Thread 712425584

>HP sponge bosses
>Delayed unnatural animations
>High damage and endless combos from bosses
>Platforming in a game not designed for platforming
>Core mechanics not obvious and not explained to the player (guard breaking)
>You have to autistically analyze animations and guard breaks because of bluff animations and poise bars not being shown to the player.
>Bosses have no resting windows and bullshit stamina bars; if they end their combo they backstep and move, out of reach
>Input lag
>Dogshit camera and target focus
>Dogshit hitboxes
>Multiple options that are worth nothing because only half are viable for bosses
>Broken skills and weapons that ignore the core mechanics. Instead of being a back and forth, this is a game of who can spam the most bullshit.
This is artificial difficulty. It's a meme of itself, like a corruption of old dark souls games. And you can't say any criticism because you get the "git gud" treatment.

There are a bunch of people that masturbate about difficult games, not caring about design. You know who they are.

Elden ring went wrong in all directions, it's literal slop for retards that think difficulty = good game. It's all about being in a club and I'm better than you attitude. Fighting game brain rot mentality has taken root in souls games.

Even the story and lore is a meme of itself, it's like a fanfic where everyone dies and there is no purpose to it.

If you like Elden ring more than the souls trilogy, you are a retard, plain and simple. Like a stupid baby entertained by cocomelon videos because colors or jingling keys because they are shinny and sounds. You prefer stupid artificial difficulty and wasting time instead of enjoying a good game because "it's more difficult".

>>712425584 (OP)
shut the hell up already you autistic retard

The problem is that they keep making the game faster and faster and adding more bullshit to keep the difficulty up but its still built on the same framework as Demon's Souls back from 2008. Souls combat needs a total rework from the ground up

>>712425809
this or just.. make a fucking slow game??! they Dark souls 3 was the end. forcing bloodborne's fast pace gameplay into dark souls was the end. DeS, DS1 and DS2 were slower paced. fast bosses? enemies? some. but not as hyper active insane as ER bosses and enemies. Ds3 was the end. the "member' dat thing from ds1?" everywhere while missing the entire point of the last game, that being the world is remade and built on the old ones ruins over and over and over again? nah just put anor FUCKING londo in the game

>>712425749
>First reply is a fromsoft drone with no arguments.
Delicious. You know I'm right. Everything I said in the post is true and you can't cope with it, so you insult.

Just git gud bro.

>>712425584 (OP)
>>HP sponge bosses
Get a good build
>Delayed unnatural animations
Skill issue
>High damage and endless combos from bosses
Dodge
>Platforming in a game not designed for platforming
Skill issue
>Core mechanics not obvious and not explained to the player (guard breaking)
Read items' descriptions
>You have to autistically analyze animations and guard breaks because of bluff animations and poise bars not being
shown to the player.
Skill issue
>Bosses have no resting windows and bullshit stamina bars; if they end their combo they backstep and move, out of reach
Again, skill issue
>Input lag
Your TV is shit with 50ms delay
>Dogshit camera and target focus
Are you retarded?
>Dogshit hitboxes
Stop missing your targets
>Multiple options that are worth nothing because only half are viable for bosses
Build issue
>Broken skills and weapons that ignore the core mechanics. Instead of being a back and forth, this is a game of who can spam the most bullshit.
Skill issue

>>712425584 (OP)
>Bro literally writes multiple paragraphs
>completely misses the main and biggest issue with the game
Bro. At least talk about how the entire world is filled with copy pasted content to pad the game all in the name of
>open world

>>712425584 (OP)
Margit is not that hard man, just learn to parry or watch his movements.

>>712426568
we can all get good. the question just comes down to was it fun? I'm just not having fun anymore with what they make anymore. I want the heavy knights in armor. Steel and Bronze, Sword and Sorcery, Ancient magic and monsters born or created by forces we can discover their history if we look. Now it feels like the 'lore' of items isn't just lost half remembered memories but just random bullshit with no payoff ever. bosses are all just giant explosions of color and sound all screaming "LOOK AT ME FOR I AM THE EPIC, I AM THE AWESOME BEING" and not everything is an awesome hyperspeed mega creature

>>712425584 (OP)
I love how fat retarded mommas boys who never leave the house think they have all the answers for how to make games when they probably can’t even look people in the eye irl when they speak.

Git gud

>>712426819
The problem is you in this equation. You want something the game is not offering you and perhaps don't like. I fucking love all of that, and I loved the game. Learned, can do Malenia casually and Consort with a few tries. If you want those things you said, you look for games with those things. Elden Ring is an epic about family feuds and multiple cosmological entities vying for a continent, this is not medieval and fantasy Albania.

>>712426568
>>712426679
>>712427035
These guys are baiting, but there are people that genuinely think like this. They could eat a turd if it was about "difficulty"
>>712426726
I was gonna talk about that too, but I can't be eternally writing. Elden ring is the SLOP game, cheap, cheap cheap.

>>712427095
I'm not denying you like it, I'm saying you are an idiot for liking it. Flies liking turds don't make it good, it just tells us about the nature of flies.

