Thread 712641387

Is it a design decision or is there some necessary tech that doesn't allow colors? It kinda makes every place look samey.

>>712641387 (OP)
Because better graphics means muh realism to these idiots.

Good old anti soul fog

>>712641387 (OP)
how can you even make moo moo meadows soulless?

>>712641387 (OP)
the newer ones look better
seethe and kys

>>712641387 (OP)
stop smoking my nintendo games

>wtf why are they applying color more selectively and not just putting 100% saturation and flat colors on everything?
based retard

>>712642043
Well you can frame it however you like but the fact is that the older versions look better and anyone who disagrees is either a paid shill or just a drone doing it for free.

>>712641387 (OP)
use hdr nigger

it's a lot of things
gamma correction, overuse of atmospheric perspective, probably a lot to do with cheap international labor just rolling with whatever the default UE5 / engine shaders are
could also be because they know most people have shitty LCDs with awful contrast ratios so they cater to those and wash out the image

>>712641806
MK8 already did that tbf

>>712641387 (OP)
i've been playing MKDS while I'm on planes, it's so fucking good. I gotta get a 3ds emulator to play some MK7 next

>>712641387 (OP)
Garbage bloom and fog, lazy homogenized texture work they try to compensate for with special effects
>>712641876
>the 2025 game looks better than the game 30 years ago
The point is the 2025 game could look better than it does. And I can't blame anyone for prefering the original aesthetic

>>712642918
>Garbage bloom and fog, lazy homogenized texture work they try to compensate for with special effects

>>712642387
zamn. is there more like this

>>712641387 (OP)
Maybe this is a stupid question, but why don't modern devs just try turning off the fog? Or at least giving it an off option?

>>712643625
>an option
because it shits on competitive balance

>>712643625
The fog is there because the game wouldn’t be able to run well without it. The fog masks lower poly and res models in the distance.

>>712641387 (OP)
that fucking fog

>>712644226
>>712644390

>>712642043
yes color looks good, it's weird for mario of all games to think it's above that now

>>712644390
>>712644471
>>712644509
Now show the framerate kek

>>712643275
Eh, everyone knows the MK8D DLC courses were lazy ports, probably because the main devs were working on World.

>>712644649
and sharp contrast without vaseline fog isn't unrealistic

>>712644226
Not always, sometimes it's the opposite and fog can cost you fucking 30 frames. See Monster Hunter games. For some reason devs think this shit looks good and is worth the frames

>>712642387
Is my taste shit or is the bottom not that bad? I think I’d agree with the premise of this thread but that level is meant to be a shady jungle. Can we get a sunset vista comparison?

DQ11 has a lot of color and vibrant environments

>>712644824
And that's just the volumetric fog in World, there are cheap fog filters that aren't even supposed to hide anything but are tied to events like specific monsters appearing (the new MH Wilds does that too, which is why some places look like shit 50% the time)

>>712644509
a middle ground would be good here, like the fog should make the snowy mountains look far away but there is no reason to mask the small hills right in front of you

>>712644689
>Now show the framerate kek
It's literally the exact same settings but with fog disabled with an ini file. So the bottom one runs better.

>>712642918
>Fantasy Life
This game is unplayable for me because of this bloom, not even memeing. The only reason I'm not buying it (well and co-op seems shitty).

>>712645326
well the way the fog is working it must be right over the water, otherwise the mountains would be further obscured if there was fog all the way from the lake to the mountain. The way it is here it must be a solid straight vertical fog wall

>>712641387 (OP)
>still no Wario Colosseum

I want to blame open world but Mario Kart 8 already did this so no idea

>>712646379
is this the OG or remake?

Modded Oblivion is king

>>712646498
this one is grim, it's like the new team didn't understand the nes mario reference

>>712646413
>right
I hate when they make desert sand almost greenish. Neither realistic nor does it look good, so why do it?

>>712641558
And as we all know real life has no colors, especially the past!

>>712643092
so we are just supposed to assumme there is always a wildfire somewhere nearby

>>712641387 (OP)
>is there some necessary tech that doesn't allow colors?
Yes, basically. Advanced lighting techniques don't allow for the kind of vibrant game that you want

>>712647174
>color
>pixels
>photos
>1800
What?

