wildly out of touch with how badly both industries have driven away all their talent

>>213378818 (OP)
>doomsday comes out
>makes 900 million globally
>shills and bots try to spin it like a success because it’s a big number
>but it’s a tiny number when you factor in the budget and the previous success of the other 4 avengers movies

It’s going to happen, and it might actually be the end of capeshit this time. RDJ won. He’s laughing all the way to bank. Nobody cares about capeshit anymore and nobody cares about doctor doom. There is Literally no build up to any of this trash. It’s all a last minute desperate course correction.

>>213397151
Why not? The great thing about books is that there are many different books made for different audiences. There are plenty of books popular among women on booktok that would make great chick flicks. A lot of men like Brandon Sanderson and sci fi shit. Could make some fun movies out of that. There are books for both older and younger audiences. The problem with video games is that they don't appeal to many different demographics. Not everyone may be willing to watch a video game movie.

>>213383205
>Yes, only domestic matters.
Then why push so hard to appeal to Asian markets?
How can a franchise like the Monsterverse even exist? Those movies domestic box office are routinely tens of millions of dollars under its reported budget, yet we're on like the 5 or 6th one.

There's a million things that can determine the profitability of a movie, and it's different for each production. The first weeks of a domestic release are the most important across the board, but to say only that matters is retarded.

>>213380895
>question: why the fuck are these movies so expensive?
Actor salaries have ballooned based on the success of previous films, as have the salaries for producers and directors.
The movies are rush jobs, often times filming without a script, or even storyboards. Nothing is planned, things are shot than scrapped, then shot again. You shoot for coverage, hundreds of hours of footage, then just stitch it together later in post.
A huge amount of the burden to 'make' the film is pushed onto on the post production crews which requires massive teams of people working all day and night to meet deadlines.
Hollywood accounting.

>>213378818 (OP)
>fuck our laundering op where we pay a bunch of talentless fuckheads insane amounts of money to not talk about the child trafficking is really cutting into our margins
>let's make a new movie that has EVERY SINGLE ONE of those talentless overpaid fuckheads in it and pay them exorbitant amounts of money for cameos!
B R A V O

>>213380341
>Name one direction they should go.
Buy up booktok smut IPs and make insane amounts of money doing your marketing hot boys to horny preteens thing again.

>>213397304
Nope, all of the Monsterverse movie doubled their supposed budget. Even Godzilla KOTM, which was the one that supposedly bombed, made 387 millions against a budget of 170 millions

>>213394985
Nah, people love RDJ but they want him doing the third Sherlock Holmes movie, not as fucking Doom

>>213397304
From what I gather is the goal is overseas will cover a lot of the budget so they can make a profit off domestic. Budgets are getting insane because everything is going up and you got to make it big because you got competing media you have to make it worth getting people to want to see it on the big screen in large numbers as opposed to just waiting for streaming

>>213397304
>How can a franchise like the Monsterverse even exist?
Chinks love big things shooting lasers and knocking over buildings anon, it's not limited to Americans. Remember how well the Bayformers movies did in China too at first?

>>213397435
I find it really funny that the people involved at first assumed viewers NEEDED human PoV characters to stay invested, and quickly learned over the course of successive movies that actually no nobody gives a shit about the humans, focus solely on the monsters.

>>213394582
>Studios only make like 20% of their international ticket gross in many countries.

It's closer to 40% for international markets, higher in some markets,(Canada, UK) lower in others (China) but 40% gives you a rough idea that works well enough. While domestic is closer to 50-60 depending on how front loaded the movies are and how much the studio can get away with bullying the theaters. Studios generally take a larger split for opening weekend, then it slowly evens out. During prime MCU and Star Wars days Disney was pushing close to 90/10 first week split with theaters.

>>213394985
This >>213397460 is correct. Even on ultra normie sites like Youtube comments sections people are fucking aghast at the idea of RDJ playing Doom. Shitting on the idea even though nobody holds the guy himself any ill will.

>>213397435
>Nope, all of the Monsterverse movie doubled their supposed budget. Even Godzilla KOTM, which was the one that supposedly bombed, made 387 millions against a budget of 170 millions
Not domestically.
KOTM has a reported budget of 170m and made 110 domestic.
That franchise should be dead in the water if only domestic mattered like the original person said.

