Thread 712345250

Morrowind chads won

>>712345250 (OP)
Why would anyone willingly subject themselves to this torture?

>>712345250 (OP)
buy an ad faggot

>>712345250 (OP)
Honestly the choices they've made are very disappointing. The newer content is good, but they've chosen to work on the absolute worst areas outside of Morrowind. I'd MUCH rather they go into Valenwood, Eleweyr, or Summerset. Instead they picked the fucking human provinces that we've already had games in.

>>712345250 (OP)
I only want to visit Tear

>>712345250 (OP)
Did they deToddify Cyrodiil? If no then I sleep.

>>712351409
>Did they deToddify Cyrodiil?
Yes

>>712346462
file an application faggot

>>712351784
What about Skyrim?

>>712353683
Yep

When

>>712345250 (OP)
Was there some announcement?
Markarth when?

hey there sport. what's the word?

>>712354732
Mod?

>>712354829
Of Eggs and Dwarves

>>712354829
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/51171

>>712354106
Full thing? Not for a long time. We're only getting a small sliver of it initially.

If only the gameplay wasn't shit

>>712355258
low IQ

>>712355180
Really? it doesn't seem like it's that big.

>>712349827
summerset iles needs a mainline game so badly

>>712355365
I have a 110 IQ, professionally WAIS-IV tested by a team of psychiatric professionals.
As your mental superior I can confirm that Morrowind does in fact, have bad gameplay.

>>712345250 (OP)
Imagine if Bethesda actually worked on something like this instead of raping Fallout and making every successive TES game worse and worse. Only to top it off with the giant mistake that was Starfield.

I thought there was some cyrodil too, hiw many mods do i need for the most of Tamriel?
>Tamriel Rebuilt
>SHOTN
>project Cyodil
Thats it?

>>712355992
Those are all under the same project banner and share assets and devs.

>>712355659
it has the most gameplay freedom

>>712355479
Full thing would be 3-4 Solstheims in size but way more complex + they need to bascially create an entirely seperate culture. It's also more of a side thing with less devs than other provinces so not really a big priority.

>>712355980
TES6 will probably have settlements and building like all their recent games so you can pretend and build the other areas of Tamriel.

>>712345250 (OP)
>Morrowind is already too large and filled with boring fetch quests for 99% of people to finish.
>LETS ADD A FUCKTON MORE TERRITORY AND THE SAME BORING FETCH QUESTS
I don't see the point. Don't they have anything better to do?

>>712355980
They don't have the talent to do something like this.
Also, it's obviously not profitable.

>>712356369
You've got three things that seem to be around the size of the Telvannis island, that's not too big.

>>712353990
it should be colder

>>712356604
Why?

>>712345250 (OP)
>stros m’kai
Link to this mod? Google gives me some old one from like 2018

>>712356509
Telvannis is the size of solstheim
Solstheim is kind of small

>>712356509
That's just the first planned expansion for the Padomaic Isles (Temaris). Full thing is this >>712354106 which is what I thought you were talking about. Temaris is indeed p smoll and could well be released soon tm.

where do i start the morag tong and thieves guild stuff in TR? got stuck where I can't progress in vardenfell anymore but there weren't any breadcrumbs leading to the mainland guys like I would've hoped

>>712357126
I get a feeling that since it's only a name, it's not out yet

>>712357126
Everything written in yellow text is in development
It was supposed to be part of the Cyrodiil release but they moved it to Hammerfell

>>712357365
the bigger cities usually have thieves guild chapters, ask around.

what the FUCK

>>712357978
>he didn't know
And now you do.

>>712357978
running errands for used up roasties.... The essence of Morrowind...

>>712355659
I have 120 IQ. I am a member of MENSA. I'm in the process of writing a 40 page dissertation to explain to you why Morrowind, actually, does have good gameplay. You will bend the knee to my higher brain function.

>>712357978
You get to kick his ass to the curb and spend your days clapping orange furry cheeks.

>>712356412
Nigger you're here wasting time bitching on /v/, you aren't in any position to be asking if anyone else has better things to do.

>>712357698
There any ETA on that? The Hammerfell bits of Anvil were neat.

>>712358727
>Stros M’Kai - with its nearby islands called The Chain - is now going to be Hammerfell’s second expansion, right after the future release of Rihad.

I can't wait to be on my deathbed as an old man and we finally get an Argonia release.

>>712359126
Just help them, will be faster
You only need to cut off your cock as a requirement, but then you will be part of something bigger

this makes no sense, why would a dunmer sue his property for damages?

Anvil, home...

>>712345250 (OP)
so is it only the northwest of Morrowind and the southeast that need to be added in? (ignoring overhauls or badly aged expansions from the 00s)

>>712361964
No because all the Telvanni lands and Necrom need to be redone.

>>712349827
We've never had a game set in the real Cyrodiil thougheverbeit

>>712361834
It doesn't make any sense, modders are just trannies who HATE the very idea of slavery

>>712354106
the padomaic isles project became the place where the other projects' most emotionally unstable autists and schizos exile themselves to, so they constantly get into retarded personal drama and make very slow progress. Across new lands projects for all TES games, a good rule of thumb is that the more obscure a place is (and the less lore it has) the more it attracts ideas guys who want a personal creative fiefdom to jerk off in instead of productive devs.

>>712361834
>>712363141
The quest takes place in Old Ebonheart which is an Imperial settlement so the Argonian is a freed citizen when they got there.

>>712363332
so the moon stuff is giga fucked then?

>>712361953
You posting one of my paintings made me realize I forgot to back them up before doing a new install and now they're all gone

>>712363465
There's no moon stuff, you're confusing that with like three different projects.

>>712363536
https://wiki.project-tamriel.com/wiki/Gallimaufry

>>712363653
This barely seems like anything more than a concept.
How are you even going to do a moon mod? Morrowind can't have new realms like Oblivion and Skyrim can.

>>712349827
Summerset is the closest to becoming a full blown project I think, they're creating assets for it currently
https://wiki.project-tamriel.com/wiki/Project_Summerset

>>712356604
It's the western edge of the Reach (also some Hammerfell) so it makes sense for there to be a little less snow there.

>>712358727
>The Hammerfell bits of Anvil were neat.
Agreed. I really dig that new Redguard-inspired Dwemer tileset.

>>712345250 (OP)
>It takes people a decade to create a world that's literally just brown mud

>>712363465
Moonmod was actually going shockingly well for a while before PulcharmSolis, their only productive asset dev, quit on them (you might know him as a prolific armor modder for TESV these days). As far as I know it hasn't made meaningful progress in the years since.

>>712363441
So why is the judge talking about a moot hypothetical? If it's a free citizen the judge should know that.
The judge is either retarded or the writing makes no sense--which it would if the judge was retarded anyways.

>>712361834
Dungmer trying to threaten the fucking RULERS of Tamriel is cute. Back to your cucklands, little Elf, Imperials rule this shit

>>712364865
The only reason the Dunmer aren't rulers of all Tamriel is because the creators of the game cucked out; Dagoth Ur and/or the Nerevarine should've made Akulakhan.

>>712364829
A barrister isn't a judge, they're a lawyer.

>>712364962
Na, the Redditretconacon wasn't a Dungmer artefact. It was from Aetherius.

>>712365081
Doesn't matter, all the same arguments apply.

>>712365134
Cope and seethe

>>712365751
The fact that you think a lawyer asking the opposing party a question in order to make him clarify his position (which is what lawyers do in civil cases) as retarded is giving me a headache.

>already explored every nook and cranny of old ebonheart houses because I'm a loot rat so I already know where most of these thieves guild quests are taking me
damn
also the "thieves with a heart of gold" crap is dumb. vardenfell's just random thievery was better

>>712366119
>low iq nigger gets headache from trying to think

>>712366293
>"thieves with a heart of gold" crap is dumb. vardenfell's just random thievery was better
I like how different regions have quite different quests for the same factions
Scamming goyim in Anvil thieves guild was cool

>>712363823
Everything can be interiors lol

>>712366293
>vardenfell's just random thievery was better
Like the Bal Molagmer stuff?

>>712349827
I also hate that they started in West Cyrodil and Skyrim. It will be a decade or more before the map is contiguous now. If they started in the east, Cyrodil would connect now, and Skyrim potentially in the next year or 2. I hate have a giant ocean in the middle of the world map now.

*holds up lockpick spork* quirky reddit chungus ftw!

How do you get into the Necrom catacombs? There's either a forcefield or a grate blocking my way. I just wanna honor my ancestors nigga

>>712367937
It’s because they had no idea when Morrowind would be finished and they didn’t want to have conflicts.

Does someone have the 'no daughter of mine is going out dressed like that' khajit image?

>>712368718
there's a panel next the forcefield

>>712345250 (OP)
I spent several hours installing one of those giant modpacks that improves everything but keeps it vanilla mostly. I then played 1-2 hours before I remembered that Morrowind is complete garbage from the ground up and nothing can fix that.

It was great when it first released and there was nothing to compare it too but it sucks ass now.

Everyone here needs to know that since you faggots can't stop posting your gay ass game on this board like a general.

Obviously you are hated everywhere since there is a elder scrolls general on /vg/ and you can't seem to post there either.

>>712369303
thanks sera

>>712369446
Mods can fix it.