>>712425584 (OP)
I think you could learn to play better in the time it took to write all of this and draw that

>>712426679
>Your TV is shit with 50ms delay
And that causes 0.4 seconds of delay?

>>712427231
0 arguments again, see how they all take pride into being "difficult"?

They don't care about game design, they just want to masturbate.

>>712427289
the game design is excellent though.
arent you just baiting to see content?

Instead of being able to roll out of every attack it should play similarly to sekiro where you have like 4 different counters you need to be ready to use. So instead of bosses and enemies doing stupid delayed moves they can instead move fluidly and just have different moves that require different counters.

>>712427335
Read the OP again. Not a single lie there.

>>712427272
Came here to post this. When they randomly use the slowmo for no reason is so infuriating

>>712427272
>Not posting the actual animations but animations from a different game as a "metaphore"
Epic fail!

>>712427228
Perhaps is was my mistake trying to reason with a retard, not like your type of /v/ermin plays any games.

>>712427374
but you did lie?
aren't you just baiting for content?

>>712425584 (OP)
margit the fel omen is probably the best example of the games retarded animations that are designed with the explicit purpose of saying "fuck you" to the player, because the attack itself doesn't even make sense. He has that attack that he jumps up into the air with his weapon high then slams down with it at a steady rate until moments before impact where he freezes in mid air for another split second.
shit like that is straight up inexcusable

>>712425584 (OP)
>HP sponge bosses
Just fire giant, elden beast and dlc radahn, every other boss has the amount of hp you'd expect
>Delayed unnatural animations
overexagerrated complaint, biggest abuser is marget and maybe radagon, everyone else is normal
>High damage and endless combos from bosses
only applies to rellana
>Platforming in a game not designed for platforming
there's 1 section of difficult platforming and it's just to unlock an ending
>Core mechanics not obvious and not explained to the player (guard breaking)
?
>You have to autistically analyze animations and guard breaks because of bluff animations and poise bars not being shown to the player.
only enemy with a bluff posture break are those big birds, everyone else is fairly obvious when they start kneeling for you
>Bosses have no resting windows and bullshit stamina bars; if they end their combo they backstep and move, out of reach
1/5 combos maybe
>Input lag
true
>Dogshit camera and target focus
true
>Dogshit hitboxes
just wrong
>Multiple options that are worth nothing because only half are viable for bosses
way less than half but true
>Broken skills and weapons that ignore the core mechanics. Instead of being a back and forth, this is a game of who can spam the most bullshit.
just don't use the overpowered weapons

>>712427430
have you ever tried hitting them while they arent doing anything?
you can always stop and block when its time. Didn't you know that?

>>712427568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6srWuCPsefs
bravo miyazaki!

>>712427568
what doesn't make sense about it?
he has his own ashes of war anon.
don't you know what an ashes of war is?
you DO know there is another guy holding back the stars with gravity magic, right?

>>712427568
but that's how people actually used to fight irl before we became reliant on guns

>>712425584 (OP)
it's gonna be hilarious seeing these shit threads dissapear the moment tendietroons finally get to play ER

>>712427608
No, I mean in E33.

>>712427652
sloppy as fuck.
no sense of timing and wasting time on heavies and wandering around in front of him.
the only thing that is a legit pain in that clip is his light daggers

>>712427784
this is an elden ring thread anon.
didn't you realize that?

>>712427831
>this is an elden ring thread
I was replying to a E33 post

>>712427272
what a fucking atrocious animation.
the pacing, the keyposes. kill the pajeet who made that.

>>712427885
why?
this is an elden ring thread anon, didn't you know that?

>>712425584 (OP)
the problem is that iframes are a fundamentally overpowered and shallow mechanic (something which fans of the series literally cannot comprehend) and that's why the only way to make the games challenging is by adding increasingly unnatural timings to attacks.

>this thread again
Did some eceleb made a new video?

>>712427978
then dont overuse them?
anon don't you realize you can use positioning and parrying?
haven't you played the game?
parrying is really fun!

>blay souls with bro
>he knows the way
>it's sorta boring
play on my own
die a bunch to archers shooting me off narrow bridge
eventually learn the patterns & make it to end of path
some kinda flame boss
get major angery the times i fail
beat him after like 10 tries
never touch game again
>blay souls 2 (or 3? i forget)
>first hour in
>some kind samurai sword sitting on stairs
>absolutely impossible, must be later game.
>go the only other direction
>black slime enemy on rooftop
>cannot skip, majorly overtuned
>takes no damage, kills me in 1 hit
>spend like an hour trying to get past ordinary enemy
never touched a souls game again. it just isn't fun
later see newly created characters beating samurai guy naked with bed pan on their head? so fucking stupid.
>I roll as a blade passes through, i get hit
>youtuber roll as a blade passes through, invulnerability frames!

>>712425584 (OP)
You'll be happy to know they learned and dialed back on that massively. All the new Nightreign bosses don't have shit like that.

>>712428059
anon have you ever considered not sucking at the game or something?
the brains plasticity means you can improve and understand the mechanics at play that lets other people play the game instead of dying instantly.
don't you know how to get better at things?

