Thread 213871843

Stop being so entitled chuds. Investing time and energy into a dead end franchise is your fault.

Who the fuck cared about this stupid shit in the first place?

>>213871843 (OP)
Leftists can demand to have black Targaryans but asking the fatass author to finish his books is too much entitlement for them?

>>213871843 (OP)
Elden Ring won

>>213871843 (OP)
Legally no, but almost nobody would ever invest time and money into a book series if they knew it would never get finished. Enjoying a book series includes the eventual payoff in the ending.

I play Elite Dangerous and Scorn. I know how Game of Thrones fans feel. That impatience grows into contempt early on. Eventually, it becomes a fusion of metaphysical rage and unmitigated apathy.

>>213871843 (OP)
>written by some overgrown tumblrina
Yes this i exactly how I envisage people who gurgling gurm's balls in 2025

I am honestly surprised he didn't try and make himself some ebin political martyr over this
>Nooo mayhaps RIGHT mayhaps WRONG of me but I will not give AMERIKKKA the Winds and Dream when this Nazis dictatorship is in power!

People bought the books expecting a complete story with an ending. You advertise it as having 7 books total and the fat fuck has only written 5. It's textbook definition of a fraud. There should be a lawsuit against him.

>>213871843 (OP)
He needs to come clean about the real reason he’s not finishing it. I think the reason is because he’s made his vast wealth and he’s enjoying it and the motivation is lost. Theres a saying for fighters once they’ve got the title belt and made their millions: “when you sleep in silk sheets it’s hard to wake up at 5am and go for a run”. That’s basically what’s happened here. He’s made it. He won. He got his title belt and made his fortune without having to finish his novels. What motivation is left? Why slave away at a computer when he can do virtually anything he wants? He only became super wealthy in the last act of his life, it’s not like he’s always been wealthy. He’s enjoying his riches and then he’ll die.

>>213872062
4 and 5 are weird to comprehend. Like I still don't buy the idea tha timeskip WOULDN'T have worked and there's a lot of shit that's fine but not necessary like Arianne's wayward plot being detailed and such. There's actually a fun act 2 somewhere in the bloated books that are feast and dance

>>213872087
Doesn't he want to enjoy his wealth whilst maintaining the image of a humble guy? Hence why he still lives in that shitty house in New Mexico

>>213871843 (OP)
>Uhm you arent just like OWED anything!

Who started this meme and why is it only parroted by socialists?

>>213871843 (OP)
Reminder this faggot convinced publishers to stop accepting multi-book novels. He fucked over the entire industry.

>>213872049
He could see the way the winds are blowing and that woke is dying, so he's playing the centrist side now. His last few blogposts have been calling out the left and the right.

He's a coward but he's not dumb.

>>213871843 (OP)
Every person who uses mystery box writing should get what they deserve joker style.

I understand dropping a creative project halfway but doing so because you have no idea what's in the mystery box you wrote about truly deserves a bullet to the head.

Why so drastic? You may ask. It's because that LOST style writing has destroyed cinema completely. Mystery box shit keeps people hooked more then cliff hangers so they force it not just into every show but every episode of every show for the past 20 years. Only like 1% of which had satisfying resolutions

>>213871843 (OP)
Stand back
Be humble
You don't deserve anything
You will own anything
And you will be happy

i'm surprised video game ceo's haven't embraced this grift yet
the consumer pays for chapters rather than a full story/game and you can dump the entire thing at any point because there is no expectation of a conclusion

>>213872111
The origins go back to the early 2010s were white woman wanted a perfect excuse for being vapid cunts and its spiraled out of control since then. Then these same people wonder why modern society is anti-social and nobody would bat an eye as they are beaten to death by the cultural diversity they've imported.

>>213872087
True but creatives don't create to get rich. 99% of creatives are dirty poor but they do it anyway because it's a calling. He is no doing it because he has no idea how to conclude all the hype he built up. Imagine Tolkien didn't know how frodo would destroy the ring then didn't put out the final book because of it.

>>213872169
They did and do

>>213872201
It is his fault at the end of the day but I can understand the heart going out of him over the show spoiling the broad strokes of the ending, albeit it's gonna be less retarded, i.e. Cersei wouldn't sit on the throne. Neither any of the lords nor the commons would ever accept such a thing lol - but the buck still stops with fatty

>>213871843 (OP)
cool.
and I don't owe him my respect.

>>213871897
This fucking cocksucker damaged Elden Ring forever.

>>213872088
There's nothing too difficult to comprehend. His half assed and undisciplined writing style caught up with him, and in denial he doubled down on it. Asoiaf's problems are really not as complex as people try to make them out to be.

>>213872260
Yeah, he could just hire 20 ghostwriters to do the his slow ass rewrites to find a plot outline he likes instead of doing it himself and save everyone a decade

>>213872122
qrd?

>>213871843 (OP)
What is he even doing with all the money he gets? after all like >>213872106 said he likes to pretend to be a poor common man, but we know he's making bank. He has no children either, only a wife.

George R. R. Martin owes me sex.

>>213872260
What was the 'noooo i couldn't do timeskip!!' logic again? It obviously works for the Stark children and Dany, you put the Kingsmoot shit in as a prologue and Euron, Stannis, Jamie and the Brienne in the Riverlands, Cersei's reign of retardation, etc. can all work as stuff that has been ongoing over the years. Tyrion can pop up and blindside the audience in an early Dany chapter as now her adviser and we can see how different and how much hate there is in him, the 'where do whores go' mess can be conveyed when he gets drunk in his spare time, etc. Oh you won't get ten chapters worth of Tyrion's odyssey across the east but sacrifices must be made. Opening a fucking Sam chapter to discover he's training at Oldtown and the people are growing scared over Euron is a hook and enticement in a way that his actual journey was not.

>>213872169
Vidya already found something worse: DLCs. Lower effort and yielding more money. With the case of Japan/ China/ Korea, they've also already got gacha mobage.

>>213872250
His main contribution was the dung eater who was actually a funny character. What didn't you like?

>>213871843 (OP)
Accept? I don't give any fuck about his books. The ending was already revealed and it sucked. Why are people waiting for novelization of this shit?

>>213872169
So telltale?