>>712369446
>hate vanilla
>refuse to download mods that change it
>still hate it
fucking retards

>>712369446
Huh? Personally I've been playing 50+ hours since the new TR stuff dropped, and I haven't even touched that stuff yet. I haven't had this fun playing vidya since Classic WoW dropped and all my friends and I played it for a month or two

>>712369446
We are DECEIVING poor innocent anons by... posting about a game we like.
>/tesg/
A wasteland of Skyrim screenshots.

>>712370110
WEG-tier skyrim screenshots, let's not give them too much credit

Where the FUCK is Bone-Eater, I've been looking for 2 hours

>>712366293
OE TG has too much going on and it all resolves too abruptly. I was especially disappointed in the Delagia gang or whatever they're called, what a wet fart of an ending for a subplot. The beginning is wild too if you consider the PC could be anywhere from level 1-30
>why yes, I WILL send this card carrying member of my guild to get shit checked by my friend
>what do you mean he killed everyone on the ship????
Should have a check to see if you're in the Guild before they send you on that first mission, I was an Operative for christs sake

>>712371274
Here
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel_Rebuilt:Suldunanit
>To reach this location, leave Menaan and head west across the wooden bridge. Continue to follow the paths leading west at each fork you encounter, and you will pass by the cavern - it's a little to the east of the Daedric Shrine of Ossurnashalit.

>>712345250 (OP)
>Nothing in 2004
Grim.

Would I be able to Calm as hostile, intimidate them until their Fight is low, then admire to 100 to get a permanent friend? The Fight decrease on intimidate is permanent, right?

>>712371484
yeah just completed what I guess are all the OE ones and agree 100%. I think they tried to rely too hard on things that normally don't happen in vanilla quests, with the scripted "you're captured" thing and the hunter that spawns behind you after you steal his boots.
The party was especially bad, with the unfinished house.

>>712345250 (OP)
Soon all of Tamriel will be in Morrowind, and Todd, if he is still alive, will have to concede and cancel the release of TESVI, for the modders have already outdone him in every way.

I almot never saw Morrowind threads here but I used to see lots of Oblivion threads. Then the remaster got released and suddenly Morrowind became a popular topic.
Are you faggots really this desperate to be special and unique that you dropped Oblivion because Zoomers know about it thanks to the remaster?

>>712372590
Ungodly amount of newfag energy emanating from this post, it must be locked in containment lest it taint the entire site with its retardation.

>>712345250 (OP)
Looks like a lot of autism and not morrowind lol

>>712372869
>not even trying to deny it
kek

>>712355659
>I have a 110 IQ
lol midwit

>>712372590
There was a major release for a popular Morrowind mod, whose releases have been causing spikes in the frequency of /v/ morrowind threads for literal years now.

>>712372590
It's topical now because of Tamriel Rebuilt updates, you fucking retard.

>>712372590
hahahah what a fucking retard

>>712372590
(You)

never seen this image before

>>712374795
Dagoth Fur

>>712345250 (OP)
I'm about to earn 10k drakes.

>>712374795
>corprus beast dagoth
surprised no one tried to mod this in yet

>>712374795
>>712375665
would

>>712371906
thanks
can't believe I managed to go around this place like 3 times

>>712363967
Most of Morrowind looks nothing like Vvardenfell

>>712375665
eh, doesn't fit

>>712375976
Huh, how are you zooming your map all the way out like that. Is that an OpenMW thing?

>>712377839
Yes

>>712345250 (OP)
absolutely pointless project

>>712378024
Benefits of not being tied to Morrowind's old weird UI system I suppose

>>712378083
said ur mom after you were born hehe

>>712377839
You can do the same and more with this mod https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/46071

>>712377072
I think it does, at least somewhat
to me Dagoth's concept art always gave off this vibe of some inhumane beast masquerading as a man (note the right arm.) I could see fighting him once in his "normal" form, then in Akulakhan's chamber he drops all pretense and starts contorting his body, climbing on walls, w/e

>>712378648
UI expansion doesn't have local map zoom, just world map.

>>712346378
this bro this aah game is older then me frfr lmfao

What's the boat mod everyone was using?

>>712378883
Explain?
I don't see a local map zoom in that screenshot, just a map spread out over the whole screen

>>712380030
Stormrider

>>712380245
Right, but it's definitely zoomed out way more than the normal Morrowind local map.

>>712372869
>>712373761
>>712373818
>>712373903
>>712374207
He's right though. He's completely right.

>>712349827
>Instead they picked the fucking human provinces that we've already had games in.
I greatly appreciate this because we get to see what Cyrodiil and Skyrim would have looked like if Bethesda were consistent in lore and writing instead of appealing to the console market like stupid fags.

>>712345250 (OP)
The amount of autism required to do this is kinda insane and I gotta respect it.
That being said I hope they can do it all before some bullshit drama inevitably tears the whole thing down because modders are fucking braindead.

>>712380840
It's not a bad thing to have them. But they're just objectively less interesting than some of the other provinces and definitely were chosen exclusively out of convenience.

>>712381123
They chose what they were more interested in doing. They have no mandate from an upper authority.

>>712380570
He's not. This place almost never mentioned Oblivion at all beyond some zoomers jerking off their nostalgia for it until the remaster came out. Morrowind has always had more threads here.

>>712345250 (OP)
That sure cast a long shadow over the other projects.
Wonder if any of them have considered using a different engine that consolidate projects of that scale better.

>>712381105
They've taken some steps to avoid the drama, mostly by keeping it purely lore focused and having autists keep it under wraps, using assets from a giant collection that all modders are required to submit to and use if they want to mod for TR, and the fact that most Morrowboomers are older autists and not the new wave HRT-addled autists.

New bumbling Irish lad kino
>https://youtu.be/TCeFiD4AAqo

>>712381443
>(game) left me RAPED and CRYING!!!

i will never click on a video like this

>>712369446
>Morrowind is complete garbage from the ground up and nothing can fix that.
It has great immersion and worldbuilding, solid depth mechanically, plenty to explore and doesn't hold your hand. Graphics are fixed with mods and bugs are patched out by the community.
Methinks you are an idiot if you think Morrowind is badly made but Skyrim and Oblivion aren't. You can fix bugs and ugly models but you can never fix a shit story, weak setting and retconned lore.

>>712381396
That's good, sounds like they have more of an idea of what they're doing than some other big ass modding projects.

>>712381443
Holy fuck he's alive

>>712381576
Dont fucking respond to me you subhuman

>>712381754
stop asking for my attention then

>>712381269
And they chose the easy path instead of the fun path.
For that I resent them.

>>712381842
You think that tumblrista posts here? Stop fucking typing retard

>>712351784
>>712353990
I hate this fucking nonsense. Yes, it's fun to imagine what Cyrodiil and Skyrim were like purely from Morrowind-era sources, but it's an utter insult to pretend like it's L-LE DEFINITIVE!!!
I hate to burst the morrowboomer bubble (i have 500+ hours on MW from across 14 years) but Kirkbride's FREAKING EPIC tongue guys are dumb. Cyrodiil being an endless jungle would make for a horrible place for an empire to sprout from.
Bendr-Mahk stuff is cool though in HOTN tbf.

>>712381937
i have no idea who made that video. you posted it for my attention and approval and you didn't receive it.

>>712382071
Anecdotally, it feels as though the other Morrowind writers' contributions are starting to be better recognized; people like Kuhlman, Goodall, Rolston, etc. Everyone talked about Kirkbride for the longest time because, well, he was the person posting the most and interacting the most with the lore community, but as he's retreated and more time is put between Morrowind's release and today, people are re-examining the other writers.

>>712382071
Cope
Project Cyrodiil is way better than Cyrodiil from Oblivion even putting aside all the lore shit

>>712382318
Took the words right out of my mouth. I was going to credit Rolston and Kuhlmann as well.
Todd was fucking Project Lead during Morrowind. There are rightful complaints about Oblivion and Skyrim but the todd hate is unironically becoming reddit as fuck.

>>712382431
Anvil is more expansive and cool in PC, but again, endless jungle is a meme. Also
>no map in MWSE
I DON'T WANT TO USE OPENMW FUCK YOU ASSHOLES
The real truthnvke is that they have to make the provinces diverse, especially Cyrodiil, because otherwise there wouldn't be enough content for each race. You'd meet two Argonians in the actual game and it'd be boring. I do think it's lame how some (re: SOME) cyrodiilic culture got buried in Oblivion, but that's life.

>>712382783
>no map in MWSE
Use UI Expansion. You should be using it anyway.

>>712382783
>no map in MWSE
Retard
UI Expansion has a map extension

>>712382783
>I DON'T WANT TO USE OPENMW FUCK YOU ASSHOLES
You vill use ze open source engine und you vill be happy

>>712382867
>>712382919
>>712382960
STOP YELLING AT ME I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS AN UPDATE

>>712383159
Always check mods for updates, silly. You never know what might be updating.

>>712358312
120 won't get you into mensa lol

>>712378416
Wtf is this lol

>>712382071
>but it's an utter insult to pretend like it's L-LE DEFINITIVE!!!
What the actual fuck are you talking about you retard? The point of the mod is to depict the setting in the Morrowind era and it does exactly that, the latter games don't matter beyond being a source for a couple cool optional ideas. There isn't a single reason for you to be against it beyond a terminal case of Bethesda dicksucking.

