Thread 712469089

>You see a game criticizing capitalism
>Look at the price
>$80

>>712469089 (OP)
One of the worst fucking trailers for a video game I've ever seen.

>>712469089 (OP)
>You see a game
>Look at the price
no i don't

I hate games that all got the same name
>outer wilds
>outer worlds
>big boi presents: idlewilds
like I dont even know what fucking game it is, oh is this outer wilds or outer worlds, bitch we aint know

Based socialist comrades destroying capitalism from within with these ridiculous prices

>>712469089 (OP)
thanks for sharing this twitter screen cap of a 4chan screen cap

>>712469089 (OP)
How Meta.

>>712469245
The deep dive finally made me understand that we need to kill millennial writers.

>>712469089 (OP)
>sequel
kek

>>712469680
NOOOOO JOSH SWEDON IS GEN X SO IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT EVERY SINGLE MILLENIAL FAGGOT COPIES HIS SHTICK AND MAKES IT XHEIR WHOLE PERSONALITY NOOOOOO (also i am 35 years old but look 15 and i bang 1000 zoomettes everyy weekend)

>>712469680
we have to slaughter them all, it's the only way

>>712469572
>greentext isn't green
>meme arrows misaligned

Okay now someone tweet this then screenshot it and post that back here

it's perfect commentary actually
>dev wants to sell the game at a reasonable price so everyone can play
>suits that had nothing to do with the development forces high prices

>>712469967
post it on bluesky first
then on twitter
then on iFunny
then on reddit
then on discord
then on BBC /gif/ thread

>see a game glorifying feudalism
>you can't obtain it through labor

>>712469089 (OP)
>You see a post on /v/
>Look at the image
>X the everything app

>>712470391
Cope. Leftists lack self-control, they cry about muh corporations while being the biggest consoomers. The Amish and Mennonites prove that living without consooming is possible even in le current year.

>>712470871
>Yet you live in society, curious!

>>712471018
Whatever helps you justify you being consumerist cattle i guess.

>>712470871
>The Amish and Mennonites prove that living without consooming is possible even in le current year.
I really gotta thank the Amish, my friend 100% legit believed that living without modern technology is just not possible anymore and that everyone would die at 30-40 without medicine, but they shut him up quickly when I brought it up.

It's crazy that if they didn't exist even more people would believe that as an absolute fact.

>>712471206
You aren't allowed to play pretend critique the system while you are part of one of the major oligarchies that controls it, no.

>>712469442
Also Out of Words from SGF

>>712471018
>>712471206
Again, the existence of the Amish proves muh Bors comic wrong. Leftists can't even do the simplest act of not buying expensive gadgets or have a billion subscriptions to internet celeb grifters.

There's no ethical consumption or commerce during capitalism so might as well charge what the game is worth.

It's millennial peddling a scam.
>I'll tell you how to break free of the evil capitalist
>Just buy my book series and you'll find out!
These niggers couldn't figure out making alternative systems. Indie games are a thing.

>>712471542
Curious!

>>712469089 (OP)
>communism is when no phone

>>712469442
Out of Worlds Horizons Odyssey featuring Whimsical black female

>>712471557
the game is worth the price the consumer pays for it. if nobody buys tow2 at 80 bucks, then clearly it wasn't worth that much money (and i genuinely doubt it'll be a huge success. it's no fucking mario kart)

There is nothing outside its reach.

Stop replying to these shitty x threads you fucking retards

>>712471795
Absolutely based.

>>712471557
>There's no ethical consumption
Okay, let's do that.

>>712469089 (OP)
it's so over for western games

>>712470871
>support capitalism or become a backwards incestuous christcuck

>>712471795
This game is basically old school leftism. I wish modern discourse would shift from gender and race and go back to shit that actually matters.

>series about how interplanetary corporations are both all controlling and somehow wholly incompetent
>published by the only charged monopolists of the 21st centry
If you wrote a fiction like this it would be hacky.

>>712469089 (OP)
Outer Worlds 1 was already a piss poor critique of capitalism and corporate culture. It was neither insightful nor humorous so what the writing was left with was this typical gen Z writing style of self-aware irony poisoned cringe
I expect more of the same for Outer Worlds 2

>>712471750
>if nobody buys tow2 at 80 bucks

Well then we'll wait and see how much it sells. I can guarantee you Bethesda retards and Obsidishills will buy it in waves.

Outer Worlds 1 was complete and utter garbage yet still was carried by the hatred people had for nu Fallout.

>love steampunk theme
>all steampunk games are the cringiest written pieces of shit ever
Its not fair.

>>712472578
>steampunk fan pretends to have standards

>>712472578
Steampunk fandom is where fedoratippers end up if they don't care enough about religion to debate strangers on the internet and their writing reflects that

>>712472578

Outer worldS is not Steampunk.

>>712469245
Utterly mogged by Clockwork Revolution in the same show because it actually lead with the RPG mechanics and saved the combat showcase for last. Every Outer Worlds 2 trailer I've seen tries to make it look like an action TPS.

>>712469089 (OP)
I hate the notion that capitalism invented money or commerce.

>>712471604
>Duuuuude just make your own bank broooo

>>712472235
>incest LE BAD
Watcha doin rabbi?

>>712472480
>I can guarantee you Bethesda retards and Obsidishills will buy it in waves
lol.

TOW1 only sold as well as it did because people were so mad over FO76. It didn't leave a single impact on anyone, it was by and large forgotten until the announcement of the sequel and oh yeah, the economy is in the shitter. People *might* buy Mario Kart at 80 bucks, but not nearly enough people are dedicated to the TOW IP to have it be a success at 80. Hell, Doom TDA seems to have been a flop and Doom is much more recognizable and beloved than TOW ever was.

If it somehow makes a profit (and I mean a real one, none of that "30 gazillion players (on gamepass who played for 5 minutes and quit) I will eat my own cum.

>>712469245
I tried avowed and now I no longer want to play obsidian games.

THANKS MODS FOR ENCOURAGING TWITTER SHIT ON THIS BOARD
THIS BOARD ISNT VIDEO GAMES ANYMORE

>>712472235
f-free incest? Where do I sign up?

>>712469089 (OP)
art doesn't take part in capitalism. There is no competition, quite the contrary your product is automatically protected from copycats.

Redditors think greed == capitalism

>>712473858
art is woke

>>712473858
Video games are a product, not art.

>>712469894
What's this from?

Look at the bright side, it will flop and be on gamepass before summer is over

>>712473276

You underestimate how lonely gamers are nowadays

You throw an RPG at their way, it has romances, and it's gonna sell 9843297848932 billions.

>>712469089 (OP)

Next time you post a thread like that for the guy to steal - hide bbc symbolism somewhere or something that makes them look bad

>>712474403
Explain Bioware's trash flopping for a whole decade then.

>>712474498

Because funny enough they didn't make the focus on the romance nor did they advertise the game with them in mind

>>712471750
Microsoft knows it's not worth that much, it's just a trick to push more people into goypass

>>712469089 (OP)
Toxotransmosis moment.

>>712469089 (OP)
>Play a game criticizing capitalism
>No talk about the government regulation that makes small business impossible while barely hurting the bottom line of large businesses, intellectual property like patents stifling creativity, and taxation is barely touched upon
>Often times there's a dominating racial aspect or they try to mix and match, so there's no culture or identity between the oppressor or oppressed
>The solution is always violent upheaval
Socialists are authoritarian nutjobs and cannot identify the problems that cause a free-market to become un-free.

>>712469089 (OP)
It's meta. If the game succeeds, that just proves them right. For the sake of the devs, the game must fail. Also aren't they including Denuvo?

>>712470103
>suits that had nothing to do with the development forces high prices
the devs took their money in order to work on the game in the first place. also you're acting like when a publisher and dev go into business for a project that all this stuff is outlined and agreed upon before they even get to work.

>>712475127
isn't* outlined

>>712471959
>reddit frog

>>712474403
Outer Worlds 2 is not gonna have romances, dummy.
Obsidian hates those, the damn retards, another reason Avowed crashed and flopped.

>>712474807
Fuck, now that I think about it, it's actually very easy to pull a chameleon and inject actual sense into an RPG:
>Make the setting a frontier planet that was colonized a few generations ago
>Things were great for awhile as mutual aid societies existed, people formed communities around shared beliefs, and even for settlements with large differences there was trade.
>Suddenly in comes a ship from the galactic government, come to check-in and enforce the government on the seed colony.
>The GG sees all the disparate communities and decides it's no good, because some communities are doing a little better then others.
>Build a capital city in a completely illogical place because it's 'central', provide some incentives for various people from different settlements to move there, in quotas enforced implicitly of course.
>Puts in regulation on trade to 'protect' settlements from 'improper' medicine and puts a patent law system in place to 'promote' innovation. This results in a few GG-backed orgs having a monopoly on medicine, goods, and technology, all enforceable with violence.
>Several conflicts break out due to irreconcilable religious and cultural differences in the capital city, which the protagonist is sent to sort out.
>Protagonist eventually learns the truth about the system and has several options to deal with it: back one of the factions in a conquest war, blow up the GG ship, found an empire, or try and return the old, peaceful order.

>>712469089 (OP)
Massive redpill...

Millions of videogame and porn addicts will defend these soul destroying activities to the death

At some point a real human bean will outgrow these things

And you can never enjoy them again without knowing they destroy your mind and body

Inb4 cry cope seethe

>>712469089 (OP)
because unless you are a CEO wages have stagnated.

>>712475805
>reddit spacer presents reddit opinion using reddit lingo
reddit the post

>>712473590
>Pointing out irony is equivalent to endorsing inflated costs due to inflation, intellectual property, and tax-funded game companies is somehow stating that the current system is ideal.
It's actually the opposite.

>>712469089 (OP)
>the world is full of ideas and employments fighting each other over who gets to influence people
>you choose the ones that both rob you physically and intellectually

>>712474807
violent upheaval has always been the driving force of change

>>712474241
aveum immortals whatever

>>712471319
So you cant criticize jews for controlling your government

>>712474241
If you search for the text on screen, it comes up with "Immortals of Aveum."
I hear it's a very mid game, I wouldn't bother.