>>213872260
>Not complex
It has like 15 main characters, 20 different sub-plots, 60 macguffins, and 100 Chekhov guns. That's exactly why he can't finish it, retarded.

>>213872307
I just said the qrd. If you are an author and you go to a publisher saying "hey, I got this multi-book story, interested?", they'll tell you to fuck off because they don't want another Winds of Winter.
They want you to have one book, with an ending.

>>213872298
The HOTD blowup last shows he is still nowhere near accepting that

>>213871843 (OP)
He does, as long as he keeps pretending he's "writing it", he wouldn't owe me anything if he just admitted he gave up.

>>213872087
>He won.
He lost. He will be remembered as hack fraud and then forgotten, unlike John RR Tolkien, who will be remembered for centuries
>butmuh wattabout Aragorn's taxes
Yeah, what about them, George single R Martin?

>>213871843 (OP)
Lol so his legacy will be Daenerys bending over and diarrhea shitting herself as the culmination of A Dance with Dragons? Poetic considering how much of a faggot he is. Based.

>>213872368
That's not complexity retard, that's just a fucking mess. Most of those characters and subplots barely have naything to do with each other and are getting further away from each other.
This inability to tell the difference is precisely why gurm is the most overrated creator in modern times by a mile

>>213872331
A big problem is that different chapters take place at vastly different times. I think he could just have a time skip for some characters but not everyone, but then you kinda lose tension because as you read a chapter set in say year 1, you know nothing bad will happen to that character because someone mentioned them being alright in another chapter set in year 5. This is why the Brienne looking for Sansa chapters are so boring; we know where and how well she is already.

>>213872088
the real answer is that he had run out of ideas by the end of book 3.
books 4 and 5 are just procrastination in written form.
in terms of writing he's kicked the can down the road as much as he could and now book 6 actually requires that he write resolutions to a whole bunch of battles which he simply doesn't know how to do.

>>213872434
>It's not complex
>It's complex but bad!
Lmao it's like you are arguing just for arguing. Calm down.

>>213871843 (OP)
First Law is better anyway

>>213872169
You mean like world of warcraft?

>>213872324
Do you have a promissory note?

>>213872453
It was originally 3 books. He made the fatal decision to expand the work beyond his original plan. Feature creep. It was not originally designed to be 7. Once he got over the psychotic burst of energy that comes with going down this rabbit hole, he looked up at how far he'd have to go to finish it, and gassed out.

He will die the ultimate example of "don't do this" for future writers. Don't give in to that temptation. Bad idea.

>>213872331
Lack of discipline and planning. It could have been done, as you say, but it would have required gurm to properly map everything our instead of writing whatever came into his head, and he can't do that

>>213872087
It's the difference between being remembered and respected and forgotten and loathed. I guess if he doesn't give a shit about his legacy that's fair enough. I'd probably stop showing my face in public if it was my plan to live it up and never finish the books though.

>>213872434
>>213872470
I think the word you are looking for is "convoluted"

>>213871843 (OP)
And I don't owe George R.R. Martin my
>time
>money
>kindness
Though I think he only ever wanted one of these

>>213872550
Writing is hard. This is perhaps my issue with the fans, whom, as much as I exploit, I do quibble with. With these suggestions, they never bother ask: what about Sam's fat pink mast?

>>213872470
you tried to make some midwit gotcha argument and got torn to pieces. Do not post in my threads again you mewling cunt

>>213872600
Darkstar and that old septon's overly long anti-war rant in the Brienne chapters are such relics of the time.

>>213871843 (OP)
It's not the lack of book that pisses people off, it's how he swears up and down he's still writing it like a little kid insisting they're going to do their homework in 5 minutes.

I'd have infinitely more respect for him if, 5, heck even 10 years ago he said "Well, the series is over, it's not how I would have done it but writing the books now seems trivial and silly. The world is moving on, and so am I"

>>213872583
I'm sure he really loved the 'oh my science he's the american tolkien!' adoration in the early 2010s. I am not a huge fantasy reader, some of the stuff like Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn I only know of because of threads like these. But it does make me wonder how GRRM is perceived in the fantasy author "community" - like is he deemed a lazy but talented cunt or is even his actual work seen as grossly overrated and he got lucky?

>>213872630
Broken Man speech honestly just reminds me of picrel scene

>>213872630
>Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night
I raugh every time

>>213872678
He has 5% >>german<< blood, what did you expect?

>>213872678
>2015
>heh, it's riiiiiiiight around the corner!
>sometime in the early 2020s, COVID era I think
>heh, you can chain me to a desk if Winds is not out soon!!
And here we are after the stupid covid era in the middle of the 2020s and he's swanning around at conventions and giving us the 'mayhaps it will never be made' admissions without actually confirming for a fact

>>213872685
He's given a lot of leeway by virtue of his reputation still holding sway, and likely his connections. I'd imagine if you wanted a shot at your series getting lots of attention, or possibly a live action adaptation, calling George a fat, lazy faggot would be a bad idea.

>>213872685
Martin was always a good writer and well-respected among the writing community, he spent decades prior to ASOIAF as an award-winning but out-of-the-public-consciousness sort of dude. He was, if anything, underrated before ASOIAF got picked up by HBO, at which point he basically stopped being a writer and became an IP farm mogul in like George Lucas post Star Wars

>>213872701
>Darkstar and Daynes just like literal anime characters
>TV show casts a surly italian guy to play Arthur Dayne
I fucking hate HBO so much.

>>213872701
What the fuck was the thought process behind making Darkstar? For the life of me I can't recall anything to indicate a self awareness that this character is a lame tryhard faggot like a real warrior like Areo seeing him as a lame piece of shit.

>>213872685
He's a sci-fi nerd, not a fantasy guy, but some fantasy niggers, woman, and general hacks will suck his dick just for a chance to get famous and sell out. Deep down that's the desire of many. Only a few true heroes care about the art.

>>213872734
I think George just actually thinks Darkstar is cool. It's a shame we won't get to see anymore of him. I'd love to know how Darkstar fits into the story later. I'm sure it's hilarious.