>>712383684
Morrowind.

>>712383892
I know but where do you find these crackhead mods

>>712382071
>Cyrodiil being an endless jungle would make for a horrible place for an empire to sprout from.
lmao why
this is such an unbelievably retarded take I'm genuinely appalled by it being so common
cyrodiil as a nation was born fully formed after the alessian slave rebellion because a god took pity on humans enslaved by evil elves and bestowed divine right upon their rebelling leader, it's an entirely magical origin story that has literally nothing to do with their biome

>>712384034
It's amazing the things you find when you pay attention.

>>712382071
People like the modern zeitgeist of a lore based elder scrolls, regardless of it being accurate or not. It's that simple. We want the endless jungle, because it's cool.

>>712384517
Oh ok you don't know

>>712384506
NTA but in short jungle is the absolute worst biome for logistics, and militaries at large scales are logistics with a bit of fighting on the side
The only way an Empire with its seat in a jungle makes sense is if logistics are bypassed with teleportation, but that doesn't seem to be the case. While teleportation IS prevalent, it's rather expensive, and seems very limited in terms of destinations. They'd have to build a fort and altar (whatever that entails) to teleport to it--which means they first have to use mundane logistics.
It makes more sense for an already established empire to move their seat to the jungle, since it is much more defensible once you already have the teleportation setup. But forming it there is just ridiculous.

>>712382071
eat shit niggy

>>712355521
One may only DREAM of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxgbC0UOyas&t=1708s

>>712383252
Fair, but it's hard to keep up these days when every damn mod has five forks, six dependencies, and a "redux" version on some obscure git repo that hasn't been touched in 3 years. I swear half my Morrowind playtime is just trying to make the game look like it came out after 2002 without it exploding.

>>712374795
>>712375665
rad

>>712384932
I do, I look at the showcase in the modding discord.

>>712383872
>>712384506
>>712385084
It's time to get over Kirkbride, fellas. I'm sorry, it's just how it is. I hate to be the one to tell you, but game depictions > a guy who hasn't work at BethSoft for 23 years. Guys, I am really, really sorry about that, I really am.

>>712385329
Sorry retard, but TR exists and I'm playing it. I don't give a shit about "game depictions", they are simply #notmycanon

>>712383872
>>712385084
>>712384506
It's time to get over Kirkbride, fellas. I'm sorry, that's just how it is. I hate to be the one to tell you, but game depictions > a guy who hasn't worked at BethSoft for 23 years. I also regret having to inform you that Morrowind was not solely developed by Kirkbride, and that not every idea was his. I would like to apologize again for being the bearer of bad news.

>>712375976
>fog of war on
I'd kill myself playing the game like that

>>712385265
>discord faggotry
Wow, suddenly I'm not interested anymore.

>>712345250 (OP)
since beyond skyrim fags are insistent on releasing the whole province at once we'll never see any progress from them

>>712385721
>are insistent on releasing the whole province at once
That is to this day one of the most retarded decisions ever made

>>712385434
The only correct opinion, TES should be open source

>>712385434
Sorry, there's only one actual canon, and it's not yours! I'm really really sorry though! Maybe you can be one of three people who care about tongue necklaces! Fus ro Dah!!!! :)

>>712385659
Sorry anon, but that's where every modder making anything hangs out.

these boots are stupidly good for being free at any time basically

>>712385992
C0DA made tongue dresses canon thougheveramaranthbeitly

>>712384954
i literally just told you that the empire of cyrodiil was formed when a dragon god helped a slave queen rebel against necromantic elves and appointed her the ruler of everywhere their civilization once was. logistics do not really apply here

>>712385553
you'd have something resembling a point if this was a general elder scrolls thread, but this is a morrowind thread in which we primarily discuss tamriel rebuilt and project tamriel, mods whose developers do indeed prioritize what was said in the lore back in the morrowind days over what is shown in the latter games, whose lore they outright reject unless they deem it interesting
as it stands you're just dickriding bethesda unprompted

>>712385992
Oh, I don't care about the "actual canon", in case that was unclear

neat
vivec coast guard investigating a beached smuggler ship

>>712386194
It's not unprompted. They admittedly created some great ideas out of nowhere, i.e in HOTN making Reachmen worship Xarxes and behaving more like disgruntled isolationist natives, more closely resembling Nedes rather than ALLAHU AKBAR Daedra worshipping terrorists, but they outright canned all of the dragon lore for no fucking reason. The most interesting lore from the actual games was tossed.
I am so fucking tired of contrarianism, god dammit. AT LEAST ANVIL HAD FUCKING DWEMER RUINS! WHERE ARE THE DWEMER RUINS IN HOTN?!

>>712356412
get back to work tood you have a non-starfield game to make

>>712386764
Apparently there are some, just more on the border.

>>712385845
>That is to this day one of the most retarded decisions ever made
It's a totally understandable decision especially for at the time when they started it. The very obvious and instinctive way to organise your giant mod project is going to be to try and ape actual game studios - do everything in secret and then release it all at once amid a bunch of hype. It makes plenty of sense how they got in this position even as dumb as it looks with the benefit of hindsight. The retarded bit is refusing to course correct despite still being nowhere close to release over a decade later.

>>712386764
They didn't can it entirely. The Dragon Cult was integrated into their lore, in a way that fits pre-skyrim dragon and nord lore, i.e instead of being an intercontinental empire ruled by literal dragons it was just a time-fearing nordic cult that worshipped alduin(as in, the nordic akatosh, not skyrim's main villain) and did some agricultural duties.
And they didn't do it out of contrarianism, they did it because the mod is trying to adapt the setting as close as possible to what it was in the Morrowind era and Skyrim dragon lore just doesn't fit.

>>712387426
I thought it was a retarded decision even back then
But not as retarded as working on every single province at once, instead of starting by expanding Skyrim's borders progressively.

first time in Bal Foyen, game searching for Thieves Guild quests only to learn at the local watering hole that they've been wiped out by Camona Tong thugs.

>>712387437
Listen, a part of me is in agreement with you, but they've had a lot of the lore written out years in advance. See this from Geilir at the end of Bloodmoon, for instance. TR has actually done a good job of integrating future lore into the writing, but for some reason HOTN is just adamantly against it. I think it was 2015 contrarianism, and I think it will improve with development. Anvil is actually OK, though I hope they don't go le epic jungle route.

>>712386764
>WHERE ARE THE DWEMER RUINS IN HOTN?!
soon

Alright what major cities would you want as destinations that this airship could warp to?

>>712387997
why did the dwemer build so many giant bridges like that over normal and completely passable terrain?

>>712387964
None of that implies the existence of what is seen in Skyrim's dragon cult lore
>though I hope they don't go le epic jungle route.
They will, because that's what Cyrodiil was like in Morrowind. You can already see that even the area currently in P:C is significantly more tropical than in Oblivion, and pic related is their Imperial City concept. I am deeply sorry to say, but you personally disliking it doesn't change anything, thankfully for everybody else.

>>712388693
Please tell me how that's jungle. There's a bit of Southeast Asian influence on the architecture and boats and it's reedy. Jungle!!!

>>712384954
> in short jungle is the absolute worst biome for logistics
Worked for the Aztecs

>>712388693
By the way, those are cattails. They grow fucking everywhere, including marshlands in the (jungly) northeastern USA and (jungly) Britain.

Do you ever do "fun runs" in which you just think of a character to play as and boost your stats so you're basically starting as a pro?

>>712345250 (OP)
>still has Morrowind's dogshit combat
I'm gonna be real, that alone is a huge detractor from giving this a try. Graphics are to be expected since there's no way you could reasonably do all that with Skyrim level environments but does the gameplay HAVE to suck?

>>712388343
why not

>>712389412
Just get mods.

>>712389412
it doesn't
>t. zoomer who played morrowind for the first time this year

>>712389412
>but does the gameplay HAVE to suck
well it's a TES game

well this was weird, went to do a writ for the morag dong and all the guards were already aggro to me

>>712389087
>>712389248
my point is that they are indeed going for a pockety guide to the empire nibenay, jungle included, even if you can't see it in that image in particular. btw, did you know that P:C won't have the jerall mountains in it (they're technically oblivion lore whose existence clashes wit aspects of pre-oblivion cyrodiil) and bruma will be a nibenese jungly town instead of le comfy snowy nord town?

>reload
>snipe target from invisibility with crossbow
>doesn't one shot her
>she runs away, guards chase me
>cast invisibility again
>for some reason a random named guard aggrod the target, finishes her off then gets killed by the guard
none dared to report my actions

>>712389195
Akshually, contrary to popular belief, the Aztec Empire did not hail from a jungle, like at all, not even fucking close. The Valley of Mexico and most of the rest of Central Mexico are temperate highlands with snow-capped mountains and deciduous pines, and the only stereotypically tropical thing about it are its rain patterns.

>>712388331
>Alright what major cities would you want as destinations that this airship could warp to?
Vvardenfell: Vivec, Balmora, Ald'ruhn, Gnisis, Dagon Fel, Sadrith Mora, Molag Mar
Solstheim: Fort Frostmoth, Raven Rock, Skaal village
TR: Old Ebonheart, Bal Foyen, Almas Thirr, Narsis, Akamora, Necrom, Firewatch, Port Telvannis, Arvud, Helnem, Nivalis
SHoTN: Karthwasten, Dragonstar East/West
PC: Anvil, Charach, Brina Cross
Other: Mournhold
(Anyone else is free to add more, this is just me gazing over the map for ~10 minutes.)