>>712428154
>just dont suck
why didn't i think of that

>>712427674
if he can control gravity (which he doesn't and nothing about the character would lead anyone to believe this other than this single attack) why wouldn't he just jump up in the air and and slam down at mega speed for a huge impact which would be equally as surprising? Why would he choose to lose all of his momentum slowing down at the last moment just to flop on the ground lightly from a foot high.
no, you can't make it make sense no matter what mental gymnastics you try to do

>>712428272
well clearly you didnt, anon.
learning to time things takes practice and repetition, and more of it the more you suck.
it can even be fun if you just stop feeling bad about being a loser.

>>712428360
because its an ashes of war, anon.
when you get one for fire why dont you just perpetually ignite everything around you?
its a static move, silly!
haven't you played the game?

>>712428110
almost like all threads shitting on a game were made by the same trannoid subhumans (nintendo fans)

>>712428059
Sounds like 3, I think. Fun enough game but definitely not where you'd want to start playing souls games.

>>712428046
parries are iframes, and in fact they're even more shallow than dodges because they don't compromise your positioning, and reward you with free damage on top

>>712428750
>parries are iframes
parries aren't iframes, anon.
if they were you would become invincible whenever you did the animation.
anon, have you never actually parried?
don't you know how parries work?

>During ER and SotE kept reading about endless combos and "When is it my turn!" whining
>Get to the bosses myself and every single one had several windows where you could get a hit in even with my slow as greatsword weapon
>Even the prime example himself, Rahdan, had ample windows
Not only has /v/ become shit at games, they are also seemingly lethargic and with the reaction speed of a 70 year old.

>>712425584 (OP)
The stupid thing is OP, that Elden Ring wants you to go collect a bunch of overpowered shit right at the start.
Its the easiest level 1 run because its more dependent on items than levels.

>>712425584 (OP)
you should stick to your nintendo-slop

>>712428917
>Elden Ring wants you to go collect a bunch of overpowered shit right at the start.
no it doesnt?
it gives you the option if you suck at the game or want to get through things faster though.
anon don't you know you can beat the first boss and miniboss just fine by going straight forward?
HAVE you beaten them?

>>712428815
the hitboxes collide with correct timing, you become invincible. do you have an actual argument or is it just semantics? parries are the shallowest mechanic in video games.

>>712427892
Combat animations were made by Koreans.

>>712429037
but its not just hitboxes colliding anon?
you can parry wrong and be hit just like any other time when the hitboxes collide.
anon, I don't think you have parried before.
why are you trying to talk about parrying if you don't know how it works?

>>712429107
you are trying to defend a shallow mechanic by doing the equivalent of shuffling around papers on a desk

My favorite is when the enemy starts dodge-flailing like a fucking retard as well. This happens a ton is Souls games, it looks so different when they jump in the air and the just float 200ft left or right. Like who thought that looked good? No one. No one played the dogshit but retards dumb enough to buy it

>>712429165
anon, why arent you answering my question about parrying?
are you mad because you didn't know how it worked?
why get mad over not knowing how something in a video game works?

>>712429013
>pick samurai
>use longbow to kill grafted scion
>get his swords that have a holy buff
>proceed to level 1 the entire game up until draconic tree sentinel where you are forced to talk to melina and go to the roundtable hold to proceed
>this is without using summons
Did YOU beat those bosses? Some of the shit you pick up around the map is a permanent buff even without equiping it.

>>712425584 (OP)
All of this because they ran out of ways to fuck with your magical, spammable i-frame retard roll btw. They literally created their own demise in the gameplay the moment they decided to center the entirety of the combat around the retard roll, we've seen the consequences ever since and the worst part is that other companies just do the same since it worked for the glue-eating down syndrome people at fromsoft.

>got frustrated by game
congratulations you play game

>>712429321
yes?
I played a champion.
those swords aren't overpowered anon.
it sounds like you have a self esteem issue and don't realize how good you are at the game.
can't you see this poor man >>712429165
who is super defensive over being unable to parry?
the items werent overpowered, YOU were.
feel good about yourself, silly!

>>712429013
>no but actually yes

>>712429165
by the way anon if you are having trouble figuring out parrying I figured one of these videos might help
They looked like they were friendly for people like you so maybe if you watch them you can start to have some fun!

>>712425584 (OP)
>pic related
they forgot
>boss is facing straight
>do his dance, still facing straight ahead
>arm up and delay, still facing straigh ahead
>your roll on the side
>boss does an unnatural swing that hits at his side
truely peak game design

>>712428059
The black slime guys are very weak to fire

You can also sprint to the guy it pops out of and kill him before the slime emerges. Doesn't drop any loot though ans titanite shards are rare in high wall

>>712428818
>Get to the bosses myself and every single one had several windows where you could get a hit in even with my slow as greatsword weapon
It doesn't matter. You either press R1 twice for the light weapons outside of daggers or one heavy R1 from gs or ultra (no point in R1 because you can jump). And heavy R1s are better than light R1. Some windows are so fucked you can only swing 3 light R1 and two heavy R1. It's a total domination of heavy weapons.
>Endless combos and "When is it my turn!"
Reality of SotE.
You can't do anything against picrelated. She has 120 poise too. Your only option is to evade.
Malenia is great boss because despite her ability to cancel light stagger in phase 1 into dash (it was probably done to avoid easy R1 mashing) and bullshit canceling from any stagger into kick in phase 2, the fact that she has no poise and can be staggered makes her fight kino. You can play offensive. You can't prevent her attacks. This isn't the case for SotE cancer.