>>712469245
It's funny that the Clockwork Revolution game they showed later completely mogged it out of water

>>712474807
>list of shit no one cares about instead of economic policy that economists care about
ok

>>712477538
>violent upheaval has always been the driving force of change
If you only see red, then you probably need your eyes checked, your cornea might be bleeding.
>>712479078
>instead of economic policy that economists care about
- Remove Bullshit Regulations that stifle small businesses
- Remove intellectual property laws that allow for artificial monopolies and stagger creativity
- Remove taxes to defang the government and stop lobbyists from having so much power(also ban lobbying, but I didn't mention that)
How is this not economic policy? This all seems like economic policy people and even economists care about.

>>712474807
Cool it with the anti-semitic comments.

>>712469089 (OP)
>game about hot women
>I dont have a gf irl
wtf

>>712469089 (OP)
>pajeet account Twitter screencap thread

>>712475735
Someone that actually cares about good writing and worldbuilding.

Get the fuck out. This board is for Twitter racebait threads and porn.

>>712469089 (OP)
outer worlds 2 couldn't even exist outside of capitalism. the only media that's allowed in socialist countries isstate propaganda.

>>712469089 (OP)
"Players" as a celebratory post incoming

>>712469881
nice try, no one has sex anymore, especially zoomers

>>712482087
sex is gay

>>712470103
>willingly sell your studio to evil megacorp
>"It's all their fault!!!"

>>712471795
came here to post this

>>712471795
Isn't that just Margaret Thatcher?

>>712469089 (OP)
>we are being forced to participate in a system that exploits in order to survive
>but, lo, look: you are participating in the system

>>712471795
Both Joyce and Evrart are some of the most based characters I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing. The fact that they despise each other only makes it better.

>>712482087
Only the dudes, the girls make an onlyfans the moment they hit 18.

>>712483212
Wow, Hasan bad. So original.

>>712482440
You sound like someone who has no dependents like that faggot that said "Oh worrrrrrk" at the riot

>>712483272
I thought the parody was of Dev, not fat enough I guess.

>>712479669
Because it's a problem of scale but you're obviously some libertarian. Regulations aren't a reason small businesses fail, but regulations are bad because they're often older and made to restrain industries but then that comes back to bite people in the ass whenever some group doesn't want some project happening and they kill it with a pile of paperwork and regulations that are prohibitively expensive even for the government. IP laws are good in some cases. For instance, pharmaceuticals spend a lot of money on R&D for their products and we want them to be able to recoup their losses so they can continue to do research. Here's a more interesting question: why do Americans pay less for generics while the newest things aren't even marketed in European markets? Is there a way to cooperate and diffuse the American cost while making these drugs available in European markets? Taxes aren't bad or good they just are, and taxes are very often beneficial multipliers on what your productivity. For instance, there's a famous study that looks at the effect of treating school children with worms in developing countries that found the long term effects to be far greater than simply giving schools new equipment or whatever. Taxes, which feed healthcare, keep people healthy, which is extremely important. Another example: people like to complain about property prices. Places like LA have rows and rows of singly family suburban homes that desperately need to be redeveloped but instead old people that entered the local market before it exploded and are now incentivized to endlessly speculate on the rapidly increasing price of their property, thereby wasting everyone's time. This is where ideas like land value taxes come in, to maybe disincentivize this behavior. Lobbying, in America at least, is protected under the first ammendment right to organize, but ubfortunately my message is too long so I'm stopping here.

>>712469089 (OP)
>White people have been making hundreds of films, stories, and games about the NIGGE.. I mean the Orc/foreign entity hordes
>But they haven't learned this in IRL
Why is that? What causes this?

>>712469089 (OP)
>The revolution will be monetized!

This is why no one should take leftists seriously. They don't even take themselves seriously.

>>712469089 (OP)
>Gamer discovered person writing game doesn't choose the price
Does being a gamer require having an IQ under 70?

>>712469089 (OP)
>elon
>blackrock
>larry fink
>World Economic Forum

Why are all the self-proclaimed communists always the worst examples of capitalism?

Almost like capitalism doesn't work because they're destroying it on purpose.

God forbid a poor person have pizza, movies, and video games whenever they want.

God forbid poor people can afford luxuries and happiness

>>712483660
Would the person writing the game have still written it if they weren't getting paid to? No, they wouldn't. Which means they are just as profit driven as anyone else.

Leftists cannot be taken seriously.

>>712476015
How would lowering the prices improve the society somewhat?.....

>>712483515
So they cut his entire lower torso off?

>>712469089 (OP)
It's criticizing corporations, not the concept of people owning things and charging money for what they make. It's literally the tagline of communism.

>>712483876
>You participate in the system hoisted upon you by birth under penalty of starvation, that means you support it and can never critique it
Yep, that's exactly the sub 70 IQ gamer argument I expected. Thanks for the confirmation and proving my point

>>712469089 (OP)
the original is dogshit

>>712483876
>Aforementioned gamer goes out of his way to prove the <70 IQ hypothesis
Rightards really can't stop embarrassing themselves

>>712483810
>tfw can't trust people (corporations) to not actively sabotage their country with lax regulation and small government.
>tfw can't trust government to be benevolent, all powerful and act in the best interest of its people.

>>712484194
just reject both

>>712484039
>Typical leftist coming up with every excuse as to why they get to keep benefiting from the system they supposedly hate

>>712469089 (OP)
That's a Pole subhuman wannabe e-celeb. His only source of income comes from re-posting shit he reads on reddit and on /v/

>>712484317
And get bent by a corp or a gubment.

>>712478997
Not when you're a Jew.

>>712472313
You can't have true leftism by only focusing on the economic side and ignoring the oppression of minorities and social issues.

>>712470724
Man I am so behind his mlp stuff

>>712469364
Based

>>712486114
post hat

>>712486114
the USSR did exactly that and it did great until dem*cracy

>>712469442
>bitch we aint know
It makes sense that different words might confuse you.

>>712469089 (OP)
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Therefore it doesn't matter if the game is $80 or $8, it's all just as bad. Ipso quoto charging $80 is morally justifiable for a socialist to sell their game for that is living under a capitalistic system.

>>712484317
>create power vacuum
>bigger power fills it
Every time. Anarchy sounds great but humans are too fucking retarded for it.

>>712486765
That's how the mental gymnastics are performed, yeah.

>>712486458
Glad this image gets posted more, it says everything.

>>712486765
>charging $80 is morally justifiable for a socialist to sell their game for that is living under a capitalistic system
he would be a cheerleader in red. no different than a shitlib who does nothing.

>>712484317
>laughs in chaz
I remember it like yesterday when they were having a meeting to try and figure out how they were going to stop crime in their anarchist utopia
>does anyone have any experience in security
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

>>712469089 (OP)
It's funny the opposite is also true
>Things criticizing socialism/heavy-handed market regulation/marxism
>Free or otherwise reasonably priced

>>712484194
>corporations
>small government
>builderberg group
You realize we have corporate monopoly because the government is too big right?

The monopolies are maintained from too much government.

Do you even know what builderberg group is?

>>712472638
Lmao touché

>>712469089 (OP)
NPCs gonna NPC.

>>712473590
this

>>712469442
It's like putting "born" at the end of a game

>le evil capitalism superhero show
>funded by and exclusively on amazon prime
>20 gorillion seasons of this slop
It’s all just safe-edgy garbage to make champagne socialist urbanites feel good about themselves

>>712483905
There's a good chance he'll walk

You know they are going to buy it. They bought the Stellar Blade complete edition.

>>712469089 (OP)
Yeah, and the Wachowskis sold their movie and all the famous cyberpunk artists sold their books
Non argument

>>712469089 (OP)
>You see a game criticizing capitalism
>Look at the price
>$1

>>712469454
>destroying capitalisms
>destroying everything that's enjoyable in life
>socialism is just a thinly veiled front for dictatorships where they get to rape anyone they want

Once the USA goes down China is going to go straight back to what it was and get rid of all the nice stuff.

You're literally rooting for HELL ON EARTH

Who in their right mind looks forward to a greasy ugly Russian guy raping you and beating you daily?

>>712487671
ah yes the logic whereby your argument is universally correct so it loops back to being a non argument

>>712487784
>yet you live in a society... curious!
Pointless gotcha argument, basically saying "be quiet goy dont criticize"

>>712487772
Destroying unregulated capitalism is good.
The current capitalism is becoming less and less regulated, you don't want your country to become the next Brazil.

>>712487929
criticizing the status quo is literally woke

>>712487929
I propose the substitution of market economies with planned economies, how shall we spread this message?
Let's sell it on the market

>>712488092
It used to be what 4chan was about

>>712487671
Not many cyberpunk artists were outright anti-capitalist though. Seeing pro-regulation positions as socialist is very extreme.

>>712488156
Capitalism isn't the fault, unregulated crony capitalism is

>>712475127
There's not really an option for someone to not participate in capitalism though. You need money to survive unless you want to rot on the streets. You can't build yourself a new life in the wilderness and live off the land unless you are already exorbitantly wealthy enough to own a woodland area. All land is owned by either the government or private individuals, all of whom will jail you or worse for trespassing - so what option really is there?

Someone can despise capitalism and still participate in it out of necessity because the system itself has made it a death sentence to not do that.

>>712488041
You have to lie to get people to believe you, but what you don't realize is that people lied to you to get you to believe the things you believe now.

Only suffering will come from absolute trust and power given to people who you don't know.

>>712488354
You're right that government creates laws that prevent people from freely creating communities where they can fulfil a cash-free anti-capitalist dream of interdependence.

>>712488041
Brazil is more socialist than the USA, commielard.
That's why it's a shithole.

>>712488483
With no governments it would just be private industry doing the exact same thing and buying up land en masse for the sake of it. The only way to escape capitalism is to become ultra wealthy enough to purchase refuge, otherwise it's the grind or death.