>>712389274
I played as an Imga artist for about a week. Does that count?

>>712355521
They'd ruin it like Cyrodiil.

>>712346378
Some people like making shit.. they grew up watching Bob Ross and morrowind is the perfect little playground to plant your happy little.. tree.. mushroom.. whatevers..

can we please work on the san andreas mod instead?

So I built my new rig, and installed OpenMW and Tamriel Rebuilt. Is Project Tamriel worth it? Any other recommended mods? I'm excited as shit to start for real, I made a quick test character just to make sure TR content was working, went to some mainland town where some guy said I needed some kind of certificate to be there, went to the Council Club they directed me to and got killed by Camonna Tong niggers.

>>712394863
Yes, well worth it. You already have Tamriel Data so it's just one extra plugin. PT is obviously much smaller, but what's there is very high quality (you'll notice the TR quality fall off in older content to the east and north-east). SHotN has less going on, but is still worth a download.

>>712391075
I could maybe see Cyrodiil in a southwestern US climate instead of temperate forest, but not JUNGLE JUNGLE. Again, jungles don't make good starting points for empires. Haven't you played Civilization?!

>>712395289
Damn, PC looks a LOOOOT better with a grass mod.

>>712395450
A lot of these are now designed for grass and distant land.

>>712395450
All my homies hate painted dirt.

>>712382071
>I hate to burst the morrowboomer bubble... Cyrodiil being an endless jungle would make for a horrible place for an empire to sprout from.

There's also the fact that Tamriel would be oversaturated with jungle or tropical climate. You already have Elseweyr, Blackmarsh and possibly Valenwood, not to mention parts of Hammerfell, I'm guessing (I've never played ESO so I don't know what these places are like). Also, a tropical jungle being right next to the tundra of Skyrim? No.

>>712395414
>southwestern
Do you mean like a gulf climate? Southwest doesn't make sense. Southwest (NM) on the left, south (GA) on the right.

>>712395852
TR looks pretty great without any grass but PC is night and day.

>>712345250 (OP)
this is beautiful and I don't know how anyone can even act like this is wrong.

>>712395874
Looks like New Vegas

cant believe we're 5-6 updates from mainland being done (not including reworks)

>>712396937
>(not including reworks)
desu you have to, like if you go to Telvannis the quality is awful, significantly below vanilla and closer to the expansions

TES is boring shit. Play something else. You're as bad as tendies.

>>712396937
Which will amount to basically 10 years from now

>>712395890
>tropical jungle
Does it need to be tropical? Or is it that when someone says "jungle" they can only think of tropical so that's what it must be?

>>712398125
Yeah. That or sub tropical.

There's no "boreal jungle" or "temperate jungle."

>>712387832
What ship mod is that? also what texture or AI enhance mod are you using there?

>>712395414
Nigger Civilization doesn't magically make the Morrowind-era lore explicitly describing Cyrodiil as a jungle magically go away, get that through your skull, the point of TR isn't to be faithful to fucking Civ or its armchair historian fans' simplistic view of history, it's to realize the Elder Scrolls setting as it existed in Redguard and Morrowind and that means having at least half of cyrodiil be a fucking jungle

Morrowind's combat really does completely ruin the experience.

Also all the npcs just fucking stand around follow 1 exact route. It's anti-immersive.

>>712363064
We have. The jungle was de-forested to fuel the empire and is never coming back.
Some say it's why the Aedra abandoned the empire during the 3rd era and allowed the Oblivion crisis.

>>712398326
The static NPCs is much worse than the combat. The combat isn't a plus but it's preferable to Oblivion or Skyrim. .

>>712372590
I'm gunna ignore your gay shitpost and just say that Google and Bethesda desperately pushing the remaster with adsense has made it so normal Oblivion discussion is essentially impossible so fuck you for rubbing salt in the wound.

Mogged

>>712382071
Todd, go cancel the next Starfield DLC and get back to work on ES6 you manlet.

>*mindbreaks bethtards with facts and good lore*
how does it do it?

>>712346462
>talking about a free mod by a team that doesnt accept donations is... le shilling!!!
kys bethesjeet

>>712345250 (OP)
I'm 100% out of the loop and only played base morrowind back in the day
is this like just one mod pack I can DL or something or do I have to search and get all the areas individually?
and is it typical to do a new character for each area or just roll with the same?

>>712398750
>Dice rolls when you swing your weapon are preferable to real tactile combat where, positioning, timing, and reaction are critical if you are playing on adult difficulty

You're completely out of your fucking mind. You're probably one of the retards that played on baby mode and spammed attacks with no fatigue left to limply flail everyone to death for 20 minutes then went "wow this is such boring combat"

Skyrim's combat is dogshit though. I can't defend it despite still thinking it's better than rolling a dice.

what mods to actually make morrowind playable aside from openMW to even get the game to open at all

>>712399496
Several mods
One for Mainland morrowind
One for Skyrim
One for Cyrodiil
And so on
They are all compatible out of the box and even have extra quests if you have them all installed

>>712382071
>endless jungle would make for a horrible place for an empire to sprout from
why do culturelets even bother opening their mouths?

>>712399273
I want to see Nibenese autism in it's full glory

>>712399273
What are ayleid enclaves?

>>712349827
They've made maps from games already done to scratch the itch of seeing them in their original canon form.

>>712399631
which is easier to do the mods with, grabbing it on steam or using my old disc set?

>>712399860
areas where ayleids reside before oblivion retconned them to being extinct

>>712399169
It's just a change in how they did things
Oblivion had about 4 times as many cells as Morrowind but each one was a quarter the size

>>712399497
>real tactile combat where, positioning, timing, and reaction are critical if you are playing on adult difficulty
Yeah if this existed in another Bethesda game you'd have an argument but it doesn't
Morrowind's combat is bad, but it's also the best in the series sadly

>>712382071
>can't make an empire in a jungle
Are you retarded? The biggest empires of the bronze age rose and fell in thick Asian tropical jungles, don't fall for kangz cope.

>>712381576
are is crippling autism or just pure and simple shaken baby syndrome causing this retardation that makes you incapable of detecting irony?

>>712400265
uh, what?
the middle east isn't a jungle and is where all the biggest bronze age empires were

>>712367937
eastern Cyrodil is more interesting too, damn shame

why did she do it?

>>712400751
woman moment

>>712400751
He wanted to die and she was mad and needed a punching bag

>>712391075
>btw, did you know that P:C won't have the jerall mountains in it
wrong

i would like to point out there is a line somewhere in the PGE saying that the surrounding vegetation is routinely cleared

What goes on here?

If we want to get realistically then there should be way more farmlands especially near the city. In fact the surrounding jungle of the imperial city should be cut and turned to farmland to support the huge population.

i downloaded "smelly's openmw 1st person head bob" mod and it somehow makes the slower movement speed more bearable

>>712402094
set your speed to 3000 and give yourself a seizure

>>712345250 (OP)
>>712345250 (OP)
>>712345250 (OP)
Ok
Post the gameplay

Weird how you guys spam threads here but never once post gameplay videos

>>712401750
Weird ocean elves

I was enjoying it but after beating the game it regularly crashes upon trying to load a city
Didn't even do the DLCs yet, what gives?

>>712402206
The gameplay doesn't make good videos and making videos is difficult because of the extremely old engine
Even if it was easy it'd be like posting WoW gameplay videos; it's completely meaningless noise to anyone who doesn't already know what they're looking at

>>712401750
Chimeri-quey flotilla cities

>>712402206
here you go bro

>>712401750
head to Ember Keep in Firewatch and find out

>>712402469
kino

>>712402206
Morrowind gameplay is doing quests and exploring the world, not combat

>>712402339
>guys this game is FIRE!!!!!
>trust me you gotta try this epic 90s game!
>yeah look at this sick Expansion!!
>uh..no I won't post gameplay
>umm..uh..you want to see me having fun playing it?
>wait um...here is a comfy screenshot!!!

Post gameplay

>Some of the most dedicated, talented, and autistic (good kind) modders and game designers
>Worked on for decades and likely will be worked on for decades more
>One of the largest if not largest modding project of all time
>All on one of the worst and most limiting game engines every created with inexcusably bad gameplay that cannot be fixed even with mods
It's such a waste of effort. It's like polishing a turd into the hope diamond.

>>712402623
retarded jaknigger

>>712402469
wait a minute this looks good wtf
SISTERS!? YOU TOLD ME THIS WAS A MEME GAME!

>>712389087
you are so fucking stupid its unreal. do you think real life jungle empires just built their cities in the middle of the actual jungle without clearing it you dumb fucking retarded motherfucker? also in PGE1 it doesnt say that literally every square inch of cyrodiil is jungle, dumbass.
>Its center, the grassland of the Nibenay Valley, is enclosed by an equatorial rain forest and broken up by rivers. As one travels south along these rivers, the more subtropical it becomes, until finally the land gives way to the swamps of Argonia and the placid waters of the Topal Bay. The elevation rises gradually to the west and sharply to the north. Between its western coast and its central valley there are all manner of deciduous forest and mangroves, becoming sparser towards the ocean. The western coast is a wet-dry area, and from Rihad border to Anvil to the northernmost Valenwood villages forest fires are common in summer. There are a few major roads to the west, river paths to the north, and even a canopy tunnel to the Velothi Mountains, but most of Cyrodiil is a river-based society surrounded by jungle.