>>712429703
>boss who is a good fighter has practiced for people not taking his bait
>bad players be like: >:0

>>712429837
anon I don't think these people are ready to hear about type advantages.
that shits like pokemon for 8 year olds, tier.
thats some advanced shit.

>>712425584 (OP)
my only gripe with elden ring is how fucking boring the arenas are, I'd like at least 1 arena with a nice gimmick, even ds3 had the collapsing floor with the ballsack tree

>>712429321
>forced to talk to melina and go to the roundtable hold
I'm still seething about this. We should have been able to accompany Hyetta

>>712430000
Quads of constructive and valid criticism.

>>712430000
The majority of the dark souls 1 bosses in the image are dogshit.

All im hearing is
SKILL ISSUE

>also kek at hitboxes being listed, despite them literally only ever getting better in modern from games while getting shitter in any other game or old from games

>>712429703
>>712429957
>boss is actually employee
>does a dance, facing forward
>raises weapon, continues facing forward
>you roll behind him
>jolts backwards & body slams you into the office wall
"I want that positive review on my desk by Monday"

>>712425584 (OP)
The only thing bad about Elden Ring is the respawn time. Dying in 1 second in order to spend the next 40 seconds to retry the boss, feels NO DIFFERENT than quicksaving into a soft-lock.

Kingdom hearts was "better" in that you could just retry in seconds.

>>712425584 (OP)
>Summon my Knight Spirit to Tank
>Cast spells from the back
>Win

Git Gud

>>712426679
amazing how these peoplw always find excuses for poor game design.

>>712430000
>>712430191
>my only gripe with elden ring is how fucking boring the arenas are
I will never understand your kind. After open world junk fights in ER you still want le EPIC UNIQUE arenas so you can stuck everywhere and can't see shit behind the walls or can't hit bosses because of elevation junk? Are you insane? Did you play ER?

>>712430000
yeah, no arguments from me.
uneven ground at least would be nice.

>>712430187
anon are you ok?
are you well?
you sound incredibly angry over something that should be easily understood.

>>712429893
Yes this is why no one has ever beaten that boss. Very true.
Or, you were willing to learn the Malenia fight because it was a meme to beat it without cheeses. Then, you went into SotE feeling like big shit, only to find the DLC is pretty hard actually with attacks that are intended to be jumped over, and you are expected to explore and get scadu fragments. I actually find this boss easier than Malenia because I was never that interested in learning her, but I liked this boss's armor so I made myself learn her for my Lv60+15 build.

>>712430318
anon, being a poor player isnt bad game design, silly!

>>712430340
What the fuck am I reading.

>shit game design :(
>shit game design, but you beat it >:D
this mentality is PvP cancer.

>>712430440
>>712430386

>>712430337
I don't understand your criticism of his criticism.
>After open world junk fights
>you still want le EPIC UNIQUE arenas?
yeah?
> so you can stuck everywhere?
>and can't see shit behind the walls?'
>or can't hit bosses because of elevation jank?
no? I never had that issue in dark souls...

>>712430473
>automatically assuming every criticism is from a bad player
I'm a better gamer than you are.

>>712430550
>zero evidence
>>712430386

>>712430513
I dont think he understands how to keep control over his position in a fight, anon.

>>712429893
>>Endless combos and "When is it my turn!"
>Reality of SotE.
>You can't do anything against picrelated. She has 120 poise too. Your only option is to evade.
You can block.
You shouldn't do 100% evasion unless you've fully mastered the game. Blocking is a core mechanic, it always was. And it's a very strong option, especially so in Elden Ring in particular.

>>712430513
>I never had that issue in dark souls...
You had. We all had. Don't lie. You have carpa and taurus demon on the screencap. Plus dark souls bosses look like a normal mobs compared to complexity and speed of modern From bosses. Good arena is flat arena.

>>712430668
>I dont think he understands how to keep control over his position in a fight, anon.
>>712430691

>>712430691
wow, that looks like a very offensive playstyle anon.

>>712429893
bro why did you lie about not being able to play offensive?!
did you forget how to block, bro?

>>712430691
>Blocking is a core mechanic, it always was
My character doesn't use block because it's not his build and it's not core mechanic like deflection from Sekiro or jumping. I know blocking is broken too and that guard counters are so strong they can trivialize all encounters in ER and SotE.

you can roll 10x more now so the bosses need to hit 10x more as well, this is just the gay path that fromsoft chose to continue with their releases after DeS and DS1

two souls players

>guy that says "skill issue" despite cheesing every fight in the game using zero-effort wiki builds (easy mode)
>guy that says "artificial difficulty" but plays fucking glass cannon in a blind playthrough expecting to i-frame everything first try in a game that has literal invisible AoEs

>>712430929
>My character doesn't use block because it's not his build
If your character is holding something, you can block.