>>712487081
What does it matter?
I already said I couldn't trust a big, all powerful government anyway.
Big government means it'll just be subverted.
Small/No Government just means they can act freely, answering to nobody and hurting us.
There's no way out.

>>712469089 (OP)
Capitalism did not invent the concept of money.

>>712488483
Interdependence is literally antithetical to our current system, if Americans started growing their own food tomorrow the Government would trip over itself to make it illegal and force us all back to supermarkets.
There's nothing wrong with free markers, there is something inherently wrong with captured markets that manufacture our culture and sell it to us. Markets that literally control information and use it to manipulate people for their own advantage and profit

>>712469089 (OP)
see
>>712470306
>>712470306

game's cost money to make

>>712469089 (OP)
I thought this was Outer Wilds for a second. What the fuck is Outer Worlds?

>>712483491
>Regulations aren't a reason small businesses fail
Sure.
Start a small business, get regulated, fail because you can't pay for expensive licenses or spend the TIME on paper work, or get sued to death by a large competitor.
>IP laws are good in some cases. For instance, pharmaceuticals spend a lot of money on R&D for their products and we want them to be able to recoup their losses so they can continue to do research.
I know about this and I think it might be the case HOWEVER, it could also be that R&D takes the fuck off because you don't have to worry about overlapping with an existing patent and better method of developing drugs might emerge because they have to be more efficient to get to market faster.
>why do Americans pay less for generics while the newest things aren't even marketed in European markets? Is there a way to cooperate and diffuse the American cost while making these drugs available in European markets?
Here's a question, why do so many European countries tax the hell out of businesses? Like Stripe, a unicorn startup, by Irish brothers is based in AMERICA, you wonder why that is?
>Taxes aren't bad or good they just are, and taxes are very often beneficial multipliers on what your productivity.
HELL NO.
You give money to the government there's a 1/5 chance it'll go to something useful and 1/3 chance that it'll be as efficient as private industry. I've worked in and around Gov for years and have seen this in every sector.
> Places like LA have rows and rows of singly family suburban homes that desperately need to be redeveloped but instead old people that entered the local market before it exploded and are now incentivized to endlessly speculate on the rapidly increasing price of their property, thereby wasting everyone's time.
Yeah basically government zones so we can't build new homes and the supply is capped while demand continues to increase. It's also the reason our transport is fucked in cities

>>712469089 (OP)
is this all Nintendo's fault for making the first 80 dollar console game?

>>712483904
>How would lowering the prices improve the society somewhat?.....
I want them to RAISE prices so the AAA industry collapses under it's own weight, reforms, and starts making good games again!

>>712488773
retarded how everything gets more expensive but wages don't increase to accomodate for the new prices

>>712488669
Buying land only has validity if it is recognised by others, and that typically requires forcing them to recognise it. This boils down to a simple truth that power is everything. The person who is powerful enough to create and enforce the system of rules on others, or powerful enough to take your land regardless of whether you bought it, is the true ruler of reality. Imagine telling Ghengis Khan that you bought your farm and it belongs to you. KEK

>>712469089 (OP)
never underestimate capital's ability to subsume critique of itself for profit

>>712488313
That's what I'm saying.

>>712489187
yeah, everyone is equally poor in brazil, thanks for proving his point retard

>>712472480
I LOVE LUNA

>>712489098
even REAL median income has been increasing i don't know where you guys get this lie, literally just check FRED

>>712469442
>bitch we aint know

whatever twitter tranny made that jokeless meme isn't even ideologically sound. the game could be made by anti-capitalist people but be released at a greedy price by higher up. I thought they were the the "it's not the hecking developers' fault all games suck nowadays" crowd

>>712470391
Fucking GACHA gamers had enough self respect to fight for their rights and enforce regulations on their industry. The AAA market refuses to vote with their wallet and insists that it's a pointless battle, as though that would somehow justify the support of bad corporations even if it were true. There are plenty of battles you can't win where you must compromise to continue living properly in this world, video games are not one of them.

it base price is 80
its also charging 100 for early access
while complaining about capitalism

>>712490248
Gacha is a failure of not gatekeeping, and no one with self respect plays it

>see a 4chan post
>look at the site
>it's twitter

>>712490469
Sure. But that completely misses the point that this bottom of the barrel scene has the sense to boycott corporate practices and demand better products. There is no fucking excuse for AAA gamers to say "well you can't win so why try"

This is pointedly untrue. Companies come and go. There are periods that are better and periods that are worse and the idea that you can only lose is a means by which people let themselves get cowed for cash.

>>712469089 (OP)
Yes. People can and will be hypocritical. Kind of like how red states "hate socialism" but are the biggest welfare states in the union.

>>712469245
Outer Wilds was dogshit and I couldn't get passed an hour in. This looks like more of the same. There is nothing even remotely interesting about these games. The setting and aesthetic is total and complete dogshit.

it's ok to kill communists

>>712491327
>red states "hate socialism" but are the biggest welfare states in the union
That's a lie.
>If you look at the amount of money the federal government gives to states on a per capita basis instead, blue states get more; $2,124 per resident. Red states receive just $1,879 on average. even if red states receive more in federal welfare, it’s not going to Republicans. Those on public assistance, as well as long-term disability and unemployment, are overwhelmingly Democrats.

>>712489187
Brazil has more socialist policies than the USA. That's a fact.

>>712489284
Everyone knows socialism is a joke.
Socialists suffer from arrested development.

>You see a JRPG about friendship, relationships, and overcoming obstacles
>look at the fanbase
>NEETs

>>712488696
Big government is what hurts us, you braindead redditard.
It's the GOVERNMENT that steals my paycheck all the time and decides what to do with my money.

>>712471795
holy shit that game is so boring. might as well be a book.

>>712484317
>>712486807
Some people are objectively superior to others.
Egalitarianism is the great lie of our age.

>game complains about capitalism
>pirate the game three times so they lose thrice the money

>>712492128
It's also the government who makes sure that makes sure the food you're eating isn't full of shit, perhaps literally. Well maybe it is in America but civilised countries know that uncontrolled businesses will do whatever they can to maximize profits and can't be trusted.
Free market is a myth, it's just a mean of control. They'd sell your balls if they could. No system is perfect, if there are exploits to be made somebody is already planning it.

>>712469089 (OP)
>Memearrows
>black text

>>712486114
In the USA, minorities aren't oppressed. They're privileged and elevated and given exclusive advantages.

>>712483491
>Regulations aren't a reason small businesses fail
They are most definitely *a* reason.
Regulatory capture and regulatory moats are a very real thing.

>>712469089 (OP)
>>You see a game criticizing capitalism
>>Look at the price
>>$80

>>712484317
Anarchy is inherently unsustainable. In an effort to solve its problems people will inevitably re-invent government. Which will quickly take over because collective power is stronger than individualism.

>>712492427
>It's also the government who makes sure that makes sure the food you're eating isn't full of shit
Wrong. It's consumer choice.

>>712493263
I'm pretty sure that when given the choice most people wouldn't eat slop.

>>712483810
>bunch of non sequiturs

>>712484117
Leftards are stupid, evil, and mentally ill.

>>712469089 (OP)
Is it just jeets crying about being poor

I really wish I never bought the first game. There was so much retardation going around saying that the game was the return of Fallout New Vegas and all this shit, that I figured it couldn't be too bad. Go figure the gameplay is incredibly dull and it has some of the worst writing I've ever seen in an RPG.
At this point it's pretty clear that people just were mad about Fallout 76 and decided to shill Obsidian because "Fallout NV devs worked on it"

(Whats funny is despite never having played it, I'd be willing to bet money that Fallout 76 is easily better than this crap now too... which isn't saying much but still...)

>>712484039
>hoisted upon you
No one "hoisted" capitalism on you. You're not entitled to other people's property.
If you don't want to trade, go live innawoods.

>>712493445
It's rightoids thinking it's a "gotcha" when things cost money even when people who dislike that, well, need money to live too.

>>712493569
>I dislike the fact that people won't give me their shit for free
Leftards are truly comical.
You really are mentally children.

>>712493521
Find me a forest that isn't already owned by someone (or protected by governments) and I'll do that.
You can't. That's the whole issue. It's too late. Late capitalism is the default system. There is literally no alternative. You can't just create shit, you can just change ownership.

>>712473590
I have other reactions, but my spider senses are telling me I will get in trouble somehow, so I'll just Catbox.

https://files.catbox.moe/t88oql.jpg

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>>712493569
I remember not being able to afford many 360 games back in the day so I just waited until Christmas or Black Friday for discounts even if I missed the hype

>>712493521
Commerce exists without capitalism thoughbeit
Commerce exists within every single economic structure, even textbook communism

>>712493569
I don't necessarily dislike money.
What the issue has become is institutionalization.
Money has enabled people to stop providing for themselves and their community, relying on the goodwill of the government and corporations to maintain their communities and even culture but that's another conversation.

The issue is interaction with money should be much less obligatory, there are basically ponzi schemes ran between government institutions and corporations to make basic things much more expensive than they should be.
We should be growing our own food, we should be able to maintain our own vehicles, property rights should come with domain over resources.
The short of the long is grocery stores are great, but we enable this system by letting ourselves be dependent on them.

>>712493735
>I'm too lazy, stupid, and incompetent to provide for myself OR make things other people want and trade for them
Not my problem. Kill yourself, you bloodsucking leftyrat parasite.

>>712472578
cp77 is actually a low key conservative game.

>>712494065
You've literally proven me wrong you nigger.
You can't just not participate.

>>712493912
Commerce is based on private property.
Communism is the abolition of private property.

>>712469089 (OP)
>pirate the first game
>the first hour is you being a wingman to a dyke who cant even pull a bitch and acts like a shy dyke oh no what do i say i want to eat her box so bad
capitalism is bad mkay, i fucking deleted that shit instantly what a god awful game

>>712469089 (OP)
Devs and writers don't set the price

>>712494134
This I love being able to give my girl mc a giant throbbing cock. Very tradbased and redpilled

>>712493735
>Late capitalism
two more weeks, xister

>>712494138
Indeed I have.
No one owes you shit.