>>213397462
>From what I gather is the goal is overseas will cover a lot of the budget so they can make a profit off domestic. Budgets are getting insane because everything is going up and you got to make it big because you got competing media you have to make it worth getting people to want to see it on the big screen in large numbers as opposed to just waiting for streaming

Domestic is preferred because they get a larger cut, but even the cut isn't that mooch bigger, we're talking 10-20% Domestic audiences are also easier to predict and advertise and sell merchandise too. Americans just consume more than any other country, so if you find success you want it to be in America. But at the end of the day money is money, it doesn't really matter that much where it comes from.

Theres a lot of franchises out right now that solely rely on international box office to keep them going, and they'll keep going until that well dries up as well.

>>213397505
KOTM was considered a bomb. But they pushed on with Godzilla-Kong thinking Kong might attract more of a domestic audience. It proved to be a success. There’s a reason why keep making Godzilla movies now with Kong in it

>>213397617
I just want them to bring Mecha-King Ghidorah back for one last hurrah before the setting ends. The REAL Mecha-King Ghidorah, not Kevin.

They can do it. They've already established Ghidorah's regeneration is so bullshit it's consciousness can revive from a fucking skull.

>>213378818 (OP)
When it is finally going to be exposed that the real reason these movies cost so much is because the Indian firms they are outsourced to are scamming disney

>>213378818 (OP)
I definitely get the feeling it's going to flop. I feel like they haven't even properly set up who's going to be in the new avengers team. They've failed to build hype because of the incoherence of the films since endgame

>>213378818 (OP)
this will finally kill the mcu

>>213378978
Because your opinion means nothing to me, but you can't disagree with facts like how much money and movie made

>>213379585
Thanos in post credits and GotG looked different in Avengers 3+4

>>213379139
>Disney is also trying to please everybody which is a great way of pleasing nobody.


No, they aren't. They went from selling wokeslop to selling watered down wokeslop and are expecting the audience to lap it up like pigs in a trough.

>>213380284
Doomsday will crawl to $1 billion sometime in late March 2027, after Avatar 3 does $2-3 billion a year earlier

>>213398002
This. If anything they're only trying to please themselves and the washed up old hags and diversity hires who they want to represent the franchise.

Black Panther 2 is a surreal fucking experience when you think about it, it's basically a big budget wake for Chadwick Boseman that asks you to accept Wakanda can't fix a single disease that definitely isn't cancer and also that a random bracelet representing feelings 'n shit is the key to artificially recreating the heart-shaped herb. Kind of like how the secret to making a magic-powered Iron Man suit is sacrificing the AI copy of your best friend and building it out of your dead dad's car. They're literally glorifying the idea of living off nostalgia. Nobody here will comprehend that last part because nobody sane would force themselves to watch Ironheart out of morbid curiosity

>>213378818 (OP)
fuck yeah
I hope it flops hard
MCU should have ended with Endgame

>script not finished
>cgi budget is no doubt gonna get india'd and so think some ai may ven get past the quality control

>>213398049
I share your hopes, but I think it'll at least take 3-4 standalone movies to flop afterwards before they finally give up. No doubt they'll try to release it in summer, get the bored blockbuster crowd to at least break even.

>>213398136
But yeah, the real hope is outsourcing destroying the CGI industries so hard they literally can't make the same quality after a while without having to pay Rajesh & Co.

>>213378818 (OP)
APOLOGIZE

>>213380284
So Doomsday will maybe just barely break even? Because it’ll need at least a billion to break even

>>213398163
Quantum Mania flopped. Even if the scandal didn't break out, Kang arc was dead in the water.

>>213378913
>Had the opportunity to retire from Disney with a in-tact legacy
>immediately comes back and destroys it
He’s a retard. He could have stayed gone and let Bob Chapek take the hit. But he was too egotistical

>>213379049
This. Normalfags love Spider-Man.

>>213383205
Just because superflop only sold domestically doesn't suddenly make the market more important than the rest of the fucking world's. But you already knew this.

>>213378978
Because successful products are copied and unsuccessful ones are not you absolute mongoloid. Do you want ten more years of capeshit?