>>712430762
is that supposed to mean anything?
that guy, assuming its you, didn't control his position because he avoided even needing to do anything but swivel.
he never maintained a position and let the boss come to him, nor did he chase it and lose control over his position.
he was neutral.


>>712430929
>block is not a core mechanic but its also OP
it sounds more like you chose to handicap your player by refusing to use a mechanic for no good reason anon.
blocking has been in the games longer than jumping, silly.

>>712431032
>using zero-effort wiki builds (easy mode)
I found all of my builds myself. That's the game.
Some are easy and obvious and others are less immediately obvious. But why the fuck would you need to look them up online?

>>712431047
It has limited application. Especially if you use dual weapons.

>>712431126
how did you never "find" the ability to block while holding something, then?

>>712430738
>complexity and speed of modern From bosses
yeah and they suck ass. I hate how From is pivoting into a fighting game.
Unless it's AC6, which is fine.

>>712431151
>blocking against the wrong enemy at the wrong time when you had better options
isnt that just you not knowing when to use block?

>>712425584 (OP)
True, Elden Ring is by far From's worst game. Overrated piece of shit that gets utterly mogged by DS3 and even DS2 is better. ER has 0 great bosses, dogshit open world, and maybe 1 or 2 good soundtracks, everything else is just forgettable slop.

>>712431151
>Especially if you use dual weapons.
I mean. Going from dual wielding to two-handing is very quick.

>it sounds more like you chose to handicap
No. Do not enforce playstyles on me in RPG game, lowercase poster.
Now try to farm (You)s with mimic and ashes.

>>712431241
anon why would you lie like this?
aren't you just looking for responses?

>>712431276
>pressing a button is a playstyle
anon, its not hard to block if its the better option.
are you SURE you even know what a block is?
its not complicated.

>>712431241
>ER has 0 great bosses
fuck you, Godrick is BASED and FUN.
His arena has falloff zones and elevation.
You can use all kinds of mechanics. Jumping over shockwaves, evade flames and whirlwinds. Also it's kino. He's just fun.

>>712431229
>isnt that just you not knowing when to use block?
That webm is an excellent example of blocking. He survived Waterfowl easily and only took minimal damage. The health she recovered will easily be made up for the moment she is stance broken.

>>712425584 (OP)
I think a big thing holding the Souls games back is the story. They all have this rich lore and in-depth story, but that can be completely ignored (which I guess is the point, right, having players seek it out as a reward). I just feel like keeping key story details on fucking item descriptions is fucking bizarre.

>>712431380
if you considered that inefficient use a success, why post it when you are trying to talk about it having limited applications?
Anon by your standards heavy attacks have limited applications

>>712431272
It's cool with deflection tear. Paired weapons have very low guard and giant amount of stamina consumption for no reason. Stamina is like Vit in DLC after all.

>>712431467
but you just said why its not holding them back in your first sentence...?

>>712431495
>if you considered that inefficient use a success
Dying 50 times to Waterfowl because you tried to be some le epic pro gamer doing nothing but rolling even though you don't know how to. Is a lot less effective than trading blows by blocking like that. A lot less effective.

I just don't like when trial and error is expected but still punished. It's designed for literal masochists.

>>712431703
>I just don't like when trial and error is expected but still punished.
Play more carefully. Don't be a roll-only-retard.

>>712431702
what?
you just move and do a few rolls so you go behind her.

>>712431867
>you just move and do a few rolls so you go behind her.
Oh yeah bro. I'm sure you 1st tried Malenia just like that. I kneel.

>>712432291
>coming up with a strategy means you did it in one try
anon, why are you jumping to a hyperbole in response to being told the answer?
are you mad or something because it wasn't as "epic pro gamer" as you thought?
its practice and repetition to get the timing down, just like anything else that requires timing.
does the thought of practicing make you mad or something?

>>712430691
nigger, in that gif you ate damage, that's not sustainable

>>712431703
That's what estus where for but now enemies comboe you and one shot you because artificial difficulty.
>All attacks now remove all of your health

>>712430318
>>712427142
Millions managed to finish the game so clearly the game isn't really hard.

>>712426819
>was it fun

Yes it was :) Did you try getting gud?

>>712433030
anon don't you know that you can level up vigor if you don't want to have to play perfectly?

>>712432425
>anon, why are you jumping to a hyperbole in response to being told the answer?
>are you mad or something because it wasn't as "epic pro gamer" as you thought?
Right back at you.
You called the safe, sloppy but reliable, non-perfect approach. "Inefficient" compared to the
>lololol dodge-only let's slam my face against the boss a hundred times until I've mastered the timing
Doing that is chasing some needless le epic "pro gamer" ideal. Meanwhile you might actually first-try the boss if you use all of your options. Block. Don't only dodge. Allow yourself to take predictable but manageable damage instead of all-or-nothing dodge or die hits.