>>712641387 (OP)
Nintendo is trying to appeal to westerners.

Most people are also shit at calibrating their displays. Online vids are also crap because they by default blow up the gamma too, so something on an actual display is usually darker with more contrast.

I know the game is old and all, but FFXI hits the perfect level of good visual comfyness for me despite the low fidelity
I've never seen a game in recent years that didn't feel like a chore to look at things more than 10 feet away

>>712648014
this is kinda true but you can always balance it out by just using higher contrast colors. what nintendo does though is they use new lighting AND more muted colors

>>712649043
to be fair, the music and the ambient sounds do a LOT of heavy lifting too

https://youtu.be/dE3gSCk1_Ik?si=6iiYjvJUO4bwYc0J

>>712644824
>>712644961
>>712645147
MH peaked with 4th gen

>>712649119
Well of course, the zone I posted has the best zone theme in all of vidya
https://youtu.be/HHKL1ivrtOM
But despite that, the visuals still work for me in an indescribable way that modern games can't fulfill; mostly probably the fart fog that shouldn't realistically be as heavy as it actually is
If games are trying to be realistic, the real world really isn't that foggy
(picrel is the lonesome lake in New Hampshire)

>>712641387 (OP)
>Is it a design decision
Yes. According to their dev interview, they're trying to create the feeling of a real life 'road trip' where one landscape subtly blends into the next over time. The nods to realism, the subdued and even melancholy look of the world, are clearly part of that.

The road trip vibe of the game is why I exclusively use bikes. It feels more natural with the game than little go karts. Highly autistic? Perhaps, but I stand by it.

>>712641387 (OP)
>changed the comfy wooden fence just because grinding on it wouldn't look right
Yikes.

>>712642595
There are mods that supposedly unfuck it but haven't tried them.

>>712650240
it's so aids that they removed wheelies though, especially with how many straight lines mkw has. who even asked for this?

>>712641387 (OP)
People complained about the DLC tracks in 8 looking cheap compared to the base game due to the solid colors.

Now obviously World was in development before 8's later DLC, so it wasn't in reaction to that, but it shows why they'd go this direction with the art style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBly7QHQkYA

>>712650140
Real life has colors. And Mario isn't even close to real life

>>712641387 (OP)
the bottom right in mario kart 8 looked like dogshit tbf

>>712650809
I mean, charge jump basically takes the place of wheelies as what you do in straights. it's also what allows you to jump into walls and grinding surfaces which is often useful for those segments.

>>712650906
>people complained about mk8 making tracks less colorful so mk world made tracks less colorful
wat

>>712651063
>I mean, charge jump basically takes the place of wheelies
Charging literally slows you down bro.

>>712651063
i liked the risk/reward of wheelies and the animation was nice

>>712651115
The Booster pass DLC tracks had stronger solid colors than the base 8DX game, it's the base game which was less colorful like what the op is complaining about. But in actually moving away from that got the Booster pass called cheap looking.

>>712646632
What was the actual reasoning behind turning the bloom to 200%?
Were they all wearing sunglasses in the office?

>>712651063
unless you're jumping onto something that cuts time doing a charge jump is slower than driving straight

>>712651480
The phone tracks just looked like shit in general because they were phone tracks. Low poly and textureless

>>712651656
Actually I think it's even slower then or at least not faster. You have to jump onto a wall from a ramp to be really faster. It's a weird fucking game, tons of cryptic mechanics and code

>>712642387
bruh

>>712642387
>le UE5!
nigger it's NINTENDO in the OP
stop deflecting for your favorite company and blaming "cheap international labor" you tendie

>>712653431
>no visible texture tiles
We lost the tech

>>712654057
nintendo does use unreal engine

>>712654196
mario kart is not made in unreal
you think these jews would want to pay 5% of all profits to timmy?

>>712641387 (OP)
zoomers in big cities only know landscapes full of contaminated fog and smoke

Gotta make the games closer to their reality

>>712654389
>mario kart is not made in unreal
not sure about mario kart. i know pikmin 4 is for example

>>712641387 (OP)
They even made Smash Bros. look washed out, it's definitely on purpose. Why? No clue.