>>213378913
Disney's stock holders seem to be fine with being raped over and over again, so why should he care?
Remember when we were going to get a new Star Wars movie every year, and each movie would've reliably made around a billion dollars? Yeah, since he was too big of a pussy to fire Kennedy, they are going to go seven years between SW movies, but again the share holders don't seem to care.

>>213378949
I honestly didn't expect that the MCU had gotten this bad to the point where RDJ couldn't save it.

>>213399313
The fact that they're bringing RDJ back after killing off his character in the most narratively iconic and definitive way possible was the death toll, really. Even normies realise this is a sign of complete desperation and creative bankruptcy.

>>213378818 (OP)
Keep in mind they Disney doesn't have to spend a dime to cut five seconds out of David Muirs broadcast to promote their YouTube channels new add. I don't think Disney has spent a dime on adds in over a decade.

>>213399586
What does that have to do with anything? Not sure how to tell you this but David Muir isn't the be-all end-all of marketing.

>>213384411
Hulk needs an Immortal Hulk movie but the only way that could happen now is if some crazed fan kidnapped both Feige and the head of NBC.Universal and held both for ransom

>>213399695
>Hulk needs an Immortal Hulk movie
1. I'm pretty sure studios are still too traumatised by the Ang Lee movie bombing to touch anything thematically similar re: Hulk again
2. Be very, very careful what you wish for. Think carefully about all the ways Hollywood could fuck it up. Especially since Hulk doesn't really have the established rogues' gallery he does in the comics. Fuckssake Braniac only did supervillain things in Captain America 4, and canonically spent years locked up in Ross' rape dungeon being the reason why he managed to keep falling upwards into his presidency after the Sokovia debacle.

The Russo brothers are the biggest hacks in recent Hollywood history. They will not succeed in refreshing the capeshit genre.

>>213399729
Immortal is very cerebral, and unlike Ang's version it's not forced, the cerebral aspect is fully integrated into its plot
I thought it could be pulled off like M. Night Shyamalan's "Split", in which you could have a different actor represent each one of Bruce's distinct personalities

I don't see any way how it doesn't turn into a flop, the only good thing is it might be so bad of a flop it drastically overhauls hollywood and causes a new genre to take over.

>>213399957
It'd be fitting that 2028 is the end of the superhero movie and the cinematic universe, to bookend these nightmarish 20 years.

>>213399965
The worse idea is AI film taking over in it's place. Which I can see happening due to the idea of cutting costs.

Just make a film for 100M. That's all they need to do. Maybe 150M max. It's a lot of money, why is this so hard?

>>213399987
At this stage, what's the fucking difference? I'd be all for the compromise of having these blockbusters be all 3D CGI (think, Arkham cinematics) with AI infused tech so more resources and attention can be given to the mid-budget dramas and such. I think the live-action superhero movie was always a ridiculous medium of entertainment. Just glorified professional wrestling. These characters belong in comics and cartoons, not film.

>>213392419
Thanos was even more of a comic only thing and the MCU turned him into one of the most recognizable capeshit villains for the new generations. Before the MCU the average normie was significantly more likely to know about Doom than Thanos. But yeah, we know they are not going to make Doom into the second Thanos because there’s 0 buildup to this shit.

>>213399663
That they have spent fuck all on promoting it. What did you think I meant?

>>213400286
Did they? He had no actual iconography (which he would've but they ditched the helmet from the comics) and made his motivation much more timely and thus less able to flow into cultural osmosis. Feels like he's pretty forgotten, anon. It's 2025. Not 2019.

>>213378978
Looking at box office numbers that someone else calculated is a lot easier than forming my own opinion on a piece of media.

>>213400476
My FAVOURITE piece of KINOma by the way? A Minecraft Movie, starring Jack Black.

>>213381377
Checked and correct but also, don't forget the free money from Blackrock as long as they toe'd the diversity line. Literally govt-funded propaganda.

>>213378913
There’s nothing he can do. This isn’t a problem of our of touch execs making demands and employees/middle managers meekly churning out shit until they get their marching orders, it’s a problem of rot on every level.
The execs are trend chasing retards, the management is comprised almost entirely kicked upstairs diversity/nepotism hires, the “skilled” workers are all incompetent due to the hiring being compromised, and the blue collars are just grabbing a paycheck without giving a fuck.