But for some reason you call that inefficient and then you claim that I'm mad when I just find you very confusing.

i signed up for ps plus to finally beat demons souls and ER and demons souls is like my favorite game of all time
i am not enjoying ER, its just not fun and the fights aren't good. so many recycled bosses and the level design/areas are so generic and soulless
>>712428017
i think nightreign release made people go pick up ER. theres a lot of people playing right now i see ghosts everywhere

>>712434309
inefficient isnt a hyperbole, anon.
did you never learn what the word means?
aren't you just finding my words confusing because you don't know what some of my words mean?

>>712432815
That damage could have been avoided by blocking while walking backwards. But since it was the first time I fought her I didn't know that and used my spear instead.

>>712434432
>inefficient isnt a hyperbole, anon.
>did you never learn what the word means?
Calling me mad or something while spouting "epic pro gamer" shit, is hyperbole however. At least more so than whatever hyperbole you accused me of jumping to.

And you completely ignored the substance of my post. Typical.
But dodge-or-die is less efficient than playing carefully and blocking or using whatever other odd methods of surviving other than dodging.

>>712434691
oh man anon you really DONT know what a hyperbole is, do you?
look man its really simple.
a hyperbole is a massive overexaggerating of something, usually in a comedic fashion.
calling a strat that takes damage when you didnt have to inefficient is not hyperbolic.
My dude they used to teach this in elementary school, how do you not know this?

>ignored the substance of my post
the substance of your post was you being defensive because I called your damage taking strategy inefficient.
I ignored your "point" because the idea of the rolls being "do or die epic gamer strats" is just more hyperboly.
its just some basic timing and positioning, man, calm down.

>>712434946
>calling a strat that takes damage when you didnt have to inefficient is not hyperbolic.
And I never said it was hyperbolic. I said it wasn't inefficient.
Why are you being retarded on purpose?

>>712435102
>"I never said it was hyperbolic"
>"you completely ignored the substance of my post"

Elden Ring has bad combat because large bosses don't react to being hit. There is zero interaction initiated by the player's own actions.

Also this >>712429346

>>712426568
pfft
git a brain.

>>712435208
>>"I never said it was hyperbolic"
Yeah I didn't. Are illiterate?
What part of >>712434691
>Calling me mad or something while spouting "epic pro gamer" shit, is hyperbole however.
is me claiming that it was hyperbolic to call it inefficient? It's dumb to call it inefficient, but I never said it was hyperbolic.

>>712431032
prophetic

>>712431158
>how did you never "find" the ability to block while holding something, then?
But I did. I'm not the anon(s) crying about the game being unfair somehow.

>>712435489
anon... I think you don't know how to read on top of not knowing what hyperbole is.
crashing out like this because someone criticized your blocking is slightly autistic.
are you insecure because you settled on that strat after realizing you sucked at timing rolls or something?
is that why you used the same style of refusing to roll here?>>712430691

dude. dont be insecure over finding a way to compensate for your weaknesses and make things work for you just because someone stumbled into them.

>be dogshit at souls
>like cool knights with cool weapons exploring cool dungeons and fighting cool monsters
>force myself to beat the game despite being shit at it
>love it so much keep replaying it several times
>4th or 5th ER run
>try to go to margit at low lvl
>get my ass handed to me as if I didn't have 3k hours across fromsoft titles
>like 10+ deaths and then gave to level some more
In terms of difficulty, it went for me like DS1<2<3<ER. DS2 and DS3 are probably the most tedious ones because they let you skip the least amount of content.

>>712435736
>anon... I think you don't know how to read on top of not knowing what hyperbole is.
You already displayed your utter retardation here >>712435208. You're just wrong. And that's that.
Calling me insecure or ignorant won't change that. You were incorrect. You tried to retort. You failed to so horribly. And when your failure was pointed out you're now just resorting to calling me ignorant and insecure. Not a good look.

>>712430691
>you can use one cheese setup that trivialises the mechanics the game is built around, therefore the game is not built around those mechanics
it's boring to try to have a discussion with elden ring fanboys. of course if you tell them that the point they're making is not valid, they'll accuse you of moving goal post, when the goal was never reached to begin with.
anyway I have given up on having these discussions about game design, I'll just buy what appeals to my own preferences going forward, and souls-likes are not one of those things. it's a damn shame though that they dominate the action game market now though, because they're super easy to make thanks to their shallowness.

>>712436136
Anon I wasn't wrong with what I said.
Trying to resort to semantics out of this insecurity is pathetic dude.
There is nothing wrong with finding a way to meattank your way through damage while piling on so much that it does not matter.
And yet here you are freaking out because someone called it inefficient?
Dude. own your fucking accomplishments XD

anyway. back to trying to beat ER. apparently the next boss is a fucking nightmare, the fire giant

>>712430000
>play dark souls 3
>half the arenas are filled with chairs
>boss needs to path through a chair
>it explodes
>you walk backwards into a previously off camera chair
>it blocks you
I prefer the empty circles ngl

>>712436336
>Anon I wasn't wrong with what I said.
What did I say was hyperbolic? It wasn't what you pointed to in >>712435208. So why did you post >>712435208?
And you're still going.