>>712345250 (OP)
>No black marsh and elsweyr mod
Hopefully within a decade, they decide to work on those too.

>"Try Marking then Recalling onto the pad, it might be dangerous though."
>This shouldn't be that ba-
>Cyrodiil
>Necrom
>In a sunken boat filled with Dreugh

>>712402870
Unless more devs join the project it's unlikely. I could see it happening after everything wraps up with Morrowind. Though a lot of them will probably quit too once their respective province/area is done.

>>712400546
>what is south-east asia
retard

>>712402860
>real life jungle empires
May I see it?
There are no empires that have existed in the jungle.

>>712403186
Could you name these empires you're talking about?

Almalexia owes Nerevar sex

>>712403261
True; she's his wife after all. No reason to kill her, she should be punished but she's still his spouse.

>>712361834
>Attempts to gain money instead of stating that it's a Dangerous animal needing to be put down
You can Smell the N'wahlu from here

>>712403229
did you just ignore the image i posted along with my post? also see >>712399787
retard.

>>712385131
I miss rss feeds.

>>712402870
>>712403162
Black marsh is already reserved by TR developers so while TR is unfinished it won't start development

>>712403253
Khmer Empire
Pagan Empire
Melayu Kingdom
Javan Civilization
Balinese Civilization
Vietnam
Majapahit Empire
etc. etc. Don't know why you are just pretending these didnt exist and were powerful empires in ancient times

>>712403349
>khmer
>empire
Seriously? Just because you put it in the name doesn't make it true.
Both by size and population the 'empire' was smaller than contemporary states. I guess that makes united Hawai'i an empire too, huh?

>>712403186
Yeah you are definitely wrong on this but there were civilizations existing in SE Asia at the time but by no means the biggest. Also not a ton of information on them as they weren't very well recorded so most of our understanding comes from archeological sites.

>>712402469
ok, what mods?

>>712403632
You said bronze age and most if not all of those aren't bronze age though I don't recognize all those names.

>712403801
your request for a concession has been received and accepted wholeheartedly. idk why you are so passionate about this subject and find it so unbelievable that a fantasy empire with magic couldnt survive in a jungle even though tons of empires have in real life lmao

Any good ground cover mods that are compatible with TR/PT? Anvil needs grass

>>712403632
never even heard of a single one of those; so they're all tiny and regional at best
try again seamonkey

>>712369446
>It was great when it first released
It released after decades of decent to great ad&d games and crushingly superior first person RPGs like Thief and Deus Ex... maybe TES is just a shit series?

>>712404057
Project Cyrodiil has its own separate grass mod.

712404034
>comparing civilizations 1200 years apart
For reference that's well less than half of the population of England at the time. And that's just the kingdom, not the entire British Isles.
It's literally a backwater area with nobody in it. The Italian penisula had more than 10 million people at that time, and if it were united wouldn't have been large enough to have been called an empire.

>>712402469
What mods are these ?

>>712403953
________________ I don't know lol __________ ________

>>712404057
Also I think Fantasia Grass Mod has stuff in Cyrodiil too if you don't like the other

>it wasnt an empire because a random anon in a morrowind thread said so as opposed to 100% of historians referring to it as an empire
lmao yeah man i guess the aztec empire didnt exist either because its woops sorry i guess random 4chan anon won because he compared it relative to other empires

>>712404339
NTA ankor is a city which having 700,000-900,000 at that time is extremely impressive. Largest cities had population of like 1 million and numbers only started to get big with the industrial revolution.

>>712404593
Khmer is abl very good example but Aztecs aren't as they weren't based in the jungle.

damn I forgot the hre was in fact holy, roman, and an empire
also

>>712404707
Sure, but one city does not make an empire. It's not that what was happening wasn't impressive, but to compare it to a continent spanning empire is ridiculous and pure buffoonery.
Scale HAS to be considered, otherwise my facetious example of Hawai'i is truly an empire--it's a united collection of independent states under one ruling body.

>>712404387
>>712403953
Not that poster but that's OpenMW and I can see these mods in use:

Adventurer's Backpacks
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/43213

Dynamic camera effects and target lock
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/55327

Dynamic Reticle
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/56584

And then there would the mod to switch around the UI, the enemy health bar, (maybe you can switch that in openmw?) and of course the groundcover mod. Nothing too much game play changing really.

>>712404797
no of course but the point was that since he compared it relative to other empires then he could say the same about the aztecs being "less advanced" or "less populated" relative to european empires and kingdoms in its time which is ridiculous as if that matters at all to the definition of what makes something a functional empire or civilization. the notion that flourishing empires cant nor havent existed in dense jungle climates is ridiculous which was the entire impetus for the conversation

>>712404945
>but to compare it to a continent spanning empire is ridiculous and pure buffoonery
its not. its a fantasy game with an empire that has massive control over extremely powerful magic as well as the fact that ive repeated several times, that cyrodiil wasnt ENTIRELY jungle and the area of where the Imperial City was located was in fact NOT in the middle of a dense jungle, but it was surrounded by jungle. also why are you still repeating the notion that the Khmer Empire was not an empire? it absolutely was and every historian says so. What is your beef with the Khmer

>>712402469
Kinooo

>morrowind is not all brown piece of shit land and has different biomes now
i will finally play this game

>>712405507
>bribed my way into a skooma den
>they don't buy skooma either

what the fuck man is my nigga ra'jirr the only one i can rely on

>>712405192
nta but it absolutely matters if you have a fucking mud hut empire at the same time as a proper stone and steel one
most people wouldn't consider the 'empires' of subsaharan africa to be functional for example, and the idea that they could conquer anyone other than similarly backwards peoples is ridiculous
the jungle irl has had massive deleterious effects on technological development for ALL civilizations within it, and this means they would struggle and likely be unable to conquer neighboring states
in tamriel, on top of that, they also have the disadvantage of literally just lacking the superior metals other nations have access to
it's one thing for the empire to exist when they cheated with god power to make it
but the second empire was supposed to encompass all of tamriel sans morrowind and they lacked any divine aid

>>712405939
Ajira is my catwife and she buys it

>>712345250 (OP)
>down a bunch of resist magicka potions
>equip boots of blinding speed
>sprint to fields of kummu sanctuary, grab 100 feather effect
>sprint to vivec, grab levitation 100 effect
>can fly around the map like I'm Peter Pan or some shit
fun as fuck, I spent some time just doing air maneuvers around the cantons

>>712353990
Reminds me of the WC3 main menu for some reason, just needs some random green ass meteors

is there a mod that replaces all khajiit with housecats

If only Bethesda with their money could make a game with as much high quality content as Tamriel Rebuilt. I guess that low-fi graphics and no voice acting can make development speedy even for amateurs.

>>712406384
>no voice acting
Tamriel Rebuilt - Grasping Fortune - Fully Voiced
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/56488

Good quality is a 17.5GB download though

>>712369446
This is the thing. Unless you're a perpetual stoner or medicated, Bethesda games are pretty lousy. Modding can't never fix the gameplay because you can't polish a turd.
And for those who enjoy the "lore" so much, why not just read a book? World is full of literature but there are only like few Elder Scrolls games at this point lmao

>>712406740
>17.5gb download
Fallout London boys were really lying through their teeth about not being able to host it on Nexus, weren't they?

>>712380570
Not even remotely. The only Oblivion threads I saw before was making fun of it or some contrarian saying it's better than Skyrim and Morrowind.

>>712372590
People like that definitely exist in large numbers and will latch onto whatever and then complain about people playing something other than this thing they latched onto but your post is still retarded.

Daggerfall item enchanting had negative effects you could add which would lower the enchantment gauge so you could fit more bonuses. WHY did they get rid of it for Morrowind? IS there a mod that implements it?>>712407067

For me it's going through smuggler caves, killing the outlanders, and just running past the Dunmer

>>712401750
Hawaiian Japs

>>712407067
Here's your mandated "You Tried" (you) for that bait.

>>712402469
>tries to prove the game has good gameplay
>posts mods

>>712409957
nothing about the mods hes got there changes the combat at all. it just adds flash.

>>712380840
Skyirm is just ESO Skyrim but lower res. Cyrodiil is based.

Hope TES 6 keeps the same leveling system as Oblivion remastered

>>712399787
>>712402860
OH MAI TAWT
DID U REALLY FOGE GREH KHME EMPAYUH?
You have one example! Good job!
Empires that didn't start in a jungle, a non-exhaustive list:
Spanish
Portuguese
Mongol
British
French
Roman
Macedonian
Persian
Literally every Chinese dynasty
Incan
Russian
Every Islamic caliphate
Ottoman/Rum
I could go on and on. You have the Khmer and the Maya. Except... just a silly little detail!!! Oops!!! They don't control the entire fucking continent!! Oops!!! Wow, they cleared and controlled and lorded over their neolithic neighbors from their ziggurats! Wow! Totally comparable to Tamriel btw!
I rarely say this because it's juvenile, but genuinely fucking kill yourself, nigger.