>>712655118
The rich have created a technology to syphon the soul out of video games to extend their lifespan. It's the only explanation.

>>712654742
more proof the game was hastily cobbled together

>>712641387 (OP)
Let's not pretend mario kart wii didn't have an ugly vaseline smear over everything

>>712654660
Rise is fun so it gets a pass there, but visually the MH series could be a case study for how bad the games could look despite any "technological advancements"

>>712655781
Meanwhile

>>712650721
holy soul

>>712647737
>no differently colored cataquacks
SOILED IT
SOILED IT

>>712655118
low iq attempt to create a more "cohesive" image. it's like when you photoshop a shitpost meme picture and add the grain filter at the end

It just looks washed out

>>712655781
No need for dishonest comparisons though. The village looks great for the most part, it's the hunting zones that look meh

Just shit on the games senpai, zoomers and normalfags can't even tell the difference.

>>712655118
>>712656924
i don't like calling it 'washed out', it's covered in vaseline and the textures are boring is the problem. washed out sounds almost flattering and makes me think of games with a nice cozy pastel look like picrel

>>712649398
>1080
The game didn't look like that

>BCP comes out
>wtf why are the visuals so trash unlike the sovlful MK8 base courses?
>MKW comes out
>wtf why are the visuals so trash unlike the sovlful BCP courses?

>>712650721
that looks fucking awful

>>712658827
It can and WILL get worse.

>>712658827
no one said this, all of those are bad

>>712641387 (OP)
It's the HDR, my friend

>>712659826
tendie bros, we can cope again

MK8 is the most retarded Mario Kart ever, just looking at its new gimmicks tells you that
>anti gravity so you can.............drive like normally and it doesn't even feel upside down because the camera adjusts
>driving underwater so you can.................drive..........but underwater
MKW is at least a step up from 8

>>712660113
>>driving underwater so you can.................drive..........but underwater
some other mk introduced that iirc. but yes driving on water really makes a lot more sense with the wave race physics

>>712660113
MK8 was the logical conclusion of the mariokart formula since MKWii. World is the first time they've experiemented with the formula since DD.
Also as the other anon pointed out, underwater driving was from MK7.

>>712641387 (OP)
Gerontocracy

>>712660302
>retarded gimmicks that make no sense are the logical conclusion
And let's not forget that when people say they like MK8 they mean 8 Deluxe. Base 8 is one of the shittiest games ever made where you can hold only one item and 80% the time that's a coin so you can't defend yourself with anything

>>712641387 (OP)
It's volumetric fog (aka "anti-soul gas") to give the environments the illusion of depth. You can see in each comparison that the areas DO look larger despite being roughly the same physical space. I don't think it's worth sacrificing vibrancy though.

why does everyone game do that these days? every game has this whitish fog, feels like the gamma is way too high. its so weird.

>>712660113
Anti-gravity led to more interesting track design and its absence is painfully felt in World which has some of the most boring track design in the franchise.

>>712641387 (OP)
keep seething ericasnoy

>>712660546
Desire for faux-realism and the illusion of depth.

>>712641387 (OP)
They aren't.

>>712660487
>>retarded gimmicks that make no sense
They were just to add more environments to race in since everything had been done by that point, then the DLC (the original Wii U DLC, not the booster course) had to resort to including other nintendo IPs since by mariokart 8 they'd done everything post-MKWii formula could accommodate. Gliding/underwater driving (both from MK7) were just a way to add more environment variety to race on, same with MK8's antigrav gimmick which functionally doesn't do much. MK8D tweaked item balance and patched the unintended firehopping mechanic (technically an exploit?), but is still derivative of MKWii's racing style. World is the biggest change the series' racing has had in a long time, for better or worse.

>>712661010
crowds are out of bounds areas, would be an unfair shortcut if it's only possible with a feather.

>>712650721
Why are the leaves on the trees completely unshaded?