>>712437363
And you continue to prove me right....
dude. you took my post and called it hyperbolic while using a few words to summarize it.
we both know what you meant, stop being childish.
Why are you so insecure over this?

>Boss raises arm
>Lifts handheld weapon higher
>One final stretch, he's about to swing i just know it-
*Kicks you with foot*
>10/10 reviews, game of the year
>Endless "get good" flexing on people who feel it's imbalanced
>Streamers treat it like a right of passage
>Spawns hundreds of unrewarding, 'rogue-lite' titles that punish buyers
>Cryptic ass world building story, takes itself way seriously. Every line of dialogue trying to sound grand scope deep & meaningful
>Encounters with "God" in their name, defeated by a naked rolling guy drinking orange soda
This game is bullshit, fucking BULL SHIT. This game is boo-shit, this gay aim.. is far king pool shit.
"So exactly how good is this game"
Don't even look at me! You're distract me, SEE LOOK WHAT YOU DID!
poo shit.
>You are being invaded!
Nooooo! No... Noho, no.

Bless this great warrior!
Umbasa, sunny D. She poured this all over me, delicious.

MY FINAL VERDICT FUCK THIS GAME

>>712437479
>you took my post and called it hyperbolic
But I didn't. Why do you keep insisting that I did?

Only people who beat consort radahn solo may share their opinion hence forth.

I would rape miquella

>>712437671
So what, you backed yourself into a corner so much that all you have left is denial in as few words as possible?
Dude. Grow up a little, its just a video game XD

>>712437858
Not an opinion.

>>712437915
You just reposted the same image. Where the thing I'm calling hyperbolic is something else entirely.
At this point I don't even think you're being retarded. You're clearly just shitposting.
That or you're the one who is being insecure.

>>712438394
Why wouldn't I repost the image?
Nothing has changed, you are still running in circles to avoid being the slightest bit wrong.
I am seeing a pattern here.
You got super defensive over not rolling and now you are getting super defensive over misusing the word hyperbole.

>>712438394
its a strange thing.
if you weren't insecure you would probably have rebuffed the idea of rolling by saying that your build makes you too heavy to effectively roll out of her shit.
instead you RAN like mad away from that to try to dismiss rolling entirely as some "epic gamer shit" entirely again and again and again.
You didn't want to admit that you were bad at something?
Despite finding a way around it to beat the boss anyways?????????

>>712438550
You're the one who went on a dozen long reply chain just because I said "right back at you" when you said >>712432425
>are you mad or something because it wasn't as "epic pro gamer" as you thought?
And you're being hyperbolic too. Just not in the same way. All I did was sarcastically say >>712432291
>Oh yeah bro. I'm sure you 1st tried Malenia just like that. I kneel.
But you're genuinely far, far more likely to 1st try Malenia if you block and play carefully. Than if you try to be "epic pro gamer" and 100% dodge.

But instead of addressing my actual claim of how blocking and playing carefully is actually more efficient than trying to be le epic pro gamer and doing nothing but dodging. You've instead tried to hound me on supposedly misusing the word hyperbole while accusing me of being insecure.
For what purpose?

The Looney Tunes-style martial arts of the bosses, which are almost comical, is an exaggeration that only needs to exist mainly because of the generous iframes during rolls. I haven't played Bloodbourne much (just the first area), but I noticed that the battle dynamics there are quite different. Someone with more experience could tell us if the fact that there is no rolling as a way to dodge attacks contributed to this. If so, then it's easy to "fix" these games, just remove rolling entirely and design the bosses based on a different set of player movements.

Note: Another thing is that if you approach Elden Ring as a pure action game, the experience becomes a total disaster. You need to engage with the RPG mechanics, even if you don't want to use things that completely trivialize all combat, such the summons. You should at least use some of the other tools that the game puts at your disposal because the pure action is simply bad.

>>712439125
>You're the one who went on a dozen long reply chain
anon that was both of us, and you said that because you got defensive over the idea of rolling to avoid melania's waterfowl.

You are shifting the goalposts entirely now to make it about beating the boss on first try when nobody was talking about that.

>For what purpose?
because you are wrong and in need of correction.
and a puzzle I wanted to solve.
Now I have solved you, so yay! :D

I don't know WHY you are such an insecure faggot about this but that wasnt part of the puzzle for me.

>>712425584 (OP)
you can tell a lot about the cycology of a dev by the meta in a game.

I love when people cry about Elden Ring bosses because they got feinted by a literal bot.

>>712425584 (OP)
It's not that hard to read a wiki for a good build.

Just git gud.

I used Mimic Tear on Malenia and stun locked her to death. It was the easiest shit in the game. Literally 2nd try purely because on the first attempt she starts the fight right next to you leaving no room to spawn mimic or buff up.
That being said Margit must have pushed me off the edge of that cliff at least 10 times.