>>213872729
The show annoyed me by not embracing the surreal aspects of the books, like I am convinced that if GoT was made to a much higher calibre the House of the Undying would have been perceived as a modern version of the Red Room from Twin Peaks. The whole dream with Dayne should always have remained that, a dream complete with shit like Eddard's companions actually being shadows because he's forgotten their faces.

>>213872087
He is working on tv shows, stage plays, videogame lore and all the other million projects, if he admits books 6-7 are not coming out nobody would care about all that.

Plus he wants to be remembered by fan as a great author who died just as he was about to finish his magnum opus and not as a fraud who basically gave up halfway.

>>213872763
Darkstar is like a parody of Elric of Melniboné (Euron too but that's more serious) and a mirror world Ned Stark, in that he's the only ambitious cunt in a house of goody two-shoes.

>>213872724
kek no, people were already saying he was lazy and would never finish before the show

>>213871843 (OP)
>Give him years worth of my attention to his books as shows as well as the money to purchase the books and own copies of DVD/Blu ray of the series
>He doesn't owe you an end to that story you invested that time and money into
Fucking lazy, fat, grifting cunt.

>>213872705
That is much less than Hitler though, who had 25% of (((german))) blood.

>>213872369
lol, it's the complete opposite. Publishers love having long series they can build a brand for and milk.

>>213872790
You should have realized you were consuming slop halfway, you only have yourself to blame

>>213872724
>he spent decades prior to ASOIAF as an award-winning but out-of-the-public-consciousness sort of dude.
He'd one book that was fairly critically acclaimed, a couple more that done alright, and one that had massively bombed. After that he'd had a pretty mediocre career in tv, writing series that got canned after one season.
And desite what people now try to claim, asoaif wasn't particularly noteworthy out of the 90's/00's wave of fantasy, either in critical acclaim or book sales

>>213872138
Yeah, I don't understand why people blame Lost for mystery boxes, Game of Thrones came out in 1996 and first chapter teases mysterious ice zombies beyond the wall and last is about how dragons were born beyond the sea, two major plotpoints that would only be relevant in very distant future because the rest of the book deals with Stark vs. Lannisters conflict.

I read that book in 2012 after finishing season 2 and I knew that it would be almost impossible to have a satisfying payoff to those two storylines, I mean in books 4 and 5 it was already obvious George doesn't want to actually finish main story at all because he kept introducing those new characters and their filler plots, meanwhile all old characters have bloated and slow chapters that move at snail's pace.

>>213872825
Nobodies gonna be able to milk them anymore though, now Rothfuss and gurm have made it clear there is akshually no obligation on the author to finish

>>213872908
It was a late 90's/00's thing. Loads of video games like Legacy of Kain and MGS did the same

>>213872895
>And desite what people now try to claim, asoaif wasn't particularly noteworthy out of the 90's/00's wave of fantasy, either in critical acclaim or book sales
Absolute nonsense. I can't speak for sales but in terms of fandom (I'll ignore critical appraisal because critics shat on all fantasy in those days), I was reading the series in the 2000s and it was already well established by then and well-known among genre fans. The only thing bigger that started in the 90s, by the early 2000s, would be Wheel of Time, or something more YA like His Dark Materials.

>>213872983
Whoops, I meant to say "early 2000s" for context.

>>213872908
And then you have guys like Robert Jordan that would just write 50 books rapid fire from anything that came up in his head and only stop by literal death.

>>213872983
I didn't say it was unknown I said it didn't particularly stand out. I don't know what the particular make up of the forums you browsed in the 00's was, but it was one fantasy series amongst others. it was in the second tier along with Williams, Rothfuss and Gemmel, all of whom were well in the shadow of Jordan and Pratchett.

>>213872945
Games with continious storyline were a breath of fresh air back then, plus I overall liked how Defiance/MGS 4 wrapped up the story

>>213873068
I appreciated them too, but it was messy

>>213873067
I dunno about your forums, anon, but it absolutely stood out in my part of the world (if only for starting/popularising grimdark fantasy). Most of those authors you mention started before the 90/00s new wave previously mentioned, so I wouldn't count them in the same bracket as ASOIAF. Yeah, Jordan and WoT stood out more. Rothfuss? NotW was popular but it wasn't ASOIAF tier around here.

>>213872062
>People bought the books expecting a complete story with an ending.
Well that's their problem, legally you get a book you paid for, that's it. No refunds.

>>213872403
more like george "hard r" martin

>>213873126
contract law is not the sole form of obligation in society, midwit.

>>213871884
yup

>>213871843 (OP)
Why is he so racist?

>>213871884
Nice reactionary comment chud. Show me these mass demands for nigaryens? The woke showrunners themselves decided on it

>>213872368
This isn’t it. He lost his passion because everyone hated mad queen Dany and Bran as king

>>213872369
kek kind of reminds me of Chris Carter, no one wanted to deal with him post X-Files unless he had a super detailed planned show bible with him. But his case didn't change the industry, seeing how many mystery box and pulling shit out of the showrunner's ass shows that are still around.

>>213873251
are you serious? there were plenty of articles and shit about the original series being too white
black targs was a compromise to seething wokefags

>>213873270
He probably lost his passion when he realized he would have to write like at least 5 more books to tie up all the plotlines and last time he took 6 years on Bran alone.

>>213871843 (OP)
I don't think he owes humanity, but wouldn't he make fucking trillions if he released the book?

He is still writing, right? Unless he truly doesn't care about money and writes for the thrill of it, why dance around shit?

>>213871884
>>213872062
Just move on with it. Accept it will never be made.
People like you are the cause we get so many shitty remakes and Joker 2.

>>213873182
>obligation in society
>muh social contract
Spare me the spooks, i didn't sign shit.

>>213871843 (OP)
so sick of this fat nigger not releasing the last 2 books in a genuinely great fantasy epic. if anyone can pull off a wrap up of the current loose ends as satisfying as the lesser feat in Storm of Swords deserves some kind of writing award for sure
the Theon/Winterfell saga in Book5/6 is so lit-kino

>>213873357
He sold 10 million Asoif books between 1996 and 2011 and another 90 since, he is also old and childless, he doesn't need money or working on books he clearly has no interest in

>>213873357
Because he doesn't want to do it anymore, and because he knows he's out of time. Even if he dropped Winds tomorrow, he'd need to bust his ass to get Dream out within 5-10 years. He's out of time. He is going to die soon.