>>712493638
It's a release valve on capitalism. Otherwise all the wealth builds up in one place until the pressure makes it explode.
Capitalism literally only cares about maximizing profits and this causes a lot of problems along the way. Rather than dismantle capitalism entirely like the commies tried, it's better to just take some of their profits and use it to fix the problems.

>>712469089 (OP)
>look at the company making it
>multinational multibillion dollar company with infinite funding
really makes you think

>Spend a fuck ton of money making a game
>Have two options to make your money back, and make a profit
>Sell a fuck ton of copies for cheap, or, sell not as many copies at a higher price
What will you do?

>>712494065
Any free pieces of land? No? Then go fuck yourself. Why am I supposed to follow your rules?

>heh you were born in a capitalistic society that requires you to have money in order to survive therefore if you want money you are part of the problem I am so smurt

fuckin retards

>>712494449
Capitalism doesn't "care" about anything, dipshit. Capitalism isn't a person.
Leftists are so fucking stupid. Literally dumber than children. They should be locked up in mental asylums so the rest of us can live in peace.

>>712494140
>he doesn’t know you can still trade based on the labor theory of value after the abolition of the commodity form

>>712494527
Try stealing my shit and I'll blow your head off. Simple as.
Figure out your own shit, you worthless parasite.

>>712493521
You can't live innawoods. Every square inch of this planet is owned by someone already. People who try to live that way are called homeless. And they're continually chased off public lands by wild pigs. They have no way to acquire food like this on their own.

>>712473342
>I tried avowed and now I no longer want to play obsidian games
I didn't even make it past the intro cutscene after making my character where I literally quit and uninstalled the game, not even joking. I just hated the entire premise of it.

>>712494605
>They should be locked up in mental asylums so the rest of us can live in peace.
But then who will make the mocha frappa lattes at Starbucks?

>>712494605
It's a figure of speech dipshit.

>>712494605
Ok, capitalists* and other followers of capitalism, a.k.a the current global system, only care about maximizing profits. Very large difference.
I really don't give a single fuck about how you call yourself. The fact is that you're telling me to eat shit while following your ideology on your rules and then to follow MY ideology on your rules.

>>712494708
Suck cocks for a living or sell a kidney. They're comfortable like that if they haven't tried all the options.

>>712494567
>ayo gimme yo shit for free

>>712494659
>schizobabble
bunkertroons not sending their best

I just think it's funny that capitalists are telling socialists how THEY should practice their socialist beliefs in a capitalist reality.

>>712470103
The Suits put it on Gamepass, so everyone can play it either cheap or free.

This is like complaining about the $80 Mario Kart price tag. It's silly, nobody's actually going to pay that. If you want Mario Kart, buy the bundle and get it for $50.

If you want OW2 buy Gamepass and get it for $12.

Alright let's add layers to this, someone post it on reddit

>>712494708
Why don't you do something useful?

>>712494963
Also illegal

>>712494879
>capitalists* and other followers of capitalism, a.k.a the current global system, only care about maximizing profits
No they don't. That's the kind of bullshit you've filled your head with because you're an envious fucking loser who's both insane and lazy.

>>712495216
What can you do when you have literally nothing? Who's gonna give me a bed under a roof to live like a proper human being even for the most mundane job? Recovering from rock bottom is becoming harder with each year.

>>712495336
And you believe that because...?
Do you own a factory? I don't think so.

>>712494659
>Refuse to use the same financial systems as other nations
>become a backwards hermit kingdom
>Adopt currency for the sake of trade
>wealth concentrates and corrupts until your marxist Utopia exists only in name
The world is too technologically interdependent for your theories to ever pan out. You can not produce, refine and manufacture everything without engaging with and being influenced by capitalist nations.

>>712494879
I can't wait for you to get your head blown off when you try to steal someone else's shit.
Every day a worthless commie rat parasite like you dies is a good day. I'd spit on your grave if I had the chance.

>>712473276
Nobody is buying MKW at $80. If you want it, you buy the bundle and get it at half price.

Same with OW2. It's clearly being used to push people towards Gamepass. They probably figured it wasn't going to sell much anyway.

>>712474403
>>712475602
OW2 won't have romances, Obsidian doesn't do that.

Except secret gay romances, it sometimes has that. You could be gay in Avowed.

>>712495137
They're just pointing out you're not entitled to other people's property, troon

>>712495445
you must be 18 to post here

>>712475735
Damn, great post.

>>712495427
>you believe that because...?
Because I'm not a brainwashed gullible idiot like you.

>>712491926
sorry my accurate post caused you such mental distress that you had to start chanting your mantras

>>712495445
musk won't kiss you faggot

>>712495429
Marx predicted this. It’s why True Communism™®© has to be a worldwide workers revolution

>>712469089 (OP)
>>712469967
how much money do you guys think @ShitpostRock makes by browsing /v/ all day and reposting popular posts and threads like this one to Twitter?

>>712495350
You don't have "literally nothing". You're just a mentally-ill pussy of a man.

>>712469089 (OP)
this isn't bluesky, you don't need to add pointless alt text

>>712495429
Literally proving the point.
It's too late and only unrooting capitalism entirely can change the order.

>>712495549
>>712495630
buttmad commie rat is angry

>>712495697
Oh okay, I have a piece of cardboard and maybe some clothes. shoes not included. I'm losing teeth and hair too and I've been starving for a while. I can surely turn that into a yacht.

>>712471206
What rule is there to sell a videogame at $80?

>CTRL+F
>no one screenshotted the OP and tweeted it out then posted a screenshot of that tweet here
I’m disappointed in you, twitter trannies

>>712495620
Aww, did I hurt your feelings, socialist?

>>712495943
The rule called "The publisher sets the price".

>>712495742
>unrooting capitalism entirely
What does that mean?

>>712495831
You're not entitled to a yacht.
You have an absurd way of looking at the world.
Also, your LARP needs work.

>jeet grifter screencap thread
>+250 replies
post after this line and your mother dies in her sleep
----------------------------------------------------

Sorry mom, gotta reach my shitpost quota

>>712495992
>The publisher
didn't create the game

>>712496047
You can only make money by doing labor. No more free money based on what you own like stock market voodoo, usury, landlords, etc.

>>712496047
Somehow unlink global for-profit banking and a globalist economy that is influencing your life at this very second or topple multibillion corporations and the rich 1% with actual control over many aspects of the world, just to begin with I guess. It's gonna be easy, right?

>>712496237
>You can only make money by doing labor.
That's really fucking stupid. How old are you?

>>712496247
That's a lot of buzzwords, but you didn't answer the question.

>>712496134
You didn't answer my question. Maybe you're too dumb to read so I'll ask again. How am I supposed to recover from the rock bottom that a homeless person will reach without outer influence like some rich guy deciding to give me some pity money?

>>712496318
Older than you. Sorry, no more parasite class allowed. Get a job, piggy

>>712473276
>oh yeah, the economy is in the shitter
I agree with everything else but you fags always whine about the economy and then the Switch 2 has the most successful console launch ever. The economy is fine. YOU in particular are just poor.

>>712496526
Pinball surged in popularity during the Great Depression. Frivolous distractions selling well isn’t an indication of a healthy economy

>>712496237
>You can only make money by doing labor.
What incentive is there to increase labor productivity, i.e. advance humanity or even maintain existing complex systems, if "you can only make money by doing labor"?
What would be the incentive to develop technology, accumulate capital stock, and engage in entrepreneurship?
This is why you leftist retards shouldn't get to vote. You don't think anything through, and have a mental capacity lower than children.

>>712496443
I already have a job. That's why I'm not a braindead commie leech like you.
Are you in highschool?

>>712496426
You didn't ask a question in that comment, you braindead LARPing dipshit. You were whining about not having a yacht. You're not entitled to have a yacht.

>>712469442
>please clarify

>>712496384
Multiple concurrent and successful civil wars across the entire western world.

>>712496318
Capitalism relies on preexisting wealth, so without capitalism there's no more preexisting wealth. I can assure you that you won't be the next Trump if you were to start from burger flipping.
You can't just be born into a rich family and live on easy mode compared to some brazilian shithole.
Just like you can't make money on shares, crypto, rental service, factory profits and stuff like that.
That's what the lack of capitalism would be.
>>712496672
How do you think cavemen developed tools? I don't think they had some form of monetary incentive. Just like you believe that capitalist won't do whatever the fuck they can and basically say "fuck the poor", others believe that people will do good things just because they want to.

>>712496672
>What would be the incentive to develop technology, accumulate capital stock
Nearly every technological development of the past decade has served exclusively to make life worse for the average person in nearly every way - and accumulating capital stock should not be encouraged. Hoarding wealth, land, and resources only harms the world.

>>712496649
Except that anon's exact fucking argument was no one's buying video games because everyone's too poor.

i wish we had the IP counter back, I'd really like to know how many samefags/bots are in these blatant xitter advertising threads

>>712496859
Wars for what?

I'm sorry but videogame coding is craKKKa unproductive, immaterial labour behaviour. You're an aristoKKKratiKKK whore if you believe otherwise.
You will never be proletarian.
Death to whities.

>>712496672
Same incentives as now except better because all the profit goes directly to the people doing the work instead of 80% going to stockholders that didn’t contribute at all
>>712496749
If you really want to keep being a bootlicking cuck in the communist utopia, you can send me half your paycheck to simulate your boss skimming off the top

>>712469089 (OP)
>trap someone in a cage
>they comment on not liking the cage despite being trapped in it
>this is very deep and intelligent social commentary

>>712488354
Pure communism isn't all that great for producing vidya though. Capitalistic consumerism and excess allows for unnecessary extravagances like video games to be more easily produced. This is why China didn't produce any decent video games until after they started giving up on the pretense of communism. Modern China is communist in name only.