>>712440963
>Game becomes fun and easy when you break and ignore the mechanics of the game
That's exactly what I'm taking about in the op. The "strat" with bosses is to spam broken spells and break the AI with ghosts making it focus on the NPC and not focusing on the player.

That's not gameplay, It's dogshit design.

>>712441183
>i want no challenge at all i want everything easy i want a movie
git gud

>>712439515
>You are shifting the goalposts entirely now to make it about beating the boss on first try when nobody was talking about that.
Nobody?

You called it inefficient to block compared to rolling >>712431495.
I replied by claiming that dying over and over trying to dodge is less efficient compared to blocking and dying far less >>712431702.
Then you replied all cheekily insinuating that dodging waterfowl is basic bitch stuff >>712431867, implying that dying over and over from dodging is silly or unrealistic.
Seeing that I responded to your claim of it being simple with >>712432291
>Oh yeah bro. I'm sure you 1st tried Malenia just like that. I kneel.
Because blocking Malenia is still ultimately a lot simpler than dodging and I'll die on this hill.

Then instead of addressing the substance of this retort, you attacked me for jumping to hyperbole and accused me of being mad for the strategy not being "epic pro gamer" enough.
And that's what I replied "right back at you" with >>712434309. After which you've accused me of nothing but misusing the word hyperbole and being insecure. Ignoring the actual substance of all of my posts.

>>712441183
Beating it normally is satisfying after the struggle.
Getting filtered and spending half an hour searching for ways to cheese it is also fun.

If you didnt beat Malenis alone, with no spirits, then you didnt beat her. Just a reminder.

this is all you need to break elden ring ai. this is basically every fight when viewed from above.

the red part is the enemy, hit this part to deal damage.

the yellow part is where you take damage. if you leave this section (green) the enemy will start walking towards you to pull you into yellow again.

green is gay. if you're not ranged you can't hit the enemy so you're wasting time and dps. you can roll in here forever and feel literally nothing in your life. enemy will look at you like a queer until you sip flask and he'll try to deal damage so you regret using a flask.

blue is the retarded autism zone. If you go here, the enemy will do the sakuga animation to force you back into yellow and you'll take damage. You *have* to go here if you're a pussy who hates jumping over AOEs.


the formula is basically:
if the player is in yellow, do yellow slop.
if the player is green, do green slop.
if the player is in blue, do blue slop.

if you do nothing, the enemy will just walk up to you, and you'll be in yellow.

if you're a pussy, you'll try to always to do circles in green. green is where you end up by rolling a single time in any direction except forwards (yellow).

if you're a metafag you will go to blue after *every* hit. It usually takes TWO backward rolls to get to blue. doesn't matter if you're in yellow or green it still takes two rolls to enter blue.

so with all that, you can fag out the AI by just skipping rings. An example:
>stand in yellow
>hit the guy
>roll twice to enter blue
>enemy freaks out and does blue slop
>free hit in blue
>do nothing to enter green
>enemy freaks out and does green slop
>free hit in green
>do nothing to enter yellow
>enemy freaks out and does yellow slop
>free hit in yellow
>roll twice to enter blue
>repeat

>>712441821
Not only did I beat her she didn't even touch me. Sorry you had to struggle for hours tho.

>>712442118
>but anon, I can't handle specific slop
then don't go there. easy.

>>712442129
Your bot did the work. If you take a taxi, do you say you drove the car?

>>712441257
more crashing out.
more getting defensive and revealing more emotional turmoil over not rolling.
>you insinuated it was basic shit!
then why were you saying I was talking epic pro gamer bullshit XD
yeah. a solved puzzle is far more boring.

>>712425584 (OP)
>guy does roll catch attack
>game expects you to run or poke at him for damage
>average soulsbourne player so conditioned into spamming roll they just get hit over the head by it over and over
There's maybe two or three attacks that can't be easily dodged on animation start. There's no reason you should start flailing around as soon as they get into position.

>>712425584 (OP)
Word.
For me, all souls games come down to this bullshit:
>shit camera control
>input lag
With input lag being the worst. I tested it on 3 keyboards, and 4 gamepads. Yeah, it is there, and its very bad.
All of them would be better if the following were removed
>tracking
>target lock
>no stamina for bosses
>i-frames
And following were fixed/improved:
>environmental collisions for enemies
>hitboxes

As for
>this is a game of who can spam the most bullshit
It was already in DS3. ER just rolled with it.

>>712425749
FPBP

i don't understand why people parrot the delayed attacks thing. when a boss in any action game has a big wind-up for an attack I just keep hitting them until they actually attack. i might get hit the first time I see it since I don't know the timing, but after that it's just a free opening for big damage.

>>712443194
it's just rollslop mentality. they expect to either standstill and parry, or standstill and roll through it.they attack twice a year and get uninstall when they take damage.

>>712429893
>Your only option is to evade.
Ok? You mean like the vast majority of bosses in the entire series? Waiting until Elden ring to whine about the game being a series of "My turn, Your turn" is retarded as it was the same for fucking Dark souls.

>>712425749
Wow, wasn't expecting a FPBP, but here we are.