JUST GET A GHOST WRITER THEN. FUCKING DO IT YOU GREEDY FAT STUPID OLD FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT. STUPID FUCKER

>>213872788
What a cursed fucking post, if not for the show he would have already finished the series, I doubt his ending would be too well-received, but probably better than show's

>>213871843 (OP)
That fat faggot is the one who promised two more books, we didn’t just conjure up that expectation out of the air.

>>213873480
But what if ghost writer actually finishes book 6 and George has to release it? It's not a coincedence that his last book ended on a bunch of cliff-hangers

>>213873480
get the ghostwriter from nathan for you

>>213871843 (OP)
the last two books were shit anyway, why do people even want whatever garbage he'd publish now?

>>213873480
yeah like elio and linda would happily assist him, or prestonjacobs can give up his government job to help write winds

Brandon Sanderson fans are scum for wanting GRRM to give up..

>>213874000
sanderchads know he wouldn't touch that garbage, that's an unrelated troll

>>213874000
George will never give up and admit he is not writing ze books

>>213871884
Ah here comes the paid petukh to start some bullshit politics argument out of nowhere. Gotta keep these incels riled up and radicalized.

>>213872198
Is that when your single mom started ignoring you, tubby? What a fucking wreck you are.

>>213873126
>Legally
This is the problem with Ameirica, it is jewish to its core, its institutions and its people, soaked in judaism

>>213873480
preston jacob's fanfiction is the best you're gonna get.
I hope you like his autistic theories.

>>213874221
There isn't and never was a country in the world where you're entitled to a continuation of a book you bought, pajeet.

>>213871884
Nobody demanded to have black Targaryen’s and that was the most retarded choice of all time
t. Lefty

>>213874234
Nobody is suing George to get him to write the books, retard. We're saying George is a piece of shit for not writing them, and you're saying "heh, well LEGALLY, by the letter of the LAW, he's not required to write them". Because you are so steeped in the ways of the hebrew that you can't separate these different forms of criticism.

>>213872774
This

Now there's always going to be a huge percent of the fanbase who will argue for him post mortem saying "but he was going to finish it! such a shame he passed beforehand!"

>>213874264
You said retarded, I'm telling the egghatch Discord on you.

>>213872714
If being locked in his house with covid being a death sentence for a man his age/size wasn't enough motivation to write the fucking book, nothing will be.

>>213872087
That and his story was royally fucked by the show. I could imagine it would be hard to move forward when the story ry was already finished by someone else so incompetently.

ASOIAF is so good that even extremely minor characters like Yoren and Ser Ilyn Payne make you feel sympathetic to them

>>213871843 (OP)
why would he finish now? he has his money. nevermind the endless promises to fans. the big mystery was Jon Snow's parentage and everyone figured it out already. he has nothing left to say.
i feel bad for anyone who got really into the books, they must feel robbed. i just watch the shows.
for all the flaws of the later seasons, S1 GoT is still excellent

>>213873488
Imagine being this dense. The fact that there were plenty of people in 2010 who felt he would never finish ought to telly you something anon

"Owe" is the wrong word, he's just being very rude and disrespectful to the people who helped give him what he has.

House of the Dragon is fucking shit by the way.

>>213874264
good thing there are no black Targaryens, only black Velaryons

>>213872169
So HL2 episodes?

George deserves scorn. If he doesn't owe his readership an ending, he isn't owed any respect from people.
I hope this is the start of a trend of disrespect at his public appearances.

>>213874000
what makes people seethe so much over this author? he just writes cheesy anime books about magic coins and dudes powering up in magical video game armor. boring and lame at most, but not offensive

>>213874283
Poor George died at 85 two weeks before finishing books 6 & 7 RIP

>>213871926
>almost nobody would ever invest time and money into a book series if they knew it would never get finished.

Yeah no one cares about The Canterbury Tales because Chaucer left them unfinished.

>>213874351
Judging from the show (and I don't see why we can't do that) he has no idea what to actually do with the Jon reveal. This why I'm not interested in the books anyway, ultimately it's just a series of meaningless twists and reveals that never actually go anywhere.

>>213874466
based digits of truth

>>213874422
In may 2015 he said he expects to finish book 6 by october, you don't make that kind of promise for no reason, sadly he missed the deadline and then one-two punch of show overtaking books in 2016 and everybody hating show's ending killed his desire to write anything

>>213874478
I'm seeing it now with the endless amount of shit-slinging between Gunntards and Snydertards, some people just love making up enemies for inane reasons.

>>213874517
Are you honestly so retarded you don't understand the difference?

>>213874530
it's pretty clear the R + L = J, it's so well accepted online the show went with it. it makes sense, it feels properly dramatic and interesting, unfortunately for the fat fuck he telegraphed it too well and people caught on. it would have made for a hell of a twist.

>>213874549
The reason was that 2015 was that the point the books were overtaking him, and he was lying to make himself look good, as usual. He hadn't written shit dumbass.

>>213871843 (OP)
Can't ai just finish the books

>>213874274
>feeling entitled to more than you paid for
You sounds pretty jewish to me, Schlomo.

>>213874618
eventually yes but they cannot do long form fiction reliably right now.

>>>/ws/5953942

at least he didn't live to see it end this way bros

>>213874563
>it would have made for a hell of a twist.
I mean at this stage, it really wouln't. Jon has so little to do with the rest of the plot the twist has kind of become irrelevant. If it was revealed at the start of TWOW, it would just be a "Oh guess me and Maester Aemon were related then, gee wizz'

>>213874563
it's impossible to have a twist like that in the modern world with the internet unless you make it so subtle that it's equally arguably out of nowhere.
also I don't think he thought it was that difficult to figure out considering he asked DnD to figure it out.

>>213874635
>>>/wsg/5953942

>>213874643
he matters to the plot if he becomes le heckin cool dragonrider like his sexy aunt
only saving grace from that awful last seasons was dragon porn and they learned their lesson, HotD is kino.