>>712661076
Nice """"""""open"""""""" world game fag

>>712661076
>mario kart
>fair

>>712661179
it literally is not an open world, not even nintendo calls it that

>>712661076
There are tons of shortcuts only possible with mushrooms.

>>712661302
Yeah, since shrooms are extremely common. Feathers aren't as common.

>>712661257
>it's called Mario Kart World because UHHHHHHHHH

>>712661395
it's an interconnected world, not an open world

>>712661360
The feather lets you jump. You should be allowed to use it to jump. If you can't get shortcuts with it what's even the point?

>>712661360
>gaining advantage through a brainless rare item like a Bullet Bill
>fair
>gaining advantage through a rare item like a feather AND using it skillfully in a trick location
>not fair

>>712661485
It's meant to be a dodging item, not a shortcut item like shrooms

>>712650809
>it's so aids that they removed wheelies though
A reason I dropped the series, they had a great new mechanic that makes the games less boring and removed it for no reason. That's like removing slipstreaming. Also removing Funky for no reason but adding 20 babies pissed me off
>>712651063
The fastest way to go in MKW is literally doing nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmwKJiP4r-8

>>712661538
>noooo you're playing it wrong
So much for Nintendo being a dev focusing primarily on fun

>>712661526
they nerfed bullet bill into the fucking ground this game for that exact reason, it barely does shit anymore. Conversely, golden shrooms are buffed since they're fairer.

>>712641387 (OP)
Colors are for kids and gays

>>712661538
According to who? Is it conversely unfair that you can dodge blue shells with a mushroom then?

>>712661257
Nintendo is just a special snowflake, of course it's open world the way people use the term today

>>712661617
an OP shortcut that nobody else in the race has a chance to attempt is not fun for everyone else
>>712661634
>Is it conversely unfair that you can dodge blue shells with a mushroom then?
No, since mushrooms are extremely common.
>>712661697
It ain't open world as you cannot go everywhere and cannot leave your vehicle, even in free-roam mode lakitu takes you away from certain areas if they're too far off the main path.

>>712661631
that's why it's weird this game doesn't have them

>>712661818
>It ain't open world as you cannot go everywhere and cannot leave your vehicle, even in free-roam mode lakitu takes you away from certain areas if they're too far off the main path.
90% of games that are called open world aren't really fully open

>>712661818
>No, since mushrooms are extremely common.
What does that have to do with anything? Would that make mushrooms even more of a problem because that can be used more often?

>>712661818
>an OP shortcut that nobody else in the race has a chance to attempt is not fun for everyone else
As opposed to OP items that only people in the back are allowed to get?

>>712661598
>Also removing Funky for no reason but adding 20 babies pissed me off
bringing him back almost a decade later when everyone moved on was like insult to injury

>>712662050
Let me make it clearer
>rare item allowing for a huge shortcut/skip = bad
>common item allowing for a shortcut = good
This is because players have a reasonable opportunity to use the same item during the race as it's so common.
>>712662102
As I already said, bullet bills were nerfed HARD. Same with the star which barely lasts a few seconds. Only the golden mushroom is helpful, but requires some skill to use properly for shortcutting.

>>712662293
Should give you 5-10 more seconds I feel like, otherwise it was a good way to diversify items and make it so they aren't 100% guaranteed to give you something you want

>>712655945
Capcom is either the best shitty game studio or the shittiest good game studio, no one fumbles greatness like they do. Well I guess Nintendo is up there.

>>712661832
I've been hearing reports this broke Mii Fighters in Smash

>>712644226
That's how it works when Pajeets don't design your games.

>>712654103
I can tell the background grass texture is tiling, but you barely see it in-game so I don't really care.

>>712655118
I think Ultimate is supposed to be in-between the saturated Smash 4 look and the desaturated Brawl look

>>712664465
>some games may use style as a gender indicator
This is basically a way of saying games are still programmed to have the male-looking one be male and the female-looking one be female, so the Switch 2 should still have support for male and female Miis

>>712641387 (OP)
Because you need HDR display to get the colors.

>>712666434
>HDR changes art direction
crazy how that works

>>712667326
op isn't talking about art direction but color

>>712666434
tendies keep saying this, any comparison videos in mkw?