>>712411607
Btw, an addendum: this anon >>712403229 isn't me. I know you think you really got me with that epic own about the Khmer, but edge cases do not prove the rule. And the rule is that empires rarely spawn out of societies based in dense, impassable jungles. Let alone continent-spanning ones. Seethe, dilate, cope, kill yourself.

>>712411607
not a single one of those you listed controlled their entire continent either

>>712411808
Also, you could easily stick it to me by just saying "Numidium wins against everyone, so it doesn't matter." But instead you want to hold on to your gay little fanfiction Cyrodiil where everyone slogs through Lake Rumare with their fucking non la, because you're a faggot fucking viet or cambo. Die.

>>712411607
>there exists other biomes than jungle
....ok? what a revelation, anon.

>>712411808
>And the rule is that empires rarely spawn out of societies based in dense, impassable jungles. Let alone continent-spanning ones
right and that means that the fantasy world with an empire with immense control over magic possibly couldnt rise up in a jungle despite real life empires doing so which, if you didnt know, didnt have magic?

>>712411986
>fanfiction
>literally the canon before oblivion
lol based retard. just admit that you are a bethesjeet cocksucker and you think todd will read this.

>>712412321
>l-l-l-l-literally canon before oblivion
I cannot fucking stand Kirkbride dicksuckers. I'm abandoning the thread before I fucking lose it. Good job.

>>712412768
they were rebooting the world under fucking todd with redguard you retarded newfag. unless you are one of those retards that thinks the world should just look like the retarded and generic DnDslop it was in 1967 when arena came out, then be my guest. just kys already and spare us the trouble of continuing replying to you

>>712412938
so you're admitting to him that the canon changes? like he's retarded because he only thinks it was never jungled but you just admit they changed it to be jungled, so then they can change it again

>>712413208
nta but the 'canon' didn't really exist before redguard; it was all shitposts

>>712413208
sure but the whole point of the PGE1 was that it was there to start establishing what the world of TES was going to be as julian lefay didnt give a fuck about that shit (iirc he explicitly stated that, even) if you want to be difficult and nihilistic and just say "well nothing fucking matters and can change all the time with no consistency nor coherency" then i guess i cant stop you, but thats why Tamriel Rebuilt is here to bring some kind of coherency back to the world that Todd and co abandoned with Oblivion that it seems like most people today are dissatisfied with.

>>712382071
Kys retard

>>712380570
You are also a fucking retard.

>>712382071
>Cyrodiil being an endless jungle would make for a horrible place for an empire to sprout from.
What's the mayan empire?

>>712416494
>mayan empire
there was never any such thing, unless you count the league of mayapan, which you shouldn't. that anon is still retarded though. IIRC big swathes of the gangetic plain were still jungle during the maurya empire

>>712416494
Most of the Mayan civilization was actually what's categorized as 'tropical dry forest' which is more like savanna than a jungle.

>>712382071
>>712382318
Fake fans
People like Kirkbride because he wrote most of the cool creatures like the kwama and convinced Tod to put them in game, and because he wrote a lot of the more esoteric parts of the lore like the Middle Dawn as well as much of the PGE, which is where a lot of the most interesting lore comes from. Also Bethesda fired Kurt Kuhlman and the next game will have none of the cool vestiges of the lore that Skyrim had, it will be pure Emil slop. Now kill yourselves.

>>712417083
Uhh no. The yucatan is not a savannah at all.

>>712399985
aren't ayleids just altmers though

>>712417521
>1. Dominant Biome Classification
>The Yucatán Peninsula is classified primarily within the tropical seasonal forest and tropical savanna biomes, with some tropical dry forest and semi-deciduous forest zones.

>A colloquial name for a tropical seasonal forest is often:

>"Tropical dry forest"
>This term is commonly used interchangeably in casual and semi-technical contexts, even though there is a subtle distinction:

>Tropical seasonal forest refers broadly to forests with distinct wet and dry seasons, including both deciduous (leaf-shedding) and semi-deciduous types.

>Tropical dry forest is more specific and usually refers to the drier end of that spectrum, where most trees are deciduous.

Even ChatGPT says the only way it works is through divine intervention kek

>How reasonable would it be for a civilization seated in a jungle, like the Imperials from The Elder Scrolls as described in Morrowind, to form multiple continent-spanning empires over the course of millennia?

>Conclusion
>In the real world, a jungle-based civilization forming multiple continent-spanning empires is implausible, but not strictly impossible under highly favorable ecological and technological conditions.

>In a fantasy world like The Elder Scrolls, where geography, magic, and myth are plastic and potent forces, such a civilization—particularly one centered in Cyrodiil—can very plausibly form enduring, globe-straddling empires over millennia. The key is the magical infrastructure and metaphysical legitimacy that replace or transcend mundane logistical limits.

In other words the second empire isn't believable even to a fucking overhyped chatbot yesman
The third empire is fine, but if we're to accept the second we have to reject the jungle

muh chatgpt

i asked my simpering virtual nigger if it agreed with me and you'll never guess what the results were

Jesus Christ, why do morrowind threads always attract the most schizo shitposters in the world who will latch on to and argue extremely niche points for no reason?

>>712419182
They get really hung up over a talking point, and in order to continue the argument have to escalate to ever more ridiculous heights, including flat out denial of reality.
As for why Morrowind; it's just the standard phenomena of people refusing to admit they're wrong in an online argument, but they've held the same stance for decades and STILL won't listen to the other side because their ego is so wrapped up in being correct about their knowledge of video game lore or something. Morrowind is just popular right now, so it gets talked about. The same people exist in plenty of other games, but you don't see them go to such extremes because the game dies off in popularity and they have nobody to argue with anymore. The arguments never have the time to progress from what could be good faith to schizos yelling past each other.

>>712419182
sharty 'cord is still figuring out how to bait morrowind threads

they're getting better at it desu

>open world slop
:|
>open world slop, mod
:O

>>712419182
because you keep giving them (you)s

>>712419182
bethesda has a lot of paid shills on this website

lmao

>>712382071
>but it's an utter insult to pretend like it's L-LE DEFINITIVE!!!
I genuinely do not care what Bethesda does with The Elder Scrolls any more. Tamriel Rebuilt's setting is my new personal canon for this franchise.

That does it.
>Almost 100 hours on a character I made to go to Narsis to check out the new content
>Somehow got sidetracked and due to my mage build checked out the Sacred East/Telvanni areas instead (they're pretty good despite how old and supposedly basic they are)
>I'm now in my mid-30's and very powerful
I'm going to Narsis this weekend and that's it.

>>712382071
>500 hours in 14 years
That's nothing you retard.
>Acting like it's definitive
Nobody is saying that you retard. It's meant to be Tamriel as it was during Morrowind's events. Do you expect the Nerevarine to take a time machine and go to the Oblivion Crisis and to Skyrim when that retarded shit involve Alduin was happening?
>The jungle making for a bad place for an empire to come from
THIS HAS HAPPENED IN REAL HISTORY YOU FUCKING RETARD.

Why is it that you retards always think you're the smartest person in the room when every babbling attempt at a sentence that spews from your malformed lips reveal you to be idiots?

The reality bending time travel robot taller than the sky? That's okay.

But a jungle? NO! THATS UNREALISTIC!!!!!

>>712361834
dis writing is gay

>>712382071
He's right.

>>712403581
not anymore pretty sure, the black marsh project was moved to PT

>>712418786
The second empire was formed when a guy was miraculously born from the ground and successfully convinced cyrodiil's various states, which had already been united under the alessian empire (which in turn, also had magical origins) and had an imperial national identity, that he had the divine right to rule the whole place. It also had a magic backstory in which logistics are irrelevant.
Now stop trying to apply Civ logic to a world where the sun is a hole in the sky and the laws of nature are determined by which ancient spirits killed themselves

>>712349827
I don't care about Skyrimjob but the different take on Cyrodiil is cool.

>visit firewatch
>enter the college
>half of the "people" there are free argonians
Huh? I think this is the most I've seen of people self inserting their scalesonas in TR

>>712414172
>thats why Tamriel Rebuilt is here to bring some kind of coherency back to the world that Todd and co abandoned with Oblivion
Lmao, you really think you're some kind of Saviour of the Lore(TM), they change one thing and suddenly all the lore is shit and will never be good and should be exactly as it was in Morrowind (even if that didn't make any sense either) because Morowind reached very deep inside you and you can't stand change.

>>712425221
Not him, but I think lore shouldn't change if it goes against what I liked as a 12-year-old and makes it worse.

>>712425221
Bethesda are hacks. They've admit they DON'T HIRE WRITERS.

You went to public school.

>>712425316
>They've admit they DON'T HIRE WRITERS.
Yeah, the writing in Morrowind already proved that.

>>712345250 (OP)
Only Vvardenfell project has any relevance in 2025, though.

>>712345250 (OP)
>Morrowind chads won
Only 20 more years!

>>712387964
Stuff like this makes me think of the parts in vanilla Tribunal where there's a cult of people that claim the Almsivi are all going to die and then Oblivion Gates will open all over the Cyrrodil (or Nirn) and Daedra will kill everyone. I do wonder how much of Oblivion was actively being developed by the time of the original Morrowind expansions, it was likely well into pre-production in 2003. What people know about Skyrim from Morrowind versus TES5 is pretty different through so I get the divergence in that sense.