>>213874517
>The Canterbury Tales
Apples and oranges. That's an anthology of standalone short stories stemming from the same prologue, it's perfectly readable as it is and anyway its real value is that it's the first work written in more or less "modern" English and gives a unique look at how people lived in that years.

>>213872049
ngl, i can wait if it will surely be released after Trump but jews shifted the narrative to the right to have recruits for their upcoming war so the next president will be a republican

>>213874619
I haven't mentioned money even once, Chaim.

>>213871884
Yeah, because we're based and winning. I could care less about your shitty franchise.
t. Lefty

>>213871843 (OP)
He doesn't owe shit, but he's still an asshole for refusing to finish his own series just because he's too fucking lazy now.

>>213873251
>chud
>nigaryens
stop larping you fucking fatass

You should have know by now that he has the same woke ethic as Chris Chan. Incest obsession too.

>>213871843 (OP)
Fat "people" are truly despicable.

>>213874563
I think you'd have to be pretty dense not to figure it out from the first book.
"Promise me Ned"

>>213872122
He’s only half the problem.
The other half is that the publishing industry is cripplingly corrupt, and their insistence on hiring various nepotism/political authors means that they don’t have the money for anyone actually talented.
The majority of money from book sales comes from legacy authors, while the new hires lose them boatloads every year. They don’t want to hire on some guy with a decent idea that might need a bit of work on editing, because that would divert funds from their attempts to find the next legbeard porn churner and/or someone to gift wrap a Hugo to.

I did this?

>>213875199
nobody cares about the state of publishing because hardly anyone even fucking reads any more, but it's really so fucked

>>213872788
Where's that from? I thought 4plebs only went back to 2015

>>213875199
>problem, science fiction/fantasy enjoyer?

>>213875306
No, child, there is no problem, for my sheer talent can get me a six figure contract whenever I wish.
Enjoy seeing a true successor to Adams.

He doesn't owe us shit just like we don't owe him time or money

>>213871843 (OP)
Show ending was his ending all along

We're never getting the books because he's eternally butthurt everyone hated the ending

Not that he'll ever admit to this because he's a lying FAT FUCK

>>213875607
I thought it was pretty cowardly the way GRRM let pic related take all the heat for the ending. He could've stepped in and told everyone that this was the ending he envisioned for the books and that he'd instructed them to end the show this way. Instead he never once said a word and still hasn't.

And props to David Benioff and D. B. Weiss for not just throwing the fat bastard under the bus. I probably would have. They copped an awful lot of shit and they never ratted on him.

>>213871843 (OP)
no Amanda, he does.

>>213875767
They kind of forgot he told them the ending

>>213875767
To be fair, they'd be literally whos without GRRM

>>213872062
Sadly, he's more ham than man now. I don't think you can sue ham.

>>213871843 (OP)
George doesn't owe us shit. So what? We don't owe him any either. If he wants to write books that don't go anywhere and are never finished, that's on him. If that's what he wants for his legacy let him have it. Who gives a fuck? He might like wasting everybody's time and money.

>>213872895
>asoaif wasn't particularly noteworthy out of the 90's/00's wave of fantasy, either in critical acclaim or book sales
I don't know why you would even make this claim when literally everybody knew and talked about the series during its height.

>>213872201
He lost the calling.

>>213872312
>What is he even doing with all the money he gets?
>He has...a wife
Answered your own question.

>>213871843 (OP)
This but unironically. He's aimless and his ending would have been shit anyway.

>>213871843 (OP)
He must be held responsible for his crimes against literature

>Leftists worship and defend a rich old man who doesn't honor his promises or commitments
Don't they realize people like GRRM are everything their ideology stands against?

>>213872623
You're my cumrag. Don't let me show them how.

>>213876232
The reverse is true, when you take show context into account.

>>213875199
>>213875263
all the interesting writers moved to video games, they're a much more interesting medium than the novel

>>213876365
Most of the authors who used to try for traditional publishing have moved onto various independent projects. Some self publish, some write web novels, some make VNs, but ultimately the consequence is that they just don’t bother trying for the traditional route because it’s utterly pointless.
It’s also lead to a slightly more organic version of the Del Ray years within self publishing, where instead of being forced into being copycats because one dipshit thinks shitting out shallow Tolkien copies is the only way to sell fantasy, it’s instead because consumers are fucking sick of anything remotely resembling what publishers are churning out. I just wish part of what they were sick of was low quality, but alas.

I only finished the first 3 books but I figured the ending would be the White walkers killing them all because they were too busy squabbling to mount a united defense.
It'd be a good ending with a good message.
I've been working on a story about half inch tall people living in the grass and trees in a highway cloverleaf who end up destroying each other in war because their council argued over how to deal with a child who found one of their settlements while playing in the woods. Like a cross between game of thrones and a Coen Brothers movie. imho that's how Game of Thrones should end, borderline apocalypse.

>>213874000
Absolute fucking gigachad.

>>213872790
i've only invested time because i picked it up witb the show and anons were saying he'd never finish it and i'm still super fucking angry

>>213874221
>This is the problem with Ameirica
Problem with 'Ameirica' is that they let subhuman goatfuckers like you to speak on their internet.

>>213873940
>give up his government job
he should be able to take an unpaid leave.

>>213874549
>In may 2015 he said he expects to finish book 6 by october
This is true, he did, but then Drumpfht won the election and broke this retard. I think he deleted his blogpost from when it happened, because it was just incoherent screeching.

>>213871843 (OP)
Meanwhile Patrick Rothfuss hasn't done shit either in 14 years

>>213874618
>Can't ai just finish the books
No, because AI would have tendency to write Heroes Journey type of story and hecking chungus subverserino GRM would get aneurysm out of pure rage.

>>213874800
No, because you'd want people to labor for free.

>>213872331
In the books Daenerys is still across the sea, and 5 years behind everyone else. The time skip issue is how does he get Daenerys caught up and across the sea with all the other characters and explain what she did in Esso's for 5 years.

>>213875199
>insistence on hiring various nepotism/political authors means that they don’t have the money for anyone actually talented

Yes, exactly someone like GRM. Seems like fucks like him are the entire problem. He personally got companies to stop publishing other authors .

>>213876241
They do. They don't care. Earlier this year their breadtube scene collapsed and nearly every single on of their talking heads were in troubles with IRS.