You can’t just course correct that. If an order from up top comes to try fixing the problems at marvel, you’d have to deal with:
>executives that aren’t even aware of what the problems are
>passive resistance from people politically invested in the status quo regardless of how many people hate it
>writers that think a hunger games fanfic is the peak of fiction and hope one day to compare to that level
>producers that spend a month organising the non dairy options for the director’s niece
>staff that are plain retarded
And you can’t fire all of them, because 90% of these people will belong to one group or another with connections to publicity groups who will bitch non stop for months on end.
Their only way forward is constructive dismissal of incompetents over a course of years, and bribing/blackmailing anyone who kicks up a stink about it.

Even then, all the movies in the pipeline won’t just get canned because investors will have a stroke, so you have to deal with all those bombs too.

I thought it was just /tv/ being /tv/ calling everything a flop, but I’m actually in shock FF was a genuine flop
>budget-$200m+
>BO-$367.4m
wasn’t this shit supposed to set up the next 10 MCU movies?

>>213378978
watching box office results and trends has become more interesting than the “stories” being produced

>>213400750
Nobody has liked the FF since the first movie, galactus sucks.

>>213378913
Has the fox acquisition been profitable yet?

>>213380471
there’s no way to adapt red/blue into a compelling screenplay

>>213400634
It's both fitting and frustrating that the only thing that can ultimately destroy diversity nepos is their own incompetence reaching critical mass. They wouldn't be in this situation if they could just FUCKING take criticism and make a GODDAMN entertaining movie instead of clinging to a formula so transparent even their braindead audience can see through it.

>>213378818 (OP)
>triple
So, $900mil.?

>>213389558
He probably doesn't even know know what the fuck that is. I feel bad for kingdom hearts fans because nobody besides the fans seem to give even the slightest shit

>>213397376
You also have unbelievably expensive series with a bunch of nobodies like The Acolyte. Things are just getting more expensive with or without recognizable names.

>>213397617
the Godzilla and kong movies make a shit ton from the toys too don't forget

>>213388359
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/apr/03/disney-bob-iger-shareholders

Nelson Peltz tried to course correct but it's too late now

>>213379585
how hard would it have been to just give us something like this?

>>213398016
Good for whatever company owns avatar then
Oh wait...

>>213378913
He's literally just a puppet of the DNC (hollywood is one of their main propaganda arms)

>>213400015
Hollywood is kind of a bubble. Everything cost more, because everything cost more. Why would a make up artist work for cheap? Or costume designer? You want someone good and has experience, you gotta pay. None of this service or labor actually costs this much, but in hollywood it does. It's like the wedding industry. Normally it's 60 bucks, wedding? 120. Hollywood needs to start finding ways to save money to survive. 10-30m for your cast is one place.

>>213397955
rumor is this is actually a scene from doomsday, which has been filming since April.

>>213402177
Doomshit

>>213380729
>I watch films with my wife's son and try to teach him into kino.
Does he like gladiator movies?

>>213381753
>reduce their pay to fund parts of the movie because they believe in it
I don't know how much of a dickhead RDJ is (I remember he did get a pay cut for Oppenheimer) but why the fuck would he (or anyone) believe in this movie?
He and everybody that is not a delusional executive has correctly identified hiring him as a desperation move to save a doomed (sorry) project. Nickel and diming the retards in charge is the correct thing to do.

>>213379255
/leftypol/tard incels emotionally invested in the success of liberal Hollywood

>>213392776
The only people who will go bankrupt are the employees working in the trenches.

>>213402177
He's supposed to be a Tony Stark Variant in the MCU, right? It makes sense that his costume would be Iron Man armor, but with the classic DOom styling. How did they fuck it up?

>>213398365
Yep. The whole "scandal" was just some bullshit made up to give Disney an excuse to drop him.

>>213380895
They have algorythms saying that the more money you spend on the movie, the higher the revenue will be, and they think they can work a direct relation of it. Since they are brilliant filmakers, indeed the more power and money they use, the better the movie will be, won't it?

>>213378978
It's Jewish accounting anyway, totally made up numbers so they have tax write offs for "losses" but still making money overall - they wouldn't do any of this shit if big picture it didn't result in global Jewish control over the media and minds of their host populations.