>>712425670
yes, twenty more years of winning!

>>712425458
Yeah, it's better than any collage educated writer could come up with.

>>712345250 (OP)
why do maps of fucking skyrim and oblivion instead of finish mournhold?

>>712425097
>half of the "people" there are free argonians
ask them about twin lamps
you will see why

>>712355659
> I have a 110 IQ,
lol
> professionally WAIS-IV tested by a team of psychiatric professionals.
grim

>>712426096
They've taken a couple of swings at Mournhold and they were shit apparently, nobody wants to touch that place so it'll probably be the last thing they do.

>>712426096
>>712426380
They tried to redo Mournhold at least two times now, and it almost killed TR each time

>>712421474
>I'm now in my mid-30's and very powerful
Fate of all morrowboomers :(

>>712426096
Probably because creating stuff from whole cloth is a lot easier than having to adapt a massive capital city that was already explored in the original game AND having to make sure everything lines up like it should. For example there's a good chunk of the Tribunal expansion where Mournhold (And by extension, all of Almalexia) is being hit by an ash storm. It's unheard of and in Mournhold all the NPCs react to it like you'd expect. Then you'd have to put amateur assets/questlines up against professional official stuff. It's a recipe for disaster. Plus, as the capital of Morrowind and the seat of the Kingdom and one of it's major deities you'd really have to go all out. I'm not surprised people are making maps for Anvil or Kvatch instead, those are relatively low stakes.

>>712426380
Plans have changed - they're confident in their ability to deliver a big city after Narsis and they have a much more sensible concept of redistributing DLC stuff around the new city rather than trying to build the whole thing around og Mournhold. Indoril will come after Redoran lands and Dres will be the last thing they do (with Telvanni redo mixed in somewhere along the line).

>A bunch of people that started browsing after 2012 try to discuss the history of TES and /v/
humorous
no no go on ahead and keep calling each other newfags while spouting lies its funny

>>712426969
>Then you'd have to put amateur assets/questlines up against professional official stuff
This is Tribunal we're talking about, it's not exactly a high bar and the TR team have more than proven that they can shit all over everything Bethesda has done.

>>712411607
Documented history is like 4000 years or some shit, an utterly significant amount of time in the grand scale of things.

Do you guys use any combat mods?
I have Sol's combat pack and Harder Better Faster Stronger
At least now enemies can actually kill me and i have to time my attacks but otherwise it's still not great
Glory to the Empire

>>712427121
there's a guy who keeps shilling his combat setup but i haven't tried it

>>712166223

Is there any reason not to use OpenMW for a first playthrough?

>>712426969
>Then you'd have to put amateur assets/questlines up against professional official stuff
I'd argue the TR team is above the rushed stuff from Tribunal by now. Hell, I'd argue that the new Hlaalu stuff is better than the Vvardenfell questlines of any house.

>>712427904
not unless there's a MWSE mod you really want

>>712427116
Stone age empires (If you can really call them that) aren't really analogous to a post-Iron Age federalized Empire. Especially if they're pre-literacy and/or pre-agriculture, which is what sites like Gobekli Tepe imply. It's an interesting concept, like what the united Ashlanders would be if the player had to actually govern them, but the Empire has a complex bureaucratic structure fitting an advanced civilization.

I think this debate is somewhat stupid though, like yeah it'd be hard for a real life empire to form in a dense, tropical jungle and historical examples like the Thai or the Khmer or the Dai Viet civilizations mostly clustered around what easily clearable terrain existed, but it's still fun to imagine a Cyrodil province that's a lot less "General English Countryside" and has more of the weird or alien aesthetics from Morrowind. Could that civilization take over and maintain a continent spanning empire? Probably not, but this is a setting with magic and lizard people, you can bend realism.

I love how Vivec in lore is this mythical and menacing deity then you meet him in the game and he's just a funny gay man

>>712428656
There really isn't any consistent upward trend in administrative capacity of states until you get into the past few hundred years. Ur III, Assyria, and especially Ptolemaic Egypt all did a lot more direct administration than e.g. the Roman Principate

i wish the guar mod was updated, it's just a moving chest at this point

do things get broken if you update tamriel rebuilt with an existing save?

>>712429598
Yup. I managed to double everything

>>712429237
I think it sells how much the general power of the Almsivi has declined since their heyday. The doomsday cultists were right, they're on their way out. Would've been nice to have an option to bring Vivec along for the final battle since he's the only one who actually tries to help you. He doesn't strike me as cowardly but maybe he also fears his waning divinity like Almalexia.

>>712429283
Yes but this is relative to a culture that has no complex writing system and may even lack a formal hierarchy beyond immediate familial ties. When I say "advanced" I mean they have a formalized governmental structure governed by set laws and they collect taxes in a uniformed, centralized currency rather than just in grain/feudal levies. Pre-history civilizations would only resemble this in the most superficial of ways.

>>712429598
Depends on how big of a jump you're making. Repairing your saves with Wrye Mash should fix most issues.

>>712354106
You just know the Padomaic Isles will be kino. The devs can go completely crazy with isolated islands.

>>712382071
Yes a jungle nation, in which many resources would be near impossible to access, would have no incentive to seek access to the resources of other nations. You are very intelligent.

>>712370110
>Seething at Skyrim for being the better game
Kek

>>712430278
only if they can hold themselves back from adding in a bunch of cringe furry shit

>>712355659
when I was 16 I was tested at 126, and I consider myself a dumbass.
consider your opinion and intelligence revoked, anon.

>>712399273
Strident Coast is such a tiny part of Cyrodiil, but it's so rich in content it felt like a whole another game. Anvil is easily my favorite Tamriel Rebuilt expansion since the project first started. I can't imagine what the other Cyrodiil expansions will bring. I mean, this is Anvil, one of the most boring places in Colovia. Just how good will the Nibenay be?
>>712399787
Anyone who criticizes this is stupid. Khmer had a real jungle empire and they were based.

>>712430278
The TR stuff is at its best when it's grounded in stuff already mentioned in the OG game or PG, though. This archipelago stuff is clearly where the tranny autists have been detained

>>712431391
most of it looks genuinely great but they also have fags pushing to add absolutely heinous shit like this: https://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/asset/pi-gaurong-dog-men

>>712432906
>created by someone named MammaHyena
really makes you think

>>712432906
>>712433179
>it's a blonde "woman" from Scandinavia
Activates the almonds, truly.

But on another note, that artist has made over 50 brilliant tapestries and coats of arms for High Rock, Skyrim and Hammerfell. He's invaluable to the projects.

But yeah Padomaic Isles kinda sound mid. It's a Morrowind but uncorrupted rehash mixed with a boring Okinawa but... exactly Okinawa. And then there's a few stupid ideas like this npc race. It'll be an okay expansion but a far cry from all other projects.

>>712433812
How is High Rock looking? Any good?

>>712433812
yeah im actually scandinavian and i can tell you for a fact that there is next to 0% chance that a real bio woman from here would work on morrowind

>>712434298
It'll be good. Taniquetil or whatever the name is just a mage fanboy and a mid quest designer. But the lore especially stuff revisiting Shadow Key in the first release will be interesting. Too early to talk about factions yet. Development hasn't gone that far yet.

Thank you Oblivion for making everyone think Hlaalu are a bunch of necrophiles

Is it just me or the TR team has a Hlaalu bias?

>>712436089
Not really, it just so happens that the team really came into their stride with the Hlaalu content. They started with Telvanni lands after all.

>>712432906
Looks like a furfaggot's wettest dream. At least the doberman man looks cool.
>>712433179
Hyenas are nature's futas.
>>712434330
What about Emma? The one who made the very first companion mods and even collaborated with Terry Pratchett? Is she German in Sweden or a Swede in Germany? I can't tell.
>>712434589
It's literally a one bitch who's into vampires. Well, Skyrim tricked normies into believing that Redoran are the good guys.

>>712345250 (OP)
ok

>>712441348
By Almsivi, please turn that vignette off

>>712429551
Which one? Guar Whisperer?

>>712346378
>FPBP
Morrowind shills are by now the most insufferable assholes at /v/, tied with NV trannies and Blizzdrones shilling modern wow and diablo.

>>712417482
>loving skyrim and todd is le chud
Every single time, Jesus Christ in heaven, this is brainrot.

>>712382318
I always tried to slip in some Rolston and Goodall jerkoff over the years when Kirkbride was the byword for Morrowind for a couple decades. For me the thing that really intrigued me about Morrowind was the intersection of the points of view about the Battle of Red Mountain from all the different factions and afaik that's Ralston.

>>712374795
>>712375665
Souls slop. Picrel.

>>712382867
NTA. I use it, and it doesnt update map after i upgrade TR on existing save. Only by rolling a new char did it display/work. So my old save is kinda fucked in that regard. Local map works fine though.
And yes, i tried "switching it off and then switching it on" - did not work. And wrye mash did work, but completely fucked the map with blue grid lines centered on Vvardenfell.

>>712386052
Cool stuff, but can you grab that box though?