Video games aren't just excess, they're also insanely wasteful. So in order to produce them in decent quality and quantity, you need a society that's actually willing to freely embrace and produce wasteful and unnecessary products.

>>712496992
Damn I’ve become what I hate most. A fag who doesn’t read the reply chain

>>712469442
>t.

>>712496672
For the same reason why there were still major breakthroughs and QoL improvements even under commie rule(s). Or even before the modern times. You know, in times and places where words like "corporation" or "capitalism" weren't even used. We didn't come out of the caves 100 years ago.
You have the required braincells to comprehend that, right?

>>712497193
>Modern China is communist in name only.
Modern China is literally the only real Communist project. Up til now they're building productive forces that will allow us to ascend to a higher mode of production. White people, though? Death to all of them.

See a game objectifying women
Rape
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>>712497108
You're not trapped anywhere. You have all the means you can wish for to climb the social ladder.

>>712496920
>Capitalism relies on preexisting wealth
No, capitalism CREATES wealth. Socialism destroys it.
>without capitalism there's no more preexisting wealth
Wrong. The wealth that capitalism created will still be there initially, but degrade over time under socialism.
>I can assure you that you won't be the next Trump if you were to start from burger flipping.
So? I don't view my life through the lens of envy like leftists do.
>You can't just be born into a rich family and live on easy mode compared to some brazilian shithole.
You can if you're part of the nomenklatura.
>you can't make money on shares
Where will you get investment from?
>crypto
What's wrong with crypto?
>rental service
Where's the incentive to build more housing?
>factory profits
Where's the incentive to make better factories?

Leftists are mentally children.

>>712487576
Fucking lmao

>>712496920
>How do you think cavemen developed tools? I don't think they had some form of monetary incentive.
Of course they did, if by "monetary incentive" you mean personal gain. You just decreed, in typical commietard fashion, that people can only be rewarded for doing labor. Thus there's no reward for doing less labor, i.e., increasing labor productivity.

>>712497594
>Where's the incentive to build more housing?
In having more housing.
>Where's the incentive to make better factories?
In having better factories.
Both are objective improvements for everyone by themselves. Unless you hate that you're not making money on that then you're literally the problem.

>>712472578
Go play Arcanum

>>712496954
>Nearly every technological development of the past decade has served exclusively to make life worse for the average person in nearly every way
Of course not. You're just insanely retarded.
>accumulating capital stock should not be encouraged.
Again, you're just insanely retarded. Accumulating capital stock is what lets society build new tools, factories, expand production, R&D etc.
You quite literally have no idea what you're talking about. You're just a brainwashed stupid reddit child.
>Hoarding wealth, land, and resources only harms the world.
Those things aren't "hoarded". They're put to use. Because that yields a higher return.

You have a particularly stupid child's understanding of the world.

>>712474807
These are the same people that buy into predictions that were outdated by 1910, do you really expect them to have a grasp on the reality of these things?

>>712497095
>Same incentives as now
Nope. You just wiped out the incentive, because you said I won't be rewarded for finding ways to produce more with less labor.

I know this is hard for a brainwashed Communist parasite, but try using your brain for once.

>>712497585
So, participate in capitalism? That’s the exact point I’m making retard, that you have no choice to participate, so saying “you can’t critique it bc you participate in it” is a moot point

>>712497315
>there were still major breakthroughs and QoL improvements even under commie rule(s)
I thought communism has never been tried? Which one is it?

>>712497594
>Where's the incentive to build more housing?
people will still buy houses, it will just be the people actually living in them instead of scalpers renting it out for an inflated price while providing no value
>Where's the incentive to make better factories?
people will still make profit off of factories, it will just be the people actually doing the work instead of a corporate boardroom halfway across the country

>>712497852
>>Where's the incentive to build more housing?
>In having more housing.

>>Where's the incentive to make better factories?
>In having better factories.

>>712497852
So this is the level of analysis you can expect from Communists.
>people will build houses and factories at personal expense and no personal gain… just because!
Leftists are mentally-ill stupid freaks.

>>712495429
The funniest part about Marxism is that according to Marx and Engels it turns into ancapistan at the end stage

>>712498030
>because you said I won't be rewarded for finding ways to produce more with less labor.
That's not what I said. I said you can't make money by sitting on your ass and taking a cut because you "own the company." The workers get all the profits and if they increase efficiency, they get the benefits of the increased profits.

>>712498382
>no personal gain
you would still get paid for building a house.

>>712497095
>80% going to stockholders that didn’t contribute at all
They contributed the capital that made the company possible in the first place, and gave the workers the tools and facilities to use.
You literally understand nothing about how businesses work, or how the world around you works. The ignorance of spiteful mutants like you is astonishing.

>>712498054
why don't you stop being a lazy sack of shit and do something useful?

>>712498382
>at personal expense
At collective expense. The materials belong to the people, and since it's nice to have a place to sleep at, people think that building houses is the right thing to do, and somebody will do that. It could be you, but you're a lazy unproductive piece of shit and you want to just hoard the money.
>and no personal gain
you'll be rewarded for the labour.

>>712498124
Who's going to pay for building new housing? What do they get in return?
Who's going to pay for building new factories? What do they get in return?
Furthermore, what will be the incentive for these to be built at the optimal level of production in each particular local circumstance, i.e., where supply meets demand?

>>712498657
>They contributed the capital that made the company possible in the first place, and gave the workers the tools and facilities to use.
So what entitles them to a cut of the profits in perpetuity, beyond getting paid back initial value of what they provided? Are the workers that actually built the tools and facilities entitled to their salaries for the rest of their lives for making the company possible in the first place?

>>712498829
by participating in capitalism? don't you understand it you inbred nigger? that there is literally no choice and "but you live in a society" is the gotcha you're using?

>>712469442
readign is hadr

>>712498382
>no personal gain
That's where you're wrong. There's lots of personal gain to be had in building houses and factories. It's just that the people supplying the money aren't necessarily the ones getting the personal gain. For example, I could vote for more housing construction in an effort to decrease the cost of rent for myself.

>>712499004
>Who's going to pay for building new housing?
People that want to live there
>What do they get in return?
a house
>Who's going to pay for building new factories?
people that want to work there
>What do they get in return?
a job and profits associated with the business
>Furthermore, what will be the incentive for these to be built at the optimal level of production in each particular local circumstance
profit

>>712499004
>Who's going to pay
The goal is to remove the concept of "paying", but in your words, de facto nobody because the resources don't belong to anyone in particular but to the collective instead.
>What do they get in return
The end product and the rewards for their labor. It's a common good and a common goal. You can live there or not, you can work there or not. You're supposed to work because it's good, and if you don't work you don't get the rewards.
what will be the incentive for these to be built at the optimal level of production in each particular local circumstance
The optimal level of production by itself. You want the house to be nice, right? You don't want people to die because you didn't mix the cement correctly, right?

>>712498506
>That's not what I said.
That IS what you said: >>712496237.
>you can't make money by sitting on your ass and taking a cut because you "own the company."
So what incentive is there for me to start a company?
>The workers get all the profits
Where are they getting their tools, buildings, machines, facilities, management and organization, etc. from?
>if they increase efficiency, they get the benefits
But you said people can only make money by doing labor, not by finding ways to do less labor.

>>712498585
Who will pay me to build houses and factories? Do they get rewarded for accumulating their capital and then putting it to use?

>>712498987
>At collective expense.
No, at personal expense.
Why would I expend my personal labor to continually build houses for other people at no personal return?

>>712499457
>But you said people can only make money by doing labor, not by finding ways to do less labor.
You're still doing the labor if you do it more efficiently. All I'm proposing is cutting out middle men that get paid based on what they own.
>>712499515
see
>>712499268

>>712498987
>you'll be rewarded for the labour.
By whom?

bunkerxisters, we're out of our depth and getting humiliated
return to the discord to receive new talking points about how we'll build a propertyless utopia for realz this time

>>712499457
>So what incentive is there for me to start a company?
You're not supposed to start a company, especially not a profit-oriented private company.
>Where are they getting their tools, buildings, machines, facilities, management and organization, etc. from?
From the same places as usual. Nothing and nobody will just vanish, production and education of the important things won't either.
>But you said people can only make money by doing labor, not by finding ways to do less labor.
Making life easier is a worthy contribution and it should be rewarded. You've just invented something because you think it's gonna make the workers, well, work better. You can keep doing that or whine that it's not money and reveal your true colors.

>>712499029
>So what entitles them to a cut of the profits in perpetuity
Contractual agreement.
If they couldn't profit off it, why would they create it in the first place?

>>712499067
by not being a lazy nigger and doing work other people find useful, you stupid nigger

>>712469894
Why do they insist in using the most unattractive minorities for their DEIshit? I quite literally wouldn't mind all this shit if they could just use conventionally attractive characters for main roles

>>712469089 (OP)
>people think that things that cost more should be held to higher standards
Whoa

>>712469089 (OP)
you are very intelligent

>>712499207
How do I personally gain from doing backbreaking labor building houses and factories?
>For example, I could vote for more housing construction in an effort to decrease the cost of rent for myself.
LMAO! You just perfectly encapsulated the leftist mentality.
>*I*'m not going to be doing any work, of course. I'll be voooting for others to do the work for me.
Fucking kek. Couldn't make this shit up.

>>712499645
Because you want the collective to have it better too. It benefits you as well. You work more you get more.
>>712499716
By the collective.
>>712499881
Collective gain over personal gain. You may not be getting $10 per hammer but you've just made 200 solid hammers that will be used to create a house for 200 people. And you'll be rewarded for doing these hammers because you've contributed to the society. Your true intentions are not important, you're gonna lie with your attitude anyway.

>>712499881
>If they couldn't profit off it, why would they create it in the first place?
The people swinging the hammers created the factory despite not making profit off the results forever. Just want to apply that rule to everyone involved in the process.

>>712500000
Absolute waste of a get. Shame on the house of Ptolemy for such barbarity, shame.