>>712667543
do you have a HDR monitor?
afaik youtube doesn't support 10bit HDR color depth either

>>712666434
Every current gen game has HDR and they don't look this shit in screenshots, stupid excuse

>>712644226
If only something could mask the lower poly in the foreground.

Nintendo is destroying Mario Kart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iEid5Y_Oxw

>>712668575
the polycount in this game is actually 6th gen level

>>712669452
actually a good video desu, maybe the best one shitting on this game yet

>>712669452
>everyone liked kart collecting
no i didn't
cohesive kart designs are a thousands times better, especially when each part isn't tied to how good your stats are

>>712670438
>kart collecting
*kart customization

>>712644390
>>712644471
i don't wanna outright kill the fog in oblivion. i think it looks better if there's a little bit of fog, so long as it starts at an appropriate distance, like in the original oblivion

NOOOOOOOO NOT THE COLOR IM GOING INSANE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHH

>>712671809
>literally the most important thing about a game is what you see
>just stop caring about it and consume!

>>712669592
Who cares, get a life loser

>>712671809
Funny, for the last 30 years Nintendo fans bragged about their games being the most vibrant. Opinions shift like the weather when you have no integrity.

>>712670438
But wasn’t it funny that all the childish toy like parts universally were the ones with the best hidden meta stats

nintendo is no more, it's just millennial fags working there now

>>712668341
They do, but you don't play games so you wouldn't know.

>>712641387 (OP)
Why the fuck does every game have that gay fog?

>>712674049
devs memed into thinking it was cool

>>712674049
Isn't that just naturalistic lighting ray tracing provides?

>>712673876
>literally barely a difference compared to the comparisons in OP
Retard. But yes I'm sure HDR removes the fog and magically turns the water from 2004 Half Life 2 water into the azure/navy blue Mario used to have

Some shill on Youtube uploads HDR videos; it still looks pretty weird. The character models become such a color vomit that it fries your retinas too.

games are simply uglier today

>>712675463
unironically looks better than mario kart

>>712661360
>>712661076
>Shortcut locked behind powerups
>in MY mario kart
are you retarded? this has always been a thing. even mario kart on the fucking SNES has feather-only shortcuts

>>712675642
I bet he just cranks up the saturation. This looks brutal

>>712641558
real life has colors tho

>>712676181
>I bet he just cranks up the saturation
That's pretty much what HDR does

>>712655781
>Bottom pic
Nice Skyrim mod

>>712676314
Reminds me of the difference between LKS and games like Fantasy Life today. From

>>712658463
washed out simply means the colors are faded. just like washing your clothes too much will fade the colors.

>>712676713
to

Why the fuck do devs put on that shitty fog on every game these days?

>>712676815
i don't get how almost no one criticizes this game's blinding lighting effects

>>712676925
Got examples?

>>712675463
There are indie games with vivid colors from time to time, but I've basically never seen one strike the gold balance between saturated yet natural and believable that old games used to have like Sunshine

Pic related is saturated and crisp, but it looks fucking awful, completely electric and fake

>>712677237
looks like you are already blind because of the game
>>712676815
it's overexposed and everything reflects the sun as if hovers 2 feet above the game world

>>712675463
>2004 Half Life 2 water into the azure/navy blue Mario used to have
Oh good, I'm not the only one who thinks Mario Sunshine's water looks a million times better than HL2's despite being made for much weaker hardware.

>>712678168
wtf

>>712678191
Blame them reusing the Spiral Mountain model from Nuts & Bolts.

>>712678168
This is so cool in the original with how much Link and the boat's colors pop, really makes the world around you feel dead or asleep. It feels like that when outside at night during winter.

>>712644824
>moogle
>witcher swords and presumably geralt
im so confused by this picture. did someone mod geralt into their final fantasy game?

>>712678527
monster hunter crossovers are a wonderful thing

>>712675642
If he's converting from HDR to SDR it'll look bad. HDR shows more colors thanks to actual hardware. SDR can't handle that range so pushing it causes colors to clip and have that vomit effect.

>>712646420
That's OG

Competency crisis.