>>213872532
I have a Sizzlers coupon.

>>213871843 (OP)
I've been holding out on starting the series till he finishes it. It seems I'm not in a rush.

>>213872312
He bought a movie theater and a railway. He contributed to the research program that created a dna clone hybrid wolf/direwolf. He probably spends his money on other stuff. These are off the top of my head. It's up to him what he does with it.

>>213874618
Why AI? Just get Sanderson to do it.

>>213877720
AI would be cheaper and do a better job

>>213877720
You morons just got Sanderson stuck in your head because he cranks out books. That doesn't mean he's a perfect fit to this style of story. He's literally said this type of story is not his thing and he's not interested. So leave him alone and find someone else to champion.

>>213875767
they deleted and changed shit before the ending.
it's just that people kept hoping for the ending to tie everything together and make it not stupid.

>He doesn't owe you any of you anything. He's already given you enough.
>Also, don't you dare criticize him for giving up on his flagship series.

>>213871843 (OP)
He doesn't owe anything to his fans, but I will still call him a lazy obese fuck for not finishing his work.

>>213877902
They deleted and changed shit before the ending, but the major plot resolutions like Mad Queen, Battle of Winterfell, Bran becoming King etc were all 100% Martin's

D&D changed, delted and merged characters or plotlines, but they never changed plot twists and major resolutions

>>213872138
>>213872908
>>213872945
>>213872994
Niggers, it was pioneered by TWIN PEAKS.

>>213878127
>but they never changed plot twists and major resolutions
giving the Jeyne Poole storyline to Sansa is already pretty fucking bad.
Brienne saving Sansa and killing Stannis is also pretty fucking bad.

>>213871884
>Leftists

>>213878127
No. GRRM has already said that it's not his ending. It's literally completely impossible to in any way make it his ending since it wouldn't make any sense. Just because 10% is similar doesn't make it 100% the same, but only buffoons like you think it does.

>>213878606
He conveniently said that after the backlash to the shows ending.

>>213871843 (OP)
>Doesn't owe us winds of winter
Wonder how well his book series would have sold if he wrote on the back
>book 1 of 5, of 7
>will stop writing at the end of the first arc, leaving the series unfinished
>look forward to the next installment!
I imagine there wouldn't have been a game of thrones or much success. His patrons come at the expectation that he'll finish his work so they support him financially that he might be able to do so, once he renegs on his end of the deal, there is no legal obligation, but there is a moral one, but george doesn't care about that, he lacks honor or morality, well then there'll likely be longstanding consequences for other authors who aren't george and want to start their own series, that isn't just a 1 and done standalone book, because now there's a large customerbase that has not only already been burned but have been taught you can go fuck yourself if you expect a conclusion to the story you've been supporting for a decade or two, and you're selfish for expecting it, authors don't owe you shit.

That's fine if authors don't owe their patrons shit, just be prepared for the consequences of that mindset. But I doubt george cares about that, he seems like a deeply selfish person.

>>213871990
I'm 99 percent sure that for a lot of these people they don't give a fuck about the situation at all, and just like the feeling of morally grandstanding over others. They're just getting off to feeling better than anyone who's mad and highroading them.

>>213871884
>black Targaryans

When did they have black Targaryans?

>>213872734
George was surprised by the popularity of Oberyn Martell, and Darkstar was his attempt at recapturing it. Which is comical, they're nothing alike.

>>213871843 (OP)
>a-achually no one owes you anything
Every human being is owed the truth.
Gurm the worm has spent the last 14 years lying about winds being just around the corners.
Naturally people don't take kindly to continually being lied to.

>>213871884
It's because they sense it's a sensible action. They can detect that it makes sense and has God's logic in it so it instantly triggers their programming to lash out.

>>213871843 (OP)
>even newsrags are admitting he's deliberately not finishing the last two books
glad we got that straight

>>213878606
>No. GRRM has already said that it's not his ending
When? In the aftermath of the show I just remember him saying the route to the ending would be different but the line from HBO and D&D was he'd told them in broad strokes how the books would end

>>213878398
Yes. You progressive faggot.

I have never even started the book series because I know it will never be finished and I'm not going to start myself down a path that will never be concluded.

>>213871843 (OP)
>muh content slurping
Fuck off. Nobody put a gun to your head to read the books. Just read something else.

>>213880461
I did. Now I just want to laugh at this fat bastard.

>>213877398
How did that happen all at once?

>>213871843 (OP)
He does, in fact, owe the people who have made him into a millionaire with their hard earned money the finished story.

>>213871843 (OP)
Why would anyone give a shit at this point? He obviously advised the writers on the TV show and that turned out to be shit so who cares? He should be treated as the hack that he is and ignored.

>>213871990

>Expertise: The Hunger Games, Mistborn, Game of Thrones

Wow, way to not even pretend to be into something remotely niche or retro. I'd have 200% more respect for her if she was also into Prydain, The Last Unicorn, Sabriel, Song of the Lioness, or -something- that isn't trendy slop.

>>213871843 (OP)
>Boomer Narrative Ponzi Scheme

He isn't stupid, he's a standard-bearer for a unique generational evil. The world will burn if everyone Gen X and younger doesn't start rebuilding right now in every sphere of social, economic, political and artistic life. OKAY BOOMER has become SHUT THE FUCK UP UNC,and it's a good thing.

>>213872705
What do you think those angle brackets mean? Are you trying to do the parenthetical arrows? You're a fucking retard apparently

>>213874234
Yeah that's literally the point that was being made
>>213874800
Then how would people be entitled to something that they didn't pay for? Fucking retard

>doesn't write
>is a better writer than Sanderson
Fantasy is fucked

>>213881608
Holy shit, people like you are genuinely frightening. I don't know if you're a troll or if you really believe this, but it's not good

>>213872106
>>213872312
whats fucking wrong with that. if i got 50 billion dollars i wouldnt suddenly move into a mansion. "muh parents" lived in a mansion and it fucking sucked unless you paid maids and gardeners to be at the place 24/7, and that was fucking annoying. at any point in time, there might be some fucking random in your house cleaning the windows because yeah the views nice because you built the place with 150 fucking 9 foot tall windows instead of walls, but when i used to clean them for spending money as a kid, by the time i finished them, you just literally started again because it took so much fucking time AGGGGHHHHH.

seriously if i had fuck you money, it would go into a nice computer, a heated bathroom floor, and a hot water system that was 5 times too fucking big so i could accidentally leave the shower running on hot all night passed out drunk in the bathroom, wake up and theres STILL hot water

George is the Trump of literature.