>>712500000
witnessed

>>712499268
>People that want to live there
So… there'll be a market for housing?
>a house
They already have a house. Why would they build *other* people houses?
>people that want to work there
Don't have the capital. They're workers, not investors. They're looking to receive a wage, not give it.
>a job and profits associated with the business
So people who set aside the money to finance the resources, labor, and capital needed to create new factories will be rewarded in the form of profit, correct?
>profit motive
Congratulations. You just reinvented capitalism.

>>712500539
>So… there'll be a market for housing?
Yes. Markets exist in systems other than capitalism
>They already have a house. Why would they build *other* people houses?
because the other people are paying them for the house
>Don't have the capital. They're workers, not investors.
Which is why I'm proposing workers getting the full fruits of their labor instead of capitalists getting a majority share for the sake of owning something
>So people who set aside the money to finance the resources, labor, and capital needed to create new factories will be rewarded in the form of profit, correct?
>Congratulations. You just reinvented capitalism.
Yes. Like I said, incentives remain the same, there are still markets and trade, you just cut out parasitic middle men that take a cut of every transaction

>>712499419
>The goal is to remove the concept of "paying"
So how will Joe incentivize Bob to do something useful for Joe?
>the resources don't belong to anyone in particular but to the collective instead.
So who controls the resources? What incentive does a person have, individually, to maintain said resources? What incentive does a person have, individually, to improve said resources? How do you solve the free-rider problem?

Your retarded collective ownership system has been tried countless times. Plymouth Colony. Jamestown. Agricultural collectivization in the USSR. The Great Leap Forward. On and on and on.
Each time, your retarded vision has resulted in mass famine and poverty.
What makes you think this time it'll be different?

>>712499659
>You're still doing the labor if you do it more efficiently.
But I won't get paid for improving efficiency. You decreed that people can only make money by doing labor. Not by finding ways to make it more efficient.

>>712500165
The collective cannot govern itself passively, you will be awarded by the state actor calling itself the collective.

>>712494145
MANY SUCH CASES

I mistook the game for Outer Wilds and quit on the second ship area when it became clear that trash was only getting more sour. Every man is written as a buffoon, every woman is an empowered lesbian queen, and every interaction has a constant stream of low effort anti-corpo satire. Shit was painful

>>712498829
You’re immediately out of ways to defend your point because it’s a retarded point to make

I make 150k a year at my dream job. Capitalism has treated me great and I don’t even think it needs to go away entirely I just think it needs way more checks and balances. But I’m not a fucking numbskull like you so I understand it’s not hypocritical to critique capitalism while participating in it because you literally have no other choice but to starve.

>>712500539
>So… there'll be a market for housing?
Not market per se. More like a quota that needs to be fulfilled. The housing will be a right that needs to be respected. You *deserve* a house.
>Why would they build *other* people houses?
It's in the common interest to make houses. You have a house, you like your house, you know how nice it is to have a house and people without houses (i.e the homeless) are an issue that we want to solve preferably without mass murder, you understand it and perhaps you'll contribute to making new houses.
>Don't have the capital.
They're not supposed to have it. The term "capital" is meant to be phased out. It's just materials, goods and goals. Like turning bricks into a house and getting a nice TV for it.
>will be rewarded in the form of profit
reward, yes. profit, not really. You have to understand the difference between personal and private property first and I don't think you do.

It is true that the system would rely on people not being greedy fucks and "a bit" more altruistic in general, but just like the modern culture encourages egoism, you can do the opposite.
>So how will Joe incentivize Bob to do something useful for Joe?
Do X for me and I'll do Y for you. Also applies to the group.
>So who controls the resources?
The people.
>individually
Not a thing anymore. Your inner drive is either having nice things because of the rewards for labor or making everybody's lives, yours included, generally better.
>How do you solve the free-rider problem?
No work no food. You work more you get more food. If you can't work you still deserve some food, but if you can you should.
Read about spanish anarchists or the Guarani people, that's the goal.
>You decreed that people can only make money by doing labor. Not by finding ways to make it more efficient.
Labor isn't just digging holes. If you've made the workers' life better it's valuable labor too. Art won't disappear either.

>>712501825
Anon you can’t differentiate between a doctor and a janitor by giving one a white loaf and the other caviar.

>>712501336
If you work at a factory that makes 1000 products a day, and all the profits go directly to the workers, and you find a way to create 2000 products a day and therefore double the profits, you will make more money. Even in the case of someone whose full time job is to analyze a business and propose processes that increase efficiency, that counts as a form of labor. You get paid for DOING not for OWNING.

Funnily enough, under the current system where a worker is paid a set rate, they actually won't get rewarded for increasing efficiency. So if you do, there's more incentive to keep it a secret, fuck around pretending to work half the day, and the company has the same output in the end.

>>712499797
>You're not supposed to start a company, especially not a profit-oriented private company.
Why not? Where will you get the resources to build factories and supply chains and distribution networks? Where will you get the resources to maintain them? Who will be rewarded for maintaining them, and how? Who will be rewarded for finding better ways to create and maintain those entities, and how? And how will you allocate resources to where they're most needed? Where do you get that information from if not from price signals?
Profit motive is what incentivizes people to allocate resources efficiently. Without it, you're just flailing around blindly in the dark. That's why the USSR constantly suffered from overproduction and underproduction of different goods simultaneously.
>From the same places as usual.
From capitalists? You just said capitalists are outlawed.
>Making life easier is a worthy contribution and it should be rewarded.
How?
>You can keep doing that or whine that it's not money and reveal your true colors.
The fact that you're not out there this very moment constantly building houses and factories for other people for free reveals your true colors.
Instead, you're lazy, worthless commie pussy who's spending his time bitching and whining on 4chan. How very revealing.
Go right now and build those houses, comrade.

>>712500165
>It benefits you as well.
How so? What's my reward for laboring under the sweltering sun to build other people houses?
>You work more you get more.
So I get punished for finding ways to work less, correct?
>By the collective.
What do you mean? Who is paying me, and what is that payment? Be concrete.
>Collective gain
So how does my labor benefit me? You just want me to be your slave, like every Communist.
>The people swinging the hammers created the factory
No they didn't. They received said factory to work in. The factory was already there when they were hired.

>>712502194
>You get paid for DOING not for OWNING.
I should clarify, you don't get paid purely for owning. The workers would technically also be the owners which is why they're still getting the rewards for increased efficiency. You just don't get paid ONLY for owning something

>>712500000
Witnessed

>>712502395
>>You work more you get more.
>So I get punished for finding ways to work less, correct?
Double digit IQ holy shit

>>712500965
>Markets exist in systems other than capitalism
Markets are based on the voluntary exchange of private property. It's capitalism by another name.
>because the other people are paying them
Who, exactly? And what is the nature of said "payment"? Be concrete and specific.
>Which is why I'm proposing workers getting the full fruits of their labor instead of capitalists getting a majority share for the sake of owning something
Where will the workers get the capital and management they need to do their work and for that work to be useful? Why don't they do that already?
>you just cut out parasitic middle men
What "parasitic middle men" are you talking about, exactly? If they're not needed, why hasn't the market bypassed them already? Both producers and consumers currently have an incentive to do so.

>>712501751
>commierat pretends to be a homeless bum
>commierat does an about-face and now pretends to be rich
KEK

>>712502814
>4chan is one person

>>712502529
>You work more you get more.
>You work less… you get more?
Try salvaging your own contradiction, stupid rat.

>>712502856
You are definitely one person, you mentally-ill commierat.

>bunkercel still suffering from his mental illness
lmao

>>712502968
>>712502902
nta but you sound deeply asshurt, consider taking time away from the computer

>>712501825
so who's gonna pay me, what's the payment, and who decides how much that payment is? and how's that payment useful to me?

>>712502194
where does the factory come from? who put together the business?

>>712486515
NET

GRAIN

IMPORTER

>>712469089 (OP)
Outer worlds 1 had you getting cucked by the poojeet dyke right? The absolute state of you faggots who Shilled that shit

>>712501825
>>who controls the resources?
>The people.
This is why you can't take commies seriously. Lock them up in mental institutions or blow out their skulls if they try to take power and enslave you.

>>712500000
She's really not that ugly. Just kind of regular ugly.

>>712502902
You work more you get more.
You've found a way to work less for the same amount of time/labour so people have to work less in general. Everybody's life was just made better. That's very valuable work. That counts as more than usual. We'll say that you work even more, you get even more.
This sums up more than half of your painfully bad "arguments".
You're clinically retarded.

>>712503135
Concession accepted. Also
>nta
Lol.

>>712503378
>everyone who tells me I'm mad when I'm clearly mad is the same person
ok, enjoy your unnecessarily high levels of cortisol

>>712503346
She looks high on something. I don't know what but on something

>>712483515
>>712483905
I support a hard and punitive justice system, but GODDAMN, you didn't have to go that hard!

>>712503359
>You work more you get more.
So if I work less, I get less. Right?

this reads like bots arguing with bots

why can't you retards talk about video games

>>712469089 (OP)
>turtelli hat
where's lee?

>>712469089 (OP)
garbage twitter thread?

I say we give every commie a free helicopter ride

>>712503587
/v/ is just /pol/ lite. Sometimes not so lite.

>>712503492
I already accepted your concession, you assblasted commie.

>>712503568
I've already answered your question, you faggot. You're like a bot. If you want another "gotcha" then you're not getting it this time.

>>712469089 (OP)
Will this game have any romance?

>>712503724
>I already accepted your con-ACK *gets grey hair in his 20s and dies 10 years later due to always being stressed out*

>>712503587
Bunkertroons have been trying to "convert" 4chan to communism (lol) for like a decade
It's funny to watch them humiliate themselves every time

>>712503876
>ACK!

>>712469661
I'm a sea food diet. I see fish and I eat it!

>>712503964
I ain't reading all that, have sex incel

Oh no, it's random photos and completely unrelated screencaps, I have to concede

>>712503754
If I work less, I get less.
Yes or no?

>>712503526
Yeah, she has a droopy dog face.