Why TR achieved so much and Beyond Skyrim so little ? Skyrim has a much bigger modding scene yet they didn’t produce anything except Bruma

>>712445471
Because Beyond skyrim was activelly sabotaged by TR trannies infiltrated at the morrowind project, some were even slipping BE GAY in daedric painted in wood boxes

hey bros I remember read that Tamriel Rebuilt adds some new spells that's only supported with MWSE and not OpenMW, is this still the case?

>>712445932
Yes

>>712445471
I think it's just harder to make content when everything needs to be more detailed and you need voice acting. It's similar to Doom still getting more high quality modded maps than more recent shooters.

>>712445471
A number of reasons but I think it comes down to the simple fact that TR has been around a lot longer. It's also worth noting that Skyrim requires a lot more painstaking detail like dialogue cutting, npc schedules and navmeshing

>>712445471
Morrowind is, in a lot of respects, a much more primitive game than Skyrim. You don't need voice-acting, you don't need to make NPC schedules, etc.

>>712445991
:(

>>712445471
We'll be releasing everything at once autism. They'd probably release something by now if they were working like TR
>>712446037
>>712446090
>>712446202
There are great mods for skyrim made by one person or a small team in a fairly short period of time
You overestimate how much harder it is to make mods for Skyrim than Morrowind, especially considering that TR and PT are just so much bigger and more fleshed out than Beyond Skyrim

>>712445608
TR has no trannies

>>712446296
don't worry, its just two and they're completely pointless

>>712446398
>You overestimate how much harder it is to make mods for Skyrim than Morrowind
This is true to extent but there are some aspects of Skyrim modding such as asset development that are considerably more complex and time intensive and require far greater skill.
>>712446856
>TR has no trannies
Lol, lmao even.

>>712446856
It does, but the project's dedication to lore-friendliness is so strong they just know to keep that shit under control

>>712382071
>Cyrodiil being an endless jungle would make for a horrible place for an empire to sprout from.
do we tell him?

>>712446856
Of course they're using autist/tranny labor, but they're somehow kept in line. It's truly amazing.

>>712448384
They're still woke as fuck, placing random Redguards everywhere, especially in Anvil.

>>712447652
>some aspects of Skyrim modding such as asset development that are considerably more complex and time intensive and require far greater skill.
Most Beyond Skyrim projects have relatively few original assets compared to TR. Like I said it's much smaller and less detailed than the Morrowind mods. Not to mention that quality of unique assets for Beyond Skyrim is pretty poor
You can install Beyond Bruma right now and see with your own eyes how 95% of all assets are taken directly from Skyrim and new armours look very meh
>>712448592
Anon... Anvil is literally on the border with Hammerfell

>>712446856
>TR project has no trannies
1004 reasons of why this anon is fag and a tranny enable

>>712448592
Anon, Anvil is a port city in a continent-wide Empire right next to Hammerfell, including a few major Hammerfell ports. It'd be weirder if there weren't a bunch of Redguards in Anvil.

>>712448298
>The egyptians
got kwabbed by desert niggas

>>712448298
idk why people hyperfixate on the jungle thing and not the geographical fact that being a country stuck directly in the middle of 7 others like that would almost certainly perma designate it to becoming THE RAPED

>>712448861
The other provinces are still dick-drunk from Tiber Gundam

>>712448384
>>712447714
they literally ban people who mispronounce or doesn't shill their degeneracy, some even project members.
one case was they banning off pisscord and project some hive workshop dudes who were helping with modelling because one of the project lead writers cut his dick off and began taking meds and they forced everyone to shill him, the hive guys said there is no reason for this kind of shit because it isnt on the project's topic at all and it was virtue signaling and politics.
said guy was also at the Beyond Morrowind project as writer, and one of the people sabotaging the project.

>>712449113
It unavoidable in this current day and age. Especially in autist/tranny/narcissist coded areas like modding. The product is still A-grade stuff without any overt trannyism

>>712441348
holy kino

>>712448592
Eh, Hammerfell is close enough that there are Rourken Dwemer ruins on the map so the Redguard presence doesn't bother me.
That said, one of my favorite Anvil dialogues comes from the Book Club quest where you wax geopolitics with a libtard Imperial who argues that Sutch is rightful Hammerfell clay and the local bandits are freedom fighters. You can either agree with him, intelligently critique him or simply tell him you don't care (I chose the last option.)

>>712449113
Why are you an ESL? Dalit?

>>712449432
yeah worst they've managed to do so far is to slip in a couple of gay quests

>>712449113
Oh okay, you got banned from their discord and now go around seething about it everywhere else. Imagine being this much of a fragile pussy lol
>SAARRRR

>>712448760
ARMBAR

>>712449432
>autists
>trannies
>narcissists
It's amazing how 90% of modders belong to one or more of thse categories

>>712449638
>>712449875
>pajeet

>>712450126
I mean- yeah, they're unpaid volunteers. Mental illness kind of required to do the level of work expected of projects like TR without any financial compensation.

>>712382546
>There are rightful complaints about Oblivion and Skyrim but the todd hate is unironically becoming reddit as fuck.
Always has been

>>712450689
*is kind of required

>>712345250 (OP)
Might be a dumb question but does a lot of content in Grasping Fortune require you to join the Hlaalu great house?

>>712451292
only hlaalu questline stuff

>>712450727
Todd hate is mostly Codex and NMA trannies pushing this shit and morrowfags embracing it too.

>>712402469
Jesus Christ, that is an abomination.

>>712451425
All the Hlaalu content in Narsis is Grandmaster oriented.
Do I become Hlaalu grandmaster at this point?

>>712441348
Fucking heinous. Way to ruin the game.

>>712448861
>mountains to the north and NE
>swamp to the SE
>big forest to the NW
The least defensive borders they have are around Valenwood and Elsweyr, and its from where the Thalmor eventually invaded

>>712449497
>>712452267
duality of man

>>712404070
>im ignorant therefore they dont count
weird flex but ok

>>712452267
Playing without the vanilla graphics is ruining the game, imo. Most of the screenshots I've seen look like everything is made of plastic, buildings look glossy and it looks like trash.

>>712451515
>Codex and NMA
What are these

>>712453853
NMA is an old Fallout site. They really got their panties in a twist back in 08 when Bethesda did what they did to Fallout

>>712436089
Nah, they've decided to do it house by house (mildly retarded), and have only gotten their shit together about a third of the way through Hlaalu.
I expect later releases to be just as content-rich and well done, assuming nothing blows the fuck up.

>>712411607
>Literally every Chinese dynasty
From the Song onwards the economic heart of China was the Yangtze, a fertile river valley surrounded by hilly subtropical jungle. Not equatorial but go for a hike in southern China and it will still feel pretty jungly.
China even matches the Colovian/Nibenese divide with martial wheat eating northerners and cultured rice eating southerners.

>>712453853
No Mutants Allowed and RPG Codex

>>712451515
They are your elders, show respect.

>>712454450
Those fags don't pay my bills and the only elder i respect is the Doomworld

>>712399985
Huh? Books in Morrowind itself describe them as wild elves who might not even be real because they're so rarely seen, why would they have settlements in walking distance of imperial towns?
They're not ashlanders, if they have any reachable living spaces at all it should probably be some mysterious space that's almost impossible to discover or enter. Like a sixteen tones of padhome-tier riddle to even find the entrance deep within a forest somewhere, then navigating a maze full of illusions

>>712454671
hasn't doomworld been taken over by trannies

>>712441508
fucking murder needs to be done to stop the trend of adding vignette filters to games, especially in sneak modes.

>>712454752
Yes, I don't know what is this dude about. The codex and nma are pretty much like in here. They are full of slavs, this should give you hints about how racist and trannyphobic they are. I mean, c'mon, compare the output: Age of Decadence vs MyHouse.wad.

This isn't even a tranny congregation general
It's a general dedicated to simping for trannnies.

>but trannies are unavoidable, so acshualy you're pathetic for avoiding trannies!
>haha you thought about them so I win!
Tranny Simp general

>>712402469
what is this? indie game filter?

>>712349827
Cyrodiil and Skyrim are perfect choices to explore. Aside from proximity, the more "normal" (they still have very unique and interesting cultures) regions helps make Morrowind's stand out as alien, and the Cyrodiils and Nords are the two people with some of the most history with the Dunmer. The Imperials are the Empire which shapes the modern Dunmer society. The Nords are their ancestral enemies. They work perfect.

>>712455072
>MyHouse
that shit is literally DBP and zdoom levels of garbage when HFFM exists and even doomworld shills it since /vr/ gets shit done

>>712448298
Tenochtitlan was located in an temperate valley surrounded by snow-capped mountains, not a jungle.

>>712367937
It's a good thing in the long run because it means the lands bordering Morrowind will be higher quality. Someday Anvil will be seen as old and busted because quality standards will rise, just like with TR.
Nibenay is harder to make, too. Depicting an actual jungle will be difficult. The newest mushroom forest area in TR feels fairly dense though so I bet it can be done.

>>712455301
They're also eminently more practical to do within the constraints of Morrowind. Walking trees and spaces that are conceptually suspended between Nirn and Jode would make the engine shit itself.

>>712454686
iirc they're the remnants of the Ayleid city states who allied with Alessia way back in the First Era. Reclusive, but still very much alive

>>712355659
>110
absolute midwit

>There's a working elevator in TR
Truly amazing

>>712426096
Those are different projects, they just use the same asset repositories for convenience.