He mind broke ALL of you fuckers.

>>213871843 (OP)
>fat fuck promise and hype his next book over a decade or so
>"ackchyually he doesn't owe you the book, chud!"
Well, technically she's right but anyone who isn't a functional retard understand why people is mad at him.

>>213883341
Explains why so many troons are kvetching and pretending they never liked him. People will wait for years for just a pittance from him, but he's a bad author?

Lol

>>213883341
You're fat as fuck George.

>>213884043
The fat brownoid who yelled at him the other day was a tranny too; it’s pretty damning how bad they make themselves look

>>213878606
Sup George
Your ending fucking sucked by the way

>>213877299
I don't think anyone want's to read another of his novels after the second.

>>213884130
No he’s right
That fat thing that yelled at him was a ftm

>>213878606
>It's literally completely impossible to in any way make it his ending since it wouldn't make any sense.
Jesus. Calm down fatty.

>>213878606
You're fat as fuck George.

>>213884043
Trannies always pick the wrong factions. Reminds me of all the trannies who became atheists because they thought the science was on their side, when it never was.

>>213884213
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
this is amazing

Either way, I’m gonna keep harassing the fat fuck because I want to. He’s not entitled to respect

>>213884253
And you were never entitled to enjoy his books, you fucking queer ass bitch. You’d be raped so fucking fast in my house.

If I lived near Santa Fe I would 100% bully the fuck out of him and vandalize his shit

If you start something finish it.

>>213883341
Based. People who live rent free in the brains of millions, billions, are cool in my books.

>>213884273
We’ll see. I have your IP and location. I’ll see you soon

>>213884326
Admitting you’re a stalker? I could report you so fucking fast, maggot. Thankfully I’m no tattle tale, and I have cameras, so get ready to get posted on to YouTube.

>>213884297
>Some time later

I really hope he doesn't finish it, even more overrated garbage than LOTR SHIT.
Fantasy has always been for kids and brainlets.

lol fat

>>213871884
It's leftists demanding Martin put something out that is not ready yet. Everyone here is delusional, you'll all buy it the moment it's out and go right back to crying between seething about how good it is.

>>213878290
>>213878606
AFFC and ADWD are dogshit books.

>>213871843 (OP)
he got scared at people hating the ending of the show because that's the ending of the books

>>213871926
I was told to just read the first 3 and pretend it ended there.

>>213887326
They are, but it took the series to tank for people to start accepting it. Fucking fangays m8

I spent some time during the last seven years saying to people that at least Winds, at least that, we'll surely abso-fucking-lutely get it, that there was no doubt about that and we should only mourn Dreams. Look who's the clown now. Fucking hell

Are there any books in this same vein as got that are actually finished? I enjoy the gritty medieval setting?

>>213872087
He had a ds9 muse but didnt want to dieso he cut her off after book 3, gave it a try on his own and then realized he just wrote himself into a hole and gave up

>>213878606
dany's madness is already hinted in dance of dragons. dany burning king's landing is his ending

>>213888098
>dany's madness is already hinted
she's been insane since the first book, dumbass, jesus christ

>>213887912
I think we will gets Winds, whether or not Gurm likes it.
Probably not Spring tho

>Finished back in 2011, had satisfying thematically complete ending, was a higher literary achievement with its combination of postmodern technique and timeless fantasy appeal, had coherent political message (socialism will win in the end) vs GRRM's jaded boomer hippie complaining
ASoIaF KNEELS to Malazan

>>213887992
Gormenghast, but it's much better.

>>213888193
Based anon. Thanks.

>>213887992
Yes literally all the sword and sorcery slop from the 50s to the 80s. George killed a goody-goody and wrote graphic sex and suddenly he's a genius.

Dany insane and dead, Bran (really Bloodraven) sitting the throne, Jon king beyond the wall, Sansa lord of Winterfell, Arya a faceless man, Tyrion back to Hand is actually a good ending, the show's issue was bad actors unable to sell anything and poor production.

>>213879945
giwtwm

This was fun

>>213871884
one is asking for representation so PoC can finally see themselves in a character, the other is chuds being spoiled babies

>>213887992
I'd recommend Hobb (complete but kind of fell off towards the end, and there are multiple places you can stop and call it a complete ending before that), and JV Jones (incomplete but at least she just had a breakdown or something instead of pretending to be writing it, and it leaves off in an okay place)

>>213888187
He allegedly made arrangements to have no one finishing his novels, so we'll see.

>>213888360
So was this

This as well

>>213888414
Unlike Tolkien he doesn't have a son that loves him so his heir(s) will sell the rights for that garbage in days.

Lol

>>213888414
he's really set on that legacy, huh?

Let's get David Gerrold to finish ASOIAF and George to finish War Against the Chtorr.

Preston theories are more interesting than the actual books anyway

>>213872062
>I won

>>213888337
A more kino ending would be the land covered in snow, no throne at all, and everyone dead except for a few humans, Jon being one of the few

>>213884213
>Dawkins
>science
good one, anon. i don't support trannies. i don't hate them either. i pity them because i believe they are tricked by the system.

>>213871843 (OP)
I don't owe him my respect or admiration either.

He kind of had this coming. He was a bit of a dick at the panel.
>George was telling a story of how smart a child he was that he knew Jesus didn't exist at 8 years old and how stupid Christians are. This was obviously directed at Sanderson who stared down and his face got a little red. I don't blame him
>Brandon got asked a question about hard magic systems and how he creates them. George jumped in and went on a ten minute rant about how hard magic systems are dumb, he hates them, no one wants to read them, and you're a questionable author if you write them.
>Brandon's successful business (Dragonsteel) and kickstarters got brought up a couple times and George got all worked up. Said authors shouldn't be expected to do social media or do anything other than write. And also said some things like "just because someone does a kickstarter doesn't mean they can write or that the book is worth reading"
>George directly asked Brandon, "you're Mormon right? How do you deal with that?" And it came across with a really blunt and snarky tone. This was a few questions after he said Christians were stupid and Jesus was make believe.