>socialism is when everything is free
your retarded

>>712502701
>It's capitalism by another name.
Sure if you want. I'm interested in results not semantics
>Who, exactly? And what is the nature of said "payment"? Be concrete and specific.
Andy wants a house. He pays currency to Bob, Chuck and Dave who collectively own a construction company to build him a house.
>Why don't they do that already?
Many small businesses are owned by a small group of people that also do all the work. But once they reach a certain size, there is more incentive to underpay other people to do more work while keeping the profits for yourself.
>What "parasitic middle men" are you talking about, exactly?
People that make money purely by owning something(stock, a company, rental property)
>If they're not needed, why hasn't the market bypassed them already? Both producers and consumers currently have an incentive to do so.
Because the only reason not to underpay a bunch of workers and keep all the profits for yourself is if you're principally against it. People try starting their own independent businesses all the time but it's an uphill battle in the modern world with a supersaturated global market where the big players can easily choke you out. You can see a microcosm of this choking out happening in small towns where Wal Mart takes over and drains all the money from the locals.

>>712504001
Tell him, trooncel xister!

>>712504023
Why are you embarrassed by your fellow communist subhumans? They're your kin. You're exactly the same.

>>712504102
>>712504001

>>712504073
>I'm interested in results
No you aren't lol
Unless your intent is to kill as many people as possible
In which case, well done I guess?

>>712504227
>>712504102

>>712469442
Both those names are terrible

>>712504278
>russia not #1 at killing it's own people
>phone photo

grim

>>712504073
>People that make money purely by owning something(stock, a company, rental property)
You mean the people who provided the capital that made the business possible in the first place? And provide the capital to help it grow?

>>712504031
You. Are. A. Bot.

>>712469442
I don’t know you, and I don’t care to know you.

>>712503214
>where does the factory come from? who put together the business?
The people working at the business. They pay for it with an interest-free business loan(possibly a government service, still theorycrafting this idea). More people can be hired on later as the business grows of course, but they are also entitled to a share of the profits.

>>712504558
Well feast on this tasty morsel you apple crumble cunt:

They don't have a lot to do it is not a lot of money on it for the first year of a month but I can do that for the first one of them but it is the same as the first time back to work and we are in the US and I have to be in the US and have a great time to meet you and the kids are you guys and I will have to get a job at least a few minutes to get there get some rest of the house so we can get it to the store owner backed up by the door at the end of story but I don't know if I will be available to talk to him about the time and time to meet up with him but he doesn't know what to do with it and I don't know if I will be there

>>712503645
>/v/
>polite

>>712486114
Leftism is about oppressing minorities.

>>712501751
doubt

>>712504754
Tsar Nicholas II surely was successful...

>>712504278
I thought I just created capitalism with another name? Why are you blaming me for communist countries' crimes?

>>712504070
>your

>>712488773
Now compare the revenue of the gaming industry between those two years, faggot.

>>712504558
Whatever helps you sleep at night, commie rat.

>>712504469
Yeah.

>>712504651
>The people working at the business.
Those were hired after the business was created. Who created the business? And why?

>>712473590
>pay person for entertainment
>get lecture
>"This isn't what I bought..."
>"Ah, so you're a regressive troglodyte who eats without a tablecloth then?"
>"That's mean"
>"It's the truth. You are a disgusting waste of oxygen. If you wish forgiveness for this transgression, for this sin, agree with my message"

>>712505064
>Who created the business? And why?
The first people that worked there. For profit.

>>712504651
>still theorycrafting this idea
kek
commies really are children
we can give them toys and keep them locked up for entertainment

>>712504935
I'm just having fun exposing your internal contradictions. Don't shoot the messenger.

>>712505043
The core reason the business exists cannot be "parasitic". That's a contradiction. Again.

>>712477538
>trains, planes and cars were created by violent upheaval

>>712505129
>The first people that worked there.
But they didn't. Those people were hired. So who hired them?
And are you saying only people who were there at the beginning can be owners?

>>712505274
Private capital being necessary for creating a business is part of what I want changed.

>>712505348
See
>>712504651
>More people can be hired on later as the business grows of course, but they are also entitled to a share of the profits.

I don't think any side of this """conversation"" is honest.

>>712504651
>interest-free business loan
>interest-free
You know interest is just a price on money/financing, just like any other scarce resource in existence. And there are many possible things money/financing can be applied to. Who will decide how to allocate said scarce resource, and on what objective basis?

>>712505370
Explain what exactly you intend to "change", why it should be changed, and how you intend to change it.
You're just a little kid.

>>712505441
Again, those people were hired.
Why would I take the risk and effort to start a business if I can just free-ride off someone else starting a business, or an existing business?
What's the incentive for me, specifically, to be the one to start a business? Including undergoing all the research and effort that entails (which future "workers", as you call them, will simply free-ride off)?

>>712500000
>That god tier quintuple

>>712505452
Communists are never honest.
They'll say anything they think it'll take to enslave you under their totalitarian system.

Communists celebrate mass death and human misery, so they are by default evil and wrong about everything.

>>712469442
I really think people stop having creativity to name games, these days you have some game about the Sea and the name is some bland shit like
>Sea of the unknown
>Finders of the Sea
>Sea of mysteries

>>712487698
And that's a good thing

>>712497954
>1910
People still use the 'king cotton' argument today to say that slaves built the American economy.

>>712505315
>Planes weren't rapidly advanced through war

>>712505851
The other side(s?) is not honest either.

People are not equal.
Not in ability, strength, industriousness, grit, discipline, intelligence, courage, virtue, creativity, or any other personal trait.
You'd be more hard-pressed to find ways in which people are equal than ways in which they aren't.
To expect or desire equal outcomes is fundamentally irrational.
It's lunacy.

Egalitarianism is a lie.

>One of the most mid games ever created
>Gets a sequel
I thought games had to actually do well to get sequels?

>>712504651
>still theorycrafting this idea
Socialists are mentally children.

>>712506654
It apparently did well, I guess people fell for the "from the creators of New Vegas" line

>>712496954
>Hoarding wealth, land, and resources only harms the world.
It reduces birthrates.
Which reduces wars.
And increases the amount of resources that can be divided amongst the populace.
The richest countries do not have the most people.

>>712506524
How so?

>>712472235
>incest
The only populations with statistically significant levels of consanguinity are muslims, jews, indians (and really only from northern india), and sub-saharans

>>712469680
Zoomer writers:

UGH badguy mcgee is skiibirizzing no cap frfr skull emoji.

>>712506629
You're a human, the most intelligent creature on Earth, you should respect fellow humans.
All of your "arguments" are just methods of the elites to control the masses and disrupt any chance to organize and fight back. Discord is exactly what allows opportunists to thrive.

the only people truly worthy of hate are unionists

>>712505465
yeah the interest free part is probably more of a long term pipe dream. business loans would probably work fairly similarly to now but also have more government grants and incentives to encourage more business
>>712505559
>Explain what exactly you intend to "change"
no more making money purely for owning something(stock, a company, rental property). initial investment handled by government incentives
>why it should be changed
People that make tons of money have incentives that are counter to the well being of the rest of the population
>how you intend to change it.
government but realistically i don't think this will be changed in my lifetime if ever
>>712505698
>Why would I take the risk and effort to start a business if I can just free-ride off someone else starting a business, or an existing business?
prime mover boost, you see opportunity in a supply/demand gap, you can still get more money for seniority, its a product you're passionate about, you don't like the current company you're at, lots of reasons
>which future "workers", as you call them, will simply free-ride off
don't hire any then

>>712506860
Humans are not equal.

>>712506907
>more government
That's all socialism really comes down to. More state control over every aspect of life. Less freedom. Less choice. More violence. More coercion.

>>712507139
The contractual law the enables profiting off private property is created and enforced by the government. Changing that law isn't "more government"

>>712506778
Only one of the sides is not trying to discuss but just trap the enemy through logic. Make them say things they want to hear, even when they know they don't mean it. There's probably a better name for it but I'm not that interested in the meta aspect of debates. The whole thing is fundamentally pointless because nobody is going to change their minds and the opinions are, to say the least, rather radical. They're not on equal footing either because one of the sides is thoroughly convinced that the other side should respect two different contradicting ideologies at the same time. And coincidentally only one of the sides is happy about the current situation.
I don't know why I'm here at almost 6 AM but it's funny. Or at least was because now it's just sad.

>>712506907
>People that make tons of money have incentives that are counter to the well being of the rest of the population
Wrong. They have incentives that are by and large in line with the rest of the population. Unlike a State. That's why capitalism works. You earn more by making things people want, in greater quantity, at a lower price.
That's why capitalism has lifted billions of people out of poverty, while socialism has only created poverty and misery.

https://rd.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230114319_3
>Compared to those that were less free, countries with higher economic freedom ratings during 1980–2005 had lower rates of both extreme and moderate poverty in 2005. More importantly, countries with higher levels of economic freedom in 1980 and larger increases in economic freedom during the 1980s and 1990s achieved larger poverty rate reductions than economies that were less free. These relationships were true even after adjustment for geographic and locational factors and foreign assistance as a share of income. The positive relations between the level and change in economic freedom and reductions in poverty were both statistically significant and robust across alternative specifications.

>>712506973
Good goy, good.

It will be pirated either way.

>>712469089 (OP)
>4chan post
>4chan post but posted on twitter with engagement metrics
Why not just post the 4chan post you fucking stooge

>>712506907
>no more making money purely for owning something(stock, a company, rental property)
Then no one would save and invest.
>initial investment handled by government incentives
LOL. Government has terrible incentives, and little incentive to do anything efficiently. It's like you've never been in the real world.

>>712469089 (OP)
>here's my totally reasonable alternative to a system that has a longer successful track record in human history of having functional economies
>makes your first world nation poor
>destroy real economic growth
>rob all farmers
>kills free expression
>establish gulags for thought criminals
>send everyone to reeducation camps that can't adapt to your flawed economics or way of governing
>create fake pseudo states that don't have real governments but party governments
>starve populace to death
>create arbitrary definitions for bourgeoisie (if they're making too much money, they're making too much and hence they must forfeit)
>system is so peaceful and harmonious with the world that it just has to keep invading and expanding itself

>>712469089 (OP)
Clockwork revolution mogged outer worlds 2 at the showcase

>>712507303
The difference is that one side wants to enslave you, and take away all your money and property to do with as they see fit.
The fact that you don't acknowledge this is very telling.

>>712507362
>in greater quantity, at a lower price
exactly. huge incentive to give your employees more work and less money

>>712507367
Humans are not equal.

>>712507362
> Compared to those that were less free, countries with higher economic freedom ratings during 1980–2005 had lower rates of both extreme and moderate poverty in 2005
Big if true

>>712502194
>creating more = more profit
That's not how economics works. Even communists know that.

>>712507681
That's why people risk their lives to escape from socialist shitholes to capitalist countries, right?
Dumbfuck predditor.

>>712487540
The worst thing Homelander did was let Butcher live.

>>712507679
Which posts say that they want to enslave me?

>>712507681
Everyone has an incentive to get more work from other people for less money. That's a universal of existence.
But capitalism works better than socialism. Because employers also need to compete for employees.

>>712508173
>Everyone has an incentive to get more work from other people for less money. That's a universal of existence.
There's an incentive to kill people and take all their stuff, too. That's why we made it illegal.

>>712507837
Aww, the butthurt commie rat is seething because he can't refute the facts that hurt his feelings-fees :(
As a special treat, here's more for you to cope with:
mohrsiebeck.com/en/article/the-relationship-between-economic-freedom-and-poverty-rates-cross-country-evidence-101628jite-2020-0042
>We study the relationship between economic freedom and poverty rates in 151 countries over a twenty-year period. Using the World Bank's poverty headcounts of those living on less than $1.90 per day, $3.20 per day, and $5.50 per day, we find evidence that economic freedom, measured by the Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom, is associated with lower poverty rates. We also test the effect of various components of the Index of Economic Freedom. We find that a government's integrity and a country's trade freedom are associated with lower poverty rates. We check the robustness of our results using alternative freedom indices.

>>712469089 (OP)
>you see a reaction image
>creepy cat face shoved up the camera
Too close, a little too close.

>>712508152
All posts that defend or advocate socialism.
But you already knew that, didn't you?

>>712508469
Quote the enslavement part.
Or are you perhaps dishonest?

>>712508316
Ok. Your post is a non sequitur to mine.

>>712506387
>start of WWI
>propellor planes
>end of WWII
>propellor planes
>first passenger flight by jet was 1952
WWI and WWII delayed going to the moon by 30 years. It was initially the British Empire that was going to go up there.

You failed to discredit my mention of trains and cars.
You cannot discredit the steam engine, refrigeration, electricity, vaccination and numerous other advances that had nothing to do with war, conflict or as you originally put it, violent upheaval, i.e. rebellion.
And need I remind you that the only successful rebellions in history were backed by people with power, not peasants with pitchforks?

>>712469089 (OP)
>game criticizing white men being scary violent fascist genociders
>female and/or minority MC commits various acts of terrorism and kills over 1000s of men during the course of the game
Really makes you think

>>712508404
>Capitalist memes
Just how fucking old are you, 16? Judging by the mobile filenames, probably.

>>712508540
Thanks for revealing your true motives.
You're upset that your socialist ideology is being disparaged and torn to pieces in this thread.
That's the real reason you're upset.

>>712508541
If there is an incentive to do something harmful, it is in our best interest to deter it.

>>712473342
Welcome to the club, It's a big club.

>>712508623
I have no idea what you're talking about, but thanks for confirming how dishonest you are. I guess you were the one who wanted to kill the people in this thread too.

>>712508540
socialism is enslavement on a societal scale, by definition
socialists want you to work for the state, i.e. the party elite they envision themselves to be a part of, for free

>>712508754
you don't know what socialism is

>>712508751
Thanks for confirming you're a socialist who's buttmad that your totalitarian ideology is being exposed for the evil farce it is

>>712508754
Do black market economies do well under socialism? nta, just a random dude asking a random question.

>>712508754
Not a single mention of what you're talking about

>>712508671
Another non sequitur post.

>>712508815
They often "do", but "well" is not a good word I think.

>>712508860
I don't know what you think we're talking about then.

>>712508609
Did I hurt your feelings, commielard? :(

>>712508929
You've posted that already you retard

>>712508803
yes I do, that's why I hate you and your insane ideology

>>712508914
Well, if the government is shit then normalfags like me are probably gonna have to depend on black markets to get what we need. So it's something I need to know before that shit goes down.

>>712508853
>"owned by the community as a whole"
Hmmm…

>>712508815
>Do black market economies do well under socialism?
The black market economy IS the Soviet Union. It was how it thrived under all eras. Not to mention that organized crime under communism is state controlled. And most of that is still alive today.

>>712508973
You don't and that's why you think socialism is when government does stuff.

>>712508926
You're just mentally ill and can't follow a conversation, like a lot of leftists.

>>712509024
>organized crime [...] is state controlled
Contradictory

>>712508754
Capitalists want you to work for a corporate bureaucrat for a fraction of the value you provide the company

>>712508967
>WAAAAAH YOU CAN'T HURT MY FEE-FEES AGAIN
Leftists are such babies lol

>>712474807
>intellectual property like patents stifling creativity
Sometimes they do spark creativity. Some asshole charges exorbitant fees for people to use his patent. Some creative fuck designs a workaround that works/performs close enough and charges lower fees.

>>712509080
It's implying that the state itself is criminal.

You've just wasted over 8 hours on arguing with strangers on the internet. Strangers who despise you btw.

>>712509025
yes I do, that's why I hate you and your insane ideology

>>712509080
Not at all. That's called revolutionary truth. There can't be a contradiction to any of it if you really understand communism.

>>712509090
Which company is forcing me to work for them?
>a fraction of the value you provide the company
How did you compute this alleged "value", oh wise neckbeard basement-dweller of the 4chins? And on what axioms?

>>712509161
The state decides what crime is and what it isn't, though. The state controls law enforcement. What the state does is the law by extension, thus it can't be considered a crime, not within the state at least.

>>712509068
I've been consistently defending the point that capital owners have incentives that are harmful to the rest of society and it would be good to change that incentive structure, perhaps it's you who isn't following.

>>712509345
No you haven't. You claiming something doesn't make it true. Your base assertion is not an argument.
Meanwhile, I've provided empirical data that debunks your claim.

bunkerxisters, we failed to proselytize our batshit ideology AGAIN
return to the discord to regroup and decide on next steps

>>712508853
The problem with this shit is social policies within a capitialist core aren't fucking socialism. Words have distinct meaning. When you say Socialism it implies the entire core structure for the entirecountry's function. Which is why it's so easy to just waive off and dismiss when some lefty starts advocating for it. Idiots want something and don't know how to properly label it.
Let's not pretend people don't know what they mean though, both sides are full of the stupidest dipshits imaginable.

>>712509235
>Which company is forcing me to work for them?
picrel
>How did you compute this alleged "value", oh wise neckbeard basement-dweller of the 4chins? And on what axioms?
if they make a profit, they definitionally had fewer expenses(which includes payroll) than revenues(value created by the workers output). Though it is true that an individual worker could produce less than what they get paid, which is why slackmaxxing at work is the most rational choice for an employee.

>>712509575
>muh both sides
Nigger, why don't you move to a commie shithole to see the consequences of their ideology with your own eyes?

>>712509274
State can decide whatever it wants, but if it can't control it then those decisions do not matter. But it's being implied here that the state does control everything, because apparently anon thinks the state is a god and can do godlike things. Using that logic the state is indeed criminal.

>>712469089 (OP)
How much should an anti-capitalist game cost according to anti-capitalists?

>>712509624
So none. Got it.
Meanwhile, the state literally steals from my paycheck and I have no choice in the matter.

>>712509482
>I've provided empirical data that debunks your claim.
You provided data that "more free markets" lead to less poverty, which I've largely ignored because I'm not arguing against free markets. I'm arguing about adjusting the incentive structure within a free market.

>>712509750
>Meanwhile, the state literally steals from my paycheck and I have no choice in the matter.
I thought no one was forcing you to work?

>>712509624
You failed prove your claim.
But you already know that.

>>712509723
No matter what they're gonna say, pro-capitalists will claim that they're hypocrites. It's a lose-lose situation and that's why this whole discussion was fucking pointless. Entirely dishonest from the start.

>>712509723
$0, because one should labor for the collective for free, per the socialist ITT

>>712509798
Correct, no company forces me to work for them.
Meanwhile, the state steals from my paycheck, no matter where I choose to work.

>>712509942
>no matter where I choose to work.
So don't work. You're not being forced to

>>712509819
socialists are always dishonest because their single-minded goal is to take total control of your life and money

>>712509942
Just don't work, the state won't steal from you.

>>712469442
>Wii
>Wii U

>Xbox
>Xbox One
>Xbox One S

>>712510003
Mindbroken.

>>712509980
But I do want to work.
It's the state's theft of my income that I don't have a say over.

>>712510003
Best thing to own under socialism is people. Be it through blackmail or the threat of violence. That's why the mob does so well in communist and socialist environments.

>>712510069
>t. spiteful mutant

>>712510085
It's your choice to work so you're dealing with the consequences of it.

>>712510204
This isn't telling you what you think it is

>>712510226
That's like saying it's my choice that a mafioso steals from me because it's my choice to work.
You're mentally retarded and/or mentally-ill. Probably both, since you're a leftist.

>>712510274
It's telling me that leftists are mentally-ill spiteful mutant freaks who should be locked up in mental asylums for the good of humanity.

>>712510302
You're the one that said you aren't forced to work. If that's a solution for avoiding capitalist labor exploitation, it should be a solution for taxtheft

>>712510378
No, it's not.
The solution is me working for whoever I like and you (and the State) fucking off from our business.
You bloodsucking commie rat parasitical leech.