>>213888419
>>213888462
what am i looking at?

>>213890179
First pic has a battery pack and a wire in it. Not sure about the second, something visible that def shouldn't be there.
Generally speaking, shows how sloppy they were getting as the end came.

>>213889465
Yeah, the legacy of a lazy cunt.

>>213890179
>>213890253
Second is a water bottle.

>>213890147
sound fun. is there a link with proper audio?
i only found one video with phone recording and the channel is run by a tranny who wanted to be Visenya.

>>213890572
Not that I know of unfortunately. But yeah I mean I'm not a Sanderson fan by any means, but that was just plain wrong. Sanderson seems like a pretty good dude, doesn't deserve to be attacked like that.

>>213890632
>Sanderson seems like a pretty good dude
He's a mormon. And fat.

>>213890758
gurm is fatter and can't write anything, even slop

>>213871843 (OP)
We're not asking him to make the next Return of the King, just make something better than the TV show finale.

He owes me 2 books and women owe me sex

>>213890790
>>213890758
gurm doesn't even in believe in Jesus Christ

>>213890847
>just make something better than the TV show finale
He can't because he killed all the interesting characters so he cornered himself and now only have the shitty TV finale could make sense.

>>213874478
Sanderson has a particular style, he's a decent advocate for that style in his lectures, and his lectures are available for free on youtube, so the
>muh soul, muh mystery, muh ineffable
crustbusters *hate* him because a lot of the kids being taught writing in recent years who saw his stuff and thought
>Huh, actually you know what, it is good if the things I write make sense and function in a consistent way, rather than me just using the supposed unknowability of magic as an excuse to deus ex machina my characters out of the situations my own shitty writing got them into!
are now also writing books with functional, defined, comprehensible systems of magic and anything that isn't
>I sprinkle the baddie with five fairy-farts and say a poignant poem I just made up, Evil Badman is defeated!
drives them into a seething rage.

>>213873120
I was arguing with a guy on metalreviews.com with the screenname Tyrion back in 2006 and talking with hobby writers on the HBO Rome forum in 2007 who were obsessed with the idea of A Song of Ice and Fire being adapted. I spent no time in the genre forums but the book series was creeping into other sections of the internet.

>>213871843 (OP)
People mocking the end of the series clearly affected his confidence and he changed his plans, probably losing entire chapters

>>213890117
The April 2025 update is so comical after constant 'this or next year' updates. And here I thought the hilarity of the May 2019 update would never be topped.

>>213871843 (OP)
He should stop eating so many burgers, what a fat ass

>>213892477
Also most folks here probably don't remember it, but both Feast of Crows and Dance of Dragons were absolutely hated by fans. I think he also resented all the hate both those books got and thats why he never finished book 6 yet. He got saved by the normies coming in from HBO GoT series, but he was defending both of those books, particularly Feast of Crows for years before the show came out. I think Feast of Crows was at 3 stars and Dance of Dragons was at like 2.5 stars on Amazon after they were released, but looking now you would never know that because the normies flooded all the reviews with OMG 5 stars so good!

>>213873488
>t, if not for the show he would have already finished the series,

Bullshit, fatass was already years late on the books prior to the show airing. People use the HBO show as an excuse, in reality it had no impact on his lack of output.

>>213893747
Oh and btw ADWD is not a finished book, it doesn't include the titular "dance of dragons" because all the final battles were cut for time because fatass wanted to publish a book to coincide with season 1.

So really the HBO show is the only reason we have five books at all, without it we'd still be stuck with four books and people would still be asking for A Dance With Dragons instead of Winds of Winter.

>>213871843 (OP)
What part of "when the New York Jets makes the playoffs" don't you guys understand?
His books literally only come out when NY football teams are doing well (he's a fraud who also dick rides the Giants when they win, despite bring a Jets fan)

>>213871843 (OP)
He owes me a massive heart attack.

>>213874478
Because he is hailed as some sort of god writer and he is not that good. Can't believe some people treat mistborn of all fucking books like it was the holy grail. The first book is ok and it's all downhill from there.
>but muh consistency

>>213872087
I don't think this is the case, what I think is that Martin aged, and as he aged the thematic problems with the story became irreconcilable.

Consider that when Martin started this he was, if not young, at least closer to birth than to death, closer to the vital energy of rebellion that possessed him when he was young. Writing a subversion of all fantasy mytho-poetic tropes made sense, he was sticking it to the man, as it were, by creating a story which defied the morality, the idealism, the romanticism of older works.

Nobility is false, all knights are either bastards or fools. The gods are false or evil, there is no divine providence, only doom, ruthlessness and power are the triumphant qualities in man, etc etc etc blah blah blah. Great you have what amounts to violent medieval soul-pornography, but what happens when you get older, and you're graying and nearing the end of your life, and THIS is the only thing you have to show for it?

The monument he has chosen to make for his life is one that essentially screams nihilism and despair. And now rather than a young cynic attacking the foundation of his oppressors, HE is one of the elderly, and the roots that have been cloven are supposed to feed his soul, give him hope and solance.

He cannot finish the book because to finish it would be to face the fact that he spent his entire life subverting beauty and hope, and as he grows old, he has realized that beauty and hope are the only things that can bring peace to an old man. He is tired of being bitter and exhausted, tired of being spiteful and degenerate, and he cannot fix what he has done--he can only stop, stop and cause no more damage.

>>213874478
He's not the best writer but I seriously respect the guys work ethic. He output is ridiculous. People compare him to Jorge because they know that if Sanderson is writing, you're at least guaranteed an ending.

>>213874478
Sanderson is controversial because he is a very prolific writer but he has surrounded himself with a feedback bubble made up entirely of braindead redditors.

>>213872895
ASOIAF was notable in the late 90s and 00s for being one of the few fantasy book series that upper middle class professionals would admit to reading. Being modestly popular among non-nerds is probably a big reason it got picked up for a big budget tv adaptation.

>>213884667
>implying /tv/ posters are that thin